Dragonglass VS Valyrian Steel (Game of Thrones)
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
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Dargonglass VS Valyrian Steel Swords from Game of Thrones
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"these blades are going to play a far larger role" hahahaha the new season makes me sad
they couldn't have made it worse even if they tried... this is an abomination, i can't wait for the books....
I NEED winds of winter
@Bogdy Yo makes*
They really nuked that series... such a disappointment. Just hope the Duncan the Tall and Egg series is closer to the actual novela.
bran can make them, he knows everything
Knowing how to do it and having the ability to do it are different.
@@tsuzuran_00 I know the sarcasm is hard to detect but here I wanna clarify it is sarcastic the same way you just explained
Omg huge plothole
He sees everything not knows everything
mikeverything it seems like a huge deal in a real life scenario, he could have looked at the process enough times to try and learn how to make it
Turns out they didn't need either. Not a single white walker fought anyone during the whole episode.
I’ve been convinced from the start of the series that it’s simply Obsidian and steel. It’s impossible to forge by any normal means even in our world. Because Obsidian is so brittle and fragile, yet it’s sharper than any sword.
With Dragonfire and blood magic they’ve been able to combine them into a sword that never loses its edge and has the properties that only dragon glass (Obsidian) has that can kill the Whitewalkers.
I wonder if Valerian steel is called "dragon steel" because it is made using obsidian as a carbon additive like modern day crucible steel uses.
Would explain why it kills white walkers and their wights
Well Valyrian steel is like the real world Damascus steel. Damascus steel has been known to have carbon additives (wood biomass) that created carbon nanotubes in the steel. Both share similarities in their sharpness and durability, and also in appearance and the fact that each one's original process for creation is unknown.
Although if they really wanted to know how it was forged to see if they can create more, surely they can just consult Bran.
Yes i know that's why i thought the carbon additive could be Dragonglass/Obsidian because it is also called Dragon Steel.
Good point, i can see Bran going all white eyed and telling Gendry in the new season.
7 more months....pfff takes way too long.
That’s what I believe as well, it makes too much sense, especially since by any real world means it’s impossible to achieve. But they made Valyrian steel with magic.
I thought maybe it would be made using dragon glass and tempered using dragon fire
Probably because there's no carbon in obsidian: sites.google.com/site/agatemineral/chemical-formula
Why did Ned even bring Ice with him
Desmond Jefferson because if he were to sentence anyone to death he wanted to do it himself “ the man who passes the sentence must swing the sword”
Nintendo Ninja turtle I never thought of that that’s honestly the best answer I’ve ever gotten on the subject thank you
Desmond Jefferson np
Desmond Jefferson an example of this was when Ned went to execute lady in the books he used ice
Desmond Jefferson yea
I think if anyone gets heartsbane it will be jorah mormont in the show, they've already created the dialogue between the two giving jorah the greyscale plot. Hound deserves one but who knows if he will actually get his hand on one.
AJ Huyck ding ding ding
@@richardknab4203 we haaaave a winner
Very good!
bravo
And hesssss dead
I’ve always thought Dragonglass was so important in this series is because in the books they refer to it as frozen fire occasionally. It’s a physical representation of Ice and Fire.
Valyrian Steel is based on a real thing, Damascus Steel, there is books from the middle ages that talk about the legendary blades forged on the city of Damascus, they were described as having a watery pattern, and being harder and lighter than normal steel, the book said that they were so sharp that if u dropped a hair on that blade it would split in half, after the city of damascus was sacked and burned, the knowledge of how to make those blades were lost, nowadays some people are able to do blades that look like the description with modern machinery, but they dont have the almost magical qualities described on the testimonies of middle age people who wrote about the original blades, they were probably exaggerated but its an interesting story anyways
Nice story bro...love history
Actually, most Damascus blades were forged outside of Damascus. But Damascus was the closest, and arguably biggest, trading city nearby. Smiths from around the area would bring the Wootz blades to Damascus for trade, and so they got named after where they were most commonly sold. Though the knowledge of how they were made was lost around the 18th-19th century. Modern attempts have been made to recreate it, and many believe that the late Al Pendray might have finally rediscovered how it was originally created. You can learn more about it in Mike Loades documentary on youtube, The Secrets of Wootz Damascus Steel.
TL;DR Wootz-Damascus was sold in the City of Damascus. The Secret of Wootz Damascus Steel is a must watch on how it was probably made.
Nice dude
@@GallopingWalrus there are two types of Damascus steel. One is just a decorative steel of middling quality and was often used in old shot guns (hence why a lot of modern shotgun ammo says to not be used in damascus steel shotguns because the barrel would shatter potentially injuring or killing the user as well as bystanders), the second is the actual damascus steel which can be made today by an increasing number of knife and sword makers. the way to make the steel is the same used for many other steel swords. the real secret was the particular ore which has certain properties and the addition of biomatter.
@@toomanyaccounts The steel commonly Damascus, which is actually just pattern-welded steel, doesn't have to be low-quality. Plenty of great blades have been made from pattern welded steel.
It's just most are silly attempts at recreating the look of Wootz-Damascus.
Only 3 different people have managed to consistently recreate true Wootz-Damascus. Two of those being the Late Al Pendray, his apprentice, and a Jordanian Smith whose name eludes me. Some people have managed to accidentally recreate what looks like wootz, but aren't ready to destroy their sample to get it tested.
Blessing us with so many contents mate! Appreciate it! As a non-books reader, I could see the common warrior on the battlefield being armed with dragon glass arrow as it is really fragile and could only be used once or so. Even the wildlings with spears or daggers of sorts.
That's a really good point, the Romans used throwing spears that bent the tips on impact so the enemies wouldn't be able to throw it back.
Would be smart to use arrows and spears made of Dragon glass.
FraJa1980 I didn't know that! This is exactly what I meant! I hope we'll see that because I can't see how else they'll make do of those thousands of dead living.
Yup, I'd love the Hound to get Heartsbane.
didnt get it yet, Jorah got it
Jorahs deed
Enni Assi yeah but he dead now
@@SeriouslyYavi I know but I didnt want to spoil it for anyone
Fair enough, sad to see a good character go.
Welp, looks like D&D overlooked every single detail about valerian steel and dragon glass apart from "They can kill wights and whitewalkers"
Yeah in the books it’s a dark steel with red ripples and it’s not just sharp it’s really sharp enough to cut through plate and mail like nothing
Not really. The very clip from the show in this vid mentions one of its properties - the fact that its sharper than normal steel.
Imagine how rich the Lords of Dragonstone could’ve been if they were to mine it
How are there comments from like 8 months ago
Xbear Moo because the video is 8 months old?...
Saia Sailo jewelry, weapons, it was unique and only on Dragonstone so they could sell it for high prices, it can even be like the designated weapon of House Targaryen because of its name
@@luke_5187 It is brittle, weak and the Targaryen dynasty possessed two ancestral Valyrian steel swords, Blackfyre and Dark Sister.
@@realdaggerman105 diamonds are worthless, it’s all about supplies and demand, they can release a small amount of it and control the economy for it like the diamond mines of Africa do
If just to reforge valyrian steel, you need to introduce a blood sacrifice, what kind of blood magic you need to forge it?
So, current positions in the books (DwD):
Long Claw: Castle Black - Jon Snow
Brightroar: Valyria - lost
Heartsbane: Maidenpool - Randyll Tarly
Oathkeeper: Pennytree near Raventree Hall - Brienne of Tarth
Widow's Wail: either in King's Landing or with Jamie Lannister in Pennytree
Blackfyre: Griffin's Roost, Golden Company - ?Young Griff/Aegon? (Not confirmed, but likely)
Dark Sister: location unknown - last known wielder: Bloodraven, so maybe at or beyond the wall
Dawn: probably Starfall, no current wielder
Bartimaeus of Uruk darkstar has taken dawn. Also there is a valyrian sword called red rain in the iron islands (Hilmar Drumm wields it) and also Lyn Corbray has the sword called Lady Forlorne in Heart's Home in the Vale
Lady forlorn isn’t called Valyrian steel it’s one of the only swords referred to as dragon steel
D. O It's probably the same thing though( Sam and Jon discuss it in "a Feast for Crows"). Also there is a Dothraki sellsword ib Essos with the Winblown company that wields a nameless valyrian steel arak. Nice observation though!!
Γιαννης Μπουγιος yeah I always assumed it was forged before the time of Valyria maybe by earlier valyrians and maybe it was the original ice as it is mention I think Theon stark lost his sword when fighting the andals and iron born that’s just a theory though
D. O i dont think so since Corbrays are not a very ancient house. To be honest i would prefer to see in the show Tormunds dragonglass axe than any of these swords
Seeing as widows wail is up for grabs and a key assest in the great war...who do you think would be the one to wield it in battle. Jon has longclaw, Arya has cats paw, Brienne has oathkeeper. Sam has heartsbane (which he's obviously not going to use)
I have a feeling the show is going to pretend it never existed
whycreate unfortunately I agree. Which is a shame seeing the significance of where it came from and it's importance.... I always had a image in my head of Jamie sneaking off with it before riding north. But we'll probably never see it again
whycreate Jamie had widows wail when he killed olenna an they talk about it before she dies, so he had it during the spoils of war battle so I'm sure he still has it
You're right! I completely forgot about that
ERV (y) completely slipped my mind. Let's just hope he didn't forget to take it north with him 😉
I wished widow vail was used to kill Joffrey. That would be ironic.
Wail***********
his widow wouldn't wail though
Joffrey's death was anyway ironic because a widow killed him which made another widow wail!!
@Saia Sailo rude pos
Can someone like melt it down and reforged it into another blade? Preferably one for the Starks? And give it another name like I don't know.... White Dread? Winter's Call?
Thank you for this video man I truly appreciate your channel as a non book reader because your videos help a lot!!
My uncle in Poland can make valyrian steel
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How many Polocks does it take to make a valerian steel blade?
you mean how many Poles? only my uncle...
Two. One sacrifices himself, the second one makes the sword.
Bolesław Śmiałousty I was gonna say 3
Reforge ice and give it to the hound to use. Big guy big sword
Last Spartan Did you even watch the video? Ice was reforged by Tywin in Season 2.
@@puernatura8998 he meant reforce other val swords to become Ice again.
I needed this
Could you do a in-depth look on certain battles ? Like the cause, ppl involved , how many died , and what happened because of it? I’m not trying to force this idea just putting it out there
Yea you could say that the valerian steel plays a part in the final season cough cough episode 3
JON SHOULD HAVE KILLED HIM!!!!!!
@Saia Sailo tf are you talking about Arya literally kills the Night King with a Valerian steel dagger.
@Saia Sailo Arya's dagger is made of valerian steel
Kapboom _ and dragon glass with the handle
arya having the valerian steel was coincidence. She could have killed the moron without it. She's superman
Thanks most common(and best) weapon for the average infantryman is the spear not the sword. Dragon glass will serve just fine as a spear tip. Next most important are Calvalry and it'll work for Lance tips ok (they are
different, wider and rounder) then the
archers and it'll be just fine there too.
I dont think it'll be a problem outside the white walkers themselves and there's enough valerian steel to cover the dozen or so of them.
If bran knows everything then he knows the original methods used to make Valyrian steel
Theory:...Valyrian steal is steal forged with dragon glass...valyria was built close to a chain of volcanos named “14 fires” so they had a lot of obsidian to play with..dragon glass naturally destroys white walkers since it’s (frozen fire)..I believe Jon will find this out next season
"Dragonglass" is literally the sharpest thing you'll find EVER.. It just more brittle.
I really love your channel. Thanks for this video :)
Don't the Maester's earn a chain link made of Valerian steel? If so where are they coming up with it?
it could be awesome if the show had explore the ways to forge dragon glass to make it durable and maybe with dragon fire they can use it to make weapons with them that can be strongers against the White Walkers
You should do a video about Victarion Greyjoy! I'm sad they never included him in the show
can you please do a video that deals with the history of the figuring out of Val. Steel please?
I always think it's a titanium alloy
I love you and your vids!
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Great video mate
Thanks Darryl
No problem
We saw Dawn in the flashback with Edd and his sister giving birth to Jon. I think it’s in the crypts of Winterfell. I believe we will see it again in S8, maybe the Hound will use it to protect Sansa?
The Hound with Ice if it wasn't smelted down oooh man the carnage
Best Channel Ever!!
I have a theory that Valyrian is a magical alloy between dragon glass and steel.
@Saia Sailo the Valyrians is the name of the people. Valyria is the name of the kingdom. Valyrian steel is the name of the steel, he only shortened it to Valyrian because it's obvious that he's talking about the steel alloy.
dragon glass + dragon fire = Valyrian steel
also know as Dragon steel in the books
@Saia Sailo i get the joke... kinda. But it just doesn't make a lick of sense.
@Olias grammar*. You played yourself.
How did those houses acquire their Valyrian swords ⚔️ and the story behind each one and why
Forgive me, your grace.. your videos are much appreciated.
unlike the show you can't forge obsidian and it's hard to make weapons out of it because it's so brittle. the aztecs (or mayans i always confuse them, but the aztecs were bigger) used to get shards of it and jam them into pieces of wood to make swords, like the wildlings axe i forget his name, and the shards would have to be replaced because they break easily. I'm not sure if you could infuse it into a steel sword though
I've always though that dragon glass was used in the process of making Valyrian Steel, and I think i know how its made.
using dragonfire, steel and dragon glass are liquified and then made into an alloy, now this itself is a very very fragile and weak steel, what gives it its near indestructible abilities, is that once the dragon-steel is drawn out into a blade, it is quenched, not in hot oil like a blade normally is, but in dragon blood.
Can Dawn be lightbringer? George has said in the past that the sword is special
Maesters who studied the MAGIC arts, get a Valyrian Steel link, when they past their final test. Their final test is (correct me if i'm wrong) to light a Dragonglass candle. This obviously involves both dragonglass and magic.. and the reward is a Valyrian Steel link..? I think it's pretty safe to say that we know atleast a few of the parts of making Valyrian Steel.
Crafting Valyrian steel and dragons/DRAGONFIRE, has been gone for the same amount of time!!
Nah, the dragonglass candle is for the night before someone is sword in as a Maester. They have to spend a night in a cold, dark room alone with the candle, and find a way to light it. Now, since obsidian doesn’t burn, they almost always sit in darkness. This is to show magic is not a solution to ones problems.
Now, Valyrian links are very rare, and you wouldn’t have to forge new steel, just have a bunch of rings ordered from Valyria way back when, and build the other rings around that.
Thanks for helping me with games of throne lore
:)
You mentioned that dragonglass gets really cold after Sam killed a white. Could it be that the soul of the person is sealed in the dragonglass? And then all it remains is ice which breaks down.
I’m still wondering why they didn’t just craft arrowheads out of obsidian and put everyone they could behind the walls of Winterfell armed with bows. It would’ve been a much better use of the Dothraki than having them charge like a bunch of morons into a zombie army. With arrowheads the biggest drawback of obsidian becomes a non-issue. It doesn’t matter if it breaks because you’re not going to use it again anyway.
other than valyrian steel and dragon glass, ice crystal sword(all type weapon ww & nk use during combat) can kill white walker/NK ?
Interesting how the white walker Sam killed died slowly while Jon’s instantly crumbled. I wonder if that’s for a reason other than dramatic effect
Sam used dragonglass, Jon used Valyrian steel. Maybe the steel works quicker?
alas, he passed it to jorah. Your prediction has failed
winedragon not like Jorah needs it for the next we though
Imagine if someone used dawn in the long night and they go to strike a walker and it just straight up shatters
Wait didn’t Tywin make 2 swords
Imagine A warrior like Sandor Clegane weilding a Valariyan sword!
What about dragonbone weapons
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Hey this isn't skyrim
FredGUsmao no its an actual thing in game of thrones look it up
Their blades aren’t dragonbone, the hilts are.
The catspaw dagger has a dragonbone hilt, some bows are also made of dragonbone. It’s durable, but not sharp.
one thing the show got all wrong is the fact that Dragon glass can't actually kill the white walkers, Sam tarly used one to slay an other, creatures of darkness created by the enemy of the God r'hollor which control the wights however when he tried to kill a eight walker with it it simply shatters
All this for Arya Stark to wipe out the entire White Walker population with a single little trick.
I'd like to see Jorah get Heartsbane. He's going to need it to defend his Khaleesi.
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I think maybe valerian steel maybe made using dragon glass. for example crush up dragon glass powder mixed with the steel
HEY! I just heard of the theory that blew my mind which is Quaithe is future Arya stark. They're both no one, both wondering what west of westros and the first one seems to know many things about the future, which was her past. Daaaamn. Can y'all talk about it? Im curious
Arya isn’t no one. Arya is Arya Stark of Winterfell, son of Lord Eddard Stark, sister to kings. She is shown as failing at losing her identity, in show and novels.
I think dawn is probably just a special Valyrian steel sword
Nah it’s forged from the remains of a goddamn meteor, thousands of years before Valyria existed.
How will they dive into the lore of the night king in the books he’s only in the show isn’t he?
@Saia Sailo great now your grammer doesn't make sense. Are you saying that the Night King is in the books, or are you saying that books from the GOT universe don't exist???
D A R G O N G L A S S
The real question is WHAT IS DRAGONSTEEL? Is it just another mention of Valyrian Steel indicating the known timeline is EXTREMELY wrong? Is it confusion due to Dragon Glass? Is it a meteor made sword like Dawn? Or is it something else entirely?
Logan smith maybe valerian steel is forged using molten rock of some sort? (Think: forged in the fires of Mount doom) That would explain why obsidian and valerian steel work in the same way against white walkers. Perhaps this dragon steel is steel forged in dragon's breath.
Hound slap fool with heartbane be epic take out more than half the white walkers
Is Dragonstone part of Westeros? If so, then why do the other houses of Westeros consider Daenerys a foreigner?
Dragonstone is part of Westeros, but Daenerys was born on a ship escaping Dragonstone, and she lived her whole live in Essos.
The hound should definitely have heartsbane
What if Arya could shapeshift using the skinned faces of animals?
Joffrey behavior was solely cerci’s fault 🤷🏾♀️
What about vibranium adamantanium and Uru metal
Ehh idk why GRRM said V steel is sharper than normal steel... sharpness is purely a product of the fineness of what you use in the polishing/sharpening process. What he should’ve said is that V steel retains it’s harness longer.
Pedantic materials scientist douche here 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
Samwise Gamgee I'm pretty sure he means the ability to be sharper. Normal steel recedes if you sharpen it to much, while valerian steel may not.
So when you reforge a valyrian steel you need to sacrifice a goat or what?
Halal Steel
I swear this is SKYRIM
Cuase.....
Dawn or lightbringer or whatever doesnt it remind you of DAWNBREAKER FROM THE MERIDIA MISSION
Tv series more successful compared by the book version because of the simple story plot. Well most people don't like complex things i guess..
Valyrian steel is a dragon glass and steel alloy, I'm telling you
Sam gives Jorah Heartsbane.
And now jorah is dead so i hope hound gets that
I thought dragon glass was used to forge the Valyrian steel....
Why it sounds real.
Maybe the way how to make valyrian steel is hidden in Dragonstone
small house tarly? do you know what u r talking about?
that white background still killing u
I'm just starting to watch this and Arya kills the ice king with her valerian steel knife
Both were useless when the night king resurrect his troops
Great content as always, but they’re two of the same thing
Yeah I bet he was disappointed in season eight
Isn't the sword of house dayne stronger than valerian steel
no it's the only weapon in the known world comparable and is said to be a bit lighter then Valerian steel of the same sized weapon. dawn also is't the only weapon to be said to have been made of the material also know as sky metal. it's just the only one that isn't lost house gardener had a spear made of the metal
I don’t think “small folk” know anything about dragon glass
Your assumption in the beginning that none could forge the Valerian steel, is false. Tyrone Lannister called a black smith, who was one of three left in the world who could forge Valerian steel swords, to make two swords from Ned Stark's Valerian steel sword. One of these swords was given to Jamie Lannister and the other one was given to King Joffrey as a wedding gift. The challenge now is the lack of Valerian steel.
No his assumption is true. No one can forge valyrian steel. All they can do is Reforge it or reshape it.
He literally talks about how it can be reforged, but not forged in the video, what?
Heartsbane is lightbringer
OMG you don’t cast a sword like they show in the show you heat the and forge then with a hammer and anvil I can’t stand the misconceptions tv shows give to forging
Arya dagger was used to kill the night king, concluded....
night king dies in episode 3
It was a. Frozen clone
@@brendantran3312 u sure??
@@no_player_commentary you mean Arya
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Dargonglass lol
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