For whats its worth, I think the majority of the mini painting hobby isnt really concerned with artistry. We hold ourselves back all the time. Even mini paints are a great example of this: no one learns the simple practice of mixing paints and leans on many dozens of premade colors.
It's almost like a form of conditioning, we don't see the actual colours any more, we see the names, thunderhawk blue, space wolf grey etc. Might be nice one day to do a video with just a few colours on a pallete and going bananas without worrying about recording it the step by step way.
Well, for a lot of guys messing with mixing colors is not so satisfying process, especially whenyl you tired after work, i like learning new techniques, improving my skill, but mixing exact color every time i sit with my minis? Thanks god my vallejo pots already did this
@@DeathKonas yeah, we all pick and choose our battles. Just pointing out that most mini painters, at least in part, care about getting results and not necessarily artistry. I for instance primarily use contrasts over zenithal. But I use an airbrush which much better stimulates how light behaves. I also mix the majority of my colors. So I too have that mix of "results vs artistry"
My favourite video so far! I love under painting and usually start with a basic zenithal from an airbrush and build as many volumes from that then I use a brush from there and have a good idea of how it’s going to pan out which is a lot of fun, I don’t slap chop but I suppose it’s a much more refined version of it and I would love to see part two of this video where you add colour 😁
If anything, an airbrush is the best way to do it, it's closer to the way actual light works than anything else. And refining with a brush where needed is the icing on the cake. Doing the whole thing with a brush is fun, but for me it's a case of trying to understand lighting a bit better. glad you liked the video, I've got most of the skin done and recorded, now it's onto the armour and details, so hopefully there'll be a video out with the rest of it soon!
Underpainting and sketching in general is such an incredibly useful tool for figuring out the overall look you want to go for before the distraction of color. I wish more people used it.
I know you mentioned that you most likely won't be doing many of these since you don't like talking but I really like this style of more thought provoking videos. I tend to approach many things in my life the same way, thinking about the root cause of why we do things a certain way and does that hinder us or move us forward. Keep up the good content!
Glad you liked it. Text to speech is so good now that I could potentially do it that way if there was a desire from people for more like this. Or I just learn to be more confident in my speaking. We'll see.
great video, I'm relatively new to painting so I am working on brush control but do have shakey hands, ( recently had neck surgery )so dry brushing is easier for me, but I'm treating it as an additional technique I can use, if that makes sense. watching how you place the light source is really interesting. thanks
Glad you enjoyed it! Might be able to shoehorn some tips to combat shakey hands in a video, I use some pretty specific ways of bracing hands and fingers that can potentially help.
100% agree with you. My exact issue with slapchop. Okay for quickly getting armies on table. But as a single mini. Probably not. I use underpainting regularly as my second step. Basecoat single colour. Drybrush lighter colour. But then I paint the mini with paints. Not contrast. I think as a technique it’s great in your arsenal. But it’s usually portrayed. Maybe not. Now I’m rambling lol I liked this sort of video as well. It’s refreshing seeing creators express a different thought process about painting. You aren’t being negative. Just stating why you don’t like it. Good one!
Glad you enjoyed it, it's very nice to hear that people like the approach to the video so far. It was tempting to do the whole 'extreme viewpoint because its youtube' thing, but I'm glad I didn't because that's just not me. Even though the extreme thing would definitely have gotten more views! 🤣
Yeah seems to be the ‘thing’ to be negative for sake of negative. Sharing different views creates a discussion (positive hopefully). May not change opinions, but a minimum. It might get someone thinking.
Great video, but I disagree somewhat with the lighting part, you can just drybrush top-down and not get the weird "under highlight", and somewhat with this line of thinking the 'Eavy metal style is also wrong as the edge highlight everything. I do however completely agree with the sentiment, I highly dislike the slapchop style & meme name. A moment that really made my sad was when Marco Frisoni changed the title of an old En Grissai (?) video to slapchop
Eavy metal style has a very specific purpose, it's essentially a sales tactic. And also its easier to keep to a uniform style across a large range of models with a large group of painters. But yes, you're spot on with the observation. I really enjoy Marco Frisoni's videos too, but you've got to remember youtube earns him money to live off, if changing a title to a meme name gets him some extra views then that's extra money in the bank! It's sad for us viewers who don't like the term very much but it's understandable.
Would have loved to see what to do with the grisaille after this. Instead of just bemoaning how slap chop doesn't render light properly, you do not give us a counter-example of what the miniature you are working on could have been. I think it's a shame. I personally have been exploring hand-painted grisaille and thinking about it, which is how I stumbled on your video, but there really isn't any counterpoint in your arguments based on what you were actually painting.
Well, regardless, thank you for watching. I think the biggest issue I have is the time needed to create something that goes all the way through the process, colour and everything. But as this is an older video and I have a better understanding of creating videos, maybe now is the time to do it properly!
I don't like slapchop as it took an idea that had been kicking around for ages (underpainting) and slapped harrr) a name on it. There are so many more possibilities without much extra effort that people will never explore because "slapchop" doesn't ever talk about it. I also feel somewhat sorry for creators that had been making videos about similar ideas yet for some reason "slapchop" stuck and became the meta
Exactly, underpainting has been around for centuries. And like you say, in miniature circles its been around for a long time too. I hated even putting the term on the video, but when trying to get views and build an audience/community it seemed prudent to use it, as just talking about why I love underpainting in its more traditional form as a technique probably won't have the same effect as something like this
For whats its worth, I think the majority of the mini painting hobby isnt really concerned with artistry. We hold ourselves back all the time. Even mini paints are a great example of this: no one learns the simple practice of mixing paints and leans on many dozens of premade colors.
It's almost like a form of conditioning, we don't see the actual colours any more, we see the names, thunderhawk blue, space wolf grey etc. Might be nice one day to do a video with just a few colours on a pallete and going bananas without worrying about recording it the step by step way.
Well, for a lot of guys messing with mixing colors is not so satisfying process, especially whenyl you tired after work, i like learning new techniques, improving my skill, but mixing exact color every time i sit with my minis? Thanks god my vallejo pots already did this
Btw i agree, i never like slapchop look, oldschool techniques always carry my hobby
@@DeathKonas yeah, we all pick and choose our battles. Just pointing out that most mini painters, at least in part, care about getting results and not necessarily artistry. I for instance primarily use contrasts over zenithal. But I use an airbrush which much better stimulates how light behaves. I also mix the majority of my colors. So I too have that mix of "results vs artistry"
My favourite video so far! I love under painting and usually start with a basic zenithal from an airbrush and build as many volumes from that then I use a brush from there and have a good idea of how it’s going to pan out which is a lot of fun, I don’t slap chop but I suppose it’s a much more refined version of it and I would love to see part two of this video where you add colour 😁
If anything, an airbrush is the best way to do it, it's closer to the way actual light works than anything else. And refining with a brush where needed is the icing on the cake. Doing the whole thing with a brush is fun, but for me it's a case of trying to understand lighting a bit better. glad you liked the video, I've got most of the skin done and recorded, now it's onto the armour and details, so hopefully there'll be a video out with the rest of it soon!
@@nofixedcourse awesome I really look forward to seeing the next video, when you start adding the colour it feels so satisfying 😁
Underpainting and sketching in general is such an incredibly useful tool for figuring out the overall look you want to go for before the distraction of color. I wish more people used it.
Totally agree, it's useful and a lot of fun being freed from having to think about colour.
I know you mentioned that you most likely won't be doing many of these since you don't like talking but I really like this style of more thought provoking videos. I tend to approach many things in my life the same way, thinking about the root cause of why we do things a certain way and does that hinder us or move us forward. Keep up the good content!
Glad you liked it. Text to speech is so good now that I could potentially do it that way if there was a desire from people for more like this. Or I just learn to be more confident in my speaking. We'll see.
great video, I'm relatively new to painting so I am working on brush control but do have shakey hands, ( recently had neck surgery )so dry brushing is easier for me, but I'm treating it as an additional technique I can use, if that makes sense. watching how you place the light source is really interesting. thanks
Glad you enjoyed it! Might be able to shoehorn some tips to combat shakey hands in a video, I use some pretty specific ways of bracing hands and fingers that can potentially help.
that would be great @@nofixedcourse
100% agree with you. My exact issue with slapchop. Okay for quickly getting armies on table. But as a single mini. Probably not. I use underpainting regularly as my second step. Basecoat single colour. Drybrush lighter colour. But then I paint the mini with paints. Not contrast. I think as a technique it’s great in your arsenal. But it’s usually portrayed. Maybe not.
Now I’m rambling lol
I liked this sort of video as well. It’s refreshing seeing creators express a different thought process about painting. You aren’t being negative. Just stating why you don’t like it. Good one!
Glad you enjoyed it, it's very nice to hear that people like the approach to the video so far. It was tempting to do the whole 'extreme viewpoint because its youtube' thing, but I'm glad I didn't because that's just not me. Even though the extreme thing would definitely have gotten more views! 🤣
Yeah seems to be the ‘thing’ to be negative for sake of negative. Sharing different views creates a discussion (positive hopefully). May not change opinions, but a minimum. It might get someone thinking.
Great video, but I disagree somewhat with the lighting part, you can just drybrush top-down and not get the weird "under highlight", and somewhat with this line of thinking the 'Eavy metal style is also wrong as the edge highlight everything.
I do however completely agree with the sentiment, I highly dislike the slapchop style & meme name. A moment that really made my sad was when Marco Frisoni changed the title of an old En Grissai (?) video to slapchop
Eavy metal style has a very specific purpose, it's essentially a sales tactic. And also its easier to keep to a uniform style across a large range of models with a large group of painters. But yes, you're spot on with the observation. I really enjoy Marco Frisoni's videos too, but you've got to remember youtube earns him money to live off, if changing a title to a meme name gets him some extra views then that's extra money in the bank! It's sad for us viewers who don't like the term very much but it's understandable.
@@nofixedcourse oh I full understand why he changed the name, it's me that he "has" to that saddens me
Would have loved to see what to do with the grisaille after this. Instead of just bemoaning how slap chop doesn't render light properly, you do not give us a counter-example of what the miniature you are working on could have been. I think it's a shame. I personally have been exploring hand-painted grisaille and thinking about it, which is how I stumbled on your video, but there really isn't any counterpoint in your arguments based on what you were actually painting.
Well, regardless, thank you for watching. I think the biggest issue I have is the time needed to create something that goes all the way through the process, colour and everything. But as this is an older video and I have a better understanding of creating videos, maybe now is the time to do it properly!
I don't like slapchop as it took an idea that had been kicking around for ages (underpainting) and slapped harrr) a name on it. There are so many more possibilities without much extra effort that people will never explore because "slapchop" doesn't ever talk about it. I also feel somewhat sorry for creators that had been making videos about similar ideas yet for some reason "slapchop" stuck and became the meta
Exactly, underpainting has been around for centuries. And like you say, in miniature circles its been around for a long time too. I hated even putting the term on the video, but when trying to get views and build an audience/community it seemed prudent to use it, as just talking about why I love underpainting in its more traditional form as a technique probably won't have the same effect as something like this