Guys... This is legit, but every seasoned luthier/repairman will tell you that the friction points have the most impact on tuning stability - and that applies to any kind of guitar. The usual ones are the nut and the string trees. If you overlook these, the tuners alone will improve little to none the tuning stability. Before considering any tuners change, I suggest to change the nut and replace it with one properly cut (sloths and base) and made of a hard material (like bone, tusq, corian...) that the strings won't bite in. You may be surprised and with a few bucks still in the pocket.
This is 100% true. I only changed the nut on my very cheap strat copies to a graphtec tusq nut. However, i did block all the trems. I don't use it anyway and it really helps the tuning stability. Didn't even change the trees and cheap tuners. Manually stretching the strings when tuning is also something that really helps the stability for me. Alway tune up to a note, not tune down. And of course properly setup the guitar..
Might as well saved up their money for a better built guitar. The Squire us how ever a nice beginners guitar. The sound ain't bad and can tweak the action without spending money.
and fret leveling! it's nuts what a difference it makes when you lower the action ... i used to have it on 4 or 5mm (1/5 in) and then decided to lower it to 0.5mm (1/50) .... it's so much easier to play but the little fret height differences turn noticeable
Totally true, even more so because a properly filed nut affects the action and is an important aspect of a good setup. I do wanna say that while i agree that a proper nut material and filing job is the thing to look at first, tuning machines can make a HUGE difference especially on very cheap guitars. I got a used, cheap Dearmond m66 years ago and I had it properly gone over by a good luthier with a new nut, fret level, and full setup. Intonation was perfect, played like a dream, but still tuning stability was very bad. I decided to try replacing the machine heads with those hipshot locking tuners with the universal mounting plates. Took me 30 min to switch them out, they dropped right in with no drilling, and it solved the problem completely. Now i can bend all i want and it never goes out of tune, and they were super cheap too. That being said, i believe the improvement wasn't necessarily because the tuners were locking, but simply because they were much higher quality then the stock ones that were super cheap and crappy. I have a squier classic vibe telecaster that came with vintage style tuners and it holds tuning just as good as the locking ones. That being said, i may still switch them out for locking ones! Here's the deal: I initially bought the hipshots to deal with the tuning stability, but i soon learned i had underestimated the convenience of betting able to easily and quickly change strings. Because i find changing strings to be so tedious and annoying i'll often put it off and play with old strings for way longer than i should. Old strings sound so much worse than new ones, and funnily enough, old strings won't stay in tune! With the locking tuners I'm now changing my strings regularly so my tone always sounds nice, the strings play smooth, and last but not least, I'm always in tune, not just due to the locking aspect of the tuners, but because they encourage the regular changing of strings. So there you have it, my case for locking tuning machines!
All my adult life and long career I had top model Fender Strats, but after retiring I sold everything, then later bought this Squire just for at home. I must really have lucked out with it. Perfect intonation, nice fret board, good tuners, sounds good too.
I think the biggest issue squire has is their clients. Mostly new players, mostly people who don't want to take the time to learn to admire the instrument. I've put a lot of work in on my tele from squire. But it was nice out of the box. More importantly (in my case) it's been a great mod platform to get a feel for certain parts before installing them into more expensive guitars (or sometimes keeping them cause they just compliment that tele so well 😅)
Dude it aint just you. Played 29 years. Metal. Mostly Jacksons and Charvels. I today still own and collect the 80s Jap charvels. I was on road for work and wanted to play. Picked up an affinity strat for 300 in tx. This thing smokes!! WAY better bang for the buck than the new fenders. I still play and love my MIM strat but whats thebppint of the American? Buy the squire get good, buy the Mexican be done
I bought a 100euros squire just to mod it, I just finished installing a roller nut and tex mex pickups from another strat I have. Now Im about to buy a set of locking tunners and a vega trem. The pickups alone are worth more than the guitar LOL
The Ratio tuning machines come with a bunch of mounting plates that allow them to fit on Fender and other guitars too. So as you upgrade guitars, these tuners can move up with you (just keep the old ones). Let's help each other out and compile a list of all the tuning machines (locking, non-locking, cheap, expensive, etc) that will drop in on a Squier without modifications! Let me know in the comments and I will put a list together at the top of the comments :)
Did you find that the tusq nut you used change the string spacing at all? The last one I purchased advertised for fender guitars put my e strings too close to the edge of the fretboard. My guitar is an older Squier affinity. Anyway, I was planning on replacing the strings already - I may have to add the tuning machines as well.
Your tuners should be fine, they're Squire. They never fitted them with bad tuners to punish you for not buying the Fender 😂 Locking tuners speed up string changes and look a little neater. They don't make it any more stable. If guitar players weren't idiots (including me), a whole industry would go bankrupt. 😂
@@Pspet The Bullets are the cheapest version. It makes no sense buying that, (unless it's for a n 8 year old) because or an extra hundred bucks you can get something decent.
I agree. I have the black 70's modified and love it! Just needs a better nut and I plan on going with a bone nut which you can order preslotted for like 15 bucks or less from StratOsphere
Yep. My 40$ Squire has stock tuners, and they are stable as can be.....and I bend the sh!t out of my strings. My Squire Strat is slowly becoming my favorite guitar. FYI, I own a Carvin CS6 (great guitar), and a PRS S2 single cut (not as good as the Carvin, but a good guitar nonetheless)....and yes, the 40$ pawnshop guitar sounds fantastic and plays better than both....and NO, I’m not a Squire fanboy, I’m just being honest.
Three Words: Squier Classic Vibe! They have the signature fender tuning machines with a hole in the middle where you stick the string in. They work like a charm and hold the tune ridiculously well!
Hipshots make universal tuners that are still pricier than most other standard aftermarket locking tuners but they're still nowhere near the 130 euro price point that graphtech locking tuners reach. The graphtech gear ratios are extremely convenient and save a lot of time when you're tuning up but they don't offer any additional stability and imo it's not worth the approx 50 euro difference in price between graphtechs and hipshots.
@@scottN1980 You're missing the point here. You buy the Squier Affinity and then upgrade its cheap components later on after you have saved up some money.
Exactly , I have 2 Squire Strats with Hipshot Locking tuners ,my Squire Standard Tele has Fender Locking tuners . I had to drill holes on all , anyway no matter you are right . They make string change a breeze and also the guitars hold tune almost to perfection . I gig with them all and honestly I may not even have to tune up again for the entire show. I play lead , country , Eagles tribute ......lots of string bending !!
I worked 20 years in engineering, and honestly my mind was blown when I saw the price of locking tuners. I’m even more amazed the Chinese haven’t jumped on this yet. They could easily, easily make these for a dollar or less a piece. Even in the UK, I could set up a cnc in a few days to make these for less than a fiver a piece
Dude, there are lots of really cheap Chinese locking tuners on Amazon and eBay. 9 of my 10 guitars have locking tuners. I paid from $11 to $35 for each set, most were $15. The $35 ones were for my Fender Malibu Player.
Following the idea, I have just replaced tuning machines on my Mini Strat by Ratio tuners (non-locking version). Tuning has become amazingly easy and stable. I bought also a very good amp-in-a-box kind of pedal (from Lovepedal) to compensate my tiny transister amplifier. Now my tiny little mini is priceless in my life. Thank you, Darrell. You are my great mentor
Great vids Darrell, you get the presentation so well done musically, visually, aurally, great tech information, you cause us to actually think about actual guitar situations instead of simply falling back on beliefs or traditions. You're an inspiring teacher thanks for all of this.
Nut, bridge and sustain block changed my Squier and set up properly, is pretty reliable when it comes to holding tune and improving the sound. The light zinc block in Squiers, replaced by a heavy steel block turns the world around. I took a Bullet strat, popped in a Fender bridge and block set and the difference in sound is huge. Set the bridge up properly, linked with graph-tech nut and string trees, this thing holds tune solidly.
My wife got me a Squire Telecaster that I just love for Christmas a few years ago. Great weight, great neck, great sound. It became my number 1 guitar for worship band. Now that i'm playing weekly and playing more, I thought, I'd ask for these locking tuners for Christmas this year. Really happy with this decision. Just make a really good guitar even better. It's easier to get into tune and stays in tune better than before. Thanks for the video!
I recently watched a good amount of your videos hoping to upgrade my 2019 squire strat. I started with a new nut, string trees, and locking tuners. I went with the graph tech nut and string trees, which are great quality. The fender locking tuners i bought fit the holes on my squire, i did have to drill out the two little pin holes(for the teeth) to make it a snug and flush fit. REALLY a great modification, my 200$ guitar sounds better already and i intend to upgrade more. All in all the fender locking tuners($55) fit my squire great with just minor modifications, I would encourage anyone to do this mod!!
Agreed. The inexpensive Fender locking tuners only need you to ream the existing pin holes out toward the end of the headstock a tiny bit for them to sit right in there like they were born there. Use a round file or a drill and 3/32 bit, works just dandy and takes all of 5 minutes! The Ratio locking tuners are a fair bit more expensive than the Fender locking ones. I have the Fenders on my Squier Stratocaster Standard, which I bought almost brand new for $230 Canadian--a steal! And they work like a charm.
I'll be modifying my Squier Tele Custom over this summer. This video was so helpful as I was going to upgrade the tuners as a priority! Great work and content as always!
I installed (with a little modification) Fender Deluxe Locking Machine Heads on my Squier Affinity Telecaster. They are pretty good tuners with 18-1 gear ratio and they stay in tune. Yes, the tuners have a pin that requires a small hole the Squier doesn't have but after thinking it over and planning it out, I drilled the holes without any trouble. To accomplish this I first lined the Fender locking tuners up even with a straight edge, tightened them down until the tuner pin made a small mark on the neck head. I then got the right size drill bit, drilled a small hole on that mark to the proper size and depth and slipped the tuners right in, a perfect fit. It worked great and are perfectly lined up straight. And yes, I agree the Squier tuners need to be upgraded but you can get the Fender Deluxe Locking Machine Heads for about $52 whereas the other tuners that fit might cost $100-$175. It was worth the time and effort to drill the holes and put in the Fender locking tuners. 😉
I bought mine in 2004 (a Squire Stratocaster) so 16 years ago and I am finally going to really try and learn it with my Nephew as he is getting a guitar set this Christmas.
I put these on my squier several months back and love them so much I got another set for my traveler L22. I must say up front (at least from my experience w/ squier and yours may be different) that you should pull 1 of the tuners FIRST before you order the new tuners because I was dumbfounded when I was presented with a single center mounted lock pin instead of the 2 pins that everyone else has been presented with. So having already spent the coin, by god they were going on! working slowly and methodically I used one of the supplied adapter plates making sure it was square to the head stock and drilled the 12 holes that were needed, placing a stop collar on the drill bit to get just the needed depth. New tuners dropped in perfectly and I can still revert back to the original tuners if I ever sell it as the new holes sit under the housing of the originals. You would never know unless you pulled one. I also did all the other goodies you did along with the graphtech string saver bridges and a solid steel block trem system. really sings now.
I'm kind of surprised, I have an Affinity Strat, for almost 4 years now, I use the tremolo a bit (normal use) this stays in tune for days, completely stock too, maybe I'm lucky !
Y'all are lucky. First Squire I got I thought it was me just being terrible. It made me quit as well. I didn't understand some guitars you are basically having a wrestling match while trying to learn how to play.
@@SkyFalllast YES! I bought mine in 2004 and after one lesson and stuff I stuck it in the gig bag and just now pulled it out. Pristine old new stock, lol. This thing was horrible at staying in tune and I didn't use the trem at all. Eventually I got disgusted and 16 years later I am about to try again as I have parts on the way but I need some locking tuners that drop in and the Tusq XL nut but I am waiting on them to reply as they have nothing near my dimensions.
I've got a squier bullet strat that's made in china. The tuners are just fine. They hold tune for ages once the strings have been on there for a few days.
For Squier guitars, I believe the nut is more crucial than the tuners as far as a necessary upgrade. As you’ve mentioned, upgrading both are preferable. For a beginning player though (which is generally the Squier crowd), a nut install is a pretty advanced procedure. If it drops in with no setup adjustment needed, then awesome. I’ve seen that happen about zero times in my lifetime though. Nuts can be a pain in the ass. So fair warning for the kiddos out there thinking about doing this, you might want to let an experienced luthier do the nut install for you if you’re serious about the intonation and setup being correct. Play on 🤘🏼
The secret to doing nuts is NOT to file the slots but instead file the bottom of it, try it, do more, try it and just don't go too far. Cutting slots is not how you set string height above the fret.
I will say to anyone watching this is 2020 looking to buy a Squier; make sure you have your guitar for a bit before you decide to make this modification. Before I got my bullet mustang I was under the assumption that the tuning machines were going to have to go because of the tuning issues I had with my jagmaster back in 2013. To my surprise my mustang holds tune like a dream through humid un-played nights and veracious string-bending days, and I'm talking straight factory set-up and tuned with a snark. Obviously I can't speak for every model of squier, but in 2020 definitely feel yours out before you invest in tuning machines.
My Squier 70 Tele Thinline holds tune really well with the stock tuners...but I realize that this depends somewhat on luck....but do check one of these babies out....great value, fit/finish, sound...what a doll!
I really shouldn’t judge because I’m only half a year into playing but I think my bullet strat isn’t bad at all at holding the tune. Again, this is my only guitar but it’s anything but annoying. Even the g string I that i hear goes out of tune all the time actually is perfectly good. I really only have to tune it up a couple cents once in 3-4 days. Usually it’s just the 2 thinnest strings. If that’s considered bad, well.. ok. I understand. It’s a cheap guitar anyway.
Hah, I love you for what you do Darrell! You and I were just having this correspondence last month. Tuners and string trees are the only mod I am making to my Squier Deluxe. Everything else is great. Went with the Hipshot locking non-staggered tuners @ $55/set - getting them installed tomorrow. You led me to Hipshot and Graph Tech so I really appreciated your insights! These are the only "drop-ins" I could find after much research (other than another set of the original tuners - also available).
Cool! BTW, I did go with the Graph Tech trees fyi (haha, cream ones since I didn't change the nut :-). I would have loved to try the Ratio tuners but they were nearly half the price of the guitar so I scaled back to the Hipshots.
Darrell Braun Guitar exactly right - the Hipshot tuners are a HUGE improvement! Cream Graph Tech string trees look good with the cream nut as well. Wouldn't you know Allparts just started shipping the locking tuners with the guide pins that fit the Squier for $60/set after a 2 year absence. This gives everyone a 3rd option now!
I fitted a set of American fender tuners into my Squier standard this evening and they work perfectly and they are great upgrade. You only have to drill two small holes over the existing holes and they fit perfectly. if you press the fender tuning heads into place they will mark the back of the headstock about an eighth of an inch over the existing pinholes that’s where you need to drill and they drop perfectly into place and stay in tune 100%
Upgrading to locking tuners is a good idea, but I really believe the nut and the string trees should come first when it comes to upgrading a squier or every kind of affordable guitar in that matter! It's more affordable too if you ask me! And maybe you won't really need to change the tuning keys after all!
Gotoh SG381 MG-T locking tuners are a perfect drop-in replacement for the Squier tuners with a 45 degree screw hole. I just put a set on my Squier Contemporary Strat.
I agree, fenders tuners don’t fit squiers. I modified mine to accept fender locking tuners. Did all of these mods with the other graph tech stuff but I also upgraded the saddles, trem block, and found some fender custom shop 69’s with the pick guard for a great price along with new cst 250k pots/switches. This thing is amazing now
I have a Squier Mustang and I was able to replace the Squier Antique tuners with Gotoh locking antique tuners with zero modifications and they are fantastic tuners.
I found 2, 89 Korean Squires. One body had been stripped to the bare wood. It was pretty buggered up. I got a solid maple body for the neck. It is my main Strat now. Both necks are like a 59. I am old enough and been playing 55 yrs to have played most of those great vintage models. Between my dad's friends and my friends they had many. My teacher had a pre CBS blonde Bassman amp. Those Korean ones are good but change the tuners. The other one is intact except for Grovers. Some have wrong threaded nuts on the truss rods though. Watch out for those. It was a US vs Metric screw up. Of course even that is fixable if you want to got the trouble.
Darrell, I love your videos, I love the fact that 1/10 guitar players are objective when It comes to gear and you're one of those. Your tips are always useful and your videos are as entertaining as informative. And dude, your playing is just incredible. Greetings from Colombia.
Bought a Squire Fat Strat about a year or so ago. It does not have a tuning issue. I did upgrade all electronics (Fender American Standard), new Bridge and trem block (MIM), the nut (GraphTech), pickups (Cali Guitar Vintage HSS) and Fender output jack. After a little fret work it feels great and sounds and plays very well. Squires are fun to play with (modify) especially when I got mine new for $100.00. Time for me to look for another one to play with.
1. Higher ratio new tuners 2. Lube all the places strings touch 3. Proper setup 4. I took out that 2nd string tree and it helped. Not sure why some guitars have 2 and sound good. Yours sounds fine
Well ... tuning stability is the nut (badly cut slots or owner upgraded from factory 9s to 10s and didn't widen the slots) and string trees (that often have burrs under them) not the tuners. Sometimes owners 'upgrade' the nut and the slots are cut too high so the guitar goes out of tune down in the cowboy chords. Assuming that is all fixed/not a problem, the only other thing that happens with tuners is players overshoot the pitch when tuning and then try to hit it on the way back down whereby they create slack in the system that goes out of tune at the first strum. Always always 'tune up' your guitar or if you go passed then drop a half step down and tune up to pitch. New tuners can feel nice when turning or lockers that trim the ends on new strings but unless the tuner got damaged from a fall even the 'trapezoid tuners' will work fine when the player 'tunes up' their guitar correctly.
tuning 'up' only fits in with correctly cut and lubed nut slots. A slot too tight or tall will prevent the correct fretting and cling to the string at tuning.
I have owned a Japanese vintage squier since the early eighties, it is red, copy of a 50's strat with a small headstock, maple neck, and was fitted with genuine fender tuners and bridge under licence from Fender. I compared it with a brand new eighties USA strat before I bought it and found it to be far superior. The only minor thing needed was a slight adjustment to the intonation and action (something which often needs looking at to suit individual tastes). I believe Squiers manufactured in China and Mexico are a completely different ball game. I also have a 1976 Antoria (Memphis) Les Paul custom which was great straight out of the box, but I am afraid that I have spoiled the originality by fitting a DiMarzio humbucker to the bridge pick-up and a couple of switches so I can get reverse phase and single coil sounds, and also some Schaller machine heads, but who needs original when you can get the sounds that that beast makes?
I have a 93 jap squier strat and it's been great. I've had no complaints with it. I'm guessing an early 80's jap squier is probably even better quality. I know they also made Korean squier strats in the 90's, and I have no idea what the quality of those was like.
Had my Squire for 16 years and no complaints about the machine heads at all. I can see some mods would be good, but it has been a good workhorse just the way it came and have used it for some recording too.
I gotta say I have an Affinity and the hardware is cheap but it works perfectly fine. The string trees are stamped and not very aesthetic but work as good as any. The tuners feel cheap to the touch but hold tune well. The trem looks like Chinese chrome but works great. Im pretty sure the 2nd tone knob isnt even wired but it gives it the offical look. For sub 200 bucks it has to be the best guitar on the market.
Best bang for the buck I've found is Carvin/ Kiesel locking tuners direct fit 54.00 for chrome and they have a 18 to 1 ratio just bought a used Squier Affinity and they fit perfectly.
I’ve got a 2007 Squier Jagmaster. The original tuners rotted and fell out earlier this year. Its tuning stability had been poor anyway, so I replaced them for Fender locking ones (the video says they don’t fit but my tech managed to install them) and replaced the nut. It’s astonishing how much better it plays now.
when I first got my affinity strat the pickups were horrible,they were cheap ceramic magnet pickups,after I changed them though...ahhhhhhh. much better. so pickups in the cheaper squires is probably a must fix also.
I used the hip shot tuners on my Squire Contemporary strat and love them. Used the same nut and string trees you did. What a difference it made. Love the vids. Got the Squire contemporary because wanted at least a Fender company strat but hate their radius. Love the 12” radius in the contemporary.
Bruce Kelly I’m afraid that these tuners won’t fit your bullet. Most bullet strats have trapezoid style tuners and have a weird screw pattern. These tuners have dual post tuners, which is standard on most gender guitars (except vintage spec guitars). When I got new tuners for mine, I just drilled new holes. It’s not a big deal and doesn’t really affect resale valuez
That635guy dang these won’t fit either :( well in that case should I go for a $50-$80 set if I gotta change them anyway.. I kind of want gold or black cuz mines two tone sunburst but since trem chrome still might not look right
Bruce Kelly there are gold hardware kits for fender guitars that can range from 120 to 250 dollars. It includes trem, tuners, jack, etc and it’s all the same gold. No guessing which colors will be similar and which won’t
The main advantage to locking tuners is for tremolo users. You don't have to have winds around the post. If you put tension on the string (by pulling on it with your hand) BEFORE winding the lock post into position, you can get them in tune with less than a single wind around the post. Then when you use your tremolo, there is no loosing and tighenting of winds around the post (which is what causes it to go out of tune). Id your trem is set up properly, it will always return to proper pitch.
I think it’s a matter of consistency, maybe they have a killer down in indonesia that works in maybe one out of twenty guitar and that one it’s freaking just as good but, you save at least 1,000$
My Squier Deluxe Fender Special Run FSR came with Fender locking tuners .. and thanks for the tip on the string trees I have now put them on all my guitars. First videos I saw of yours were on the Ultimate Epi .. with the P-Rails after hearing the comparison video up against all the other most famous guitars I had to have them .. I didn't put them in any of my Epi's yet … but I did put them in a Strat .. I absolutely love them .. thanks for sharing your knowledge .. !
I have an indonesia squier, ive used it as a mod platform but the only thing i havent upgraded was the tuners lol. Thing is, theyre not that bad! They hold tune, even though they feel terrible and are so loose, but tuning stability is great for some reason
I just bought a Squire Deluxe Jazzmaster. I’ve got to say I’m amazed by the quality of the guitar! The tuning keys on that sucker a great! With a set of 12s it holds the tuning perfectly even with heavy use of vibrato arm! If the tuning stability is great, is there really any reason to change them? Sound?
I've purchased the Candy Apple Red Strat Affinity HSS from Squier, 15G amp comes with it, haven't received it yet but your and other reviews make it seem like I made a wise choice for a first electric. I'll probably also refer back to your videos for lessons, and probably add these locking tuners eventually. Thanks
I have a Bullet Mustang P90 and an Affinity Strat. I put locking tuners and roller string trees on both and they stay in tune really well. Like, I'll pick one up after not playing it for a few weeks, and it'll still be in tune. I also have cheap Glarry imitations of both (a GMF HH and a GST) and also put locking tuners and roller trees on them. Same thing, always in tune. Same thing with my Fender Malibu Player, though the locking tuners I put on it were a good deal more expensive.
I own a Squier Bullet (the cheapest one) and the tuning machines are absolutely fine. They are as stable as all my other (up to 30x more expensive guitars). There is no need to replace them.
Hey Darrell... Thanks for the tip on the graphtech ratio tuners for the squire..my buddy brought his actual fender strat over to try out my new Marshall code 100..he said he would leave it over for me to play and I told him no mine stays in tune better..and you are right a good amp. makes the difference between 2 different priced guitars..thanks for your help bro
I looked at these after watching this for my Vintage Mod Strat. The only ones I could find require 10mm holes and mine has 8.5. Not a direct drop in and they are quite expensive. So I opted for Fender locking tuners since I'd have to widen the holes anyway. For under $100 CDN I got a set, widened the holes and drilled two small holes for the pins that hold the tuners in place. Went in like a charm and work great. I did have a couple of holes showing where the old vintage style tuners were attached and I plugged them with some toothpicks and wood glue. So while Darrell makes it look easy, check the holes in your headstock before you spend out the money. This video is 4 years old so maybe Graphtec no longer offers them in this size.
Ohmygaah.. 😍 There she is! And of course I enjoyed this vid as always from Mr.Braun😊 She looked n sound gorgeous.. I wish you'd play us a whole rawkin song with her sir 😌😀
Just ordered a set of these for my new HH FR Squire Strat. Upgraded gold plated Floyd Rose Original saddles with titanium blocks. FU TONE Titanium string block bolts, Nickel plated brass locking claw, FR Brass Big Block, Upgraded coted Springs, Getting Frets polished and filed at my local shop With a complete set up. My $450 Squire will play just as good as a $3000 Fender And I don't even need to change the pickups. Running through a 5150 Twin 12in. Tube amp.
Got them on your advice. Of the mods I've made to my 2013 Squier Strat Deluxe, this one is the only one I have left in place. These locking "Ratio" tuners really work great. Thanks!
I've had a couple of Squiers, never really had any issue with the tuners. They are not so good as the locking tuners in my Music Man Cutlass (a 2K$ guitar), but I can live with them. Even more, I regularly use tremolo bar and my Standard Squier does not get out of tune easily. I did a proper setup in the beginning. To my experience, the magic is in additional tremolo spring (3 to 4 springs instead of 2 or 3).
I never thought that Fender or Mexican Fender tuners wouldn’t fit, that’s very good news!! Thank you Sir, you saved me a lot of time and heart ache!! Yes please send me the list of parts and numbers if you have them!! Thanks!!!
VERY good advice! I own 17 electric guitars. Every one of them has locking tuners. And I use Dupont Teflon Non-Stick Dry-Film Lubricant in the nut slots. They all stay perfectly in tune and I play blues with lots of heavy string bends and 7 of them have various tremolos.
Find a guitar with a GREAT neck, then you can always mod everything else AND you'll have a Strat that sounds like a $2000+ guitar for less than a quarter of the price. Then spend the rest of your cash on a good amp!! Or a Squier Tele!! Just my 2¢!! Keep 'em comin' Darrell!! Greetings from Montreal, Canada!!
I just put some 10-46 strings on and tightened the tuners back and top , it made a world of difference , was going to change tuners but , so far so good now that I’ve done this . Thanks for the great videos
My Squier has the old vintage style tuners that are held on by two screws on back of headstock. It has never had any issue with regard to staying in tune, so they stay!
does seem way over the top. a more budget comparable upgrade would be more suitable. This video feels like a sponsored advert for Graphtech ratio tuners
@@gilroylibbs2947: Well said brother!! Find a guitar with a GREAT neck, then you can always mod everything else AND you'll have a Strat that sounds like a $2000+ guitar for less than a quarter of the price. Then spend the rest of your cash on a good amp!! Or a Squier Tele!! Just my 2¢!!
Yeah, no idea why he'd recommend super glue. Just a tiny drop of white glue is fine. The strings hold it in place- the glue is just there so it doesn't drop out when you change strings.
true.... just a small 1/2 drop of water-thinned yellow glue wiped on the rear side makes a nut easy to remove some day. Some guys prefer bone or 'urea' or Tusq, but the hardest and most beautiful is unbleached bone.
Guys... This is legit, but every seasoned luthier/repairman will tell you that the friction points have the most impact on tuning stability - and that applies to any kind of guitar. The usual ones are the nut and the string trees. If you overlook these, the tuners alone will improve little to none the tuning stability. Before considering any tuners change, I suggest to change the nut and replace it with one properly cut (sloths and base) and made of a hard material (like bone, tusq, corian...) that the strings won't bite in. You may be surprised and with a few bucks still in the pocket.
This is 100% true.
I only changed the nut on my very cheap strat copies to a graphtec tusq nut. However, i did block all the trems. I don't use it anyway and it really helps the tuning stability. Didn't even change the trees and cheap tuners.
Manually stretching the strings when tuning is also something that really helps the stability for me. Alway tune up to a note, not tune down. And of course properly setup the guitar..
Might as well saved up their money for a better built guitar. The Squire us how ever a nice beginners guitar. The sound ain't bad and can tweak the action without spending money.
and fret leveling!
it's nuts what a difference it makes when you lower the action ... i used to have it on 4 or 5mm (1/5 in) and then decided to lower it to 0.5mm (1/50) .... it's so much easier to play but the little fret height differences turn noticeable
Agree 💯 percent .
Totally true, even more so because a properly filed nut affects the action and is an important aspect of a good setup. I do wanna say that while i agree that a proper nut material and filing job is the thing to look at first, tuning machines can make a HUGE difference especially on very cheap guitars. I got a used, cheap Dearmond m66 years ago and I had it properly gone over by a good luthier with a new nut, fret level, and full setup. Intonation was perfect, played like a dream, but still tuning stability was very bad. I decided to try replacing the machine heads with those hipshot locking tuners with the universal mounting plates. Took me 30 min to switch them out, they dropped right in with no drilling, and it solved the problem completely. Now i can bend all i want and it never goes out of tune, and they were super cheap too. That being said, i believe the improvement wasn't necessarily because the tuners were locking, but simply because they were much higher quality then the stock ones that were super cheap and crappy. I have a squier classic vibe telecaster that came with vintage style tuners and it holds tuning just as good as the locking ones. That being said, i may still switch them out for locking ones! Here's the deal: I initially bought the hipshots to deal with the tuning stability, but i soon learned i had underestimated the convenience of betting able to easily and quickly change strings. Because i find changing strings to be so tedious and annoying i'll often put it off and play with old strings for way longer than i should. Old strings sound so much worse than new ones, and funnily enough, old strings won't stay in tune! With the locking tuners I'm now changing my strings regularly so my tone always sounds nice, the strings play smooth, and last but not least, I'm always in tune, not just due to the locking aspect of the tuners, but because they encourage the regular changing of strings. So there you have it, my case for locking tuning machines!
All my adult life and long career I had top model Fender Strats, but after retiring I sold everything, then later bought this Squire just for at home. I must really have lucked out with it. Perfect intonation, nice fret board, good tuners, sounds good too.
I think the biggest issue squire has is their clients. Mostly new players, mostly people who don't want to take the time to learn to admire the instrument. I've put a lot of work in on my tele from squire. But it was nice out of the box. More importantly (in my case) it's been a great mod platform to get a feel for certain parts before installing them into more expensive guitars (or sometimes keeping them cause they just compliment that tele so well 😅)
Dude it aint just you. Played 29 years. Metal. Mostly Jacksons and Charvels. I today still own and collect the 80s Jap charvels. I was on road for work and wanted to play. Picked up an affinity strat for 300 in tx. This thing smokes!! WAY better bang for the buck than the new fenders. I still play and love my MIM strat but whats thebppint of the American? Buy the squire get good, buy the Mexican be done
I bought a 100euros squire just to mod it, I just finished installing a roller nut and tex mex pickups from another strat I have. Now Im about to buy a set of locking tunners and a vega trem. The pickups alone are worth more than the guitar LOL
@@preston8836PLEASE be more specific..each squire has differences..WHAT SQUIRE?..affinity,bullet,ect???
The Ratio tuning machines come with a bunch of mounting plates that allow them to fit on Fender and other guitars too. So as you upgrade guitars, these tuners can move up with you (just keep the old ones).
Let's help each other out and compile a list of all the tuning machines (locking, non-locking, cheap, expensive, etc) that will drop in on a Squier without modifications!
Let me know in the comments and I will put a list together at the top of the comments :)
Did you find that the tusq nut you used change the string spacing at all? The last one I purchased advertised for fender guitars put my e strings too close to the edge of the fretboard. My guitar is an older Squier affinity. Anyway, I was planning on replacing the strings already - I may have to add the tuning machines as well.
Darrell Braun Guitar Wilkinson EZ-Lok, they're ultra mega cheap!
Do a fret-level video, obviously!
what are the two companies that makes locking tuners?
Grover tuners...Gotoh locking tuners
I have a CV Squier and the tuners are absolutely fine.
Your tuners should be fine, they're Squire. They never fitted them with bad tuners to punish you for not buying the Fender 😂 Locking tuners speed up string changes and look a little neater. They don't make it any more stable.
If guitar players weren't idiots (including me), a whole industry would go bankrupt. 😂
I have a Bullet Squier and the tuners are horrendous
@@Pspet The Bullets are the cheapest version. It makes no sense buying that, (unless it's for a n 8 year old) because or an extra hundred bucks you can get something decent.
@@Pspet get yourself a set of Wilkinson or Musiclily. If you have a wrench and a small screwdriver it's an easy fix
Lol...those tuners cost more than my squire... lol
Exactly. Thought it would be like $50 not double that cost
hdrjunkie just picked up a Squier for $50 last week lol
Say lol one more time
It sound great
Definitely worth it though
The only mod a good Squier needs, is a decent guitarist ;-)
Doesn't matter how good you are if you can't get the notes out or it keeps going out of tune
Thats you screwed so man
is a fender.
I agree. I have the black 70's modified and love it! Just needs a better nut and I plan on going with a bone nut which you can order preslotted for like 15 bucks or less from StratOsphere
Yep. My 40$ Squire has stock tuners, and they are stable as can be.....and I bend the sh!t out of my strings. My Squire Strat is slowly becoming my favorite guitar. FYI, I own a Carvin CS6 (great guitar), and a PRS S2 single cut (not as good as the Carvin, but a good guitar nonetheless)....and yes, the 40$ pawnshop guitar sounds fantastic and plays better than both....and NO, I’m not a Squire fanboy, I’m just being honest.
Three Words: Squier Classic Vibe!
They have the signature fender tuning machines with a hole in the middle where you stick the string in. They work like a charm and hold the tune ridiculously well!
yeap. that's THE one reason i got my CV instead of a MIM (back in 2012 the Mexi Fenders had ceramics and the other tuners)
Do yk if I can also add hipshot locking tuners to my CV without drilling any holes or anything?
The new affinity’s have those tuners as well
@@jeridrozniarek7411 what affinity do you have? Did they come like that from the factory?
@@justinvelazquez2182 I bought my CV second hand. The guy installed these on there. No screws needed
I think you forgot to mention the Graph Tech Tuners cost about as much as the guitar does.
I was going to say the same. I appreciate the technology and what not, but I'm not there yet. I'd rather put $200 towards a Fender.
So a classic vibe is the same price as an affinity + good tuners.
Hipshots make universal tuners that are still pricier than most other standard aftermarket locking tuners but they're still nowhere near the 130 euro price point that graphtech locking tuners reach.
The graphtech gear ratios are extremely convenient and save a lot of time when you're tuning up but they don't offer any additional stability and imo it's not worth the approx 50 euro difference in price between graphtechs and hipshots.
@@scottN1980
You're missing the point here. You buy the Squier Affinity and then upgrade its cheap components later on after you have saved up some money.
I agree. Those tuners cost way more than the guitar.
With the nut, do you get the curved one or the flat one?
Exactly , I have 2 Squire Strats with Hipshot Locking tuners ,my Squire Standard Tele has Fender Locking tuners . I had to drill holes on all , anyway no matter you are right . They make string change a breeze and also the guitars hold tune almost to perfection . I gig with them all and honestly I may not even have to tune up again for the entire show. I play lead , country , Eagles tribute ......lots of string bending !!
I worked 20 years in engineering, and honestly my mind was blown when I saw the price of locking tuners. I’m even more amazed the Chinese haven’t jumped on this yet. They could easily, easily make these for a dollar or less a piece. Even in the UK, I could set up a cnc in a few days to make these for less than a fiver a piece
Yeah,...but you didn’t
@@fendertremolo9793 saw 1 review vid and gave it a thumbs down. They said they had to buy 2 sets to create 1 good 1
Dude, there are lots of really cheap Chinese locking tuners on Amazon and eBay. 9 of my 10 guitars have locking tuners. I paid from $11 to $35 for each set, most were $15. The $35 ones were for my Fender Malibu Player.
As above... They have, and like a Squier; good quality and dirt cheap.
@@christopheraaron8299Is there a good cheap set you can recommend?
Best upgrade i made was changing the string trees for rollers. It really improves fine tuning and tuning stability
All my guitars with 6 in-line tuners have roller trees and locking tuners. They really help with tuning stability.
Following the idea, I have just replaced tuning machines on my Mini Strat by Ratio tuners (non-locking version). Tuning has become amazingly easy and stable. I bought also a very good amp-in-a-box kind of pedal (from Lovepedal) to compensate my tiny transister amplifier. Now my tiny little mini is priceless in my life. Thank you, Darrell. You are my great mentor
did you have to drill holes?
Great vids Darrell, you get the presentation so well done musically, visually, aurally, great tech information, you cause us to actually think about actual guitar situations instead of simply falling back on beliefs or traditions.
You're an inspiring teacher thanks for all of this.
Thanks so much for the kind words!
Nut, bridge and sustain block changed my Squier and set up properly, is pretty reliable when it comes to holding tune and improving the sound.
The light zinc block in Squiers, replaced by a heavy steel block turns the world around.
I took a Bullet strat, popped in a Fender bridge and block set and the difference in sound is huge.
Set the bridge up properly, linked with graph-tech nut and string trees, this thing holds tune solidly.
I lowkey want a squier someone hook me up
@Abraham Sink hi
Rumdy gimme a squier now
Hi rudy bro hey bro did ya know bro 035 hahah so funny
Barter one of your guitars with my squier.
All I require is an 8-string
My wife got me a Squire Telecaster that I just love for Christmas a few years ago. Great weight, great neck, great sound. It became my number 1 guitar for worship band. Now that i'm playing weekly and playing more, I thought, I'd ask for these locking tuners for Christmas this year. Really happy with this decision. Just make a really good guitar even better. It's easier to get into tune and stays in tune better than before. Thanks for the video!
I recently watched a good amount of your videos hoping to upgrade my 2019 squire strat. I started with a new nut, string trees, and locking tuners. I went with the graph tech nut and string trees, which are great quality. The fender locking tuners i bought fit the holes on my squire, i did have to drill out the two little pin holes(for the teeth) to make it a snug and flush fit. REALLY a great modification, my 200$ guitar sounds better already and i intend to upgrade more. All in all the fender locking tuners($55) fit my squire great with just minor modifications, I would encourage anyone to do this mod!!
Agreed. The inexpensive Fender locking tuners only need you to ream the existing pin holes out toward the end of the headstock a tiny bit for them to sit right in there like they were born there. Use a round file or a drill and 3/32 bit, works just dandy and takes all of 5 minutes! The Ratio locking tuners are a fair bit more expensive than the Fender locking ones. I have the Fenders on my Squier Stratocaster Standard, which I bought almost brand new for $230 Canadian--a steal! And they work like a charm.
I put fender locking tuners on my squire deluxe. Was pretty easy. Just has to drill small holes for the notches.
I'll be modifying my Squier Tele Custom over this summer. This video was so helpful as I was going to upgrade the tuners as a priority! Great work and content as always!
I installed (with a little modification) Fender Deluxe Locking Machine Heads on my Squier Affinity Telecaster. They are pretty good tuners with 18-1 gear ratio and they stay in tune. Yes, the tuners have a pin that requires a small hole the Squier doesn't have but after thinking it over and planning it out, I drilled the holes without any trouble. To accomplish this I first lined the Fender locking tuners up even with a straight edge, tightened them down until the tuner pin made a small mark on the neck head. I then got the right size drill bit, drilled a small hole on that mark to the proper size and depth and slipped the tuners right in, a perfect fit. It worked great and are perfectly lined up straight. And yes, I agree the Squier tuners need to be upgraded but you can get the Fender Deluxe Locking Machine Heads for about $52 whereas the other tuners that fit might cost $100-$175. It was worth the time and effort to drill the holes and put in the Fender locking tuners. 😉
Bought a Squier 25 years ago as my first guitar. Haven't bought another guitar since.
I bought mine in 2004 (a Squire Stratocaster) so 16 years ago and I am finally going to really try and learn it with my Nephew as he is getting a guitar set this Christmas.
@@generalawareness101 cheers, mate
Bought mine in 08 from my guitar teacher when I was 8 years old and I still use it, it needs tweaked but still in great physical shape
My Squire Bullet in cream white semi metallic is still gorgeous, and prettier year after year. I hope my cheap Asian versions age as well.
You poor bastard 😆🇦🇺🍻👍
I put these on my squier several months back and love them so much I got another set for my traveler L22. I must say up front (at least from my experience w/ squier and yours may be different) that you should pull 1 of the tuners FIRST before you order the new tuners because I was dumbfounded when I was presented with a single center mounted lock pin instead of the 2 pins that everyone else has been presented with. So having already spent the coin, by god they were going on! working slowly and methodically I used one of the supplied adapter plates making sure it was square to the head stock and drilled the 12 holes that were needed, placing a stop collar on the drill bit to get just the needed depth. New tuners dropped in perfectly and I can still revert back to the original tuners if I ever sell it as the new holes sit under the housing of the originals. You would never know unless you pulled one. I also did all the other goodies you did along with the graphtech string saver bridges and a solid steel block trem system. really sings now.
I'm kind of surprised, I have an Affinity Strat, for almost 4 years now, I use the tremolo a bit (normal use) this stays in tune for days, completely stock too, maybe I'm lucky !
Mine too
Mine as well
Y'all are lucky. First Squire I got I thought it was me just being terrible. It made me quit as well. I didn't understand some guitars you are basically having a wrestling match while trying to learn how to play.
Mine too🙋
@@SkyFalllast YES! I bought mine in 2004 and after one lesson and stuff I stuck it in the gig bag and just now pulled it out. Pristine old new stock, lol. This thing was horrible at staying in tune and I didn't use the trem at all. Eventually I got disgusted and 16 years later I am about to try again as I have parts on the way but I need some locking tuners that drop in and the Tusq XL nut but I am waiting on them to reply as they have nothing near my dimensions.
I've got a squier bullet strat that's made in china. The tuners are just fine. They hold tune for ages once the strings have been on there for a few days.
For Squier guitars, I believe the nut is more crucial than the tuners as far as a necessary upgrade. As you’ve mentioned, upgrading both are preferable. For a beginning player though (which is generally the Squier crowd), a nut install is a pretty advanced procedure. If it drops in with no setup adjustment needed, then awesome. I’ve seen that happen about zero times in my lifetime though. Nuts can be a pain in the ass. So fair warning for the kiddos out there thinking about doing this, you might want to let an experienced luthier do the nut install for you if you’re serious about the intonation and setup being correct. Play on 🤘🏼
The secret to doing nuts is NOT to file the slots but instead file the bottom of it, try it, do more, try it and just don't go too far. Cutting slots is not how you set string height above the fret.
I,ve been watching Darrell for years now but everytime I come back I'm just blown away by the tone this guy gets! On a custom shop or a bent saw....
I will say to anyone watching this is 2020 looking to buy a Squier; make sure you have your guitar for a bit before you decide to make this modification. Before I got my bullet mustang I was under the assumption that the tuning machines were going to have to go because of the tuning issues I had with my jagmaster back in 2013. To my surprise my mustang holds tune like a dream through humid un-played nights and veracious string-bending days, and I'm talking straight factory set-up and tuned with a snark. Obviously I can't speak for every model of squier, but in 2020 definitely feel yours out before you invest in tuning machines.
Same with my Classic Vibe Strat... I am one of those who actually enjoy the look and feel of those "vintage style" tuning machines
@@0000song0000 i'm vain so i'd like to get rid of the squier neck, but i just cant justify it since the tuners are so solid.
My Squier 70 Tele Thinline holds tune really well with the stock tuners...but I realize that this depends somewhat on luck....but do check one of these babies out....great value, fit/finish, sound...what a doll!
I really shouldn’t judge because I’m only half a year into playing but I think my bullet strat isn’t bad at all at holding the tune.
Again, this is my only guitar but it’s anything but annoying. Even the g string I that i hear goes out of tune all the time actually is perfectly good. I really only have to tune it up a couple cents once in 3-4 days. Usually it’s just the 2 thinnest strings. If that’s considered bad, well.. ok. I understand. It’s a cheap guitar anyway.
Carvin locking tuners & their replacement (Kiesel locking tuners) are a direct drop in too.Perfect fit with no modifications.
Hah, I love you for what you do Darrell! You and I were just having this correspondence last month. Tuners and string trees are the only mod I am making to my Squier Deluxe. Everything else is great. Went with the Hipshot locking non-staggered tuners @ $55/set - getting them installed tomorrow. You led me to Hipshot and Graph Tech so I really appreciated your insights! These are the only "drop-ins" I could find after much research (other than another set of the original tuners - also available).
Awesome! You'll love the upgrades! 👍
Cool! BTW, I did go with the Graph Tech trees fyi (haha, cream ones since I didn't change the nut :-). I would have loved to try the Ratio tuners but they were nearly half the price of the guitar so I scaled back to the Hipshots.
Darrell Braun Guitar exactly right - the Hipshot tuners are a HUGE improvement! Cream Graph Tech string trees look good with the cream nut as well. Wouldn't you know Allparts just started shipping the locking tuners with the guide pins that fit the Squier for $60/set after a 2 year absence. This gives everyone a 3rd option now!
Good to know, I'll check them out 👍
Sure - this is the reference number TK-7591-010 6-in-line 2-Pin Locking Tuners Chrome
I fitted a set of American fender tuners into my Squier standard this evening and they work perfectly and they are great upgrade. You only have to drill two small holes over the existing holes and they fit perfectly. if you press the fender tuning heads into place they will mark the back of the headstock about an eighth of an inch over the existing pinholes that’s where you need to drill and they drop perfectly into place and stay in tune 100%
I've bought quite a few inexpensive string instruments and they've all had cheap tuners. For some reason, that's always a place where corners are cut.
Corners are cut all over on cheap guitars, tuners is just a place where you notice it more easily.
I had a Squier Telecaster. It played well and sounded good even though it had a top-loaded bridge. Wish I still had it...
I recently purchased a Squire Strat from a co-worker, and this is the exact information I need! thanks so much!
I' ve changed the nut and tuning machines of my Ibanez. And I really think it got so much better!
Just bought a Squire and was going to buy tuning machines this week. I am so glad I saw this. Building a new toy...Mini Strat!
Upgrading to locking tuners is a good idea, but I really believe the nut and the string trees should come first when it comes to upgrading a squier or every kind of affordable guitar in that matter! It's more affordable too if you ask me! And maybe you won't really need to change the tuning keys after all!
Gotoh SG381 MG-T locking tuners are a perfect drop-in replacement for the Squier tuners with a 45 degree screw hole. I just put a set on my Squier Contemporary Strat.
I agree, fenders tuners don’t fit squiers. I modified mine to accept fender locking tuners. Did all of these mods with the other graph tech stuff but I also upgraded the saddles, trem block, and found some fender custom shop 69’s with the pick guard for a great price along with new cst 250k pots/switches. This thing is amazing now
Hey man, how you put the fender tuners?? Do you have to drill the holes to fit them?
I have a Squier Mustang and I was able to replace the Squier Antique tuners with Gotoh locking antique tuners with zero modifications and they are fantastic tuners.
I got my squire 18 years ago and I've had no issues with it at all.
My '87 Squier (Korean made) was upgraded in '89 with a Kahler Flat Mount and Lace Sensor Pickups. Its been my main guitar ever since.
I found 2, 89 Korean Squires. One body had been stripped to the bare wood. It was pretty buggered up. I got a solid maple body for the neck. It is my main Strat now. Both necks are like a 59. I am old enough and been playing 55 yrs to have played most of those great vintage models. Between my dad's friends and my friends they had many. My teacher had a pre CBS blonde Bassman amp. Those Korean ones are good but change the tuners. The other one is intact except for Grovers. Some have wrong threaded nuts on the truss rods though. Watch out for those. It was a US vs Metric screw up. Of course even that is fixable if you want to got the trouble.
Darrell, I love your videos, I love the fact that 1/10 guitar players are objective when It comes to gear and you're one of those. Your tips are always useful and your videos are as entertaining as informative.
And dude, your playing is just incredible. Greetings from Colombia.
Hello Juan , did Darrell ever answer one your Questions? I tried it often, but never get n answer.
Excellent vid. Just bought a project Squire. This will be my first mod after filing down the sharp fret edges.
The early Classic Vibes come stock with excellent machine heads.
Couldn't agree with you more, I had an early tele and I loved those vintage style tuners...
@@tyecook9630 not all early classic vibes came with those. Some came with cheaper tuners. It depended on the luck of the draw
Bought a Squire Fat Strat about a year or so ago. It does not have a tuning issue. I did upgrade all electronics (Fender American Standard), new Bridge and trem block (MIM), the nut (GraphTech), pickups (Cali Guitar Vintage HSS) and Fender output jack. After a little fret work it feels great and sounds and plays very well. Squires are fun to play with (modify) especially when I got mine new for $100.00. Time for me to look for another one to play with.
I like that "Baking" track. I immediately started making brownies when it started playing. 🙂
😂😂
Took me back to Diddy's Kong Quest
1. Higher ratio new tuners
2. Lube all the places strings touch
3. Proper setup
4. I took out that 2nd string tree and it helped. Not sure why some guitars have 2 and sound good. Yours sounds fine
The Square Fender I bought my son, new, came with some awesome Gover tuners.
Grovers are wicked tuners
@@freedom6046 i have grover tuners on my freshman acoustic guitar ans they are awesome. Never go outa tune.
Love my squire she's 25 this year from Indonesia. My favorite blues guitar.
Well ... tuning stability is the nut (badly cut slots or owner upgraded from factory 9s to 10s and didn't widen the slots) and string trees (that often have burrs under them) not the tuners. Sometimes owners 'upgrade' the nut and the slots are cut too high so the guitar goes out of tune down in the cowboy chords. Assuming that is all fixed/not a problem, the only other thing that happens with tuners is players overshoot the pitch when tuning and then try to hit it on the way back down whereby they create slack in the system that goes out of tune at the first strum. Always always 'tune up' your guitar or if you go passed then drop a half step down and tune up to pitch. New tuners can feel nice when turning or lockers that trim the ends on new strings but unless the tuner got damaged from a fall even the 'trapezoid tuners' will work fine when the player 'tunes up' their guitar correctly.
tuning 'up' only fits in with correctly cut and lubed nut slots. A slot too tight or tall will prevent the correct fretting and cling to the string at tuning.
Switching from 9s to 10s doesn't require recutting the slots in the nut.
Jon Brooks wouldn’t the slot be too small if you went from 9’s to 10’s
I just bought a used Squier Bullet and I’m here to tell everyone the tuning machines definitely needs upgrading ! Happy Trails
I have owned a Japanese vintage squier since the early eighties, it is red, copy of a 50's strat with a small headstock, maple neck, and was fitted with genuine fender tuners and bridge under licence from Fender. I compared it with a brand new eighties USA strat before I bought it and found it to be far superior. The only minor thing needed was a slight adjustment to the intonation and action (something which often needs looking at to suit individual tastes). I believe Squiers manufactured in China and Mexico are a completely different ball game. I also have a 1976 Antoria (Memphis) Les Paul custom which was great straight out of the box, but I am afraid that I have spoiled the originality by fitting a DiMarzio humbucker to the bridge pick-up and a couple of switches so I can get reverse phase and single coil sounds, and also some Schaller machine heads, but who needs original when you can get the sounds that that beast makes?
I have a 93 jap squier strat and it's been great. I've had no complaints with it. I'm guessing an early 80's jap squier is probably even better quality. I know they also made Korean squier strats in the 90's, and I have no idea what the quality of those was like.
Had my Squire for 16 years and no complaints about the machine heads at all. I can see some mods would be good, but it has been a good workhorse just the way it came and have used it for some recording too.
I gotta say I have an Affinity and the hardware is cheap but it works perfectly fine. The string trees are stamped and not very
aesthetic but work as good as any. The tuners feel cheap to the touch but hold tune well. The trem looks like Chinese chrome but works great. Im pretty sure the 2nd tone knob isnt even wired but it gives it the offical look. For sub 200 bucks it has to be the best guitar on the market.
Best bang for the buck I've found is Carvin/ Kiesel locking tuners direct fit 54.00 for chrome and they have a 18 to 1 ratio just bought a used Squier Affinity and they fit perfectly.
Never had an issue with tuning on my squier tele, it stays in tune forever!
Because Tele's don't have tremolo bridges.
I’ve got a 2007 Squier Jagmaster. The original tuners rotted and fell out earlier this year. Its tuning stability had been poor anyway, so I replaced them for Fender locking ones (the video says they don’t fit but my tech managed to install them) and replaced the nut. It’s astonishing how much better it plays now.
Another awesome vid, esp for us squire owners! Thank you!
Just bought a squier mustang and changed the tuners to gotohs first thing. Perfect fit! Made a huge difference!
Nice!
Congratulations on the new Guitar!
when I first got my affinity strat the pickups were horrible,they were cheap ceramic magnet pickups,after I changed them though...ahhhhhhh. much better. so pickups in the cheaper squires is probably a must fix also.
I installed Tonerider alnico pickups in my Squier Jim Root tele, and sold the originals on ebay. That was a good upgrade.
I used the hip shot tuners on my Squire Contemporary strat and love them. Used the same nut and string trees you did. What a difference it made. Love the vids. Got the Squire contemporary because wanted at least a Fender company strat but hate their radius. Love the 12” radius in the contemporary.
I love my Squier Strat's 💙
👍Me too! Serious value for money!
Darrell Braun Guitar awesome brother 👍
You love your strat's what?
@@danterosales6985 Thats just short for stratocaster
@@nickcintron1960 you missed the joke
“No modifications necessary.” I am digging that tune. Thank you. I’m going to change these tuners.
Title had my attention lol this is exactly what I needed to know afraid to buy locking tuners that fit right in a bullet. Thank you
Bruce Kelly I’m afraid that these tuners won’t fit your bullet. Most bullet strats have trapezoid style tuners and have a weird screw pattern. These tuners have dual post tuners, which is standard on most gender guitars (except vintage spec guitars). When I got new tuners for mine, I just drilled new holes. It’s not a big deal and doesn’t really affect resale valuez
That635guy dang these won’t fit either :( well in that case should I go for a $50-$80 set if I gotta change them anyway.. I kind of want gold or black cuz mines two tone sunburst but since trem chrome still might not look right
Bruce Kelly there are gold hardware kits for fender guitars that can range from 120 to 250 dollars. It includes trem, tuners, jack, etc and it’s all the same gold. No guessing which colors will be similar and which won’t
That635guy right and if it fits bullet. Thanks a lot for the info though
Bruce Kelly no problem, always glad to help! I just don’t want people wasting their money like I did :(
The main advantage to locking tuners is for tremolo users. You don't have to have winds around the post. If you put tension on the string (by pulling on it with your hand) BEFORE winding the lock post into position, you can get them in tune with less than a single wind around the post. Then when you use your tremolo, there is no loosing and tighenting of winds around the post (which is what causes it to go out of tune). Id your trem is set up properly, it will always return to proper pitch.
also will go on record that some of the squires coming outta of indonisia are better then the fenders being made in the usa
I agree with you 100% and many cheap guitar made in a Indonesia are good , I guess made in the same factory by OEM. ?
agreed
Most of quality hard wood come from there.
theyre still made by Fender just because theyre made in indonesia doesnt mean theyre worse...
I think it’s a matter of consistency, maybe they have a killer down in indonesia that works in maybe one out of twenty guitar and that one it’s freaking just as good but, you save at least 1,000$
My Squier Deluxe Fender Special Run FSR came with Fender locking tuners .. and thanks for the tip on the string trees I have now put them on all my guitars. First videos I saw of yours were on the Ultimate Epi .. with the P-Rails after hearing the comparison video up against all the other most famous guitars I had to have them .. I didn't put them in any of my Epi's yet … but I did put them in a Strat .. I absolutely love them .. thanks for sharing your knowledge .. !
I have an indonesia squier, ive used it as a mod platform but the only thing i havent upgraded was the tuners lol. Thing is, theyre not that bad! They hold tune, even though they feel terrible and are so loose, but tuning stability is great for some reason
If they’re loose and feel terrible, then their terrible. Tuning stability has way more to do with the nut and string pull than the tuners
My Indonesian Squire was pretty good too. Now it's awesome, and totally gig worthy! 😀👍
I just bought a Squire Deluxe Jazzmaster. I’ve got to say I’m amazed by the quality of the guitar! The tuning keys on that sucker a great! With a set of 12s it holds the tuning perfectly even with heavy use of vibrato arm! If the tuning stability is great, is there really any reason to change them? Sound?
Nice! just play and enjoy ☺
Proud to be Indonesian 😁😂
I put Fender locking tuners on my
Affinity and LOVE the difference!!!
@@loganwhite8375 Stratocaster from Indonesia
I've purchased the Candy Apple Red Strat Affinity HSS from Squier, 15G amp comes with it, haven't received it yet but your and other reviews make it seem like I made a wise choice for a first electric. I'll probably also refer back to your videos for lessons, and probably add these locking tuners eventually. Thanks
Dude cheers , i bought a starter squire with 10G amp and love it for starting out , rock on
This is the single most-helpful Squier-related video on the entire internet
I just cannot stay away from your 1st class videos Darrell, well done to you and thanks again.
All your videos are great man!!! Thank's for your recomendations and keep with your style.Greetings!!!
I have a Bullet Mustang P90 and an Affinity Strat. I put locking tuners and roller string trees on both and they stay in tune really well. Like, I'll pick one up after not playing it for a few weeks, and it'll still be in tune. I also have cheap Glarry imitations of both (a GMF HH and a GST) and also put locking tuners and roller trees on them. Same thing, always in tune. Same thing with my Fender Malibu Player, though the locking tuners I put on it were a good deal more expensive.
This is by far the most important upgrade to make to any fender that doesnt have locking tuning machines
I have a Classic Vibe Tele and the tuning machines are just brilliant! They don't drop out of tune either (although that could be cos it's hardtail).
I own a Squier Bullet (the cheapest one) and the tuning machines are absolutely fine. They are as stable as all my other (up to 30x more expensive guitars). There is no need to replace them.
most if not all squiers are good enough some people are just very picky
Hey Darrell... Thanks for the tip on the graphtech ratio tuners for the squire..my buddy brought his actual fender strat over to try out my new Marshall code 100..he said he would leave it over for me to play and I told him no mine stays in tune better..and you are right a good amp. makes the difference between 2 different priced guitars..thanks for your help bro
Maybe I just got lucky, but my Squier Standard stays in tune amazingly. It is a great playing & sounding guitar.
Ray Ross i have exactly the same experience. Absolutely no tuning issue with my 2008 Strat Standard
Luckyyyyyyy
My squier affinity tele stays in tune perfectly
Lucky. Every 2 weeks or so I always have to tune it back up
My 2007 Squier Standard is my favorite guitar of all time. Tuning stability is amazing
I looked at these after watching this for my Vintage Mod Strat. The only ones I could find require 10mm holes and mine has 8.5. Not a direct drop in and they are quite expensive. So I opted for Fender locking tuners since I'd have to widen the holes anyway. For under $100 CDN I got a set, widened the holes and drilled two small holes for the pins that hold the tuners in place. Went in like a charm and work great. I did have a couple of holes showing where the old vintage style tuners were attached and I plugged them with some toothpicks and wood glue. So while Darrell makes it look easy, check the holes in your headstock before you spend out the money. This video is 4 years old so maybe Graphtec no longer offers them in this size.
Ohmygaah.. 😍
There she is! And of course I enjoyed this vid as always from Mr.Braun😊
She looked n sound gorgeous.. I wish you'd play us a whole rawkin song with her sir 😌😀
Just ordered a set of these for my new HH FR Squire Strat. Upgraded gold plated Floyd Rose Original saddles with titanium blocks. FU TONE Titanium string block bolts, Nickel plated brass locking claw,
FR Brass Big Block, Upgraded coted Springs, Getting Frets polished and filed at my local shop With a complete set up. My $450 Squire will play just as good as a $3000 Fender And I don't even need to change the pickups. Running through a 5150 Twin 12in. Tube amp.
I play finger style and feel weird every time I see a dude killing it on a pick. Great stuff Darrell!
Learn both ways, you won’t regret it.
Got them on your advice. Of the mods I've made to my 2013 Squier Strat Deluxe, this one is the only one I have left in place. These locking "Ratio" tuners really work great. Thanks!
I've had a couple of
Squiers, never really had any issue with the tuners. They are not so good as the locking tuners in my Music Man Cutlass (a 2K$ guitar), but I can live with them. Even more, I regularly use tremolo bar and my Standard Squier does not get out of tune easily. I did a proper setup in the beginning. To my experience, the magic is in additional tremolo spring (3 to 4 springs instead of 2 or 3).
I have a Squire Music Master. I changed out the bridge, the nut, and the tuning machines. It is now a much better guitar! I love it!
I never thought that Fender or Mexican Fender tuners wouldn’t fit, that’s very good news!! Thank you Sir, you saved me a lot of time and heart ache!! Yes please send me the list of parts and numbers if you have them!! Thanks!!!
I bought a new 2021 squire affinity with split shaft tuners. They hold their tune pretty good. Actually better than my vintage strat tuners.
Really liked the music in this one.
VERY good advice! I own 17 electric guitars. Every one of them has locking tuners. And I use Dupont Teflon Non-Stick Dry-Film Lubricant in the nut slots. They all stay perfectly in tune and I play blues with lots of heavy string bends and 7 of them have various tremolos.
how rich are you
@@realhakora Not rich at all. That spans 50+ years of buying guitars, and I seldom pay more than $400.00 for a guitar and then upgrade it.
Find a guitar with a GREAT neck,
then you can always
mod everything else AND you'll
have a Strat that sounds like a
$2000+ guitar for less than a
quarter of the price. Then spend
the rest of your cash on a
good amp!! Or a Squier Tele!!
Just my 2¢!!
Keep 'em comin' Darrell!!
Greetings from Montreal, Canada!!
I just put some 10-46 strings on and tightened the tuners back and top , it made a world of difference , was going to change tuners but , so far so good now that I’ve done this . Thanks for the great videos
FYI : I put Sperzel locking tuners on my Squier Standard Telecaster and they fit like a dream, no drilling or whatever necessary.
Rob Baartwijk Hey Rob! Think they’d work on a Squier Strat? Sorry I’m kinda new to this!
I changed the tuners of my 2002 Squier Affinity by the Fender locking tuners chrome and working is fine!
Get some Graphtech String Saver saddles
They're just awesome
My Squier has the old vintage style tuners that are held on by two screws on back of headstock. It has never had any issue with regard to staying in tune, so they stay!
These machine heads are WAY too expensive for a budget or entry-level guitar such as a Squier! There must be a more affordable alternative.
No kidding! I only spent 44 on my fender locking tuners for my high end mim strat! Graphtech is proud of their stuff for sure.
does seem way over the top. a more budget comparable upgrade would be more suitable. This video feels like a sponsored advert for Graphtech ratio tuners
Hipshot tuning machines are awesome... Im Thomann you buy a set of those for 18,90€
@@gilroylibbs2947: Well said
brother!! Find a guitar with a
GREAT neck, then you can always
mod everything else AND you'll
have a Strat that sounds like a
$2000+ guitar for less than a
quarter of the price. Then spend
the rest of your cash on a
good amp!! Or a Squier Tele!!
Just my 2¢!!
The Hipshot Tremsetter does the job of keeping my Squier Strat in tune. I have the original tuners on and I have no plan to upgrade them.
I installed the Hipshot locking tuners with the universal plate. They were an exact fit and the plate works just great on my made in China Affinity.
if you can make only one mod it should be the nut
sneakysnake Yup. And take it to someone who can file the slots properly. Next would be having the frets worked on.
+1 If the nut isn't cut correctly, even the nicest of tuning machines won't stay in tune.
exactly !
Absolutely agree! Went from that plastic garbage to ivory, and holy crap what a difference!
Absolutely
I put some Gotoh locking tuners on a Squire Vintage Modified 70's Strat and it made a world of difference.
Never ever use super glue on the nut! It will not come out easily next time. Just use wood glue. Otherwise, good video!
Yeah, no idea why he'd recommend super glue. Just a tiny drop of white glue is fine. The strings hold it in place- the glue is just there so it doesn't drop out when you change strings.
true.... just a small 1/2 drop of water-thinned yellow glue wiped on the rear side makes a nut easy to remove some day. Some guys prefer bone or 'urea' or Tusq, but the hardest and most beautiful is unbleached bone.