All Smartphones Will Soon Have Removable Batteries
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- In this video I discuss how the EU has recently passed legislation that will require smart phone manufacturers to build phones with user removeable batteries that a regular user could remove without any special tools.
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We all know that Apple is going to try to hardware lock their phones so you can only use batteries they sell for $599.99
At least the bill says they must be easily replaceable - without proprietary tools.
they tried to do this shit when the EU said that every phone has to use USB-C. They were working on proprietary software to only use fast charging with their charges even though it can be done with any cable. The EU said that wasn't allowed.
Well........they do with lcd screen they don't try ...they Will do it
"Software shall not be used to impede the replacement of a portable battery or LMT battery, or of their key components, with another compatible battery or key components." From text adopted by Parliament
It’s 80$ lol
EU made it's way from banning memes to literally uniting smartphone community by making everyone use type C outlet, and coming back to great tradition of swapping batteries
What a great character developement
Mad respect for EU FOR this because governments of our countries just being bribed by companies and they just shut of
Water proof phones are exempt from the removable battery requirement, so most flagship phones will not have removable batteries
@@samuelcalkin3516even though water proof smartphones can have removable batteries
i remember the article 13 thing but apparently it was a bit overblown by the public, that thing seems to not be directed at users or users' content but only some companies
That's a myth. And it's terrifying people believe that. It was literally a joke, that the market decided on the C port all by themselves and the EU came long after, the joke was that after 10 years EU will claim it was thanks to them, it wasn't lmao.
I love EU's new consumer friendly regulations I wish they push it harder in the future
Since the beginning they always have been doing that, but yeah there have been recent acts which the end-user immediately notices. They attempt to act in the people's best interest at least. That's not so obvious for smaller parties as governments while they should do the same. I think the large bargaining power is what makes it possible. The US could do the same but they are too ideologically attached to the wild free market and being corrupt in general.
dont get fooled by things like that. they are toxic and anti-human or rather anti-individual
@@JacobsKrąnųgHow so? Could you give examples?
@@yohok5robably something on the lines of "mU FrEeDoM tO BeaaR Ar-15"
@@yohok5 Don't expect a rational answer from someone that claims the EU is "anti-human".
Don't forget that smartphone obsolescence mainly stems from the OS not getting updates anymore and therefore missing new features (&security risks)
those missing features & "security" updates are nearly meaningless. A working system should run for years. I still have a totally outdated Windows 10 (version 1809)
It's the old environments being torn apart by the updates themselves to their components that get progressively less and less compatible with each other as you update some and leave others behind. Most phones work well when you factory reset them and abstain from updating software wothout total necessity.
most games require newer versions anymore lol@@rgerber
updates are shit mate
The EU enforced updates for at least 5 years too!
Don't forget how the removable battery and cover act as a crumple zone to relieve shock when you drop the phone. Removable battery phones rarely broke when dropping them. The energy was released by launching the cover and battery across the room. :-)
My tv remote control has this feat and it's incredible how the cover can hide behind the couch in an lapse of second. 😅
I have three old Samsung Galaxy phones with removable batteries which I've dropped more times than I can count, and nothing happened to them. So I agree.
Yes!! my first Galaxy Note was dropped from a balcony, about 8 meters on concrete. Inserted the battery, worked as always, screen perfect with no glass protector. 🖤
if somthing dosent shake it will break
I had an S2 back in the day (my only Android phone btw) and I totally remember that happening to me aswell. It was awesome
Cant wait to see how the manufacturers work around this. Probably gonna make it so putting a third-party battery in your phone murders it or something.
Pretty sure this is already illegal in EU not sure though
Is only illegal if you get caught, just like Volkswagen.
@@cazek445 They could make it more subtle. Like, limiting the maximum charge because the battery isn't "genuine". Even printers will reject third-party cartridges in today's age. Anything can be programmed to disappoint I'm afraid...
The charging cable regulation specifically prohibits throttling third-party cables and chargers, this one probably has a similar part too.
They'll probably do this but then never offer replacement batteries. "Yeah sure we'll make replaceable batteries but have fun with Xiaoing brand if it goes out."
Nothing but respect for the eu standing up to big corporations
Indeed
Lol
This isn't standing up. EU is controlled by financial services
@@JL-XrtaMayoNoCheese
Everything is controlled by money buddy.
@@youreokayboah2128
Finance, not money. Money is just a tool, like a drill or a weapon. It is the individual who operates the tool or the individuals who are operating the tool who must be examined.
These issues cannot be addressed by personifing the tool or a casual reduction fallacy.
I liked it when phones had removable batteries. It gave me a sense of control when the phone would ever act weird. Having a force stop option with a dissuading pop-up every time isn't quite the same.
Exactly! My iPhone freezed once and all I could do is to wait until the battery drained, felt really weird.
Over 100 likes? Wow
@@borisso3465it's weird, there was always a way around to restart your phone. For example, holding power button.
@@borisso3465yeah when i got my second phone i was so confused what to do if the phone stopped working (happened to my first one a _lot_ ) But thankfully my second phone is still working fine to this day and just restarts itself when there's any trouble. ✓
@@borisso3465there is a hard switch off, i genuinely thought i had to do that too but if you hold the power button long, like really, really long, it does a hard shutoff no matter how frozen it is
Lets not forget that Galaxy S5 was waterproof, but still had removable battery. Also Samsung still manufactures Xcover models with removable batteries and dirt/water proof.
Yes
Written on a xcover pro 6
So the only real reason for unremovable batteries is a lie... figures.
The S5 felt really cheap compared to other flagships like the Xperia Z3 or the iPhone 6. There was a reason they went for glass backs in the S6.
And the waterproofing is only as long as the cover is on, so if the cover pops out on impact the ip rating doesn't matter anymore.
@@LarsaXLNope government spying!🕵️♀️ 🕵️♂️ You can't remove the battery. At this point they can remotely power on your phone.
Hope this really does happen, but it feels too good to be true. I feel like there will be some loophole to make it impractical to switch batteries while still making them technically "removable"
soldered batteries lmao. its "removable", technically.
The batteries will explode after four charges and will cost 20$ each. Why? For the heckin' environment 👉👈
EU tends to go pretty hard on corporations. Not because of any heroic virtue or anything, but because they see corporations as a legitimate threat to their power.
Corporate lobby just isn't as powerful in EU as it's in US. Consumer benefits are more of a collateral coincidence than EU being actually based. They are senile bureaucrats deadly afraid of corporations taking away their power, and sometimes regular people benefit from this feud.
@@MidWitPrideCorrect, it's a weird by-product of the government wanting total control.
@@mr.zer0773I pour a gallon of diesel in a nearby creek whenever I read the word environment.
From what I heard, this also affect handheld consoles like the SteamDeck. A neat reminder that laws really can be made to help the people.
Valve likes to be consumer friendly until they have to be friendly to the consumer
@@eclipsek0 holy shit so true
Its sad that laws rarely help people these days. It is nice to see.
@@eclipsek0
I'm not exactly sure what you're implying with this comment. As far as I've seen, Valve has been very pro-consumer and pro-right-to-repair with their Steam Deck. You can buy replacement parts for it off the shelf, the board inside has an NVME slot for people who want to upgrade it with more storage space, and they even uploaded a video showing how to take it apart to swap parts.
@@eclipsek0 for the steamdeck its not that bad, because the parts arent glued in with gorilla glue, and it supports power delivery so its fine
I'm happy that EU is putting a stop to these ridiculous corporate practices that get consumers to purchase more
but i think The EU did a lot more good than bad and united Europe like never before but of course there is a lot of stuff thats far for perfect and needs improvement. But thats how politics work unfortunatly but if i look accross the world we have it far better than most of the world and the EU cares at least about its people to a certain extent and thats not the norm in most of the world sadly
I believe the primary motivator was ensuring the phone could not truly be turned off, and allow unnamed agencies to power it on remotely at will.
That is a great reason by itself!
well said!!!!
This can still happen. There’s nothing in the legislation about having a secondary low level power source for such a thing. As long as the phones main battery bank is removable. Those “always on” chips in phones are extremely low power so imagine like a tiny 250mah embedded battery JUST for powering those super low power devices. I’m highly expecting there to be strings attached to this change, so to speak.
@@acmhfmggrunot from thin air, Snowden talks about it here
ruclips.net/video/VFns39RXPrU/видео.html
8:30
@@acmhfmggru Not a theory in a world where we know governments spy on us and have multiple ways to do so. You're in denial.
they can keep it water resistant by making a battery that can be replaced like a SIM card with the SIM tray. You know, that thing you have to poke with the specific tool they give you to unlock the tray. I think that'd be pretty cool and functional
i too like this idea
Was thinking about this as well. Hell, do it with all the components connecting to a central motherboard in sandwich arrangement and you got yourself a completely modular phone
honestly best idea i've heard so far
good idea
@@pvshka fairphone
This is about data security GPS security and knowing your phone is truly off when you turn it off
"You will include the headphone jack. You will include the expandable storage. You will not lock down the bootloader to prevent the customization. And, you will not keep on adding these silly cameras to the smartphone. You will be allowed to have only 2 cameras. One on the front and one on the back."
Strongly agreed.
EXACTLY.
the EU needs to keep their grubby hands out of our pockets. this literally feels like something out of a dystopian movie.
what’s next? phones aren’t allowed to have built in web browsers? magsafe isn’t allowed to exist?
Agree but not on the camera. Having a real zoom camera with seperate lens is really good. digital zoom is not usable at all.
@@imstupidbutthis is literally just "right to repair" and "right to ownership" as for far too long and far too frequently companies have taken the "yours to use, ours to own" BS to the quite extreme (depending on the company)
If it settles you, as a european that has grown up in the EU, I highly doubt they'll prohibit built in web browsers and do away with "magsafe" (whatever that is) on the basis that it's just too much hassle to go through with, compared to hardware design and "the right to fully own"
I would rather have like 4 cameras on the back and 0 on the front, honestly. It's nice imo to have a versatile camera in your pocket that has a standard, wide lens, and zoom lens, at least. Selfie cameras are useless to me.
Great idea!!! Many/most EU regulations are mindlessly stupid, but I REALLY think this is a great idea. I also really liked when they forced the phone manufacturers to standardize chargers (10 - 15 years ago) - what a GREAT STEP FORWARD that was! Ten points for that one!
This is only for the EU though, so the rest of the world will probably get the same old phones.
@@thealexanderbond You may very well be right, but when EU required the standardized chargers, that change was made around the world - so we can at least hope.
in the name of christ, command whatever posesses this person to be cast back into the pit, amen
EU market is something that can't be ignored, because the big portion of developed country in the world are part of EU
@@entropy2002 It's called "The Brussels Effect", it's a long standing phenomenon where EU standards quickly become global standards. Not just because of the weight of the EU market itself, but because of the greater European Economic Area (which extends into North Africa, parts of Latin America and even Asia), EEA countries always align their standards with the EU.
Also...The "EU regulations are mindlessly stupid" is literally you just buying into Brexit style nationalist or regulatory propaganda. I have yet to actually see a SINGLE EU regulation that wouldn't make 100% sense as soon you scratched the surface behind the talking points a bit.
I remember back in the mid 2010's when my Samsung Galaxy S3 had a removable battery. Whenever I ran out of battery, I could swap it out with another one or even a bigger one with a larger back panel. It made the phone thicker but it was worth it.
4:37 That's the coolest thing I've aeen all year. I want one.
I used to carry one auxiliary battery for nokia c2-00. It was like a powerbank, before powerbanks were a thing.
Government should not have control over private companies. This is a slippery slope.
The #1 problem I've experienced with Android phones in the last 5 years is that the charging port gets extremely loose after a year or so. Then it becomes nearly impossible to charge unless you have the charger shoved in and in some unique position, until the charger just falls out again. The charging ports need to be fixed. There should be an option to click it in and out so it doesn't just fall out.
Same though lesser with Apple
Type C largely fixes this problem compared to Type B-micro
I usually find cleaning the lint and grime out fixes that problem. I have a samsung s8 from 2017 and it needs a clean every 6 months
@@essef. Exactly, it feels like the port is geting loose, but it's actually just a dust build up.
This is primarily caused by debris buildup in the charging port. I've found that phone cases with charging port covers tend to mitigate this.
How can it even be legal to sell phones with non-removable batteries ?!?
My prediction: the casing has a proprietary gasket that wears out if you remove the back plate more than a few times, causing damaged phone from tiny amount of water leading to replacing either the gaskets or the entire phone.
1st, more devices can take a little bit of water already. If not, then you didnt seal any of the hardware inside correctly (at the manufacturing level). 2nd, there are ways to make this happen that doesnt expose the insides to the outsides. 3rd gaskets can be solid - right now its double sided tape/glue - just make it part of the repair process.
@@adr2t methinks you missed the point a bit... the point was, engineering it to fail; not describing my brilliant and uniquely wonderful solution to an obviously not impossible problem
power banks probably will adapt and make charging the battery itself possible, letting you charge your backup while you're not using it
Man, I've still got my Redmi Note 8 Pro that I bought in 2019. It's still working fine, except for when Xiaomi decides to slow all of their old phones all of a sudden. I still don't know why not one phone reviewer has ever talked about this. It's what's definitely is making me reconsider getting another Xiaomi again.
My mother uses the 8 pro while I have the 10 pro, no issue with battery life, but there is another issue with phones nowadays, after 2 years you get bombarded with bullcrap ads to a point that it gets annoying
I got a Redmi note 10 and it got extremely slow after 2 years for some reasons. installed a custom ROM and it is fast as new.
@@netbotcl586 Mine works ok, just the damn pop up ads are annoying
Install antivirus and don't update it. Problem solved. Updates slow all the phones, unless it is brand new phone and needs some tweaks.
They slow phones because battery degrades and it is not able to efficiently supply processor demands and it is risk of overheating and maybe explosion. So you should be thankful they slow it down for you.
You Will Have the Headphone Jack, You Will have expandable storage, You Will Have User Replaceable Batteries.
And You Will Be Happy.
My perspective: I don't need removable batteries as long as manufacturer provides replacement with no profit margin or small profit margin. Companies specialised in battery replacement can replace it for you for 50$ in my country in nearly any device. Thanks to that, it will be possible to have water resistance.
During the 1970's I bought a phone for $35, and it lasted until I bought a smartphone in 2015. If the phone companies could make a profit with people buying their phones that rarely; they should be able to make a profit by selling phones that cost $500 or more today and only last five years.
Can anyone give me some advice......
Whenever I talk about user repairable devices or being able to open up a piece of technology and swap components,
Some people always comment things like:
"Do you really expect the average person to not break their phone trying to repair it themselves ?"
And
"Why should a company alter the simplicity of the products design to cater to the small amount of people who would repair it themselves ?"
My question is: How do I deal with those kinds of people ?
These people are really dangerous to the right to repair and right to own movements,
because they will convince the average person who doesn't know any better that repairing things is only for "Professionals" (Business Owners).
I love having 3 batteries to switch between on my Galaxy Xcover 6 pro
I keep mine in self-designed 3D printed cases with an indicator for charged, not charged.
Hope the US does this. The industry took a massive step back when they decided to ditch removable batteries.
Such a thing would be against US values and wouldn't fly with republicans
I miss when batteries were removable, definitely handy to for a shut down when it freezes up as to now on my Picel 7 I have to hold the power button for 30 seconds to force turn off.
We've gone full circle with removable batteries..
Fairphone is a company already doing this! I never get tired of talking about them and about how they offer a modular phone you can cheaply and accessibly fix by yourself. They also offer 5 years of warranty and they supported Fairphone 2 for over 7 years.
Haven't finished watching the video yet, so don't know if you've mentioned it
I'm surprised there aren't more comments about them. As a Fairphone 4 user I'm sitting here going "so what?"
This is going to be the printer situation all over again with companies disallowing third party ink (or batteries for this matter).
The law has rules attached to it so you cannot do such shady stuff
Oh my god. It's coming back! It's feels like forever since they glue it up.
Regarding battery banks - they are still useful. With my LG G5, I would take two batteries (one in the phone, one spare), one battery bank, and a case designed to charge the batteries outside the phone. That way I could use one battery, swap it for the other, and then have the empty one charging in my bag while I used the other. This way I would then have another full battery ready to go by the time the second one ran out. Battery banks are usually good for charging a battery three or four times, so it's better than carrying a bunch of batteries.
I love the glorious regulations of the EU. THis had been annoying me for years.
Finally I can use a phone for more than 2 years without suffering for it.
Edit: Next step would be to regulate the batteries to a standard size and voltage so almost any battery could be used for any phone. Could be a comparable system we have for many batteries already like the AA batteries.
they had "requirements for interoperability" option in proposal, but decided that it's too ambtious at the time. Maybe this gonna be next step.
I remember when we had the grand prime and the back would fall off basically every time you dropped it. Great phone, funnier features
I've been using Fairphone since the Fairphone 2, and I can confirm that I'm swapping phones more rarely (in fact, I skipped the FP3, and am now on 4). This is probably also the point of the legislation.
Also, water resistance has never been a problem.
I was also looking to get one but unfortunately I've been turned off by the fact that phonecalls are apparently very buggy.
@@fenn_fren now that you mention it, phonecalls have been buggy - I've just chalked it up to my cheapo provider :l
It will just be like it was before..many just change phones because another one looks better or just because, I have had the same phone for atleast 6 years, replacing the battery at a shop every year..its a pain.
respect on the EU for being a collective gigachad
The only way i see this being implemented is with the battery being removed from the side, kind of like the SIM Slot does.
I have mixed feelings about this. How many smartphones has the EU Government designed & marketed? How many EU ministers have ever manufactured ANY product--or even run a business for that matter? Where do they get off intervening in the phone market? On the other hand, I really do miss my old LG smartphone with the cheap, quick-change battery. It probably doesn't matter. Apple will find a way to follow the letter of the law while still defeating its intention.
I'd suggest you to replace a battery in a unibody phone a couple of times by yourself. You will change your mind QUICK. Especially when most of the time the battery you are sealing back in is not the original. The EU is obviously doing this for their hippie reasons, but in this case it's a win for most people.
Love this! It is very inconvenient to keep your phone attached to a portable battery charger and use it at the same time. I don’t think that it’ll completely remove portable battery chargers either- instead you can have 2 phone batteries + a battery charger, then when your main dies you get it charging indefinitely with you battery charger while you switch back to your main.
The utility of this is actually super huge - let’s say you’re on a hike and your phone is about to die. It is very hard to keep the phone attached to the battery charger and have it quickly available to use to take photos and videos when needed. Instead a quick swap can be done.
Really excited for this.
I am glad the EU exists to force progress for mankind and put a stop to greedy irresponsible companies. Type C was a good start. Replaceable batteries is a great leap forward. Cannot depend on the US government, they only care abt profit for their own companies.
what you call "tradeoff" is actually less impactful than you think because the reason those problems exist is that no one had to solve them, if it becomes a standard in some years we well have waterproof phones with removable batteries...
Now we need the 3.5mm jack back i hate Bluetooth
and the ir reciever
If I remember it correctly Samsung S5 has Swappable battery and water resistance. They can do it if they want to.
Less planned obsolescence is a good thing.
Damn, youtube did not recommend me this video. But what qualifies the "battery replacement"? Is it going to be simple like back in the good old days, just open, remove, insert, close or is it going to be like "you need this tool or something to do it" or "it's too dangerous so it's better to change it in our shops by an expert to avoid any risk of going out of warranty". I can't see companies giving up so easily.
I think this won't really return us to olden days of phone batteries. This will be more towards repair and servicing and that being possible by the end-user.
Bro awesome video! as always. the German imitation got me laughing cheers "uunnd, you vvill be haappy!"
I love this. I am considering getting a new phone after 5 years but only because the battery is worn and only holds for about a day now.
Android phones does have limited security updates so it could still be a way for people to still buy new ones, at least if they care about security, lol.
With the run time being a module google can update independently so apps are still being able to work, which would be a practical reason for people to get a new phone (like some Windows 7 users are only now starting to move away because Chromium no longer is supported).
The regulation doesn't mention swappable batteries, it is different than replacable.
My phone is almost 8 years old, a OnePlus 2. Even though, the battery is easy to replace, it was never necessary to do so. Although, I did change the usb C connector as it went faulty midway its life.
But during the last 3 years, the Android version that the phone have, stopped being supported by many apps. So I think is a good thing that you can replace components without having to deal whit glued components. But I do not believe that will extend the phone lives further, unfortunately.
Out of every one I know including all the various people are work with no one was complaining about not being able to change the battery on their phones. For the best part the battery would last a good amount of time and if you needed the extra everyone was happy with a power pack. People will still want to upgrade their phone every couple of years, people want new stuff, the latest stuff. Especially with phones people want better quality photographs and more memory. This is the E.U. meddling where no one had asked it to meddle which is just about all they ever did.
Law enforcement gonna hate this.
My additional regulation proposal - every phone manufacturer that is allowed to sell any phones in the EU must have at least one model of a phone available for purchase in EU which is 1. no larger than 140x50mm 2. with a screen aspect ratio no greater than 16:10 3. no heavier than 140 grams 4. has a performance in benchmarks no less than the middle point between the company's highest performing model and lowest perfroming model 5. a cost no greater than the middle point between the company's most expensive and cheapest phone.
I don't miss the sd card or removable batteries.
Sd card you can offload the data instead of hooking up to a computer. Phones now days have like a 1tb of storage 256gb is even enough unless you take a lot of 4k video or something.
Buying extra batteries for your phone can be a Benefit since you'd just have to switch. But honestly when ever I bought batteries they didn't last long. And the benefit is your phone won't open up if you drop it.
The one thing they need and I do miss is the aux back and a second usb-c connection. That way you can charge your phone and be doing something else.
I stopped at the S8+ and I love the wireless charging option still. So I just bought a huge wireless power bank that I charge my phone with exclusively since the USB C port died years ago. I want to upgrade to like an S24 Ultra next year but maybe not. I'd be thrilled if my next phone has a removable battery, but if it lacks wireless charging I'd pass until 4G networks all shut down. I don't mind replacing the battery but my next phone will be like $1999.
one thing I want more than anything is a phone that's not fucking gigantic. 6 inches should be the absolute max
The biggest thing keeping me from keeping a phone for years and years is the fact updates usually stop coming way before the phone hardware is ready to retire
That will change too.
Nowadays update causes problems than fix them.. aka green line issue after updating.😢
Meh modern phones has peaked since years ago, android 10 to current one are so similar that I don't even know why Google keeps making major releases now instead of just doing rolling releases
Remember, switching to your secondary battery is always faster than recharging.
😂 cod reference nice one
True that.
Your battery swapping skills are remarkable!
I thought about shield swapping in apex but this reference is better
Yeah back to old days, we can open and change batteries, if phone hang just open the baterry and restart. 😂😂
The main thing is that you would be able to just swap your battery after 2-3 years instead of needing to get a new phone
I'm pretty sure that removable batteries have saved someone's life at least once in the past two decades.
From the law too.
@@Thevol40k based
Saved mine a lot of times due to old samsung phones destroying batteries after a few months
@@Thevol40kMy old heroin dealer used to make me take the battery out of my phone for the first month I started buying dope from him 😂
I'm sure they've also fucked someone over as well.
Personally, I think that in the near future, all tech needs to be as flexible, modular, user serviceable, and non-proprietary as possible. If there are worldwide enforceable regulations it'll mean that manufacturers will need to up their aesthetics/ergonomics game and be as creative as possible in order to make their products unique and appealing to consumers.
tech becomes obsolete quickly, realistically very few people will repair their phone or replace their battery, just buy a new phone
@@imstupidbut maybe a decade ago, but nowadays, I wouldn't be too sure. My GPU was low-end when I bought it 4 years ago, but I only had to replace it because AMD cut software support
@@imstupidbutit becomes obsolete so quickly because they're not user serviceable
Modern electronics design is all about short term consumption. They want you to keep buying and incompatibility is one of the most effect way to force it upon you.
@@imstupidbut The only reason I, personally, would buy a new phone is if it stops working. And usually, the first thing that makes it unusable is the battery.
This needs to happen! Such a backwards step when phones went to non-removable batteries.
It will extend the life of phones by so much. No throwing away after 2 years.
Except that you won't get security updates beyond the end of life of the device.
my lgv20 was awesome i had extra removable batteries and instead of charging i would have one charged fully from a dock and just swap it in and bang you got yourself a camping trip without needing the portable batteries
@@AJ12GamerYou can just install the new OS in that case though
@@AJ12Gamerthere is no such thing as security update😂, they're just adding more and more feature to bloat the device and makes it slower to use, and makes you think you need a new phone
I miss my Asus Zenfone 4 gen 1.
As an American, I'm actually very thankful for moves like this from the EU. They affect the world globally, and aid us in addressing many of these issues with privacy practices and electronic waste disposal in the US, too.
@@edelkebaphow so? EU privacy laws is pretty extensive. An easy example would be a citizens ability to block certain Google search results that relates to them. Which is why you see at the bottom a message telling you how many results have been hidden. Another would be cookie laws.
@@edelkebap The EU has some of the best laws around data protection and privacy.
The EU is a very big and very bad organization. They do a lot of surveillance and regulate the shit out of everything. It's not good and this one thing is nothing to be thankful for in this context
@@edelkebap says the guy who works in the CIA
Don’t ever thank the EU.
Never forget that the samsung galaxy s5 released in 2014 had a removable battery and was IP67 dust/water resistant.
They still make an XCover to mil spec with a removable battery.
Not to forget the 3.5mm jack and micro sd card slot! That was a nice phone.
The back of the case of my phone (s5) was flimsy and often come off. Once it come off and my mini SD card came out too and I never found it. Lost 2 years worth of my pictures including 2 children. So very sad. These days I have auto back up to google photos just incase.
And it has an IR blaster! I still have mine. Great phone. 👍
It had a flimsy charge port cover that would snap off in most units
I hope we, the consumers, get a win. It'd be a shame if phones implement removable batteries just to have replacements blocked by DRM
I don't think we will get a win, the power imbalance between producers and us, the consumers, will always make us lose, so DRM or some other caveat it is
phone batteries already have DRM, chargers too
And OEM batts cost $700
@@concertmaster says the consumer, holding in his hands a device that 10 years ago would've been black magic.
@@MrTomyCJ at what cost
Maybe in another five years I'll be able to get a phone with a headphone jack!
I'm still pissed off about the headphone jack.
You can keep your Bluetooth, I want hard wires!
If you are not going for top of the line, something like the Galaxy A52 has 3.5 jack, NFC, FM radio, OTG, plenty RAM and storage in different models. Is posible to root it (except in the U.S.), water resistant, and there are 5G models... So, there are still some models out there with all that. I hope that we still have options in the future...
@@GYTCommnts it's a sad reality because flagships DID have 3.5mm jacks. It's not impossible, they just don't want. I can't get over that.
Not a chance they wanna keep charging us for wireless headphones for 5x the price of cheapo wired ones lol
@@GYTCommnts Why is it not possible to root them in the US?
One important privacy consideration: You can now actually, definitely disable your phone while still having it on you, even if you didn't go for one with hardware switches. If you don't want big brother to be watching, pop out the battery.
They pop in a capacitor or something for that, don't worry.
They have onboard batteries anyways.
@@fotoschopro1230 while this is true, those batteries have to run out of juice eventually. but the best way to stop big brother from watching is to not bring your phone.
@@walkingcontradiction223 A capacitor the size you can easily fit in a phone will only last it for a few seconds, possibly to dump the drive's cache.
But have a faraday cage just in case
Features removed a decade ago only coming back because manufacturers are forced to by regulation. Thank you EU. May they keep pushing in this directions including right to repair.
Right to repair
Sadly the eu word isn't law around the world. They're still the other 85% of the economy.
Gosh, and the BS reasons they gave for removing these features. The young Zoomers don't understand the glory days of bringing a spare battery on the long field trip bus ride to swap out the battery after yours ran out playing Subway Surfers.
I think apple astroturfed it out of the market. I remember a mocking point for android was "the battery will fall out" or similar. Funny enough it's incredibly useful to be able to remove them.
@@TheSpecialJ11 Amusingly they would mock you for having a phone that has a removable battery.
I used to carry around a stack of 5 batteries in a little plastic case, very similar to those 3DS cartridge cases.
Driving through outback Australia without spare batteries was and still is tantamount to suicide.
Don't most roads in the outback have no reception though... unless you're talking about a satellite phone?
@@Curiefeld it's getting pretty good up the middle, there are still times you go for hours without reception
cant you use a solar panel or thermal generator?
@@coler154You can but would you rather be out there for 6 hours if your car breaks down waiting for the solar battery to charge
@@aussiegruber86theres sections on the bruce and peak downs highway that are deadzones for 60%+ of the journey. I swear they are getting worse
I'm not european and I def don't live anywhere even close to europe, but still I'm so proud of the EU's latest decisions...first, they make it legally difficult for big data vultures like Meta/Facebook to breach your privacy, now they make the tech market healthier for the consumer. Congrats from Brazil, EU!!
no hate but us europeans are scared of brasil
Yeahr .. but now meta has blocked their threads (twitter like) app in europe because of privacy laws. Lots of sites of american newspapers cant be reached from europe because of european laws. What if phone makers say we are not going to export anymore to europe. Like apple needs to add a usb port and removeable battery. And each time i come on a new website i need to click some cookie popups away because of european laws. Also if they cant target ads on people anymore on youtube they might have to show 3 times the number of ads to make the same amount of money to be able to pay for harddisks and servers to store video. Often the people who make these laws seem to be clueless about the subject like with the cookie law, they should have asked do you want to be tracked instead of do you want cookies, as cookies are usefull for things like preferred language or currency. And with the usb port on phones .. they call it a charge port. But on iphone it is really a docking port, as with it you can also connect the phone to a dock with speakers or video and other things. Maybe they should have said a phone needs a usb port OR a wireless charging option .. the coils all phones have in the back now. Which might also make it easier to charge in public places.
@@apsdev What? Manufacturers wont leave the EU because of laws like this or most others. They would lose a substantial chunk of the market if they did. What are you going on about?
@@apsdev I don't know what you're saying, but the EU is the largest importer of apple products and Samsung phones. The goal is not completely focused on the convenience of the consumer or the companies to stop selling their products in Europe but to stop the monopoly, they ensure that the market no longer differs and evolves. The EU wants to stimulate competition and that is only possible if other companies can participate, which will lead to more innovation.
@@cesruhf2605unless youre portuguese
EU: "YOU WILL HAVE REMOVABLE BATTERIES, YOU WILL HAVE USB-C AS A STANDARD, YOU WILL LET PEOPLE FIX YOUR PHONE."
Yea! Big government is awesome! Let’s give central powers more power!
@@FoxWolfWorldnah
And you vill be happy
@@lv1543 no
@@FoxWolfWorldThese poor mega companies can’t screw over their customers oh no what will we do now
10:20 funny how your EU speaks in an German accent
I actually had an old phone that became unusable due to the screen display dying, and I got the same model afterwards. The old one became a glorified charging dock for batteries, and that was perfectly fine by me! 😅
That's pretty cool actually
another reason why removable batteries makes it so there is less ewaste
@@bruhmoment2312 no bruh. you need portable all-around-powerbank to save waste. removable batteries wont do what you are expecting. #capacitor #capacitance #enoughEnergyToSendAndReceiveSignalsForDaysWithoutBattery
@@meikamandoliiniyes just make another hugeass powerbank for your demand instead to reuse whatever you had before without introducing more batteries
@@meikamandoliini since you didn't bother thinking about your response to my comment, I'll do the same ;)
as a american i think i am going to start lobying the eu to make more regulations, so that in the us there will be more pro user features
Your voice doesn't matter to the EU as an "American". You should spend your time lobbying your own government for change, like every "American" should.
@@bigsmoke4568 Americans in the 50s used to make things like transformers, fridges were you can replace everything, cars, radios, etc. All changed in the 60s when the elite took control of that country killing the president
It's a shame the EU is probably giving the U.S. more freedom than the U.S. right now.
As a latin american I will have to suck it up and see how phones become even less affordable. Thanks regulators of the first world!
@@bigsmoke4568 if you want change you should support the companies who go in the direction you want, not go to the government so that they, at the expense of people who might disagree, force everyone to agree with you. That is the easy and immoral way to solve problems, and that mentality will fire back sooner or later.
You forgot one important thing: you can be sure your phone it's off when you remove the battery. Also by the battery not being connected to the pins it doesn't drain at all compared to the phone when it's off, for emergency situations
i didn't knew u can't remove batteries on some phones, lol. i would use those only if they were gifted,i would never pay for such things, lol. wonder how companies scammed ppl to pay for that
@@todaybuycheapsellhigh8072I mean....you could just recharge them with batteries charges or just charge your phone > swap batteries > charge again to always have a reserve batterie
thats what i did @@MelVridos
Nope. They can be fully active without a battery but appear inactive.
@@essef.That makes no sense, you cant power the motherboard without DC power, from the battery. With no battery, the board isnt powered so what are you referring to, a hidden battery?
Small power banks aren't going anywhere unless all smartphone batteries are standardized. If you have multiple battery powered devices, it's much more convenient to have one charging bank for everything rather than carry 5 different batteries for each device.
but the point of having removable batteries is to extend the phone's life since batteries are usually the first thing to die in an electronic.
THIS! Huge oversight on the part of the video author there.
Or the powerbank is also used for other devices like my old 3DS.
Dude. That end. 😂. What did you smoke?
charge for time or swap in no time, what is better
Another pro of having a removable back is that it makes the phone less prone to breaking when dropped. The back case popping off when your phone hits the ground disperses alot of energy and reduces the impact on your screen.
yup.... i fully believe that is the case
@@kainhallhaha idk if the joke was intentional or not but either way it made me smile :)
Problem is the worst thing isn't your screen getting damaged, it's the interior workings getting broken that really screws you over, ain't no way that doesn't stop it from slowing down
@@kainhall ;)
No bro, technology can change over time. Last thing I want is more red tape from the govt when it's not strictly necessary.
The battery thing was getting quite wasteful, but 9mm jack is not like a fundamental aspect of audio reproduction
With regards to water resistance, the Samsung Galaxy S5 had a removable battery, whilst still having an IP67 water resistance rating. It's likely that there won't need to be a trade-off, unless manufacturers purposefully want to make their phones more brittle to regain their lost sales revenue.
Unlike IP68 phones, the S5 is water resistant, not waterproof. Try googling "The truth about the Galaxy S5 IP67 Water Resistant Certification"
@@chumanho IP68 phones are not waterproof either. Yes they can stay underwater for some time but certainly not forever. Waterproof means forever so they are still only water resistant.
@@dayko. I doubt any people need their phones to be able to be immersed in water forever, it's just that IP68 phones can be immersed in a greater depth for a longer period of time than IP67 phones.
Nobody should be scubadiving with their phone. Obviously your phone shouldn't get damaged by exposure to water droplets like when it rains. Maybe if people drop their phones in a lake by accident, it would be nice if they could retrieve them without damage in ~15min or smth. But tbh I would take removable battery over submerged water-resistance anyday. Never dropped my phone in a lake and never will.
@@Anton-rr9kw I live on an island and have to take a ferry every time I need to go to the city. Shipwrecks have happened before, and I definitely want my phone to function when I need it the most. Replaceable battery, to me OTOH, is not a life and death situation.
There were water resistant phones with removable batteries. Samsung made those sturdy series with button keypads. There were also commercial aimed phones that had removable batteries and water/dust proofing
No phone is really waterproof, because if your phone goes into the water, the phone company will never accept to take it as warranty case 😢
@@farounaga6931 It doesnt matter, practical aspect of it matters. So accidental drop into water briefly doesnt ruin it.
my old androids all survived accidentally leaving them out in the rain for hours without any IPS rating.
@@Kacpa2 it actually does, don't forget that your phone has holes in it, so if you do not bring your phone directly to someone who can open it to remove water from the inside, sone of your conponents has a chance do be oxydated after
This is true, but let's be honest, the water resistance sucked on the S5 which was the only Samsung phone that had a removable battery and water resistance. It is undeniable that the water resistance is better with glued phones.
I think this may actually help the battery bank market. They'll probably begin making replacement rear cases with extended battery life. Of course, Apple and Samsung will probably just move the battery to behind the screen.
Or power banks for the replacement batteries. So whenever you change the batteries, you put the older one in a power bank slot that charges it.
The battery is already behind the screen in Apple devices. Through the display is the only entrance.
behind the screen??
....are the batteries not already behind the screen?
Yes the batteries are already behind the screen, but they aren't removable. On devices with removable batteries, typically the back cover comes off to expose the battery. Why? It's the least cost and lowest risk to have an untrained consumer replace a battery. If they break the back cover they can use tape to hold it in. However, if a consumer replaceable battery is located in a way where the consumer must remove remove the screen to replace a battery, this would be a dream for big tech because now they'll sell tons of screens from people breaking them all the time.
As an XCover user, I can confirm that having a removable battery while still passing military standards and IP68 works perfectly fine!
As someone who had an Xcover, that phone was based on the hardware department
IP68? that's pretty sweet, never heard of the Xcover - do they ship in Europe? And their origin?
@@sandwich5344 Samsung Galaxy XCover, and they're available here! (I'm German)
XCover Owner here :P
yeah, walmart uses an XCover pro as their employee work phone, i was surprised when i saw it had a removable back
Still rocking a Galaxy J7 prime with a removable battery,expandable storage and a 3.5mm jack. 2016 was crazy.
Im still using this as well. What reason is there to change unless i wanted to game on the phone (i dont)?
Didnt even know android doesnt have swappable batteries anymore. If not 3.5mm does that mean you must use wireless buds in modern phones?
@@greenfroggood2392 Either that or you buy a doggle for it which means you can't charge the device at the same time.
Exactly, i still have my iphone X, and don't really plan to change or buy new phone, i don't even play on my phone, it's all PC or Nothing at all
me too! Android 8.1 Oreo is very stable, I think this phone might last 2 years. Or more, but battery seems a struggle. I'll replace it, maybe.
For the very few that have never seen a waterproof watch before that has replaceable batteries, or any older phone that had water resistance. The way you can ensure water resistance is kept was adding a rubber ring around the edges of the back that kept the insides airtight after the back was snapped /screwed on back and it was wonderful.
I used to have a low range Motorola that had both a removable battery AND water resistance.
You can also quickly remove your battery and let it dry if it gets wet
I used to have a Samsung Galaxy Xcover 4 with a detachable back and battery, it just had a rubber ring on the back plate around the battery and it is still IP67 water resistant
@@dbro1205 I think even IP68, not that sure though, but the newer ones (XCover Pro (5th) and XCover Pro 6) both have IP68 and you can still open the back!
@@Stridsvagn69420 nice
My first smartphone was a Samsung Galaxy Mini back in 2013, during my last year of high school. The screen broke after a couple of months, so my dad bought me another Samsung Galaxy Mini. Now I had two batteries. One charge didn't last a day, so I started swapping batteries. I used the broken phone to charge the spare battery, so I didn't even need to charge the good phone. I felt like a tech genius. Last week I was with one of my former school mates and he talked about how I used to swap batteries. They still remember.
I used a Positivo cellphone (cheap Brazilian phone maker) it was my first phone that me and my brother got, the charger port in mine broke because it fell on a toothpick (don't ask me how, I got no idea) and we had to use my old grandma's Android KitKat phone to switch batteries (keep in mind that this was 2016, my family went from Android KitKat to Android 7 very slowly)
I got a dedicated external battery charger and 2 extra batteries for my galaxy s3 back in the day. If you were very quick you could swap the batteries out without the phone turning off.
Very rarely did I have to plug the actual phone in
Headphone jack needs to be next, it's actually ridiculous that you have to pay more for features that were free on older phones. Apple's greed knows no bounds.
the way we produce things is based on greed, sadly
Or 2x USB-C ports instead? Could make for interesting new feature range such as dual batteries.
@@connoisseurofcookies2047 Lenovo gaming phone enters the chat
Removable headphone jacks?
Well it's not really needed anymore considering how cheap the wireless headphones have become
I loved the Xiaomi Mi 2 phone. Came with a 3000 mAh battery but had a replacement shell that allowed putting in a 5500 mAh one. Used the small one for every day use and the big one for traveling.
Both versions even came with a fitting protective silicone bumber.
You know the CCP be looking at your PP on that ho, bro.
disply 1080p max in 2013 to 1440p nax in 2014, 2160p max in 2016 still 2160p max only in sony Xperia phone
You know that xiaomi is from China right? They love to have your data
@@bigblockman11Xiaomi is a name that screams Chinese.
@@bigblockman11imagine being silly enough to think that China having your data is somehow different and more nefarious than Korea or Cupertino, California having your data. I mean, all that info is for sale. If China wanted it, they’d simply pay Google and Apple and Samsung for it.
What a dork
My previous phone was a Samsung Galaxy J3 Prime. Having a replaceable battery was one of the main reasons I bought it. When my phone started having performance issues due to the battery dying, it was $25 for a new battery, and everything worked as intended. It was awesome!
Fr man
Why did you buy a new one then?
@@infinitieunique The hardware was extremely outdated. I couldn't update most of my apps as they were no longer supported on Android 7. Upgrading Android to a newer version wasn't possible due to the hardware limitations. Plus, I started to run into storage issues as that phone only had 10 GB internal storage. It was finally time for a new phone, albeit without an easily replaceable battery or headphone jack :(
@@tenhundredkills what do you mean by "not supported"? You can still use an old version like you used to when it was 2010 outside
@@infinitieunique "No longer supported" as in apps were no longer going to be receiving security and/or perfomance updates. Some apps flat-out broke (like MS Teams). Some of the apps I needed for work, so I didn't have much of a choice but to upgrade to a newer phone.
As the EU mandates this very useful policy I hope they also establish a framework for standardization of all batteries, so that the batteries from different phones can be interchangeable.
Edit: After taking into consideration many of the replies here's my reformulated proposal:
1. INCENTIVIZE standardization rather than forcing it, so that companies can either manufacture common products with standardized battery and receive a small tax-cut for it OR produce state-of-the-art high end devices with custom made batteries, but in that case pay higher taxes.
2. OBVIOUSLY with standardization I meant standardized per category (based on capacity/application) i.e. all 4000 mAh batteries would be interchangeable among each other BUT not with 4500 mAh batteries, as those would obviously be bigger in size and would instead be interchangeable among other 4500 mAh batteries. I thought it was clear enough but apparently it's not 😅🤦🏽♂️
Do let me know what you think about this and what else would you add, although I'm no policymaker, just an ordinary EU citizen (Italian)😅😂
Yes that is absolutely too much
Space is so tight in a phone that the battery has to be exactly the right size to fill the space to maximize life while minimising the size of the phone. Standardisation would be great but seems very unlikely.
Dream on 🙄
Its wild. If you bought a car and they said the batrery wasnt changable you probably wouldnt buy it
Bad idea.
At least SOMEBODY'S government is standing up for them. Maybe we can have that some day here in the US...
To be fair, the battery is not required to be quick to be remove. It can still require a screwdriver or any other tools. The key point here is that it has to be a very common screw driver or the tool has to be included when the device is sold. Which is an amazing idea. Oh, and no damn glued in screens and shit.
I'll take that any day over having glued in batteries which are a pain in the ass to remove.
(Work at a phone repair place and have had colleagues set batteries on fire when removing them. Happened once in my 2 years)
Repair places go bakrupt
@@russianyoutube good.
Rip water resistance
Imagine if the EU made the headphone jack mandatory on phones
That would be my dream
Try wireless and u will never go back , but be careful not to lost them around your house 😉
@@Belojadransky13
I have tried wireless earbuds before and I liked them.
But I hated having to charge them constantly, the connection issues i'd have from time to time, not to mention the constant anxiety about their batteries dying on the best part of the song.
I went back to wired buds after almost two years and never looked back, I can tolerate untangling the rats nest if it means one less thing with batteries to charge.
@@TheAutisticOwl With around 5-10 hours of battery life, you should not worry about the battery
@@TheAutisticOwlget some quality ones. Cheap wish buds wont make you happy.
Good one have no connectivity issues and battery lasts about 5h.
I just take mine out and they instantly connect to my phone and or tablet
wired earbuds can provide way better sound for just the fraction of the cost of wireless buds
especially if you invest in a decent pair of $20 IEMs
Honestly the worst thing to be killed off is expandable storage. I can deal with changing my battery every year or two.
Agreed. My Galaxy Note 20 is my last Samsung phone because of that.
Some new tablets have expandable storage still at least.
Get a Pixel
@@justayoutuber1906 They don't have it, Motorola still offers expandable storage
I won't buy a phone without it.. That and an aux jack. Expandable storage is an absolute must, at least for me.