The polling rate for USB on DS4 is 1/4 that of Bluetooth. I’m a programmer and I made a mod menu for PS4 and PS5 controllers and was astounded to discover this, as it was obvious on games like Mortal Kombat. Bluetooth inputs would capture 4 times as many frames as wired inputs
The Bluetooth on ds4 sucks though and had lag for me especially in the summer on extremely sunny days the controller would randomly go crazy and drop Inputs and do random stuff for like 10 to 20 seconds until it sorted it's self out, I bought a usb cable to use it wired and haven't had a problem since and that was a few years ago
@Fayetteville NC CBD the mods work with any game, for instance, I programmed L2+Square to perfectly time a KD jumper. I could use any button or combination and I could program it for any jumper
I couldn’t beat the final boss of stellar blade without plugging in my controller. There is more lag from the bluetooth connection i feel like. I’m not playing in wired mode just plugging in the controller though.
Thats crazy. I remember when the new dualshock(the one with the light on the touchpad) and PS4Pro were released, it was a featured that wiring the controller would reduce input lag.
@@cluckendip Sony themselves it was a big deal going from the first set of controllers to the second. This was because the first gen of controllers did not transmit over wired, causing some funny issues in the cod scene
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Also if you play at 30fps you'll have more input lag as it takes more time to show a frame on display during each second because it has to refresh (or repeat) each frame more times before going to the next frame of animation meaning that since 1 second= 1000 milliseconds you'll get 1. 1000/30fps= 33 milliseconds of delay 2. 1000/60fps=16 to 17 milliseconds of delay Also on top of that delay caused by the amount of fps, there's the additional delay caused by the controller you use, the display you use as some do more image processing than others which causes even more delay (motion interpolation being the biggest offender), also if you're online your connection plays a role (and a big one at that)
Can anybody tell me if demyansk map is still on vanguard multiplayer cant find it I'm play on medium and never shows UP JUST OTHER maps I like that map please help
For fellow pc users using a ds4 or dual sense with ds4windows you wanna "edit" your controller profile, then go to the "other" tab and there you shall find the polling rate option where you can max it out at 1ms for the least input delay
@@expendable.1 once you click "edit" look to the right of the top part of the picture showing your ds4 and you will see a line of tabs. Click on other. If you still can't find it I recommend you view a RUclips guide on it to familiarize yourself with the program.
So just one more advantage to add to the long list of advantages for pc users over console users. I can't stand the fact that on Warzone, playststion ams Xbox players are basically forced to cross play with pc players. It's like minor leaguers forced to play with major leaguers.
That was interesting to learn. On a slightly different note, one thing I’m curious about is that when I look up PS5 games on the PS Store and a PS4 version is available, the store acts as if I can’t buy the PS5 version digitally
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It's true that latency isn't noticably different. But the benefit with the cable over wireless is that you will never risk dropping any packets. Which can happen for various reasons. Like being to far away from the console, or having other devices interfere with the signal.
Also with wired you don't have to worry about low battery and having to rush finding a cord in the middle of an online game. Even tho I have a bluetooth dongle for my PC I still played weird for this reason. I also just found out about controller overclocking with PC as well. Also another reason to play weird. Now my PS5 controller has 1ms delay instead of 6ms. I could feel the difference right away.
Input lag is one thing, interference is another. Since the objective is to have a stable low-lag input, they are both just as important. Bluetooth gets the occasional stutter from interference whereas it doesn't happen over USB. This has been my experience on both the PS4 and PS5.
Agreed. My o.g. PS4 was unplayable for about 2 years due to all the wireless interference. Had to hardwire. PS4 was better, probably due to a better card.
if you want to further reduce input lag. make sure your TV is set to game mode if you don't have it, try pc mode. failing this customise your TV settings to match game mode if you don't know what settings to change Google your TV type followed by the word gaming settings.
Polling/sample rate is different than lag/latency. You'd really need empirical testing to analyze the deterministic and random jitter of both usb and bt to really draw a conclusion.
I wonder how much better I would’ve been at BF4 had I known this. I always played with the charging cord thinking it would decrease my input lag. Prob still would’ve been trash lol
I never thought this only because bluetooth has come a very long way from what it used to be. Bluetooth is almost instant nowadays and is a lot better with its reliability. Some people just dont understand that technology gets updated almost every year 😂
There is a caveat, using wireless can result in inconsistent input latency due to interference. It might make sense if you are into latency consistency (e.g. rhythm games) over getting the lowest possible latency. On my ps4 controller which is aging, the bluetooth connection is very weak and it is very easy to see the input signal latency vary wildly when someone walks pass you. So while in general wireless should result in lower input latency, the downside is the variance and inconsistency of the latency can be detrimental.
I thought there was less input delay with wired connection because when I'm playing rhythm games I'm able to press buttons in quick succession with more consistency. There'd be a section with quick triplets and I have to alternate the buttons between each hand, whereas when I use a wired connection I am able to press all three with the same hand
@@k96man NO! It was a BIG Deal,no matter how many time you can configure input delay its still feel doesnt right(Based on my experience with Many Rythm games ranging from Mobile to PC) as for console though i think what SpacedogD said were the most best/worst case of that type of game genre
This is why I have two controllers, I just drop my controller on the charging dock and grab the other one while my main controller is charging (Yes, I use the black one as my main, I only use the white controller when the black one is flat)
@@steelcity4123 I prefer to use the black one since the white one gets dirty so incredibly fast. And trust me, I always have clean hands while gaming, since I like to take care of my controllers. Even the controller that I got with my PS4 in 2016 still looks great and works fine without any stick drift.
@@Kimdah_ I'm the exact same. All of my electronics are mint, I actually didn't realize my white one was getting dirty until I saw a RUclips video on how to clean it. I looked and on the inside of the grips was bad. And my hands are always clean as well, I don't even eat when I'm gaming.... Plus I just really do like the black one better, the white only comes out when the black needs put on the charging dock
You need 2 controllers because the batteries die so fast on these things. Even when it's not using the extra features like the triggers, they die in a very short time compared to other controllers. Kind of annoying, but not bad if you keep 2 on hand. I prefer the white with my PS myself, it's a nice contrast to the black of the Xbox.
Thats good info. Ive always assumed it was faster. But i guess the wired connection is only better if you are having interference. When I got my PS5, I quickly noticed that when my controller when near my Bluetooth Motorola baby monitor, both the controller and monitor would lose connection and go into their respective pairing states. Unfortunately I can't use the Bluetooth 😢 I have also noticed that when the microwave is running, connections throughout the house get patchy. I've looked it up and even some government experiments had this problem for 50 years before realizing that the interference they were seeing was just the microwave from the lunch area lol
Whilst what you say is true, I still wouldn't recommend Bluetooth at least for the PS5. When measuring average input delay, USB is extremely consistent and seldom deviates from its average. Wireless on the other hand has a higher average, with lots of high peaks. Rocket Science's RUclips channel tested this. So on PS4 you're effectively making a trade off between responsiveness and consistency. It depends what you play. If you're executing repeated actions and to be as consistent as possible, like say playing Rocket League at a high Rank, you may want to use USB. For a game that doesn't solely rely on mechanics but does benefit from speed like CoD, playing Bluetooth may be best. On PS5 the polling rate appears to be the same between both input methods, which makes USB a no brainer especially if you're playing at a desk. You get the fastest input and extremely consistent input together.
As a ps5 owner I can confirm it makes no difference if you use the controller wired or Bluetooth both input methods are the same for the system. Who ever did the in-depth analysis for it is spot on . You can play the controllers wired or Bluetooth it wouldn’t make an difference while on PS4 controllers there’s a significant sudden change . I personally would recommend using Bluetooth on the ps5 as it’s more improved compared to PS4 and the input lag is just the same as if you played wired no matter what.
@@campersruincod6134 i know logically wired should work better but in this case it’s legit no difference ima take the guy who did the math and analysis himself word for it compared to a random who like me still assumed wired is better. Wired is always better but again in this case its little to no difference at all even with competitive gaming on a ps5.
@@campersruincod6134 don’t get me wrong lol this entire time I’ve been play rainbow wired on the ps5 I personally can’t tell the difference as well but again maybe a wired ps5 controller will still be better if there ever is one that isn’t third party ya know?
@@NewOldie huh? Did you not read a single thing I've typed? It's already been tested that USB measures more consistently than wireless. Watch Rocket Science's video. More in depth than anything you will find on this channel.
Actually I had to buy a ps5 bundle with a game and a second controller. I hated it at first now I am thankful cuz I can always change one while using the other one so comfortable. No cables anymore love it
What is more interesting is, that cable connection is more reliable in the variance of your input latency. As far as I remember two times (still very low) from measurements I saw
This doesn't even really feel that important though. On wired the input delay is unnoticeable and if you're using something like a controller that 1 extra frame isn't gonna do anything.
input lag on consoles are almost always a low voltage issue. too many things on the same circuit. get a surgeprotector with a long cord or extension cord and plug ps5/ w/e into an outlet on another circuit. presto the bluetooth has enough juice to stay connected!
Dead zone needs to be adjusted in whatever game you're playing. You want to set deadzone to its lowest point and your remote will respond quicker when moving around.
out of all the ps5s I have and there used everyday for over a year and not one controller issue and I now own all the different color controllers and no issue there either plus I don't know anyone that does and that's 17 others with ps5
iv know about this for awhile now . actually i think you did a vid in the past about this though i could be mistaken . I however switched over to series x from ps5 and after using many pro controllers i settled on the victrix gamibit pro . by far the most responsive controller i have ever played with and it is wired . so idk why sony went this route with their controllers. and if im being honest those dualsense are the reason i switched to xbox . spent over 300 dollars on controllers in the 1st 3 months on the ps5.
I can say with years of rocket league playing, this is simply not the case for my usage. I notice much more consistent and fluid experience when wired. Not the either are bad, but I can instantly notice a difference when I plug in my controller. The science here isn’t matching my experience.
Thanks, I'm really glad to know this information. I don't play plugged anyways but now I don't feel like I'm at a disadvantage for strictly going wireless so for that reason this video is amazing. :)
I play RocketLeague on PS5 and playing with a usb cord is a massive improvement. There is more input lag and weird motions when playing via bluetooth. I don’t think anyone could win a game above diamond rank without a cable connection. Maybe you used the wrong cable.
I dunno, the original standard USB "polling rate" on a PC is 250 ms, which can be upped to 1,000 ms in newer hardware. In almost all gaming mice, wired is better than wireless, as bluetooth does have to have error correction and multichannel rejection.
Not true at all about gaming mice. Many youtubers have done latency tests on them now and a number of wireless mice are actually faster then wired. Beardedbob Optimum Tech, Rocket Jump ninja. Hell even Linus tech tips did a video a couple YEARS ago and showed they were Just as fast if not faster.
you’re wrong about input lag being worse through usb on past gen consoles. Digital Foundry specifically tested this in Uncharted and found that wired usb had a better input lag than wireless bluetooth. Polling rate does not equal overall input lag, it is just a measurement of how many times in an interval does the signal update, it has nothing to do with how fast that signal is received and processed which are also major components of overall input lag.
The wire has faster input lag in older PS4 controllers models. It was only the newest models what don't work. Obviously when I use the wire connection it's not automatic. You've got to go in the settings and switch it to wired connection. From Bluetooth connection. If not you will be charging the battery and using Bluetooth. You didn't mention that there will be people thinking it's automatic when plugging wire in.
This may just be my experience, but I will put money on the fact that stick drift was an issue with wireless connection on PS5 but was not when wired. The only reason I play wired really.
nah stick drift was just a known fault with the gyro im always wired and i had one get stick drift within a week, they have rectified the issue in the latest ones tho
@@808nemec Can you explain how it was an issue with the gyro? That doesn’t make much sense to me since the gyro is not used to aim in 99% of games. The issue is just dirt and dust that slipped under the stick. You can sort of temporarily fix it by blowing air in the side of the stick. Most of the time the dust is too deep for any air to make a difference so you would have to take the controller apart which most people don’t want to do so they either buy a new one or forever complain about stick drift.
@@saulmartinez7480 yaaawn not another one that cant google! . (yea i got the word wrong for the thing in the lil box that makes up the stick) BUT its a known issue that has nothing to do with dirt geez some come out of the box with drift lol but hey heres a lil vid on the model that they have fixed the issue ruclips.net/video/C05h9ktbDao/видео.html need more just google known duelsense faults lol
You're overlooking THE biggest part of this. Consistency. Using a wired connection will allow you to play almost lag free. Using wireless, the actual timing might be the same, but you can get highs and lows with wireless. Fact: Wireless < Wired.
The dualsense has its own problems, that for being a crappy controller, breaks very easily. Stick drift, r2 button lose etc. Im on my second controller right now.
how about you stop raging and throwing your controller? literally have not heard one person complain about that, and considering it’s the best built playstation controller too? yeah buddy, maybe you need to relax while playing
@@anthonyvincente7907 because i’ve never heard of anybody else having those problems, to me it sounds like he rages and throws his controller, or he doesn’t keep his hands clean, idk, i’ve had every single playstation controller, this is the best built controller, i wasn’t getting defensive, im saying what he’s saying doesn’t make sense, if you’re claiming these controllers aren’t built good, then go get a 1000 dollar controller or go play xbox, from my experience they’re slightly built better, if your controller is breaking in less than a year you guys are doing something wrong
@@J.Gainez that logic isn't exactly sound my guy. He never said he did any of this and we have no proof that he does that. My controller is *just* under a year and I do experience stick drift. And I work a lot so I don't play very much. My friend also had stick drift out of the box. Truthfully, they use the same sticks as Xbox, ps4, and Nintendo switch. It's just natural for this to happen. There was no need on your end to be so condescending of a person you don't know.
I’d like to see a video on why ps5 controllers only seem to last a month or two before some type of defect sets in. I haven’t even had my ps5 a year yet and I’m on my 4th controller. The first controller out of no where got serious stick drag. Then I had two of them have the same problem with the charging port. I bought new wires thinking maybe the charging wires had worn out, only to find out it’s the actual controller that just won’t charge anymore. Anyone else have these issues with brand new ps5 controllers or do I just have the worst luck ever?
weird i've had that opposite. After going thru so many ds4 controllers switched to a ds5, and still on my first. No problems so far and almost had it a year. No stick drift, defects, or malfunctions. Could be luck I guess.
The Xbox 360 was better on wired connection by design which is probably where PlayStation users are assuming the same but over time wireless has sped up a LOT. There was a 20% decrease in latency from Xbox 360 to Xbox One for example. Same as monitor latency has dropped back from CRT to plasma and then TFT etc. My old Pioneer plasma was awful playing games like COD for example.
That's a lie tbh, I'm not the only one that has felt a difference in the wired connection and I believe a couple other RUclipsrs tested it before and it was proven to be faster
I noticed it makes more of a difference when you are using wired headphones connected to the controller, for some reason it would make the controller really laggy but that was fixed with a wired connection
Using usb cable communication setting is an important thing for some gamers maybe even for most as we don't have to charge controllers while using this setting so the idea that it can cause issues like increasing input lag should absolutely be considered absurd even if it is true
My biggest gripe is they stuck with the smooth raised edge thumbs sticks and my fingers slip right off of them. There is a slight gap because right next to the ridge is a depression and they are too smooth. Not good for sweaty hand people. My fingers stay on ps3 controllers better because i grip different and it kind of rolls to edge of thumb a bit when angled or my thumb slips off easier. Ps3 grips are much better. I go back and forth alot between my ps3 and ps4. And to be honest i like the lightness of the ps3 and the fact my hands are a bit closer together. Fills more comfy.
I had some really bad stick drift on my dualsense. My player camera would randomly jerk to the right in games. I started using it as a wired connection and haven't had any problem since. Its been about 2 months since this fixed the issue.
@@albozlive3923 To be fair I had the controller for over a year with a lot of heavy use. The fact that plugging it in fixed the issue was great. I never not had any stick drift on my controllers after a while whether it was my Xbox or Playstation .
Playstation 4 controller input lag while plugged in was likely due to it charging while transmitting. The ps5 could have found a way to get around the limitation.
this is wrong. You actually get less input lag on the dual sense when wired. There are a few videos about it and i can tell the difference from wired and non wired. There is definitely less delay when wired
I heard about this before, but from my personal expierence wired allways been the way to play. In shooters on ps4 I felt it was more responsive than via bluetooth. And also none of my friends ever said that its better on bluetooth, but otherwise...
This advice is for someone that has no clue on using a PS5 I only use the cable on PS5 for essential updates for the controller as it cannot be done without you connecting the cable from the console to the controller.
I don't know I didn't notice no difference I've noticed that the further you you are away from your PS4 the more way huge amount of lag you're going to get but if I just stay close to my TV have my controller plugged in I don't know what I'm losing I feel like it works faster and then I don't have to charge it
In the beginning of ps4 i had almost 0.3 seconds of delay between the ps4 pro and the controller, then i found that one of the things making it have that delay was rhe WiFi channels that were being used which some were the same as the ps4 and other were just a bit difference. PS4 uses Bluetooth on same frequency that channel 6 from WiFi, so if you use a channel 1 or 11, 12 or 13 you won't have issues. Also today's tva you have to use gamer mode on the tv so it doesn't increase the lag, it actually works a lot . PS5 has the same issue as the Bluetooth is the same , whatever version the Bluetooth has it works on the same frequency. Everything you use with wireless whether is by WiFi or Bluetooth you will have lot of interfere for a playstation controller and even many of the drones with wifi that use the same channels or frequencies, you have to change channels on wifi. Every Bluetooth device is a menace for playstation controllers. Headphones, ear buds, smartwatches, phones with Bluetooth connected to a device and etc
I use a USB connection when my headphones are plugged in because it gives a better audio experience. With bluetooth, I noticed some dropped audio, like the connection wasn't clear. This doesn't happen with USB. The only reason I plug in my controller
Not sure about this... I occasionally have terrible input lag when playing via bluetooth on PS5. Everything is fine until select moments where inputs don't register, are delayed, or are read as long inputs rather than short ones. Once I plug it in, however, it never happens, and the controls actually feel more in tune. But perhaps this issue for me is more about an inconsistent connection rather than persistent subtle lag throughout the play session.
If you read the comments, there is a fair few pointing out a flaw in testing method in video. Maybe not as clearly as this but basically, the video states that wireless has faster poling rate vs USB and backs it up using benchmarks made by someone who tested compared the latency. Now none of this is in theory super wrong and yes for sure not considering interference at all, a 4x poling rate on wireless should feel much smoother but the benchmarking was likely only done in one location with somewhat controlled amount of interference. Like in a larger building with only a few or no close sources of interference or just luckily tested it at time of day where there wasnt as much interference and or no massive spikes in interference. All wireless technology has the same issues, its very susceptible to interference and tehre are probably many more sources of interference than you ever considered. Like simply having a microwave turned on in a house can totally disconnect a wifi connection in the right scenario like being in path between *modem/router* and pc or close to either in general. Then theres interference from other bluetooth devices on same frequency and even devices on other frequencies both directly if signal bounces shift frequency to range close to bluetooth and indirectly due to the frequencies emitted by wireless devices is designed to be kept within a range but often spills into other frequencies a little. So even if polling rate is faster when in wireless mode and the wireless has been designed to be very low latency or just as low as wired USB, then all that goes out the window if the latency through the wireless part is spiking or consistently higher due to interference then USB will be faster/better/smoother.
I noticed this myself when playing around in DS4Windows with DS4 - as it shows the input lag. Funny thing is - in DS4Win you can increase the polling rate for BT from the default one (at the cost of battery drain)
I’m not an experienced tech guy, but my bet is that the PS4 controllers are likely trying to juggle both charging and sending/receiving information, that and the fact it’s a physical connection between controller and console (an example is that I had I teacher in middle school try to call a friend in Alaska and experienced a severe latency of a few seconds of silence between everyone’s responses). Plus, there’s about a decade of technological advancements between the two consoles, for all we know it could be the console’s fault and not the controller.
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@Armando Aranda this!!! And it’s annoying because some new features i hate them
Didn't know this was even a thing. The lag for me happens from my brain to my fingers 🤣🤣🤣
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Same, how th do people even notice input lag, its in miliseconds! I play xbox 360 games at 20 fps and never felt input lag
The polling rate for USB on DS4 is 1/4 that of Bluetooth.
I’m a programmer and I made a mod menu for PS4 and PS5 controllers and was astounded to discover this, as it was obvious on games like Mortal Kombat. Bluetooth inputs would capture 4 times as many frames as wired inputs
I’m using a ps5 controller on pc how can I reduce input delay?
@@Obeygods.92 use a cable and you wont have any input delay
The Bluetooth on ds4 sucks though and had lag for me especially in the summer on extremely sunny days the controller would randomly go crazy and drop Inputs and do random stuff for like 10 to 20 seconds until it sorted it's self out, I bought a usb cable to use it wired and haven't had a problem since and that was a few years ago
I played Cold War an entire year wired on PS4 ;'(
@Fayetteville NC CBD the mods work with any game, for instance, I programmed L2+Square to perfectly time a KD jumper. I could use any button or combination and I could program it for any jumper
I've always used USB connection, simply because I can't be bothered to charge the controller :) I haven't noticed any problems with input lag.
Same
yeah same works fpr me just fine
I couldn’t beat the final boss of stellar blade without plugging in my controller. There is more lag from the bluetooth connection i feel like. I’m not playing in wired mode just plugging in the controller though.
Thats crazy. I remember when the new dualshock(the one with the light on the touchpad) and PS4Pro were released, it was a featured that wiring the controller would reduce input lag.
Like by some random article, or Sony themselves?
@@cluckendip Sony themselves it was a big deal going from the first set of controllers to the second. This was because the first gen of controllers did not transmit over wired, causing some funny issues in the cod scene
@@cluckendip well, both. It was Just like @theshovl3r said.
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No it wasn’t
Also if you play at 30fps you'll have more input lag as it takes more time to show a frame on display during each second because it has to refresh (or repeat) each frame more times before going to the next frame of animation meaning that since 1 second= 1000 milliseconds you'll get
1. 1000/30fps= 33 milliseconds of delay
2. 1000/60fps=16 to 17 milliseconds of delay
Also on top of that delay caused by the amount of fps, there's the additional delay caused by the controller you use, the display you use as some do more image processing than others which causes even more delay (motion interpolation being the biggest offender), also if you're online your connection plays a role (and a big one at that)
Can anybody tell me if demyansk map is still on vanguard multiplayer cant find it I'm play on medium and never shows UP JUST OTHER maps I like that map please help
I play on 120 fps game mode and PS4 has input lag while my Xbox has none
@@armandoalmazan2960 why don't you just Google it I don't play much so I don't know
@@jce1708a thats a lie cuz PS4 doesn't support 120fps
@@jovannydiazabad6123my Xbox one X does lmao PS4 and PS4 pro sucks ass than
For fellow pc users using a ds4 or dual sense with ds4windows you wanna "edit" your controller profile, then go to the "other" tab and there you shall find the polling rate option where you can max it out at 1ms for the least input delay
Fact. The difference is unbearably noticeable, and I can’t play without it.
Dumb question, but where is this "other" tab?
@@expendable.1 once you click "edit" look to the right of the top part of the picture showing your ds4 and you will see a line of tabs. Click on other. If you still can't find it I recommend you view a RUclips guide on it to familiarize yourself with the program.
@@Rabavilas much obliged thank you
So just one more advantage to add to the long list of advantages for pc users over console users. I can't stand the fact that on Warzone, playststion ams Xbox players are basically forced to cross play with pc players. It's like minor leaguers forced to play with major leaguers.
That was interesting to learn. On a slightly different note, one thing I’m curious about is that when I look up PS5 games on the PS Store and a PS4 version is available, the store acts as if I can’t buy the PS5 version digitally
Hey I don't know if you're still having this issue, but selecting the three dots next to the price should bring up other versions of the game.
That's weird I'm on ps5 and doesn't happen. Of course older games that came out on ps4 are gonna say ps4 unless they upgraded it for ps5
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It’s Been Already 2 Years Since The P5 Came Out & People Still Dont Have It , I Feel Bad 😭😭😭
It came out last year tho
@@alinanisimwanza5248 last year wasn’t 2020
@@Secluzivee it was the end of 2020 so it's ben a year and 3 months not 2 years
@@Secluzivee yeah it was 12,Nov 2020 so its not two years yet.
@@justrumz I'm wrong man😥
It's true that latency isn't noticably different. But the benefit with the cable over wireless is that you will never risk dropping any packets. Which can happen for various reasons. Like being to far away from the console, or having other devices interfere with the signal.
Also with wired you don't have to worry about low battery and having to rush finding a cord in the middle of an online game. Even tho I have a bluetooth dongle for my PC I still played weird for this reason. I also just found out about controller overclocking with PC as well. Also another reason to play weird. Now my PS5 controller has 1ms delay instead of 6ms. I could feel the difference right away.
@@ninjacats200 my ps5 controllers tells me the battery is low 30m before it turns off, so it is not a problem.
I use my dualsense all the time plugged in with usb. But thats ok for the controller? Not going to get fucked up?
@@egttn Nothing is gonna happen to the controller.
@@egttn Keeping the battery topped up when wired will degrade the battery quicker. This goes for any device you may have with lithium-ion batteries.
Input lag is one thing, interference is another. Since the objective is to have a stable low-lag input, they are both just as important. Bluetooth gets the occasional stutter from interference whereas it doesn't happen over USB. This has been my experience on both the PS4 and PS5.
Agreed. My o.g. PS4 was unplayable for about 2 years due to all the wireless interference. Had to hardwire. PS4 was better, probably due to a better card.
Bluetooth better ps4 controlle lower latency .. i only better playing fps game .
From my perspective, it seems they 'fixed' an issue, so now one is able to have the same input lag when charging the controller!
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My PS4 controller has a lot of input lag when playing with a wireless connection. This instantly disappears when I plug it in
Sounds like something else is wrong there then
John Glasscock, I hope you’re during well during this time. Thanks for the videos! I learn new things everyday!
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if you want to further reduce input lag. make sure your TV is set to game mode if you don't have it,
try pc mode.
failing this customise your TV settings to match game mode if you don't know what settings to change Google your TV type followed by the word gaming settings.
Polling/sample rate is different than lag/latency. You'd really need empirical testing to analyze the deterministic and random jitter of both usb and bt to really draw a conclusion.
Indeed, shallow and pedantic yes
Apart from Input latency, there is also AV latency(desynchronization between audio and video).
@@Hawthorne2 Whatever you say, Peter Griffin.
You're quick to the point and I love it. Some cats would spend a half hour explaining
I wonder how much better I would’ve been at BF4 had I known this. I always played with the charging cord thinking it would decrease my input lag. Prob still would’ve been trash lol
A good artist is good even with the worst pencil.
@@jonathaningram8157 and the saying was never proven good.
Finally a video that goes directly to the point, instead of dragging it for 10 minutes with nonsense talk. Thanks!
well the whole video is a lie since this was fixed 5 years ago
I never thought this only because bluetooth has come a very long way from what it used to be. Bluetooth is almost instant nowadays and is a lot better with its reliability. Some people just dont understand that technology gets updated almost every year 😂
There is a caveat, using wireless can result in inconsistent input latency due to interference. It might make sense if you are into latency consistency (e.g. rhythm games) over getting the lowest possible latency. On my ps4 controller which is aging, the bluetooth connection is very weak and it is very easy to see the input signal latency vary wildly when someone walks pass you.
So while in general wireless should result in lower input latency, the downside is the variance and inconsistency of the latency can be detrimental.
There is also latency added by LCDs and gaming monitors(AV latency).
this happens a lot at tournaments
Input delay probably wouldn't be that big of a deal for most rhythm games (well, the ones with latency adjustment anyways)
I thought there was less input delay with wired connection because when I'm playing rhythm games I'm able to press buttons in quick succession with more consistency. There'd be a section with quick triplets and I have to alternate the buttons between each hand, whereas when I use a wired connection I am able to press all three with the same hand
@@k96man NO! It was a BIG Deal,no matter how many time you can configure input delay its still feel doesnt right(Based on my experience with Many Rythm games ranging from Mobile to PC) as for console though i think what SpacedogD said were the most best/worst case of that type of game genre
This is why I have two controllers, I just drop my controller on the charging dock and grab the other one while my main controller is charging (Yes, I use the black one as my main, I only use the white controller when the black one is flat)
I do the exact same thing, including the colors lol
@@steelcity4123 I prefer to use the black one since the white one gets dirty so incredibly fast.
And trust me, I always have clean hands while gaming, since I like to take care of my controllers.
Even the controller that I got with my PS4 in 2016 still looks great and works fine without any stick drift.
@@Kimdah_ I'm the exact same. All of my electronics are mint, I actually didn't realize my white one was getting dirty until I saw a RUclips video on how to clean it. I looked and on the inside of the grips was bad. And my hands are always clean as well, I don't even eat when I'm gaming.... Plus I just really do like the black one better, the white only comes out when the black needs put on the charging dock
You need 2 controllers because the batteries die so fast on these things. Even when it's not using the extra features like the triggers, they die in a very short time compared to other controllers. Kind of annoying, but not bad if you keep 2 on hand.
I prefer the white with my PS myself, it's a nice contrast to the black of the Xbox.
@@steelcity4123 nice, I use the purple controller as my main and white controller as my backup
Thats good info. Ive always assumed it was faster. But i guess the wired connection is only better if you are having interference. When I got my PS5, I quickly noticed that when my controller when near my Bluetooth Motorola baby monitor, both the controller and monitor would lose connection and go into their respective pairing states. Unfortunately I can't use the Bluetooth 😢
I have also noticed that when the microwave is running, connections throughout the house get patchy. I've looked it up and even some government experiments had this problem for 50 years before realizing that the interference they were seeing was just the microwave from the lunch area lol
Useful info, thanks! Ill be sure to remember this when I am able to get a ps5 in 2030
Whilst what you say is true, I still wouldn't recommend Bluetooth at least for the PS5.
When measuring average input delay, USB is extremely consistent and seldom deviates from its average. Wireless on the other hand has a higher average, with lots of high peaks. Rocket Science's RUclips channel tested this.
So on PS4 you're effectively making a trade off between responsiveness and consistency. It depends what you play. If you're executing repeated actions and to be as consistent as possible, like say playing Rocket League at a high Rank, you may want to use USB. For a game that doesn't solely rely on mechanics but does benefit from speed like CoD, playing Bluetooth may be best.
On PS5 the polling rate appears to be the same between both input methods, which makes USB a no brainer especially if you're playing at a desk. You get the fastest input and extremely consistent input together.
As a ps5 owner I can confirm it makes no difference if you use the controller wired or Bluetooth both input methods are the same for the system. Who ever did the in-depth analysis for it is spot on . You can play the controllers wired or Bluetooth it wouldn’t make an difference while on PS4 controllers there’s a significant sudden change . I personally would recommend using Bluetooth on the ps5 as it’s more improved compared to PS4 and the input lag is just the same as if you played wired no matter what.
@@NewOldie USB still has an advantage in consistency. I recommend anyone serious into competitive games to use USB.
@@campersruincod6134 i know logically wired should work better but in this case it’s legit no difference ima take the guy who did the math and analysis himself word for it compared to a random who like me still assumed wired is better. Wired is always better but again in this case its little to no difference at all even with competitive gaming on a ps5.
@@campersruincod6134 don’t get me wrong lol this entire time I’ve been play rainbow wired on the ps5 I personally can’t tell the difference as well but again maybe a wired ps5 controller will still be better if there ever is one that isn’t third party ya know?
@@NewOldie huh? Did you not read a single thing I've typed? It's already been tested that USB measures more consistently than wireless. Watch Rocket Science's video. More in depth than anything you will find on this channel.
That's really weird because I experienced input lag on my PS5 wired and Bluetooth, especially during demons souls.
I never had input lag on my playstation 5
Thanks for using Spyro to clear up this issue John! Seeing the little purple dragon made me smile.
didn't know that changing the "image" option to game could change something else beside of image! 🤯
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Actually I had to buy a ps5 bundle with a game and a second controller. I hated it at first now I am thankful cuz I can always change one while using the other one so comfortable. No cables anymore love it
This is the way
@@crazykenbei You know the wae?
As a PlayStation guy I wish they would make a controller in the Xbox configuration for the PlayStation. It’s way better.
What is more interesting is, that cable connection is more reliable in the variance of your input latency. As far as I remember two times (still very low) from measurements I saw
So Why is duelsense edge recommended to play wired then ?
This doesn't even really feel that important though. On wired the input delay is unnoticeable and if you're using something like a controller that 1 extra frame isn't gonna do anything.
input lag on consoles are almost always a low voltage issue. too many things on the same circuit. get a surgeprotector with a long cord or extension cord and plug ps5/ w/e into an outlet on another circuit. presto the bluetooth has enough juice to stay connected!
Dead zone needs to be adjusted in whatever game you're playing. You want to set deadzone to its lowest point and your remote will respond quicker when moving around.
its called a controller not a remote...
your proof is someone said its slower . why dont you prove it
He explained the reason..💀🤡
@@gabrielebrusa4368thats not proof
He’s wrong 🤡
@@minitaazul1248 source?
What you don’t believe it and just read the replies
Are we going to talk about the stick drift With most PS5 controllers, especially the newer colored controllers.
This was already an issue since day one, I have 2 (white) controllers and they are still working perfectly fine so I consider my self lucky.
out of all the ps5s I have and there used everyday for over a year and not one controller issue and I now own all the different color controllers and no issue there either plus I don't know anyone that does and that's 17 others with ps5
No stick drift at all for me neither
Same, but I put my PS5 controller back in the wrapper and box it came with, so no dust at all will get into the remote. Haven't had no drift.
Had my ps5 since a week after launch and bought an extra controller and I have had zero problems.
Conclusion : no Conclusion
Rocket science made a video of this. I recommend putting it in the description
how does he find all these
Short video and straight to the point that's why i love your content keep it up
Wait, how do you know this???
remember, PS1 is just 4 generations behind PS5, but it feels like they're centuries apart
I have never had input lag in my entire life
Everyone does on console dude
@@Justin-fn4ux then I guess I just have very very little
iv know about this for awhile now . actually i think you did a vid in the past about this though i could be mistaken . I however switched over to series x from ps5 and after using many pro controllers i settled on the victrix gamibit pro . by far the most responsive controller i have ever played with and it is wired . so idk why sony went this route with their controllers. and if im being honest those dualsense are the reason i switched to xbox . spent over 300 dollars on controllers in the 1st 3 months on the ps5.
battery life on DualSense is also a complete joke if you're serious about gaming lol.
Wired connection on the ps5 controller is better for reducing input lag trust me especially on fps games
When you have headphones connected to the controller, it'll sound better if plugged in by the cable
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Can you provide proofs?
I can say with years of rocket league playing, this is simply not the case for my usage. I notice much more consistent and fluid experience when wired. Not the either are bad, but I can instantly notice a difference when I plug in my controller. The science here isn’t matching my experience.
Maybe in your case wireless interference dominates, hence wired seems better.
@@onurzrhl2859 Making this video meaningless
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Imagine not being able to wait until your controller is charged to play a game and using the short cord they supply 😂
I've always used blue tooth bc the inputs always just felt smoother and had better reaction times
Thanks, I'm really glad to know this information. I don't play plugged anyways but now I don't feel like I'm at a disadvantage for strictly going wireless so for that reason this video is amazing. :)
still doesn't fix Elden Ring's dodge roll lol
I LOVE that ending "P-P-P, PEACE!"
I play RocketLeague on PS5 and playing with a usb cord is a massive improvement. There is more input lag and weird motions when playing via bluetooth. I don’t think anyone could win a game above diamond rank without a cable connection. Maybe you used the wrong cable.
I dunno, the original standard USB "polling rate" on a PC is 250 ms, which can be upped to 1,000 ms in newer hardware.
In almost all gaming mice, wired is better than wireless, as bluetooth does have to have error correction and multichannel rejection.
Not true at all about gaming mice. Many youtubers have done latency tests on them now and a number of wireless mice are actually faster then wired. Beardedbob Optimum Tech, Rocket Jump ninja. Hell even Linus tech tips did a video a couple YEARS ago and showed they were Just as fast if not faster.
you’re wrong about input lag being worse through usb on past gen consoles. Digital Foundry specifically tested this in Uncharted and found that wired usb had a better input lag than wireless bluetooth. Polling rate does not equal overall input lag, it is just a measurement of how many times in an interval does the signal update, it has nothing to do with how fast that signal is received and processed which are also major components of overall input lag.
I already new this. It’s also the same with using a wireless controller on pc as well
Never thought about it this much was to busy thinking which game to play next 😂
The wire has faster input lag in older PS4 controllers models.
It was only the newest models what don't work.
Obviously when I use the wire connection it's not automatic.
You've got to go in the settings and switch it to wired connection.
From Bluetooth connection.
If not you will be charging the battery and using Bluetooth.
You didn't mention that there will be people thinking it's automatic when plugging wire in.
This may just be my experience, but I will put money on the fact that stick drift was an issue with wireless connection on PS5 but was not when wired. The only reason I play wired really.
nah stick drift was just a known fault with the gyro im always wired and i had one get stick drift within a week, they have rectified the issue in the latest ones tho
@@808nemec Can you explain how it was an issue with the gyro? That doesn’t make much sense to me since the gyro is not used to aim in 99% of games.
The issue is just dirt and dust that slipped under the stick. You can sort of temporarily fix it by blowing air in the side of the stick. Most of the time the dust is too deep for any air to make a difference so you would have to take the controller apart which most people don’t want to do so they either buy a new one or forever complain about stick drift.
@@saulmartinez7480 yaaawn not another one that cant google! . (yea i got the word wrong for the thing in the lil box that makes up the stick) BUT its a known issue that has nothing to do with dirt geez some come out of the box with drift lol but hey heres a lil vid on the model that they have fixed the issue ruclips.net/video/C05h9ktbDao/видео.html need more just google known duelsense faults lol
@@808nemec Gyro has nothing to do with the potentiometers in the analog sticks that cause stick drift. Try again.
@@crisnmaryfam7344 yup that was the word I was looking for ( already said I used the wrong word) but point is the same an correct
1 of the few times I'm thankful for recommendations, I'll keep this tip in mind thank you 🙏
You're overlooking THE biggest part of this. Consistency. Using a wired connection will allow you to play almost lag free. Using wireless, the actual timing might be the same, but you can get highs and lows with wireless.
Fact: Wireless < Wired.
The dualsense has its own problems, that for being a crappy controller, breaks very easily.
Stick drift, r2 button lose etc.
Im on my second controller right now.
how about you stop raging and throwing your controller? literally have not heard one person complain about that, and considering it’s the best built playstation controller too? yeah buddy, maybe you need to relax while playing
@@J.Gainez I've had most of the issues he's stated bro.
Also, why are you telling him to relax? Why did you get so defensive over a piece of plastic?
@@anthonyvincente7907 because i’ve never heard of anybody else having those problems, to me it sounds like he rages and throws his controller, or he doesn’t keep his hands clean, idk, i’ve had every single playstation controller, this is the best built controller, i wasn’t getting defensive, im saying what he’s saying doesn’t make sense, if you’re claiming these controllers aren’t built good, then go get a 1000 dollar controller or go play xbox, from my experience they’re slightly built better, if your controller is breaking in less than a year you guys are doing something wrong
@@J.Gainez that logic isn't exactly sound my guy. He never said he did any of this and we have no proof that he does that. My controller is *just* under a year and I do experience stick drift. And I work a lot so I don't play very much. My friend also had stick drift out of the box. Truthfully, they use the same sticks as Xbox, ps4, and Nintendo switch. It's just natural for this to happen. There was no need on your end to be so condescending of a person you don't know.
I’d like to see a video on why ps5 controllers only seem to last a month or two before some type of defect sets in. I haven’t even had my ps5 a year yet and I’m on my 4th controller. The first controller out of no where got serious stick drag. Then I had two of them have the same problem with the charging port. I bought new wires thinking maybe the charging wires had worn out, only to find out it’s the actual controller that just won’t charge anymore. Anyone else have these issues with brand new ps5 controllers or do I just have the worst luck ever?
Dude same here man!!!!! 4th controller in 1 year !
@@kevincruz2674 it’s insane
weird i've had that opposite. After going thru so many ds4 controllers switched to a ds5, and still on my first. No problems so far and almost had it a year. No stick drift, defects, or malfunctions. Could be luck I guess.
You have the worst luck ever or need to stop throwing your controllers.
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The Xbox 360 was better on wired connection by design which is probably where PlayStation users are assuming the same but over time wireless has sped up a LOT. There was a 20% decrease in latency from Xbox 360 to Xbox One for example. Same as monitor latency has dropped back from CRT to plasma and then TFT etc. My old Pioneer plasma was awful playing games like COD for example.
Thanks for making this now i know what to do for input lag!
That's a lie tbh, I'm not the only one that has felt a difference in the wired connection and I believe a couple other RUclipsrs tested it before and it was proven to be faster
I noticed it makes more of a difference when you are using wired headphones connected to the controller, for some reason it would make the controller really laggy but that was fixed with a wired connection
@@ethanortiz5249 because the controller had to transfer a lot of data and Bluetooth is trash lol
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Using usb cable communication setting is an important thing for some gamers maybe even for most as we don't have to charge controllers while using this setting so the idea that it can cause issues like increasing input lag should absolutely be considered absurd even if it is true
@pınned by John Glasscock I think you are not the real john glasscock
Let's just appreciate how clean his dualshock 4 is !
My biggest gripe is they stuck with the smooth raised edge thumbs sticks and my fingers slip right off of them. There is a slight gap because right next to the ridge is a depression and they are too smooth. Not good for sweaty hand people. My fingers stay on ps3 controllers better because i grip different and it kind of rolls to edge of thumb a bit when angled or my thumb slips off easier. Ps3 grips are much better. I go back and forth alot between my ps3 and ps4. And to be honest i like the lightness of the ps3 and the fact my hands are a bit closer together. Fills more comfy.
I had some really bad stick drift on my dualsense. My player camera would randomly jerk to the right in games. I started using it as a wired connection and haven't had any problem since. Its been about 2 months since this fixed the issue.
Better buy a Xbox Controller
@@albozlive3923 why buy shit?
@@albozlive3923 To be fair I had the controller for over a year with a lot of heavy use. The fact that plugging it in fixed the issue was great. I never not had any stick drift on my controllers after a while whether it was my Xbox or Playstation .
i am just glad i am on pc where i dont have such weaknesses like stick drift normaly
Who plays wired anyway?
Needs do
Nerds*
I'm pretty sure Sony fixed this problem with a software update a long time ago
Playstation 4 controller input lag while plugged in was likely due to it charging while transmitting. The ps5 could have found a way to get around the limitation.
this is wrong. You actually get less input lag on the dual sense when wired. There are a few videos about it and i can tell the difference from wired and non wired. There is definitely less delay when wired
Your wrong
sony stated that at release, no difference
@@octavianalexandrumelicescu9038 stated that you get less lag wired?
@@octavianalexandrumelicescu9038 wym no difference lmao there are tests to prove it
I can vouch for this, wired is more responsive.
Y'all are worried about milliseconds of lag? Y'all need to put the controller down and leave the house 💀
Never noticed any input lag on ps4 controllers
I heard about this before, but from my personal expierence wired allways been the way to play. In shooters on ps4 I felt it was more responsive than via bluetooth. And also none of my friends ever said that its better on bluetooth, but otherwise...
"we were all wrong about this"
Me who never thought about this way...
Guess I'm just built different
I would've needed to believe that in the first place, to be wrong.
Checkmate.
That explains alot about what my wired PS4 controller is doing then ..midway through watching a video it rewinds it's self
Minor issue in MLB The Show when you go to swing at a pitch.
Evidently, this man loves his Spyro games. Awesome, though!
But we also need to understand that the front Usb-a port has normal speed but the back Usb ports are Usb superspeed.
The thumbnail be like “don’t charge your controller”
I've never noticed any lag with my controllers
Isn't it bad for the battery life to play with the wired controller constantly?
This advice is for someone that has no clue on using a PS5 I only use the cable on PS5 for essential updates for the controller as it cannot be done without you connecting the cable from the console to the controller.
I don't know I didn't notice no difference I've noticed that the further you you are away from your PS4 the more way huge amount of lag you're going to get but if I just stay close to my TV have my controller plugged in I don't know what I'm losing I feel like it works faster and then I don't have to charge it
In the beginning of ps4 i had almost 0.3 seconds of delay between the ps4 pro and the controller, then i found that one of the things making it have that delay was rhe WiFi channels that were being used which some were the same as the ps4 and other were just a bit difference. PS4 uses Bluetooth on same frequency that channel 6 from WiFi, so if you use a channel 1 or 11, 12 or 13 you won't have issues. Also today's tva you have to use gamer mode on the tv so it doesn't increase the lag, it actually works a lot . PS5 has the same issue as the Bluetooth is the same , whatever version the Bluetooth has it works on the same frequency. Everything you use with wireless whether is by WiFi or Bluetooth you will have lot of interfere for a playstation controller and even many of the drones with wifi that use the same channels or frequencies, you have to change channels on wifi. Every Bluetooth device is a menace for playstation controllers. Headphones, ear buds, smartwatches, phones with Bluetooth connected to a device and etc
I use a USB connection when my headphones are plugged in because it gives a better audio experience. With bluetooth, I noticed some dropped audio, like the connection wasn't clear. This doesn't happen with USB. The only reason I plug in my controller
Not sure about this... I occasionally have terrible input lag when playing via bluetooth on PS5. Everything is fine until select moments where inputs don't register, are delayed, or are read as long inputs rather than short ones. Once I plug it in, however, it never happens, and the controls actually feel more in tune. But perhaps this issue for me is more about an inconsistent connection rather than persistent subtle lag throughout the play session.
If you read the comments, there is a fair few pointing out a flaw in testing method in video. Maybe not as clearly as this but basically, the video states that wireless has faster poling rate vs USB and backs it up using benchmarks made by someone who tested compared the latency. Now none of this is in theory super wrong and yes for sure not considering interference at all, a 4x poling rate on wireless should feel much smoother but the benchmarking was likely only done in one location with somewhat controlled amount of interference. Like in a larger building with only a few or no close sources of interference or just luckily tested it at time of day where there wasnt as much interference and or no massive spikes in interference.
All wireless technology has the same issues, its very susceptible to interference and tehre are probably many more sources of interference than you ever considered. Like simply having a microwave turned on in a house can totally disconnect a wifi connection in the right scenario like being in path between *modem/router* and pc or close to either in general. Then theres interference from other bluetooth devices on same frequency and even devices on other frequencies both directly if signal bounces shift frequency to range close to bluetooth and indirectly due to the frequencies emitted by wireless devices is designed to be kept within a range but often spills into other frequencies a little.
So even if polling rate is faster when in wireless mode and the wireless has been designed to be very low latency or just as low as wired USB, then all that goes out the window if the latency through the wireless part is spiking or consistently higher due to interference then USB will be faster/better/smoother.
I noticed this myself when playing around in DS4Windows with DS4 - as it shows the input lag. Funny thing is - in DS4Win you can increase the polling rate for BT from the default one (at the cost of battery drain)
I had no idea that was the case. I thought it was the opposite 😂 thank you for the tip! Very good to know 😁
I’m not an experienced tech guy, but my bet is that the PS4 controllers are likely trying to juggle both charging and sending/receiving information, that and the fact it’s a physical connection between controller and console (an example is that I had I teacher in middle school try to call a friend in Alaska and experienced a severe latency of a few seconds of silence between everyone’s responses). Plus, there’s about a decade of technological advancements between the two consoles, for all we know it could be the console’s fault and not the controller.
I experienced increased latency as the battery gets lower
The thumbnail makes it look like your saying "don't charge your controllers" lmfao
Why even bother about this its not that much of a difference if you treat your controller normally