Here's a tip from an old(er) person :) In the 70s/80s we were tracking mosts instruments as hot as possible, due to the signal/noise ratio. But with the (very important) exception of high freq. instruments. Anolog saturation sounds great, but NOT on hh and cymbals. We would track those with plenty of headroom. If your plugins emulates real analog gear, you should also implement good analog recording practice. Record your low-end content as hot as posible and your high-end with plenty of headroom. Another point: If you are trying to recreate the 60s or early 70s sound you should probably process 4-8 busses/ gruops rather than individual instruments. In those days 4 track tape machines was what most engineers had to work with.
I prefer an analogue buss set up too. I was fortunate to use analogue gear before it went out of fashion, there are definatley things I don't miss about it 😉
There's no real advantage in tracking hot with digital, in some cases it can be detrimental as those cheap preamps on those cheap interface produce more noise when cranked, not to mention background noise when recording at home.
@@effector3659 Sorry if my reply was so unclear that it could lead to that misunderstanding. I am not advocating for tracking anything hot digitally. I’m talking about how much of an analog saturation effect you would add to different types of instruments to emulate 70-80s sound. Back then it was good practice to track low range instruments as hot as possible. So you should not apply the same amount of “effect” to all instruments. Fun fact: back when digital recording became standard with 16bit/ 44.khz devices, like ADAT and DAT recorders, It was not uncommon to see recommendations for tracking quite hot digitally as well, in order to make full use of the limited resolution. But with today's standard you should absolutely leave plenty of “digital” headroom
Such a comprehensive and useful tutorial. Thanks a lot! Here's a guide to navigate through: 0:00 Explains the fundamentals of analog routing 9:17 The mix before and after the analog emulation processing Processing the raw tracks before mixing: 10:52 Stage 1 - the analog preamp 12:49 Stage 2 - the analog tracking board 14:12 Stage 3 - the tracking tape 15:05 Stage 4 - the analog mixing board Processing the main bus after mixing: 18:35 Stage 5 - analog summing channel 20:00 Stage 6 - the master tape 22:34 Going bankrupt is not necessary, give Airwindows plugins a try (thanks to Tracy Blair for the tip) My greatest conceptual takeaway: the analog-sounding result won't come from just one tweak at some point of the signal chain, but from the combination of many subtle effects along the chain.
@@WriteJus Came here to talk about this, stage one and two are a bit misleading without more explanation. Many studios, if they have a quality desk, will go straight into the desk, and therefore the sound of the desk IS the sound of the preamp and vice versa (as well as the sound of the EQ and dynamics section, if engaged). However, some studios have cheaper desks, or just a lot of outboard gear, and will run mics to outboard pres, and then route those pres to their desk. The video is misleading in this, because it routes a Neve pre to a Neve board emu. This is unnecessary and does not mimic real life (the equivalent of plugging a mic into a standalone 1073, then routing it into an 8068). TL;DR: If you have a channel strip emulator that has a preamp section, skip step one unless you're looking to route specific tracks to specific pres.
I really need to go through your channel and start from your beginner level videos. You are very consistent, concise, and informative in every video. Great content man!
Harrisson Mixbus 32C v6. The DAW that emulates the complete famous recording desk incl e.q. 3 types of compression and mixbus tape saturation. I use it for a year or so and it's great! Free demo!
Excellent presentation, FINALLY someone who 'gets' it ! What you didn't mention was the inclusion of a spectrum analyzer to track the buildup of thermal noise and harmonics. That buildup adds a lot of character to the analogue signal. I created a 6SN7GT tube plugin with correct harmonics AND thermal noise. I add one in each preamp input, just like nature intended. To really get the correct emulation, you can drive every piece of outboard gear with such a tube since all the old gear was tube driven or transistor driven. Transistors have a 'colder' sound though, and I haven't bothered to emulate one for that reason. Transformers were used extensively in the vintage gear and their phase shift adds to the overall effect. Every preamp should include input AND output transformers, as should busses, etc. Tape machines back in the day ran with a -70 dB noise floor, and that added to the overall effect. Once again, a spectrum analyzer would bear this out. It would be interesting to see if these commercial plugins live up to their promise, and a spectrum analyzer would gear that out. Thank you for posting this video, you really got it right. Bill P.
Yo brother, do I have to export first to get that analog sound? For example, I use britson bus, and britson channel, I have 3 individual hihats which goes to a group, I throw the britson bus on the group, then, the Briton channel on individual hihats, then export them, and it's only now that I have the real processed sound? Thanks for helping me. Sorry if I didn't make myself clear brother
@@Its24KARAT The Britson bus plugin is supposed to emulate the Neve 8014 console from the early 1970s. There is no "real processed sound", every console sounds a bit different, etc. This discussion could fill volumes. What I'd suggest is that you do a mix with the emulators in, then the same mix without. Try different plugin setups, etc., until you arrive at a sound that you like. You can even run the finished mix through a Pultec emulator with the settings flat, just to add that Pultec sound. That was done decades ago in the analog world, no kidding ! Keep us posted, Bill P.
@@RocknRollkat In fact, I just love the way the mix feel, Do you the Rave culture channel? Will all the big BIG ROOM Artist, odd you could talk a look, just listen quickly 2-3 tracks, you will notice their mix feel spacious. Can you see and let me know if they achieve this by analog summing? You seem experienced that's why im asking brother 👍🏻
@@Its24KARAT The best plugins are the ones you like. I'm serious. Let's say that you go to a studio with an all-out API console, and you don't like the way it sounds. There's your answer !
More inclusive to start with basics - catering for more people with a wide range of levels of understanding. Good that you give times to FF to. An index in a book to turn to...Anyone read a book lately?
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Well, I didn't know that stuff and I found the intro quite useful. But I appreciate having time tags in videos to skip forward aswell.
For anyone rreading this now - there's TONS of FREE plugins from Analog Obsession that emulate lots of old school analog gear. Perfect for doing this without spending a penny.
i've been messing with analogue desks, outboard and recording since '87, and only been working ITB since 2016... If you really want that analogue feel with your DAW, sonically IMHO, Airwindows is where it's at... start with ~ Channel6, BussColors4, ToTape5, FromTape, ClipOnly, NC-17, Density, Logical4, Pressure4, VariMu and CStrip.
As a MOAM subscriber and big fan, I came here to say that this is one of my favorite videos you guys have ever put up. Your work is only getting better and better and it is so helpful to amateur mixers working to improve their skills and demystify a pretty opaque art form. Cheers!
Great video! Also consider including multiple passes through tape, as engineers had to fit tracks onto 8/16/24track recorders. That limited real estate forced engineers to buss tracks together like : 1) All the drums and the bass to 2 track 2) the guitars to 2 tracks and so forth. That means running the sounds through multiple passes of tape and console summing to accommodate the sessions as they progressed. I think mimicking this process will get you even closer to the sounds that remind us of the 60's & 70's. In the 80's, digital machines like the Otari Dtr90, the Mitsubishi x-850 and Sony pcm 3324 allowed engineers to make "perfect" slave reels to run off of during overdub and mixing, creating a much cleaner production style. It was also around that time the first mass produced CD's became available. So moving from destructive comping due to multiple tape/console passes, released on vinyl, to cleaner digital machines, more track real estate and the first primitive CD's, created the now common trope of "harsh digital". But when you go from gooey tape compression, saturation from both console and vinyl playback, sure, everything will sound harsh in comparison. I think it took time for the engineers to adjust to the new technology and for the consumers as well. Amazing now to able to use both technologies as an artistic expression, rather than a limitation! Sorry for the lecture :)
So in essence you'd have different elements in your mix all down to seperate two tracks and then back into the master bus? so itd be like grouping your vocals, sending it to a two track so it gets exported into a stereo track back into your mix and then that stereo track gets sent to your master bus so itd be going through two forms of master tape so to say?
@@devoyefolkes6446 Exactly. Everything time you'd want to open up space for new tracks, you'd have to commit other tracks, mixing them down from, say, 6 tracks to one or two, maybe even with their associated effects, like delays, reverbs, passing them through additional tape simulation.
This is what I love about having a UA Apollo interface - I can bake most of the sound I want into my tracks during the tracking stage. I typically go through the Neve 1073 Unison preamp then sometimes API 560 EQ and occasionally the Studer or Oxide tape plugins. Saves a ton of backend time on mixing. I have the UAD Pultec, Vertigo VSM-3 and Ampex ATR-102 on my 2-buss as my default template for every mix as well.
I enjoy your practices for sure….Ive been recording since 1998 and I have my own ways of doing things….one thing I’ve learned throughout the years is that on a daw it’s really all about the compression in the end…..if you wanna make a track sound like it’s deeper or further away in the mix then slow down the release….more up front then speed up the release. I use to view the stereo field as more of a left to right type of thing. As the years went on I started seeing it as a front to back and left to right type of thing. Compression is the key for that. Eq is is to keep all your sounds outta the way of each other. Tape emulation is cool but it’s not like real tape saturation to me. You have done a good job at emulating that 70’s or 60’s sound but it’s more to do with the instruments you’ve used. I get that you can add the hiss and hum sounds to the recording but other than that those emulators aren’t adding much of anything…..
Without = Flat With = Dynamic, Bright and all the GOOD things pop out This is the best method I've ever done when mixing... with the way that I produce I can literally throw these on, add basic EQ and compression and just adjust the levels and then its done!
This was very well laid out and explained. I've been using saturation and analog emulation plugins for a while now. This definitely helps me set them up more effectively. This is my first time watching your channel. It won't be my last. Thanks!
I literally just woke up from a nap, and clicked on this video from watching your other videos and I am just in time for the live webinar! got my note pad ready, closed all the tabs and everyone else is asleep! ready for the livestream
Excellent. If like myself your on this journey. Watch it twenty times if needs must...A lot of information packed in this small video. Many thanks for your effort in creating and sharing your knowledge.
You know crazy about this video. I literally just performed this same task using my MPC X except for I used the 3 preamp’s and slate digital console. Then made audio Steem into Protools. Omg. The sound quality I literally scare me half to death I’m like oh my god this is crazy audio sound nice warm and steamy.
Am I mistaken or there is the same step two times? He is using the preamp of a console (Neve 1073), and after that, he is also using the preamp of another plugin (Virtual channel). In real life, the preamp is actually part of the tracking board. After gain staging, it goes straight to tape.
not always for example I was in an analog Studio and we recorded the bass with this chain 1. Neve preamp 2. Compressor 3. EQ 4. Mixing Board (ChannelStrip) 5. Studer (Tape) 6. Mixing Board (ChannelStrip) 7. Computer Its more about picking the right preamp for the instrument but I think its better to just use one Channelstrip
I have to take the time and say THANK YOU and keep doing what you're doing!! Your video is GREAT and well needed! The way you went in depth and detail is impressive and you explained it in a clear and concise way! Great job!! I'm subscribed!👍🏾💪🏾💯
This is a really cool and helpful video. I generally follow these rules but a few details really helped my workflow. Inspired me to set up API, Neve tests this way, and a and b-ing tracks recorded through them. Thanks y'all
Great video! Thanks! For anyone out there that wants to get tape machine emulations, you can get a tracking tape machine and mastering tape machine both in the Slate Virtual Tape Machine. You can get 2 emulations for the price of 1.
Great video, Dylan! I have quite a few analog emulation type of plugins, but I never knew how best to use them. I can't wait to go back to one of my mixes with this approach in mind and see what I can do!
Love this idea, no harm in trying it out either ! Classic albums have been constantly remastered to be louder now too.You should listen to the classic music so yr ears already are used to that sound.
I use hardware to track, and then plugins to mix. When you track through a great mic preamp and a few nice compressors you have the warmth and or the grit you need already just from using hardware. There's nothing that compares with tracking through hardware.
Great video, but was wondering - Isn't the UA 1073 plug-in technically a preamp and tracking board (channel strip) combined? I ask because they do offer the 1073 as a separate preamp only. The extra tracking board in step 2 seems redundant if the 1073 is used in step 1.
@burkes - No, it’s not necessarily redundant because often people use an external colorful preamp/channel strip outside of the plain sounding tracking console/channel strip they have. And the point is, you may very well want all of the saturation/color as possible. Not to mention you may want to use the “clean” eq and/or compressor from the extra board.
@@williamk6605 But then, when using an external preamp, do you leave the preamp of the tracking board in zero db, right? You don't usually gain stage twice, do you?
Great video. One thing is a bit unclear, though: Where in the process does the actual mixing of the song take place (eq, dynamics, reverb etc.)? The simple answer would be: After step 4 and the bouncing. BUT that raises another consideration: The analog saturation from the mixing board signal flow (all the way from input to output) is already baked in, so if you continue from here, you would either have to mix the baked in tracks with your native Logic gear (eq, dynamics etc.) OR use further analogue plugins, but that would mean MORE analogue signal flow than in a real analogue world, especially if you were to mix it in an SSL channel strip, using its dynamics and eq. It would be SSL mixing board with SSL mixing board added. Therefore, the bouncing should happen after step 3 (The Tape machine). Then step 4 would be a natural adding of an SSL channel strip or similar analogue mixing board. Or to put it short: The virtual Channel from Slate emulates the full signal flow from input to output of an SSL desk, but not the eq and dynamics in between. I know my argument is probably just pointing out a subtle difference. But subtlety is the main theme of this brilliant tutorial. I get the point of saving CPU-power, but I also find it fair to point out the subtle change of order in the suggested signal flow in the video. Or am I missing a point? Love all your work and videos, guys, at mastering.com
@@moxictasculinity Thx, you confirm my suspicion. :-) Another solution might be to add a very conservative amount of analog hue from each plugin. The more plugins, the less from each. :-)
Interesting. Definitely a noticeable difference. What I don't understand is, why do you need the Slate Virtual Channel, if you're already going through the 1073? You have the pre and the fader which make up the channel in the 1073.
Great video. I will try everything presented in this video. If you put a good set of headphone on, you will understand the essence of this video better. You can definitely hear / almost feel the transition from digital to analog sound. Thanks for sharing 👍🏾
all types of distortion add harmonics. Clipping, or digital distortion, does not take away from the sound, but rather produces only odd harmonics which give it that harsh tone. Other 'smoother' types of distortion, such as tube distortion add 2nd order harmonics.
reverse that, 3rd order harmonics come from analogue stuff, 3rd order being 3rd 5th 7th ect which is more musical naturally, 2nd order harmonics are naturally dissonant and created usually by digital gear
Great stuff, man! Oh man, that just made my mix sound 10x better! Question: What would come on my sub busses (drums, bass, guitars, vocals etc.) and my FX returns? Just the mix board simulation I guess?
If you want to have fun and really see what real analog gear sounds like compared to plug in emulations, go to Access Analog's website and for $5.99 for 30 minutes you can rent a classic or current analog piece of gear run by a robot! Then stream your audio to and from that real gear back into your DAW. Compare that sound with your plug ins. Access Analog makes robots that control real analog racked gear. Pretty cool. I've been testing SSL compressors, or API EQ's, the real things. And the differences are educational at the least, but reveal transparency, definition, and "that sound" we all try and emulate.
Thank you for a very informative video! This is the first time i see a video from this channel and i learned a lot! I use ableton but you made it easy to understand your process and i was able to still understand and translate your work in the daw to mine 👌🏽 i’m looking forward to learning more from this channel 🙏🏽
good info i came to this 8 years ago what i did was bring analog and daw to gather ,and its in di and Preamps my fav i have and use is ART Tube MP Mic Preamp ,this can work as a di box or a mic preamp it give that nice crisp warm sound .than at the daw part for fx of any kind i set up bus i never ever putt fx on the recorded track it gets muddy.the only thing i do on the recorded track is set the eq there than i send to a bus track.butt over all you get the best sound by not going di in with everything if you can .if not for di in get di box and try to have one that got tube in it.
Awesome Video bud! I've been around the studios since the early 80's and I was weaned on 2" tape... I love the subtle difference this adds to the overall sound. Will this replace a true Analog tape...no, but for those that can't get their hands on one (for cost or otherwise), this emulates it quite nicely. great job.
Same here. Analog rules. No stinking latency. Left recording for over three decades. Now that I'm retired I have a Soundcraft MFX16i, 8 Presonus Channel Strips, a wide collection of Rode, Shure, Audio Technica, Sennheiser and Audix mics that will be going into a Tascam DM 20 SD recorder. I will be getting the Tascam M24 mighty soon to make building music instrument by instrument, track by track at a time easier. Will also use the M24 as my interface to the box.
I am failing to understand the difference between the analogue tracking board and the analogue mixing board. 1) Is one just an analogue channel strip whereas the other is more the entire mixing strip (SSL 400?). 2) Also doesn't the stage 1 and stage practically be on the same channel? 3) Are there any known plugins (not Slate) for stage 2 and 4 you can recommend?
The difference between the two is the use case for it. I’m assuming they’re both channel strips, but with different use cases as I said before. Alternatives to Slate are SSL, Console 1, and Waves NLS.
Not watched the whole video yet so you may say this but - if you're using any kind of digital saturation, you really want to turn up the project audio rate as high as you can. Sample rate becomes really, really important with any kind of saturation. I don't really understand what's going on, something to do with Nyquist frequencies? - but basically digital saturation/distortion tends to add weird unwanted and pretty ugly-sounding harmonics in the higher end, but with the sample rate high enough then these are beyond the range of human hearing. If you want a demonstration of what I'm talking about, try using a Test Oscillator to do an upwards sweep and really smash it with saturation and you should hear a note sliding DOWNWARDS in pitch as Test Oscillator goes up - that's the harmonics I'm talking about. Or it might be easier to conceptualise by just watching a multimeter as it happens, and you can see all the weird harmonics moving about where they shouldn't.
The problem I'm having is that I don't have these exact plug-ins, and I don't know enough about this whole process to understand how to find equivalent plug-ins. I don't know what the difference is between tracking tape and master tape, I don't know how to find something that would work as a tracking tape. I don't know the difference between a tracking board and a mixing board. I'm not sure what, if anything, in my Waves collection is a preamp or would work as a preamp. I don't know if I already own a plug-in that automatically does all these things anyway.
Not trying to be rude here... but if you aren't familiar with these 'basics' yet, maybe this video isn't the place to start. Do some research first. There are a lot of channel strips and tape emulation plugins out there and all would work for the general concept here.
Let me see if I can help. I don't think it matters too much that there be a difference between the tracking tape and the master tape. What is important is that you use some kind of tape saturation plugin at each of these stages. You could probably even substitute a generic saturation plugin with similar results, I know Logic has one. Same idea with tracking board and mixing board. In a studio these will be the same board most of the time and I think he even uses the same plugin for this in the video. As for the preamp, you already own one on your audio interface, although it is probably pretty 'clean'. What you want is a plugin that will mimic a preamp with a little 'color'. What is important to understand here is the stages of processing and saturation that the audio goes through before you even start the mixing process. In other words, if you were recording in an analog studio and then given the tracks to mix at home they would have gone though the first 3 or 4 stages of this process, just by virtue of being tracked in an analog studio. Specific plugins are much less important than understanding the overall concept of mimicking the way sound is processed by analog gear when recorded to tape. Once you understand that concept you can use a variety of plugins to do the job. I hope this helps!
I’d definitely love hearing the changes without the “here it is before” & “here it is after” (interrupting my listening focus). The visual banners/buttons are enough of a cue. Good content otherwise :)
Awesome use of analogue emulations. Sometimes the simple and the obvious is the most brilliant. Very clever to make such a precise imitation of a professional analogue studio setup. Great video! Question: Do you know Decapitator from Soundtoys? Wouldn't that be a great tool as the console imitations. You can choose between different emulations of different consoles in the plugin. Perhaps it is a bit to exagerated in the emulations. If you know the plugin, what is your opinion on its use in this context?
Question, when in the mixing process, wouldn’t it be more ideal to add a tape plugin to every track before the console plugin? Once the content is on tape (the first process), then it goes back through the board to your monitors. It would be interesting to know if you get the same or even maybe even better results.
Am I correct in understanding you would bake in the initial 4 stages after you have already done all the rest of the mixing? EQ, compression, automation, etc...? Is this the last step before mastering? Or would you bake in the raw tracks as part of an initial mixing setup before moving on to the other steps?
Initial. He even says this will get you better from "the get go" so this to emulate the way it would be to track in an analog set up. Not the mix bus plugins(two buss, stereo outs) those are to be mixed into. I do all of this too except I only use 1 console on the initial bounce in place instead of two different so I'm interested to try that out.
@@robkuhlman585 Ah. So I guess it's a little bit tricky for the first 4 steps since you need to "get it right" and there's no possibility of going back to fix anything once they've been baked/bounced. Although considering the difference is subtle, I assume anything you regret can be fixed later via EQ?
Flying Towel keep in mind that the bounce in place function should be set to “ create a new track” not “replace track” So essentially if you really hated what you did you could just delete your new track and go back to the original. Mind you this is terrible work flow. The whole point is to commit and don’t look back. Just like an analog tracking mixer would have to do.
@@RecordProducerRob Ahh, OK, that makes sense. Just seen the other option in Reaper. Thanks for clearing this up guys!
4 года назад+2
Thank really helpful. One question though : Why should we emulate a Neve Console after the 1073 ? I thought it was both a preamp and a console channel strip...
@ I guess my question would be, couldn't I just use the uad SSL 4000 plugin twice, once as pre-amp and track console, and then again as my mix desk instance?
4 года назад+1
Chris O'Brien yes you can ;) It’s going so sound a lot like the 90’s
Hey, Dylan here. Me too. I actually tried long and hard to do this with stock plugins. But unfortunately, most DAWs don't have the type of analog emulation plugins necessary to do this process. I even tried combining stock compression and saturation... no dice. So at least for now, to do this process you'll need to use third-party plugins. C'est la vie!
Engineer for over 10 years here: You can EQ and compress and fancy plug in and route all you want but it will never be able to re-create the physical properties that make the gear or the way the electricity flows through them, which is why they sound like they do, and also why two of the exact same guitars will not sound exactly the same. Now you know. You cannot re-create a physical thing with software and engineer techniques, unless you were using a 3D printer lol. You can emulate, but that's all youre doing and it wont be the same no matter how close you get; but the point is that you want the general feel of it, and that is indeed where you will end up at in the end. Just dont ever get it confused and think you can actually do this, or change the impulse response of your monitors to sound like such and such monitors wherever through software lmaoooo. ✌
Erm a tad presumptuous on how "Analog" behaves or is it Analogue ??.. each instrument will be treated differently by the engineer.. A tape machine wouldn't have its pre amps physically turned up or down, they are pre set .."Aligned" to set frequency tones etc....all tracks would be the same on a 24 track Tape Machine.. On the Mixers input channel, the gain would be set to an Optimum for the Gain staging "unity Gain" meaning input detected at 0Db and the desk would need to be matched to the Tape via a Buss section of which the input channels signal would be sent..... On the input channel EQ and compression would be applied ( Different Schools of thought will be taking place here - Bare with me) Generally: IF and only if need be; and if your really going about a "concept" approach..will EQ and compression be applied, usually "corrective' use thereof..say its a great sounding Kick in the room but sounds way off on an individual close mic'd skin from 3 inches .???... As we should know, getting it right at source is key.. Especially with Tuning and Mic placement etc... Didn't have Mic emulation/s in there?? most modern mic's are dull as hell and have Zero character ... Really.. i could go on, Though its super interesting .. Nice idea etc , but tread carefully.. at least in Logic you can A / B each track.. don't go throwing away you original tracked recordings!!! Mix and match ..some stuff just sits fine without "muddying up" ;-) Vocals may just cut though..Over head mics on drum kits may not benefit from Valves and all that..Most Valve microphones etc don't have In / Out 'n' fancy options.. Good quality Cymbals and a decent single microphone dropped over head etc etc... and the Plugins these guys use here cost a few $£€'s !! UAD not cheap..Slate - rental is a 24 month contract etc .. Yes....Good idea but a tad dangerous with the out come sounding like "sonic soup" - Brown and on the floor :-) Besides.. its an EMULATION of.... UAD plugs However can be used on input..So "Oxide" and The Neve preamp/channel strip stuff and any UAD can be used on input/record.. A major part of the UAD Allure.. Then you would get close..to sounding analogue.. then maybe play with Saturation of Valves as an additive "to Taste" thing.. Back in the day .. Tape was a medium and the Only medium ,, and did work.. A balance of both medium or is it media? is best looked at with care.. or it be a mess...
Here's a tip from an old(er) person :)
In the 70s/80s we were tracking mosts instruments as hot as possible, due to the signal/noise ratio. But with the (very important) exception of high freq. instruments. Anolog saturation sounds great, but NOT on hh and cymbals. We would track those with plenty of headroom. If your plugins emulates real analog gear, you should also implement good analog recording practice. Record your low-end content as hot as posible and your high-end with plenty of headroom.
Another point: If you are trying to recreate the 60s or early 70s sound you should probably process 4-8 busses/ gruops rather than individual instruments. In those days 4 track tape machines was what most engineers had to work with.
I prefer an analogue buss set up too. I was fortunate to use analogue gear before it went out of fashion, there are definatley things I don't miss about it 😉
Excellent advice. Many thanks! : )
There's no real advantage in tracking hot with digital, in some cases it can be detrimental as those cheap preamps on those cheap interface produce more noise when cranked, not to mention background noise when recording at home.
@@effector3659 Sorry if my reply was so unclear that it could lead to that misunderstanding. I am not advocating for tracking anything hot digitally. I’m talking about how much of an analog saturation effect you would add to different types of instruments to emulate 70-80s sound. Back then it was good practice to track low range instruments as hot as possible. So you should not apply the same amount of “effect” to all instruments.
Fun fact: back when digital recording became standard with 16bit/ 44.khz devices, like ADAT and DAT recorders, It was not uncommon to see recommendations for tracking quite hot digitally as well, in order to make full use of the limited resolution. But with today's standard you should absolutely leave plenty of “digital” headroom
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Such a comprehensive and useful tutorial. Thanks a lot!
Here's a guide to navigate through:
0:00 Explains the fundamentals of analog routing
9:17 The mix before and after the analog emulation processing
Processing the raw tracks before mixing:
10:52 Stage 1 - the analog preamp
12:49 Stage 2 - the analog tracking board
14:12 Stage 3 - the tracking tape
15:05 Stage 4 - the analog mixing board
Processing the main bus after mixing:
18:35 Stage 5 - analog summing channel
20:00 Stage 6 - the master tape
22:34 Going bankrupt is not necessary, give Airwindows plugins a try (thanks to Tracy Blair for the tip)
My greatest conceptual takeaway: the analog-sounding result won't come from just one tweak at some point of the signal chain, but from the combination of many subtle effects along the chain.
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First off, thanks for the navigation. Maybe I’m just dumb, but I’m not understanding the difference between stage 1 and stage 2.
@@WriteJus you need to train your ears. The difference is very obvious
Damn, this comment should be pinned
@@WriteJus Came here to talk about this, stage one and two are a bit misleading without more explanation. Many studios, if they have a quality desk, will go straight into the desk, and therefore the sound of the desk IS the sound of the preamp and vice versa (as well as the sound of the EQ and dynamics section, if engaged). However, some studios have cheaper desks, or just a lot of outboard gear, and will run mics to outboard pres, and then route those pres to their desk. The video is misleading in this, because it routes a Neve pre to a Neve board emu. This is unnecessary and does not mimic real life (the equivalent of plugging a mic into a standalone 1073, then routing it into an 8068).
TL;DR: If you have a channel strip emulator that has a preamp section, skip step one unless you're looking to route specific tracks to specific pres.
it actually worked , i tried it and my mix got instantly bigger and fuller and louder , incredible work guys thank u
I really need to go through your channel and start from your beginner level videos. You are very consistent, concise, and informative in every video. Great content man!
Harrisson Mixbus 32C v6. The DAW that emulates the complete famous recording desk incl e.q. 3 types of compression and mixbus tape saturation. I use it for a year or so and it's great! Free demo!
Excellent presentation, FINALLY someone who 'gets' it !
What you didn't mention was the inclusion of a spectrum analyzer to track the buildup of thermal noise and harmonics.
That buildup adds a lot of character to the analogue signal.
I created a 6SN7GT tube plugin with correct harmonics AND thermal noise.
I add one in each preamp input, just like nature intended.
To really get the correct emulation, you can drive every piece of outboard gear with such a tube since all the old gear was tube driven or transistor driven.
Transistors have a 'colder' sound though, and I haven't bothered to emulate one for that reason.
Transformers were used extensively in the vintage gear and their phase shift adds to the overall effect.
Every preamp should include input AND output transformers, as should busses, etc.
Tape machines back in the day ran with a -70 dB noise floor, and that added to the overall effect.
Once again, a spectrum analyzer would bear this out.
It would be interesting to see if these commercial plugins live up to their promise, and a spectrum analyzer would gear that out.
Thank you for posting this video, you really got it right.
Bill P.
Yo brother, do I have to export first to get that analog sound? For example, I use britson bus, and britson channel, I have 3 individual hihats which goes to a group, I throw the britson bus on the group, then, the Briton channel on individual hihats, then export them, and it's only now that I have the real processed sound? Thanks for helping me. Sorry if I didn't make myself clear brother
@@Its24KARAT The Britson bus plugin is supposed to emulate the Neve 8014 console from the early 1970s.
There is no "real processed sound", every console sounds a bit different, etc.
This discussion could fill volumes.
What I'd suggest is that you do a mix with the emulators in, then the same mix without.
Try different plugin setups, etc., until you arrive at a sound that you like.
You can even run the finished mix through a Pultec emulator with the settings flat, just to add that Pultec sound.
That was done decades ago in the analog world, no kidding !
Keep us posted,
Bill P.
@@RocknRollkat Thanks man, I will try that and you know here! What are the best emulators you know BTW?
@@RocknRollkat In fact, I just love the way the mix feel, Do you the Rave culture channel? Will all the big BIG ROOM Artist, odd you could talk a look, just listen quickly 2-3 tracks, you will notice their mix feel spacious. Can you see and let me know if they achieve this by analog summing? You seem experienced that's why im asking brother 👍🏻
@@Its24KARAT The best plugins are the ones you like.
I'm serious.
Let's say that you go to a studio with an all-out API console, and you don't like the way it sounds.
There's your answer !
Saturation makes the mix come alive!
8:00 is basically where it starts if you already know what this all means
Goat!!
Long intro lol
Thanks for that -I was about to bail on the video. Far too much basic stuff.
More inclusive to start with basics - catering for more people with a wide range of levels of understanding.
Good that you give times to FF to. An index in a book to turn to...Anyone read a book lately?
Well, I didn't know that stuff and I found the intro quite useful. But I appreciate having time tags in videos to skip forward aswell.
For anyone rreading this now - there's TONS of FREE plugins from Analog Obsession that emulate lots of old school analog gear. Perfect for doing this without spending a penny.
i've been messing with analogue desks, outboard and recording since '87, and only been working ITB since 2016... If you really want that analogue feel with your DAW, sonically IMHO, Airwindows is where it's at...
start with ~ Channel6, BussColors4, ToTape5, FromTape, ClipOnly, NC-17, Density, Logical4, Pressure4, VariMu and CStrip.
Ian Tanner Sounds interesting, could it be possible for a tutorial ? Much appreciated
I would also very much appreciate a tutorial or explanation 🙂
hey man. this is great.
just one question.
do you put this chain on all the individual tracks or just on the master?
also super interested if this chain is for every track... thanks for the tips tho!! Airwindows is incredible
As a MOAM subscriber and big fan, I came here to say that this is one of my favorite videos you guys have ever put up. Your work is only getting better and better and it is so helpful to amateur mixers working to improve their skills and demystify a pretty opaque art form. Cheers!
Glad you enjoyed!
I was literally just thinking about this and I open youtube and see your video... hallelujah, great content dude keep on
Just the same thing happened to me bruh
This is by far one of your best tutorials. Thank you so much.
Happy to help!
Ive been waiting for somebody to make a video like this for years. Funny thing is, I learned all this stuff just a few months before this video.
Great video! Also consider including multiple passes through tape, as engineers had to fit tracks onto 8/16/24track recorders. That limited real estate forced engineers to buss tracks together like :
1) All the drums and the bass to 2 track
2) the guitars to 2 tracks and so forth.
That means running the sounds through multiple passes of tape and console summing to accommodate the sessions as they progressed. I think mimicking this process will get you even closer to the sounds that remind us of the 60's & 70's.
In the 80's, digital machines like the Otari Dtr90, the Mitsubishi x-850 and Sony pcm 3324 allowed engineers to make "perfect" slave reels to run off of during overdub and mixing, creating a much cleaner production style. It was also around that time the first mass produced CD's became available. So moving from destructive comping due to multiple tape/console passes, released on vinyl, to cleaner digital machines, more track real estate and the first primitive CD's, created the now common trope of "harsh digital".
But when you go from gooey tape compression, saturation from both console and vinyl playback, sure, everything will sound harsh in comparison. I think it took time for the engineers to adjust to the new technology and for the consumers as well.
Amazing now to able to use both technologies as an artistic expression, rather than a limitation!
Sorry for the lecture :)
Thank you for the lecture hahaha!
So in essence you'd have different elements in your mix all down to seperate two tracks and then back into the master bus?
so itd be like grouping your vocals, sending it to a two track so it gets exported into a stereo track back into your mix and then that stereo track gets sent to your master bus so itd be going through two forms of master tape so to say?
Nice knowledge, thank you!
@@devoyefolkes6446 Exactly. Everything time you'd want to open up space for new tracks, you'd have to commit other tracks, mixing them down from, say, 6 tracks to one or two, maybe even with their associated effects, like delays, reverbs, passing them through additional tape simulation.
@Mr X Cool, but how much does fresh tape cost, and how much mixing time is (re-)added by doing multiple tape passes in real time?
This is what I love about having a UA Apollo interface - I can bake most of the sound I want into my tracks during the tracking stage. I typically go through the Neve 1073 Unison preamp then sometimes API 560 EQ and occasionally the Studer or Oxide tape plugins. Saves a ton of backend time on mixing. I have the UAD Pultec, Vertigo VSM-3 and Ampex ATR-102 on my 2-buss as my default template for every mix as well.
I enjoy your practices for sure….Ive been recording since 1998 and I have my own ways of doing things….one thing I’ve learned throughout the years is that on a daw it’s really all about the compression in the end…..if you wanna make a track sound like it’s deeper or further away in the mix then slow down the release….more up front then speed up the release. I use to view the stereo field as more of a left to right type of thing. As the years went on I started seeing it as a front to back and left to right type of thing. Compression is the key for that. Eq is is to keep all your sounds outta the way of each other. Tape emulation is cool but it’s not like real tape saturation to me. You have done a good job at emulating that 70’s or 60’s sound but it’s more to do with the instruments you’ve used. I get that you can add the hiss and hum sounds to the recording but other than that those emulators aren’t adding much of anything…..
Without = Flat
With = Dynamic, Bright and all the GOOD things pop out
This is the best method I've ever done when mixing... with the way that I produce I can literally throw these on, add basic EQ and compression and just adjust the levels and then its done!
This was very well laid out and explained. I've been using saturation and analog emulation plugins for a while now. This definitely helps me set them up more effectively. This is my first time watching your channel. It won't be my last. Thanks!
Mixing through the bus and tape recorder are what I needed thanks for this 🙏
This video changed my whole approach to recording! So amazing! A huge thanks to you!
This is probably the best video about mixing I’ve ever seen!great job!!!
Happy to help!
I literally just woke up from a nap, and clicked on this video from watching your other videos and I am just in time for the live webinar! got my note pad ready, closed all the tabs and everyone else is asleep! ready for the livestream
Listening without watching, it sounds like you're adding really nice light compression with each plug-in. Good stuff
A mix really WARM as hell. I will apply those suggestions to my next tracks
Thanks mate! This was very useful! Especially as I'm using an Apollo Twin X already.
You're an amazing instructor. Though I am a beginner in the mixing world, understand the whole process. You really are on a mission. Best regards!
This video really changed my view on mixing
Glad it helped!
Excellent. If like myself your on this journey. Watch it twenty times if needs must...A lot of information packed in this small video. Many thanks for your effort in creating and sharing your knowledge.
You know crazy about this video. I literally just performed this same task using my MPC X except for I used the 3 preamp’s and slate digital console. Then made audio Steem into Protools. Omg. The sound quality I literally scare me half to death I’m like oh my god this is crazy audio sound nice warm and steamy.
Am I mistaken or there is the same step two times? He is using the preamp of a console (Neve 1073), and after that, he is also using the preamp of another plugin (Virtual channel).
In real life, the preamp is actually part of the tracking board. After gain staging, it goes straight to tape.
yep
not always for example I was in an analog Studio and we recorded the bass with this chain
1. Neve preamp
2. Compressor
3. EQ
4. Mixing Board (ChannelStrip)
5. Studer (Tape)
6. Mixing Board (ChannelStrip)
7. Computer
Its more about picking the right preamp for the instrument but I think its better to just use one Channelstrip
I have to take the time and say THANK YOU and keep doing what you're doing!! Your video is GREAT and well needed! The way you went in depth and detail is impressive and you explained it in a clear and concise way! Great job!! I'm subscribed!👍🏾💪🏾💯
Glad we could help!
Bro I will pay you when I get a bit of money . You're giving so many free infos , THANK YOU!
Excellent video! One way i’ve gotten immediate saturation is with Acustica Audio’s zero latency plugins on the input fx when tracking.
Great video! The idea of baking the tracks is great. Thanks a lot. Love your content.
This is a really cool and helpful video. I generally follow these rules but a few details really helped my workflow. Inspired me to set up API, Neve tests this way, and a and b-ing tracks recorded through them. Thanks y'all
Great video! Thanks!
For anyone out there that wants to get tape machine emulations, you can get a tracking tape machine and mastering tape machine both in the Slate Virtual Tape Machine. You can get 2 emulations for the price of 1.
Thanks RUclips for recommending this video to me. SUBSCRIBED
Great video, Dylan! I have quite a few analog emulation type of plugins, but I never knew how best to use them. I can't wait to go back to one of my mixes with this approach in mind and see what I can do!
Amazing info brother! I added these techniques to what I’m doing, the results are on another level!!!
Thanks!
You were just too sincere about your information and well informed, trust me you good
This is an incredible video; so glad I stumbled on to your channel -- best tutorials in the business! Thanks so much.
Thanks this video really helped me understand the signal flow for getting that analogue mix
Memories are fresh 1980 That was the best time ever
I love this approach. Works great for me ever since watching 🙏
Love this idea, no harm in trying it out either !
Classic albums have been constantly remastered to be louder now too.You should listen to the classic music so yr ears already are used to that sound.
I use hardware to track, and then plugins to mix. When you track through a great mic preamp and a few nice compressors you have the warmth and or the grit you need already just from using hardware. There's nothing that compares with tracking through hardware.
And you could also add master bus compressor between the console bus emulation and the master tape plugin (if you're going for the SSL approach).
Great video, but was wondering - Isn't the UA 1073 plug-in technically a preamp and tracking board (channel strip) combined? I ask because they do offer the 1073 as a separate preamp only. The extra tracking board in step 2 seems redundant if the 1073 is used in step 1.
Imwas looking for some comment like yours to understand that, in my opinion, it does seem redundant.
@burkes - No, it’s not necessarily redundant because often people use an external colorful preamp/channel strip outside of the plain sounding tracking console/channel strip they have. And the point is, you may very well want all of the saturation/color as possible. Not to mention you may want to use the “clean” eq and/or compressor from the extra board.
@@williamk6605 But then, when using an external preamp, do you leave the preamp of the tracking board in zero db, right? You don't usually gain stage twice, do you?
Great video. One thing is a bit unclear, though:
Where in the process does the actual mixing of the song take place (eq, dynamics, reverb etc.)? The simple answer would be: After step 4 and the bouncing. BUT that raises another consideration: The analog saturation from the mixing board signal flow (all the way from input to output) is already baked in, so if you continue from here, you would either have to mix the baked in tracks with your native Logic gear (eq, dynamics etc.) OR use further analogue plugins, but that would mean MORE analogue signal flow than in a real analogue world, especially if you were to mix it in an SSL channel strip, using its dynamics and eq. It would be SSL mixing board with SSL mixing board added. Therefore, the bouncing should happen after step 3 (The Tape machine). Then step 4 would be a natural adding of an SSL channel strip or similar analogue mixing board.
Or to put it short: The virtual Channel from Slate emulates the full signal flow from input to output of an SSL desk, but not the eq and dynamics in between.
I know my argument is probably just pointing out a subtle difference. But subtlety is the main theme of this brilliant tutorial.
I get the point of saving CPU-power, but I also find it fair to point out the subtle change of order in the suggested signal flow in the video.
Or am I missing a point?
Love all your work and videos, guys, at mastering.com
After this process to the end, I used to add more analog emulations and my mixes sounded over processed. So I would go with what you recommended.
@@moxictasculinity Thx, you confirm my suspicion. :-) Another solution might be to add a very conservative amount of analog hue from each plugin. The more plugins, the less from each. :-)
Interesting. Definitely a noticeable difference. What I don't understand is, why do you need the Slate Virtual Channel, if you're already going through the 1073? You have the pre and the fader which make up the channel in the 1073.
Great video. I will try everything presented in this video. If you put a good set of headphone on, you will understand the essence of this video better. You can definitely hear / almost feel the transition from digital to analog sound. Thanks for sharing 👍🏾
all types of distortion add harmonics. Clipping, or digital distortion, does not take away from the sound, but rather produces only odd harmonics which give it that harsh tone. Other 'smoother' types of distortion, such as tube distortion add 2nd order harmonics.
SaintHubbins2 true
reverse that, 3rd order harmonics come from analogue stuff, 3rd order being 3rd 5th 7th ect which is more musical naturally, 2nd order harmonics are naturally dissonant and created usually by digital gear
Probably the best video ive watched on RUclips 🤷🏽♂️
Ah thanks! Glad it helped. 😅
This is tedious but my GOD, it gave me the exact sound I wanted.
Great stuff, man! Oh man, that just made my mix sound 10x better! Question: What would come on my sub busses (drums, bass, guitars, vocals etc.) and my FX returns? Just the mix board simulation I guess?
If you want to have fun and really see what real analog gear sounds like compared to plug in emulations, go to Access Analog's website and for $5.99 for 30 minutes you can rent a classic or current analog piece of gear run by a robot! Then stream your audio to and from that real gear back into your DAW. Compare that sound with your plug ins. Access Analog makes robots that control real analog racked gear. Pretty cool. I've been testing SSL compressors, or API EQ's, the real things. And the differences are educational at the least, but reveal transparency, definition, and "that sound" we all try and emulate.
Very nice tutorial. I also like the use of the “warm” color palette used on your tracks. Nice touch.
Really liked the example song.
Thank you for a very informative video! This is the first time i see a video from this channel and i learned a lot! I use ableton but you made it easy to understand your process and i was able to still understand and translate your work in the daw to mine 👌🏽 i’m looking forward to learning more from this channel 🙏🏽
I also want to add in that im able to hear the difference and i watched this video on my PHONE the first time! Says a lot about your quality 👌🏽
good info i came to this 8 years ago what i did was bring analog and daw to gather ,and its in di and Preamps my fav i have and use is ART Tube MP Mic Preamp ,this can work as a di box or a mic preamp it give that nice crisp warm sound .than at the daw part for fx of any kind i set up bus i never ever putt fx on the recorded track it gets muddy.the only thing i do on the recorded track is set the eq there than i send to a bus track.butt over all you get the best sound by not going di in with everything if you can .if not for di in get di box and try to have one that got tube in it.
You can also add bus processing to your effects sends that will help things
All y'all should check out Harrison Mixbus. This daw has built in mixboard on every channel + tape on each bus. Masterbus has a tape too.
Wow just imagine if you have 50+ tracks and you have to repeat this process 50 times 😵🤯
I guess I will have to try it
Thank you for sharing! This was some great information.
Awesome Video bud!
I've been around the studios since the early 80's and I was weaned on 2" tape...
I love the subtle difference this adds to the overall sound.
Will this replace a true Analog tape...no, but for those that can't get their hands on one (for cost or otherwise), this emulates it quite nicely. great job.
Same here. Analog rules. No stinking latency. Left recording for over three decades. Now that I'm retired I have a Soundcraft MFX16i, 8 Presonus Channel Strips, a wide collection of Rode, Shure, Audio Technica, Sennheiser and Audix mics that will be going into a Tascam DM 20 SD recorder. I will be getting the Tascam M24 mighty soon to make building music instrument by instrument, track by track at a time easier. Will also use the M24 as my interface to the box.
Yeah! Great tutorial! Greetings from Brazil!
Great help. It really gives a thick and deep sound thanks !!!
I am failing to understand the difference between the analogue tracking board and the analogue mixing board. 1) Is one just an analogue channel strip whereas the other is more the entire mixing strip (SSL 400?). 2) Also doesn't the stage 1 and stage practically be on the same channel? 3) Are there any known plugins (not Slate) for stage 2 and 4 you can recommend?
I'm glad it's not just me struggling with the difference between a tracking board and a mixing board! :)
The difference between the two is the use case for it. I’m assuming they’re both channel strips, but with different use cases as I said before. Alternatives to Slate are SSL, Console 1, and Waves NLS.
Damn.. you let the secret out! Lol.. there goes the neighborhood!!!! 😀😆😆
Yeah he did. This is why we can’t make any money these days. It’s way too many secrets out these days. It’s like the jig is up.
Very Informative That's what I was looking for. Thank you
Not watched the whole video yet so you may say this but - if you're using any kind of digital saturation, you really want to turn up the project audio rate as high as you can. Sample rate becomes really, really important with any kind of saturation.
I don't really understand what's going on, something to do with Nyquist frequencies? - but basically digital saturation/distortion tends to add weird unwanted and pretty ugly-sounding harmonics in the higher end, but with the sample rate high enough then these are beyond the range of human hearing. If you want a demonstration of what I'm talking about, try using a Test Oscillator to do an upwards sweep and really smash it with saturation and you should hear a note sliding DOWNWARDS in pitch as Test Oscillator goes up - that's the harmonics I'm talking about. Or it might be easier to conceptualise by just watching a multimeter as it happens, and you can see all the weird harmonics moving about where they shouldn't.
What a great job you guys did! Thank you
The problem I'm having is that I don't have these exact plug-ins, and I don't know enough about this whole process to understand how to find equivalent plug-ins. I don't know what the difference is between tracking tape and master tape, I don't know how to find something that would work as a tracking tape. I don't know the difference between a tracking board and a mixing board. I'm not sure what, if anything, in my Waves collection is a preamp or would work as a preamp. I don't know if I already own a plug-in that automatically does all these things anyway.
Adam Looks like you need to do some research then, these are all things you can learn via google & youtube
Not trying to be rude here... but if you aren't familiar with these 'basics' yet, maybe this video isn't the place to start. Do some research first. There are a lot of channel strips and tape emulation plugins out there and all would work for the general concept here.
Everyone starts out not knowing these things, this is what research is for, there are lots of '101' type videos
Step away from waves for a bit. Check out the 3 Preamps by Arturia, UAD, and Slate digital hope this help.
Let me see if I can help. I don't think it matters too much that there be a difference between the tracking tape and the master tape. What is important is that you use some kind of tape saturation plugin at each of these stages. You could probably even substitute a generic saturation plugin with similar results, I know Logic has one. Same idea with tracking board and mixing board. In a studio these will be the same board most of the time and I think he even uses the same plugin for this in the video. As for the preamp, you already own one on your audio interface, although it is probably pretty 'clean'. What you want is a plugin that will mimic a preamp with a little 'color'. What is important to understand here is the stages of processing and saturation that the audio goes through before you even start the mixing process. In other words, if you were recording in an analog studio and then given the tracks to mix at home they would have gone though the first 3 or 4 stages of this process, just by virtue of being tracked in an analog studio. Specific plugins are much less important than understanding the overall concept of mimicking the way sound is processed by analog gear when recorded to tape. Once you understand that concept you can use a variety of plugins to do the job. I hope this helps!
I’d definitely love hearing the changes without the “here it is before” & “here it is after” (interrupting my listening focus). The visual banners/buttons are enough of a cue. Good content otherwise :)
agree with this, but cool video none the less
lol you have small short memory for music. practice on that.
you can skip it with your mouse too or keyboard
What was the point of this comment? This video wasn't made for YOU and only YOU...Make your own video if you want things tailored to your specifics.
@@queenhenryviii My comment wasn't made for you. Run along now...
We don't have Slate Digital, can you recommend any UAD consoles instead for the various stages where you are using Slate?
Literally the first. Also, love your channel.
I'm actually figuratively the first. Go figure
Universal audio LUNA DAW , and you have it all .
The saturation thickens the mix and makes it sound vintage.
Not really a criticism but you say you're looking fir subtlety and it made me think of the stark contrast, Kush Audio plugin demos :D
Awesome use of analogue emulations. Sometimes the simple and the obvious is the most brilliant. Very clever to make such a precise imitation of a professional analogue studio setup. Great video!
Question:
Do you know Decapitator from Soundtoys? Wouldn't that be a great tool as the console imitations. You can choose between different emulations of different consoles in the plugin. Perhaps it is a bit to exagerated in the emulations. If you know the plugin, what is your opinion on its use in this context?
Very very cool video man. Thanks. You are the answer for many of my pains. God bless you
Glad we could help!
Thank you for the info!! Using Logic Pro X here.
I tried to download your cheat sheet collection by clicking on the link you provided , but it took me to a marketing video selling a mastering course.
Question, when in the mixing process, wouldn’t it be more ideal to add a tape plugin to every track before the console plugin? Once the content is on tape (the first process), then it goes back through the board to your monitors. It would be interesting to know if you get the same or even maybe even better results.
Works for me.
Thanks Rob !! Bless You !
Happy to help!
Does Logic have stock plugins that are similar to the ones used?
Interesting signal chain. I'll have to do some experimenting. 😊 Other than that, the vocals were a bit burried.
I love your tutorials ! So inspiring ! Many thanks!
Thanks for this gold! And what about doing this on mix groups (synth, drums, vocals...)? Does it works?
Wow this tutorial should not be free. This is great info. Thanks
Wow 🤩 unique tutorial! Thanks
Am I correct in understanding you would bake in the initial 4 stages after you have already done all the rest of the mixing? EQ, compression, automation, etc...? Is this the last step before mastering? Or would you bake in the raw tracks as part of an initial mixing setup before moving on to the other steps?
Initial. He even says this will get you better from "the get go" so this to emulate the way it would be to track in an analog set up. Not the mix bus plugins(two buss, stereo outs) those are to be mixed into. I do all of this too except I only use 1 console on the initial bounce in place instead of two different so I'm interested to try that out.
@@robkuhlman585 Ah. So I guess it's a little bit tricky for the first 4 steps since you need to "get it right" and there's no possibility of going back to fix anything once they've been baked/bounced. Although considering the difference is subtle, I assume anything you regret can be fixed later via EQ?
Flying Towel keep in mind that the bounce in place function should be set to “ create a new track” not “replace track”
So essentially if you really hated what you did you could just delete your new track and go back to the original.
Mind you this is terrible work flow. The whole point is to commit and don’t look back. Just like an analog tracking mixer would have to do.
@@RecordProducerRob Ahh, OK, that makes sense. Just seen the other option in Reaper. Thanks for clearing this up guys!
Thank really helpful. One question though :
Why should we emulate a Neve Console after the 1073 ? I thought it was both a preamp and a console channel strip...
I was confused about this as well. Also isn't a ssl a mixing and tracking board?
Chris O'Brien yes SSL is both a tracking and mixing board. But in that case, it’s used to mimic the saturation of the mixing board.
@ I guess my question would be, couldn't I just use the uad SSL 4000 plugin twice, once as pre-amp and track console, and then again as my mix desk instance?
Chris O'Brien yes you can ;) It’s going so sound a lot like the 90’s
Wish you had shown it using STOCK plugins. Thanks for this though! :)
Hey, Dylan here. Me too. I actually tried long and hard to do this with stock plugins. But unfortunately, most DAWs don't have the type of analog emulation plugins necessary to do this process. I even tried combining stock compression and saturation... no dice. So at least for now, to do this process you'll need to use third-party plugins. C'est la vie!
Cakewalk has its ProChannel, which does precisely that.
If you have Logic, then the Vintage EQ things are actually pretty good - they've got a nice saturation section.I
they're fine... but not really great
@@CLaw-tb5gg I also like using the saturation from phatfx ...
Engineer for over 10 years here: You can EQ and compress and fancy plug in and route all you want but it will never be able to re-create the physical properties that make the gear or the way the electricity flows through them, which is why they sound like they do, and also why two of the exact same guitars will not sound exactly the same. Now you know. You cannot re-create a physical thing with software and engineer techniques, unless you were using a 3D printer lol. You can emulate, but that's all youre doing and it wont be the same no matter how close you get; but the point is that you want the general feel of it, and that is indeed where you will end up at in the end. Just dont ever get it confused and think you can actually do this, or change the impulse response of your monitors to sound like such and such monitors wherever through software lmaoooo. ✌
you have to be rich to have all the real analog stuff so using plugins is the only way
Great content and very helpful! Thanks man!
Erm a tad presumptuous on how "Analog" behaves or is it Analogue ??.. each instrument will be treated differently by the engineer.. A tape machine wouldn't have its pre amps physically turned up or down, they are pre set .."Aligned" to set frequency tones etc....all tracks would be the same on a 24 track Tape Machine.. On the Mixers input channel, the gain would be set to an Optimum for the Gain staging "unity Gain" meaning input detected at 0Db and the desk would need to be matched to the Tape via a Buss section of which the input channels signal would be sent..... On the input channel EQ and compression would be applied ( Different Schools of thought will be taking place here - Bare with me) Generally: IF and only if need be; and if your really going about a "concept" approach..will EQ and compression be applied, usually "corrective' use thereof..say its a great sounding Kick in the room but sounds way off on an individual close mic'd skin from 3 inches .???... As we should know, getting it right at source is key.. Especially with Tuning and Mic placement etc... Didn't have Mic emulation/s in there?? most modern mic's are dull as hell and have Zero character ... Really.. i could go on, Though its super interesting .. Nice idea etc , but tread carefully.. at least in Logic you can A / B each track.. don't go throwing away you original tracked recordings!!! Mix and match ..some stuff just sits fine without "muddying up" ;-) Vocals may just cut though..Over head mics on drum kits may not benefit from Valves and all that..Most Valve microphones etc don't have In / Out 'n' fancy options.. Good quality Cymbals and a decent single microphone dropped over head etc etc... and the Plugins these guys use here cost a few $£€'s !! UAD not cheap..Slate - rental is a 24 month contract etc .. Yes....Good idea but a tad dangerous with the out come sounding like "sonic soup" - Brown and on the floor :-) Besides.. its an EMULATION of.... UAD plugs However can be used on input..So "Oxide" and The Neve preamp/channel strip stuff and any UAD can be used on input/record.. A major part of the UAD Allure.. Then you would get close..to sounding analogue.. then maybe play with Saturation of Valves as an additive "to Taste" thing.. Back in the day .. Tape was a medium and the Only medium ,, and did work.. A balance of both medium or is it media? is best looked at with care.. or it be a mess...
LOVE this. Thanks so much!