Who were the Nephilim, and why didn't ancient readers find them strange?
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- The ancient Israelites believed that their neighboring kingdoms were founded by giant warrior kings who were part-god and part-human.The Bible explains that the reason these kings spread violence is because they were captive to spiritual evil.
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I’ve always thought that the nephilim were what the Greeks called the demigods.
Yes! That's the conclusion I drew as well!
Same concept just different culture and language but yes they were the rulers.
😮 right?!
Pretty much, the Bible says that they were the “hero’s” of ancient stories. The deeper you get into deliverance ministry you also find out that most of the demons we cast out today are these ancient nephilim spirits. That is the running theory/doctrine at least.
What do you think about the striking similarity between the words “Nephilim” and the Norse realm of giants, “Niflheim”?
Jesus Christ disarmed the demonic realm and put them to open shame at the cross. He also defeated the works of the devil! 🎉
Amen!
The Bible says the last days will be like the days of Noah. What things were around during the times of Noah ?
@@JonFox1945 Noah's son Ham married the woman who had sex with the fallen angel , right? So they still were there like the Goliath. Its not only one person mentioned in the Bible that were big 5 were named too. And also when Moses send some to see the promise land, they saw Big Humans right?
Amen
@@mfholicxshe has nephilim DNA in her , she didn't have sex with fallen angels
As a new Christian this subject baffles me
Maybe Michael Heiser's work would be helpful, depending on how interested you are in learning about the supernatural worldview of people in the Ancient Near East. It was helpful for me.
As someone who has been a Christian for over 25 years and is also a pastor, this subject baffles me too! What’s exciting is it’s all there to learn
Don’t worry brother, you will be amazed by Scripture in each chapter of your life
Learn as much as you can but don’t tackle it all at once. Start with the basics and work your way from there.
Thank you all for your kind words, I have accepted christ as my saviour, im only 10 weeks in my to my faith 🙏
In Thailand there is a folklore legend about giants who ate and terrorised the ancient Thai population - they’re call ‘Yak’. Other cultures have stories about giants too. This can’t be all coincidence.
Interesting 🤔
The further you go back and read about all these old civilizations they’re all saying the same things about this kind of stuff!
It's not coincidence for sure! If you research Dr. Michael Heiser's teachings as well as those of Chuck Missler, you will not be disappointed. Additionally, Goliath had brothers, and Chuck Missler talks about the Amalekites/Caananites being "giants", which was why God wanted them all destroyed. When King Saul allowed the king of the Amalekites to live, and could be one of the many reasons King Saul lost favor with the Lord.
@@Jameslacomus😂😂😂😂, we have a researcher 🤣🤣🤣
When multiple cultures speak the same topics, that might be true, just like the great deluge, giants and even maybe the dragons or the great serpents. Furthermore, like deluge is depicted in many cultures, and its baffling me indeed
I know that these are called “shorts”, but they always leave me wanting more! The truth leads me to hunger and thirst for more!!
then you will enjoy their "The Bible Project Podcast" youtube channel
@@seus2731 thanks! I enjoy all the avenues Bible Project offers! The word of God and the God of the word leads my heart and soul to want more and more of Him! He alone satisfies my heart and soul!
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All glory be to God, I praise you for your mercy, thank you Jesus for your sacrifice and thank you Holy Spirit for your work.
got any examples of this… “mercy”?
mercy comes when you release yourself from doubt @@TrumpCantRead it is dishonourable to suffer under the agent of doubt, it is something tangible you can acknowledge and you must cast it away from your behaviour and action, you will not be deserved of mercy until you own up to this phenomena. This is the basis of faith, which is difficult because it is the opposite of your question. You can explore life and either believe or disbelieve it, but life is harmony and pessimism is sad and out of tune.
Amen
@@pauljohnson2478 so you have no examples? And what is “dishonorable” about being skeptical of wild unsubstantiated claims made by your fellow human beings ?
After all, that’s exactly what religion is! Humans making outlandish crazy claims of flying horses, 850 year old humans, life after death, salvation from sin… ALL of it are human claims. Everything about it = human claims.
Amen
This series was so extremely helpful. It’s revolutionary because it changes how you view the whole narrative of scripture. I often wonder why this subject matter doesn’t come up more in the podcast more. The nephilim and divine counsel are woven into the very fabric of the story that Jesus saw himself inside✅🔔❤️ thank you for all you guys do!
Well that’s just not true at all.
How arecthey woven in the story of jesus if i may ask?
False doctrine!!
The sons of God only refers to elect men and elect angels. Jesus made it clear in heaven that we will be like the angels and cannot be given in Marriage, obviously spirit beings cannot produce offspring, in addition angels are not mankind you can only reproduce after your own kind. Also to refer to wicked fallen angels as the sons of God is a huge error!
This explanation is incorrect. It introduces too many inconsistencies. The sons of God were Sethites, righteous people.
@@DoubleOhSilver It's not rocket science! Fallen angels are not mankind therefore they can not reproduce woth mankind. They are eternally damned already, they will not get a chance to reproduce and be heirs to salvation.
Furthermore the scripture makes it clear everything reproduces after its own kind in the book of Genesis. And God make the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good" (Genesis 1:24,25). Angels can not be given in Marriage as Christ himself affirmed to the Sadducees. The Sons of God are elect men, nothing sinister. Romans 8:14-17For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.1 John 3:1-3 King James Version (KJV)
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God:
Yes, ancient Hebrew people referred to half-human half-angel groups, violent peoples that ate humans and were frequently described as giants. Peoples all over the world talked about giants.
The key questions are:
What's the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word "giants" in English Bibles?
What's your usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word "giants"?
Do those two usages agree?
@@KenAmmi-Shalom ...why would the common historical conception not be sufficient?
@@GuitarTunings33 Fascinatingly, I’ve asked those key questions to dozens and dozens (and dozens) of people who go on and on (and on) about “giants” and literally zero have replied.
False! The sons of God only refers to elect men or the angels of God , never to fallen angels , furthermore angels cannot have sexual relations with women. Christ made it clear that when a person dies and is in heaven they are like the angels of God and cannot be given in marriage, they are not human flesh they are spirit beings!
@@user-wh5ox3cz3c Angel's can eat food and it doesn't say angels can't procreate, it says they don't *in Heaven*. Fact is the ancient Hebrews believed they were non humans that procreated with humans. Michael Heiser showed that definitively.
Really cool animation, a full animation of the bible would be great, but i guess is too expensive
They actually have a bible with a lot of animations about the Bible. It’s really cool
This channel has a crazy amount of biblical animations.
Look up the action Bible
That is such a great idea! I hope someone do it. 😊
The Bible Project did a whole series on the Bible that ya might want to check out, it’s fantastic
I’ve been a Christian for decades. Just now reading Dr. Michael Heiser’s book Unseen Realm……Mind Blown!
Excellent book.
I have held to the position that genesis 6 was speaking of earthly men for quite a long time but never disregarded that these were spiritual beings. After going through Dr Heisers teachings he knows what he is talking about.
Most churches won’t touch this and try to explain it away.
@@philbow6374 it’s hard to read Eph 6:12 and look at these Old Testament verses and think the sons of God are just mere men.
Please don't take what he says as gospel. Angels can't mate with humans.
I learn visually and I really enjoy yalls channel.. thank yall
I also learn visually so we have to be all the more careful about illustrations that aren't biblical.
@kenammi355 that's why ya gotta know the bible and what it says and these men are VERY good and CORRECT on how the explain the bible
@@christiabreeden7777 Well but, for example, when they say "giants" you and I start visualizing something, right, and that something will very, very likely be incorrect since the key questions are:
What's the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word "giants" in English Bibles?
What's the vid maker's usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word "giants"?
Do those two usages agree?
For those who don't already know, this is largely based on the work of the late biblical scholar Michael Heiser. However, even if you disagree with Heiser, I think he's worth reading because he's intellectually stimulating and provocative in many ways.
I don’t recommend anyone diving into false teachings.
@@cc3775I often disagree with Heiser as much as I agree with him, but I don't know enough about him to call him a false teacher. From what I have seen, I think Heiser's main fault is that he relies far too heavily on Enochian literature and suchlike to make his case for various positions he takes (e.g. the divine council, deceased Nephilim = demons). Perhaps Heiser is more speculative than biblically warranted (again primarily based on Enochian literature). Which is reminiscent of what Augustine once said in reply to the question: "What did God do before he made heaven and earth?" Augustine retorted: "God was preparing hell for those that pry into mysteries!" At the same time, though I realize Heiser is quite speculative, I don't know if that's sufficient to call him a false teacher. What I find intriguing about Heiser is not only that he's willing to ask questions many Christians are not, but also that he's willing to provide clear answers even if I disagree with him. He's not afraid to stake out a particular position, even if it's highly controversial, whereas most Christians might wish to just say something like: "Let's not go there."
@@pattube a false teacher is someone who teaches something that’s false. So I really don’t no what else to call him.
@@cc3775well how would you know if it's false or not. It's only an interpretation.
@@nevin8604 because scripture tells no such story
I love the Bible project, these guys have broken down the Bible from its original translation and present the stories in animated bite sized digestible formats. Bravo!
Which translation is “the original”? I ask because there are so many different versions, considering the numerous translations, deletions and additions made through the decades by its unknown number of anonymous authors
A recent comment was made, that it would have been impossible for angels and humans to breed, by the difference in size alone.
Too, it's been said for the longest time that, "Angels were not created with those body parts."
Very relevant points that should be considered.
Remember Mary? the mother of Jesus...
How did she conceive?
I will consider them thusly:
"the difference in size": there's no indication that Angels differ in size from humans.
"Angels were not created with those body parts": mere assertion. Angels are described as looking just like human males and performing physical actions and without any indication that such isn’t their ontology. Why would they only be missing THE key features of the male anatomy?
@@KenAmmi-Shalom I agree with Ken...There are only slight inferences that Angels are larger... and likely only when necessary... albeit the Cherubs in Solomon's temple were 15 feet tall and 15 feet from wing tip to wing tip!... And their voice can shake door posts!
When a spirit-being causes a woman to conceive it would seem that it does NOT take the typical human mechanics... e.g. Mary was still a virgin.
@@TimEisnear-l2x Let's get a bit more technical:
I referred to Angels but you referred to Cherubim.
I'm unaware of any "inferences that Angels are larger."
The "Cherubs in Solomon's temple were" just statues.
As for, "their voice can shake door posts!" that's about Seraphim and about the heavenly temple.
As for, "a spirit-being causes a woman to conceive" well, that has nothing to do with the Gen 6 affair.
@@KenAmmi-Shalom It's unfortunate when people start to grasp at technicalities instead of substance.
First, Angel is the over-arching term for angelic-being... it encompasses ALL of them, including Cherubs.
Second, Fortunately, I was nice enough to LIST the "inferences!" The size of the golden statues and the size of the voice.
When a kitten roars... it doesn't make your knees weak, but when a LION roars... you become incontinent!! Size is inferred!
I see nothing in the scripture suggests that the statues were not to scale.
Have you forgotten the original comment... and my response regarding Mary? If Mary conceived by an Angelic-being and maintained her virginity... then the concept of them having a phallus would be false or at least irrelevant.
This kinda reminds me of the Titans, and the various monsters in Greek mythology.
Typhon was before the flood so it’s around that event yes.
Correct
In fact the "sons of god" are also called "watchers" in other scriptures (Qumran and Pseudepigraphs). This is the translation of the Egyptian term "Netheru" which were the first eight ruling gods of Egypt. This term "Netheru" is originally a Sanskrit word meaning "Guardians", "Watchers". These Netheru were the "Titans" of the Greeks. According to dates given by Manetho (the first Nether Ptah was ruling 9000 years) and Diodor (from the reign of the second Nether, the sungod Helios = Amun Re until the time of Alexander were 23.000 years) their reign began about 32.500 BC and ended according to Herodot about 17.500 BC.
@@spaceghost9969 The Greek Story of Typhon is just the Adaption of the older Egyptian story of Seth, which is just the Adaption of the older Hindu Story of Vrtra in the Veda.
This happened according to the dates given by Manetho around 20.000 BC while the first flood according to Berossos took place about 33.500 BC.
@@spaceghost9969 You have no knowledge at all but plenty of it. And just learn to red, I mentioned three stories which are identical in their content.
I’ve always thought it was weird that nobody ever talks about this part. It says in those days and AFTER the nephelem were on the earth. Which means they are still here
Where can we get the full video?? Or is it still coming??
Love your work.. God bless you.
There already is a full video of it
Just search up The Satan and the Demons
@@ramenninjaproductions9086 Thank you. God bless you.
@@princembanze2571 no problem
Wow, and here we are with Yao Ming.
In theory, if the Nephilim were still around after the flood, at least one of the women _(not saying which one)_ that Noah's 3 sons married had to be part of that bloodline for the "giant" folk to be around the Canaan area and some throughout the planet over the years and generations.
Interesting theory, mine is that there were just some people that were bigger. Like we’ve had people in recent history that were almost 9 feet tall (Robert Wadlow), I think something like that happened and that they trained him to be a fighting machine
They were sisters also… so likely all of them.
chuck missler debunks the seth thing, this is why western christianity has become so toothless and sorry. you refuse to believe in the bible and twist it to not have to believe in the supernatural or what's reality. You believe God came down in the flesh and defeated death, but you don't believe others rose with him and witnessed to people and you refuse to believe angels mated with women and created abominations despite them clearly being encountered in cities God wanted destroyed or about them being tied to the flood. more and more people are having experiences with the supernatural and paranormal and having Christianity deny it isnt helping them when Jesus is the only thing that can protect or free them. It's disheartening to say the least.
@@dyrtyharry6789 that’s what I thought too, because the Bible says that the sons of God went and took as wives anyone they chose
My working theory is that Ham's wife was the one who carried the "giant" gene since a lot of kingdoms from her end up having giants in them. Ie the Philistines.
I watched the movie Noah a good while ago.
I didn’t understand those strange creatures….. thanks, it makes sense now!
The movie was not biblical
Not an expert but this reminds me of the greek gods, part men, part god....and in other cultures as well there is mention of such 'divine' beings...
Yes they were indeed. Mix of Angels and humans that is why you know them as that powerful
The book of Enoch goes in depth about the fallen angels and the nephilim! I recommend reading it. It’s amazing!
1 Enoch is Bible contradicting folklore from centuries, if not millennia, after the Torah, see my book, "In Consideration of the Book(s) of Enoch."
@@KenAmmi-ShalomTell me one contradiction because I found none
@@warriorofthelord4142 I filled up an entire chapter's worth of examples in that book. But what's the point in defending folklore from centuries, if not millennia, after the Torah anyhow?
@@KenAmmi-Shalom Give me one here. Because I already talked about people about this and none could so I won’t waste my time on book if you cannot give me example here
@@warriorofthelord4142 So, you don't mind that it's folklore from centuries, if not millennia, after the Torah and contains ridiculous assertions such as that Nephilim were MILES tall, etc., etc., etc.?
Regarding the building of Noah’s ark, the Bible tells us that it was, in fact, Noah who built it:
“Make for an ark of gopher wood; shall make the ark with rooms, and shall cover it inside and out with pitch”…Thus; according to all that God had commanded him, so …Then it came about at the end of forty days, that Noah opened the window of the ark which (Genesis 6:14, 22, 8:6).
By faith , being warned by God about things not yet seen, in reverence for the salvation of his household, by which he condemned the world, and became an heir of the righteousness which is according to faith (Hebrews 11:7).
Yet, 1 Enoch 67:1-3 states:
And in those days the word of God came unto me, and He said unto me: “Noah, thy lot has come up before Me, a lot without blame, a lot of love and uprightness. And now a wooden (building), and when they have completed that task I will place My hand upon it and preserve it, and there shall come forth from it the seed of life, and a change shall set in so that the earth will not remain without inhabitant.”
Thus, the Book of Enoch’s “Similitudes”/“Parables” section contradicts the Bible.
Does that mean that angels and all heavenly creatures also have free will like humans?
Yes
yuuuup
Honestly I don't get why people think they don't have free will, and I don't get why they teach that they don't have free will. I was also taught they don't have free will and ran with that info until I did my own research and broke free from religion.
@@Silvermoon1kwhere does it say that angels don’t have free will? Or where does it say that they do?
@@Kenny-ni2mn
It doesn't explicitly say that Angels have free will. But judging by the Devil and his angel. It seems that they do have Free Wills.
We know that Satan was an angel called Lucifer(Read Isaiah 14:12, and Revelation 12:7, 9).
Lucifer was made Good(Genesis 1:36),
but Rebeld (Revelation 12:7)out of
his own choice(Isaiah 14:13).
Im so happy you guys explained this. Because as an avid bunle reader. Which i read in order sonit makes sense, ive seen plenty of people banking on this simple truth and this is making a lot of christians confused. They talk about panteons, wars and the likes, making it seem asnif they have thie amazing truths. Dude, just readnñ your bible, everything is there, is not big deal.
Many of those giants had been worshipped by people of different civilisations as gods. It seems almost all of them died out by the turning of 2nd millennium BC, around three thousand years ago. The elite warriors of King David, the Eliams, were known to be rather specialised in slaying giants.
Yeah I’m confused where the giants post flood came from, but i definitely believe that early mythology and biblical evidence point to literal giants existing
The video is about Nephilim and they didn't make it past the flood.
@@michaelrhodes1981 The video is about Nephilim and they didn't make it past the flood: Goliath was a Repha, not a Nephil.
@@matthewevans5758Someone on Ship was Giant
I love bible project
Finally! A channel who got it right! People seem to completely forget this Book and Chapter ...Psalm 82 Complete Jewish Bible
82 (0) A psalm of Asaf: (1) Elohim [God] stands in the divine assembly; there with the elohim [judges], he judges: 2 “How long will you go on judging unfairly,
favoring the wicked? (Selah) 3 Give justice to the weak and fatherless! Uphold the rights of the wretched and poor! 4 Rescue the destitute and needy;
deliver them from the power of the wicked!” 5 They don’t know, they don’t understand, they wander about in darkness; meanwhile, all the foundations of the earth are being undermined. 6 “My decree is: ‘You are elohim [gods, judges], sons of the Most High all of you. 7 Nevertheless, you will die like mortals; like any prince, you will fall.’” 8 Rise up, Elohim, and judge the earth; for all the nations are yours.
We will eventually become judges as well, but Heiser reads his theory into the passage. There are no mutant humans.
@@hoxiefam6731 is this comment on the wrong video? Blessings ♥️ 🙏
Is this passage directed at the Nephilim?
The "elohim", (small e) those in the "High Council" in Heaven, AKA the Sons of God. Jesus Christ was God's "unique" Son, "special", "set apart".
The elohim laid with the earthly women, and, according to how I understand Scriptures, giants were born of them. @@TimEisnear-l2x
Ummm how is that possible… the Bible tells us that angles don’t reproduce… Mathew 22:30. Jesus describes that in heaven we’ll be like angles neither marrying or reproducing for that matter. Also humans are also called the sons of God, so who’s to say that verse didn’t mean let’s say Adam’s descendants mating with Cain’s descendants. I’m genuinely curious because that interpretation doesn’t make any sense. That’s just my thoughts though
Now let me make it clear it, nowhere in the Bible does it say that they don’t reproduce, but if the point of marrying in the Bible is for reproduction then no marrying= no reproduction.
Neither does the Bible assume a gender with angles. In fact they always appear as men in the Bible … so that doesn’t make sense that angles would reproduce. Also all the rebellious angles in heaven were cast out… God doesn’t make mistakes so how could he miss a few that later rebel and sleep with earthly women?
@@fidesuwase313 Mathew 22:30 doesn't say anything like, "angles don’t reproduce." You got it right with the next line: "Jesus describes that IN HEAVEN we’ll be like angles neither marrying or reproducing for that matter." So, He was saying that the loyal ones don't marry. That's why the ones who did are considered sinners, having "left their first estate" as Jude put it.
descendants
Indeed, "no marrying= no reproduction" and so yes marrying= yes reproduction.
As for, "Neither does the Bible assume a gender with angles" but it does, all the time: Angels are described as looking just like human males and performing physical actions and without any indication that such isn’t their ontology.
And you know that because you noted, "they always appear as men" but I'm unsure why you say, "that doesn’t make sense that angles would reproduce."
When you say, "the rebellious angles in heaven were cast out" you seem to be referring to Rev 12 but that's a post-Jesus' ascension event and not in the Gen 6 timeline.
Look carefully how God bolded those children who were born and called them Nephilm that should tell you those are not ordinary people bur born special very special
I hate to be the bearer of bad news....but the realm of angels and demons is very real....God flooded the Earth for a reason....and we are very close to the Revelation of truth...Jesus Christ is coming back soon
How do you know? No man can possibly ever know when Jesus is coming back
Jeremiah 14:14
Ezekiel 13:9
With God all things are possible matthew 19:26
For to which of the angels did God ever say, "My Son art Thou: I have this day become Thy Father;" and again, "I will be a Father to Him, and He shall be My Son"?
The old testament does call the angels Sons of God
@@jaydakeyz829The sons of God are no longer angels but are now humans
Correct me if I'm wrong please 🥺🙏
@@tokitomuichiro-p3y I don't have the answer but Christians are called children of God as well but the ancient Israelite culture referred to what we call angels as sons of God. But it's also a title that rulers have claimed for themselves to appear great which is interesting that Jesus is called son of Man as a form of humility I believe
Sons of God in the book of Job are Angels
@@tokitomuichiro-p3yYou are wrong. Your confusing the issue too. We today as humans are sons and daughters adopted by God because of Jesus. So Jesus, Holy Spirit, The Father, we are God’s kids.
But the phrase Sons of God from ancient times is always for angels. It were talking about origins and such, We are Sons of Adam and Eve, because basically our original parents of humans, is Adam and Eve.
So in the topic of ancient times or talking about angels, there is a difference between Sons of God (angels) and Sons and daughters of God adopted by Jesus (Christians)
As a Christian it simply means that the sons of God were righteous men who married and defiled themselves with unrighteous women. All this other stuff is fairy tale!
So then "righteous men" sinned to terribly that their sin served as the premise for the flood: that's rather odd.
@@KenAmmi-Shalom Where do you get that at? All mankind sinned and became responsible for the flood. Read the Bible!
@@hardhittn8063 I get it from your comment.
You said, "sons of God were righteous men" but they "defiled themselves.
Ergo, "'righteous men' sinned to terribly that their sin served as the premise for the flood."
Referring to the "premise" has nothing to do with whom it ultimately involved: they served as the premise and then all humanity, sans the 8 exceptions, "became responsible."
@@KenAmmi-Shalom I'm not sure why you think the flood happened as a result of this because it's clear from the Noahic covenant that the primary reason for the flood was murder. Cain killed Abel. As a result he was cast out, mainly because he committed murder but more importantly he violated the master mayhem principle which is blood for money. He killed Abel for the "flocks of his field". From that time forward Cain and any descendants of Cain were cursed. The righteous men were godly descendants of Seth who then intermingled with the female descendants of Cain. God was obviously displeased with the righteous sons of Seth; however, the bigger problem was they had now intermingled with a cursed people and that curse continued forward into their descendants. Given enough time that curse would have permeated and continued to flourish until all were cursed. Thus the only solution was to start over.
main reason why the Flood took place in the first place
And such is why there's never been any such a thing as post-flood Nephilim.
@@KenAmmi-Shalom except those in the book of Numbers.
@@jamoretz9149EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! For post-flood Nephilim, post-flood Nephilologists are forced to rely on one single sentence spoken by utterly unreliable guys who presented an "evil report" and were rebuked by God. Post-flood Nephilolgists are forced to exclusively rely on guys whom God rebuked. It's hard to believe but their so literally obsessed with implying that God failed to be rid of them via the flood that they reply on the as if they are infallible and ignore that God rebuked them.
Ha, I said that above, some guy wanted to see them, and I’m like, yah, no you don’t…
This reminds me so much of Tolkien's Eru and the Valars.
"Sons of God" doesn't have to refer to the heavenly entities in Job, nor does "Nephilim" have to refer to people who were gigantic in stature. "Sons of God" is also used to refer to kings and even modern believers... Human beings. Seeing as the lines of Cain and Seth are discussed immediately prior to Genesis 6, and not angels, I think it's more plausible that the Nephilim were the result of intermarriages between the lines of Seth (people who called upon the name of the Lord) and Cain (who saught to build a name for themselves).
More plausible to what we see today, and yet not compared to the whole of scripture. In Numbers 13:33 the sent spies referred to the men of great size they saw as "Nephilim". So clearly their understanding of the term was of giants. Do believers not marry unbelievers today? Are their children special in some notable way? Giant or otherwise? Genesis 6 makes a special point that the Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and after, "when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them". Believers have married non-believers throughout all of time. Genesis 6 seems to be referring to something different.
Son’s of God always refers to angels. Sons of Adam is humans.
In fact, often this shallow attempt to rebrand the term Sons of God to humans is just to justify ignoring the obvious truth of the flood. Sons of God is always angels and has never been used for humans. Hence why God makes the sons of God first before the sons of adam.
You literally have to ignore the creation event to justify your argument. Not sure why you would entertain such a dishonest thought.
Furthermore, you have to ignore the physical skeletons and thousands of religions all saying their God’s came from the sky and their babies were giants. Dna test on skulls show human dna and unknown dna. Like…lol…Lets not forget the disembodied spirits of the giants are the demons, hence God warning us to not do witchcraft as God cursed the spirits of giants to roam earth.
You have to do a lot of twisting to justify Sons of God being a term for humans lol. I wonder if good angels had the possibility to be offended if they would lmao. We are the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve. Hence Sons of Adam. Its literally self explanatory…..
You are quite mistaken. Sons of God has always meant angels.
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Where is the biblical support? There’s also an argument that they were just powerful leaders. I’m genuinely curious.
The argument you mention comes from twisting the bible. Sons of God is always angels. We are Sons of Adam and Eve. The evidence for the giants is easy to find, even physical skeletons and dna tests have been done, and God himself in Deuteronomy mentions King Og, 11ft tall and 6 inches. Gods own words in bible, not my own.
The people saying they are humans also ignore God destroyed Sodom partly because the men wanted to have sex with angels. The people saying its humans called Sons of God, will argue angels cannot have sex, ignoring that the Prince of Persia in Old Testament is literally Satan posing as a human ruler.
The support would be allusions to those angels from Genesis 6 in 2 Peter 2 and Jude. Both of these make allusion to the "angels that sinned" being locked up ("chained in darkness" - jude "in tarturus" - Peter. There is no mention of fallen angels being locked anywhere in the old testament cannon, but in the second temple jewish literature there is text called the book of 1 Enoch (multiple copies in the dead sea scrolls from before the time of Jesus) which is the account of the prophet Enoch before the flood pronouncing judgement from God onto the angels who sinned in Genesis 6, to watch their nephilim children die in the flood and then be locked away in gloomy darkness until the day of the Lord. This is the only account of locked away fallen angels, and just to make it more clear Jude then directly quotes from 1 Enoch. Nobody is claiming that 1 Enoch is scripture, but it is clear that it is a good picture of how second temple jews (including at the time of Jesus and the writing of the New Testament) understood the Genesis 6 passage. To add to that, there is no evidence for any other view of this passage until just before the time of Augustine, who picked up the concept that the sons of God were human and popularized it because he just couldn't accept the other explanation. Also also, the phrase "sons of God" is used a number of times in the old testament, with the context always revealing that it is describing heavenly beings. Essentially, even if it's hard to believe, there is no other explanation that makes sense of the whole of the biblical data and is historically accurate.
Job 38:7, as one example, shows us that “sons of God” can refer to non-human beings (which the LXX has as “Angelos”).
@@Episcopalianacolyte They were angels and humans having sex. As the skeleton evidence proves and dna evidence proves, as God reaffirms countless of times in the old testament. By ignoring the truth, one has to ignore the origin of other religions and origin of demons. Ask God for help and ask him for understanding. God Bless.
man the deception is powerful. Please ignore the three who replied to you, they came to their conclusions by distorting the truth. They are fallen angels. Sons of God only ever refers in context to Angels in these passages about the Noah’s time period. People try twisting God’s words for their own agenda, so please be careful. God Bless you.
Jesus Christ is our savior and king. Amen.
God gave King David the power to demolish giants. Jesus is Lord.
The key questions are:
What's the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word "giants" in English Bibles?
What's your usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word "giants"?
Do those two usages agree?
@@KenAmmi-Shalom have you read the holy Bible?
@@JBTBTruthbetold888 Yes, thanks for asking. Have you read the holy Bible? Fascinatingly, I’ve asked those key questions to dozens and dozens (and dozens) of people who go on and on (and on) about “giants” and literally zero have replied.
@@KenAmmi-Shalom explain yourself and what kind of response are you expecting?
@@JBTBTruthbetold888I'll take that as a "no." In that case, please read it rather than getting your Nephilology from videos such as this. I mean, you don't even know what you, yourself, mean by "giants" so what is there to discuss? These sorts of videos sell un-biblical tall-tales to Christians and so the kind of response I expect from Christians is that such pop-researchers are rebuked rather then praised.
Although I would like to believe this. Another interpretation is that the Sons of God are great Kings who rule over many. As they have authority they also carry the responsibility of their peoples to be like God and Follow him. The Sons of God took onto the Daughters of Man; meaning followers of God or maybe the corrupt peoples of the earth(I forget the interpretation of Daughters of Man). When this happens the the Sons of these great figures is born in corruption and sin. Sort of like Cains ancestor who boasted of Killing. I’m also guessing that this allowed spiritual Corruption within the Kingdom causing the allowance of Demons to take control.
One of the main reasons why God started the great flood, can’t have his covenant started with these things roaming the earth
Such is why there's never been post-flood Nephilim.
Best explanation I've heard so far
Notice Jude 6-7 the parallel of the rebellious angels and the sexual immorality of Sodom and gamorra .
Indeed. 2 Peter 2 is a bit more subtle but still make that point.
Job 38:7, as one example, shows us that “sons of God” can refer to non-human beings (which the LXX has as “Angelos”).
@@KenAmmi-Shalom also Deuteronomy 32:8 lxx Translates Angels of God
@@Terrylb285Ah yes indeed! The original, traditional, and majority view among the earliest Jewish and Christians commentators, starting in BC days, was the “Angel view” as I proved in my book, “On the Genesis 6 Affair’s Sons of God: Angels or Not?: A Survey of Early Jewish and Christian Commentaries Including Notes on Giants and the Nephilim.”
That explains why there’s so many gods in Egyptian Greek Norse Hindu and Persian mythology
The book of Enoch
Though of course the book of Enoch can still only be used as a guide and not as scripture. For one, it was written much later than the time of Enoch, and secondly, it proposes Enoch as the Messiah, not Jesus.
The rest of your sentence should have been, "is Bible contradicting folklore from centuries, if not millennia, after the Torah."
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Reading this book is enriching. It deals with the statements found in the universal Bible; the encounter between fallen angels and humanity and the devastating consequences that followed. If you want to know what was happening in the world at the time of the flood, you should read this book and use the Bible to compare things to put things in context and filter out any discrepancies.
@@edaG1852 many wouldn't accept the book of Enoch for many other reason.. one of them is: it clearly states that the earth is flat.. and that there is 7 layers of heavens
@edageorgies1852 Well, every indication is that it's actually a case of, "If you want to know" folklore from centuries if not millennia after the Torah about, "what was happening in the world at the time of the flood, you should read this book and use the Bible to compare things to put things in context and filter out any discrepancies" of which there are SO MANY that I wrote an entire chapter just about examples of how it contradicts the Bible in my book "In Considertaion of the Book(s) of Enoch."
I think providing a reference to the relevant scriptures is very important these days.
Evil is everywhere and attempts to deceive and thus it's hard for people to discern what is real info and what is made just to get clicks.
The hebrew word for nefilim is a mighty warrior, not necessarily giants... nt translates neplhim to giant for greek.
@michaelrhodes1981 it's what my study bible says. Written by the scholars.
@michaelrhodes1981 I don't speak ancient Hebrew. I'm sorry. Did you use that word in a derogatory way? If so, that's definitely not what jesus taught. For have you not read to love your neighbor? For there is no jew or greek or male or female but we are all one in christ? I reccomend you start walking in the spirit and less in the flesh.
@michaelrhodes1981 we are all neighbors and are called to love all.. IT WAS the greatest commandment in the entire gospel... the bible says those who hate their brother still live in darkness. For some reason, you have intense hate in your heart for other followers of christ. I urge you to follow christ, and he will make you a fisher of men. No where does it say we have to be orthodox Christian in the bible. If I'm leading the blind than why do I preach a more consistent gospel than you? You forgot what it means to even follow God and his character. There is pure hatred and darkness in you. I'll pray for you 🙏
I take the word seriously catholic isn't for me. Studying the Bible in ancient Hebrew and Greek however is. I don't need an orthox pastor for that. I have god
Exodus 20:4
Don't make any statues or pictures of anything up in the sky or of anything on the earth or of anything down in the water.
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Just like how when a Cop does something heroic, and is called or referred like a "Superhero". Even tho in reality, he isn't literally a superhero.
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The Will of God, is to believe in Jesus.
John 6:38-40 NKJV
[38] For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. [39] This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. [40] And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
Jehovah Jehovah Jehovah Jehovah Jehovah Jehovah Jehovah Jehovah Jehovah Jehovah Jehovah Jehovah Jehovah is divine
This violates Biology and Bible. Each being was created after its kind. Angels and humans are of different kinds, and therefore can't procreate.
The Bible literally says that happened
@@WhaleManMan Nope. It didn't. It says sons of God - a term used to refer to both human beings and angels. Angels cannot procreate according to Jesus. When He was asked by the Sadducees about resurrection, he said angels do not marry. Reproduction is for physical beings, not spirit beings.
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AMEN!! Spot on!!
@@WhaleManMannot it doesn’t. What are described as giants, in Hebrew just means “tyrant, bully.” They were rulers and tyrannical men of renown, that is all.
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1 Enoch elaborates on the Nephilim.
1 Enoch is Bible contradicting folklore from millennia after the Torah, see the book, "In Consideration of the Book(s) of Enoch." It has them as being MILES tall which is great folklore but poor reality.
@@KenAmmi-Shalom Friend, miles tall? Sounds like a mistranslation. I believe I read 1 Enoch: The Hermeneia Translation, & don't recall anything about that.
All the best!
@@Belief_Before_GloryActually 25 ft tall giants existed
@@Wisdomlies Friend, I don't know about 25' but Goliath was supposed to be at least 9'6"; some say 9'9". Who really knows, right? All the best! ✨
@@Belief_Before_Glory Considering the science organizations even acknowledged until 1930 the giant skeletons and have photographic evidences, and the few science organizations not corrupted have done dna tests and more, its clear they are the hybrid giants born from angels and humans having intercourse. The dna test showing human dna and unknown dna. Denser bones, stronger muscles. 25ft is not surprising. King Og was 11ft tall. Native Americans recording 11,12,15ft tall men and women who would attack their village. Christoper Columbus.
Where did you think Zeus and Hindu Gods originated from? Apart from Christianity which is true, these other religions came from these fallen angels and giants. Thats why God sent the flood. Well one reason why.
Yes. More please
Fun fact: the original Hebrew would have said the days of Noah was full of “Hamas”
The end will be like the days of Noah
i suppose that some of them survived and went on to establish the modern "empires" of which we live today
Read Enoch of you want to know
1 Enoch is Bible contradicting folklore from millennia after the Torah, see the book, "In Consideration of the Book(s) of Enoch."
Praise God the most high
How can angels mate with humans? They can't. The sons of God they are referring to might be the descendants in the line of Seth (righteous lineage), while the daughters of men might be referring to the line of Cain (unrighteous lineage). So, therefore, the mix of that righteous and unrighteous lineage is the cause of the birth of those what they called the Nephilim. They are born from human mating and not spiritual beings and humans mating, that's not possible.
Friend, your premise is a mere assertion, "They can't" so that alone collapses your argument.
But your argument itself is also a mere assertion. Note that your view is a late-comer, it only creates more problems than it solves (so, more than zero), it's based on myth, and is ungracefully prejudice--I mean listen to yourself, you praised an entire genealogy, "Seth (righteous lineage)" and condemned an entire geology, "Cain (unrighteous lineage)."
Also, listen to what you're proposing, "righteous lineage" wasn't so righteous after all since they sinned so very badly that their sin served as a premise for the flood.
I'm unsure why you merely assert, "spiritual beings and humans mating, that's not possible" since human can also be spiritual beings. I have a feeling that you confused "spiritual" for "spirit" but if you think that Angles are spirits then that's mistaken. Angels are described as looking just like human males and performing physical actions and without any indication that such isn’t their ontology.
Just because we can't "see" how, doesn't mean the relationships didn't happen.
Jesus was literally the implanted son of god. Can god not impregnate a woman because he is spirit and not a man?
Heavenly beings are genderless. Sons of God refers to believers of God. Gigantism still happens today.
Angels are described as looking just like human males and performing physical actions and without any indication that such isn’t their ontology. Why would they only be missing THE key features of the male anatomy?
This is the Michael Heiser theory about them. I don't really ascribe to it, but everyone is welcome to present their case and we're to check it ✅
Dr. Heiser was credentialed and experienced but not infallible, his Nephilology wasn’t biblical, and he tended to create more problems than he solved-see these articles for examples:
Thank you
The sons of God were the sons of Seth (the line that will give us the Messiah), the daughters of men were the daughters of Cain (the cursed line). It is spiritually and physically impossible for a demon to have children with a human - they don’t have the parts for it! The book of Enoch is not in the Bible for a reason
Seth is God?
That makes no sense.
Though the book of Genesis does not explicitly state that "angels had children with women", it does indicate it. Applying modern Biology to a book such as the Bible is perhaps not the way to read it
This is directly from Genesis 6:
When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose.
I'd say its pretty clear they're not human.
Unless "man" is Cain and "God" is Seth.
I agree with the OP. This whole notion about the sons of God is a Michael Heiser theory and I don't believe the Bible fully supports it.
False. Sons of God is always angels. Us humans are sons of Adam and Sons of Man. What is your motivation for lying?
There are two main viewpoints about this. The one depicted here and the one that says that this view is false teaching and that nowhere in the Bible are angels called the sons of God. Only us and Jesus, THE Son of God. After hearing teaching on both sides, I'm leaning toward the second.
Kevin Zadai has good teaching on this. He said the Lord helped him understand these things when he died. It's fascinating.
It says 'sons of anak'. When referring to them, never sons of God. Daily reader of the KJV for 36 years. I would know.
Where is the rest of this video? Great images. I just read The I seem Realm this makes sooooo much sense now!
my mom told me about this….. wild
They left God for a crappy world like this. Now they will pay with hell fire forever. 🔥
Easy there. Lust is powerful thing especially when you find out Angels to not have woman at all. All are Males
Abstain from all appearances of evil 2 Thessalonians 5:22 Philippians 4:13 i can do all things through Christ who strengthens me
The Nephilim’s looked like clowns !
someone has been reading Michael Heiser lol, this is definitely a subject of the bible that needs more light as it is a eye opener to say the least. PS: look up psalms 82. it ties into this subject.
Dr. Heiser was credentialed and experienced but not infallible, his Nephilology wasn’t biblical, and he tended to create more problems than he solved-see these articles for examples:
Review of Amy Richter and Michael Heiser on four Enochian Watcher related women in Jesus’ genealogy
Rebuttal to Dr. Michael Heiser’s “All I Want for Christmas is Another Flawed Nephilim Rebuttal”
Why would an omnipotent, omniscient god need a heavenly council?
There's no reason to think that He needs one.
Why would He need anything yet He created it
@@warriorofthelord4142 There's no reason to think that He needs anything.
I’ve heard that the book of Enoch, though in the pseudepigrapha, goes into great detail about this!
Yes but (and that's a big BUT): 1 Enoch is Bible contradicting folklore from centuries, if not millennia, after the Torah, see my book, “In Consideration of the Book(s) of Enoch.”
The " Sons of God" in this passage does not reference any angels. It instead is a reference to the warrior kings themselves who claimed divine heritage. The sins of these kings was polygamy. This is why Noah and his sons are repeatedly stated of having only one wife each. Then every animal brought aboard the ship are brought aboard in pairs. One to one female to male.
The story of the flood is a story rebuking humanity for having multiple wives and for being violent.
Nah, it makes reference to nephilim as well
Nothing more than more advanced people with technology that lived here long time ago.
They had strong powers as well from them we have made all kind of comics. They were very powerful beings
Amin.
If God wanted us to learn about enoch it would've been kept preserved like all the others
They're not talking about Enoch. This is stuff from actual scripture
I don't know why people don't understand what God is trying to say...... You have the sons of God, which are his followers that mingled with the sons of cain..... Remember God put a mark on cane's forehead because he killed his brother Able.....So those that were followers of God mingled with the descendants of cain..... So they're offspring turned out as giants... Remember...... Jesus says that angel's cannot marry or reproduce.... So who are you gonna believe because angels are just ministering spirit
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Jesus never said they couldn't procreate, just that they weren't in matrimony with one another in Heaven. Anyways, every other instance where the phrase "sons of God" is used in the Old Testament, it is referring to divine beings.
Tell me how they can than eat with Abraham
So, you're saying that God's followers sinned so terribly that their sin served as the premise for the flood: that's rather odd.
But you're ungracefully prejudice since you condemn all "sons of cain" but you didn't bother telling us how you know that--but I know it's because your late-comber of a view is based on myth.
You asked us to "Remember...... Jesus says that angel's cannot marry or reproduce" but I don't remember since He never said any such thing.
That "angels are just ministering spirit" is based on the version you're reading but many have it that they are "winds" and rightly so based on the context in from which you're quoting, which is Psalm 104:4 which calls for a correlation to natural phenomena.
As for "giants," the key questions are:
What's the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word "giants" in English Bibles?
What's your usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word "giants"?
Do those two usages agree?
It's possible that nephlim were strong figures who defined God instead of Giants
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One love
There are other more reasonable interpretations of who these "sons of God" where, that doesn't make them anything supernatural. For that explanation find Jimmy Akin.
Job 38:7, as one example, shows us that “sons of God” can refer to non-human beings (which the LXX has as “Angelos”).
Jude and 2 Peter 2 combined refer to a sin of Angels, place that sin to pre-flood days and correlate it to sexual sin which occurred after the Angels, “left their first estate,” after which they were incarcerated, and there’s only a one-time fall/sin of Angels in the Bible.
The original, traditional, and majority view among the earliest Jewish and Christians commentators, starting in BC days, was the “Angel view” as I proved in my book, “On the Genesis 6 Affair’s Sons of God: Angels or Not?: A Survey of Early Jewish and Christian Commentaries Including Notes on Giants and the Nephilim.”
How can spiritual beings mate with physical beings? This is my confusion here
How can Holy Spirit make Marry have a virgin birth of Jesus Christ?
I don't see how that's even a question since humans mate and produce offspring with humans all of the time and humans can be spiritual beings even whilst being physical.
You may have mistaken spiritual for spirit. Yet, if you meant that Angels are spirits then that's a mistaken view. Angels are described as looking just like human males and performing physical actions and without any indication that such isn’t their ontology.
@@Episcopalianacolyte Good point and also irrelevant to biblical Angelology which always describes Angels as looking like human males and performing physical actions.
You misunderstand the scripture. The Sons of God were then (as they are now) those who were obedient & faithful to God, not angelic beings. The Daughters of Men were those who were not faithful. So, their offspring, though mighty & long-lived were not faithful to God. They were wicked. This shows the consequence when Gods people marry nonbelievers; the earth becomes filled with evil. Secondly, the Nephilim, sometimes translated "giants" , were not men. It probably refers to what modern man calls "dinosaurs". So, the biblical author is telling his readers that before the flood, all this happened (intermarriage & the rise of evil) during the days of the dinosaurs.
The only "angelic beings" are Angels. But you seem to be saying that, "those who were obedient & faithful to God" weren't so those who were obedient & faithful to God since they sinned so very badly that their sin served as the premise for the flood.
Technically, Nephilim is never translated "giants": that's just a rendering.
Are you actually asserting that the offspring of those who were obedient & faithful to God and those who were not faithful were dinosaurs?
@@KenAmmi-Shalom No, Im saying that this passage of scripture is telling us that during the time of the dinosaurs, godly men married ungodly women, and that is what led to the rise of evil. This passage in Genesis is NOT implying that angels married humans & had supernatural children.
@@Sahmgirl Job 38:7, as one example, shows us that “sons of God” can refer to non-human beings (which the LXX has as “Angelos”).
Jude and 2 Peter 2 combined refer to a sin of Angels, place that sin to pre-flood days and correlate it to sexual sin which occurred after the Angels, “left their first estate,” after which they were incarcerated, and there’s only a one-time fall/sin of Angels in the Bible.
The original, traditional, and majority view among the earliest Jewish and Christians commentators, starting in BC days, was the “Angel view” as I proved in my book, “On the Genesis 6 Affair’s Sons of God: Angels or Not?: A Survey of Early Jewish and Christian Commentaries Including Notes on Giants and the Nephilim.”
This right here cannot be fully understand without more scripture that is in book of Enoch. The Bible is clearly silent on most important even that has happened so something is missing definitely and anyone who reads it can tell it. And for some reason Bible chose to call that specific humans something great and to bolden them as Nephilm so that should tell you they were not born completely normally
This explains why some people who have near death experiences in hell, see men who seem huge and extremely strong.
How could it since we've no reliable physical description of Nephilim?
I graduated in the 80s and would see cultural references to the Greek Gods, Zeus or whatever, then we learned about them in school, I always wondered why, math, English, history ok, but why did these mythology guys keep coming up, we didn't learn about mythology anywhere else on the world, ? I just didn't get it, getting it now
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They were also familiar with the book of enoch
Societies have always cried out for these types of “gods”. If people would worship a golden calf. Or cry out for Saul to rule them as king, how much more would they cry out and want to be ruled by something that displays superhuman abilities and powers and looks otherworldly. Meanwhile Jesus is a gentle God who just wants people to rule over themselves by crucifying their own flesh so they can live a more abundant life. …But no, people would rather be subjected to oppression and cruelty than take personal accountability.
Okay guys I’m calling out a gap in information. Warrior Kings we are told shouldn’t be honoured, who are they that we honour them?
The children of Olympus were all AFTER the flood. I mean Perseus and well before that too. Even Dionysus was not born until well after.
Who are these falsely honoured warrior kings? You said people who honour them should not, so how do people begin to honour that which can’t be named?
those people honored the giants but rejected the Messiah until this day
Nice short though
It’s like the Greeks legends of the Titans.
Were the Titans the half-angels... or the angels?
Were Hercules, Achilles, etc... the half-humans?
The Titans were finished before Cain and Able we’re making sacrifices, the reason Adam and Eve got skins and Able sacrifices fat and bone is because of a trick Prometheus played on Zeus to assess the rules.
There was war between giants who looked like clowns and the gods all flooded the earth.
Dionysus wasn’t even born until way wayyyy after the flood. Hercules and Achilles are not giants, Demi gods are not the heroes of old, what that’s talking about are like tribal dance stories about their ancestor spirits fighting over them.
@@TimEisnear-l2x the Titans are children of Gaia, earth, giant, Geology.
Also Caelus or Urectum, the sky. Giants and demons also come from the skies blood in the earth. Saturn did that.
@@spaceghost9969 I'm familiar with the Greek and Roman stories, but they are twisted versions of the truth influenced by fallen angels(demons)... There is only ONE God... the rest are jealous, fallen angels trying to pretend to be God.
This 1 guy talking sounds like Nate from blurry creatures!!!😊
Why do so many people get their theology from a book which goes against our Messiah? The First Book of Enoch (part of the Jewish and Christian Apocrypha) describes Phanuel at work fighting evil in his role offering hope to people who repent of their sins and inherit eternal life. When the prophet Enoch hears the voices of four archangels standing in the presence of God, he identifies the first three as Michael, Raphael, and Gabriel, and then says: “And the fourth, who is in charge of repentance, and hope of those who will inherit eternal life, is Phanuel” (Enoch 40:9). A few verses earlier, Enoch records what he heard the fourth voice (Phanuel) saying: “And the fourth voice I heard driving away the Satans and not allowing them to come in front of the Lord of Spirits to accuse those who dwell on earth” (Enoch 40:7).
After this the rebelling angels were locked up, so where did the Nephilim come from after the Flood? Face it, Enoch contradicts scripture.
Indeed, 1 Enoch is Bible contradicting folklore from centuries, if not millennia, after the Torah, see my book, "In Consideration of the Book(s) of Enoch."
It contradicts the Bible so much that I filled an entire chapter with examples but it only has post-flood Nephilim in spirit form.
I see no contradiction at all
@@warriorofthelord4142 Well, keep looking ;o) I filled an entire chapter of that book with examples.
This seems very conjecture-based to me. Genesis 5 is about the lineage of righteous Seth as a contrast to the unrighteous descendents of Cain in Genesis 4. You'll even notice that That genealogy does not start with Seth or even Adam but with God. Gen 5:1-2 implies that the generations of Adam started with God, ergo God is their father. It is true that much later on in scripture the "counsel" of God is referred to as the sons of God but the immediate context of Genesis makes it pretty clear that the Sethites are the descendants of God. And although this is the first use of 'sons of God' the concept of 'son of...' is used many times in Genesis as figurative speech. Therefore to a Hebrew reader of Genesis 6 I think they would not think the writer was referring to fallen angels but to men fallen from grace, so to speak. Bear in mind, Nephillim doesn't actually mean giant. It means fallen one. The idea of them being giants comes from numbers 13. Anyways, im yet to read Heisner on this so maybe he'll change my mind. The evidence seems stacked against him though
So then, "the lineage of righteous Seth" weren't that righteous since they sinned so terribly that their sin served as the premise for the flood: that's rather odd.
But the view you propose isn't only a late-comber, it's based on myth, based on prejudice, and only creates more problems than it solves (so, more than zero).
The key questions are:
What's the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word "giants" in English Bibles?
What's your usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word "giants"?
Do those two usages agree?
Dr. Heiser was credentialed and experienced but not infallible, his Nephilology wasn’t biblical, and he tended to create more problems than he solved-see these articles for examples:
"Review of Amy Richter and Michael Heiser on four Enochian Watcher related women in Jesus’ genealogy"
"Rebuttal to Dr. Michael Heiser’s 'All I Want for Christmas is Another Flawed Nephilim Rebuttal'”
Not the devil. But fallen angels having children with human. God Himself destroyed the Nephilims. It is told in book of Enoch.
Fallen angels who were not Fallen before that act but Holy and Watchers of Worlds
never mock or disobey god
So the question everyone should be asking is if angels have DNA compatible with humans. This is a huge question
Love the pun! Angels are always described as looking like human males, we were created “a little lower” than them, and we can reproduce with them so, by definition, we’re of the same basic “kind.”
@@KenAmmi-ShalomI don't know that they always look like human males. I mean, have you read Ezekiel? I think they merely take on a human form.
Part human, part God? Do we see what we do when we add to scripture? Nephilim is another word for giant. Genesis 6:4 clearly refers to them as "mighty men" and "men of renown." Mighty and renown, but men, not half man, half God hybrids.
No, part human, part Angel.
As for, "Nephilim is another word for giant": what only begs the question of what "giant" means so the key questions are:
What's the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word "giants" in English Bibles?
What's your usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word "giants"?
Do those two usages agree?
You say, "men...men...not half man, half God hybrids" but you fail to consider that humans, and Angels, and Nephilim are referred to as man/men.
@@KenAmmi-Shalomtell me exactly where in the bible that says there is a human and angel who mated creating giants.
Two questions for people to just think about. How can a spiritual being have sex with a human, it doesn’t say that at all actually it says in heaven we won’t be married therefore we can think that there’s no reproduction either. Second, it says “sons of God” and “daughters of man” doesn’t exactly say angels so we can’t assume, but anyway if we trace backwards to when a fallen deity cause humans to sin both HUMANS and FALLEN ANGELS (the serpent) were punished yet when it mentions sons of God it says only humans were punished. It does not say it’s angels, theorize but don’t show it as if it were truth because we don’t know
"How can a spiritual being have sex with a human": why couldn't they? Humans can be spiritual and humans have sex with humans on a regs.
I'm unsure what "in heaven we won’t be married therefore we can think that there’s no reproduction either" has to do with what happened on Earth.
Job 38:7, as one example, shows us that “sons of God” can refer to non-human beings (which the LXX has as “Angelos”).
Jude and 2 Peter 2 combined refer to a sin of Angels, place that sin to pre-flood days and correlate it to sexual sin which occurred after the Angels, “left their first estate,” after which they were incarcerated, and there’s only a one-time fall/sin of Angels in the Bible.
The original, traditional, and majority view among the earliest Jewish and Christians commentators, starting in BC days, was the “Angel view” as I proved in my book, “On the Genesis 6 Affair’s Sons of God: Angels or Not? A Survey of Early Jewish and Christian Commentaries Including Notes on Giants and the Nephilim.”
When you refer to "fallen deity cause humans to sin both HUMANS and FALLEN ANGELS (the serpent)" well, the serpent was Satan, he's a Cherub, and his sinful/fallen action is recorded in the Gen 3 timeline but the sinful/fall of Angels is recorded in Gen 6 timeline.
You say "only humans were punished" but biblically Angels and Nephilim and humans are all called man/men.
Besides, it doesn't have to list everyone who was published and, again, see Jude and 2 Peter 2.
Read the book "The Twelfth Planet". It explains in detail with references to ancient texts and scriptures of who the Nefilim were and what their purpose on earth was
Dr. Michael Heiser had an open challenge to debate Zecharia Sitchin but Sitchin refused.
Love for you to qoute the actual hebrew scripture. Also i imagine that yes at first they thought their own offspring wouldnt rebel against them .
I think this is out of context.the sons of God in Genesis refers to the believers, not angels. We are introduced to the sons of God in Gen when Cain had killed his brother which created division between those who worshipped the Lord and those who did not thus the sons ofGod and the sons of man. Put into consideration that humans have and still give birth to giant(e.g Goliath)Moreover, angels were created differently from humans, they do not reproduce like we do therefore how could they have sex? Lastly, Jesus says he can give us the power to become sons of God.John 1:12 in the following manner: “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God. This stamps the point that there has never been any mingling with angels sexualy ever.
So, then you teach that, "believers" sinned so terribly that their sin served as the premise for the flood: that's rather odd.
I see that you just inserted the concept of, "sons of God" and "sons of man" into a text that doesn't refer to it. Also, Gen 6 refers to "sons of God" and "daughters of men" so why did you change that?
As for, "giant(e.g Goliath)," the key questions are:
What's the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word "giants" in English Bibles?
What's your usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word "giants"?
Do those two usages agree?
You asserted, "angels...do not reproduce...how could they have sex" well, it's quite simple: Angels are described as looking just like human males and performing physical actions and without any indication that such isn’t their ontology. Why would they only be missing THE key features of the male anatomy?
Job 38:7, as one example, shows us that “sons of God” can refer to non-human beings (which the LXX has as “Angelos”).
Jude and 2 Peter 2 combined refer to a sin of Angels, place that sin to pre-flood days and correlate it to sexual sin which occurred after the Angels, “left their first estate,” after which they were incarcerated, and there’s only a one-time fall/sin of Angels in the Bible.
The original, traditional, and majority view among the earliest Jewish and Christians commentators, starting in BC days, was the “Angel view” as I proved in my book, “On the Genesis 6 Affair’s Sons of God: Angels or Not?: A Survey of Early Jewish and Christian Commentaries Including Notes on Giants and the Nephilim.”
When you say, "Jesus says he can give us the power to become sons of God..." you're being myopic: see the Job text I just cited.
Thus, when you assert, "there has never been any mingling with angels sexualy ever" you're coming to that conclusion based on assertions, misunderstandings, myopia, etc.