BEST Greathammer Guide (in-depth breakdown and review) Elden Ring
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0:00 Different Movesets/Ranges
2:09 Beastclaw Greathammer
2:28 Envoy's Longhorn
2:59 Devourer's Scepter
3:50 Cranial Vessel Candlestand
5:11 Heavy/Fire/Keen/Lightning
6:50 Regular Hammer Breakdown (Heavy)
8:55 Quality
9:35 Flame/Sacred/Magic
10:35 Cold/Poison/Blood/Occult
11:50 Summary
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For the ones who are looking carefully enough, Greathorn Hammer does not have int scaling on cold. Fairly sure this is a bug Fromsoft just forgot about.
The brick hammer shines against shields. According to the motion values, it actually deals very similar stamina damage to the giant crusher :D
For those interested:
Brick Hammer's base stamina damage: 109
Great Mace's base stamina damage: 100
While the celebrant's skull does seem like a pretty underwhelming weapon, there is a niche that it fills well: It's the lowest stat requirement option for pure int builds that want to use waves of darkness or pure faith builds that want to use golden land. Especially at sub-meta level those points saved in endurance and strength really make a difference.
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Yes it’s a better choice both in stats requirements and weight requirements than Butchering Knife
Another thing about the pickaxe is that it can't be powerstanced with great hammers, only with great axes.
Also, after the 1.06 update, you can, in your first playthrough, get two greatstars. When doing the Varré questline, he will ask you to invade people. Instead, if you go to the Autus Plateau, you can invade an npc. When killed, he will drop the Great Stars. The other one can be found in a carriage near the area also.
I’m pretty sure that even if you invaded before, he’ll still invade. They’re not mutually exclusive, which is nice!
You will need a festering finger to summon the fight
Beastclaw greathammer has a strange unique property: it has a few attacks with Damage Level 3 where other great hammers have Damage Level 2. It will hitstun some PvE enemies that won't be hitstunned by the identical attack from another greathammer.
Specifically, R2 #1 has the different DL, both 1 handed and 2 handed.
What enemies are this best demonstrated on?
@@TheSpectralForce idk about the easiest demonstration, but I tested against the battlemage outside of Sellia hideaway. Staggers with an ordinary warhammer's running R2, but not the normal R2 #1. Staggers with the beastclaw greathammer's normal R2.
I'll also make the argument that a moveset without much variation is good for mixing up. If your R1's and R2's look the same, then people can't reliably roll into you based on the animation they see. Part of why great weapons are so easy for people to dodge isn't just that they're slow - it's that their moves pronounced and their large size makes it easy to see when someone starts an attack compared to a smaller weapon or a less pronounced animation.
Great spears, despite being just as slow, still benefit from their more subtle and low-to-the-ground animation compared to great hammers. It's these subtle things that make a big difference when rolling in these games is so imprecise and forgiving.
well said
Yo Cright - even more reason that Great Stars is based: weapon arts apply the weapon's bleed and also anything currently buffing, it, like Bloodflame Blade. Bloodflame Blade on Great Stars is absolutely crazy - especially on multi-hit weapon arts like Eruption and Prelate's Charge!
on my STR/FTH/ARC build, greathammers were one of my most used class of weapons, with envoy's long horn, occult great mace and sacred brick hammer
Thank you so much for making these vids, it is so helpful to have all the info presented in the format you use
Great stuff as always! You've really become my primary source of info on this game. No one else goes into such detail about comparing weapon length, passive effects, movesets, weight, etc!
Hail the school of big bonks!
Instant subscribe. So much data... beautifully aggragated and delivered very well.
Thank you for taking the time to put this together.
Note the 2-handed Pickaxe has a unique heavy attack, which comes out faster than 1-handed and also has hyperarmor. You can get some dangerous trades with it.
I was just starting a playthrough to use a cold Great Mace. Very nice timing.
Hey Chrightt, just thought I'd let you know that I've been looking forward to your 1.06 vid because I know you'll be the one to comprehensively showcase the unlisted changes. Good to hear it's on the horizon. Your meticulousness is anticipated and appreciated.
On another note, I'm about halfway through your book and I was wondering if you were part of a writing group. I'm a writer as well, but been hard for me to find other writers with an appreciation for tactics and strategy that you and I appear to share. I'd love to talk about it some time.
Great video! Just a little detail: Brick hammer has the highest stamina dmg of them all. I really like this since it makes nearly all great hammers viable in their own way. Heavy Brick hammer + RKR = guard breaks all day. Heavy infusions generally mean higher stamina damage. On the brick hammer you get some nasty stamina dmg, similar to the giant crusher
What is RKR ?
Royal Knight's Resolve.
Love your breakdowns. Can’t wait to see great axes!
Dual wielding the pickaxe makes very good horizontal strikes.
With the talisman for better counterattacks this thing shredds.
...ok, and i also like the hobo style on the weapon.
I’ve been waiting for this!
I really love the Great Stars in PvE. I find that it works especially well with the "Golden Land" Ash of War. You must be locked on, but if you are, the projectiles do not seem to have a maximum range, and will propagate all effects currently on the weapon: the heal, the bleed, any and all Elemental or Status damage from buffs or infusions, and the effect of "Last Rites".
ever since 1.06 added an npc that drops a 2nd great stars, my bonk build character has been dual wielding them. They're a ton of fun, dual wielding makes the bleed happen faster, and the passive heals are a nice buffer between flasks.
Envoy's Long Horn is prob the best large monster killer in the game, it melts and staggers at a crazy rate
Personally, I'm a fan of the Great Mace. I've been running with my favorite build so far which is just a Str/ Fai build focused on Wild Strikes and Bloodflame Blade. I use Great Mace for just running around and fighting shit but Great Stars for any serious fights. I just think that Great Mace is just a more aesthetically superior weapon. It worked especially well on RadaBeast because Radagon is neutral to fire while Elden Beast is weak to physical. So I just went in, shredded Radagon with Bloodflame Blade, let the buff drop, then just beat the shit out of Elden Beast without it.
About an older video about night sorceries for PvP. Just wanted to point out if invading the Ambush Shard is a very good addition to the build.
Yes, it lacks the buff from staff of loss, but you can hit targets with it after you lose line of sight. If you are target locked you can still hit them with ambush shard for a second or two after they seek cover.
Yes the GREAT STARS for the win. Its been my favorite weapon since day 1. I'm glad its still going strong
I’m current duel wilding both fire damage hammers and it’s pretty insane fire setup. Not to mention the range
This just confirms what i already knew, great stars is amazing
though i am running a faith build and was curious what is should be using
seems like i should pick up a curved club or run one of the unique hammers
A note on the pickaxe moveset, the running 2HR2 is a 360 swing with odd timing that catches people off guard and has an MV of 130
Would love to see Great Axe breakdown
Hey criight, could you make a video talking about the hyper armor equation for the different hyper armor weapons? I know it may be a big undertaking, but I would like to know breakpoints for trading.
I will look into this but likely not for a while as I have vids lined up.
Tbh I'll only stop using the Brick Hammer when YOU COME AND TAKE IT!! *bigbonk*
What build gets the most out of Great Stars? Heavy on STR, Occult on ARC or ARC/STR?
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I just finished my fantasy manuscript myself. I've been working on it for about 7 years.
May I ask what program you use to see the numerical bonus damage rather than the letter? I'm working on a 125 melee focused int hybrid and that'll make weapon choices away easier to determine.
1.09 gave these a buff. I don't know how good they are yet but I'm about to turn Godrick into PeanutButter.
That’s what I’m talking about let’s go great stars. I run it with cold and waves of darkness
i did a build that was powerstanced battle hammer and rotten battle hammer, and my rotten one had a cold BHS, and the battle hammer had poison mist. I ended up being able to inflict tons of status very quickly, but to balance the fact that I was BHS'ing like an jerk in PVP, I also was doing it like a rotten duelist cosplay.
Just a really filthy one. I had someone just suicide in a PVP match and then message me, "Get Washed" lol, and I wasnt spamming it :(
Very fun, but certainly not an "ideal" build. This was back in probably 1.04 or so.
Hi Chrightt, is there any good melee option for a Arcane/Faith hybrid? Or I’m i justo stuck with high arcane, str or dex and minimal faith for incantation requeriments?
I slammed through ng+ with great mace. Wonderful weapon.
Has the interaction between the poison mist AoW and great stars been patched? It's worth mentioning every poison tick on enemies inside the cloud will apply the heal passive. Occult great stars + poison mist + the two exultation talismans = a very happy str/arc character
Not sure if there's any numbers for this. But in my time in the subterranean testing grounds, the Brick Hammer seems to have higher stagger. Could just be placebo. The range difference doesn't seem too big either.
Also I really need to try that candle stick. Looks fun.
This would be placebo. All great hammers have the same amount of stagger.
Also since the recent update introduced a new npc invader to complete varres questline offline, u can now get 2 great stars in 1 game cycle
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I wonder why the pickaxe even counts as a great hammer. Its attacks feel much more like a greataxe and it even power stances with them. It doesn't share many properties with hammers either.
It's a cool weapon though
Time for bubbles (2:29)! Noot! Noot! Gonna make myself a Bubble Chad build 🙃
Prelate charge + Bloodflame + great star is the best great hammer
Does anyone know why the greathorn Hammer doesnt scale with int at cold infusione?
The short hammers like Battlehammer and celebrant skulls are in dire need of actual buffs. They are far too short for anything PVP and arguably in PVE as well. They should be faster or have a moveset with more momentum. Seeing how they were just buffed though I doubt they will touch it again, however....
Kinda sad that the battle hammer falls so low for such a cool weapon, was already considering dual wielding two rotten battle hammers on my STR/ARC build im currently working on while I work my way to Mohgs spear, currently using a Great Stars and plan to dual wield them for the sake of bleeding out bosses as much as possible.
Can you boost your audio volume by 30% next time please? Thanks for the great video as always
Pickaxe is actually is a wierd one, since it cannot be dual wielded with greathammers, but instead it dualwields with any greataxes
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Fun fact about Pickaxe, it can't be "power stanced" with any Great Hammer, but it CAN be "power stanced" with Greataxes. However, one-handed Greataxes (including "power stance") will bounce against Greatshields and hard enemies like the mining guys, while Pickaxe will not. Indeed all Great Hammers don't bounce one-handed. This makes Pickaxe probably the only "Greataxe" worth "power stancing", but only with itself since adding a real Greataxe in "power stance" will cause bouncing against such enemies.
Moreover, many Ashes of War that involve hitting with the weapon itself will do more stance damage with Great Hammers than other Great weapons, which includes Pickaxe. Yet again, in terms of utility, the best "power stance" Greataxe is a Great Hammer. This advantage disappears when two-handed though, since two-handed weapons don't bounce anyway.
Been using Great stars for my faith/strength build in pve
Very great choice with bleed and healing built in. I had one with prelates charge and would heal my whole health bat charging through a mob.
@@xenosayain1506 I keep hearing about Prelates charge, I'll try it out, thanks. Usually go Wild strikes, Golden land or Lions claw.
@@henrikh3089 I tip for it. On prelates charge
Go heavy with bloodflame blade. It adds a bleed tick fof every hit of the charge( a lot of low damage ticks) which results is mass bleeding. That equals = more dmg on a mob and more healing for the mass fp consumed during as charge.
@@henrikh3089 Waves of Darkness on it is also fantastic for STR/INT Gravity builds since it heals with every hit on the pulse plus the followup.
Brick hammer may be good for a muscle mage since it will only demand points in str and int. Others may still do better with pure str int scaling so.... Eh....
Great mace or great stars are both longer range and offer either more AR, or more AR + bleed + healing.
On cold, Great stars is sweet cause it inflicts 2 status conditions.
@@connortodd4538 ik that. But aoe skills are based on stat scaling. That's what I'm pondering may be notable here, a decent weapon AR with superior ash damage.... It will be limited by the restricted list of non ar based ashes available to great hammers but still.
@@samfish2550 ohhh that's actually cool. So because of the highest scaling, even if the ar and range is bad, you may use it for the scaling just for an ash.
I think a lower weight class would be better in that case, but that's actually a cool thing to note.
fat thickness great stars is amazing hands down unless they've nerfed it recent. It was amazing months ago too
Could you use the pierce damage of the pickaxe in combo with the ring that increase pierce damage on thrust weapons?
Does it count as thrust?
Yes and with RKR a counter hit R2 will one shot a lot of people
Hey Chrightt, I love your videos. Are you going to do greataxes next? I want to know if an executioner axe crit can outdamage the misericorde (I doubt it lol)?
It can't because the ar difference isn't as significant as miscorde crit boost (as well as bullshit with defense calculations), but greataxe is excellent with heavy flame of redmanes in pve because of this
T. 4 playthroughs with a executioner, my favorite weapon (only one abused redmane flame, the rest use lightning slash, or waves of darkness)
Not greataxes next but Misericorde will have better crits in general.
There is no weapon that outcrits Misericode. Dagger is second, Rapier third. ExeAxe is in fact a very poor crit weapon as the crit on the weapon sheet is just a multiplier of the hidden base crit, of which GAxes have very little.
@@clemenscohn7371 goddamit
It's so disappointing to me that weapons like the Battle Axe and Battle Hammer are so inferior. I love those classic battle weapon designs, but they perform so much worse than other more fantasy-oriented designs even in basic things like reach. It's odd too because the basic Longsword doesn't fall so far below other straight swords.
Great stars plus elden stars weapon art is some hot nasty shit, each connecting hit will activate the heal, allowing for some solid trades.
I've got a Great Stars +24 with cold infusion on Waves of Darkness AoW. i haven't had the chance to use this in combat, so is this a good AoW to use with great stars? I've never used it on any weapon.
Waves of darkness is an int scaling ash of war, so magic infusion would be much better since even with cold infusion if you're going for AR it would be mostly strength investment.
Pickaxe is a lot of fun to use. The moveset is very simple but it's very easy to psych out opponents and mess up their timing because all the moves look very similar but have varying speeds and slight animation tells to them. i.e. the 2h r1 has you wind back and slam the pick down as a pretty telegraphed attack but the 2h r2 has you lift the pick straight up and drop it down without any wind-up. If your opponent is looking for that tell-tale 2h r1 wind-up to dodge, it can be really easy to catch them with the r2. Plus you get to use stuff like Flaming Strike on a high(ish) AR piercing weapon. it's fun.
Awesome, now I know I should move my Flame of the Redmanes to the Curved Great Club from the Large Club and retire the Large Club altogether in favor of a Great Mace. If only I could get my smithing stones back :/
There's nothing like using Prelate's Charge buffed with Bloodflame Blade to mow down mobs & end up completely drenched in blood with full HP
...and hear the lamentations of their women.
The pickaxe is my favorite great axe in Elden Ring.
Weird thing I tried. I just got 900 runes from using one prelate's charge with a celebrants skull. =\
Best greataxe guide next?
Yo Chrightt is there an existing document available that shows hyper armor values for weapon skills/ashes? Would appreciate if you can share it
Hey~ don't have a full list I don't think, but I should have partial resources on my discord and when I have to dig into the specifics one by one. 😭
Glad to see the great stars - my elden-waifu - shining on your list as well.
I read something interesting the other day, and I thought you would be the person to go to about the answer. Apparently some multi hit weapon arts do more damage if on later hits if you miss with the first hit, or hit a different target. For example, if glintstone pebble misses or hits a differnt target, but the follow up hits, it will do more damage than usual. Is this true? If so, what weapon arts and how much is the damage increase?
No, this is about as much of a fantasy as my fantasy novel.
@@Chrightt thanks! I never saw it happen myself, but the person seemed very adamant that it was true.
Pickaxe is just a great axe hiding in the great hammer weapon class.
Hey, you mentioned the Cranial Vessel Candlestand was a Stat Stick, what does that mean?
It has high AR and long reach too, so if you just want raw damage for greatclub moveset, it acts as a great stat stick.
Chrightt can you tell me where do you get your info on hyper armor please
Datamine. In my discord.
I feel like pickaxe should've been deferred entirely to the Greataxes video.
Love my Devourer’s Scepter. Fastest club in the west.
Devouring Scepter seems to be another victim of Fromsoft thinking that Quality Faith is a good build choice :(
Fun fact about occult infusions on weapons that only have str scaling normally: the str scaling doesn't get dropped as hard as it would on weapons with both str/dex.
For most players this doesn't matter, but if you're at high level PvE stuff, an 80/80 str/arc occult infusion can beat an 80/80 str/dex quality on most of those weapons (for Great Hammers, that means Large Club, Brick Hammer, and Great Mace - the Club for regular Hammers is the same).
Sadly though the only weapons I can find with only str scaling and base arc status effects are shields like Spiked Palisade and Fingerprint.
Str/arc is insanely busted. I have a character with 54str 69arc and weapons with high str scaling are super busted with bleed infusion. Guts sword for example has only 7 less AR on a Blood infusion than Heavy, and deals 169 bleed buildup. Virtually same AR with broken bleed buildup = extremely broken setup. I run giant hunt and literally 2 shot people with 2k hp.
Im pretty sure if you take Arc to 80 the Blood infusion will surpass Heavy on the Guts sword.
came here to confirm my great stars bias. was not dissapointed.
Greatstar Gang.
"all four of the unique hammers have a Faith requirement"
*Arrows pointing to Faith scaling instead of requirement*
Pretty ironic the curved great wooden hammer benefits best from Flame or Fire infusions.
Certainly interesting to learn that the two greatest threats in a 1v1 Poise off among Great Hammers are a Pickaxe for the counter damage and the Great Stars for the heakth recovery.
Lions claw with the pickaxe is fun. It deletes rob users too if you have the poise for it.
yes but RoB users already don't exist anymore since the recent patch
My ONLY request/complain about your excellent breakthrough, is that you never show us what a QUALITY build can offer at
80/80 str/dex. (Edit : where it is the most relevant considering its scaling mechanic)
Otherwise, the greatest review as usual.
You can use the tool in the description for more niche checks. It's fast and easy.
@@andy4an thanks
Its higher
@@DakkaSap well which weapon was designed the best for quality then lol
@@PierreLucSex Bloodhounds fang honestly. Thing is damn OP and got buffed in the last patch.
feels bad to be a battle hammer fan haha
Okay, I get lightning with these isn't great... but I want to be Thor
Could you do a video on damage types? For example Uchigatana always have more AR than straight swords but it does slash damage, not standard. Maybe a video about what does that mean for pvp, etc. Maybe you can touch on elemental damage as well, holy maybe bad in late game yet it performs sometimes better than flame art on Faith builds etc.
Anyways, great video, thanks!
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So, what’s the best here, then? Great Mace does more stagger than the Great Stars, but the Great Stars has heal on hit. Only 1%, but that’s still 1% better than the Great Mace, of course.
I would go with great stars as you can stand to gain a ton from the heal. Great mace only if you're super confident you won't be needing much healing.
@@Chrightt So, if I’m OP, Great Mace, but if I’m average or less, Great Stars. Understood. Thank you!
Great Stars is fantastic with multi-hit Weapon Arts like:
-Prelates Charge ruclips.net/video/cZSFKLuj6TE/видео.html
-Wild Strikes ruclips.net/video/7ej_mn-4WVA/видео.html
Hard disagree on Lightning not being a worthwhile infusion, especially if you use them mostly 1h (like me). 22-24 Str really isn’t that much of an investment at meta+ and the wet de buff means you’ll almost always be doing more damage than other elemental options.
Also worth mentioning; whilst Large Club is mostly crap outside of its range, it gets decent AR Cold on a pure Str, comparable to other heavier, shorter GH. Pairs well with Nobles Estoc which shares this same property. Good for RL90 ish invaders w/ 50 str 👍
Looks like you've never messed with the infusion calc on my discord. At PVP levels (125~150) 50 ~ 80 investment lightning will do less damage unless your enemy is wet vs just a raw heavy (and sometimes even if your enemy is wet it'll still do less damage). And then imagine relying on wet to do damage when you can do without.
for me the large curved club wins over every one
For PvP 100%. More range and damage that other infusable GH make it a no brainer IMO.
@@lovewilcox6874 also it's funny looking and has the appropriate unga bunga factor
I just want people to know I got better pvp damage with great mace moving from 79 str heavy to 30 str, 45 fth sacred and having all the buffs. Then going to sacred curved great club did even better dmg with more range.
You’ll laugh but running great mace as dex with lightning infusion and 19 dex also put performed pure str heavy, especially in liurnia. Lightning had the absolute highest damage out put and I used lightning slash for the buff. Lightning at 60 dex doesn’t let me have Barrier of gold however, which is worth much more to me than doing maybe 10% more damage. HTK is still the same across sacred/lightning.
One last thing: fire has to be the worst damage type. Fire zwei was doing ok damage against me, but when the guy one handed the zwei it lost damage and couldn’t over come my vigor/str resistances and lost trades to my sacred slender sword. Using flame art Morningstar vs sacred small club with less AR... it seemed the weaker sacred club did better damage against meta set ups.
It is likely that you were playing while enemy was in the rain/rain+puddle. I've checked numbers for lightning vs heavy and lightning loses even at 56 dex vs counterpart.
@@Chrightt I realize I typod and said 19 dex but yes I ran it at 60 and 75 dex on two experiments. Combining 10% buff on lightning slash with shrouding tear. Rain was a huge factor for sure, all those buffs with multiplicative stacking and weather are nasty. And the dex scales physical too so it was doing solid damage against any build and the ash can occasionally one shot the 45 vigor types.
Falling star beast jaw???
Wrong weapon class mate. That's a colossal weapon.