Tennant's Doctor realising he was going too far is _why_ he stopped himself. It was realistic writing and acting, not a cop out. Most people _would_ go "what the hell have I done? I need to stop, I need help. This isn't right." And when it came to The End of Time, he was being incredibly childish towards Ood Sigma because he was terrified. Of pain, of death. People _do_ make jokes when they're scared.
@@tomgl6684 The point is that he realised it immediately. Rather than having a longer development that could last a season or two, the Doctor just immediately reverts back to who he normally is by the end of WoM where he doesn't even do anything that is morally wrong.
@@tomgl6684 Ok two points First, the point is how quick he snaps back. What Will is trying to say in the video is that the change barely lasted an episode. When character arcs of this sort often take way longer to be satsifying and feel credible. For instance, Walter White's descent into villainy and his attempt at redemption all take several episodes and seasons.Obviously, Breaking Bad and DW are very different shows but the point is that it would have been more interesting than him just changing back immediately. In most TV the transition from hero to antihero or villain and the redemption arc that follows are longer for a reason Secondly, the reason to me the end of WoM is a poor case of moral ambiguity is because it runs counter to a moral point the show is trying to hammer in time and time again. This moral point being killing and letting people die is wrong even if you have strong utilitarians reasons to do so. This is a point that comes up time and time again, Kill The Moon, Journey's End and countless other episodes make that point.But suddenly we are expected to see this decision to refuse to let a woman die because her death would inspire her granddaughter to be morally wrong because it goes against the nebulously defined idea of a fixed point in time that the show doesn't really explain at that point in the story. Let's put it this way, let's say I told the plot of the episode and told them '' Yea, the Doctor didn't like that an innocent woman was fated to die, so he went back and saved her and told to be an inspiration to her granddaughter so she can accomplish what would normally triggeed by granma's death''. Suddenly, the narrative of the Doctor somehow becoming feels a lot more contrived. The Doctor's arrogance in WoM could have been the start of a series of episodes where the Doctor takes more and more extreme actions that become less and less defensible, but rather than that we just get Ten saying arrogant stuff to a woman after saving her which is a underwhelming as an anti-hero arc.
They don't ever really explain why it's so terrible for him to be Timelord Victorious, do they? I remember someone saying he didn't have the right to change history, but that was about it. It might have been better if he'd done a couple of more things to show why having that power was such a terrible thing, rather than just once and then not really seeing the consequences of it.
"But his death at the end of the three-part finale looked final." Except, you know, that tease with the woman's hand and the ring at the end, and was part of his resurrection in The End of Time.
To be honest I don’t agree with the narcissist one... the whole point of Adelaide killing herself was to snap the doctor out of it. We see that change at the end of that same episode. If anything though he still had some of that narcissism... just in a different way. He just went off and kinda partied.
He went way too far and changed a fix point in time and Adelaide killing herself to set things right made him snap out of it. I thought that was well handled. I couldn't take him being a narcissist in the entire finale, especially since he regenerates at the end. You don't want him to "go" at the end.
@Barbara Zhang He was a narcissist even way before the Waters of Mars, when he sent his regen energy to his hand, and explained it to his companions, he said "I didn't want to change, why would I?" even with a self centered posture. If that's not narcissism, then what is? But he was still great, I think that's part of Tenth Doctor's charm and he has all rights to be like that. A Time Lord is an awesome being, smarter, better in every way than a human (oh the Midnight episode has shown the best of that), so why not being proud of it? Why not showing it? Like Ninth ever hadn't that moment, right? Really, it's the nature of a Time Lord. Every Doctor's regeneration is a self loving dude (or gal). Yes, the message of this video is probably the point, that Tenth snapped out of it after Adelaide killed herself, so the writers actually backed off, but it's in the story, the event of her killing herself was a wake up pill for the Doctor. And he still continued being a narcissist person, just not in that extent. He went too far and Adelaide's death slapped him in the face. That's not backing off, that's a story progress.
The Doctor Victorious is Wrong! One of THE BEST 1 episode companions and one of the very few times I was okay with a suicide...bc she knew that for a being like The Doctor, there was only 1 way to make him understand he was not bigger than established Human History.
Yea, I was gonna say, that doesn't sound right. I literally just watched his run, and it's just that his companions don't have any memory of him (although with Zoe, she does have a memory of The Doctor and Jamie, just not adventures with them). I really don't like this guy. Every video where he's been the host, he's gotten shit wrong. Rich is way better.
Plus, it happens just as he's about to regenerate, so even if he did forget them at that moment, any Second Doctor brought into a future story through timey-wimeyness would be a Second Doctor from some point before that moment, one whose memories are still firmly intact.
I don't remember it ever being said that HE would forget. Also, in The Five Doctors, the Second Doctor clearly remembers losing his companions, meaning The Five Doctors must, somehow, take place before the Second Doctor's exile and regeneration.
In 'The Curse Of Fenric', The Doctor's seventh incarnation uses his faith in his companions to repel a Haemovore attack. Watch carefully, and you can see Sylvester McCoy say the names of all his companions, from Susan to Ace. In the mini episode 'The Night Of The Doctor', his Eighth incarnation says the names of his companions from books and 'Big Finish' audio plays, before he takes the elixir of The Sisterhood Of Karn. This shows he does not forget, and makes those unseen characters canonical.
Damn straight! Once remembrance of the daleks hit, McCoy just got better and better and cartmell was doing things right and bring back the mysterious. Just that bloody Michael grade! Oh what could of been.
Of course the Darleks would return, but I would have preferred if it had been a more grand return. Have the Doctor been shocked about it and going somethign like "How are tehy here? How can they... The CRACK! A CRACK IN TIME! THEIR ERASURE HAS BEEN EARASED!" Instead they just appear again and it's kinda "Hey... Darleks!"
You say that Moffat carelessly undid a perfect ending for the Daleks in Journeys End but I swear it was explained as a result of the Cracks in Time that meant certain historical moments were erasing, meaning that events whereby the Daleks historically failed, ultimately never happened and they were still alive or even just slipping through into different points in time
Honestly, even in the episode you can see a Dalek ship break off from the fleet and flee. The clip where it happens is even playing in the background when he's talking about it
It's bizarre that anyone would think Clara was ever meant to leave at the end of "Kill the Moon" when it was clearly part of the season arc of her (and us) dealing with Twelve's "heartless" pragmatic approach to things. You need her to say she's done with him in order for "Mummy on the Orient Express" to teach her why he thinks that way. Everyone always talks about S8 like it's wobbly or unfocused, but it has one of the most solid season-long character arcs for the Doctor and the Companion in modern Who, with their growing mutual lies, his dislike for soldiers (turning to respect in the finale), and him questioning whether he's even a good man at all -- which is what Clara finally snaps over at the end of "Kill the Moon" when it seems like: no, he's not. TL;DR Capaldi Rules, Twelve & Clara Forever.
Hard agree here, I love how 12 and Clara interact and I think she is one of my favorites, like you said its a teaching episode on how the Doctor is and thats why I also show it people who say the Doctor is a hero/nice guy when he sort of isn't, plus I like the idea of the impossible girl from 11s era into the school teacher in 12s since it the first time in nuwho we learnt alot about the character outside of what we see with the Doctor
My biggest problem with Season 8 is Peter Capaldi himself. Put John Hurt in that role and it would probably be my favourite season in the entire show. The story arc is brilliant ON PAPER but Capaldi didn't merely come across as cold, he came across as outright sociopathic. His "am I a good man" thing just came across as a man who was looking for excuses to be a shitty person instead of somebody who was genuinely questioning himself. And, contrary to what a lot of idiots say, this isn't a problem with the writing, aside from a few lines of dialogue here and there. It's a problem with Capaldi himself. He's nowhere near as good an actor as people build him up to be. John Hurt would have been able to balance the cold pragmatism and the warmer side of the Doctor a hell of a lot better than Capaldi did.
The Second Doctor didn't lose his memories of his companions. When the Time Lords sent Zoe and Jamie back to their respective times, they specifically state that they erased the companions' memories of the Doctor except for their first encounters with him. This is why, in "The Five Doctors," the Second Doctor realizes the Zoe and Jamie he encounters in the tower aren't real. As soon as they recognize the Brigadier, he knows something is wrong.
Correct! Also, I with regards to Jamie’s appearance in the Two Doctors, I think of it as happening at some point before the War Games. Dunno why Zoe wouldn’t be there, maybe was I’ll or something...😅
Wilfred was aware of aliens and even _expected_ them to attack on schedule for Christmas day. Donna just happened to miss out on all of them, which was an actual plot point that was significant enough to point out as strange. Captain Adelaide Brooke specifically recalled the Daleks invading Earth. Even the dude who Rose met in the first episode knew about the Doctor. So it seems a little weird when they go back on that and have ordinary people say things like "there's no such thing as aliens".
Okay, just to reply to these: 10. The Doctor did question the Daleks in Victory of the Daleks about how they survived and they did say that one of their ships had survived. I think it also shows that they're so arrogant or so willing to survive that they can get out of anything. 9. The Second Doctor didn't forget Jamie and Zoe. The Time Lords erased Jamie and Zoe's memories of all of their adventures with the Doctor save for their first meetings with him. 8. The Tenth Doctor stopped because he realised he'd gone too far with the "Time Lord Victorious" stuff. 7. In Torchwood's third series (A.K.A. Children of Earth), it was mentioned that by the end of the Daleks' invasion of Earth in 2009, half of the planet had accepted that there was more out there. The other half, however, still claimed ignorance. 6. Clara didn't come "sulking back" to the Doctor. She just decided to go on one more trip with the Doctor, but then forgave him for what he did and continued travelling with him (though she didn't stay with him long time and he regularly returned her home following whatever adventure she and him had). 5. Again, I think it just shows that his arrogance or willingness to survive shows he's quite indestructible. 4. Although I agree that Peri didn't get a fair enough send off at the end of The Trial of a Time Lord, I do think it's good to see that she survived her "death". 3. I actually think it's rather good that Bill was saved from death and being turned into a Cyberman. 2. I actually thought that Clara going off travelling with Ashildr/Me was alright and made Clara into like the Doctor with a travelling companion alongside her. 1. I've heard quite a bit about how they've been trying to get a female Doctor as far back as the 1980s, but I heard that John Nathan-Turner was involved in getting this done.
You do know the 2nd doctor didnt have his memories wiped of Jamie and zoe, it was jamie and zoe that had the wipe all they would remember is their first adventure. While the doctor has full memories of them, all the time lords did was put a block on his memory of how to fly the tardis. Also colin baker was a good doctor, he was just saddled with bad scripts except for revelation of the daleks. Also didnt help that the BBC didnt want him.
@@PeterMCRA He isnt bad just saddled with really bad scripts, like jodie, revelation of the daleks one of his highlights and have you heard his big finish audios, they showed how good he was and could of been on screen. But that's my opinion.
Yes it was explained in Series 5, which is why that wasn’t mentioned in the video. But companions like Rose and the Series 11/12 crew don’t seem to know about aliens (there’s a voice clip of Graham in this video) and it’s a little odd
Wow, this video manages to be wrong about almost everything. This guy seems to want a version of Doctor Who where the Daleks are dead, the Master is dead, and the companions are all dead. Glad he's not writing for the show.
@RuralGayBoy I think you mean the 2nd doctor story "The Evil of the Daleks" which was meant to be their last story, the 2nd doctor even says at the end of the story, "this is the final end" as the Daleks destroy themselves
@@jad43701 "Perfonticate" doesn't exist in the the Oxford English Dictionary. Besides, it's clear from the context of what's said at 10:08 that he's misread the word "pontificate" - that is, to drone on or "to speak in a pompous or dogmatic manner".
Adam Docherty Clara being a delight is an opinion, not a fact. My comment was more talking about the incorrect facts from the video. I don’t really care if you hate Clara, it just has nothing to do with what I said. Sorry for the confusion
Ten actually dying after it was prophesied for an entire series. The "I could do so much more" speech was by far the most powerful from his era and would have been a brilliant end to the whole show. I'm glad they carried the series on, I dont wish it ended, but of you were asked for the perfect ending for doctor who as a whole, it would be that
Journeys End certainly wasn’t the first time the Daleks were seemingly all killed off only to return in a later story. Happened at least three times in the classic series, including their very first story and in Remembrance when the Doctor blows up their whole planet. It’s just a thing about the Daleks that they always survive near total destruction
I really dislike this presenter. I'm guessing he is the one with the responsibility of writing all these points. But so far a large majority of the points he's made throughout his videos can easily be deconstructed due to his lack in ability to being able to connect the dots and deconstruct a character arc and writing
@@James-gc5if exactly. It's so annoying after a recent re watch of the show being able to go "well that happened because of..." For a majority of his points
I disagree about the Bill Potts ending, I thought it was very sweet that she ended up with Heather. It was a great way to wrap up that earlier plotline that also makes sense as a solution to the cyber-conversion. Either way, they already did the "cyberman retains their morality" with Yvonne Hartman, so it was good that they changed up Bill's fate and gave her an ending she deserved instead of just death. That Christmas special wasn't necessary though.
I agree, I like her ending in The Doctor Falls Tbh tho I wish that story had been Capaldi's last, Twice Upon a Time just drags it out way longer than necessary
@@thetadoesstuff it was going to be, but Moffat wanted to continue the tradition of a Christmas special. Chibnall was originally meant to write the xmas 2017 episode but didn't want to start a new doctor on a Christmas special
RUclipsr and 3D artist Lee Adams did a video series called Dalek Tales which explores how the Daleks came back for "Victory of the Daleks", obviously not official but it's my head-canon at least.
@@patrickmccurry1563 With that mind set, you could easily stop watching, the Doctor always wins, we know it, so it's meaningless to watch it everytime. Simm's Master won for a YEAR (that was erased eventually, but still), isn't that a good thing? At least for a whole episode the Master had the upper hand and the Doctor was loosing. If the Master's attempts are meaningless, then why do they even bother to bring him/her back again and again? Dhawan's Master also almost won, at least the plane situation and the Doctor locked in that strange dimension looked quite hopeless. And we've known, that the Doctor will find a way out eventually, defeating the Master just like the last time and the time before ... and ... Nothing is really meaningless, unless you want it to be.
@@TheProceduralTraveller I didn't say that, but this channel has had 3 videos complaining about the show in the last two weeks. Like do something else ffs
With Clara, a missed opportunity in Hell Bent was to make the Clara at the diner an echo from The Name of the Doctor. I always felt these echoes had suddenly disappeared after that episode and never seen again, while there were some intruiging ideas of what you could do. Bonnie, for example, didn't need to be a Zygon. What if she was an echo that had gone evil?
I actually thought Clara in the diner WAS an echo until it was revealed that she had her own TARDIS at the end of the episode. It's unfortunate that the echoes just disappeared but then again, the Doctor was completely blind to Clara's existence for 12 out of 13 lifetimes. John Hurt had an excuse for that because the Time Lock stopped the echoes from entering the Time War but the other Doctors were just idiots who waltzed passed millions of echoes without even sparing them a glance. Was there some kind of Perception Filter around Clara's echoes until Missy decided to intervene? She basically served as matchmaker just for kicks but how long had she been withholding Clara's existence from the Doctor? She confirmed that she had been "up and down your timeline", so she noticed Clara's echoes following the Doctor around and saving his ungrateful ass and I guess she just decided "Oh for god's sake you blind idiot, PAY ATTENTION!"
"It was a fitting end" Press a few buttons in the jail and all the Daleks spin around and explode "There was no justification for their return" Clip in the background literally shows a Dalek ship breaking off from the fleet and fleeing
Wow, this is one whole lot of personal opinion presented as fact. The Daleks and the Master have both been definitively killed off so many times throughout the series' history that cherry-picking any one moment when they came back seems utterly arbitrary. And the whole killing-off-Clara thing was so contrived in the first place that trying to present it as some kind of brave creative decision that was then rescinded is laughable.
I find Who Culture all too often misses important details. I think they also forget that a person can change moment to moment. Going from The Waters of Mars to The End of Time, you can see that The Doctor is largely putting on a brave face. In the scene where he talks to Wilf about how bad things went traveling alone, he finally shows how wounded he was by breaking down into tears. The Doctor lies. A lot. But for a moment he was honest. He was hurting. He was afraid. But that moment of honesty would quickly be covered up again by his charm, laughing and saying "Merry Christmas."
I'm no fan of Kill The Moon, but Clara's complaint is *not* that the Doctor put her in danger. It's that he patronized her. He stepped in time and again to save Earth, and then all of a sudden decided he didn't want to do it any more. This was Clara and humanity's problem, and he wasn't even going to offer advice. Yet at the same time, he was withholding information that could have influenced that decision. Clara was rightly furious, despite her love for him, and only relents in Mummy On The Orient Express when it becomes clear the Doctor regrets his behaviour and does in fact care about saving people, despite his pretence of indifference.
Actually, the m&m Daleks even existed in the classic Doctor Who. Okay, they weren't as vibrant back then, but they were multi-colored. I'm pretty sure that Bill died as a Cyberman. After all, it was shown in Twice Upon A Time that Testimony saved her memories. I'd argue that it was left somewhat vague what really happened.
Yeah but they can't kill off the one Doctor's archnemesis who keeps coming back throughout the entire show. He/she is the only one of his enemies that personally returns. Others, like daleks and cybermen, is a race, not a person
Obviously 10th understood what he had become the moment Adelaide committed suicide in the same episode. And the next episode he was on the verge of crying while remembering about it.
Jesus, these videos make me angry. There is an explanation for the daleks to come back, In the scene where the daleks are destroyed at the end of Journeys End, you can see one dalek ship slip away!!!! Ehhxjsnensueien
Also the Daleks slip through the crack in time (I think) which explains why Amy doesn’t remember them even tho she would have known about the Battle of Canary Wharf and the planets in the sky
In The Ultimate Foe, it was revealed that Peri didn't die and married King Yrcanos. The Master manipulated the matrix to make the Doctor think she'd died.
The number of moments where the answer is "... because of poor writing from Moffat." That's also the reason why many story arcs, character personalities and moments don't fit with existing continuity.
I do agree that the idea to completely throw the build up Waters of Mars had out of the window was a stupid idea. The Waters of Mars' ending was brilliant, the fact that Adelaide Brooke disagrees with The Doctor about him being "The Time Lord Victorious" and then she kills herself so that time re-verts to what it should or used to be, the Ood appearing in the distance as a symbolic warning that this time The Doctor has gone too far, and the ending scene with The Doctor inside the TARDIS and the cloister bell goes off is just dripping with atmosphere, and it means that the next story with Tennant's Doctor will be his final stand... but no. The beginning of The End of Time Part 1 completely throws that idea out of the window. I didn't really capitalise on this as a kid, but now it's made me realise that the idea to just make it seem like The Doctor just forgot or ignored it completely was a stupid idea. Imagine what The End of Time could've been otherwise.
Hang on. The second doctor didn’t forget Jamie and Zoe. They had their memory wiped by the time lord and sent them back. They only remember their first adventure before leaving on the TARDIS.
I personally hate when companions die (and I mean actual companions, not 1-episode characters). There's a sense of being able to safely get attached to a character like that because you know they won't die. Clara's death was really heartbreaking and shocking and I almost dropped the whole show. I didn't really count Amy and Rory's exit as dying since they lived their whole lives in another time.
If it's a joke, then it's not funny. If it isn't, well... The crispy Master didn't regenerate, he was male and came after someone in classic who (Delgado, Ainley, or don't know, haven't seen classic), he is supposed to be that same regeneration, which was last at that time, and that's why he's burned, crispy, because the last one COULDN'T regenerate. Regeneration fixes the Time Lord's body, doesn't leave it as a crisp. And Missy didn't burn, she was shot by Simm's Master's laser screwdriver, which blocked her regeneration. How comes, that Dhawan's Master came to be is a mystery. Either Missy is the last and between her and Saxon (Simm's Master's alternate persona, would be inapropriate to call him simply "Simm", without calling Missy "Gomez") could be any number of Masters, including the newest one, or Missy was resurrected and granted a regeneration, but she couldn't regenerate on her own after being shot with the laser screwdriver. She really was supposed to be the last one.
@@Croftice1 you did watch what happened to the same floor that she was shot on right it burned hence why I said crispy and how would you know that about the classic masters if you haven’t even watched it
Jenna Coleman was amazing - she was the companion with the absolut best introduction and it is shame what the writers did with her character, especially the love story with Mr. Pink... OMG so meaningless and then her end... Jenna did not deserve such treatment. for me she is on the third place of the "new who" companion list. Amy, Donna, Clara, Rose, Bill, Martha (soooooooooooo much potential, so little done with it) and at the end the three zombies from the latest doctor
I think Jenna suffered from Writer's Crush. i.e. Steven Moffat liked her so much that he made her unbearable at times. Having The Doctor begging her to follow him was so detrimental to his character. Same reverence for Amy Pond but Karen Gillan was too flippant to give a damn.
There was one saucer listing to the right during the explosion montage of the fleet and crucible exploding, that is supposed to be the ship from victory of the daleks
The whole point of the Trial of a Timelord was that everything you saw on the screens was being generated by the Matrix, and manipulated by the Master and so could not be trusted to be the truth, but the whole ending was rushed .... due to lack of money Bill Potts did suffer a fate worse than death, but was resurrected by the love of her life Moira the Pilot Ten went too far, and only the death of Adelaide Brooke and the appearance of Ood Sigma snaps him out of it Clara dying is a meta puzzle, he keeps meeting her, and she dies, then he meets her again... then you find out the only reason he met the modern Clara is due to Missy, which came first Clara, or the Doctor being interested in Clara ? .... so her failing to die at the end is a nod to this....
The last one really should have been “The Doctor Stole regeneration.” Because remember how regeneration is stolen, now? Wouldn’t it be cool to have the Doctor try to make up for that, and debate on whether or not it’s justified to keep doing it?
Then why do they make references to previous alien encounters? Like in Dark Water they showed a Cyberman head from the Invasion. And how does that explain all the people who died or went missing from those invasions? Like Rose and Jackie. And if they don't remember the Stolen Earth events then how do they explain Adelaide Brooks since it was those events that inspired her to go to Mars in the first place?
I do love the master during the Tennant era, and their return as Missy was phenomenal too, and might even be my favourite incarnation. but I think bringing the master back in s12 and having him be evil again seems too soon. I think it would've been cooler to bring back another time lord, like the Rani or someone.
Daleks should never be permanently destroyed. And peri had a crap death, the fact she actually survived made me happy. As for bill, I agree she should have stayed cyber.
They nearly killed off all the Daleks multiple times. The first time being Evil of the Daleks Also Mummy on the Orient Express was meant to be Clara's final trip in the Tardis. 12 wanted them to end on a high
Indeed. The Doctor says, as he looks out on a blazing Dalek city on Skaro: "The final end." And all because The Doctor had got a Dalek to ask: "Why?" I wish they'd animate 'The Evil Of The Daleks'. It's a superb, complex story, starting with the theft of the TARDIS, and a shop that sells suspiciously new genuine Victorian antiques, and has something weird in the cellar...
I can't imagine the daleks ever being gone for good. I freaking love them! It def does get annoying how the humans all just always "forget" about aliens (with one explanation or another and sometimes none) but I like it that most humans end up not knowing aliens exist. I don't want to lose the Master forever either. DW isn't the only show to constantly do this with main villains though.
The 10th doctor was sort of the villain in water of Mars and to do the same in his finale wouldn’t really be a good idea. This is what make water of Mars unique. At the end he is also kinda snapped out of it by the woman he saved killing herself. This was idea purely for water Mars, continuing it make the doctor evil and not really the doctor. It’s a great thing to do for a single episode but for more of especially a finale wouldn’t really make a lot of sense.
>Doctor Who never recovered from the Tom Baker era What? The last season of Tom Baker's saw a serious drop in ratings as the show was becoming very stale. Baker leaving and having a newer, younger and totally different Fifth Doctor actually brought it back. May not have hit the peaks of the 70's but it did rather well throughout the 20th anniversary season.
In my opinion, I hated Face the Raven. Yes, Clara was getting increasingly reckless after Danny Pink died. But she puts her own life at risk for Rigsy, a guy she met in one episode earlier and has no personal connection to whatsoever, and she just waves it off like, “eh, we’ll figure it out later”? Sure, she was reckless, but she was definitely smarter than that. Bad writing. And Hell Bent is one of my favorite episodes. Especially Clara and Twelve playing the game of chance for who gets to keep their memories. Brilliant!
to be fair, i don't mind that they brought bill back. her death and turning into a cyberman all whilst waiting for the doctor was honestly HEARTBREAKING it wouldn't be nice if they kept that as her actual fate when all the other nuwho companions got semi happy endings. rose got to live on earth2 with the meta crisis doctor, micky and Martha got married, Jackie got to live with an alternate version of her late husband, donna got married and had a daughter and lived a normal life, amy and rory were able to live their lives together in the past, clara got to run away with Me. it wouldnt be fair if bill actually died like that
10-People would have thrown a fit if the Daleks had left the show for good. That said Victory of the Daleks could have handled it a lot better then handwaving the Meta Crises Doctor missing three of them in his genocide. Then again several Daleks managed to fall out of the time war during RTD's era with little to no explanation, so I guess that's just the norm for them. 9-The 2nd Doctor didn't forget his companions, his companions forgot him. You can thank the Time Lords for that one. As for the 2nd Doctor's three appearances after that, and Jamie's appearance in The Two Doctors that all falls under the mess that is season 6B. 6B itself being another result of poor writing creating plot holes. 8-10 went to far, and the people he tried to save freaked out at what he did and committed suicide because of his actions. That caused him to snap out of his darker mood. He even tearfully says to Wilfred in The End of Time that he went too far in reference to the ending of The Waters of Mars. 7-This one can go both ways. Yeah, one can question why the human race still doesn't know about aliens. It doesn't make sense some times. I feel that RTD tried to fix that some during his era, but Moffat reset it with the cracks in time. In the end I guess it all comes down to human ignorance. 6-I'm with you on this one. Jenna Coleman is a great actor, but the writers didn't know what to do with her during 12's first season. Resulting in an inconsistent personality that fluctuated between wanting to stay with the Doctor or leave him for good. Thankfully they dropped that in the next season. 5-Beacuse The Master has what TV Tropes calls Joker Immunity. They can die as much as they want, but their popularity will allow them to come back. That said they should back off on it a bit. 4-Yeah, this one was definitely a poorly done quick fix up for something the writers regretted doing. 3-Bill was a great character, but the end to her story with The Doctor was a horrible end to what was otherwise a great companion. It would have been a sad way to go out, but I would have been fine with it if she had stayed a Cyberman. The puddle woman showing back up out of the blue and magically restoring Bill was complete BS on Moffat's part. Unfortunately Moffat does not seem to know how to kill a character off and then keep them dead. 2-Like with number 3 Moffat does not know how to kill a character off and keep them dead. Which lead us to two and a half excellent episodes with Face the Raven and Heaven Sent as well as the first half of Hell Bent. I can however understand what The Doctor was trying to do in the second half of Hell Bent. He was going through the five stages of grief still and hit the bargaining stage in the second half of the episode. He became desperate, and was willing to try anything to once again make the rules of time bend to him just like in The Waters of Mars. Where it fell apart was when The Doctor lost his memories of Clara, and then she got her own Tardis and left on her own adventures. They should have let her return to her own death, but again Moffat can't keep the dead dead. 1-I hear there was talk about The Doctor becoming a woman all the way back during the casting for the 5th Doctor. While it would have been cool to have had a female Doctor well before 13 I am fine with the 5th and 7th Doctors that we got.
So the master reincarnating due to being a timelord is unbelievable. Yet the doctor doing the same is totally believable. Also if I'm not mistaken the Clara issue as he puts it of Clara returning to the doctor is answered in the episode of said leaf metaphor.
@@jordanherkowski5052 I mean the doctor is supposed to be out of regenerations as well. I mean it could be argued that as the doctor got a new cycle, why couldn't that be applied to the master
@@98nh3609 The problem is not the regenerations, the problem is, that the Master almost always shows up after events, that he's not supposed to survive, not even with regeneration. As an example (I know a very bad example, but still), comes Sacha Dhawan's Master, supposedly after Missy (well we don't know for sure, but it's still possible), but she was shot with Simm Master's laser screwdriver, which supressed her regenerating ability, seemingly killing her. There's nothing regeneration could do here, when the other Master blocked it. And that's not the only time the Master escaped a certain death. It was a bad example as Dhawan's Master still can be between Saxon (Simm's Master) and Missy, we know that she comes after the ex-prime minister, but not if she comes DIRECTLY after him. But it's about such situations, that the Master always comes back, when not even his regeneration (or being a Time Lord in general) could save him. The last time we see Saxon, is killing Rassilon, stepping into the gate with them. There's a whole Gallifrey and a mad man just electrocuting their Lord President, I doubt they would just let him go. But oh well the next time we meet Missy and she doesn't even suffer from the drums. So how did the Master escape Gallifrey after the murder/forced regeneration of Rassilon? Yes, apparently regenerated (supposedly into Missy, or someone else before her), but how exactly and what happened next after that? It's this, that makes you wonder. Not just "yea, he's a Time Lord, they do this thing, the Doctor does it too", but we mostly know when it happens to the Doctor, yet we don't know anything regarding the Master's survival. And it's hard to justify it by saying "yea, he regenerated. Period".
@@Croftice1 That makes sense. I guess I didn't understand the way it was worded in the video. Sounds like wibbly wobbly plot convenience Thank you for clarifying. Have a wonderful day.
I mean they sort of explained why humanity forgets it and they don't always forget. Ex. In Dark Water there's a news report that calls back to a previous cybermen attack. Its unsure if this is related to the battle at Canary Warf or the 70's cybermen encounter but while humanity has forgotten the cyberking they didn't forget them entirely The Doctor has actually asked Amy why she just forgot about the Daleks stealing earth and the 27 planets which was caused by the cracks in time. And there's the monks where after they were defeated Bill claimed humanity can now stand up to its dictators until the doctor points out that the monks took all memory of them with them dooming humanity You know what truly is the greatest thing the writers always chicken out? The doctor's consequences of his impulse to help people. Almost every season there's at least one episode that shows the consequences of the doctor helping people robbing people of their death, redefining the meaning of doctor, yet immediately runs to check it out. Ex: closing time the doctor notices a interference telling himself its just bad lighting nothing to investigate and accidentally became Craig's husband Season 10 the doctor is immediately told about a puddle that looks wrong and RUNS TO CHECK IT, the doctor realizes the new human Colony is a death trap AND RUNS TO GO BLOW IT UP
Number 10, bringing the Daleks back after Journey's End without a good story (since) is one of the main reasons I'm not a fan of the Moffat era. While you could say the same about Evil of the Daleks and Day of the Daleks, and they could have made Genesis of the Daleks anyway, there were some good stories after Evil. The three Time War Daleks in Victory of the Daleks could have escaped The Parting of the Ways (hence why they weren't pure), and Journey's End IS the end of the Daleks, like Dalek Caan saw.
the master can be explain in another explanation as the decayed master is his final incarnation and he forces himself to live even in this condition partly because he wills himself to live on part of his timelord abilities (possibly) this would of been better explained if they had said the timeless child was the master instead of the doctor we would know what other abilities the child would of had but it would explain the insanity the master has
Extra moment the writers chickened out of: hiring me to write Doctor who and regenerate Peter Capaldi into Simon Farnaby! I promise you, the Timeless Child won't exist!
Oho. The use of The Doctor's second Incarnation in 'The Two Doctors' is because the writer, Robert Holmes, had forgotten which of The Doctor's incarnations did unwilling 'odd jobs' for The Time Lords (it was the third, whilst in exile, and a couple of times, the fourth). Since then, it has appeared in fiction, that, instead of just regenerating, The Doctor's Second incarnation was used for many years, possibly centuries, as an unwilling agent for The Time Lords - doing the sort of jobs for them where he gets the messy end of the stick. After every mission, his mind is wiped, and he's sent out yet again;(as shown in the short story 'Save Yourself', by Terrance Dicks, from the 2019 'Target Storybook), which is why he looks older - this incarnation, like his first, is 'wearing a bit thin'. A Time Lord interference mission, then, is how he and Jamie (also mind wiped by The Time Lords) are on Space Station Camera, to dissuade Dastari, Kartz and Reimer from their time travel experiments, not realising that it is a Sontaran trap.
I can't agree that he Master's continued survival from death is a moment the writers chicken out of. All great villains die and then come back from the dead.
Okay, I've heard a lot about The Master keep returning and you're right he does but it's not been absolutely confirmed that Sacha Dhawan comes after Missy's Incarnation, as John Simm's version says; "Don't even bother trying to Regenerate, you got the full blast." There have been 9 on screen Masters... I know it would cause a misguided timeline similar to River Song but Sasha could come else where. All we've heard him tells Graham that he knew The Doctor when she was still a man which means he could even predate Derek Jacobi's version.
there are about 17 masters and the master came back because all his supressed goodness triggerd a new regeneration cycle and missy became the lumiat and past missy killed the lumiat and the lumiat became the spy master
@@thelonggame9583 Okay but that sounds like in the comics or audio adventures. I think these kinda chats only keep to what is on the small screen of TV.
@@Doctor_Odin Interesting. Maybe it's time they revisited that kinda dynamic for The Modern Master. Granted it would be nice if they'd bring back other classic villains like the Rani or the Valeyard. For some reason; the Modern series just brings back the Master. :/
It's not even clear, if Missy comes directly after Simm's "ex-prime minister Saxon" Master, she is AFTER him, but could be the next, or the second, third and so on regeneration after Saxon, with Dhawan's "O" Master being inbetween. They had a dialogue about that, but it was a bit vague, didn't clearly say, that she comes DIRECTLY after him. It works for that episode as Simm's Master will eventually regenerate (and then maybe again, and again) into Missy, so she got that dematerialization circuit for him "from him", but it's not hard to believe that every regeneration that eventually happens after Saxon might keep that circuit on them until they become Missy and meet Saxon on board the Mondasian colony ship.
What about when they set the old man companion up as a bus driver going back to Rosa Park is time and not taking the role of the bad bus driver. The guys wife even set it up in episode 1 asking him if he was the racist bus driver
The Daleks were originally killed oof in 1967 - Evil of The Daleks. They only came back in Day of the Daleks because the current production team forgot.
Keef Baker thy came back in Day of the Daleks because fans and BBC executives kept weighting to the production team asking why there where no Dalek in Doctor Who and saying that they should be brought back in-fact in a deleted bit of dialogue from Day the Daleks would have explained how they survived.
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Tennant's Doctor realising he was going too far is _why_ he stopped himself. It was realistic writing and acting, not a cop out. Most people _would_ go "what the hell have I done? I need to stop, I need help. This isn't right." And when it came to The End of Time, he was being incredibly childish towards Ood Sigma because he was terrified. Of pain, of death. People _do_ make jokes when they're scared.
@@tomgl6684 The point is that he realised it immediately. Rather than having a longer development that could last a season or two, the Doctor just immediately reverts back to who he normally is by the end of WoM where he doesn't even do anything that is morally wrong.
@@tomgl6684 Ok two points
First, the point is how quick he snaps back. What Will is trying to say in the video is that the change barely lasted an episode. When character arcs of this sort often take way longer to be satsifying and feel credible. For instance, Walter White's descent into villainy and his attempt at redemption all take several episodes and seasons.Obviously, Breaking Bad and DW are very different shows but the point is that it would have been more interesting than him just changing back immediately. In most TV the transition from hero to antihero or villain and the redemption arc that follows are longer for a reason
Secondly, the reason to me the end of WoM is a poor case of moral ambiguity is because it runs counter to a moral point the show is trying to hammer in time and time again. This moral point being killing and letting people die is wrong even if you have strong utilitarians reasons to do so. This is a point that comes up time and time again, Kill The Moon, Journey's End and countless other episodes make that point.But suddenly we are expected to see this decision to refuse to let a woman die because her death would inspire her granddaughter to be morally wrong because it goes against the nebulously defined idea of a fixed point in time that the show doesn't really explain at that point in the story.
Let's put it this way, let's say I told the plot of the episode and told them '' Yea, the Doctor didn't like that an innocent woman was fated to die, so he went back and saved her and told to be an inspiration to her granddaughter so she can accomplish what would normally triggeed by granma's death''. Suddenly, the narrative of the Doctor somehow becoming feels a lot more contrived. The Doctor's arrogance in WoM could have been the start of a series of episodes where the Doctor takes more and more extreme actions that become less and less defensible, but rather than that we just get Ten saying arrogant stuff to a woman after saving her which is a underwhelming as an anti-hero arc.
They don't ever really explain why it's so terrible for him to be Timelord Victorious, do they? I remember someone saying he didn't have the right to change history, but that was about it. It might have been better if he'd done a couple of more things to show why having that power was such a terrible thing, rather than just once and then not really seeing the consequences of it.
Couldn't agree more, the doctors dark, scared side isn't explored enough and was refreshing to see with tenant.
Harley, you got it absolutely right.
"But his death at the end of the three-part finale looked final."
Except, you know, that tease with the woman's hand and the ring at the end, and was part of his resurrection in The End of Time.
To be fair though, the actual ressurection scene is terrible
@@deltahalo241 true, the cgi aged horrifically and the woman resurrecting him was a little too hammy for my liking
Also there’s just magical goo that can bring you back to life now if you use blood magic
To be honest I don’t agree with the narcissist one... the whole point of Adelaide killing herself was to snap the doctor out of it. We see that change at the end of that same episode. If anything though he still had some of that narcissism... just in a different way. He just went off and kinda partied.
He went way too far and changed a fix point in time and Adelaide killing herself to set things right made him snap out of it. I thought that was well handled. I couldn't take him being a narcissist in the entire finale, especially since he regenerates at the end. You don't want him to "go" at the end.
@Barbara Zhang He was a narcissist even way before the Waters of Mars, when he sent his regen energy to his hand, and explained it to his companions, he said "I didn't want to change, why would I?" even with a self centered posture. If that's not narcissism, then what is? But he was still great, I think that's part of Tenth Doctor's charm and he has all rights to be like that. A Time Lord is an awesome being, smarter, better in every way than a human (oh the Midnight episode has shown the best of that), so why not being proud of it? Why not showing it? Like Ninth ever hadn't that moment, right? Really, it's the nature of a Time Lord. Every Doctor's regeneration is a self loving dude (or gal).
Yes, the message of this video is probably the point, that Tenth snapped out of it after Adelaide killed herself, so the writers actually backed off, but it's in the story, the event of her killing herself was a wake up pill for the Doctor. And he still continued being a narcissist person, just not in that extent. He went too far and Adelaide's death slapped him in the face. That's not backing off, that's a story progress.
The Doctor Victorious is Wrong!
One of THE BEST 1 episode companions and one of the very few times I was okay with a suicide...bc she knew that for a being like The Doctor, there was only 1 way to make him understand he was not bigger than established Human History.
The second doctor didn’t have his memory wiped of his companions, they have their memories wiped of him
Yea, I was gonna say, that doesn't sound right. I literally just watched his run, and it's just that his companions don't have any memory of him (although with Zoe, she does have a memory of The Doctor and Jamie, just not adventures with them). I really don't like this guy. Every video where he's been the host, he's gotten shit wrong. Rich is way better.
That would have made this scene make even less sense than it already does: ruclips.net/video/Tbh2rOWs3UU/видео.html
They remember there first adventure with the second doctor
you missed the point, they were GOING to wipe his memory then didnt. So when it came to 3rd it would be a true blank slate, except for the brig
@@ljllob4740 yes
The 2nd Doctor doesn’t forget his companions they forget him apart from their first adventure. It’s states it very clearly in the story.
he’s saying that he was MEANT to, but they chickened out
@@william...1 zoe still forgot
Plus, it happens just as he's about to regenerate, so even if he did forget them at that moment, any Second Doctor brought into a future story through timey-wimeyness would be a Second Doctor from some point before that moment, one whose memories are still firmly intact.
I don't remember it ever being said that HE would forget. Also, in The Five Doctors, the Second Doctor clearly remembers losing his companions, meaning The Five Doctors must, somehow, take place before the Second Doctor's exile and regeneration.
In 'The Curse Of Fenric', The Doctor's seventh incarnation uses his faith in his companions to repel a Haemovore attack. Watch carefully, and you can see Sylvester McCoy say the names of all his companions, from Susan to Ace.
In the mini episode 'The Night Of The Doctor', his Eighth incarnation says the names of his companions from books and 'Big Finish' audio plays, before he takes the elixir of The Sisterhood Of Karn. This shows he does not forget, and makes those unseen characters canonical.
Love how u say 'peri is overtaken' instead of 'peri is taken over' as if they were in some sort of friendly running race 😂😂
The word has multiple meanings and it makes perfect sense the way he used it
@@impendingdoom7920 i know that, it just sounded funny, jeez
@@tomgl6684 yes
@@tomgl6684 who stepped on your nikes today...
It's more acceptable than his pronunciation of "pontificate" as "perfonticate"!
The 7th Doctor era isn’t a slight improvement. His last two seasons are some of Doctor Who’s best.
I guess thats an opinion though
Also love Paradise Towers
Cameron Monaghan To be honest I like Paradise towers and Dragonfire but I understand they aren’t great stories.
@@highvoltage7797 they are great in their own unique way
Damn straight! Once remembrance of the daleks hit, McCoy just got better and better and cartmell was doing things right and bring back the mysterious. Just that bloody Michael grade! Oh what could of been.
Who seriously thought Journey's End was the last time they'd ever see a Dalek in Doctor Who?
Stupid people
The presenter, apparently
Of course the Darleks would return, but I would have preferred if it had been a more grand return. Have the Doctor been shocked about it and going somethign like "How are tehy here? How can they... The CRACK! A CRACK IN TIME! THEIR ERASURE HAS BEEN EARASED!"
Instead they just appear again and it's kinda "Hey... Darleks!"
You say that Moffat carelessly undid a perfect ending for the Daleks in Journeys End but I swear it was explained as a result of the Cracks in Time that meant certain historical moments were erasing, meaning that events whereby the Daleks historically failed, ultimately never happened and they were still alive or even just slipping through into different points in time
Honestly, even in the episode you can see a Dalek ship break off from the fleet and flee. The clip where it happens is even playing in the background when he's talking about it
deltahalo241 where tf....
@@drd2121 1:51 in the video, on the right hand side of the screen as his picture is up, you can see the Dalek ship break off and leave
RTD intentionally snuck in a ship escaping in Journeys End to allow the Dalek’s to be used by future writing teams
Also, the Daleks were never gonna be killed and RTD didn’t want that. Same with the Master.
Jesus you have not watched the War Games have you? Lmao he did not forget his companions instead THEY forget him.
It's bizarre that anyone would think Clara was ever meant to leave at the end of "Kill the Moon" when it was clearly part of the season arc of her (and us) dealing with Twelve's "heartless" pragmatic approach to things. You need her to say she's done with him in order for "Mummy on the Orient Express" to teach her why he thinks that way. Everyone always talks about S8 like it's wobbly or unfocused, but it has one of the most solid season-long character arcs for the Doctor and the Companion in modern Who, with their growing mutual lies, his dislike for soldiers (turning to respect in the finale), and him questioning whether he's even a good man at all -- which is what Clara finally snaps over at the end of "Kill the Moon" when it seems like: no, he's not.
TL;DR Capaldi Rules, Twelve & Clara Forever.
Hard agree here, I love how 12 and Clara interact and I think she is one of my favorites, like you said its a teaching episode on how the Doctor is and thats why I also show it people who say the Doctor is a hero/nice guy when he sort of isn't, plus I like the idea of the impossible girl from 11s era into the school teacher in 12s since it the first time in nuwho we learnt alot about the character outside of what we see with the Doctor
My biggest problem with Season 8 is Peter Capaldi himself. Put John Hurt in that role and it would probably be my favourite season in the entire show. The story arc is brilliant ON PAPER but Capaldi didn't merely come across as cold, he came across as outright sociopathic. His "am I a good man" thing just came across as a man who was looking for excuses to be a shitty person instead of somebody who was genuinely questioning himself. And, contrary to what a lot of idiots say, this isn't a problem with the writing, aside from a few lines of dialogue here and there. It's a problem with Capaldi himself. He's nowhere near as good an actor as people build him up to be. John Hurt would have been able to balance the cold pragmatism and the warmer side of the Doctor a hell of a lot better than Capaldi did.
The Second Doctor didn't lose his memories of his companions. When the Time Lords sent Zoe and Jamie back to their respective times, they specifically state that they erased the companions' memories of the Doctor except for their first encounters with him. This is why, in "The Five Doctors," the Second Doctor realizes the Zoe and Jamie he encounters in the tower aren't real. As soon as they recognize the Brigadier, he knows something is wrong.
Correct! Also, I with regards to Jamie’s appearance in the Two Doctors, I think of it as happening at some point before the War Games. Dunno why Zoe wouldn’t be there, maybe was I’ll or something...😅
Wilfred was aware of aliens and even _expected_ them to attack on schedule for Christmas day. Donna just happened to miss out on all of them, which was an actual plot point that was significant enough to point out as strange. Captain Adelaide Brooke specifically recalled the Daleks invading Earth. Even the dude who Rose met in the first episode knew about the Doctor. So it seems a little weird when they go back on that and have ordinary people say things like "there's no such thing as aliens".
Okay, just to reply to these:
10. The Doctor did question the Daleks in Victory of the Daleks about how they survived and they did say that one of their ships had survived. I think it also shows that they're so arrogant or so willing to survive that they can get out of anything.
9. The Second Doctor didn't forget Jamie and Zoe. The Time Lords erased Jamie and Zoe's memories of all of their adventures with the Doctor save for their first meetings with him.
8. The Tenth Doctor stopped because he realised he'd gone too far with the "Time Lord Victorious" stuff.
7. In Torchwood's third series (A.K.A. Children of Earth), it was mentioned that by the end of the Daleks' invasion of Earth in 2009, half of the planet had accepted that there was more out there. The other half, however, still claimed ignorance.
6. Clara didn't come "sulking back" to the Doctor. She just decided to go on one more trip with the Doctor, but then forgave him for what he did and continued travelling with him (though she didn't stay with him long time and he regularly returned her home following whatever adventure she and him had).
5. Again, I think it just shows that his arrogance or willingness to survive shows he's quite indestructible.
4. Although I agree that Peri didn't get a fair enough send off at the end of The Trial of a Time Lord, I do think it's good to see that she survived her "death".
3. I actually think it's rather good that Bill was saved from death and being turned into a Cyberman.
2. I actually thought that Clara going off travelling with Ashildr/Me was alright and made Clara into like the Doctor with a travelling companion alongside her.
1. I've heard quite a bit about how they've been trying to get a female Doctor as far back as the 1980s, but I heard that John Nathan-Turner was involved in getting this done.
You do know the 2nd doctor didnt have his memories wiped of Jamie and zoe, it was jamie and zoe that had the wipe all they would remember is their first adventure. While the doctor has full memories of them, all the time lords did was put a block on his memory of how to fly the tardis. Also colin baker was a good doctor, he was just saddled with bad scripts except for revelation of the daleks. Also didnt help that the BBC didnt want him.
@@PeterMCRA He isnt bad just saddled with really bad scripts, like jodie, revelation of the daleks one of his highlights and have you heard his big finish audios, they showed how good he was and could of been on screen. But that's my opinion.
@@PeterMCRA He could only play the character he was given. And that was an arrogant, douche bag, fop.
You did actually watch Series 5 when Eleven asks Amy why she doesn't remember the alien invasions and "planets in the sky"?
Honestly that whole excuse in series 5 was a bit of a cop-out as well, clearly just Moffat thinking of the top of his head
@@The12thDimension. It was tied into the entire series arc. Literally the entire world was gradually losing its memory as the Crack ate history.
There were several events after that
Yes it was explained in Series 5, which is why that wasn’t mentioned in the video. But companions like Rose and the Series 11/12 crew don’t seem to know about aliens (there’s a voice clip of Graham in this video) and it’s a little odd
"The Cyberking! A giant cyberman walks all over Victorian London and no one even remembers!" - S05E05 "Flesh And Stone".
Due to Time Lord interference, no fewer than at least five Peri's were removed from her timestream before death.
I think that the biggest recent 'chickening out' was not leaving Capaldi's Doctor blind until regeneration.
agreed, that would have been interesting!
Dude they explained that the second doctors companions forgot him minus the first time they met him not the other way around get your facts right
Wow, this video manages to be wrong about almost everything. This guy seems to want a version of Doctor Who where the Daleks are dead, the Master is dead, and the companions are all dead. Glad he's not writing for the show.
KILL THEM ALL.
@RuralGayBoy I think you mean the 2nd doctor story "The Evil of the Daleks" which was meant to be their last story, the 2nd doctor even says at the end of the story, "this is the final end" as the Daleks destroy themselves
10:08 "perfonticate"? The word you need is "pontificate" :)
Perfonticate means to go slowly.
@@jad43701 "Perfonticate" doesn't exist in the the Oxford English Dictionary. Besides, it's clear from the context of what's said at 10:08 that he's misread the word "pontificate" - that is, to drone on or "to speak in a pompous or dogmatic manner".
If you look when the dalek ships explode, one flys away
Not to be rude, but a lot of this is incorrect
like Clara being a delight..... agreed
Adam Docherty No, not that
The fuck yiu mean "no not that"
Clara is worst
Adam Docherty Clara being a delight is an opinion, not a fact. My comment was more talking about the incorrect facts from the video. I don’t really care if you hate Clara, it just has nothing to do with what I said. Sorry for the confusion
@@evanmccreesh268 i know, im just fucking with you dude
Ten actually dying after it was prophesied for an entire series. The "I could do so much more" speech was by far the most powerful from his era and would have been a brilliant end to the whole show. I'm glad they carried the series on, I dont wish it ended, but of you were asked for the perfect ending for doctor who as a whole, it would be that
Journeys End certainly wasn’t the first time the Daleks were seemingly all killed off only to return in a later story. Happened at least three times in the classic series, including their very first story and in Remembrance when the Doctor blows up their whole planet. It’s just a thing about the Daleks that they always survive near total destruction
It's very clear this presenter hasn't watched classic who
Probably just read a few Wikipedia entries on it
Clara's inability to "quit" the doctor ends up being a very important part of her character and arch.
I really dislike this presenter. I'm guessing he is the one with the responsibility of writing all these points. But so far a large majority of the points he's made throughout his videos can easily be deconstructed due to his lack in ability to being able to connect the dots and deconstruct a character arc and writing
Or indeed, lack of ability to watch an episode of Doctor Who and accurately summarise the plot without making glaring errors.
You don’t stay and read the credits on these videos do you xD
@@danthemeegs8751 what credits? Even so, whoever is reading the points for these episodes needs a kick up the ass.
@@James-gc5if exactly. It's so annoying after a recent re watch of the show being able to go "well that happened because of..." For a majority of his points
Yeah I don't think they even watch doctor who they just go on Wikipedia
I disagree about the Bill Potts ending, I thought it was very sweet that she ended up with Heather. It was a great way to wrap up that earlier plotline that also makes sense as a solution to the cyber-conversion.
Either way, they already did the "cyberman retains their morality" with Yvonne Hartman, so it was good that they changed up Bill's fate and gave her an ending she deserved instead of just death.
That Christmas special wasn't necessary though.
I agree, I like her ending in The Doctor Falls
Tbh tho I wish that story had been Capaldi's last, Twice Upon a Time just drags it out way longer than necessary
@@thetadoesstuff it was going to be, but Moffat wanted to continue the tradition of a Christmas special. Chibnall was originally meant to write the xmas 2017 episode but didn't want to start a new doctor on a Christmas special
@@George-tm2wt I know, idk why cuz it worked well for Tennant, an era that Chibnall keeps trying to rip off 😂
Bill's end was the sort of continuity this channel has praised in the past, too.
RUclipsr and 3D artist Lee Adams did a video series called Dalek Tales which explores how the Daleks came back for "Victory of the Daleks", obviously not official but it's my head-canon at least.
name clara's 3rd dimension I dare you
also yeah I agree Jenna wasn't the issue, SHE was the delight
Her chest. It's really kind of hard to miss when you're trying to watch the show.
1. simps
2. clara went into the doctor's time stream and thus knew a lot of knowledge but she was still human so she often made wrong choices
She could win a fast talking contest. Understanding anything she says is a chore.
The second Doctor doesn't forget his companions, they forget him.
The twelfth Doctor forgets Clara until he regenerates.
The Master should never be killed off, some of the greatest performances ever seen in the show, Simms and Dharwan were magnificent.
Possibly, but he was... again and again and again. It destroys any attempt at danger for him when we know it is literally meaningless.
@@patrickmccurry1563 With that mind set, you could easily stop watching, the Doctor always wins, we know it, so it's meaningless to watch it everytime.
Simm's Master won for a YEAR (that was erased eventually, but still), isn't that a good thing? At least for a whole episode the Master had the upper hand and the Doctor was loosing. If the Master's attempts are meaningless, then why do they even bother to bring him/her back again and again? Dhawan's Master also almost won, at least the plane situation and the Doctor locked in that strange dimension looked quite hopeless. And we've known, that the Doctor will find a way out eventually, defeating the Master just like the last time and the time before ... and ...
Nothing is really meaningless, unless you want it to be.
For a channel seemingly dedicated to Doctor Who, you complain about it a lot.
If you think this is bad you should see nerdrotic or bowlestrek 😂
Not only that he gets so much information wrong too
tobgann bowlestrek is so bad that I’ll never understand why he dedicates so much time and effort to a show he apparently despises😂
So you can't have a Dr Who channel unless you like everything about the show and have no nitpicks.....Noted!
@@TheProceduralTraveller I didn't say that, but this channel has had 3 videos complaining about the show in the last two weeks. Like do something else ffs
The doctor and the master are so similar: they both run away with a stolen TARDIS.
With Clara, a missed opportunity in Hell Bent was to make the Clara at the diner an echo from The Name of the Doctor.
I always felt these echoes had suddenly disappeared after that episode and never seen again, while there were some intruiging ideas of what you could do. Bonnie, for example, didn't need to be a Zygon. What if she was an echo that had gone evil?
I actually thought Clara in the diner WAS an echo until it was revealed that she had her own TARDIS at the end of the episode. It's unfortunate that the echoes just disappeared but then again, the Doctor was completely blind to Clara's existence for 12 out of 13 lifetimes. John Hurt had an excuse for that because the Time Lock stopped the echoes from entering the Time War but the other Doctors were just idiots who waltzed passed millions of echoes without even sparing them a glance. Was there some kind of Perception Filter around Clara's echoes until Missy decided to intervene? She basically served as matchmaker just for kicks but how long had she been withholding Clara's existence from the Doctor? She confirmed that she had been "up and down your timeline", so she noticed Clara's echoes following the Doctor around and saving his ungrateful ass and I guess she just decided "Oh for god's sake you blind idiot, PAY ATTENTION!"
God you've reminded me of waters of Mars, I have never watched that episode fully because it scared the ever loving shit out of me 😭
"It was a fitting end"
Press a few buttons in the jail and all the Daleks spin around and explode
"There was no justification for their return"
Clip in the background literally shows a Dalek ship breaking off from the fleet and fleeing
Wow, this is one whole lot of personal opinion presented as fact. The Daleks and the Master have both been definitively killed off so many times throughout the series' history that cherry-picking any one moment when they came back seems utterly arbitrary. And the whole killing-off-Clara thing was so contrived in the first place that trying to present it as some kind of brave creative decision that was then rescinded is laughable.
the most exciting thing about Bill was her turning into a Cyberman. And it’s been nothing but full speed ahead downhill since then.
I find Who Culture all too often misses important details. I think they also forget that a person can change moment to moment. Going from The Waters of Mars to The End of Time, you can see that The Doctor is largely putting on a brave face. In the scene where he talks to Wilf about how bad things went traveling alone, he finally shows how wounded he was by breaking down into tears.
The Doctor lies. A lot. But for a moment he was honest. He was hurting. He was afraid. But that moment of honesty would quickly be covered up again by his charm, laughing and saying "Merry Christmas."
I'm no fan of Kill The Moon, but Clara's complaint is *not* that the Doctor put her in danger. It's that he patronized her. He stepped in time and again to save Earth, and then all of a sudden decided he didn't want to do it any more. This was Clara and humanity's problem, and he wasn't even going to offer advice. Yet at the same time, he was withholding information that could have influenced that decision.
Clara was rightly furious, despite her love for him, and only relents in Mummy On The Orient Express when it becomes clear the Doctor regrets his behaviour and does in fact care about saving people, despite his pretence of indifference.
There’s a line in Remembrance of the Daleks that mentions that humans are very forgetful regarding alien invasions.
Actually, the m&m Daleks even existed in the classic Doctor Who. Okay, they weren't as vibrant back then, but they were multi-colored.
I'm pretty sure that Bill died as a Cyberman. After all, it was shown in Twice Upon A Time that Testimony saved her memories. I'd argue that it was left somewhat vague what really happened.
Missy dying was an amazing way for the master to die.. A brilliant redemption arc, only spoiled by a new master, popping up.
Yeah but they can't kill off the one Doctor's archnemesis who keeps coming back throughout the entire show. He/she is the only one of his enemies that personally returns. Others, like daleks and cybermen, is a race, not a person
In a a parallel universe the timeless child is on this list
Obviously 10th understood what he had become the moment Adelaide committed suicide in the same episode. And the next episode he was on the verge of crying while remembering about it.
Jesus, these videos make me angry. There is an explanation for the daleks to come back, In the scene where the daleks are destroyed at the end of Journeys End, you can see one dalek ship slip away!!!! Ehhxjsnensueien
Also the Daleks slip through the crack in time (I think) which explains why Amy doesn’t remember them even tho she would have known about the Battle of Canary Wharf and the planets in the sky
Time was also a bit iffy during Season 5 as the crack in time slwoly ate away history.
The erasure of the Darleks could have been erased from time.
i bloody Refuse to believe Peri Died in that episode, the Doctor definitely went back for her offscreen
the doctor looked for her and it turned out that there was 5 peris but the peri he traveled with first died, listen to big finish
@@thelonggame9583 yes i've been meaning to listen to that story but i Personally Believe one of those 5 Peri's is living happily in the 21st century
In The Ultimate Foe, it was revealed that Peri didn't die and married King Yrcanos. The Master manipulated the matrix to make the Doctor think she'd died.
Am I the only one who agrees that the "too far" version of the Doctor should have been used until his regeneration?
The number of moments where the answer is "... because of poor writing from Moffat."
That's also the reason why many story arcs, character personalities and moments don't fit with existing continuity.
I do agree that the idea to completely throw the build up Waters of Mars had out of the window was a stupid idea. The Waters of Mars' ending was brilliant, the fact that Adelaide Brooke disagrees with The Doctor about him being "The Time Lord Victorious" and then she kills herself so that time re-verts to what it should or used to be, the Ood appearing in the distance as a symbolic warning that this time The Doctor has gone too far, and the ending scene with The Doctor inside the TARDIS and the cloister bell goes off is just dripping with atmosphere, and it means that the next story with Tennant's Doctor will be his final stand... but no. The beginning of The End of Time Part 1 completely throws that idea out of the window. I didn't really capitalise on this as a kid, but now it's made me realise that the idea to just make it seem like The Doctor just forgot or ignored it completely was a stupid idea. Imagine what The End of Time could've been otherwise.
Hang on. The second doctor didn’t forget Jamie and Zoe. They had their memory wiped by the time lord and sent them back. They only remember their first adventure before leaving on the TARDIS.
this video is wrong. the companions forgot most of their adventures not the doctor
I personally hate when companions die (and I mean actual companions, not 1-episode characters). There's a sense of being able to safely get attached to a character like that because you know they won't die. Clara's death was really heartbreaking and shocking and I almost dropped the whole show. I didn't really count Amy and Rory's exit as dying since they lived their whole lives in another time.
Honestly I think missy actually regenerated into the crispy master it makes sense because her body burned
If it's a joke, then it's not funny. If it isn't, well...
The crispy Master didn't regenerate, he was male and came after someone in classic who (Delgado, Ainley, or don't know, haven't seen classic), he is supposed to be that same regeneration, which was last at that time, and that's why he's burned, crispy, because the last one COULDN'T regenerate. Regeneration fixes the Time Lord's body, doesn't leave it as a crisp. And Missy didn't burn, she was shot by Simm's Master's laser screwdriver, which blocked her regeneration. How comes, that Dhawan's Master came to be is a mystery. Either Missy is the last and between her and Saxon (Simm's Master's alternate persona, would be inapropriate to call him simply "Simm", without calling Missy "Gomez") could be any number of Masters, including the newest one, or Missy was resurrected and granted a regeneration, but she couldn't regenerate on her own after being shot with the laser screwdriver. She really was supposed to be the last one.
@@Croftice1 you did watch what happened to the same floor that she was shot on right it burned hence why I said crispy and how would you know that about the classic masters if you haven’t even watched it
Jenna Coleman was amazing - she was the companion with the absolut best introduction and it is shame what the writers did with her character, especially the love story with Mr. Pink... OMG so meaningless and then her end... Jenna did not deserve such treatment.
for me she is on the third place of the "new who" companion list. Amy, Donna, Clara, Rose, Bill, Martha (soooooooooooo much potential, so little done with it) and at the end the three zombies from the latest doctor
Jenna’s acting is so underrated in this show. She has so many strong moments.
I think Jenna suffered from Writer's Crush. i.e. Steven Moffat liked her so much that he made her unbearable at times. Having The Doctor begging her to follow him was so detrimental to his character.
Same reverence for Amy Pond but Karen Gillan was too flippant to give a damn.
It's too bad we didn't see Time Lord Triumphant, he plays a good villain too.
Nice vid. Good as always. Last few seconds though - "Perfonticate" - What? I think you mean 'pontificate'
I feel like rewatching and maybe catching up with Doctor Who again.
2:56 the only reason why i cant wait for the timelord victorious to come out. Even though 10s character was always narcissistic
Hearing you chat shit about Moffat is crazy he builds the best episodes
"Until Moffat undoes all his great work", this happens so often.
There was one saucer listing to the right during the explosion montage of the fleet and crucible exploding, that is supposed to be the ship from victory of the daleks
Imagine of the storyline of Ace becoming a time lord happening, with it then being discovered that Ace was the next doctor after 7th
The whole point of the Trial of a Timelord was that everything you saw on the screens was being generated by the Matrix, and manipulated by the Master and so could not be trusted to be the truth, but the whole ending was rushed .... due to lack of money
Bill Potts did suffer a fate worse than death, but was resurrected by the love of her life Moira the Pilot
Ten went too far, and only the death of Adelaide Brooke and the appearance of Ood Sigma snaps him out of it
Clara dying is a meta puzzle, he keeps meeting her, and she dies, then he meets her again... then you find out the only reason he met the modern Clara is due to Missy, which came first Clara, or the Doctor being interested in Clara ? .... so her failing to die at the end is a nod to this....
There are literally SO many chicken shit moments but I'd say you nailed a good solid top 10.. :)
I can’t believe River wasn’t around for some episodes about our favorite wibbly wobbly timey wifey
The last one really should have been “The Doctor Stole regeneration.” Because remember how regeneration is stolen, now? Wouldn’t it be cool to have the Doctor try to make up for that, and debate on whether or not it’s justified to keep doing it?
The universe was restarted in the Moffat era, that's why people from Earth don't remember the alien invasions. Do you even watch the show?
He didn't really go too far with time can be re written though did he?
Then why do they make references to previous alien encounters? Like in Dark Water they showed a Cyberman head from the Invasion. And how does that explain all the people who died or went missing from those invasions? Like Rose and Jackie. And if they don't remember the Stolen Earth events then how do they explain Adelaide Brooks since it was those events that inspired her to go to Mars in the first place?
the point is they still incorporated characters and storylines from old who so it couldn’t have been restarted.
Blame the time war, history got SCREWED by it!
I do love the master during the Tennant era, and their return as Missy was phenomenal too, and might even be my favourite incarnation. but I think bringing the master back in s12 and having him be evil again seems too soon. I think it would've been cooler to bring back another time lord, like the Rani or someone.
Daleks should never be permanently destroyed. And peri had a crap death, the fact she actually survived made me happy. As for bill, I agree she should have stayed cyber.
agreed
They nearly killed off all the Daleks multiple times. The first time being Evil of the Daleks
Also Mummy on the Orient Express was meant to be Clara's final trip in the Tardis. 12 wanted them to end on a high
Indeed. The Doctor says, as he looks out on a blazing Dalek city on Skaro:
"The final end."
And all because The Doctor had got a Dalek to ask:
"Why?"
I wish they'd animate 'The Evil Of The Daleks'. It's a superb, complex story, starting with the theft of the TARDIS, and a shop that sells suspiciously new genuine Victorian antiques, and has something weird in the cellar...
The kill the moon Clara leaving you return in part of her arc in the next episode to finish her arc properly in the finale?
I can't imagine the daleks ever being gone for good. I freaking love them!
It def does get annoying how the humans all just always "forget" about aliens (with one explanation or another and sometimes none) but I like it that most humans end up not knowing aliens exist.
I don't want to lose the Master forever either. DW isn't the only show to constantly do this with main villains though.
The 10th doctor was sort of the villain in water of Mars and to do the same in his finale wouldn’t really be a good idea. This is what make water of Mars unique. At the end he is also kinda snapped out of it by the woman he saved killing herself. This was idea purely for water Mars, continuing it make the doctor evil and not really the doctor. It’s a great thing to do for a single episode but for more of especially a finale wouldn’t really make a lot of sense.
>Doctor Who never recovered from the Tom Baker era
What? The last season of Tom Baker's saw a serious drop in ratings as the show was becoming very stale. Baker leaving and having a newer, younger and totally different Fifth Doctor actually brought it back. May not have hit the peaks of the 70's but it did rather well throughout the 20th anniversary season.
I think that if the colours on the paradigm daleks were muted to begin with like they were in asylum, people would have taken them more seriously.
In my opinion, I hated Face the Raven. Yes, Clara was getting increasingly reckless after Danny Pink died. But she puts her own life at risk for Rigsy, a guy she met in one episode earlier and has no personal connection to whatsoever, and she just waves it off like, “eh, we’ll figure it out later”? Sure, she was reckless, but she was definitely smarter than that. Bad writing. And Hell Bent is one of my favorite episodes. Especially Clara and Twelve playing the game of chance for who gets to keep their memories. Brilliant!
During the Pertwee era UNIT covered up alien activity so the general public weren't aware of it.
to be fair, i don't mind that they brought bill back. her death and turning into a cyberman all whilst waiting for the doctor was honestly HEARTBREAKING it wouldn't be nice if they kept that as her actual fate when all the other nuwho companions got semi happy endings. rose got to live on earth2 with the meta crisis doctor, micky and Martha got married, Jackie got to live with an alternate version of her late husband, donna got married and had a daughter and lived a normal life, amy and rory were able to live their lives together in the past, clara got to run away with Me. it wouldnt be fair if bill actually died like that
10-People would have thrown a fit if the Daleks had left the show for good. That said Victory of the Daleks could have handled it a lot better then handwaving the Meta Crises Doctor missing three of them in his genocide. Then again several Daleks managed to fall out of the time war during RTD's era with little to no explanation, so I guess that's just the norm for them.
9-The 2nd Doctor didn't forget his companions, his companions forgot him. You can thank the Time Lords for that one. As for the 2nd Doctor's three appearances after that, and Jamie's appearance in The Two Doctors that all falls under the mess that is season 6B. 6B itself being another result of poor writing creating plot holes.
8-10 went to far, and the people he tried to save freaked out at what he did and committed suicide because of his actions. That caused him to snap out of his darker mood. He even tearfully says to Wilfred in The End of Time that he went too far in reference to the ending of The Waters of Mars.
7-This one can go both ways. Yeah, one can question why the human race still doesn't know about aliens. It doesn't make sense some times. I feel that RTD tried to fix that some during his era, but Moffat reset it with the cracks in time. In the end I guess it all comes down to human ignorance.
6-I'm with you on this one. Jenna Coleman is a great actor, but the writers didn't know what to do with her during 12's first season. Resulting in an inconsistent personality that fluctuated between wanting to stay with the Doctor or leave him for good. Thankfully they dropped that in the next season.
5-Beacuse The Master has what TV Tropes calls Joker Immunity. They can die as much as they want, but their popularity will allow them to come back. That said they should back off on it a bit.
4-Yeah, this one was definitely a poorly done quick fix up for something the writers regretted doing.
3-Bill was a great character, but the end to her story with The Doctor was a horrible end to what was otherwise a great companion. It would have been a sad way to go out, but I would have been fine with it if she had stayed a Cyberman. The puddle woman showing back up out of the blue and magically restoring Bill was complete BS on Moffat's part. Unfortunately Moffat does not seem to know how to kill a character off and then keep them dead.
2-Like with number 3 Moffat does not know how to kill a character off and keep them dead. Which lead us to two and a half excellent episodes with Face the Raven and Heaven Sent as well as the first half of Hell Bent. I can however understand what The Doctor was trying to do in the second half of Hell Bent. He was going through the five stages of grief still and hit the bargaining stage in the second half of the episode. He became desperate, and was willing to try anything to once again make the rules of time bend to him just like in The Waters of Mars. Where it fell apart was when The Doctor lost his memories of Clara, and then she got her own Tardis and left on her own adventures. They should have let her return to her own death, but again Moffat can't keep the dead dead.
1-I hear there was talk about The Doctor becoming a woman all the way back during the casting for the 5th Doctor. While it would have been cool to have had a female Doctor well before 13 I am fine with the 5th and 7th Doctors that we got.
I actually can’t believe your still coming up with good content off 1 show like great job 👍
he is not
So the master reincarnating due to being a timelord is unbelievable. Yet the doctor doing the same is totally believable. Also if I'm not mistaken the Clara issue as he puts it of Clara returning to the doctor is answered in the episode of said leaf metaphor.
The Master was supposed to have run out of regenerations yet keeps coming back.
@@jordanherkowski5052 I mean the doctor is supposed to be out of regenerations as well. I mean it could be argued that as the doctor got a new cycle, why couldn't that be applied to the master
@@98nh3609 The problem is not the regenerations, the problem is, that the Master almost always shows up after events, that he's not supposed to survive, not even with regeneration. As an example (I know a very bad example, but still), comes Sacha Dhawan's Master, supposedly after Missy (well we don't know for sure, but it's still possible), but she was shot with Simm Master's laser screwdriver, which supressed her regenerating ability, seemingly killing her. There's nothing regeneration could do here, when the other Master blocked it. And that's not the only time the Master escaped a certain death.
It was a bad example as Dhawan's Master still can be between Saxon (Simm's Master) and Missy, we know that she comes after the ex-prime minister, but not if she comes DIRECTLY after him. But it's about such situations, that the Master always comes back, when not even his regeneration (or being a Time Lord in general) could save him.
The last time we see Saxon, is killing Rassilon, stepping into the gate with them. There's a whole Gallifrey and a mad man just electrocuting their Lord President, I doubt they would just let him go. But oh well the next time we meet Missy and she doesn't even suffer from the drums. So how did the Master escape Gallifrey after the murder/forced regeneration of Rassilon? Yes, apparently regenerated (supposedly into Missy, or someone else before her), but how exactly and what happened next after that? It's this, that makes you wonder. Not just "yea, he's a Time Lord, they do this thing, the Doctor does it too", but we mostly know when it happens to the Doctor, yet we don't know anything regarding the Master's survival. And it's hard to justify it by saying "yea, he regenerated. Period".
@@Croftice1 That makes sense. I guess I didn't understand the way it was worded in the video. Sounds like wibbly wobbly plot convenience Thank you for clarifying. Have a wonderful day.
I mean they sort of explained why humanity forgets it and they don't always forget.
Ex. In Dark Water there's a news report that calls back to a previous cybermen attack. Its unsure if this is related to the battle at Canary Warf or the 70's cybermen encounter but while humanity has forgotten the cyberking they didn't forget them entirely
The Doctor has actually asked Amy why she just forgot about the Daleks stealing earth and the 27 planets which was caused by the cracks in time.
And there's the monks where after they were defeated Bill claimed humanity can now stand up to its dictators until the doctor points out that the monks took all memory of them with them dooming humanity
You know what truly is the greatest thing the writers always chicken out? The doctor's consequences of his impulse to help people.
Almost every season there's at least one episode that shows the consequences of the doctor helping people robbing people of their death, redefining the meaning of doctor, yet immediately runs to check it out.
Ex: closing time the doctor notices a interference telling himself its just bad lighting nothing to investigate and accidentally became Craig's husband
Season 10 the doctor is immediately told about a puddle that looks wrong and RUNS TO CHECK IT, the doctor realizes the new human Colony is a death trap AND RUNS TO GO BLOW IT UP
Number 10, bringing the Daleks back after Journey's End without a good story (since) is one of the main reasons I'm not a fan of the Moffat era. While you could say the same about Evil of the Daleks and Day of the Daleks, and they could have made Genesis of the Daleks anyway, there were some good stories after Evil. The three Time War Daleks in Victory of the Daleks could have escaped The Parting of the Ways (hence why they weren't pure), and Journey's End IS the end of the Daleks, like Dalek Caan saw.
the master can be explain in another explanation
as the decayed master is his final incarnation and he forces himself to live even in this condition partly because he wills himself to live on
part of his timelord abilities (possibly)
this would of been better explained if they had said the timeless child was the master instead of the doctor
we would know what other abilities the child would of had but it would explain the insanity the master has
Extra moment the writers chickened out of: hiring me to write Doctor who and regenerate Peter Capaldi into Simon Farnaby! I promise you, the Timeless Child won't exist!
Oho. The use of The Doctor's second Incarnation in 'The Two Doctors' is because the writer, Robert Holmes, had forgotten which of The Doctor's incarnations did unwilling 'odd jobs' for The Time Lords (it was the third, whilst in exile, and a couple of times, the fourth). Since then, it has appeared in fiction, that, instead of just regenerating, The Doctor's Second incarnation was used for many years, possibly centuries, as an unwilling agent for The Time Lords - doing the sort of jobs for them where he gets the messy end of the stick. After every mission, his mind is wiped, and he's sent out yet again;(as shown in the short story 'Save Yourself', by Terrance Dicks, from the 2019 'Target Storybook), which is why he looks older - this incarnation, like his first, is 'wearing a bit thin'. A Time Lord interference mission, then, is how he and Jamie (also mind wiped by The Time Lords) are on Space Station Camera, to dissuade Dastari, Kartz and Reimer from their time travel experiments, not realising that it is a Sontaran trap.
The 2nd Doctor is one of the best incarnations of the Doctor, it's a shame that they didn't handle him well in returns.
Pearl Mackie has so much charisma and charm I love her as Bill
I can't agree that he Master's continued survival from death is a moment the writers chicken out of. All great villains die and then come back from the dead.
Superman even has a villian based around it
Moffat era = [Insert name as appropriate]'s death
Okay, I've heard a lot about The Master keep returning and you're right he does but it's not been absolutely confirmed that Sacha Dhawan comes after Missy's Incarnation, as John Simm's version says; "Don't even bother trying to Regenerate, you got the full blast."
There have been 9 on screen Masters... I know it would cause a misguided timeline similar to River Song but Sasha could come else where. All we've heard him tells Graham that he knew The Doctor when she was still a man which means he could even predate Derek Jacobi's version.
The classic master was a body hopper there’s also an active consciousness of him within the time Lord matrix
there are about 17 masters and the master came back because all his supressed goodness triggerd a new regeneration cycle and missy became the lumiat and past missy killed the lumiat and the lumiat became the spy master
@@thelonggame9583 Okay but that sounds like in the comics or audio adventures. I think these kinda chats only keep to what is on the small screen of TV.
@@Doctor_Odin Interesting. Maybe it's time they revisited that kinda dynamic for The Modern Master. Granted it would be nice if they'd bring back other classic villains like the Rani or the Valeyard.
For some reason; the Modern series just brings back the Master. :/
It's not even clear, if Missy comes directly after Simm's "ex-prime minister Saxon" Master, she is AFTER him, but could be the next, or the second, third and so on regeneration after Saxon, with Dhawan's "O" Master being inbetween. They had a dialogue about that, but it was a bit vague, didn't clearly say, that she comes DIRECTLY after him. It works for that episode as Simm's Master will eventually regenerate (and then maybe again, and again) into Missy, so she got that dematerialization circuit for him "from him", but it's not hard to believe that every regeneration that eventually happens after Saxon might keep that circuit on them until they become Missy and meet Saxon on board the Mondasian colony ship.
The 2nd Doctor never had his memories wiped, his companions did. Get your shit together!
Have you thought about making more Classic Who vids
Tbh i sorta want a mix of both but if were honest just too have this channel is amazing
ah yes so he can get even more stuff wrong
@@mxtthew_n like?
@@baileycrosby6543 'the second doctor lost memory of his companions'
he just didn't though
Can't kill off the Daleks. Terry Nation and his amazing copyright, yo
What about when they set the old man companion up as a bus driver going back to Rosa Park is time and not taking the role of the bad bus driver.
The guys wife even set it up in episode 1 asking him if he was the racist bus driver
The Daleks were originally killed oof in 1967 - Evil of The Daleks. They only came back in Day of the Daleks because the current production team forgot.
Keef Baker thy came back in Day of the Daleks because fans and BBC executives kept weighting to the production team asking why there where no Dalek in Doctor Who and saying that they should be brought back in-fact in a deleted bit of dialogue from Day the Daleks would have explained how they survived.
@@alexbennett7018 Cool! My understanding was incorrect.
I would’ve loved to see Tennant get even crazier than he did in Waters Of Mars. Crazy Tennant gud.