Passthrough Test on Quest 3 vs Vision Pro
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- Опубликовано: 16 фев 2024
- Seeing how far away I can be from my desktop monitor and read text clearly while wearing the #quest3 and the #apple #visionpro #applevisionpro
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How close do you have to be to the monitor to read that same text clearly with no headset? I feel like that’s an important data point.
Exactly this!
+1 kept waiting for that!
Well a LOT of these videos lately have been leaving out important details so the Vision Pro looks good.
Meanwhile, the dynamic range, contrast, etc make the Vision Pro a much WORSE headset for AR than the Quest since the "AR" doesn't feel like the real world at all in it due to how muted and blurry the passthrough is, especially compared to other headsets. He's only showing the one metric here that doesn't actually matter for AR applications but makes it SEEM impressive.
Yes the clarity is amazing but that's worthless when the lack of contrast and motion blur make it feel more like just a VR headset with digital elements pasted ontop of your view.
Good point, updated the description. Measured 44 inches with my normal glasses.
I’m a Vision Pro user and i can tell you that its never gonna be the same as without the headset. You can feel that the passthrough looks quite “artificial” and the text on the screen looks quite blury.
The dynamic range is much better on the Vision Pro from what I can see. The window outside is more blown out and the edges are kinda weird on the quest 3
Understandable for the cost of the quest
the guy in the backround was probably so confused at 1:12
Is that a robber?
@@chiroyce I was thinking the same lol
He was carrying some package then stopped to take out his scarf. That's it.
@@Ps3rikbr68some robbers do wear scarfs. you never know.
@@kaitek666 I just pointed out what's seen in the video. Furthermore, it's just speculation.
Very nice, to the point, informative. Thanks!
Please keep making these creative videos. Nobody's doing what you're doing. One thing I would love to see you try is productivity just on the Apple Vision Pro With a Keyboard Track pad connected directly. I haven't really seen anyone connect the track pad directly and make a video about how well it works or doesn't work. Everyone just connects it to their Macbook. I think the real future of this thing is to replace your laptop as a productivity tool.
Thank you! And that's a great idea let me see what I can do.
Whatever you’re doing is working. Good amout of subscribers this month
great homemade vpro review videos.. keep em coming daily bases.
More to come!
How to transfer MP4 videos from a 2.5-inch portable hard drive to Apple Vision Pro?
Can I transfer the videos via a USB-C cable?
Are there any suitable video player apps?
I wonder how different viewing spatial videos is on the quest vs the Vision Pro?
The Quest looks like it is underwater. Look at how the monitor bezel is wavy.
Only when you're waving your hand in front, which you don't really do during an actual workflow.
I got my Quest 3 today. The warping is definitely there but you actually barely notice it if you don’t pay attention to it consciously in my experience. I did notice that it warps the top monitor bezel quite a lot when I look at it which is weird though.
The reason it gets wavy is because it uses more than 2 cameras in the array so the cam-to-image processing is much trickier to do vs the Apple Vision Pro's 2 cameras.
@@TheDrummingXbox360 The AVP has a lidar scanner, and a dedicated processor for managing the data. So it can measure and adjust the visual feed to determine whether objects should be rendered in the foreground or background, in front or behind something else. It's impressive, but obviously not worth 3 grand more to the consumer.
@@tagg8233 obvious only to those who aren't Apple sheep at least.
The pass through is really impressive on the quest 3, but it's impressive for making you feel like you're still in a room with other people and how surprisingly 'real' the windows look in the space - but I feel like the Apple is actually built for pass through being the main use case.
Totally agree. I didn't really buy the Quest for the mixed reality/AR, so I was super impressed at how good it looked. But I don't think it's quite good enough to be used like Apple is marketing theirs for.
about two feet!
so with my own natural eyes i can see my monitor with letters on it about 15-20ft away crystal clear as you would see it on AVP at two
so my question is in your personal guess...how many pixels does avp pro for a future headset need to be to do what my natural eyes can do from about 20 ft away?
1:13 looks like someone about to rob your neighbor
Always great people watching from my patio 😁
Why would some one do that when they can put the computer screen inside the headset on any of the devices ?
I was thinking EXACTLY the same thing. Comparing headsets by doing something that makes no sense...
Thanks for the comparison! Off topic but just curious why you haven't calibrated your monitor. The disparity between the Mac is insane!
That's a really good point I honestly never really thought about it tbh. I am going to look into this.
@@himelstech If you don't mind it then it's no big deal! The green subpixels always emit a stronger light than the others which is why most uncalibrated screens tend to look yellowish, so that's why I asked. It looks like an out-of-the-box Dell profile, which are never very accurate. if you start decreasing the 'G' value via the monitor's custom profile I'm certain you'll get better looking results, using your mac screen as a reference. happy calibrating!
Is it still worth getting the Quest 3 to use the desktop monitors for work? Concerned about the eye strain
Will do a video on this soon
The physical monitors no, the passthrough isn't good on it. But you can use immersed app free and get 4 separate digital monitors. Then you have to deal with the weight of the headset. I prefer working on physical monitors more comfortable.
@@himelstech Fantastic, thanks
I tried doing that for a full day last week, (8 am-12 pm and 1pm-6pm) using meta workroom, on the software side I didn't have any big problem, it's cool to have 3 big monitors for my laptop, text isn't as sharp as on a good real monitor but it's still fine most of the time and the paththrough to see the keyboard in the VR environment works well.
On the confort side it's definitely not good enough yet, I was happy to take the headset off after 4 hours in at noon but it was very difficult to stay in after 4.5 hours at the end of the afternoon. And yes my eyes were a bit tired after that whole day but not that much more than on a regular monitor, the weight is far worse than the eye strain. (Edit : I'm using the bobovr M2 with the retrofit kit, not the default starp)
Tldr : it can be good for 2 or 3 hours at a time after that it becomes harder and harder to ignore the weight
@@Mfire33if you use a headstrap with battery it will almost completely solve the comfort issues, it is said that the focal point in vr is set 4' away from your eyes which in theory would be better than looking at a phone screen or real pc screen, in practice I'm not so sure but I do use vr for 8 or more hours a day at times and my eyes do feel off for a few mins even after I take the headset off. I believe one will get used to it
Can you please do a video talking about comfort and eye strain? Particularly how many hours you can use it for in a single session, and how your eyes feel after extended use?
This is the most important thing tbh
Wore it like 6hrs total yesterday no big eye strain. Ran battery down multiple times.
@@danielfuson5599are u talking about vision pro or quest 3?
I think the whole point of these videos is to make teh AVP look good. Notice all the calims of amazing passthrough when for all other reviewers, they're admitting that it's muted, low-contrast, dark, and very blurry. Doing a video on comfort would also show how heavy and uncomfortable this thing is. They even went so far as to mis-represent the UI for competition like the Quest to make the VP look good.
@@JamesR624 Interesting. How was the UI misrepresented for the Quest?
Meta has released a patch that makes the visuals much cleaner. Updated video?
Distortions are mad on quest 3 tho
And nobody explains this🤷🏻♂️
Why they did it? This is so dumb.
It is so easy just to stream 2 flat videos from 2 flat cameras🤷🏻♂️
My logic is that the depth sensor is adjusting to the nearest object.. In this case the hand, because there is only one this causes an irritation, you can also look at nearby objects and see how the depth sensor sharpens something like a 2d plane in front of your eyes, take a tin and hold it close to the headset.. I guess two depth sensors would create a 3d depth perception as the two cams create the sfereoscopic picture, if it had two depth sensors positioned under each cam it won't blur anymore is my guess @@dnpvisual
@@dnpvisualThe warping makes the Quest 3's passthrough scale and depth correct
The Vision Pro isn't scale or depth correct
Both companies decided to prioritize different things and decided to make certain tradeoffs regarding passthrough.
@@LinusDropTipsSource?
because Quest shows your hands and arms for real the vision pro ''key'' your hands and arms like a green screen
So they both look great but I have a quest 3 and so do both my sons so I have access to 3 of them and all are the same, HORRIBLE in pass through mode, very grainy even in good lighting conditions. Yet no reviewers are mentioning this and I don’t see no grain. Could it be that influencers have been sent headsets with different cameras?
It’s the distortion with foreground objects on the Quest that I just can’t stand. How does no one focus on that? Does it not bother you when actually using it?
The Quest records the Reprojected view of the world and the warping makes the headset depth correct.
It looks much better in the headset than it does on the video (not the clarity, I meant the distortion)
please tell me why my Passthrough is so grainy and how to make it like yours
Good ambient lighting helps a lot. And Passthrough will always look better on video rather than in headset
do they fixed this in the new quest 3 update ?
It's gotten a little better I'll do a follow up soon.
@@himelstech thanks for the feedback .
btw did you try immersed or any other tweaking for better performance ?
i like to use meta quest 3 instead of monitor for designing websites . but I didn't find it's Srgb , adobeRGB , p3 and NTSC value .
so i asked chatgpt and it said to use DisplayCAL, CalMAN , SpyderX etc 🤪
p.s : if you don't mind , can i send you a mail related to your video content and idea ?
@@realmeee Feel free to reach out.
Don't forget you can change the size of your text on your phone and pc in acessability settings, that makes all the difference in the world, even if you're playing a game in vr and you want keep your headset on while texting
The distortion on the Quest 3 is terrible.
That's because it's the reprojected view of the world and the distortion is only really visible on the videos. The warping effect tho is real but will be fixed in about 2 months time
Next Quest could be an incredible value if they can get the pass through close to or better than Apple Vision Pro for under 2k. That being said, I like the Apple OS world.
Agreed. And Agreed.
You mean an incredible value if the Quest cost thousands more to get the pass through close or better to Apple and lose depth like the Apple? That being said, I prefer the META over the Apple.
@@covertpuppytwo3857 do you mean fov or depth? I haven’t seen anyone talk about depth that I can remember.
The Microphones are also from the respective headsets right?
I actually used the audio from my iPhone video in this one to match between both headsets. I was having trouble getting audio to work with my screen recordings on Quest 3 so just went this way instead. I fortunately was just able to fix the Quest 3 recording issue and have another video coming Monday that compares both headsets again, and includes their respective audio recordings as well.
@@himelstechoh alright. Nice work btw, ur videos are actually useful
They made it better on the quest 3 on the new update
Yeah planning to test soon
I’m a Vision Pro user and i can tell you that its never gonna be the same as without the headset. You can feel that the passthrough looks quite “artificial” and the text on the screen looks quite blury.
Use a Snellen Chart next time! It’s that chart that ophthalmologists use and has big letters at the top and it gets smaller bellow
Ha good call.
So 7 times price for 6 inch difference 😂
lmao the "7 inches" didn't sound nothing like the regular audio. so funny. good vid though
bruhhhh.... Yo, I'm actually going to go and demo the bad boy on Tuesday! I will buy it right then and there if it is first, comfortable, then if Disney plus can extend to over 119inches, and third if the glare/blue is not present
What keyboard is this? Looks so cool
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Thanks!
Apple take my money please. I can read!!
Conclusion: both perform better when removed.
Can you add Quest 2 to these comparisons? That could be funny. 😄 (I have Quest 2 but love watching your content!)
That solid strap on the quest has to be way more comfortable.
True, that's the BOBOVR M3 strap. Here's a similar one: amzn.to/3uzJEqh and I'm hoping they make one for Vision Pro soon.
So 2/3 closer with the quest to get around the same reading clarity as the vision pro
7 inches ftw
The Quest 3s pass through is much better In low light on the Quest 3 so much that Apple doesn't actually allow you to record in the same low light conditions you can in the Quest 3 and the only reason why you get wobble on the Quest 3 is that they use the black and white cameras to read the environment and the colour cameras to overlay the colour on the image you see so when it wobbles its the headset trying to quickly update the camera feed you see in pass through that's all and there's the problem of people the headsets glass cracking by itself literally just cracking and that will be a real big problem for Apple in the future as they made stupid design choices with this headset like using glass and having no headphone jack or USB C or WiFi 6E or 120hz it cost the most and lacks the most standard features
Biggest issue with quest 3 is the distortion.
Someone needs to create a shared space that allows Quest 3 and Vision Pro users to all experience the same shared space. Because corporations should not control our reality and no limit who we share it with.
Why would you want to look at a monitor thorugh a VR headset lol that kind of defeats the purchase, There's no question the passthrough is better on vision pro but it's $3500.00 it damn well better be.
This aside, eye tracking is the main leap apple has over the quest for productivity. It’s not possible to work for even short periods without it.
Eye tracking is just too expensive, they'd need to increase the price by $200 and people wouldn't be buying it then
The sales are already abyssmal compared to the Quest 2 cuz people aren't ready to yeet $500 for their first VR headset (even tho I think they should considering they're buying a $1k phone every 2 years)
It's not possible to work even short periods of time without eye-tracking? Then how exactly are people like me and many others doing it already?
In other words: Apple Vision Pro still doesn't match the Varjo XR-4 headset.
imagine costing 3000 more to be able to read 7 inches further, i say worth it.
7 inches more for 7 times the price........🤔
Could I get a free quest 3?
Maybe...
@@himelstech did he hat maybe turn into a yes?
Mark Z still says it sucks.
No shot he was reading that far away with the vision pro
I ain’t lyin bro
Compare the VR games... Oh, wait! Shit! 😮 Seriously though the passthrough is way better on the Vision Pro.
3500 extra dollars for 7 inches. Nice.
For much better passthrough, much better displays, much smoother experience, much more precise tracking, for hand occlusion and extremely more power inside😌
for a closed system@@dnpvisual
and minus application
@@dnpvisual
When people want a 500$ headset has a 3500$ headset quality, which is beyond me 😅
The main difference with the Quest 3 is that you have a spyware company on your face selling data to advertisers. Meta is making you the product!
LMAO imagine thinking Apple isn't a "spyware" company
@@jetstream01 wake me up when apple makes their revenue on advertising
@@jetstream01what’s the proof behind that one chief
Lol at this guy complaining about privacy, on the internet, on social media, from a smartphone.
idgaf if any company collects my data as long as they don't bombard me with ads everywhere i go
So $500 per inch for the AVP... Nah... I'll stick to the MQ3 for a while more...
WTF are all the Quest 3 videos all look like heat haze is in the view. It's stupid, the whole image warps when hands are in view especially.
Gosh, you did it again!
Stop 😅
Totally worth the 7 times price difference
Apple kid
guy with ultra wide high resolution monitor tries to read tiny text from phone camera feed
srsly, just take off the headset or use Ctrl++ to enlarge the font...
It's a comparison
Yeah this comment is pretty sad. The point is to compare them. Not to imply you actually need to be any one of the specific distances measured from the screen