You are doing it the hard way! I just completed this job in just a few minutes with a great tool from a company named Mcmaster-Carr part # 3141A65. It's an adjustable reamer that does a fantastic job in just minutes. And you don't have to bother with adjusting your hole size to compensate for the taper on other reamers. I went from the vintage fender size to 10mm
Correct me if I'm wrong but the adjustable reamer you used makes the hole the same size all the way thru. If you look at the video you can see that only one side of the hole needed to be enlarged. That is why I used a tapered reamer. Hey if it worked for you then fine. I prefer to keep my guitars as close as possible to factory manufacturing specs. Why don't you do a video and show how fast you did it and why it is so important to do fast.
@@juliodavid49 there is nothing in the operation of this reamer that requires you to go completely through the wood. Like with other reamers go as deep as you need to go.
I actually really like the stock tuners on MIJ Fenders. They're Japanese Gotohs, even though they don't say that anywhere on them. I much prefer them to all but the Kluson Supremes.
No it won't. The reamer tool is tapered, meaning the hole is larger on one side and smaller on the other. And if you ream the other side to make it as big the other, you then wind up with an hour glass shape hole. You have 2 options. 1- make the hole with a drill bit (very carefully). 2 - buy the same type of tuners that I used. Hope this helps.
Actually the tuners that were on it are nice tuners..they are vintage style ..split peg and with the little oil hole...great tuners,,I would have kept them.
I disagree. They are cheap Japanese tuners. The Klusons are much better. It really doesn't make too much difference in the playability of the guitar, but I like to do these upgrades on my guitars. If you want to keep them on yours that's fine.
@@taky2686 And Gotoh tuners are made in Japan. Does that make them bad? Klusons have been around since 1925. Hey Joe Bonamassa puts them on his guitars so they can't be that bad.
I already did it the way I did it. I am not a luthier but this is how luthiers do it. I would also not use a drill to do this because you might drill it too far. Have you done this on your guitar? I don't see how a drill in reverse would drill maple. Let me know if you have a video to see how you did it.
@@juliodavid49 lol some guy from long & mcquade suggested that i could pull it off with sandpaper. but ya your right that would take forever. what kind of drill bit do you use?
@@sampraz1990 If you are using the same type of tuners that I installed you should not drill all the way thru. If you noticed in the video it should be a tapered hole, since the bushing is larger than the shaft. If you are installing tuners that have the nut at the front of the head of the guitar then the hole can be the same size from front to back. You can also drill it partially until the bushing fits. But you have to be super careful. You have to measure the size of the bushing to determine what size drill to use. I would recommend the reamer if your installing the tuners with bushings. Good luck.
@@juliodavid49 thank you so much for you're very informative reply. lol i thought i could just drill a wider hole straight through. i will be more cautious once i get the machine heads. please pray for me im an intermediate level guy transitioning to student level. obrigado.
The hole should be bigger on the front and smaller at the back. If you look at the video the tunner fits fine from the back so no need to enlarge the back. However the front needs to be larger so the bushing fits. If you look for luthier tools, what they have are reamers that go from small to large. The hole should not be the same size front to back for these tunners. Other wise I could have used a regular drill bit.
@@juliodavid49 Is that a feature of these tuners specifically or tuners in general? I have seen many instructional videos where they recommend filing down that hour glass shape after reaming from both ends. It is a little confusing to me.
@@PaulBaughman2142 It works for these tuners with bushings. Other tuners that have nuts that you screw on are different. I just measured a set of Grovers that I removed from my Les Paul and they measure 9.89 mm at the back side and the the threaded nut at the front measures 7.84 mm. I replaced these with Klusons and did not have to enlarge the holes. So you have watch what you are removing and replacing it with. The reason I had to enlarge the holes on the Jaguar is probably because its a MIJ. If you buy made in USA you can swap tuners without modification most of the time. Hope this helps.
Exactly! tapered reamers are fine if you are working in a violin or cello. Why not buy a tool that will do the job correctly, like you said, without an hourglass hole. Those of us who have discovered better options need to share with those who will listen. I keep seeing those expensive stewmac reamers, which if you want to go to 10mm you must buy both at a very high price, and you still end up with an hourglass hole.
You MUST turn the cutter very smooth and light... do not hurry or it will chatter. 8mm to 10mm is a big jump, but yours may be very light. The BEST way is to get a RC propeller reamer and use it in a SMALL drill press from the back of the headstock 6 times. The reamer small part is 8mm and the larger is 10mm. So you have all you need so as to enlarge the 6 holes from the REAR of the headstock so that modern 10mm body tuners drop in. The old covered gear tuners are generally cheap junk, so abandon them and get Wilkinson branded (affordable and pretty well made) or good ones like Grover, Gotoh, Schaller, or a good model from Jin Ho in S.Korea (they make most of the good ones anyway). Depth of the enlarged 10mm hole needs to be 9mm, so mark the reamer with a band of masking tape and adjust the reamer in the chuck so it cuts just barely 10mm deep maximum and 10mm diameter.
If you can find them fender tuners made in Japan are made by Gotoh, I found them at $26 a set a bargain but hard to still find, most are made in China for fender
FYI... Schaller (Germany), Gotoh (Japan),Kluson (Korea) and Grover (Taiwan).....in $$ order. Realized too many guitar players do not know... Unless you are buying CS, most all Fender USA/MIM modern style models use Ping (Taiwan) tuners including $2000 Elite Model. Plus....Vintage Tuners on all USA models are all Gotoh.
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You are doing it the hard way! I just completed this job in just a few minutes with a great tool from a company named Mcmaster-Carr part # 3141A65. It's an adjustable reamer that does a fantastic job in just minutes. And you don't have to bother with adjusting your hole size to compensate for the taper on other reamers. I went from the vintage fender size to 10mm
Correct me if I'm wrong but the adjustable reamer you used makes the hole the same size all the way thru. If you look at the video you can see that only one side of the hole needed to be enlarged. That is why I used a tapered reamer. Hey if it worked for you then fine. I prefer to keep my guitars as close as possible to factory manufacturing specs. Why don't you do a video and show how fast you did it and why it is so important to do fast.
@@juliodavid49 there is nothing in the operation of this reamer that requires you to go completely through the wood. Like with other reamers go as deep as you need to go.
Those turners fender uses from Japan are made by Gotoh good tuners, unlike those from China fender uses
Thanbk you from Quebec !
Very useful. I was about to return my new Gotohs but now I won't
I actually really like the stock tuners on MIJ Fenders. They're Japanese Gotohs, even though they don't say that anywhere on them. I much prefer them to all but the Kluson Supremes.
Maybe this a dumb question... But this will work too if the entire new tuners are bigger than the original ones?
No it won't. The reamer tool is tapered, meaning the hole is larger on one side and smaller on the other. And if you ream the other side to make it as big the other, you then wind up with an hour glass shape hole. You have 2 options. 1- make the hole with a drill bit (very carefully). 2 - buy the same type of tuners that I used. Hope this helps.
Actually the tuners that were on it are nice tuners..they are vintage style ..split peg and with the little oil hole...great tuners,,I would have kept them.
I disagree. They are cheap Japanese tuners. The Klusons are much better. It really doesn't make too much difference in the playability of the guitar, but I like to do these upgrades on my guitars. If you want to keep them on yours that's fine.
@@taky2686 And Gotoh tuners are made in Japan. Does that make them bad? Klusons have been around since 1925. Hey Joe Bonamassa puts them on his guitars so they can't be that bad.
Ream it most of the way and finish off with a drill in reverse, then forward, taping the surface areas to protect them.
Use a 3/8 drill bit in reverse than use a straight 10mm remer
I already did it the way I did it. I am not a luthier but this is how luthiers do it. I would also not use a drill to do this because you might drill it too far. Have you done this on your guitar? I don't see how a drill in reverse would drill maple. Let me know if you have a video to see how you did it.
How do you do it with sandpaper
It would take a very very long time to do it and you might not get an even hole. So I don't recommend it.
@@juliodavid49 lol some guy from long & mcquade suggested that i could pull it off with sandpaper. but ya your right that would take forever. what kind of drill bit do you use?
@@sampraz1990 If you are using the same type of tuners that I installed you should not drill all the way thru. If you noticed in the video it should be a tapered hole, since the bushing is larger than the shaft. If you are installing tuners that have the nut at the front of the head of the guitar then the hole can be the same size from front to back. You can also drill it partially until the bushing fits. But you have to be super careful. You have to measure the size of the bushing to determine what size drill to use. I would recommend the reamer if your installing the tuners with bushings. Good luck.
@@juliodavid49 thank you so much for you're very informative reply. lol i thought i could just drill a wider hole straight through. i will be more cautious once i get the machine heads. please pray for me im an intermediate level guy transitioning to student level. obrigado.
They sell a reamer that will enlarge to 10mm and it wont leave an hour glass hole. Search for "Great Planes Precision Metric Shaft Propeller Reamer"
The hole should be bigger on the front and smaller at the back. If you look at the video the tunner fits fine from the back so no need to enlarge the back. However the front needs to be larger so the bushing fits. If you look for luthier tools, what they have are reamers that go from small to large. The hole should not be the same size front to back for these tunners. Other wise I could have used a regular drill bit.
@@juliodavid49 Is that a feature of these tuners specifically or tuners in general? I have seen many instructional videos where they recommend filing down that hour glass shape after reaming from both ends. It is a little confusing to me.
@@PaulBaughman2142 It works for these tuners with bushings. Other tuners that have nuts that you screw on are different. I just measured a set of Grovers that I removed from my Les Paul and they measure 9.89 mm at the back side and the the threaded nut at the front measures 7.84 mm. I replaced these with Klusons and did not have to enlarge the holes. So you have watch what you are removing and replacing it with. The reason I had to enlarge the holes on the Jaguar is probably because its a MIJ. If you buy made in USA you can swap tuners without modification most of the time. Hope this helps.
Exactly! tapered reamers are fine if you are working in a violin or cello. Why not buy a tool that will do the job correctly, like you said, without an hourglass hole. Those of us who have discovered better options need to share with those who will listen. I keep seeing those expensive stewmac reamers, which if you want to go to 10mm you must buy both at a very high price, and you still end up with an hourglass hole.
I checked out the reamer you mentioned; looks like a good option to go with.
What is the drill tool called?
Reamer
@@juliodavid49 Thank you can you recommend one to me? The ones I’ve seen on Amazon seem brittle and unreliable.
You MUST turn the cutter very smooth and light... do not hurry or it will chatter. 8mm to 10mm is a big jump, but yours may be very light.
The BEST way is to get a RC propeller reamer and use it in a SMALL drill press from the back of the headstock 6 times. The reamer small part is 8mm and the larger is 10mm. So you have all you need so as to enlarge the 6 holes from the REAR of the headstock so that modern 10mm body tuners drop in. The old covered gear tuners are generally cheap junk, so abandon them and get Wilkinson branded (affordable and pretty well made) or good ones like Grover, Gotoh, Schaller, or a good model from Jin Ho in S.Korea (they make most of the good ones anyway). Depth of the enlarged 10mm hole needs to be 9mm, so mark the reamer with a band of masking tape and adjust the reamer in the chuck so it cuts just barely 10mm deep maximum and 10mm diameter.
I have fender locking tuners would I still do the same thing
@@latyrdays I do not know. Some Fender tuners have a pair of short pins to fit into 2 holes for alignment.
If you can find them fender tuners made in Japan are made by Gotoh, I found them at $26 a set a bargain but hard to still find, most are made in China for fender
Holy cow why would you do that couldn't you just find some tuners that fit the stock holes wow
I'm sure somebody might make something that might fit, but I wanted Klusons.
FYI...
Schaller (Germany), Gotoh (Japan),Kluson (Korea) and Grover (Taiwan).....in $$ order.
Realized too many guitar players do not know...
Unless you are buying CS, most all Fender USA/MIM modern style models use Ping (Taiwan) tuners including $2000 Elite Model.
Plus....Vintage Tuners on all USA models are all Gotoh.