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you might want to learn the difference between current and voltage. it very well could have been the connector's.
@@ericmacdonald840 definitely agree I mean first thing I ever do when I turn a key with power to the accessories first thing I do if the starter doesn't produce any noises is wiggle test first throw it into neutral and wiggle it around to see if the neutral safety switch is sketchy and catches and gets me down the road also wiggle test terminal connectors on both ends many times wiggle tests have gotten me down the road. Oil fouling will stop current while showing voltage. If wiggle test Works try spraying brakleen and manipulating the connection to be tighter and oftentimes is the direct remedy. If that doesn't work then go to the relay swap and fuse check digging around and s*** with a damn voltmeter.
He already should know not to bother checking the main hot cable to the starter if the solenoid was not even clicking in the first place😶
LoL that me to with battery today goof ball battery terminals
I like your videos
Nice diagnostics. You do seem to get wrapped up in your personal wars with the free fixes. Why not just tell the service advisor it needs new terminals or the shop won't warranty the work? I realize economics comes into play but in the scope of that job new terminals is small potatoes unless those are really expensive.
From an old school retired mechanic, it's nice to see Ray does diagnostics to find the problem instead of just throwing parts at it and hope for the best.
Just because he had battery voltage at starter, doesn't eliminate voltage drop because of loose connections at battery, when you turn key to start vehicle. He should have fixed connection at battery terminals, Don't you think? Could have easily applied 12 volts to starter once he had it out of car, to verify it didn't work ..
The terminals on the battery would have had enough contact to activate the solenoid, it might not have had enough to get the starter to turn the engine over. When the new battery was installed the terminals would have been on the loose side, probably pushed on and then turned till they were snug the engine started at that time. By having loose terminals it will cause the contacts in the solinoid to arc that close the circuit to activate the starter. You are right in saying there will be a voltage drop which you can have from a corroded wire as well, Ray checked everything to eliminate these possibilities. At that time the solenoid on the starter wasn't engaging or clicking to say it was working. By having loose connections at the battery ads stress to all the circuits that the battery powers, it also creates resistance so the altinator ( regulator ) is tricked into thinking the battery is full. That's probably why the battery was down in voltage, it still would have had enough voltage to activate the solenoid on the starter. The winding in the starter solinoid were probably week and couldn't make enough magnetic force to work anymore, Ray could have bench tested the starter but he already determined the solenoid was bad. The starter itself may have operated but you don't know the condition of the brushes, so if you add up the shop rate to disassemble the starter check everything and replace the solenoid it is cheaper to install a replacement. If you were doing the job at home you could take the time to test the starter, check the Bendix and replace the solenoid but you still run into the problem of not having a growler to check for shorts. When the new starter was installed and the terminals installed the car started I commend Ray for not leaving the terminals in that condition and repairing them, I'm sure Ray checked the voltage output from the altinator at the battery to make sure it was charging before the car left the shop.
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@@lukehot9690 the low battery voltage was the first indictor that the terminals were loose and or were dirty. Battery should have been charged and the terminals fixed before the starter was replaced. Then only than I would have proceeded to the starter motor.
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Id just like to say its nice to see your well thought out linear diagnostics approach . Especially on electrical work. I am a service/warranty rep for a Large Zero turn mower company. It amazes me how bad the thought process of most of the techs when they do diagnostic work especially electrical. It wont start. So they immediately go replace the starter. When there is multiple safety circuits on a mower which prevent it from starting. So thanks for sharing your skills and renewing my faith that there are mechanics out there that do it right.
Your Techs obviously need more training. More incentive might also be helpful.
even idiot's working on cars know how to jump starters, as a tech i love most electrical jobs, i say most because some shit goes through way to many unnecessary modules that are stashed in the dash and the boss or customer don't wanna fix it if it isn't a few minute fix. although i did have one guy ok a evap temp sensor to fix his A/C. 10 hours of labor for a 10$ pos ford plastic part that will fail again in a few years.
I hear ya, and it's not just lawnmower mechanics. A lot of guys will just change a part that they can claim needed to be replaced anyway AFTER they find it was actually a loose ground. The other thing is that they are "just" lawnmower mechanics. If they were qualified auto technicians they'd be working with this guy. I suspect they don't make anywhere near the kind of money an auto tech makes-sometimes for the same exact process. If you pay them well enough you might be able to get an an auto tech to climb aboard with his experience and training. But I'm sure that'll never happen so you'll always get guys that really don't care because they're not making enough to care. Where I see that in the worst degree, parts counter help. If you don't have a directly line to the commercial sales guy you're going to have to teach the person how to do the job while you're trying to get your parts. Even the commercial guys are getting ripped off so they just take the attitude of "that's above my paygrade". I called one day and the dork that answered told me I'd have to drive in and check to see if they had a 20" long 3/16 brake line! I'm a commercial customer that spends a crapload of money with this store and that's the service I get? I told his boss, I told his boss to fire the lazy a hole. He said he couldn't, that "a lazy a hole is way better than nobody at all!" I told him flat out, "you don't pay these people enough to give a shit". He agreed. He's not the owner. I guess we're all screwed.
He’s not a “mechanic” he is a “technician”, there is a difference. Mechanics guess and throw parts at stuff, we technicians actually figure out the problem then fix it!
@@871jamie no no no technicians throw a computer on it and throw parts, but Mechanics actually understand how the car works and why
I've used copper tubing as bushings to shim a battery clamp a few times. Cut to fit terminal height and make a cut from top to bottom on one side. Then you can make it fit either or both terminals. Cheap hack in a pinch.
I have even used a sheet metal screw tightened in the terminal connector temporarily in an emergency.
I employ the screw method:)
I’ve done this before
I have to give that a try
I used a nail on my old maxima. worked great.
"I'm not a bettin' man unless I know I've already won." Words to live by, thank you Ray.
Ray has a personal war with bad battery terminal connectors. You are a champ Ray. Good job.
Obsetion, by Ray. The new cologne for psychotic mechanics.
I'm no mechanic but if I opened some client's hood to jump start their car I'd be like: WTF nut job jury rigged this shit together??
Copper wire is your friend in this instance. I just a coil of 12g solid copper and the only way I was not able to remedy the loose terminal is if the collar was corroded through entirely.
did you say Ray was a clamp champ?
I had to fix some corded battery terminals. It took longer to get tools out, than do the repair.
Well, 90% of the time 80% of electrical problems come from bad battery connections.
I enjoy how Ray goes the extra mile for his customers . I made a comment on another channel about why the mechanic should take a few minutes to blow off pine needles covering the engine before changing the valve cover gaskets . I got negative feedback because people believed that the mechanic shouldn't be wasting his time cleaning it .
Absolutely correct ! if the customer turns up with a compost heap because he/she does not care about the motor and is indifferent to the mechanic, they deserve a load of crap inside their engine !
@Eagle Rider, there are some mechanics that don't mind working in a pig stay of an engine compartment. They are the ones that have repairs come back because some debris has gotten into the wrong places. Ray prefers to work in more tidy areas. He is the better mechanic!
I don’t have to clean things, but I chose to.
Hey Ray. You can use the min/max button on your Fluke meter to record reading if you can't see your meter. Very handy feature when fault finding. I use mine regularly as an industrial electrician. Have a good day from Australia 🇦🇺
Definitely one of the least used but super helpful features.
Learned about this when checking the battery voltage drop during crank. Was dropping to 4.8V LOL! Replaced it and now it only drops to mid 11s. :D
Yeah, people definitely don't know how to get the most out of their multimeters. I started studying electrical engineering recently, and finding out all the buttons and their uses was a revelation, to put it lightly. Good meters can do so much more.
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And yet revisiting this video's comment section the Porn bot posts are still here. Reported them again. YT DOES NOT CARE.
I was at the pub after work one day, when the waitress and I started talking. She said that when she took corners, left or right, the whole vehicle would shudder, conk out, and come back to life. After I sucked back half my glass, I asked her for her keys, as it was obviously something electric. The new battery she got not long ago, was too small for the leads to grab on to. (WTF right?) So a simple "in the parking lot fix" I came up with, was to cut some copper grounding cable I had with me into 2" chunks, and install it in the gaps of the battery and leads in points, and re-tighten the connections. The next few days she bought me a beer "on the house" because she no longer needed her appointment where they'd charge her an arm and a leg for something simple. I suspect they took advantage of her for being minimally aware of how her engine works, and or being a woman. Put a stop to that real fast.
And now she's your wife.😉
And that is the reason my daughter spent time under the mechanics learning tree !
You are the Knight in Shining Armour
Don't mock the 'screw in the gap' solution. I've used that successfully on a nasty little Ford to keep the terminals doing what they should.
@@rdownmakeITbetter OH for sure, wasn't mocking anything. Just sharing a solution from past experience.
I love how you did an EXTREMELY thorough and professional job diagnosing and fixing the starter problem, and then proceeded to CAVEMAN the battery terminal problem. The hammering on top of the plastic washer fluid reservoir made me cringe so hard! Lol
Thanks for all the great videos! This is my favorite automotive channel, and I've learned so much from you! (sometimes what NOT to do also haha)
Good job Ray on engineering a temporary free repair of the battery terminals. Given the current condition of the engine, it is highly improbable the owner would authorize a proper repair.
Pretty sure on the next vid you're right
How much work is it to replace the terminal connectors?
How was that a free repair? He had to put another battery connector on anyway. Might as well have cut the old one off and crimped the cable to the new one.
They had to sell that new starter somehow. 😆
LOVE waking up to a 30 minute video from Ray. The longer, the better. My favorite mechanic on RUclips!
That oily starter wasn’t long for this life. I had a female customer she was an engineer however that intuitively realized “it all starts at the battery”. Good job, Ray.
How about run that cutter disc between the two mating parts of the battery terminal clamp.
After removing some material it will clamp together tighter.
Exactly what I was thinking.
That is what I did on mine...😁
Much simpler solution, rather than adding more variables to fail later. Even a simple file would get results.
Yup. Done that, it works.
I was shouting the exact same thing, then saw the cutting wheel and shouted that's it! It's perfect thickness to widen the gap on the two surfaces that touch before the clamp tightens up.
Politics aside RUclips has allowed me to seek, find and watch people that make this planet a better place. Ray is one such person. His work ethic and real love of his craft can be seen in all of his videos. I am guessing though his boss doesn't watch the videos cause Ray helps a lot of people save money by not doing the "standard" labor on all of his jobs and just like in this video he saves the customer some money by putting on a new / used / manufactured set of battery terminals just because he knows it is the right thing to do for the customer!!! Cheers to you Ray!!!
Hey Ray! A tip with the lead shims. Break them in half, they work just as well and you get double the shims. I can't tell you how many times I've gone to work on someone's car battery and there was a full shim used, and sometimes it ended up being the problem because the terminal tightened to the shim and not the battery post then came loose.
For anyone that needs to use them, position the shim half at the point the terminal closes/squeezes. That is where it needs the extra "bite" to tighten properly.
My thought was to remove pinch bolt and grind material in between pinch area to provide additional clamping force. If it doesn't bottom out, you can tighten sufficiently.
had the same suggestion I was shouting out at the screen and when I saw the cutting wheel i shouted out, "That's perfect thickness, stop! don't cutoff, grind the parting surfaces so you can squeeze them closer together"!!!
Won't work that way with those clamps. You'd also have to modify the clamping mechanism to get more movement out of it. They're junk connectors. End of.
@@rdownmakeITbetter I see. Yeah I just replaced a 23 year old Subaru terminal that was cracked and nearly separated. Stamped metal. Not like the old lead terminals.
Ray I was surprised when you didn't clean off that entire starter area with a couple of cans of brake cleaner before working on it:)
He's right, though. I had a saturn ion and ford escape that a (not very) loose battery cables caused no start issues. That's why I don't trust mechanics to even do something as simple as install a battery. I only let certain mechanics work on my cars, and only if I can't do the repair.
Ray stop with the very annoying CLCKS
@@scottr3484 I like them. Keep 'em going CLICK!
@@mrschuyler CLICK = thumbs down. They are very annoying
@@scottr3484 Then watch another channel. I watch for the click, doodeedoos and gravity's. Theres plenty of youtube mechanics who don't say click.
Back in my day--about 100 years ago--we used to put a penny as a spacer at the battery terminal and clamp around it. It filled the gap, made a tight connection and actually lasted. Not professional, but for a DIY pinch, it worked great.
I did just that for my neighbor. It took us some time raiding all the kids piggy banks to find a Copper penny.
Put a copper penny between the terminal and the top of the battery. It will corrode first and leave the terminals clean.
Another trick for the older style posts on battries is to wedge in a small screw, and screw it in between the clamp and post. Worked a treat on my old '68 Chrysler Newport in the early 80's. :-)
@@GummyBearWA true , it has to be older than 1982 because of what was added to them after that .
@@eaglerider1826 Anything after 1982 is a copper clad zinc slug. Zinc is used as sacrificial anode in marine applications. Would cause a crazy 3 metal galvanic cell problem here.
Always love being able to fix small things for free for my customers, makes their day and helps ensure I have a repeat customer. Made up a custom door handle bracket for a mercedes on my lunch break that would have been about 200-500 bucks depending on where I got it because it was moulded into the door card. Gave me something to tinker with over lunch and made their door work again. It wasn't pretty but it worked and they were thrilled.
U copy and paste this comment everywhere
@@Hollywoodhouse74 huh?
@@holmes2210 you can't read? Simple question... statement; you copy and paste this comment everywhere?? !! Tell me you got enough brain cells to comprehend this.... hmmmmmm
@@Hollywoodhouse74 what makes you think I copy pasted it
@@holmes2210 you're not the sharpest tool in the shed...
Hence the phrase, "copy and paste" figure it out
I can’t believe I’m sitting here watching while eating lunch. Of all the videos on RUclips I’m watching this on normal speed. Your videos are awesome!
Nice that you have that baby catalytic converter there right next to it too, to bake in all that oily goodness to perfection.
First off nice to see you confirm the starter motor problem rather than just chucking parts at it and clever fix on the battery terminal, I couldn’t let a car go out like that either, you just know they would be back when the car refuses to start again and I appreciated the extra step of rounding that pokey corner at the end, that was bugging me too 👏👏👏
Hello Ray, Big fan of the channel. I'm a retired industrial electrician. One thing to note, It still could have been the battery connection. As an example, you can have one strand of wire left on a broken wire and it will read voltage all day but it will not do any work like engage a solenoid...Just a thought great job....
You're right. One of the things I admire about Eric O on the SouthMainAuto channel is the way he integrates voltage drop testing into an active shop, amazingly without wasting time. Practicalities, like a vehicle you can't even get into the shop, and time constraints, make this harder than we might think! On the start side you don't need much, a headlight bulb works fine and a bright glow is your friend. On the B+ side it is more tricky because of the huge spike (>150A) in current needed. If the starter motor is drawing current the best option is to use it for the load, while watching a voltmeter on the connected B+ post on the motor, looking for a drop of less than 1/2 volt. If the starter won't draw current it's not an adequate test, as you say. Failing that you can use a headlight bulb and measure voltage on the input side of the bulb, looking again for
And don't you think this one strand of wire would not instantly burn when the starter is supposed to run, making it an immediate 0V afterwards? ...
@@whuzzzup Of courses there are extreme cases, but if you are saying that resistance in a line is not a practical consideration, you're just wrong. The point is, you can't judge the integrity of a line (or a battery, for that matter) without getting electrons moving.
@@whuzzzup Yes sir with enough current. I learned that the hard way. You will too if you do enough troubleshooting...I was trying to explain the problem so anyone could grasp it...
@@spelunkerd Yep. I do almost all of my automotive troubleshooting with an incandescent auto bulb that I turned into a test lamp. Works great...
Before waisting time in diagnostic...you have to tighten the battery connetors
Finding out that they're loose is technically diagnostics.
Where I'm from we call this, Mechanic work, instead of Parts replacer. Good job. Doesn't cost them $50 for new terminals and works just perfectly
This was me nearly verbatim last July with replacing the starter on the 3.9 in the wife's Uplander, from testing the relay and wiring to telling the starter to 'stay'. I didn't click click though, and I just outright replaced the positive cable terminal.
Back in the day, every car had the same type of battery terminals, made of heavy lead, with steel bolts, nuts, and clamps to connect the wires to the terminal and the terminal to the battery. Care was taken to make sure that the steel did not carry the current, rather the connections were always lead-to-lead or lead-to-copper - this last was unavoidable. This was the case because white-shirted, crew-cut-and-pocket-protector-wearing engineers who knew what they were doing determined that this was the proper way to connect wires to a battery that had to occasionally pump hundreds of amps through its connections.
Then came the bean counters....
These folks began second-guessing the engineers and decided, among other things, that some thin, flimsy tin connectors would be just fine. This was because these bean counters only knew how to count beans and knew nothing of resistance, current, voltage, or bimetal connections. and thus the problems began.
My 20+ year-old Honda had such connectors, which gave no end of problems. After removing them and carefully placing them deep within the bowels of the appropriate trash receptacle, I replaced them with old-school lead connectors, and voila, problems solved.
I feel it was also brewed out of necessity of the direction they innovated cars. All computer controlled and sensored. All these sensors need specific resistances; lengthen a wire or change a connector that happens to have different Ohms and it'll start giving issues.
@@TheGuccibane hmm well I guess problems are on the way then because copper wire drops resistance as it ages. Crystal growth in the copper matrix is powered by electric current and copper crystal is more conductive than the structure of fresh copper wire.
I only know this massive lead connectors, I drive a Skoda (same as VW just not so expensive), and work in a Mercedes service point, the only problem I have ever seen were lose terminals and so they melded, but only on not well serviced lorrys
I couldn't believe that was OEM. It looked disposable. The cheaper, older, S Saturns had decent, side terminals, at least. With the old, top terminals, the tightening nut and bolt could be replaced, but the lead terminal never broke, unless a gorilla worked on it. The weight/fuel saving trend is becoming impractical.
Glad you ground that corner off. It was bothering me too. Great Vid as always
For me to question you would be like a asking a woman about pain during child birth. You tested and got it right. Arm chair warriors are fantastic. Great job in saving the customer money. Honest is rare once your car is in the garage
@Kadita Jupe you don't belong here, go troll someone else
While swapping out relays is a quick way to see if the relay is bad it is important to put the relays back the way they were before continuing your diagnosis. You could be inserting an additional problem by now inserting a unknown defective relay.
I would have thought they would have replaced the valve cover gaskets given the oil leak is what most likely wiped out the starter.
I'm glad you rounded that corner off on the modified cable...it bugged me as soon as I saw it...sharp edges can end up being injury spots down the road.
I never understood what my wife enjoyed about watching cooking videos. Now I get it. I could watch this for hours.
The clearance of that tool cart and the car was mint
Only thing missing was the JAWS theme that goes away when its clear that all is clear...
The same reason I use a Fluke meter is the same reason I watch Ray@work.... it's the Best 👌
you make it appear to be easy but that's the magic of youtube but when i was a younger man (a very long time ago) i know auto maintenance can take a toll but i was never a professional but a parts changer so i watch and remember the old days :) have a great day Ray
As a northerner I can tell you those crummy battery terminals can screw up starting in cold weather. My evil jackwad side wants to know why now electrical connector spray on oily bowhunk starter wires. Fine troubleshooting....we are all proud of you
Rays battery terminal cleaning and repair skills are legendary
Fixes an electrical connection issue with a piece of wood and a hammer... my type of mechanic, great video!!
A good mechanic stands beside their work. It’s harder to get run over there. 😜
Love all the safety measures in place and the phrases you use safety squints was my favorite lol
I am a big fan of the self lubricating chassis models you point out to us! Love you videos such good humour and still very interesting 👍🏻 keep up the awesome vids Ray!!
I'm not hear to hate. Just hear me out
To do voltage drop testing you should connect your leads to the positive battery post with out touching the cable and connect the other lead to the positive cable. Try cranking if you see voltage that means you have a bad connection at the post to the terminal.
Same can be done on the negative.
Hope this helps. Being a mechanic is a constant learning process I enjoy learn everyday as a truck and coach mechanic
Love the videos keep it up
I agree as a ford tech i believe the starter was not bad those termionals were hot dog down a hallway loose. Cust drove veh into shop and stated int no start. I would've at least tried to jump start the car with known good connections on the clamps
Sad to see vehicles that receive no love whatsoever.
Thanks for a great and entertaining video!
Some of us have a vehicle to get from point A to B. When it will not provide this service, we bring it to Ray or someone like him. Then we go to point B.
The finishing touches are Very important, shows you care.
Such a simple thing to maintain-good battery connections are critical especially on these newer (i am old) computer controlled autos- good job Ray!
Love your diagnosis routine - forces all those electrical bits answer for their failure to do what they were installed for - well done Mr Patience!!
standard old school method was just to short out the starter solenoid with a screwdriver a lot quicker lol
I'm confident that there are times where his experience has already diagnosed an issue. Possibly even off camera, the steps are for our benefit and to silence the trolls preemptively
@@Eric79-f7i facts
Hand me that old slot driver with the burned up tip please.
That self lubing system helps keep them bolts from seizing. I like it.
For years 10mm and the odd sizes from 13 to 19 were it. Now the even sizes get their opportunity. That causes all of us to nervously rifle through the tool box concerned that we do, in fact, have a 1/2" drive, deep 18mm impact otherwise this job will never get done.
Enjoy watching.
PS: In the 1990's while in Pennsylvania an older gentleman told me his father ran a shop and they sprayed used motor oil over the chassis to prevent rust on cars. So self-rustproofing comments aren't too far off. Not great for environment though.
@@lomaii2847 Sort of. Japanese/Asian cars have historically used even sized fasteners up to 14mm, then 17, 19 and 21mm and up. US domestic and Euro cars historically have used 10mm and then odd sizes going up. In the last 10 years or so 16, 18 and sometimes 20mm have become more prevalent on all makes.
@@johnaclark1 Yeah, those 18mm brake caliper bracket bolts on the GM trucks have been a thing for 23 years.
@@John-do9ei Has it been that long? Time flies...I remember when I didn't even own an 18mm socket. They were skipped, not even included in most sets.
The even sizes are generally His, Japanese metric. So normally found on Japanese cars, however I'm open to correction
When I had a running 1991 Ford Ranger it used a combination of metric and SAE connectors. It was a combination of US, Japaneese, and German sourced components. I sometimes would think that I needed to buy a eleventeen/73rd-inch socket to work on some of the stuff.
Wow at Exxon Valdez oil leak! A starter and a ray's legendary battery post repair in one video! A Great way to start my morning!
I was slightly disappointed when Ray didn't wire brush/wheel the modified terminal connector to clean off the oxidation before bolting it on to the new terminal connector.
i'm fucking traumatized from that.... i'll not be able to sleep for days.
You think it's satisfying to wire wheel brush battery terminals and connectors? That's what too many so-called mechanics feel about misapplying tools to an endless array of misapplications.
The only tool that actually applies a true service to corroded battery terminals is actually a coffee pot with piping hot clean water run through the coffee maker and no matter what amount and what type of corrosion is on the battery terminals connections will melt away down to clean fresh metal when you remove the connectors and triple the hot water slowly ever so slowly overall corrosion and if you patiently trickle the water you instantly Witness all corrosion Melt Away down to clean fresh bare metal then you apply your battery sealers. Or not. Why sealer if you can just occasionally trickle hot coffee pot water over your terminals every now and again? Who gives a s*** about sealer at that point? It's incredibly satisfying to watch the corrosion Melt Away to clean metal! And that pouring soda pop over the terminals is b******* compared to this!
** Not a hack mechanic, but a hacker, which means you're an engineer who figures out unique solutions for uncommon problems.
Thank You for your videos, Ray. *
Man those Porn Bots are working overtime today. Reported all that I found.
Amazing how RUclips can sniff out a non politically correct posting in a matter of milliseconds but can't stop these porn bots
QUote from the manual on replacing the starter. "hold starter up to mounting position with one hand and attach wiring with the other two hands".
LoL.
Not surprised, but that is really funny.
P.S. - only works for ASE qualified octopuses from Atlantis.
printed in china
MacGyver says to use a paper clip on those loose battery clamps. Tightens them right up!
The majority of that oil is the head gaskets leaking oil externally and the oil pan gasket, oil filter housing adapter gasket. Intake gasket, and prob front cover leaking as well. I used to specialize in those engines, they pretty much all leak oil from every gasket.
my guess is that if new battery terminals are too expensive for the customer, then a valve cover gasket job will break the bank...
It may not seem ethical to the customer to try to sell them a battery cable replacement, when the cable wasn't the problem, especially after they just spent hundreds replacing the starter.
Many lower income folks can't afford all of the preventive maintenance issues with car ownership. They have to feed the children first. But many factory / fast food places won't hire you if you don't have a car. Or if they are working their way through college / tech, and have a job, and have kids, cars are a must have, even before the internet became a must have, no matter ones station in life.
The usual Catch 22.
As to the car, all they can do is fix it as it breaks. Like our grandparents had to when everyone was poor during the great depression.
I'm sure the shop management know the customers situation and helps so they can, and therefore doesn't try to sell additional parts and services during a repair.
@@bruceb4349 Im sure the time he spent doing it half assed wrong costed more then some $15 dollar marine terminals and $5-10 worth of lugs.
Nice mechanic who fixes things that bugs him. Beautiful battery terminal job! Thanks.
Hi Ray. I am not a car mechanic but have over the last 55 years done a few DIY repairs because I was a TV engineer and was paid zilch so saving money on garage bills was a necessity. I may be wrong but I think that starter might not be faulty. Like I said, not a mechanic but I do know a little about electrons. When you tested the battery it read 11.6V . When you went to the supply lead to starter it read 10.9 V. There was .7 V loss in that circuit. Now your meter draws a current of a few thousandths of an amp so a voltage drop of .7 may well indicate a resistance in that circuit of a couple of ohms. Your starter motor draws 100 amps or more so it's resistance is around .12 ohms Yes point 12. Put 2 ohms in series with it and try to draw 100 amps result is almost zero volts applied to motor itself! I think the problem was the negative battery terminal. It was after all that one that was very bad fit even after your sleeve repair. When you metered the battery the probe on negative almost certainly had a good direct connection to the lead pillar. When you checked at the motor lead you had transferred the earth to chassis which now had high resistance joint to the negative terminal. A good way to be sure of these battery connections is to put the meter between battery neg lead terminal and a clean chassis point. There should be zero volts. Any reading indicates a bad joint.
Me personally I always load test the circuit especially a starter carrying a crazy amount of current. I actually got burt before on this exact topic. A couple years ago a 90s Lexus came in with a no start. I had a helper crank it while I checked power and control but they had to leave. So I took a .5 amp test light and checked ground. Everything was good. I installed the starter with no luck. The ground to the starter was bad. It didn't look good on me but I told the customer he doesn't need a starter. The car being 15 years old with original starter he decided to keep it installed. I'm not saying that your diag was wrong or questioning your approach. I was just giving a example on how I got burnt in a similar situation.
I agree completely. The presence of battery voltage at the starter terminal means that there's most likely not a broken wire. It doesn't mean that the circuit can carry current, especially since the connections on the battery are known to be poor. A better approach would be to test the battery terminal on the starter to ground using a 4 amp bulb. I hate to say it but that starter may not be defective.
I once flattened a lead wheel weight and used it as a shim. Worked perfect. After you flatten it you get enough to do a couple cars.
Ray after swapping relays " it should crank now ". Hilarious. :- ) Flinstone repairs are the best. Enjoyed watching.
Hey Rainman Ray,
I appreciate your videos immensely. I have to commend your superior camera work. Always getting us in the tight spots with illumination, simply amazing. Your narration is straightforward and simple enough for the layman. Your editing is a nice balance of keeping us engaged but not glossing over important aspects of the repair. And lastly your little idiosyncrasies are entertaining. "CLICK"
Be careful when testing relay sockets with a jumper wire. That was a four-pin relay, and the load side terminals are located DIAGONALLY from each other. This allows the relay to be installed 180 degrees either way. This obviously isn't possible with five-pin relays. It just made me nervous seeing that jumper wire placed into the neighboring hole because a module could be damaged.
He freaking welded a ball joint on last week, one of the worst things I've ever seen. I won't be surprised when he fries some electronics next. Click (as in turn the dude off).
@@MrS22222 Glad im not the only one who dislikes his work. I wouldnt pay this guy to even change my windscreen wipers. He would get wipers with an improper clip and weld them on, ensuring a returning customer.
@@squarebodyseth5986 he is going to get someone killed one day, probably the guy with the welded ball joint tbh. No torque wrench on load bearing bolts, I've seen him do it several times. I use his videos to explain the difference between a technician and a mechanic.
@@MrS22222 I will wholeheartedly admit i am no certified mechanic or technician but i have worked on enough vehicles to know right from wrong. I fix my own 2 vehicles and family and friends vehicles for way cheaper and better then what a shop would do for the price. Sometimes ill see a $20-$30 loss but thats okay because i know the work i did is 100% safe and reliable and wont fail due to negligence or a customer that doesn't want to cough up the extra change. That $20-$30 means nothing when it comes to my reputation and keeping lives safe on public roadways.
@@MrS22222 Whats the video called where he welded the balljoint? I must've missed it. I usually only click on the videos where i know hes going to go full hack mode just like any of his battery terminal videos.
Quick Simple trick I use on the battery term. is open as much as poss., grab a small cotter pin, put it between the term. and post and tighten, works every time. O'L timer taught me that. Great video's.
Lol, I’m an electrician and first test would have been screwdriver across solenoid terminals.
That was THE definitive test for a 1959 Plymouth.
That works. But newer vehicles that have a delayed start function can be damaged but this test.
Comedy, the funniest “ mechanic” on RUclips , another way to get followers, just love it,
Im still guessing the starter wasnt getting a good connection to turn the starter over with those loose connections... just because the solenoid was getting power doesnt mean it had enough power to turn the starter, i think all u had to do with those battery terminals was pound them down all the way
He also never put positive directly to the solenoid terminal on the starter, it’s possible the oil swelled seal had pushed the wire out of contact. But bottom line customer drives away happy.
Good fix ,no call back and good service for that customer
Just take a socket and hammer and hand anvil or something similar to bring flange back to gripping shape the hole is flanged curve inwards is objective!
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Why oh why weren't the battery cables replaced? Surely your solution was as expensive as the new cables would have been. Also, find a good YT video on using the Model of Fluke multimeter you own. Also, find your/buy ampere clamps for your multimeter. Way better to diagnose power problems with amperage than voltage. Bonus: amp clamps do not require you to remove conductors from the circuit. I'm way impressed you sought enlightenment in the vehicle's wiring diagram! That is top-notch!!!
Keep up the outgoing upbeat attitude and your man against the machine /fault attitude. Really entertaining, also I thought I was the only person who talked to inanimate objects.😁
Cutting copper with a grinding wheel instead on tinsnips, different but effective.
You really think it is copper ?
You aren't at wits end until you're cutting aluminum with a zip wheel . HAHAHA !!
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That’s why it’s a brownish orange colour where it’s cut.
I Love the way you spend time on the "Little things" (Cleaning up battery posts, and re jigging the connections.) ACE !! My man ACE!
Hi Ray, using a meter will tell you if you have 12 volts ,but would not show a high resistance connection without a load being applied. Sometimes using a high current test light/lights would give a more reliable test. Keep the videos coming
Ray reminds me of one of my instructors when he revealed the fact that if the first ECM didn't fix the problem and the second "faulty" ECM still had the same issue... the 3rd ECM, whether good or bad, probably won't fix your problem. A mechanic might fix your vehicle, but a Technician will inform you of what is malfunctioning.
Ray goes through the same thing over and over instead of changing out a $4 terminal clamp. Heck, even I have a hydraulic crimper to swage terminals for battery cables in my garage. Its faster and cheaper to swage a new terminal on the wires and use a new terminal clamp. Just charge it to the customer. If the customer has to remove the battery in the future, they would have a bad terminal on the positive terminal if they didn't know about the vice grip trick.
TIL the word "swage"
I enjoy you. I hate dealers. Took car in for oil change and rear brakes. Then my wife mentioned a couple other little concerns, which non were found or did anything to fix them. $780 later. $71 to diagnose the brakes and they didn't have the parts. Had to drive 1.5 hours to get my wife yesterday then back today to get the car. I didn't do it because I was very busy. Would have been faster and much cheaper for me to do the work. I hate dealers. Done venting for the moment. Thanks for that.
Im not sure there was a problem with the starter motor. I think the problem was with the solenoid and loose battery terminals. I would have bench tested the starter with some booster cables to see if the old starter turned over before replacing it. The solenoid only switches in the bendix gear and connects the high amperage conductor from the battery to the one on the starter. If it was a loose connection at the battery then it wouldn't turn over the engine. I am assuming that the solenoid could be removed from the old starter and changed out with a new one. Voltage in a high amperage circuit doesn't rule out corrosion in a wire since a couple of strands connected in the wire will provide 12 volts but cant carry the current. A better plan would be testing with a load such as a headlight bulb.
Yep. Just because it carries voltage, doesn't mean it's not going to have a large voltage drop across a connector (in this case the positive battery terminal) when it attempts to draw current. I would have fixed the terminal first or at least measured the voltage drop between the battery terminal and the starter cable when attempting to crank.
I’m a mechanic/auto sparky and it was the battery terminals. Your previous test actually prove it was. Could have tryed to spin the old starter up when out to prove us wrong. Oh well I’ve dine it before to, live and learn. Great vids though.
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I give the pre engage unit a tap with the shaft of a hammer whilst someone turns the ignition. It won’t cure the fault it will reveal it if it turns over the solenoid won’t click until it’s fully engaged to prevent the starter knocking teeth off the edge off the fly wheel ring gear.
"There's your problem, lady!"
Fram oil filter. Junk.
I spent 30 years in the auto parts business and the only defective oil filter labor claim I had to pay was a Fram . I also had a customer return one because it was shipped out without having threads taped into it . The customer didn't notice until he had drained the oil and removed his old filter . He had to reinstall the old filter to be able to drive back to my store . I gave him my apology and 5 more quarts of oil .
@@eaglerider1826 I once worked for a "Doc" Rider in Denver. He & his sons built a group of Auto parts stores called "#1 Auto." Good people, good stores. We do see it all in the parts stores, don't we!
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As a do it yourselfer, I paid close attention to your fault finding process. You explained it well too. Thanks for a great video.
I can't understand why they don't make terminal clamps with a wider range of motion. It's a pet peeve of mine.
Cost. Modern terminals are just formed copper sheet which has tight tolerances, as opposed to large lugs from yesteryear.
Thank you for going through the entire starter motor diagnostic process. Had to learn the hard way about twenty years ago that some starters have an inline fuse between it and the battery.
Luckily I have never bought a starter in place of a bad relay.
Free .$99 is good but I would want a some good quality "normal" battery terminals. Personally I would spend the extra money on Gold plated terminals from the audio store. Some people just think of their cars as just another appliance, like a toaster or hair dryer. Mine are considered part of the family, so they don't get inferior parts just to save a few bucks.
Dude, they own a POS Saturn that rains petroleum products 24/7. Do you think they give a crap about their car? They just want it to run long enough to make it to the next tote-the-note lot that will finance them for 25% a week.
Agreed, BUT, big BUT, judging by the rest of the car, its an old saturn, puking oil and probably scratched, dented, abused and rusted, (besides saturn body panels), this person does not care about their car like we do. completely agreed tho, but if the person saw what he had to do, i bet the person would be very happy to have a free repair, even if it doesn't look good, its perfectly fine and functional and they would be happy
@@austinswearingen1662 Yeah but even when the customer pays for proper fixing of the battery terminals he still goes hack and fucks them. Have you seen the video of the Ford truck?
New to your post. thanks. As an retired bolt turner I agree with your testing and diagnosis
Ray. The battery seemed DOA based on the voltage below 12V. Flukes are very accurate. Did you check the charging system? Thanks for the video.
Probably was drained from cranking attempts.
@@zackschwenzer4892 Or wasn't properly charging because of the loose terminals. I'd bet a dollar that other starter was ok... A little disappointed that he was so confident that it was bad. I'd like to see him bench test it, but I doubt we'll see that.
First step of every electrical diagnostic is insuring clean and tight battery terminals. Latching voltage of a relay is way less than a starter solenoid. It could have easily been bad connections to the battery. He got lucky.
@@10HDFLHX Even with the poor connection and 11.6V, the starter solenoid didnt even CLICK. A new battery with that voltage will still produce plenty of amperage to crank, but an old PoS battery might not. I've never seen a "good" chevy starter fail to even try just because the terminals of a top post battery could be jiggled like that. Maybe the screw in side post batteries, but that's a different issue.
@@zackschwenzer4892 Did you notice the brand new starter did the same exact thing as the old one until he clamped down those battery terminals?
Ray im a old timer and worked as a machinist and electronics tech with tickets in both. i very much enjoy your shows not to try and bitch about small details that you seem to always resolve professionally but the way you do have the in service to others in your heart. i too would do things in my repair jobs that would save the customer grief later and always made a working machine not a mess. i lived in the oil field parts duplication and repair business plus electronics prototype + board level repair end of it the approach is similar to cars. the catch is the pride you take in the things you do good customer or not thank you .
I love your videos. I’m not trying to be “that guy” but why not fix the battery terminals the right way.
Guessing that Customers sometimes won’t pay, so Ray is not getting reimbursed to fix them ‘the right way’
Best thing about self liberating chassis is no stuck bolts, only slippery ones.
Question: Why do they put 50 cent clamps on batteries? Answer: Because they can't find any 25 cent ones.
A complaint I have on the new cars: Why do the manufacturers feel that they have to use every single size nut/bolt that are made in metric or SAE when they bolt these POS together? It seems when I work on anything they are not satisfied until I've totally emptied my toolbox just to get it apart. It takes longer to get the correct tool sizes out/back in my toolbox than to do the job. Signed, The Old Grouch
It helps economies of sourcing and production to have the same bolt/head for everything, but it has to do with a couple factors, so manufacturers should use just a set of a hand full of fasteners, and they want to, ideally. One problem is an engineer will look at required clamping force or sheer strength on a part and the space/number of holes available for bolts and figure out what they need from that, and sometimes it falls outside the usual set, so you have to go with an oddball. A lot of the real oddballs come from component suppliers who just do their own thing because they have their own typical group of fasteners, or will go with whatever they can source cheapest. My dad's shop did this kind of stuff. One part gets obsoleted, so no more orders and you are stuck with barrels of fasteners. New order of a completely different component? Let's use these!
I Agree, Old Grouch !
I ran into your channel by chance and wasn't even looking for anything like this lol. I started watching and for some odd reason found myself zombified watching. Something about your skill, personality and work had me hooked. Well, that and the Saturn you worked on made me want to cry because I miss mine .. you're a bad ass bro ! Much love and subscription earned !
I’d like to see the battery voltage after a test drive.
Had a similar issue with a canoeing/campground bus. The motor was pouring oil all over the starter and solenoid. After the third one the shop owner decided to replace the valve cover gaskets on his own dime ($25 for the gaskets and half hour labor). Never had another issue with the starter! Either that or Paul told the guy to pound rocks.
A wise man once said, "You can't properly diagnose an electrical problem without first making sure you have good connection at the battery teminals".............
Those lights are so handy. They have a strong magnet and they twist and bend and make working on a car a lot easier. My kids dropped mine so now it doesn't really want to work. Gotta buy another one, or two.
I have to say the free battery clamp fix was a hack Ray. I wouldn't say it makes you a hack mechanic, but man, that was way to hack for me. I feel the customer should have paid for a "proper" fix. The cost would have not been much over what they paid for the starter motor, and it would eventually cause premature failure of the battery or other electronic items. If they end up spending the extra on the valve cover gaskets, then the cost of battery clamp replacements would be even more negligible over the total cost spent.
It is a non oem repair, BUT it is fully functional. That customer is spending no more than the bare minimum to keep that car on the road. Front tires are bald, leaks oil from every gasket on the engine. They aren't going to spend $100-150 for 2 battery cables and an hour to install them.
Literally nobody cares
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I care.
@@bruceb4349 yes you do. Like I said, nobody cares.
copper water pipe is the diy solution for ultra cheap and yet high quality 12v car battery terminal fabrication. It makes fantastic clamps and rings.
I see you are also a man of culture. 😉