EU Requires USB-C on All Devices & P*sses Off Apple - TLDR News
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- Опубликовано: 24 сен 2021
- This week the EU officially announced their intention to make USB-C mandatory on all mobile devices. They say that it will make things simpler for consumers & massively reduce e-waste; however, Apple takes a different view arguing it will stifle competition. So in this video, we unpack what the new EU ruling means, when it will come into force and if Apple is right.
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EU: USB-C required
Apple: alright lemme remove charging port completely
Well, all iPhones have had wireless charging for a while now
@@pswsm but an iphone without the charging port will be coming soon
Shh don't give them any ideas
Apple removes charging port for "waterproofing" reasons just like the headphone jack
EU strikes back with a cabled electricity port requirement? :)
Apple should be delighted with this considering that they're so concerned about the environment...
Nah, the only thing they are concerned is how can they dig more money from their costumer
@@dikahadipriyanto1418 customer*
Thank you. Honestly Apple is a scam at this point
@@dikahadipriyanto1418 well u are absolutely wrong Privacy and environment is their first priority and then comes us . And their products use w really good tech so yeah their cost is ok according to it
Apple was going to “cut the cord” and go full wireless.
Something tells me apple will give the EU the middle finger by making their wireless pad USB-C and completely go wireless
I love that the EU isn’t afraid to regulate tech giants, be it Apple or handing out massive fines to Google etc.
It always works. Companies like Apple don't want these changes because it will lower their profits, but if they don't they'll lose ALL the profits from the European market. They'll kick and scream, but will always fall in line to not lose their market entirely.
Yes when compared to the pathetic attempts of the US government to regulate gun control this is pretty amazing
@@Lyndalewinder you don't even own a gun. You have no idea what you're talking about.
It's a big help that these giants aren't headquartered in the EU where it would be easier for them to corrupt the system with threats of moving operations to a "friendlier" nation, like what they do in the US
I love apple and hate Europe
the fact that Apple's trying to argue that this would kill charger innovation is pretty funny considering they haven't made a single change to their charger in the past decade
No kidding we still use the little white squares
@@neilfoster9517 they’ve updated they’re power bricks. They’re bigger and charge way faster
They haven't made a significant change in their hardware or software in a long while, but people buy it year after year.
@@idontknowwhattosetthisto Thanks Redman we have them all the kids like the high power unit that came with my IPhone 11 from work. So many of those little ones still in all the drawers. Pack rats I guess Lol.
@@idontknowwhattosetthisto which wasn't their innovation in the first place.
Apple: refuses to put USB-C on iPhone
EU: "Fine, I'll do it myself"
eric cartmen ?
I actually hope they deny the EU by suggesting they’ll stop selling certain flagship products in the EU. If a user can’t get the top of the line phone in the EU, this would be a political disaster. Personally, I’m tired of the EU bullying around companies however they want - I mean seriously, a mandate on a charge cord? To demand that a company redesign their product in such a way is some serious government overreach in my opinion. The ‘no charger in box’ is as far as they ought to go here for cutting waste. And it DOES stifle future innovation as technology needs may evolve in the future. Like I said, I hope Apple reacts to this by only offering inferior non-flagship phones in this format and then citing that it’s too costly to reengineer the device for the EU.
@@sidsixseven EU is crap, but this time its a good move against Apple.
@@sidsixseven or everyone just uses androids
@@sidsixseven bruh srsly?
*Anything that stops Apple from being needlessly and maliciously obtuse, I'm all for it.*
Lightning forever
@@TinyBearTim naw fam
And deliberately.
@@TinyBearTim I use iPhone and AirPods, even considering both an iPad and Apple Watch but I’m all for usb c, keeping lightning is dumb
I've been using apple computers my whole life. And phones for years. And I COULDNT AGREE MORE! They make great devices, but gods damn them and their nonsensical proprietary cables. The old MacBook I have at the moment only has two USB 3 ports, but it also has two Thunderbolt 1 ports. The only trouble is no one makes anything with thunderbolt 1 cables anymore, and I can't even find adapters for it. So I have two useless ports, and now only one of the USBs are still working! 😡
It would literally be of more use to have SCSI ports in this thing 😂
This is great the EU is pissing everyone off, Facebook threatened to pull out their services and they had their bluff called out and apple too😂 can we keep this going😂
EU is the guy who bullies the bully. Love it!
Pissing off all the right people. Awesome.
EU should force Twitter out of EU.
@@Pyovali thats not possible, all the feminists here would cry then because they have no platform to hate on men
@@gemberss They could just move to Facebook...
The insane amount of control Apple exerts over their products and customers has always been one of the reasons why I'm just not a fan. Everything has to be proprietary AND super expensive. Need a replacement power cord for your laptop? If it's anything other than a Macbook, it'll be about $20. If it's a Macbook? $80. It's the same with all of their stupid proprietary stuff. Universal connectors and the ability to buy accessories from anyone is just better for basically everyone, except maybe the company that's been forced to give up those proprietary markups.
I hope the EU goes after printer cartridges next.
i cannot wait for them to go after print cartridges, and printers in general.
its 2022, yet these things are running like they were made within the first few years of digital printers invention.
Also K cups
@@doraspoljar697 When I had a K cup coffee machine, I use a refillable/reusable cup and bought regular coffee. It worked just fine.
I use a French Press now. Coffee is still good and the cleaning is so much easier - it all goes in the dishwasher.
@@SadisticSenpai61 I know that reusables work with some mashines but there are many mashines that accept only a specific brand ok K cups. My friends use that one. They can only buy one brand. It won't work with anything else.
@@doraspoljar697 Yikes. Yeah, that would be annoying. Is that one of those barcode ones?
Frankly, the best "solution" would be to just get a different coffee machine. I know, that's not what they probably want to hear cuz they got that machine for a reason and they probably like their machine. And that's why I put solution in quotes - cuz the only option to avoid buying K cups in that case is to just not use that machine.
if apple was so concerned about the environment, replacement parts to fix their devices would be more easily accessible
Apple doesn't make parts tho...
@@eln0n01 Well that's a hell of a roadblock, if only they had any connections with the companies who do make their parts.
Cant swap parts with the latest phone or you lose some features
@@gilou275 That's an artificial problem of dirty business practices. With some decent right-to-repair legislation we'd be able to shut that down.
@@eln0n01 nobody said they do, the problem is not making the parts accessible to those who are even more capable than apple to fix their own products.. go see some Louis Rossmann videos to understand
Imagine using innovation as an excuse when you’ve been selling the same cable since 2012.
Apple confuses „innovation“ and „proprietary“ quite a lot, as they earn another 10 billion or so with „made for IPhone (MFI)“ licenses.
It's just the lifecycle of the port, they probably had something else proprietary in mind but you can't ask people to buy new cables every year.
@@serenity5892 I’m sure they would’ve brought a new magsafe charger to the iPhone and other devices
TLDR: Apple its only innovation if we do it
@@serenity5892 I think it’ll be fine changing he cable after 11 years
I love seeing the EU go after these big corporations. And fighting on the side of the consumer. These companies have gotten too powerful.
EU has the balls and the sense to fight for us unlike everyother company or organization
I don't think it's correct to say EU is going after Apple by this. Apple has nothing to do with this idea of standard charging. EU is standardizing charging of devices because it makes sense for people and environment and it is simply the right thing to do. Apple just happens to be exploiting the situation by doing the wrong and inconsiderate thing for their profit. Nobody is going after anyone, they are simply going for the right thing to do. In fact, I believe that in the long run this standardization is even going to be good for Apple themselves.
@@UrvinisM wasn't it stated that this was a thing in 2014 where apple didn't agree, and yea majorly speaking now they are targeting apple, before it was everyone but now everyone except apple has moved there , so now it's trying to remove the loopholes and stuff that any company can exploit which is technically only apple because they where the only ones who did it
EU citizens in a nut shell…
Unelected government that has control over our lives = good
Private companies that only effect us if we buy their product = bad
cOmPANiES ToO pOweRFUL!
BUt I dONt cARE hOw pOweRfuL goVerNMenTs geT!
Apple already has their ipad pro's using usb type c, so it can't be that difficult for them to make the switch. I'm guessing they are concerned with all the third party products and all the licensing money that goes with it.
Their MacBooks too!
I worked for Apple for 13 years. Apple’s obsession with innovation is geared entirely toward confining the consumer to the Apple “ecosystem,” as they call it. They want everything they sell and stream to be exclusive, meaning constrictive, which is precisely what they used to claim that they hated about Microsoft and IBM.
Bureaucracies only care about the perpetuation of the bureaucracy.
@@badlandskid That's the reason why my Iphone XR is the first and the last Apple product I own. It's a PITA to even get a file from the PC to the phone, let alone having any compatibility with any other non-Apple devices. Screw them.
Samsung isn't any better though.
@@Reloaded2111 I wouldnt say that Samsung is perfect in this area... But they are still so much better than Apple.
For example, their watches dont only work on non Samsung phones, but on iPhones too. Same with their earbuds, fully working (with settings) on both iOS and Android. Yes, when you connect Samsung watches to Samsung phone, you get some extra features such as phone connection over internet, but that is justifiable as its not possible on unmodified Android/iOS. Same with buds, which use their own codec for extra quality while retaining good connection, but fallback to AAC on non Samsung devices. Yeah, they sometimes fuck up with things like disabling the camera when using non stock firmware on the Fold, but still - they are not actively locking people from modifying firmware like Apple does.
Oh wow id never have guessed with lots of Apple things only working with Apple, forcing you to have iTunes as the sole music handling program for them. Why people stay with a company that rather FORCE their users to only stay with them for all of their products while takeing a premium price for nothing better then what you can get inbetween samsung, Huawei etc etc.
I’m glad you got away.
I would think that the "environmentally friendly" Apple would love this new development
Money > Environment. Always.
Apple destroy regularly masses of their own pricey devices rather than recycle them.
Apple is not at all environmentally friendly. Quite the opposite.
@@poetpinch1396 That's the point lol
Apple loves to advertise itself as a eviromentaly friendly, progressive branch when it's all the opposite
They would have loved it if there were laws that forced others to pay them (making lightning the standard) but as with almost every company making them selves and their useless thick af shareholders richer is the only real aim
the same "we will kill people to keep right to repair from becoming legislation" Apple? who would have thunk it? /s
This might stifle innovation in other, smaller companies that actually try to make unique products, but for Apple this is simply forcing them into modern times
Good point,but the law has a clause where if you develop something other than USB C for your phone you are allowed to use it as long as you present the upsides over USB C or if you provide an alternarive charging method
No, you're stifling innovation.
You've hard-coded the present state of things into law.
So who is going to try to come up with a better charge port I'm the future, when there's this law literally preventing it, and creating a massive uphill battle?
This is no different than the same old socialist fallacy of forcing things to be easy in the present, then those ossified regulations preventing and disincentivizing progress. And progress is something you can't really foresee which direction it'll go or from which direction it'll come from.
@@gwho "same old socialist fallacy" - the "socialist" countries of Europe had chip and pin credit and debit cards and tap to pay a decade before it was adopted in the "💪capitalist freedom utopia" of the USA.
and like Angelo said above there is a clause to allow development and adoption of new cable standards it just has to provide an advantage or capability over USB-C.
@@gwho The law allows companies to use a different standard if there's a need for it, i hate the EU but there's nothing objectively wrong with this. Lightning is worse than USB-C, USB-C is in fact by far the best connector that exists, it does everything and does it better than the alternatives
Being someone with that box of useless bricks and cables, I’m all for a standardized ports and cables. Don’t really understand why this initiative took this long to be implemented.
I have a tub and a bag full of chargers, dongles, cords, and I don't even know what all. I thought I had backup keyboards in the tub too, but apparently I didn't. I'm still not sure what happened to my backup keyboards - I had to go hunting for them after a kitten decided my keyboard needed watering (knocked over my glass of water).
neither does anyone else who wholeheartedly believes this is a one-sided argument
@@jek__ That's cute. Apple 's white knight defending 2 trillion dollar company who doesn't care about their customers as long as they get their $$$.
Nintendo (and other companies that made handheld gaming devices) used have their own chargers as well, but their newest generation (the Switch) uses USB-C. They must be very grateful that they implemented it now.
the switch uses the USB C connector but the actual charging port itself behaves like a proprietary port. the charger that the switch comes with has a different voltage than other chargers, so anything not tailored to the switch has a chance of damaging it. i think its a bigger issue to have a common port that behaves like a proprietary one simply because of the confusion and accidental damage that can cause
@@glowner7878 switch works perfectly fine with a generic USB c PD power brick. You usually can't use your phone charger because it's power output is too low.
@@glowner7878 USB allows for a lot of different charging modes that are all digitally negotiated. Only 5V is allowed when you first plug it in.
...so it can't break stuff
most likely they saw this coming, as the video says, the commission has given plenty of time for the market to adapt. i am fairly sure its just another case of apple being too stubborn/ wanting to save a dime as long as possible
@@glowner7878 I think that was common for most phone as or devices as well you need different voltage, but usb-c is future I love the f u to apple
What an excellent idea. Now, if only ink cartridges for printers could be standardized as well.
By far the best comment on here.
Yeah
We could start a petition and once a certain number of signatures have been reached, the EU Parliament has to deal with it. No longer a problem in the internet age to get these signatures.
Why stop there? Make your computer only allowed to be based on x86 and outlaw other microprocessors. What can go wrong? Amirite? Amirite?
Printers actually sell to you at a loss, no one will buy if they put a price tag that profits. So if they can’t sell their own branded ink for a high price, they will go out of business
Imagine if a manufacturer designed a proprietary 3-prong plug for their devices to be plugged into an alternating current wall outlet. That company would be bankrupt. The fact that Apple survives on rabid customer loyalty to me is stupifying.
Or lazy customer loyalty. My first phone was an iPhone, and the only reason I still have one is the hassle of switching, plus the fact that'd I'd have to pay for my own and my parents keep buying iPhones because that don't want to learn new devices and giving me the old one.
Legacy car companies have been doing this far far longer bud
@@donsolos Yes, and eventually enough people got pissed that every state passed a lemon law. You reap what you sow.
Hrmm..well if you travel you will realize that there are so many different plugs it's not funny. I have a bag of them.
It's so ironic apple says that the mandatory USBc will stifle innovation while they didn't change their port for a decade.
Apple: “this stifles innovation!”
Also Apple: *Still uses USB 2.0*
There is a use case for USB 2.0 as it is compatible with USBC if your application does not require the higher speed though. That said, apple skips on taxes in EU through ireland so yeah, I am loving this proposal!
@@LoEMDubstep Apples new iPhones also record in ProRes, have fun transfering your 4k ProRes video files via USB 2.0
@@LoEMDubstep yes but when i buy a top of a line phone i expect to get usb 3.1 atleast not usb 2.0 also they trying to push transfering gb's wouth of video through a usb 2.0 connection its not good
@@LoEMDubstep you do know USB is backward compatible right? so if you plug a USB 3.1 phone in to a USB 2.0 PC it will still work.
@@phalanx3803 you do know that wasn't the point, right? He even said it in the message... It will surely work, but how fast would it be? I don't know about you, but I don't fancy USB 2.0 in 2021... but maybe you are ok with backwards technology.
The migthy EU did it again.
The mighty EU has a mandate from its citizens...
Good job EU ✊🇪🇺
In a good way or bad way?
Edit thx everone i was not sure
@@pawernielsbroek3971 This is a positive comment
@@guleiro i think this is a bad law, it makes it harder to innovate
@@andrecarvalho1339
You are making a valid point and I would be willing to consider it...
Apple is both right and wrong here. Yes, it could stifle innovation to a SMALL degree. After all, why create a better charger/port when you are required to use a certain type? However, Apple is notorious for locking customers in, slowing processor speeds of older devices to force upgrades, refusing to repair the repairable and pushing upgrades instead, refusing 3rd party repair options, refusing self repair options, and never providing diagrams for any sort of troubleshooting. So despite there being a sliver of truth behind what they say, the fact remains that it is painfully obvious that their purpose is not to protect innovation, but to make more money.
They’re wrong and wrong IMO, whether the statement is true or not they aren’t saying it for the right reasons so irrelevant. I’m sure EU would lift it once there is something worth switching to
Processors were only slowed down to keep older phones from shutting down due to decaying batteries. I take greater offense to Android-based phones dropping close to all support within 3 years of a phone launching.
@@Chris-sc4wk you are a good sheep. Out here blindly defending a company who doesnt give af about you past your wallet
Bro great video. Thoroughly researched and well presented - thanks
This is satisfying as an apple user. Tired of the premiums and perpetual self-service by apple. They deserve this and more
Then dont buy apple , simple
@@dopplesoddner2899 He's like a battered wife. 😂
I really don’t want to use apple, but my parents got brain washed by them and think the other phones are worse than them, then they force me to use an IPhone 6
Lol your fault fruit boy
@@mankachu100 then buy your own phone, I’ve had multiple android phones and now I absolutely hate android
Every time you piss off a big company, you know you did the right thing
so true
Facts
Not every time, in one situation you did the wrong thing.
Especially when you hurt their profits
Right... leftists often lie how they support big gov only to help people, but they admit they only enjoy bullying "companies"
it´s annoying that the date of the video is missing
As I live in Germany, the first thing that come in my mind is "it can be really helpful for the environment". Apple is really a strange company. I am using its products, but it could be a great improvement if they also follow the common best practices like this one.
its hilarious that apple claims to be "concerned about the environment" and yet the only fix when my devices break always seems to be to just throw out the old one and replace it instead
Exactly, reason why you shouldn't buy Apple
I like when companies make sure the user themselves can fix the devices they own, it's generous. Apple isn't one of them.
@@austrakaiser4793 its not generous its a common right
Much cheaper on a larger scale just give you a new one
@@BQQB5 Don't even try, they are to far gone dude, this kind of thing will just sooth their ego a little more WHILE they buy it ¬_¬.
When iPhone 12 was launched, as I remember, Apple said they’ll stop delivering charging bricks because people can use the older charging bricks and in this way we can contribute more for saving the environment.
I said, okay, good move, I’m totally okay using my charging brick from my older iPhone.
And I bought the 12 Pro Max and Apple gave me a cable with lighting port at an end and USB type C at the other end and couldn’t use any of my older charging bricks because all of them had USB type A. Then, where’s the care for environment?
you really think they care about that when little children are mining their precious metals lol k
I comes with a usb c so you can plug your iPhone into your Mac that only has usb c ports an not need a adapter. Also your old cable still works just like the brick so what’s the problem?
pff... you shuld have seen that comming ... just look what they do to their phones each year just to prevent people from fixing them... if you dont allow people to fix their own phone than that means 100% of the phone goes to waste
@@Ipodman9 Well, I’m not really all into Apple ecosystem, I don’t afford to buy a new Mac so I can charge my phone and yes now I’m using my older cable and charging brick and the new cable is lost somewhere in the house. But soon I’ll have to replace the old cable. The point is, I’ll have to choose between buying a new charging brick that goes well with the new cable lost somewhere in my house and don’t use anymore the old and still good charging brick, or buying a charging cable that fits in the old charging brick. So in a way or other, you’re forced to buy something and not really continue to use what you’re already have. I love Apple products, but don’t lie me telling me you want to encourage people using older chargers when in fact you’re masking a marketing strategy where you don’t offer free chargers anymore.
@@constantinmogos he's a sheep. He dont care about your problem. He probably dont read your comment well. He's here to defend apple at the cost of his life.
This aged well
The only thing I personally dont like is that "no charger brick included" part. I don't have any spare bricks because I throw them out when they stop working, so often I am left with charging two or more devices in turns, and not being able to do it f.e. overnight. But overall very cool initiative, thanks for sharing, you've got a new subscriber:).
Apple complaining about strict regulations is just so precious considering the rapairability of their phones.
"No but thats different"
And their stock ranking in the world...
Androids do this with a lack of software updates.
@@theduplicator3270 I got a Pixel 6 and every 2 weeks i got either security or software updates. You are taking the piss
@@lowceyn2875 prob a apple user lmao, i get updates too, not like every month or so but i dont need it as much more
Apple: We are a "environmentally friendly" company
EU: Let's standardize all chargers
Apple: No thanks, we're good
“Woah woah were not THAT environmentally friendly”
EU: Let's talk about telling you what to do, how to do it, and how to make money
Apple: No thanks, we're good
Samsung: yea, we're with Apple
Yeah but really they made me buy some cheap plug made in China polluting the air probably making some kids work (bc who tf has a usb c plug) instead of just shipping their own in the same box as the product 😂
@@x7themm basicly every new electronic product beside iphones is using usb c... who doesn't have a usb c cable at this point?!
@@johnuferbach9166 Apple users, i guess...
Amazing environmental impact idea. More ideas like this should be implemented. This includes custom watch batteries, camera batteries, flash batteries. Car batteries etc
"We remained concerned that strict regulation mandating just one type of connector stifles innovation rather than encouraging it"
What innovation? The lightning cable, which has been your only cable for roughly 7 years? Sorry but that isn't innovation. The USB-C Cable is innovation. Just look at them side by side, with apple first and USB-C second.
Data: Lightning can move data at about 480Mbps, while USB-C can move data at about 10Gbps
Charging: Lighting can charge at about 12W, vs USB-C which can charge up to 100W
Extensive Port Support: Lightning can either power or give audio data, but as far as I know, that's it. USB-C can both power and display video, as well as be used for audio. Pretty much a one size fits all for USB-C
Apple isn't about innovation. It's about profit margins and consumer control. It wants to try and corner every market it can, so it can lie to people about "innovation" without fear of consumers going to a competitor. But I'm sure everyone has heard that spiel by now. I'm just sick of their sleazy practices. Such a shame for a pretty decent OS to be so smeared and mocked by the technological lead of it's own company. I really want to try to like apple, but I can't sit there and abuse myself by paying luxury prices for hand-me-down technology.
Best thing is, Apple was a huge factor in the creation of the USB-C port. They literally made it aswell. They are just clowning, like 99.9% of companies.
Lightning can also give hotspot data through the cable btw
@@potatogamer8183 Every USB cable can do that, even a USB 2.0
Jeez, can you think ahead a little? What are we going to do when something better than USB-C comes out?
@@Nikita13337 you don’t have to worry about it, pretty sure usb c will stay for a few decades.
I'm glad that the EU is doing this, they're going to save me money and time.. and I'm not even in EU
Read up on "the Brussels effect." The idea is that a lot of EU legislation is effectively worldwide because since companies can legally have two product lines, one compliant with EU laws and one worldwide, in reality they tend to just sell the EU-compliant one worldwide as having just one line saves them money on manufacturing.
@@Posiman sounds OK to me
@@phil2544 Yeah, I like it as well...
The usbc cables are more expensive for the customer than lightning cable tho…
@@Posiman Except for the stupid car manufacturers who have the EU-compliant version with a yellow turn signal and an American version with a red turn signal for no fucking reason.
THANK YOU!
Well I am in the cell phone industry almost all my life. And one thing I can say the phones can be life saving device! Since it's used for checking blood sugar levels or calling 911 or a ambulance. Hence they MUST have a universal charger period. Just my 2 cents.
Apple saying "This stifles innovation!" while simultaniously still using the same connector for almost a decade is special.
ikr 🤣
& having consumers go through countless amounts of lightning connectors but that's none of my business
The charging port really hasn't been a place where phones really needed to innovate since micro USB standard came out, having a standardized charging port so that cables are cheap and easy to access without needing proprietary parts would be far better for consumer's.
@@garethbaus5471 Yes, but Apple wants everything to be proprietary as you know. It wants its ecosystem to be intact, that was Jobs philosophy. It's sad 'cause the product that made Apple big, the Apple 2 computer, was the exact opposite of this and it was all Wozniak idea of course.
@@nickn2794 the "apple ecosystem" really doesn't benefit consumers at all.
Everyone's celebrating in the comments and talking about how unhappy Apple is, but you know 100% that apple's going to be talking about how innovative they are when they announce that they're switching to usb c at the next keynote
true
Forget keynote man, it's full of arrogance and Lies. What’s important is that they are loosing *.*
They are going to announce portless iPhones at the next keynote. Not even a simcard slot. They will use a built in simcard which is propriatary (a common micro SIM sold by the millions but is serial number locked). Charging is done wirelessly until it is financially viable to simply have single charge iPhones
The new iPhone has a USB C connection port, the same as in our Pro iPads and Mac Pro! It's 10x faster than its predecessor! It is also more environmentally friendly, because you can now use the same cable for all your Apple devices, taking the equivalent of 250,000 cars off the road.
One of the main selling points of the iPhone 14, 100%
USBC also standardizes charging profiles and protocols. USB OTG allows a phones port to provide power TO a device. USBC adds Fast Charge and Power Delivery Protocol 1,2 and 3. Fast Charge communicates with the charger using USB signalling instead of the older CN1 through 21 that was unreliable and hit or miss because it depended on analog voltages. With the charger being able to report and negotiate voltages, PD1 to PD3 take advantage of the 5V to 25V, 2A to 5A supply voltage that can allow older USBs 5V 2A 10W (max for older chargers) to USBCs 25V 5A 125W theoretical. PD1 was OTG and/or Fast Charge 25W. But USBC PD2 can supply 5V, 9V, 12V to 24V at 2A, 3A and 5A for 15W, 25W, 45W, 65W and 100W. PD3 allows the device, phone, tablet through laptop, to both Charge as in PD2 as well as signal via the USB signal lines. Hubs that support PD3 can have connected older 5V peripherals such as mice, KB, HDMI and SDC adapters and pass the higher power back to the host device for charging. Best of all worlds. Cost per chipset? Add $0.1US. Now, USBC also has 12 pairs so even using 6 for USB 12GHz, 2 pair for power and 4 pair for HDMI 12GHz, you're hardly stifling room for innovation as only 2 pair for power and 4 pair for signaling are base requirements and the remaining 6 pairs are optional usage.
i.e. the lightning connector, which also can't be reversed, is obsolete.
My only concern is when and if that card in your phone’s charging port breaks, it’s going to be pretty expensive to fix. It’s much easier to replace the cord that to fix a phone.
Apple: "Stifles innovation" Also Apple: *uses Lightning Cable for over a decade*
That’s just, factually incorrect, it has been less than a decade.
@@kevinoneil4370 You are right it has been 9 years.
You do realise that Apple invented USB-C connection and was the first to implement it in any device, being Macbook 2015. So clearly they’re still leading in terms of innovation. The reason why they’re not using it on IPhones is simply greed, nothing else. If they wanted to do, they can very easily.
@@vshnv_c Apple did not invent the USB-C connection no, and although their macbook was one of the first device with it, it was not THE first.
And nobody said that they can't easily swap to usb-c on iPhones, everybody knows that. The comment was just stating how using lightning cable for almost a decade wasn't innovation in any case. Not that they never innovate.
@@dewkyz3750 apple did invent usb c alongside Intel and foxconn. Apple is one of the founding members of USBF after all.
I'm a bit biased as I had a (very small) part in USB standardization, but standardizing power around USB-C, and in particular, the USB-C Power Delivery standard (USB PD) is an excellent idea.
USB Power Delivery allows the device and charger to negotiate the charging voltage, going up to a maximum of 20V @ 5A, which for those people who can do math, is 100W. That's a lot of power available and is enough for the vast majority of products that use integrated circuits. It could not just power phones: it could power almost anything. For example, I own a computer monitor and a laptop that are both powered by USB-C Power Delivery.
Apple does not have your best interest at heart. They only care about lock-in and charging licensing fees to accessory manufacturers. The fact that Apple is so vocally opposed to this standardization should be proof enough that it's good for consumers.
I personally can't wait until USB-C PD ports are everywhere. Too many USB ports in places like trains, airplanes, or buses are limited to 5V @ 500mA charging power. The EU standardizing on USB-C makes it much more likely that manufacturers will to start rolling out universal high-power charging everywhere, and that can only be a good thing.
It's obvious that Apple's charger is technologically obsolete. However, Apple is not incorrect in their arguments. Port connections have been improving rapidly over the past decade, and it very likely that within the next decade or two, USB-C may even become obsolete to some new, faster and more versatile connector. Frankly, it is shortsighted to impose a legislative standardization without provisions to allow for the rapid adoption of successor technologies, especially given the pace of technological development.
Dang thanks for the info that’s interesting! 👍
@@fairlyfactual451 there is a balance to be met between standardization and innovation. There will inevitably be improvements in power connection standards, but rapidly changing power plugs benefits only the manufacturers. We've already made the (standardized) move from USB A through the mini and micro connectors, and now to USB-C. There is no reason why we can't continue that development through the USB standardization process.
@@fairlyfactual451 Those who read the proposal know it allows upgrades. Once we don't have 10 different changers with 10 different cables, it is a huge win.
Although I live in Brazil, I'm looking foward to this type of actions coming from the EU, since they usually echo in the whole world, but I'd also like to see other standardization pursuits, like the restriction to use only High Speed USB-C (most low end and some mid-end phones are still being produced using USB-C 2.0) and the broad use of USB-C to charge Notebooks as well.
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against barrel connectors, but notebooks come with such a broad range of power supplies (usually differentiated by the voltage or the plug size) that finding a new one is a difficult task. And with a new standard coming for up to 240W power delivery, it's becoming a no brainer to also adopt USB-C in all notebooks (including the gamer ones).
BTW, love your content, Not Just Bikes!!
I use a magnetic charging cable. One cable and the correct heads in the device. Also keeps the ports clean and safe from forced entries
Would like to see a 2022 update video on this issue. THanks for the video.
Apple: "Switching iPhones to USB-C will be too expensive!"
Also Apple: *has switched every other device over to USB-C*
Apple makes more iPhones than everything else combined
"But EU, my monopoly royalties!"
The reason Apple doesn’t like this is they wanna switch iPhones to wireless charging only and remove the lightning connector completely. By forcing them to use USB-C the EU is effectively banning them from doing so.
It's not forcing them to use any charging cable, it's forcing them to use USB-C if there is a charging cable.
@@Alex-cy7wg alright then
Good to see EU continues their tradition of helping people, and pissing of big tech.
Except in the long term, this really _doesn't_ help people. Can you imagine, for example, if they had decided to strictly regulate things 5 years ago? They'd have standardised on micro-USB, and we'd never have gotten the vastly superior USB-C. What improved and superior cables might have been created in the next 10 years, if not for the EU's unnecessary meddling?
And it _is_ unnecessary. Because USB-C is *already* overwhelmingly standardised upon by convention. All Android phones you can buy today use it. So do many laptops (including Apple's) and tablets (again including Apple's). So the _need_ for this regulation simply does not exist.
@@JimCullen Make sure to go protest universal wall plug sockets too buddy. They've slowed down innovation.
@@JimCullen AC electricity plugs have been standeritzed for years and now the EU has considered that USB C is good enough to be a good plug for the future, have you ever bought a hairdried and said "I hoped that I had to buy an adapter to use it" for me its not the case so I am all for that regulation
@@JimCullen You know rules don't stop innovation from happening in other countries and also don't stop the EU from changing it later right?
@@JimCullen but aren't manufacturers actively innovating within USB C, say, thunderbolt 4? It's networking speeds and ability to connect external monitors & GPUs? Micro-USB's clear inferiority is it's fragile connector and a one-sided connection. USB C is just a housing for the tech that lays inside.
Also, your point about USB C already being predominant isn't entirely true, because as mentioned in the video, not all USB C chargers are compatible with other devices, nor is it clear if they are or not.
A friend of mine recently got one of the newer iphones
It came with no wall adapter plug and a charger that went from usb-c on one end to a lighting charger on the other.
It was like cat-dog but a cable.
You cant even plug it into a laptop because hardly any of them have a usb-c outport - other than Apples expensive Macs...
I cannot find a link to the curiosity and nebula subscriber offer.
“Apple refused citing the $2 billion Cost”
Apple‘s revenue in 2020: 274.5 billion
$2 Billion is still a lot of money (even for them) But as you would already know apple seems to like to do their own thing
The 2 billion is undoubtedly the money they'd lose being unable to cheat people with licensing fees.
the actual cost of putting a usbc port in a phone instead of another port approximately.... -$0.09--- $0.10
Also Apple: Ipads get USB C, Macs have USB C and the Ipad mini got the same Chip as the Iphone but here you got the lightning Port
Slightly reworking the next generation's design and some changes to the production line is probably in the tens of millions at the scale apple is working on. Still: 2 billion is such an idiotic numer that there are only two possible conclusions - either apple is lying through their teeth or they are incompetent in regards to production. Given the quality of their products we can make an assumption about which one is true...
"if you spend money like that then you won't be the richest"
-Wario- -Tim Cook
Apple, removes headphone jack: "Have Courage".
EU, one common charger: "Right back at you".
its funny how everyone flamed that choice 5 years ago and today almost every phone has cut out the headphone jack
@@daan7056 sony boasts their headphone jack with Hi res audio instead 😎
@@daan7056 How many Bluetooth headphones where available 5 years ago? How many are available now? Besides of course everyone wants to profit more, Apple was just the first inventing this stupid way of pushing consumers to spend more.
Pretty much a f you to apple
Apple is just going to get rid of the charger completely and use the magnetic charger 🤷🏻♀️
After using that word "stifles", Meriam Webster dictionary was showing it as trending word.
I always sold my charger and cable with my phone and thankfully never totaled a device.
I don't see why this isn't a good idea. It's good for the environment, specifically targets big brands and stops them from monopolising or licensing their chargers, and pisses off one of the largest companies in the world because, well, it hurts their bottom line. Go for it!
I think you summarized it pretty well why Apple is dead against the bill.
Yeah, but hes saying its a good idea. Of course big companies don't want to let it happen, but its better for the environment and consumers
"monopolising"? You mean that if a company comes up with a good charger solution that they will not let others use it? This will not stop that fact except that if a company wants to sell another solution that is better, they can't. Unless the EU decides to change the standard. The current USB forum which decides on new standards already involves most big tech companies and not the smaller ones. So money from these huge companies will now more then ever ultimately decide what everyone has to use.
@@Ericnorify as long as one charger for all reduces excessive waste, pisses of apple and keeps our phones and devices charged, there is no real problem besides emotional attachment
@@Ericnorify With monopolizing it is mostly meant that now a company can create their own charger for their products, and essentially monopolizing that part of the charger market. It also forces 3rd party companies that would make charger to license it from said monopolizing country. Apple is a great example of this, but so is Tesla for example with their charging adapter (though in the EU they were forced to use CCS adapters).
Apple: "Mandating one connector stifles innovation."
Also Apple: "We're going to keep using the same exact lightening connector that we've been using for nearly a decade and have no intention of changing."
if Apple was innovative we’d have 2 ports and not 4 cameras
@@ninjireal Yeah but that M1 processor is pretty sweet. It beats Intel benchmarks using Intel emulation.
@@DJTI99 you’re right
No phone company has ever innovated their charge ports, it's all taken from other tech... USB C wasn't designed for phones and worked better than micro USB, so forcing them to use a specific port wouldn't change anything in their innovative ways...
@@cyraxx604 not even gonna reply, waiting for someone else
I think, that this kind of standardisation is positive/good.
Just imagine how hard could be finding "last percent emergency juice" for your device, if every known device manufacturer can have their own proprietary connector...
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I had to buy an adaptor because of their stupid cables having usb-c at both ends...didnt fit any of my existing chargers.
Apple publically: "This stifles innovation!"
Apple behind closed doors: "Fuck innovation, this lowers our possibilities to squeeze money out of everyone and everything!"
If anything it would force them to innovate more quickly to get back to previous profits again.
Theyre propably going to make it so you can only use apple’s charger
@@karjalakat6139 Haha, that's actually rather likely. I remember the time, when iPhones were annoying little divas and reject every charger, except the ones with very specific power deliveries. I am sure Apple will come up with more dick moves, so that cannot simply use qny charger and any cable, like I do it for many years with my samsung devices. Those things accept every power source!!! I even built a contraption of 9 D-cell batteries as an emergency charging device - it works! I can charge my phone 2 times with that, before the current goes so low, that the phone recognizes incoming power, but the battery display doesn't climb anymore. Such functionality is what makes a phone great to me. Using my 4 years old Samsung Galaxy Note 8 and still loving it. If I had an iPhone, I had so many less possibilities.
They are going portless in 2 years. Why develop usb c only for a single iPhone gen…. Being forced to Usbc could prevent from going portless altogether.
@@doza6262 Did they announce actual plans for going portless? Because, portless certainly is possible, but it's nothing like a standard yet. If they make their phone completely portless, it will be even more incompatible with everything, than it is already now. But then again, I believe that is what Apple wants. Retaining their eco system and that people perferably only act within that ecosystem, buying lots of Apple specific accessories. I couldn't think to use such a limited device. Like for example, when you are out and about and your phone runs dry, you can ask anybody for charging possibilities and people will have compatible chargers and cables. But with a portless iPhone? You will be pretty screwed, when your battery runs empty away from home. Apple might offer an overpriced iPhone-specific powerbank, but nobody but fanboys will get such bullshit.
Apple: "Regulating stiffles innovation"
EU: "funny joke we aint buying your 'innovative' lightning charger"
Im happy that the EU takes action against apple. Standardization for cables should be a given, its just more convienient and reduces the amount of cables a household needs
the only problem with apples defense is does it really get better than usbc? basically inconsequential to replace lightning w/ usbc its almost the same size, it wont be rocket science. imagine them advertising the pro phones but still uses usb2.0 standard loool.
Apple’s innovations coincidentally existed for a while
USB-C is a derivative of Apple’s Lightening. USB-C wouldn’t exist without it. And the USB consortium is a disaster. Just look at the mess of USB connectors. I’d rather have Apple leading. After all, Apple is the company that drove adoption of USB when PC manufacturers were still using serial connectors.
@@tonycosta3302 Everyone is the one using usb-c,only apple doesnt and even they use in on their i-pads.
Apple: "Regulation stiffles innovation!"
Also Apple: Uses the USB 2.0 Protocol from 2001 on their Lightning connectors and ports.
Huh, my 2017 or so MacBook Pro has four USB-C ports, and no Lightning or MagSafe ports, yet newer Mac have MagSafes...what the heck?
EU literally saving Europe's asses with tight antitrust, absolute Gigachads
If their lighting cable was so innovative, every single one of their devices would have been a lightning cable and not some of their devices. The prevention of consumers using other chargers by limiting them has never sat right with me either so im glad the eu is making a move to encourage the entire world to change for the better
When I came out it was significantly better than the micro usb
@@nononono4006 yes but now USB C is significantly better than lightning
Now that USB C is in the picture we don’t really need lightning. Learning about ports and cables in my PC class, there’s all kinds of cables and ports used for stuff then there’s the “just apple” category of stuff that literally no one uses except on apple products. Because making things not fit together is literally just stupid so companies don’t do it unless they have 0 shame for their cash grab, which is all apple is, a cash grab.
Also the apple chargers are the worst quality cables I have ever encountered in my lifetime
How is this a problem anyone has? Are people just desperate to use their friends charger?
@@TylerL220 yeah but that took so long to make and to become standard, lightning is actually still superior to usb c, design-wise at least, usb c will break a lot easier from standard use than lightning, due to the fact the usb c has a hole inside it and the plastic comes away from the metal shield.
They are just bitter about the money. Considering how they freaked out about having to pay taxes in Ireland, there is a pattern there.
Because if they are making money from this currently. They will now just accept less? Or just roll it into their other consumer charges?
@@danielwebb8402 we‘ll see. The problem is that the charger is not the limiting factor. If you have a Mac and Apple TV and iPhone and iPad, the Software ecosystem keeps you there. The Samsung phones are probably better, but the penalty to switch ecosystem is high. So the impact will be small. But Apple no longer drives innovation like they did 10 years ago and the charger is certainly not stopping them.
@@tobiwan001 I mean I would argue that even then apple wasn't driving innovation they were smothering it and taking credit for innovations others made by doing a slick product announcement.
Is that only in Europe ?
So is this happening?
"We remain concerned that strict regulation mandating just one type of connector stifles innovation rather than encouraging it, which in turn will harm consumers in Europe and around the world." says apple why still using USB 2 speed on their iPhones.
It's strange what they consider innovation. Like the time they tried to pass off the removal of the headphone jack as innovative. I didn't know removing features could be considered innovative, but they sure got away with it.
@@thatmarchingarrow REmoving feature is often considered innovative, note for instance the sharp decline in serial, parallel, and VGA connectors on computers. You cannot find any of those on modern computers, unless they are specialized equipment. Same for ISA and ATA connectors on motherboards, you'll be hard-pressed, today, to find a motherboard that can accommodate a 5 3/4 floppy disk reader from the 1980s, or a PATA hard drive from the 1990s.
This arguably does not apply to a phone audio jack, but Apple seems to believe that batteries last forever.
@@o0alessandro0o
I'd argue that with those, their removal wasn't the innovation but simply the effect the innovation had.
With the headphone jack, bluetooth headphones were certainly an innovation when they were first developed, but even if they had already completely or almost completely replaced wired headphones, the removal of the headphone jack itself wouldn't be an innovation, just an effect the innovation had.
And of course, bluetooth headphones at that time hadn't actually replaced wired headphones, and they still haven't (they're now coexisting side by side). So it's worse. Not only is it not an innovation, but it's something that actively makes things a little bit worse for a significant amount of users. And I think it was probably meant to be that way, to force people to buy Apple's dongles if they want to keep using their wired headphones. I know that's not the reason they gave, but I don't buy their explanation that they couldn't figure out a way to fit it in there. At the very least they could have made the phone a tiny bit bigger (so little difference that it probably wouldn't be noticeable), moved things around a little bit and leave the headphone jack in. I think they actively wanted to get rid of it.
@@thatmarchingarrow Ah, yes bluetooth headphones, forcing the use of bluetooth transmitter sucking battery power.
@@thatmarchingarrow Well, removing the headphone lead into more R&D for proper audio codecs for Bluetooth. A proper headphone with Bluetooth 5.0 with aptx is 99% as good as a normal one with headphone jack. And I know what I'm talking about. As I child (18 years ago) I got as present a wireless headphone. It had a very annoying background noise which made it useless for me. 3 years ago I tried a few wireless headphones and they still had annoying background noise. However, this year I bought an Audiotechnica SR50-BT and that noise is gone. This is all thanks to aptx. Without Apple's innovation I'm pretty sure we would still have to use the 3.5 mm jack to at least get an acceptable sound.
Eu doing it's job again. Let's GOOO
It's job of telling companies what to do. In a non monopoly industry.
@@danielwebb8402 That's the whole purpose of government. Why do you think everyone in a country uses the same electrical outlet?
@@20quid
So if a company came put with a different outlet plug. They'd not sell any products. So the market would work.
The whole purpose of a government is to tell private companies what to do? Yes in China. Or 70s Russia. Or North Korea.
Is the fact that say TVs have a common set of sizes due to governments making it so? Why aren't they forcing all laptop makers to have a single power connector? I have a draw of old chargers for laptops, like this video says for phones.
@@danielwebb8402 Standardizing is a good thing
Strange that some people believe that lowering electrical waste and consumer costs could be a bad thing.
I think a case for stifling innovation could be made since Apple would like to eventually get rid of the lightning port altogether and just have wireless charging. With this law phones in the EU would be required to have a port at a time when the industry might want to evolve and move past ports.
Knowing apple they would probably just make it a lot more expensive than normal charging wires and ports with a bunch of downsides that just make it objectively bad they've shown these practices many many many times I doubt they won't do it again
They have thunderbolt that uses usb c form factor.
'Stifling innovation' is when Apple makes it more difficult for third party manufacturers to make accessories that work with the iPhone, one example being that of charging license fees for the privilege of using Apple's proprietary connector.
This is exactly what I dont like about Apple
They should have the right to make things proprietary. As should any company.
@@lockout125 Not if it is only there to lock in consumers and about making money. This has nothing to do with innovation and I am glad Apple has to use USB-C soon.
Third party parts do not last, so I believe it is a good step that Apple took
@@alial-qasim2453 in 10 years of having an iphone, i can honestly say, none of my iphone charging cables are alive today...
EU: Wants to make it easier for the consumer and wants to get companies to standardize charging plugs with laws
Apple: Wait, that's illegal, how am I supposed to squeeze the last cent out of the consumer now?
I just wish there was an actual competitor, some one who is close to their sales, quality, etc. That's why the price is so high
@@rmbwemanplays5567 Apple is not quality, Apple is repair scam
@@MrWasGehtSieDasAn01 quality is subjective
@@rmbwemanplays5567 But it doesn't change the fact that it is a repair scam. Apple often claims that something cannot be repaired or wants so much money for it that you can get a new device right away. In the meantime, repair shops have proven again and again that Apple said shit, and are making it much cheaper. This is also the main reason why I have never bought an apple product and will not do it either. So far, I've always been satisfied with manufacturers like Samsung or Xiaomi. Xiaomi in particular is currently doing extremely well in our European market because smartphones are still selling at affordable prices. I have the 11T Pro and am more than happy with it. Even in terms of quality, it doesn't have to hide a bit.
@@MrWasGehtSieDasAn01 I stick with the earlier models of an iPhone because every time I get anything samsung the camera is shitty, the processor in the phone sucks, and I'm not a fan of the UI. I like the durability of the screen though since it's plastic and not glass, it also makes it lighter and more affordable to buy. I see the quality of the different kinds of phones, but Apple is a personal preference. I also do agree about the repair scams, I think it's a reason to not buy Apple. That's why I said i wish they had an actual competitor so they couldn't do something like this. The thing is though, since they're so big you already know they are gonna have a loyal.... uh? Fanbase? Consumers? No idea what I would call them lol but they wouldn't buy from anything Apple because they aren't Apple themselves
Could there be a problem if new features need to be added to charges?
“So Apple, what made you decide not to change to USB-C when everyone else is?”
“Money.”
Us: Stan Europe, go girl! Give us everything.
Apple: *actually makes usb-c iphones exclusively available in Europe*
A lot of Apple fans are masochists, so that tracks as a possible strategy.
Then i buy it from America
Damn i even see this as a real possibility
But apples "USB C" on the IPHONE 11 is much smaller than an average USB C
@@riftgaming6916 What? The iPhone 11 doesn't have a USB port.
I have to say that as an American, watching Apple give the typically American/pro-business line that regulation stifles innovation made me laugh out loud 😂. American companies are so spoiled by our regulators. They let them drain consumer pockets with stuff like this all the time and never expect the government to step in. Even more regulation friendly Democrats sit on their hands with stuff like this. Go EU!
Too much freedom for companies and too much control by government bodies can both be bad. I don't know which is worse, but we'd be exploited in both cases anyway so fuck 'em.
And in the present's case, we have to worry about not burning our planet since these unregulated companies are doing just that.
@@sdgdhpmbp there is a time and place for regulation. It’s not a case of regulation is good or bad it’s completely situation dependent. In this case I think it’s a big win to the consumer and to innovation
The US has one of the worst political landscapes of any western country. It seems to be controlled largely by big Corp lobbying politicians. The same issue is growing worse each year here in Australia.
They can make apple only usb type c, this is apple ffs, screw that every manufacturer can make chargers that are only compatible with their device, "big EU only wants a port"
@@daviscarl3766 your sentence structure and punctuation is horrific bro. I can hardly understand your comment... either way it doesn’t make sense from a logical standpoint. Ideally the government tries to benefit its citizens. In this case the EU has done just that. The only reason apple sticks to lightning port is pure greed. It’s bad for the environment and for innovation. There is literally no defence to keep the lighting port.
What about OnePlus? Sure same connector, but the charging tech is still proprietary
Is there still the loophole of not putting in a charging port at all for Apple question mark because I heard they rather skip a charging port at all if they are forced to use usb-c
You missed the fact that USB-C is better than lightning in pretty much every single way.
It has one big drawback. It doesn't pad the pockets of Tim Cook and Co.
It just shows how little they give a shit about the consumer this last year Mac pros repair scandals and the way it treats external repair teams. They are a horrible company and it is why I chose android
Tommie - Is this a fact backed up by research/testing or an opinion?
@@danijelandroid Testing and by design
I still hear some Apple fans saying that the Lightning is more "emotional" to plug, and "easier" for them to differentiate the male with the female. 🤣
I still remember the time when most things did not charge from USB, and as result every single electronic device had it's own (seemingly) proprietary charger. As a result of that, and as stated in the video, everybody had a junk drawer full of chargers and cables that supposedly all only worked with one specific device, e.g. that one MP3 player that you dropped down a flight of stairs 2 years ago.
Memory cards were a smaller but similar hot mess, too. Everyone made their own proprietary format then, some really hefty and impractical and certainly more akin to cartridges.
Ah the good old days of unwinding and separating before identifying which charger was still in use. Good Times, I tell you
hah, CompactFlash?
@@BerserkJeffy Yes, that would come to mind; also Sony Memory Stick
Still exists in other fields of electronics:
I have two shavers from Phillips, bought a year apart, that use different charging ports. The pins are even the same, just the plastic molding is different, it's ridiculous!
I wish they'd expand this rule to all integrated battery powered appliances.
At least most manufacturers of power tools have figured out its beneficial to have a compatible eco-system across all their tools. Now you can even swap batteries between your drill and your leaf blower.
I still have a junk drawer full of cables. Thankfully, now they’re all micro-usb and USB-C. /s
I heard this was happening like 4 years ago…
About bloody time. Took them long enough.
This is very good, especially the "you don't have to include a brick, BUT the charging method should be standard"
This means that I can buy a few 120W PD charging bricks and have them work to charge my phones and laptops for years without having to change them, even with the battery tech improving. No "we're green so no charging brick, but you still have to buy one from us because it's proprietary" BS anymore.
I feel like you missed when apple included a usb c to lightning in the box, not a lightning to lightning…
@@dillondoss2343 ...and? I do have that cable and it's the most annoying thing ever to use.
Right now I'm pretty much 100% USB-C, so traveling is pretty easy, without having to bring tens of cables for everything but one or two. At home is similar, wherever I go it's great.
Except that fucking USB-C to lightning. Do I have to charge my camera? Great, take a random cable and it works. Laptop? That works too! Powerbank? You guessed it, USB-C. Phone? USB-C. My game controller? USB-C, It's so easy! Oh, my airpods are low on battery. Where the hell did I put that stupid lightning cable? I swear it was here yesterday, where did I put it? Oh, maybe that's it- no, it's a normal USB-C cable. Oh there it is, finally. If only I could charge them with USB-C and not have to waste a bunch of time every time lol
And it wasn't just directed towards Apple. Oneplus? They use warp charge, that only works with a proprietary cable and brick. Oppo? The same. And pretty much every other phone manufacturer, except Google. They're cool.
@@FAB1150 gotcha, I guess I was more referring to your last statement where it was implied to buy the company’s power bricks, not the cables. When you can buy any power brick, and they give you the proprietary part. And I guess I just assumed apple because of the video lol
@@gkennedy0969 that's... Exactly what I said
@@FAB1150 Well, OnePlus and Oppo still use USB-C and, so you don't have to take many cables either.
OnePlus cables are the best quality I have ever seen. I used one (from OnePlus 3T) for everything for 5 years and it still works. And it was exploiting! It solves problem of being forced to buy multiple cables if one breaks: just take one and use it for everything.
It feels so good hearing that it pisses them off.
Facts Apple is like that one spoil rich kid who gets whatever he wants it’s nice once In a while seeing them get crush
As a someone who has used apple exclusively for almost thirty years... I strongly agree.
@@acraftman2823 thirty years!? do you a Macintosh or something
@@anneface180 its in the attic with three other macs really need to get rid of them honestly.
As much as I hate Apple (never own any of their products, never plan to own any of their products), what they argue is correct.
Forcing a standard will stifle innovation. Imagine if someone come up with a better charging equipment, oops sorry, no company will adopt his equipment because EU insists to put USB-C no matter what (so that any adopting company will have to put redundant charging port). Facing with that prospect will send a message, "Never research charging technology ever again".
Charging technology innovation ends with USB-C, at least in EU.
If these companies showed daily that their real concern was innovation and the good of society instead of MONEY we might listen. As things are they’re already given way too much leeway.
Is that huge microphone compensating for something?
*_"Apple saying it's gonna stall innovation"_*
Apple itself is stalling innovation of their devices for quite a few years now.
For a decade...they couldnt even engineer a good enough display...still begging to Samsung and LG..😂🤣
@@abymathew295 also dont forget that the first iPhones used samsung processors
"Innovation" they literally charge extra for features already present in other brands
@@startingbark0356 , 🤣😂 LoL. I was an apple affictionado for a long time, till i used a Oneplus 9pro for a week....Good Lord...i was living under a rock in a dark cave for this whole time...will never ever go back to an Apple in ma life..🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕
Apple is the most innovative company out there.
Every year they find new ways to rip off their customers, sell them things they don't need and old tech put in a pretty packaging that is worth 10 times less that what they're selling it for.
"But if we can't make our charger proprietary, we can't force people to keep buying new chargers made by us!"
*buys a $3 charger at the gas station* haha f you apple.
You know you can buy after market charging cables right ?
@@surronzak8154 They still have to be Apple certified or the phone won't accept it. The cable has a component for DRM checks.
I don't get it? Apple uses the same cable for 9 years but when Samsung use 3 different port types in that time thats fine?
@@rastarabbit1470 It's not fine, that's why this legislation exists to reduce the need for unique cables.
is tldr shot on a gh5?
I feel like lightning plug design is better because it doesnt get as dirty and if it gets dirty then its easily cleanable.
Corporate juggernauts use "stifles innovation" the same way they use "safety concerns" ie: "thing bad, don't ask question"
So one of the reasons behind the USB-C on All Devices is the reduction of waste caused by the different, incompatible chargers. It will be good for the environment. Sounds good to me tbh.
if you couple this with the previous no included chargers and a possible future expansion of repairability laws it makes it even better
Absolutely. And I am sure that Apple are 100% behind this because they led the way with not including chargers in the box for environmental reasons. Since they are so dedicated to this cause and it wasn't just a smokescreen, I am sure Apple are absolutely delighted that the EU has justified their decision and gone even further..... right?
One of them. The USB consortium has actually always been about standardizing peripheral connections to computing devices. It’s just that companies weren’t always complying with all of their standards and thus creating that mess of 30+ separate chargers and transfer cables until the EU stepped in. USBC is mainly about updating the standard to have more data bandwidth, extra signal paths to be compliant with video connectors like HDMI and DP, make a thinner connector, and to be able to deliver as much as 100W by using more conductors to spread the current and by allowing variable voltages up to 20V
Good for the environment you are forcing billions of apple cables to be thrown away needlessly
Yes but this is anti-capitalistic. Now you can charge your devices with any charger, so less chargers get sold.
“Stifle innovation”… Lightning port has been there since 2012
I think If they can make a better or faster cable then they should be allowed to make it and put it in their products. Are all video game consoles going to need ti use the same controller too? Sounds ridiculous.
Other than the USB consortiums terrible naming conventions, this is a really good thing. I do think it should include an every 5 year review, and an update process so we aren't stuck on the equivalent of dialup in 2040 however. (this would also take care of apples mostly bs "stifling innovation" claim at the same time)
The US: imperial system
The majority of the world: metric system
Well, the commission that goes about this already updated to USB c in 2016. So what you suggest is already being put in practice.
Often times, the EU has its eye on the ball, but is not very good at communicating.
When you think "why didn't they just.." they either did, or they didn't for good reason, but not tell you.
What do you mean? Of course it's low speed, full speed then high speed! Why would anyone by confused by USB 3 on USB A ports, or USB 1.0 C cables?
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It's hard to keep track of what they decided not to do, yes.
But imagine if media kept announcing the fact and reasoning for every decision and consideration within every single work group and deliberative meeting of the EU.
We'd be buried under an avalanche of news so insignificant nobody would listen in to hear the actual relevant part under tenthousand inconclusive votes over a revision of minor vegetable import regulations.
@@ailo8964 Don't forget Canada and UK. JJ McCullough already covered this topic
I really like that last point of simplyfing the specs of each cable. It's great to have a standard, but it should be easy to tell is a particular cable supports data transfer, quick charging, thunderbolt, usb3.0, extra monitors etc...
if it is USB3 it does all of the above.
thunderbolt is proprietary and not part of the usb consortium
I think the EU directive also forces companies to include basic information about the chargers that can be used with a device and its properties on a certain device; so I guess that would include data on things like quick charging at the very least
@@riketvs it also forces USB charging adapters to support vendor-neutral USB-PD in addition to whatever other proprietary fast charging standard they have. I have a lot of USB bricks, but most of them are 2 amp ones so nearly useless nowadays
And what's funny is that Apple created or at least helped create the Thunderbolt standard!
Charging stations in airports should have a common charger.
With regards to the 2009 chargers, I didn't even have a cell phone at all back then, but there was a ton of different cords and shit for pretty much everything, I still have a rubbermaid tub filled with a bunch of random inane cords and chargers for a bunch of nonsense.
Apple: it limits "innovation"
EU: and that sounds like a "you" problem
Apple: bruh...
“It limits innovation” - just be more innovative then
As if Apple was just about to innovate 9 years after creating the lightning port.
It does limit innovation, the inability to bundle charging bricks with phones means the manufacturer can’t give you the best charge for your phone. Lots of PD products have chargers with charging technology that allows for higher wats or faster charging.
@ArtBuffalo ask yourself a question, do you know enough about power delivery to make that statement? What watts does their phones support? Let’s go beyond Apple because this effects the Pixel more as they usually have a special brick that allows for the best charging with every phone.
@@sergiokieri3137 that "statement" has nothing to do with power delivery mate.