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Man 10k cuda cores vs 21K cuda cores thats almost fells super criminal this even call is HALO GPU cuz that is a fucking lie and yes gamers will buy cuz there is just no any other choice but this would be HALO GPU if it have 20 or 24gb of vram but again just 16GB of vram bruhhhhh im not thanfull im dissapointed and 16GB is not enough for 4k gaming sorry to tell you but try to play stalker 2 at 4k at epic settings without upscaler my bet 40 fps well enjoy that shit also another good comparison the space marine 2 at 1440p maxed out graphics takes around 11 to 12 gb of vram right if you download their official 4k texture pack and you play that on same settings in 1440p maxed out witj 4K texture pac game will take 15GB of vram and if you play at 4k with 4K texture pack Vram usage be aroun 18 to 22gb of vram soooo wtf you talking about also yes you would be right with 16gb of vram if and thats one big if the games run same good and smooth and was optimized as 10years back and in my opinion this is another issue like nvidia dont give you more vram cuz well you have the DLSS use it its still looks good even at QUality in 1440p and you get as well some fps in return but that is not an option of games are extremly cpu heavy like stalker 2 and space marines 2 and i pick those two games cuz i tested them and im playing them and those are one the most new games that we got soo yes your point is valid if we line 10 years back today for the 4K you need that 20 to 24gb of vram cuz game engines are upoptimized well UE most of the time and if game gave RT baked in so you cant turn if off than even with 1440p game will eat your vram like V8 using fuel just extremly quickly soo yeha this is world we live in also this 50 series is be huge dissapointment and if you really wanny upgrade i would by rather 5070ti cuz its almost same seen as 5080 and around 1000cuda cores less soo yeah this seems better but its not huge upgrade at all in my eyes and nobody should by rtx 5080 is thats just scam look at 4080super you already need to use DLSS in some games well fuck me in alot of games and this was gpus that cost 1200eur well is still is even now 1200eur up to 1500eur its nuts and rtx 4090 cost in europe from 1900eur up to 3500eur this is criminal. And AMD ahhhhhhh lets just dont even talk about them like what they dit with their GPU naming is just bruhhhhhhhhhh moment cuz its like my performance is worse than your buttttttttt i change my name with higher number so its better like bruhhhhhhhhh holly shit why and also rx 9070xt will be hugge shit if rumors are true than for 650USD we will get perfromance same as rx 7900GRE and 45%better RT which i thing most of us even on nvidia gpus dont use expect cyberpunk and yeah also the 220watts TGP which would be better but over this is not upgrade and im wonder for who this gpu will be cuz well IDK maybe for lads with 5700XT or 6000series IDK really for that price damn if that be really that 650USD game over for AMD cuz hahhahahahah this is Intel wet dream hahahahahahh if AMD launch that Intel for sure launch something like B770 or B780 for 350 and 399 and AMD can go fuck them self all togerather with nvidia but well many people screaming how bad is nvidia but at the nd of the day the 5080 will be sold out in a day and 5090 will be sold out in like 5 to 10 min max mark my words. The only alternative is now well Intel if the ypush out something good like B770 with 16GB of vram or more and with better perfromance fore sure better upsclaer than AMD than the AMD will again have no sales and we all know how poor it was with 7000 series and in my opinion the 9000 series will go even more bad soo yeah AMD must go with that price down before CES i think they not gonna do it. In the other words of you dont like what nvidia doing just dont buy their products cuz you give nvidia money and they are happy soo its really fucking simple just dont buy itand wait for price drop.
You don't need more then 16 GB to game on 4k, amd isn't even playing in this space anymore so you can't pat them on the back for more vram when it won't matter half the time (not pro Nvidia here, just calling amd out as well)
@@kr00tman That's not correct. For example Indiana Jones needs more than 16GB in 4K with Full RT (Path Tracing) and Supreme Texture pool size. On my rig the game needs over 21GB VRAM with this settings. And that's not the only game. Ray Tracing / Path Tracing are very VRAM demanding.
@@adrian6355I've never been impressed with RT given how decent the baked in lighting looks and had done for years. Just a waste of money. DLSS, Frame generation, stupid amounts of ram, all compensation for poorly optimised games and needless features. Unreal 5 isn't helping either. All the games using it are looking rather generic and bland
@@stuartburns8657 For me it is the exact opposite. Path Tracing looks stunning especially in Cyberpunk 2077 and Indiana Jones. Without Ray Tracing/Path Tracing the game looks dull with bad shadow casts and even worse global illumination. In addition HDR looks outstanding in Indiana Jones. FG is for example poorly implemented but otherwise the game is pretty good optimised. Go with low or medium "Texture Pool Size" and "RT off" and you can play it even on low end PCs with high fps. UE5 is a bigger problem. The engine is very demanding because it is so easy to handle things and put a big amount of assets in without any problems or crashes. But you're not wrong. Nowadays many companies don't optimize their games good enough and rely completely on DLSS/FSR and FG.
@@kr00tman You're just shilling for Nvidia at this point without anything to back it up. AMD's midrange cards come with 16GB of Vram, and their equivalent to a 4080 (7900XTX) ships with 24Gb of VRAM. The only reason NVidia is being this stingy with VRAM is because they can now release 2 models of the 5080 instead of 1.
@ZefZiona it's not shilling for Nvidia, it's more they have the only halo gpus this generation so far so you either skip them (which I won't be) or you buy them. Notice I'm doing a ton of Intel content right now for the b580..you most likely won't see "budget Nvidia is great" content from me unless it is.
The upcoming 50x gen is not future proof by a long shot, bearing in mind the quickly growing AI and RT implementations in soon-to-be-released games. Nvidia’s move and pricing policy are justified only by the lack of competition at the moment.
we gonna market our cards to be able to do rt and ai shit but we won't have enough vram to do those things. if you want that, get the 5090 for the low price of 3k and your left testie -nvidia
gonna have to wait for the super version that will use the new samsung chips for the 24gb version of the 5080, i just hope these bozos price it around 1k when that happens, which they probably won't
Grant you a fair dislike. 10 mins long, i ended up scrolling the video, was trying to find an answer and eventually still didn't get why 16GB is a good thing.
It's a good thing because the AI people will be wanting the latest and greatest new thing with 32GB of VRAM so they will be buying them up instead of the 5080 with 16GB of VRAM. Think of the 5080 as the real world Halo gaming card and the 5090 as the prosumer video card. Later on there will be a refresh of the cards with a higher tier 5080 with 24GB of VRAM which will become the new Halo gaming card and maybe also an entry level prosumer video card or maybe the 5090 will also get a VRAM upgrade and become the new top tier prosumer card with the normal 5090 becoming the entry level prosumer video card.
@@Airwolf1971 Wow fanboy much!?!?!?! Enjoy your gimped card that will last you 1 year before you have to play at 1440p only then forced to upgrade a year later. #BRAINDEAD
I have a 3070. Just upgraded my i7 8700k to a 9800x3d. I'm eye the 7900xt 20gb vram for $620. I want to wait for the 5000 series but its too close to trumps tarriffs. I just game at 3440x1440p so I think I might hop on the 7900xt and just jump on the 5000 refresh in 2026
In exact same boat as you, upgraded my i7 8700 to 9800x3d and my 3070 8gb is getting vram throttled. I like your idea of getting something to hold over until 5000 refresh. Need a 5080 ti or super with 24gb vram that's the sweet spot. 16gb vram will soon be the new throttle point. My opinion.
RTX 5080 needs to be 24gb. It's between 16gb and 32gb so and a rate of 450w TDP would be great. I played alan wake on my 4090 and i was over 18gb vram.
16gb is not enough, few 3a games are using 17gb+ while dlss and rt on atm, so within the next 2 years we should see it bump up to 18+. also vr players might need more vram then 4k players
I have a 4090 and not worried at all that it will still be faster than 5080, the memory bandwidth and VRAM size is way better plus the bigger memory bus. 4090 24GB is such a solid card, great performance at 4K/2.5K gaming and AI Stable diffusion.
not a good thing, why because it will limit the perf of the gpu, and no I dont talk about the amount of the v-ram but the narrow memory bus. It should have at least 320b or 384b bus and then we would get 20 or 24GB of v-ram if they used 2GB modules. Right now it seems like 5080 will be slower than 4090 so how can it be a halo sku?
@@kr00tman u spoke to a couple of people? who? U only need to look at the specs of the gpus. The only thing that can make 5080 outperform 4090 is having the core clocked higher, but as it is right now it seems that they will clock about the same. So how can a gpu with less cores and less bandwidth with probably the same clockspeed be faster than an 4090? Even if the shaders of the 5080 are more effective ie have more ipc I doubt they will catch up with 6000 shaders more and lower memory bandwidth. It is not impossible if the u-arch of blackwell is muuuch more effective ie higher ipc but I dont see it from the leaks or rather lack of the leaks in this aspect. go over to tecpowerup gpu database and browse around on the gpus and look at the specs. 6000 shaders to outpace for the 5080 is waaay to much if the clockspeed is about the same compared to 4090.
@@kr00tman why would u remove my reply to u? wth now it is back... youtube what are u doing.. thought that I stumbled upon a youtuber that hides replies when he gets replies he does not agrees with.
@@kr00tman play Indiana Jones when you get your 5080 and put the 4090 against it MAX EVERYTHING! lets see how 16gb vram does vs the 4090's 24gb.........This is where your wrong! The 4090 will outlast it and that is the problem with this 1300-1400$ card. NO WAY it will be 1k! with zero competition.
I ran out of 16GB already in indiana jones great circle. my TUF 4080 super dropped to 12 FPS from 100 FPS using high ray tracing, 4k quality DLSS, frame gen on, highest textures
@@kenshin3915080 wont match 4090, 5080 will have only 10,000 cores while 4090 has 16,000. Even with faster DDR7 memory and higher clockspeed, it will lose as its still the same 5nm TSMC
@@kenshin391 It will outlast all 16gb vram cards, so when the 5080 can't play 4k in 2 years a 4090 will be fine cruising along. That is why they don't want to give you more. They want 1500$ from you every two years. Nothing more Greedy IMO.
My guess is the 5080 will be 15-20% better the a 4080 Super and will cost $1199 USD. So no real advantage price to performance pen gen wise and the power budget is higher which means an increase in power bills / need for better AIB models. Get ready to spend some sweet green, especially for those ROG STRIX's and TUF variants. I just said F IT and got the 4080 Super for $800 USD on a prime days sale. I'm disappointed that the flagship RDNA4 card will only be as powerful as a 7900 GRE and have ray tracing of a 4070 Super and the AI upscaling will only be as good as DLSS3. Oh well I guess.
@@phoenixrising4995 15-20%? that's delusonal at it's best. It will be at least 30% faster. Just GDDR7 32gbps alone would increase performance 15%~ , what about clock increase? Shader increase? Architecture performance increase?
I'm hoping to find a good upgrade to my 3080 10GB only because I'm playing VR and recording it at the same time in OBS. It'd be nice to get a more powerful GPU because I'm often pushing in the high 80-90s utilization. Especially on the poorly optimized Alien Rogue Incursion game. I have to play on minimum settings. Alyx is better optimized comparatively. I see what you're saying though. It's good to keep the scalpers' hands off it. I hope I can find something that makes sense for me. I can't spend 5090 money anyway.
The 5080 should have at least 21gigs of VRAM. Any top tier NVIDIA card should at least benefit those who are spending a premium amount of their hard earn money and get the incentive they deserve. But thats once again an NVIDIA way of saying...well we are setting the Bar as AMD are pretty much as they mentioned on other videos, catering for the middle to lower tiers gamers. Their 7900XTX was just coming close to the 4080. Honestly. Moore law even shows what the price difference is per module of GDDR7 or the previous modules. And TSMC are also in this suppose with waging the price per silicone.
Nah it's not about the cost, it's about the target audience....they don't want ai users to buy these, they want gamers to buy them so they cut back the vram but made it faster...not saying Nvidia is "kind" for doing this, in fact it just shows you where all the money is at right now, and it's not gaming
so ur happy that we are getting a 70 calss GPU in 80 class dress, with price of 1400$ according to latest leaks? while it will barely be a 4090 performance?
Considered the 5080, then saw the VRAM… as a PCVR enthusiast, i am assuredly worried. Maybe even at flatscreen games in 1440p OLED i’m a little worried… already sought a 4090 or 5090…
Don’t forget with eBay just because a 4090 sold for $2000 means a person is pocketing that. After seller fees and taxes it drops down to $1500 or less so don’t be fooled by eBay prices. They sell for more otherwise the seller would lose money on every sale.
Yea there's fees and such but I was using eBay as an example where alot of people have access too. I just sold about 100 or so gpus and only listed one on eBay, there are plenty of other alternatives out there.
@@Entheo_Wolf if we are being brutally honest, I don't think most people care about a GPUs performance in 6 years as most people who are buying these will upgrade in 3 years-4 years max.. I also think that any answer would be nothing more than a guess...
@ Yeah 6 years is kinda of a stretch. But I would hope that a whole new build would last me at least 4 years before my next complete new build. I tend not to do upgrades as I like to avoid bottlenecks when dropping a lot of cash on PC parts. So a completely new build that lasts me 4-6 is ideal for me.
first of all 16 gb is not enough for a 4k marketed card even now and that's based on actual tests not someone's feelings and thoughts and second if you are naive enough to believe the price of the 5080 will be anywhere close to reasonable then you are extremely naive.
depends what you have right now. i used a gtx 1060 from release up until about a month ago when it burnt out. it was an absolute workhorse. i was still playing games on decent settings in 2024. at the moment, the best entry level card is the intel arc b580. it seems to be working very well at 1440p. if you are on 1080p, should be even better. that is if you can find one in stock :D, best thing to do is wait 2 more weeks or so until ces 2025 when amd and nvidia announces their new cards. also depends on your budget.
@@FlameTheAdventurer yea u can definitely wait until the new cards are announced lol. 1080p? or 1440p? if 1080p, you could even wait a year or more before you really needed to buy a new card : p
@xyr3s I see. The reason for asking is I have an old motherboard so I want to upgrade to AM5 but Idk if getting a new cpu will be compatible with my current gpu
They save hardware costs by giving you unripe software to compensate. AMD is technologicaly not as far as NVidia but were willing to give you more VRAM. Man youre coping while getting gimped. If the 5080 costs around 1300$ its 300$ less than the 4090...but its not even close to the 4090. Its a big scam and you think its a good thing lols😂
But NVIDIA has "professional" GPU series. If it's not for gamers, why put it among the gamers' line? Why not name it, dunno, AI5000 or T5000 or whatever? And go up till 5080? Or.... go up to 5090 still but downsize the 5090 a bit. You got the idea.
Hey, I have a 1070 and whant to buy a new gpu. But i don't know what to do! Wait and buy the 5080, with all the respect if someone can give an advice!!!
Interesting opinion. If DLSS 4 is actually to do with memory compression, gamers can relax regarding the VRAM issues and not have to worry about AI users scooping up the cards.
I'm pretty sure it doesn't use memory compression b, but rather uses ai texture upscaling. So it will take the lowest resolution textures, which used the bulk of the vram and the a I algorithm will upscale it accordingly to something that should look much, much higher res. Of course, it will be an approximation, and there will be mistakes versus the original high 4k textures
16gb is on the edge if you use all rt + frame gen in new games at 4k and if you have other monitor for idk movie playing or whatever it also eat some vram if you don't use iGPU on the cpu yea maybe it's enough today because still even the flagship card don't have a good performance in heavy games native max settings full RT + FG so forced to use dlss or fsr so vram usage goes down a bit also allocated memory is not actively using memory so if you consider that...yes 16gb can survive another year but not more...new games are really heavy not all of them yes but you won't buy high end card for playing stray, forza or rocket league btw...for what exactly is 16gb good? i catch only one thing and that was fact not a lot ppls other than gamers will go for that card it's not interesting for enterprise ai crap or whatever yes that's true but for our wallets it will be not and also this card will loose value a lot but that's only my prediction
I think the same as you, 16gb of vram is enough for 99% of the games at 4k. Considering the 5080 will be equal or a bit more powerful than a 4090 and a better price (lets hope 1000-1200 eur) I think it’s going to be a really good deal. I don’t understand people that cry because of the 16gb of vram, just think about it, if the card would had more then the price will be higher. I myself am waiting to buy a 5080 and call it a day, and lets hope is not more than 1300 store price.
16gb wouldn’t be a problem in most games if the developers/publishers would give a single f about optimization. but obviously their approach is to tell the customer to buy a new expensive system every year. If the 5080 performs well I’ll buy one but I have to admit the 16gb are bothering me too. I just hope that the impressive memory speed and nvidia’s software power will make the 16gb less of a problem than everybody thinks.
There are other ways to farm views without being anticonsumer and trying to create a "different" point of view that it's just absurd by itself. Vram is not expensive and nvidia gimps their cards on purpose for planned obsolescence and to force people to buy their higher end cards, just like Apple does with their products. It's not a complex matter and it doesn't need even more people trying to cope with this absurd corporate behavior. Stop being a disservice to the consumers. You have other ways to grow your channel.
@@RFKG it's not farming views,it's trying to give you guys a different perspective that may be an unpopular one. Since I do some ai work too I'm in a unique perspective to explain how the market works even if it's not something you want to hear. As I said in other parts of the comments, it's not about the vram costs...it's about segmenting the market. The fact that you think I'm doing a disservice just shows that you don't understand the point of the this video. Also I am not an Nvidia apologist, but it's not planned obsolescence when this card will last for years, most people will upgrade well before they need to because they want the best and that's just how it is.
I don't like it, but you are mostly right. I'll be getting a 5080 knowing its limitations in some limited scenarios. It's a bit like when I bought the 4070 ti almost 2 years ago. I knew there would be some situations where 12GB would not be enough, but it almost always has been. Indiana Jones is the only game where 12GB was a significant limiting factor when turning on both Full RT and Frame Gen. The 4070 ti actually turned out to be a pretty decent 4K GPU, with DLSS Performance looking pretty great. The 5080 will allow me to max out 1440P with Full path tracing and allow me to do the same at 4K with aggressive upscaling. 20GB of VRAM would be a sweet spot, but I know the scalpers would have a field day at 20GB+. It's an unfortunate reality of the AI world we live in.
So many people complaining about the 5080 16GB when there's SO many other factors that can't be ignored. 4090s will be expensive, 5090s will be way more expensive, it's GDDR7 memory, DLSS 4, and more unannounced innovations we haven't even seen yet. These things could even reduce VRAM requirements It's idiotic to refuse the new cards when we haven't even seen the performance, benchmarks, and features yet
I am running a Arc770 with 16gb vram but it’s older ddr6. Nothing that I play currently dents the ram available. Nvidia is actually presenting a viable GPU and perhaps next year I will be interested but I will be comparing it to the most powerful Battlemage when the time arrives because I do like my Arc770.
honestly this video makes me feel better. ive been planning on getting the 5080 and i wasnt sure id be able to pick one up at launch because of availability. my new setup is for 1440p gaming so 16gb VRAM is no problem for me
@kr00tman idk about that, as im trying to get higher fps while playing with ray/path tracing. and regardless, 4080 super stock is low and what's left will probably be selling for the same price as what the 5080's MSRP will be. (also i have too much trust issues to risk that much money on a second hand card lol)
@helpfulfox2789 honestly the 4070 super / 3090 is the best value in terms of 1440p but I get what you mean, I was able to get a super cheap 4080 that I use for a 4k PC and it's doing amazing..I don't think finding used 4080/supers shouldn't be hard to find when the 5000 series releases
@@silverfox97480 where consumers could realistically boycott them is at the lower tiers buying amd and Intel, and if we are being honest that's where most people buy their gpus anyways. They could also buy used as well. The people who want the best will continue to buy Nvidia because they don't care. It's up to everyone else to vote with their wallets
Well it would be cool if 5080 is faster and cheaper than 4090, but you forgot to mention that it uses gddr7 now, I don't know what the price difference btw memory types is, but I assume it exists. Also tariffs and overall rumors don't paint a pretty picture.
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Man 10k cuda cores vs 21K cuda cores thats almost fells super criminal this even call is HALO GPU cuz that is a fucking lie and yes gamers will buy cuz there is just no any other choice but this would be HALO GPU if it have 20 or 24gb of vram but again just 16GB of vram bruhhhhh im not thanfull im dissapointed and 16GB is not enough for 4k gaming sorry to tell you but try to play stalker 2 at 4k at epic settings without upscaler my bet 40 fps well enjoy that shit also another good comparison the space marine 2 at 1440p maxed out graphics takes around 11 to 12 gb of vram right if you download their official 4k texture pack and you play that on same settings in 1440p maxed out witj 4K texture pac game will take 15GB of vram and if you play at 4k with 4K texture pack Vram usage be aroun 18 to 22gb of vram soooo wtf you talking about also yes you would be right with 16gb of vram if and thats one big if the games run same good and smooth and was optimized as 10years back and in my opinion this is another issue like nvidia dont give you more vram cuz well you have the DLSS use it its still looks good even at QUality in 1440p and you get as well some fps in return but that is not an option of games are extremly cpu heavy like stalker 2 and space marines 2 and i pick those two games cuz i tested them and im playing them and those are one the most new games that we got soo yes your point is valid if we line 10 years back today for the 4K you need that 20 to 24gb of vram cuz game engines are upoptimized well UE most of the time and if game gave RT baked in so you cant turn if off than even with 1440p game will eat your vram like V8 using fuel just extremly quickly soo yeha this is world we live in also this 50 series is be huge dissapointment and if you really wanny upgrade i would by rather 5070ti cuz its almost same seen as 5080 and around 1000cuda cores less soo yeah this seems better but its not huge upgrade at all in my eyes and nobody should by rtx 5080 is thats just scam look at 4080super you already need to use DLSS in some games well fuck me in alot of games and this was gpus that cost 1200eur well is still is even now 1200eur up to 1500eur its nuts and rtx 4090 cost in europe from 1900eur up to 3500eur this is criminal.
And AMD ahhhhhhh lets just dont even talk about them like what they dit with their GPU naming is just bruhhhhhhhhhh moment cuz its like my performance is worse than your buttttttttt i change my name with higher number so its better like bruhhhhhhhhh holly shit why and also rx 9070xt will be hugge shit if rumors are true than for 650USD we will get perfromance same as rx 7900GRE and 45%better RT which i thing most of us even on nvidia gpus dont use expect cyberpunk and yeah also the 220watts TGP which would be better but over this is not upgrade and im wonder for who this gpu will be cuz well IDK maybe for lads with 5700XT or 6000series IDK really for that price damn if that be really that 650USD game over for AMD cuz hahhahahahah this is Intel wet dream hahahahahahh if AMD launch that Intel for sure launch something like B770 or B780 for 350 and 399 and AMD can go fuck them self all togerather with nvidia but well many people screaming how bad is nvidia but at the nd of the day the 5080 will be sold out in a day and 5090 will be sold out in like 5 to 10 min max mark my words. The only alternative is now well Intel if the ypush out something good like B770 with 16GB of vram or more and with better perfromance fore sure better upsclaer than AMD than the AMD will again have no sales and we all know how poor it was with 7000 series and in my opinion the 9000 series will go even more bad soo yeah AMD must go with that price down before CES i think they not gonna do it. In the other words of you dont like what nvidia doing just dont buy their products cuz you give nvidia money and they are happy soo its really fucking simple just dont buy itand wait for price drop.
16gb is not enough for a very high end gpu even mid level AMD has 16gb, it's like a slap the face.
You don't need more then 16 GB to game on 4k, amd isn't even playing in this space anymore so you can't pat them on the back for more vram when it won't matter half the time (not pro Nvidia here, just calling amd out as well)
@@kr00tman That's not correct. For example Indiana Jones needs more than 16GB in 4K with Full RT (Path Tracing) and Supreme Texture pool size. On my rig the game needs over 21GB VRAM with this settings. And that's not the only game. Ray Tracing / Path Tracing are very VRAM demanding.
@@adrian6355I've never been impressed with RT given how decent the baked in lighting looks and had done for years.
Just a waste of money.
DLSS, Frame generation, stupid amounts of ram, all compensation for poorly optimised games and needless features.
Unreal 5 isn't helping either.
All the games using it are looking rather generic and bland
@@stuartburns8657 For me it is the exact opposite. Path Tracing looks stunning especially in Cyberpunk 2077 and Indiana Jones. Without Ray Tracing/Path Tracing the game looks dull with bad shadow casts and even worse global illumination.
In addition HDR looks outstanding in Indiana Jones. FG is for example poorly implemented but otherwise the game is pretty good optimised. Go with low or medium "Texture Pool Size" and "RT off" and you can play it even on low end PCs with high fps.
UE5 is a bigger problem. The engine is very demanding because it is so easy to handle things and put a big amount of assets in without any problems or crashes.
But you're not wrong. Nowadays many companies don't optimize their games good enough and rely completely on DLSS/FSR and FG.
You need about 20gb to play the great circle at 4k with path rt all max. Is 8gb of vram gonna cost Nvidia 200 bucks per card? I don't think so.
nvidia cards are not expensive because of vram, but jensen's 60% net margin on each card
Amd and Intel need to step thero game up to force competition and lower margins
@@kr00tman There is nothing they can do is nvidia fanboys are immature humans who would lick jensen boots.
Why 16GB is "a good thing"?! Well it is isn't! Period!
I mean I get what your saying....but that's not the reality of the situation we find ourselves in
Facts!! He does not understand anything about vram
@@kr00tman You're just shilling for Nvidia at this point without anything to back it up.
AMD's midrange cards come with 16GB of Vram, and their equivalent to a 4080 (7900XTX) ships with 24Gb of VRAM.
The only reason NVidia is being this stingy with VRAM is because they can now release 2 models of the 5080 instead of 1.
@ZefZiona it's not shilling for Nvidia, it's more they have the only halo gpus this generation so far so you either skip them (which I won't be) or you buy them. Notice I'm doing a ton of Intel content right now for the b580..you most likely won't see "budget Nvidia is great" content from me unless it is.
Getting less for more - why is that a good thing! Said the CEO and laughed through his fat cigar.
The upcoming 50x gen is not future proof by a long shot, bearing in mind the quickly growing
AI and RT implementations in soon-to-be-released games.
Nvidia’s move and pricing policy are justified only by the lack of competition at the moment.
This too!!!
we gonna market our cards to be able to do rt and ai shit but we won't have enough vram to do those things. if you want that, get the 5090 for the low price of 3k and your left testie -nvidia
Here, I fixed the title for ya: „Why that‘s a good thing for Nvidia“
Your not wrong lol
they could just give us 20gb of vram for 5080 and still have the 5090 for whatever they want, i wouldnt mind it costing 100-150dollars more
20 risks the wrath of ai
@@kr00tman did you vote for kamala ? that would make scense
gonna have to wait for the super version that will use the new samsung chips for the 24gb version of the 5080, i just hope these bozos price it around 1k when that happens, which they probably won't
24gb for futureproof.
Me, who skipped 20, 30, and 40.
GTX 1080 for life 👊🏻
@shannon1267 honestly my 1080 has been an absolute G just thugging it out since release
@@shannon1267 I'm rocking the evga 1060 6gb
same. i still have my 1080TI GTX 11GB gddrx5 and now i just bought an AMD 7900xtx. best deal of my life.
Grant you a fair dislike. 10 mins long, i ended up scrolling the video, was trying to find an answer and eventually still didn't get why 16GB is a good thing.
It's a good thing because the AI people will be wanting the latest and greatest new thing with 32GB of VRAM so they will be buying them up instead of the 5080 with 16GB of VRAM. Think of the 5080 as the real world Halo gaming card and the 5090 as the prosumer video card. Later on there will be a refresh of the cards with a higher tier 5080 with 24GB of VRAM which will become the new Halo gaming card and maybe also an entry level prosumer video card or maybe the 5090 will also get a VRAM upgrade and become the new top tier prosumer card with the normal 5090 becoming the entry level prosumer video card.
You missed the point :/
This guy gets it
@@Airwolf1971 Thanks, now i have "your" themesong stuck in my head again 😉
@@Airwolf1971 Wow fanboy much!?!?!?! Enjoy your gimped card that will last you 1 year before you have to play at 1440p only then forced to upgrade a year later. #BRAINDEAD
I have a 3070. Just upgraded my i7 8700k to a 9800x3d. I'm eye the 7900xt 20gb vram for $620. I want to wait for the 5000 series but its too close to trumps tarriffs. I just game at 3440x1440p so I think I might hop on the 7900xt and just jump on the 5000 refresh in 2026
In exact same boat as you, upgraded my i7 8700 to 9800x3d and my 3070 8gb is getting vram throttled. I like your idea of getting something to hold over until 5000 refresh. Need a 5080 ti or super with 24gb vram that's the sweet spot.
16gb vram will soon be the new throttle point. My opinion.
awww man... i need the 5090 for the VR
RTX 5080 needs to be 24gb. It's between 16gb and 32gb so and a rate of 450w TDP would be great. I played alan wake on my 4090 and i was over 18gb vram.
@@luke7542 and you realize the 4090 can't run Alan wake on max settings right? The game was already too powerful for a 4090
@@kr00tman I meant AW2. Ran 4k render (native) and yes cranked all visual settings to max.
@@kr00tman The game is not "powerfull" the game is un-optimized garbage, well you get the point.
16gb is not enough, few 3a games are using 17gb+ while dlss and rt on atm, so within the next 2 years we should see it bump up to 18+. also vr players might need more vram then 4k players
What games will eat your vram in 4k that won't force you to lower the settings to hit performance targets you want
@@kr00tman Cyberpunk 2077 currently uses over 18GB on 4K ultra settings. Alan Wake uses 17GB
Indiana Jones disproves your clowning.
I have a 4090 and not worried at all that it will still be faster than 5080, the memory bandwidth and VRAM size is way better plus the bigger memory bus. 4090 24GB is such a solid card, great performance at 4K/2.5K gaming and AI Stable diffusion.
not a good thing, why because it will limit the perf of the gpu, and no I dont talk about the amount of the v-ram but the narrow memory bus. It should have at least 320b or 384b bus and then we would get 20 or 24GB of v-ram if they used 2GB modules.
Right now it seems like 5080 will be slower than 4090 so how can it be a halo sku?
I spoke to a few people and from what I know there's no way it will be slower, the buss on it isn't actually bad at all
@@kr00tman u spoke to a couple of people? who?
U only need to look at the specs of the gpus.
The only thing that can make 5080 outperform 4090 is having the core clocked higher, but as it is right now it seems that they will clock about the same.
So how can a gpu with less cores and less bandwidth with probably the same clockspeed be faster than an 4090? Even if the shaders of the 5080 are more effective ie have more ipc I doubt they will catch up with 6000 shaders more and lower memory bandwidth.
It is not impossible if the u-arch of blackwell is muuuch more effective ie higher ipc but I dont see it from the leaks or rather lack of the leaks in this aspect.
go over to tecpowerup gpu database and browse around on the gpus and look at the specs. 6000 shaders to outpace for the 5080 is waaay to much if the clockspeed is about the same compared to 4090.
@@kr00tman why would u remove my reply to u? wth now it is back... youtube what are u doing.. thought that I stumbled upon a youtuber that hides replies when he gets replies he does not agrees with.
@@kr00tman play Indiana Jones when you get your 5080 and put the 4090 against it MAX EVERYTHING! lets see how 16gb vram does vs the 4090's 24gb.........This is where your wrong! The 4090 will outlast it and that is the problem with this 1300-1400$ card. NO WAY it will be 1k! with zero competition.
5080 will never beat 4090 as it has only 10,000cores vs 16,000 and its same 5nm
@@blondegirl7240 I had to triple check the data but I think I will, don't forget the power of gddr7
@@kr00tmaneven with DDR7 the bandwidth will be the same as 4090 has, which is 1TB/s
@blondegirl7240 yea I hear you but from what I have seen and the people who I have spoken to, and history says to should be 15-20 percent better
But there is a lot we don't know so we will have to see!
@@kr00tman Yeah 15-20% over 4080 which is around 40% slower than 4090 :)
I ran out of 16GB already in indiana jones great circle. my TUF 4080 super dropped to 12 FPS from 100 FPS using high ray tracing, 4k quality DLSS, frame gen on, highest textures
Isn’t the 4090 better because it has more VRAM? I’m a PC noob so I’m just asking?
Probably yes
yes, but vram isn’t the only thing determining the strength of a card
@paintinwater5614 Could you explain I would really like to know like I said I'm a complete noob? lol
@@kenshin3915080 wont match 4090, 5080 will have only 10,000 cores while 4090 has 16,000. Even with faster DDR7 memory and higher clockspeed, it will lose as its still the same 5nm TSMC
@@kenshin391 It will outlast all 16gb vram cards, so when the 5080 can't play 4k in 2 years a 4090 will be fine cruising along. That is why they don't want to give you more. They want 1500$ from you every two years. Nothing more Greedy IMO.
Still gonna hold on to my 4090 and will sell only when the bull run peaks
Sounds like a good plan
20-25 % bump over the 4090. This was the proof, that you have less than 0 % knowledge. Please YT algo, dont recommend this guy ever to me. my gosh
10-25 we don't know but that's the expected range anyways feel free to let the door hit you on the way out ;) and thanks for the engagement 😀
My guess is the 5080 will be 15-20% better the a 4080 Super and will cost $1199 USD. So no real advantage price to performance pen gen wise and the power budget is higher which means an increase in power bills / need for better AIB models. Get ready to spend some sweet green, especially for those ROG STRIX's and TUF variants. I just said F IT and got the 4080 Super for $800 USD on a prime days sale. I'm disappointed that the flagship RDNA4 card will only be as powerful as a 7900 GRE and have ray tracing of a 4070 Super and the AI upscaling will only be as good as DLSS3. Oh well I guess.
FACTS!!! They act like they have inside info.....maybe on how to make shizz up
@@phoenixrising4995 Agree except they will price it higher with no competition 1300-1400.
@@phoenixrising4995 15-20%? that's delusonal at it's best. It will be at least 30% faster. Just GDDR7 32gbps alone would increase performance 15%~ , what about clock increase? Shader increase? Architecture performance increase?
I'm hoping to find a good upgrade to my 3080 10GB only because I'm playing VR and recording it at the same time in OBS. It'd be nice to get a more powerful GPU because I'm often pushing in the high 80-90s utilization. Especially on the poorly optimized Alien Rogue Incursion game. I have to play on minimum settings. Alyx is better optimized comparatively.
I see what you're saying though. It's good to keep the scalpers' hands off it. I hope I can find something that makes sense for me. I can't spend 5090 money anyway.
I dont know what's the reasoning for buying bunch of these GPU's for AI. Like what are we missing out? WTF they doing with them.
The 5080 should have at least 21gigs of VRAM. Any top tier NVIDIA card should at least benefit those who are spending a premium amount of their hard earn money and get the incentive they deserve. But thats once again an NVIDIA way of saying...well we are setting the Bar as AMD are pretty much as they mentioned on other videos, catering for the middle to lower tiers gamers. Their 7900XTX was just coming close to the 4080. Honestly. Moore law even shows what the price difference is per module of GDDR7 or the previous modules. And TSMC are also in this suppose with waging the price per silicone.
Nah it's not about the cost, it's about the target audience....they don't want ai users to buy these, they want gamers to buy them so they cut back the vram but made it faster...not saying Nvidia is "kind" for doing this, in fact it just shows you where all the money is at right now, and it's not gaming
so ur happy that we are getting a 70 calss GPU in 80 class dress, with price of 1400$ according to latest leaks? while it will barely be a 4090 performance?
Kroot what do you think a used 4080 or 4080 Super will go for on eBay once the 5080 releases?
I'm honestly not sure but that will be interesting to see. I paid 600 for a 4080 a few weeks back and it's been fantastic
Let's see if 5070 can beat it. If it does, anything over 500 is not happening
Considered the 5080, then saw the VRAM… as a PCVR enthusiast, i am assuredly worried. Maybe even at flatscreen games in 1440p OLED i’m a little worried… already sought a 4090 or 5090…
Don’t forget with eBay just because a 4090 sold for $2000 means a person is pocketing that.
After seller fees and taxes it drops down to $1500 or less so don’t be fooled by eBay prices. They sell for more otherwise the seller would lose money on every sale.
Yea there's fees and such but I was using eBay as an example where alot of people have access too. I just sold about 100 or so gpus and only listed one on eBay, there are plenty of other alternatives out there.
Will the 16gb 5080 outperform the 4090 6 years from now? Hoping for 4k per eye VR in MSFS2024. Or should I hold out for a 24gb 5080 ti/s in 2026?
@@Entheo_Wolf if we are being brutally honest, I don't think most people care about a GPUs performance in 6 years as most people who are buying these will upgrade in 3 years-4 years max.. I also think that any answer would be nothing more than a guess...
@ Yeah 6 years is kinda of a stretch. But I would hope that a whole new build would last me at least 4 years before my next complete new build. I tend not to do upgrades as I like to avoid bottlenecks when dropping a lot of cash on PC parts. So a completely new build that lasts me 4-6 is ideal for me.
Using a 4090 for 2 years and then selling it for a profit is insane.
Yet it's the reality we live in and you can do it too
I won’t lie I’m hoping the 5080 is 10% faster than the 4090 but I lowkey gotta agree with your take in the video
first of all 16 gb is not enough for a 4k marketed card even now and that's based on actual tests not someone's feelings and thoughts and second if you are naive enough to believe the price of the 5080 will be anywhere close to reasonable then you are extremely naive.
Good thing nahh its a joke. In 2025.
Why do you say that
@kr00tman it should be 5060 who deserves 12 gb ram... And 5080, must have 22 gb of ram.. According to their prices...
eTceTera, not eggsedra.
Not a good thing since most PC games won't able to afford it. It mostly like cost 1,500$
Im getting the 5090 & nothing is going to stop me not even Superman 😎
Hey I'm right there with you lol
How much will you spend to acquire it?
Good luck. This is exactly what they want. Weak hive mind man childs spending way too much to buy from there scalpers.
so in your opinion. what GPU should I get If I am a casual gamer. after about 4 months?
you upgrade your gpu when when there is an actual killer game you been hyped for forever releases.
depends what you have right now. i used a gtx 1060 from release up until about a month ago when it burnt out. it was an absolute workhorse. i was still playing games on decent settings in 2024.
at the moment, the best entry level card is the intel arc b580. it seems to be working very well at 1440p. if you are on 1080p, should be even better. that is if you can find one in stock :D, best thing to do is wait 2 more weeks or so until ces 2025 when amd and nvidia announces their new cards. also depends on your budget.
@@xyr3sI have a RTX 3060 OC 12GB
Edit: I've had it about 5 years
@@FlameTheAdventurer yea u can definitely wait until the new cards are announced lol. 1080p? or 1440p? if 1080p, you could even wait a year or more before you really needed to buy a new card : p
@xyr3s I see. The reason for asking is I have an old motherboard so I want to upgrade to AM5 but Idk if getting a new cpu will be compatible with my current gpu
They save hardware costs by giving you unripe software to compensate. AMD is technologicaly not as far as NVidia but were willing to give you more VRAM.
Man youre coping while getting gimped.
If the 5080 costs around 1300$ its 300$ less than the 4090...but its not even close to the 4090.
Its a big scam and you think its a good thing lols😂
I mean I basically said as much but it's the reality of the situation we are in lol. You can call it what it is and jump in or not participate
But NVIDIA has "professional" GPU series. If it's not for gamers, why put it among the gamers' line? Why not name it, dunno, AI5000 or T5000 or whatever? And go up till 5080? Or.... go up to 5090 still but downsize the 5090 a bit. You got the idea.
Hey, I have a 1070 and whant to buy a new gpu. But i don't know what to do! Wait and buy the 5080, with all the respect if someone can give an advice!!!
@@olteanucristian6372 well what resolution do you want to play at and what's your budget?
just buy 7800 xt
Interesting opinion. If DLSS 4 is actually to do with memory compression, gamers can relax regarding the VRAM issues and not have to worry about AI users scooping up the cards.
I'm pretty sure it doesn't use memory compression b, but rather uses ai texture upscaling.
So it will take the lowest resolution textures, which used the bulk of the vram and the a I algorithm will upscale it accordingly to something that should look much, much higher res.
Of course, it will be an approximation, and there will be mistakes versus the original high 4k textures
They're basically forcing you to enable DLSS to be able to hit the performance targets and game in 4K. That is not a win, that is a loss.
Gamers can relax now, I also have another hot take that when you spent over 400 on a GPU you shouldn't need dlss
What target?
I am happier to stack up 4070tiS
16gb is on the edge if you use all rt + frame gen in new games at 4k and if you have other monitor for idk movie playing or whatever it also eat some vram if you don't use iGPU on the cpu yea maybe it's enough today because still even the flagship card don't have a good performance in heavy games native max settings full RT + FG so forced to use dlss or fsr so vram usage goes down a bit also allocated memory is not actively using memory so if you consider that...yes 16gb can survive another year but not more...new games are really heavy not all of them yes but you won't buy high end card for playing stray, forza or rocket league btw...for what exactly is 16gb good? i catch only one thing and that was fact not a lot ppls other than gamers will go for that card it's not interesting for enterprise ai crap or whatever yes that's true but for our wallets it will be not and also this card will loose value a lot but that's only my prediction
*fires up his bots to hoard **90s again 😂*
@@smolpuff sounds about right
I think the same as you, 16gb of vram is enough for 99% of the games at 4k. Considering the 5080 will be equal or a bit more powerful than a 4090 and a better price (lets hope 1000-1200 eur) I think it’s going to be a really good deal. I don’t understand people that cry because of the 16gb of vram, just think about it, if the card would had more then the price will be higher. I myself am waiting to buy a 5080 and call it a day, and lets hope is not more than 1300 store price.
Yup the price will be big but we won't know that till CES, which I'll be at! Great comment!
Prolly be 1400 dollars mark my words😂 someone hit me up when it drops so I can see if I was right
nvidia could release a ti or super version of the 5080 later on that has more vram
Very possible
16gb wouldn’t be a problem in most games if the developers/publishers would give a single f about optimization. but obviously their approach is to tell the customer to buy a new expensive system every year. If the 5080 performs well I’ll buy one but I have to admit the 16gb are bothering me too. I just hope that the impressive memory speed and nvidia’s software power will make the 16gb less of a problem than everybody thinks.
Fantastic comment and good points, I think 16 GB will be more then enough!
You give 1TB of vram and a game requiring 1.5TB to play ultra will come up shortly.
So should i sell my 4090 ive been using for like 1.5 years and buy a 5080
literally a downgrade
Hell no dont be stupid, this idiot doesnt know what hes talking about
@GamingWithMineeToy ain't it supposed to be 10% better
@@SkyoffRunes no?
I think it's a good idea
There are other ways to farm views without being anticonsumer and trying to create a "different" point of view that it's just absurd by itself. Vram is not expensive and nvidia gimps their cards on purpose for planned obsolescence and to force people to buy their higher end cards, just like Apple does with their products. It's not a complex matter and it doesn't need even more people trying to cope with this absurd corporate behavior. Stop being a disservice to the consumers. You have other ways to grow your channel.
@@RFKG it's not farming views,it's trying to give you guys a different perspective that may be an unpopular one. Since I do some ai work too I'm in a unique perspective to explain how the market works even if it's not something you want to hear. As I said in other parts of the comments, it's not about the vram costs...it's about segmenting the market. The fact that you think I'm doing a disservice just shows that you don't understand the point of the this video. Also I am not an Nvidia apologist, but it's not planned obsolescence when this card will last for years, most people will upgrade well before they need to because they want the best and that's just how it is.
@@kr00tman The fact that you insist that this is not planned obsolescence tells me everything i need to know. Good luck on your channel.
I don't like it, but you are mostly right. I'll be getting a 5080 knowing its limitations in some limited scenarios. It's a bit like when I bought the 4070 ti almost 2 years ago. I knew there would be some situations where 12GB would not be enough, but it almost always has been. Indiana Jones is the only game where 12GB was a significant limiting factor when turning on both Full RT and Frame Gen. The 4070 ti actually turned out to be a pretty decent 4K GPU, with DLSS Performance looking pretty great. The 5080 will allow me to max out 1440P with Full path tracing and allow me to do the same at 4K with aggressive upscaling. 20GB of VRAM would be a sweet spot, but I know the scalpers would have a field day at 20GB+. It's an unfortunate reality of the AI world we live in.
I’m at 1440p so I don’t really care about the VRAM. Really hoping the 5080 is faster than the 4090 though…
I think you make a good point.
To sum it up, if 5080 got more VRAM than 16GB, AI users will snatch them.
I spent 30 seconds typing that. You spent ten minutes 😂
I got nothing lol, I felt like I tried to stay on topic while explaining my points
16gb is more than enough please stop crying in the comments
So many people complaining about the 5080 16GB when there's SO many other factors that can't be ignored.
4090s will be expensive, 5090s will be way more expensive, it's GDDR7 memory, DLSS 4, and more unannounced innovations we haven't even seen yet. These things could even reduce VRAM requirements It's idiotic to refuse the new cards when we haven't even seen the performance, benchmarks, and features yet
@@Kinslayu love rational comments like this, great take!!
I am running a Arc770 with 16gb vram but it’s older ddr6. Nothing that I play currently dents the ram available. Nvidia is actually presenting a viable GPU and perhaps next year I will be interested but I will be comparing it to the most powerful Battlemage when the time arrives because I do like my Arc770.
@@kr00tman i love comment , where guys lick the spit of a 3 tril $ company, who refuses to give 50 $ more of Vram.
honestly this video makes me feel better. ive been planning on getting the 5080 and i wasnt sure id be able to pick one up at launch because of availability. my new setup is for 1440p gaming so 16gb VRAM is no problem for me
It's overkill for 1440p you could save a bunch of money and just buy a 4080. Glad I could help though!
@kr00tman idk about that, as im trying to get higher fps while playing with ray/path tracing. and regardless, 4080 super stock is low and what's left will probably be selling for the same price as what the 5080's MSRP will be. (also i have too much trust issues to risk that much money on a second hand card lol)
@helpfulfox2789 honestly the 4070 super / 3090 is the best value in terms of 1440p but I get what you mean, I was able to get a super cheap 4080 that I use for a 4k PC and it's doing amazing..I don't think finding used 4080/supers shouldn't be hard to find when the 5000 series releases
apparently they are gddr7? now i dunno how good it is compared to gddr6. but 16gb might be fine if gddr7 is a game changer.
its irrelevant how fast Ram is, if its not enough
I like you take on this. Also, DO NOT BUY FROM SCALPERS!!!!
Consumers should just boycott this gen of cards and send a strong message to Nvidia but that won't happen...
@@silverfox97480 where consumers could realistically boycott them is at the lower tiers buying amd and Intel, and if we are being honest that's where most people buy their gpus anyways. They could also buy used as well. The people who want the best will continue to buy Nvidia because they don't care. It's up to everyone else to vote with their wallets
Well it would be cool if 5080 is faster and cheaper than 4090, but you forgot to mention that it uses gddr7 now, I don't know what the price difference btw memory types is, but I assume it exists. Also tariffs and overall rumors don't paint a pretty picture.
I talked about gddr7 but we dont fully know what these modules can do as this will be a faster speed of gddr7 ram then even the ones on the 5090
@@kr00tman no... still lower bandwidth than the 4090....