Matching Motor, ESC, & Battery
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
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I'm back and with another great video. In this video, I will show you how to match your Brushless Motor, with your ESC, and with your Battery. The equasions are simple, and it will save you a lot of headache in the future. If you have any questions about any of this, come on over and post up on our forum. We are always there to help you.
To figure out your amp rating on your motor with only the watts, you simply divide motor watts by battery volts. To figure out your watts if all you have is amps, you multiply motor amps by battery volts.
To figure out the amp rating on a battery, you multiply the MAH by the C rating, then divide that number by 1000. this will give you the amp rating for constant draw out of your battery. If your motor amp rating is close to your battery amp rating, then you can over heat the battery. I would put a 10 amp cushion on the battery. Lets say your motor draws 45 amps, you will want a 55 amp rate battery. If your ESC is only 50 amps, then it could get hot as well, and I would suggest a 60 amp.
One question I get asked a lot is, "Can I run a larger battery C rating without hurting anything?". The answer is YES. Your motor will only pull the power it needs. The battery is not forcing the power into the motor, the motor is pulling the power from the battery.
I hope I was able to help some of you out with this. Please let me know if you have any questions about any of this by posting up on our forum!
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Confusion. What do you mean by "bigger" battery? Do you mean a higher amperage rating? Do you mean more voltage? Both could be bigger, one would make a difference and the other would not.
If you use a battery with "bigger" voltage, you WILL get more power. This is what "they" mean.
In this video, "Bigger" was meaning the C rating, or Amperage rating. Back in 2011 when this video was made, everyone was saying "go with a 'bigger' (more amperage) battery and you will have more power". But, this was back in 2011 and I need to remake this video to be more clear. I made this video to get the point across that a higher C rating will not get you more power, and if it does, it was not a large enough C rating to begin with. James, I appreciate your comment
Tony, you are trying to explain how to match these components but then you say "bigger battery". You also say that folks are wrong when they say you get more power when you use a "bigger" battery. You need to define "bigger". Most of the time the average modeler means higher cell count (4S vs 3S) when they say bigger. You WILL get more power if you use a 4S battery than a 3S battery. The 4S battery has a higher voltage which result is more power. So, don't use ambiguous terms like "bigger" say exactly what you mean (higher voltage bigger or physical size bigger or higher mah bigger).
@@RcHelpDotCom Ummm a higher C rated battery will give you more power, especially if you use a higher esc.. Example.. you motor pulls 55 amps, but you could put a bigger prop on that allows you to pull more amps, but because your batter can only say put out 65 amps, it will put out more up to the burst and then get hot expand and then fail. but.. if you put say a batter that puts out 65C now that same motor will pull the bigger amp draw, but at what expense? maybe more heat in the motor, maybe more heat in the ESC.. basically your video is very good at setting correct esc,batter, and motor specs, but it doesn't protect against bigger draws.. The fact that brushless motors will pull more amps... power based on the battery and ESC, and load but at the cost of motor damage or even burning it up!!.. We in the RC Boating have this problem all the time to go faster.
@@ericdiannestrickland7511 The C of the battery itself doesn't provide any additional power.
What produces power is the load on the motor.
BUT, if the load is draining more current than your current battery can provide, probably the battery is getting way hot. Switching it with a higer C battery now you can deliver the current your motor is asking for, and thus getting the "additional" power...
Remember, is not the C of the battery that is providing any power. Take a setup which drains 10A. Assuming your battery can easily provide 30A with 20C for instance, switch the battery with a 60C one.. power will be the same.
I'm a total rc novice and this helped me sooooooo much In understanding how to pick the right motor esc and battery! U rock bro!!!!!
Still informing (after all these years), those like me that didn’t understand this side of the hobby 👍👍 I had to watch it a couple of times and then do the math on my own choices when a light went on!! Thank you for this great video and explanation.
Thanks a million man. I am pretty new to this sport/hobby and I started out clueless. Before I spent more money only to crash and burn I invested in a very good sim which I spent an hour a day at least just learning to fly for my first two years and it did help me tremendously but there is nothing like the actual thing. i hear what you're saying about being careful as to what some guys say on the net. you and a few others have taught me more common sense things like all of the major pieces you gotta take into consideration when shopping around. Believe me I felt like a moron for far too many years and have mismatched components and allof the knuckle head things one does without asking questions and doing the research because there is a lot going on under the cowl. thanks I really enjoyed your presentation and even took notes which I will keep and use..take care,
Chris
Thank you very much for this instruction video. I recently bought a glider but I am using a different battery than what the box instructed me to use and got mixed info regarding how I am to work out if my battery would work with this motor, using your instructions I was able to work out that my battery was more than enough for the motor and that the ESC can handle the battery perfectly fine.
Just remember, the motor is what pulls the power, the ESC regulates that power and the battery just supplies the power. As long as the ESC and battery are large enough (high enough amps) to handle the motor, you should be golden! www.Rc-Help.com
I fly quadcopters but I find that your videos are very helpful in helping me understand the electronics
I'm glad we could help out. Thanks for commenting. www.Rc-Help.com
Brushless motors are given a Kv rating, which is RPM per volt, that lets you determine how fast that motor will rotate with a given voltage supplied to it. A 980Kv motor powered by an 11.1V battery would spin at 980 x 11.1 = 10878 RPM with no load. The current rating specifies the maximum continuous and/or burst current that the motor is able to handle. When selecting a battery and speed control, choose ones with continuous current ratings equal to or greater that that of the motor.
Oh man, where has this video been all my life, my robbe charter is sitting not finished due to the fact that I havent worked it out yet. Thanks
Glad I could help out Patrick!
Good learning, thanks for this video
That’s just so helpful for a novice like me. It makes total sense. Thanks so much
The helpful, non-subjective info is appreciated.
I've been looking for hours for this exact information. Thank you sir, you are a genius.
this was the best no BS advice explanation thanks rc-help
Thanks for the great video. I have a new electric glider and the ESC runs very warm which forces me to keep the flights short. Knowing something is not matching up right your video will allow me to calculate my ratings. Thanks again.
Thank you very much for the wonderful information.
A TRULY great video because you explain everything and now i can find what i need for my airplane
THANKYOU!!!!!!
This just 😊 helped me with my rc drag racing build!!!
now this is something useful.
Nobody explained it better than you! Thanks!
You're welcome!
I got great knowledge confidence and a ability to inquire about any type of plane bc I now understand the basics. thank you very much for setting the process of understanding the electronics straight.
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Great information!
Glad it was helpful!
Excellent video. I just figured out why my hexacopter battery is getting hot. I need a bigger battery. Thanks!
Still prob the best and one of only things I can find on what you would think is one of the most common questions!
So really on any engine, you can run any voltage battery as long as the Amperage is enough? Is it that simple
Very good video, but if you're playing around with prop sizes you best be careful when due to prop size you're pulling more amps than your entire setup can handle and you're on the brink of a burst or electrical fire. Use a "Watt Meter".
Good video, covering the motor and prop selection. However, I wish you would have provided references how you came up with these formulas for prop diameter, pitch and rpm. You also didn't indicate the stall and pitch speed (or advance ratio) for a successful flight. Did you, for example, compare your findings with ECalc to see if there are discrepancies?
Thanks for your quick reply.
let's take Turnigy 710kv as an example. the spces( Battery: 3~5 Cell /11.1~18.5V
RPM: 790kv
Max current: 40A
No load current: 1.8A
Max power: 715W)
According to your equation, if I will use 3 cells battery.. to calculate ESC: 715/11.1 = 64 Amp .. which is not correct .. the max input current is 40amp.
my point, power value is changed according to voltage (# of cells).. I hope that I was able to deliver my point .. btw, I like your channel :) :)
Yes ,you are right.Lipo are more reliable in power supply.
But as just a confirmation I need.Li ion will work on my ESC.
One more thing.
Do it need any ESC programming change.
This info was great thanks mate.
I'm a noob and I thought just get the biggest everything lol
Thanks for a setting a boofhed straight before I burnt something expensive to the ground.
Great video!
Thank you for sharing all of this great information! I much appreciate it as i am just now getting ready to convert some of my 25% size gas & nitro planes to electric power.
I have a 960 kv motor, not sure of the amp draw. 2200 lipo....and the 30A ESC gets hot and softens the wires to the point it quit operating. Motor just rattles back and forth on throttle now. ESC is shot....so I'm installing a 40A. According to your suggestions I feel I'm heading in the right direction.
Great video very helpful thank you
Glad it was helpful! www.Rc-Help.com
While a bigger mAh rating would not give you higher performance in terms of power, but it would definitely enhance the duration of your flight. A 2650 mAh batter would provide 2600 mA or 2.6 amp for one hour i.e. until the battery completely dies or zero volts. It is not recommended that a lipo be allowed below 9 volts.
Awesome video. Helps me alot. I am new to the RC world.
Thanks bro, I really appreciate your speedy response!
Thank you for this! Big help
I’m working on r/c racing boat. Wonder if these calculations would apply
I basically want enough battery supply to keep my quadcopter in flight for 30mins with a 8" prop. Now I can imagine that depending on how much trottle you use you will have a different result but I just would like an approximation. Also, I'm considering maybe running two 3s batteries in PARALLEL. Just pointing this out as 'Toby French' might have put these two batteries in series?
Thanks a bunch! :)
Simple & clear explanation. Well done!
WOW ITS nice explanation .its hard to set up ,can i ask pls sir.i have 1200kv 3536 motor what battery i need to use for my plane,and rating?and more the 4s3p li ion battery would work for this.esc is 30 amps.
yeah, clear as mud. 3550kv devided by 11.1v came out to 319.81. now i,m really deep in the woods.
thank you, this is a very helpful and informative vid. 👍🏻😎
Mostly what I hear is a larger battery will give you more run time,not faster. I have noticed that myself. The C rating would determine speed ,that is what determines how much juice the motor can use from the battery. The larger the C rating,the more power you can get out of the battery,but if you go beyond what the ESC can handle,it wont matter,you will fry the ESC and mabe the motor. I would stay within the recommended sizes and "C ratings, a larger battery may give you more time,but if it is bigger,it will not help performance,throw the CG off and you may have problems fitting it in your fuse.
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In your case 2650 was because you had to add weight issiue. But in case of this Edge plane and your set. With solved weight issue can you spend more time in air? 2650mAh is always more time for fly than 2200 or I'm wrong? I would like to understand this good.
thx
very good tutorial
Thanks alot for information.
It's my pleasure.
its best to go 25% oversize with the ESC meaning loaded up max at 80% .. good vid "47amp X 1.25 = 58.75 round up to nearest 60 amp" esc
If the aircraft can sustain the extra weight, they go for it.
Great video. I have looked all over for something that explains it all so clearly. The only thing I am still unclear on is how does a prop fit into all of this? Once you figure out that you have the right setup, how do you figure out what prop to run?
First video I've seen on this that made sense, thanks man!
Hi very handy video thanks ... So a esc never to high right ?
Does the Esc amperage need to be bigger or lower than the batterys amps. ? If i have an instalation that require 60A , 60/4 =15A about an 20A Esc will work but the battery amperage need to be bigger or lower than 20A Required per motor ? The battery will need 60000mAh or the mAh multiplyed by C rate need to be 60A?
It's saying about lipo 6s.I don't know li ion and lipo are having same properties.Did it support li ion.You are good informer in battery and ESC.so it's a wise opinion I am expecting.
So you say going from a 3s to a 4s or (up in battery voltage) wont increase power .
But say your motors max draw was 50 amps . 50x11.1 (3s lipo) = 555(watts) . Now if we up the voltage to 14.8v (4s lipo) . so 50(amps) x 14.8(4s lipo) = 740(watts) . Which is more power if im not mistaking .
3-4s is not what I was saying in this video. I'm saying going up in C rating (C, not S), if you see an increase in power, then your old battery did not have a high enough C rating and was causing a bottleneck. www.Rc-Help.com
Increasing series is better for making more power with less amp draw your motors will last longer but never exceed the manufacturers recommendation for the number of cell in series.
What does C mean if i want to calculate to ampers? Where can I find it on the product description?
Thanks for the reply in such a short notice.
Great video.
Quick question, if the lipo is 25c 2200mah how can you get 55amps continues? I thought with a 25c you will get 25amps continuous and around 50am bursts.
Nice plane and great video! What if you install a heavy duty navigation lighting system powered off the same battery? How would you figure out your battery size then?
Very helpful video Tony!!
This might sound dumb but if you get a bigger battery, bigger as in more mAh not C rate, you would get more flight time right?
do you know if this motor will fit the extreme flight 48" Vanquish? If so, what motor is it?
What if you already have a motor and want to put it in a new model, but the motor only states size and KV? Some model companies give the kv to match, but what if the kv is good but the size doesnt match smaller/bigger? Some others give GP/EP options, how do i tell if my EP motor matches the GP size? How do I work out the Watts or Amp of my motor with only KV on it? Ive got two motors I wanna use in new models, a 3226 - 970kv, and a 4250 - 910kv
Excellent tutorial. Without a doubt, the best one I have watched EVER!.
Thanks
Great Video ... I am confused over one thing. you mention how to determine the AMP rating of the motor by dividing the watts by the number of volts (700/14.4) 47 amps. If I use the same scenario and use a 3s battery (700/11.1) 63 amps.
Does this mean that I need a larger ESC with a smaller battery? 3s versus a 4s battery? I must be missing something ...
I'm right here with ya on this ? lolzzz
Your better off going with a 4s pack
because 63 amps will reduce your fight time.
Yes a small 3s pack only supplies 11.1 volts
on 700watt motor need more amps to spin it do to the lower volts. its all a balance for a motor to produce 700 watts.
Good advice, all makes sense.
I know It’s a dumb question, but how do you know how many amps the battery can handle? I’m looking on Amazon for batteries in and of them say it. Please help. Thanks
Great video. ANY Ideas of how i would convert my apc prop on my electric motor to a wooden propeller. And get the same or better performance?? that would be a great video.
been a while brother, and that is a nice plane should have flew it at west coast huckfest we had hosted here in lodi, ca.
will you see a longer flight time with the larger batterie? What sort of flight time do you see from this setup?
Thank you for the video. It falls down badly for me when it says 'the motor is 700 watts' - how do you know that? It all makes sense with that knowledge, but not knowing makes it impossible to proceed. Also, I have to set up a power train from scratch, and have no 'manufacturers recommendations', so again, impossible to proceed. Thanks, anyway.
I had another question. The motor i want to use says the max voltage is 8.4v. does this mean if i give it more than 8.4 it will burn up? It just doesnt seem like that much power.
Awesome! Is it the same principle for rc cars???
Yes, it is! All electronics in these models will follow the same principal. www.Rc-Help.com
Hy, does the ESC Amperage need to be bigger that the motor amp with 20% more, the battery also need to have a bigger value but the ESC how it need to be in comparation with the battery Amperage ? i saw that you have a 60 A esc with 50 A battery, if you put a bigger Amperage battery value , will burn the ESC ?
if i am building my own rc plane then how to know how much power is required i.e. how big motor to use?
What if i have an airframe weight avrage 1.44kg with 2200mah ESC, what motor i have to use for this RC-plane?
I've try twice with 2212-1000kv but always fail.
Good power rating is 150 to 200 watts per pound.
3.117 lbs you need a motor that can generate 556 watts about 175 watts per pound then you to find out how much room in the battery compartment for your battery how many series cells can fit that will supply enough watts amps volts after that go to a motor web site like, Tom cat and then start
checking the motor sizing chart from the chart it will help you decide which motor will work for you.
THANK YOU SO MUCH for the details!!!! you helped a lot!!!
Can u pair a 50c 7.4 volt battery to a 30a esc and a a2212 motor
Thank you! finally I got every 100%.
Hey, I am a hobbyist can you tell me how do you select the motor for rc aircraft? How much thrust to weight ratio do you choose ?
Great video, it`s just what I need as I`m just getting into electric motors, ESCs and li poly battery's..but I was wondering, if I`m looking to get a longer flight time instead of more power how would I go about that ? run a equal battery in parallel ? could I use a battery with more cells(but the volts would be different now?) ? higher C rating ? I`m a little confused about this part and could really use help !
Hello i need help? Im looking at a motor that has a max watt of 315W, but i divided that by the battery I'm looking at volts which is 7.4V but got 42A and says the motors max current is 25A. What do i do?
To get the amp draw from the motor, you said you need the wattage. How do you figure out the watts of the motor from the kv number?
You can't figure out the watts with the KV. KV on these brushless motors means RPM Per Volt. So if you have a 1000kv motor, 1 volt will equal 1000 RPM, 2 volts, 2000 rpm and so on. The best way to figure out wattage is with a watt meter which are pretty inexpensive now, but the motor manufacturer should give some numbers to start with. This is where I would start. Hope this helps. www.Rc-Help.com
Great video , very informative , cheers .......
Nice Tony! Good to see you back at it :)
Thank you, that is really helpful.
One question though. Is there a way of calculating the wattage of a motor when it is not given by the manufacturer?
If the manufacturer has not provided a max wattage or max amperage, then you will need an Amp Meter, or ammeter, whichever way you want to spell it. Put the suggested prop on it (or whatever load your situation requires) and run it at full load with a full battery. Remember, Ohms law, the higher the volts, the lower the amps, the lower the volts, the higher the amps. www.Rc-Help.com
@@RcHelpDotCom My setup: motor 650 watts, esc 45, battery 3200 maH, 20c. from your formulas, now I'm concerned about smoking the 45 ESC? It was in an ARF, (except battery, which I bought).
Great video! Iam starting in RC, and i want to get a kit for seaplane. but it would be great if the kit could be used in other planes, so... what you recomend, a 4 cell bat kit o 3 cels??
The voltage will depend on the plane and the electronics requirements. I can't tell you what those are since I don't know what you are purchasing. Just read the manual for the parts you have and it will tell you what to use.
thnx alot , that was the best explanation i cud get
Thanks mate. I'll try that!
Hi, I just got a CR28M KV: 1050. That is 2 contrarotating motors, rated by the manufacturer at 320W or 25A each. Do I need two separate ESCs, rated at 25A each? And a battery that can push 50A? What battery do you recommend? This is my first build and I'm quite overwhelmed. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Hi Tony. Great video! im new to 3d Helis but im planning to build a Exi 450 heli. i been watching alot of Vids and reading alot of blogs about how to build it using the right electronics but no one has ever seem more clear that this Vid you made. Thanx alot...! just to be SURE though im planning to get a Turnigy 2900-3500Kv Motor with a Turnigy dlux 40A SBC ESC with a 2200 mAh 3S 30C lipo. is that combo ok?
and what difference would i see if i use a lower Kv rating motor? or a 3000mAh 3S 40C.
So im running a 190amp motor with a 150 amp esc 🤦♂️ makes alot of sense now why it keeps cutting out.
ok so Kv is constant velocity. NOT kilovolts (kV) got it. are wattages usually listed when you get a new motor?
KV is RPM Per Volt. Take that KV number and multiply it by the voltage of your battery. And wattages are 'usually' on the spec sheet. If they are not, then you will need to use a watt meter to find out what the number is. www.Rc-Help.com
what about the voltage of the battery and voltage of the motor? Can I get a higher voltage than that necessary for my motor? For example, I see this motor rated as 2-3S but im considering a 4S battery. I'm new to the hobby and trying to get my head wrapped around the selection process. Thank you.
What is the math for prop size?
Size of prop
Thanks
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I'm build a 1800mm ov10 with rimfire and 80amp esc can I use 6s lipos instead of 4s the motors are rated up to 6s ?
I'm using two rimfire .46 outrunner brushless motor 800kv
This may be a dumb question, but here goes... Does the amp rating listed on a motor indicate the max amps that the motor should be drawing? Or is it just approximately what the manufacturer thinks you'll get? ie: I have a 670kv motor rated at 40amps on a 4s (14.8V) battery which gives me 45.27 Amps. Am I overworking the motor? ( a 5 cell would bring it right down to 39amps, but I already bought two 4 cells)
Thank you
My pleasure.
yes, I agree with you.
Thanks for the info, i will be adding you to my channels. I have watched many vids you have done. I love this one and the learn how to fly series you did. I have started gathering info on an HK-250 / EXI 250 build. I was searching for info on what to buy. Since watching I have made some changes to my config. I have selected these parts let me know if this will work:
Turnigy L25084A motor, Turnigy AE-30A Brushless ESC, Turnigy 1000mAh 2S 30C
Will I still have enough power for the build.
I have a 4800 kv motor and 35v esc can I use any 2s that I want? I'm a novice
two questions for you. although the larger battery will not give you more performance, it will give a longer flight time correct?
also, do you have a video explaining how to see how much power was used after a flight to determine the flight times for that setup?
thanks
Currently looking for an esc to go with my motor. The motor is 1770 watts and my batteries are 11.1V 30c 3 cell. This means it's drawing 159 amps? So I need minimum 180Amp esc. But then I do the battery maths and work out that my batteries can only put out 66amps anyway? So I need new batteries as well now? Trouble is I can't seem to find a motor small enough using the maths you've provided. The stock motor in the rc would not have been appropriate in the first place? Please help ?