FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMENT SECTION: Many of you are writing about Wong Jack-man, but this clip is Wan Kam-leung talking about his master, the legendary Wong Shun-leung. Many Kung Fu people share the last/family name Wong, yes, but there is a huge difference between Shunleung, Jackman and Feihung. They have all the same last name but very different given/first names.
a good story about the teacher (Wong Shun Leung because, technically, Bruce Lee learned Wing Chun more with Wong than with Yip Man) and student (Bruce Lee). They are two of the best street fighters (or rooftop fighters) that ever lived.
I visited Master Wen Kan Leung on 2012/11/23 without appointment. I told him I learned a bit of LoManKam and William Cheung WC. I kindly showed me his thinking of correct stand and punch. He asked and I did punched his stomach as hard as I can 5 punches, he didn't feel anything. Then he punched me while I was holding a sand bag, I almost fly off the ground. He said use no power totally relax, then all pier upon impact. He is a wonderful SiFu.
That he could withstand your punch and the reason he has so much power in his own hands, is thanks to his Chow Gar training and not because of Wing Chun. Southern Praying Mantis made him a famous Wing Chun sifu.
There is a similar incident that is described in one of Jessie Glover's books. Bruce Lee describes to Glover that the other individual involved is Ip Man's assistant. Basically the same thing happened when Lee tried to kick him as well. BL was new to Wing Chun at this particular time. Lee had previously trained in Hung Gar. This particular assistant was never identified in the book, however, Wong Shun Leung's name is mentioned quite often in the book. It might be two different incidents sense it seems that the incidents occured at two different occasions.
IF Bruce lee and Jack Man Wong landed kicks or punches, not one of them would have had lived being they were both masters. Seeing Lee s amazing techniques, Bruce would have won because he was too fast for anyone! Still king of the arts - no one today cannot match his skills!
realy? kkkk you are mad or what? you thing Bruce lee can win a shaolin monk? see him punching bag and your will see he is not so faster, others videos have been edited to make people fulls...
@@mussazyzzfitness309 For ethical reasons, a shalin monk, as a human being, not sure to say whether it's cruel to get groin/balls kicked at once in split secs?!
I was about 1 year old & Bruce was not a movie star nor a legend during this time. He was honing his skills, he was reinventing himself .... He was not "Bruce Lee" just yet. He was gettting there .... this is how I see it, so if he won the fight,or lost the fight, to me it doesnt matter really.
Most westerners I come across, even many chinese don't appreciate the meaning of the term Sifu and how it relates to the " master~disciple" relationship. In fact sifu means more than father it also means master teacher. Like jdiddy I usually only take kung fu lessons from Chinese masters because to me it's more than just fighting. There's philosophical, historical and cultural elements which need to be preserved and passed on. This is what motivated Bruce Lee. In the Tao De JIng it says...
WSL was a fighter first and foremost. He wa never a "slave" to the art and thus it is natural that he used wider punches. I am pretty sure that there is a video on RUclips of him explaining it. Unless one is fighting someone with a very tight structure, Pak mei or bamboo mantis style for example, there is no need to be too tidy in your strikes. If Bruce was using big kicks, why would WSL be using tidy yat jic punches?
WSL taught Bruce after BL stopped prating with GM IP Man. They had a close friendship. They may of had a spar an exchange but not a real fight. I would say WSL was gifted at Wing Chun and Bruce was talented all-round.
@XuZhangWang Maybe he knew Bruce would be expecting the straight punch so he mixed it up with hooks and crosses. Wong Shun Leung was a boxer before he learnt WC afterall.
@kr8dle Actually a Kung Fu magazine in the mid eighties stated that Bruce had a match with a Northern Mantis Stylist and had to chase him down to eventually win the match. Bruce felt his Foot work was not good enough and incorporated other styles and theories, which led to JKD. If anyone has any articles on this please forward. Thnx
Yes Bruce did openly challenge anyone in the bay area & I did read Showdown in Oakland which is supposed to become a movie soon I hear.Mr Jack Man regrets to this day having gone down there to fight him.The only one who says the fight was a draw is Wong Jack Man.According to Mr Wing there were 14 people present at the fight.Most were Probably Lee's students .The rest were Wong & the elders who accompanied him.In a rare interview that WJM did for kung fu mag back in the 80's he addmitted that
It should say "One of the best" not "The best", because David Cheung recieved a personal stroke from Wong Shun Leung signifying his hope and trust in David's Wing Chun ability to further the future of Wing Chun. That's more than enough of a solid recommendation of "Best" from Wong himself. However lets be lenient to all parties, Wan Kam and David are both "one of the best" until we actually prove it. (even though the stroke is proof still)
I entered in Wong Jack Man's name just to see if he had any videos on YT. Some viewers might've been confused by this video. He is talking about Wong Shun Leung not WJM. It is stated in one of Jesse Glover's books that Bruce Lee commented that "the old master was holding out on him". That Wing Chun has a method of "tying up the legs". A discovery that perhaps occurred while Lee attempted to kick Yip Man during chi sao.
Ip didn't hold anything back, he simply wasn't there long enough and missed many classes. Only a few students were taught 'legs'. It came after knife and pole. There are probably more, but I know of only two who were taught the complete system with legs, by Ip Man. Chow Tze Chuen and his private student, Duncan Leung. This not only included the tripodal sets [with three hights] but the Moifa as well. CTZ was in Wingchun Illustrated a couple months ago in an article about Moifa and in the picture [1950's] to his right is Duncan.By looking at his lineage chart, even William Cheung was unaware of the completeness of Ips leg training.Also, Bruce was only taught SLT, a few drills and about half the Wooden Man before his Sihings had him booted for being a 'lo-lan', not PURE Chinese. Ip had WSL and William teach him secretly until he soon left.
This is wrong. Lee had two teachers in Hong Kong prior to leaving for the states, Yip Man gained popularity because of the event that Lee held for him when he went back to Hong Kong for a visit. When Lee died, the media hounded for information, and the legend of Wing Chun was born. Lee was very fluent in Mantis, which is why he specifically chose the style for one of the guardians in his GAME, but was never filmed due to his death. Had Lee completed GAME, Wing Chun would NOT have been as popular as it is today, because Lee studied many systems, not just Wing Chun.
When Lee was younger, it was Wing Chun vs Choy Li Fut in Hong Kong on the rooftops, and Wing Chun didn't necessarily fair too well. It was Lee who brought worldwide attention to Wing Chun, but Lee didn't teach Wing Chun when he came to the states, he taught Chinese Gung Fu, a compilation of systems that he was taught, including Wing Chun. This Wing Chun as the basis of JKD stuff was emphasized afterward because of Golden Harvest and the media. His original students like Inosanto were taught Mantis, as is evident when Dan uses it against him as the Mantis fighter in the Green Hornet. Like everything and everyone else, people used Lee's name to cash in on him, and this shamelessly includes the Wing Chun advocates.
@Malchek73 You have completely misunderstood what Sifu Wan was saying. He said, " My master was a great martial art master too ", which means he thought Bruce Lee was a great martial art master. He also complimented Bruce's kicks saying they were really beautiful and really fast, then went on to say he was a very good actor. What part of that is disrespecting Bruce Lee's memory?
@fierynox sure some people only focus on the more "dirty" techniques & tactics but i really doubt every serious martial artist will end up killing someone in a bar fight. I practice traditional MA so don't pull that card. Also old kungfu masters that touched hands would gladly own you without killing you. I'm sure Ip Man and countless others didn't kill people to get students. Competition is fine as long as ppl realize theres more to the art than just the ring.
I know this is what people generally believe, but it is untrue. I was a student of Wong Sifu's and I am Caucasian. Among his other Caucasian students were Peter Ralston who was the first westerner to win a kung fu championship in China. Wong Jack Man himself said, "Even Bruce Lee never said these things." It would seem to have originated from Linda Lee. A new book called, "Showdown in Oakland: The Story Behind the Wong Jack Man-Bruce Lee Fight," turns the history behind this event upside down.
If he really beat Bruce why didn't they make a big issue or challenge him again when he was alive??? It's just like a mayweather vs pacquoi, you say Bruce lee greatest fighter that ever lived, u say Wong jack man, a dude that said he beat Bruce lee, his fame kinda riding on Bruce dead dik
part of the reason for the fight was the teaching of non- chinese but that wasn't the only reason why they were there.Yes his open challenge was part of the reason & also Bruce needed permission to teach from the chinese elders so the stakes were if he lost he had to close the school down & stop teaching anyone not chinese.No one who was with Wong that day has ever come forward to back his claim that the fight was a draw.Wong also doesnt speak of the matter anymore.Mr Wing seems to think that
@fierynox You got to understand MMA COMPETITION is a SPORT and such people are looking to gain points however they can so certain things they do don't pertain to self defense. As far as missing something. I didn't. Sure you train with all these "illegal" elements but at the end of the day you don't have to gouge out a guys eye or kill a man every time your skills come out. And anybody who is alive who challenged a TMA master and lost is proof of that.
kracksmith4ejm1 yes yip man called him the LOGIC behind wing chun wong also taugh bruce most of lee's WC was to him by wong and william cheung not yip man.
That alone would wear you out.Bruce would train like a mad man for the rest of his life after this as we all know.As for Mr WJM in that interview he did for Kung Fu Mag he admitted that he EVENTUALLY begant teaching NON -CHINESE because times were changing & you gotta make a living.Bruce was right.Showdown in Oakland will probably be interesting but biased in WJM"s favor.I think there fight being part of Lee's legend nags at WJM that he probably feels he was suckered into going to fight him.
probably seeing as hes died undefeated,but Bruce was a genius,but i dont get this video what is he saying that bruce and wong had a full on fight,wouldnt one of them be seriously injured?thanks for the reply, thank god youre not one of those wing chun haters,who complain its ineffective.
So you know Bruce sent her outside because.....& I believe you mean James Lee.I remember that interview WJM did for that mag & I remember what he said.Race was not the whole reason but it was part of it & according to that interview he didnt have caucasion students till yrs later.Personally my take on the fight is that while they were standing they were probably even.WJM said he was back peddling & landed several back fists to the charging Lee's head.Linda say's he was litterally running around.
+Anton Simpkins Right. Grandmaster William Cheung and Bruce hung out together and got into fights. He could tell you a lot more about Bruce than anyone else.
Bad mouthing a dead man that grew up in fighting street fights is disrepectful. How many of you have been in street fights. I bet very few. And fewer have lived fighting many. Bruce wasn't perfect bit he did the best he could to do so. How many talk shot of a dead man must make some proud.
Crazy how Chinese whispers get out of control 🤦🏻 Master wong was ip man’s senior student and a proper fighter he was nicknamed the man with the talking fists Ip man designated wong to teach B L Bruce was a baby compared to WSL Most students and teachers thought B L was very arrogant that’s how the young Chinese tv star came across but wong said he was quite charismatic once you got to know him But definitely no match for wong at that time if ever Bruce only studied W C for 3 yrs so didn’t master the whole system before his dad sent him to America You can see so much WC in jkd I believe if Bruce had studied WC to master level with his jkd He would have been insane RIP GM. B L & GM. WSL 🙏🏻
I dont want to be a smarta..., but i dont get it why ppl still write the name as "Wong Shun Leung" in 2021. This was the way the name was written 50 or 100 years ago, but not today anymore. Its either in kantonese Wong Shun-leung or Wong Shunleung, or in mandarin Huang Chunliang. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wong_Shun-leung The Yale romanization has been overtaken by Hanyu Pinyin, which is more evolved and better understandable for western people. In chinese and korean the names basically consist of 3 single symbols, and they are written together without a space between them. If you translate them word to word it would be: WongShunLeung But this is not common in the west. But even Wong Shun Leung can be confusing since many ppl with think Shun is a middle name (like John Fitzgerald Kennedy), and the given name would only by Leung. Wong Shun-leung or Huang Chunliang shows clearly the 2 names Shun/Chun and Leung/Liang belong together which they do. Other examples: Wan Kam-leung Wong Fei-hung or Huang Feihong Mao Zedong Chiang Kai-shek etc. Not important but maybe interesting for some people. But great vid. Thx! :-) PS: Check out the subtitles of the video. There they do it right: Wong Shun-leung and Wan Kam-leung
"the way is there for all to see yet no one follows" Gong fu or wushu follows the way of nature and it's laws and principles. Where you come from on this planet makes no difference. The principles are the same. No one race can have claim over them. Having said that, each race will express the principles differently adding their own flavour. If we choose to follow the chinese way we should respect the heritage and pass it on. Part of that includes the associated words including the term sifu.
Bruce used to preach to anyone who would listen that most fights end up on the ground & I bet thats what happened here.Bruce probably grabbed him to stop his movement & they ended up on the ground like 2 kids on a school yard with Bruce on top pounding him.Today they call that Ground & Pound.I think Mr WJM has been bitter ever since.He probably feels he was winning until he went to the ground.Too Bad.
@gorfjorf2112112 are you real, people dont have to practice the full form of wing chun to be classed as wing chun, some MMA like PJ Ben uses wing chun in their striking.
Linda Lee has made up the story that we have heard for so many yrs or so it seems to me.But no one has ever come forward to say I was there & it didnt happen that way.Now Wing gets WJM to talk to him & he takes his word as gospel.Also Bruce was winded after only 3 minutes because he was under alot of stress.Not because he was out of shape.Think about it 24 yrs old with a pregnant wife & these guys show up with an ultimatum to close your school if you lose this fight.Pretty stressfull to me.
Perhaps Linda's story was simply what Bruce's intepretation of what the affair was all about, and she believed his intepretation. Bruce was probably reading a motive behind the challenge that wasn't really that crucial to the matter. So I wouldn't be so hasty as to call Linda a liar. She believed what Bruce told her. And the error probably came from Bruce reading too much into it. He was young, and cocky, and he talked a lot, as if he were a seasoned vet. And that really annoyed the elders. lol
@@Billy-Mandalay yeah but Bruce was a little baddass & he wasn't going to back down from these guys once they showed up at his school. So he was under a lot of stress & he probably wasn't as in shape as he thought. I think he really became obsessed with conditioning after this fiasco.
Ok I know you must mean Bruce Lee & not James Lee who was there that day.James is a friend of Lee's so I don't know who this George Lee is you keep mentioning.You know if Bruce wasn't considered The Greatest Martial Artist of All Time you & I would not be having this discussion.Wong should be proud he fought him & yes Wong does not like to speak of this one event in his life but every now & then someone like Wing show's up to awaken old demons.Just leave the old man alone.
@MrChumFm bruce lee only knows two forms.i know there is 3 forms who is criticizing??i love this art i kno wing chun my self..bruce lee is the one u should be pissed at he disresepcted ip man.dont be stupid learn ur history before tryn to insult..
No, I mean James Lee. James lived in Oakland with his wife and kids, and was a respected martial artist in the Bay Area. He had a wide circle of martial arts friends and acquaintances, some of whom also knew WJM. George Lee was one of JL's acquaintances and got to know Bruce through James.. George wrote a book called Regards from the Dragon (2008). In 1964 in the Bay Area, the martial arts community wasn't all that large, so a lot of martial artists knew each other.
@MuayThaiViking Okay, I'd just never call my MA instructor, "Father". It's just not my culture and I have no right to pretend that I'm continuing someone ELSE'S culture. A respectable "Sifu"(or, Shifu) would be an older Chinese man that knows herbs, bone setting and healing, as well as a gungfu system. Someone to look up to and worthy of the TITLE. Anyone using the title to describe themselves is probably unworthy. But that's just me, you are free to call anyone 'sifu that you please.
Linda Lee was just telling the story that Bruce had told her. Although she was there that day, she did not witness the fight because Bruce told her to go outside where she hung out with George Lee while the fight occurred. WJM did come forward to dispute Bruce's version of the fight in the local Chinese paper weeks later.
According to eyewitnesses interviewed by Wing, WJM stumbled going backwards once and fell (due to uneven flooring). But there is no mention by anybody that the fight ended up on the ground, nor that Bruce was pounding WJM on the head from behind.
humm....by Bruce's admittance, he was bruised up bad in the face by Wong. Heard the story how Bruce got early at school, to tell other classmate the classes were canceled, so he would get private sessions for free...Wong whooped his ass when he found out.
brucee lee disrespected his sifu yip man, bruce lee only new two form,thats why he invented jeet kune do.. to be his own master.bruce lee dose not know all the forms two wing chun!!!
Nope. Rick interviewed all living eyewitnesses and they all said Bruce did not defeat WJM. They said it was fairly even. They were both young (early 20s) and a little cocky. That interview WJM did was for Official Karate (1980).
I always heard about the fight between bruce and wong I'm sure it was a close fight but lets be real at the time this happened bruce wasn't even that good, so if wong won I wouldn't have been surprised but after the fight how ever win or lose bruce had reinvented himself put wong against the enter the dragon bruce lee at the level and conditioning he was at nothing againt wong he would have lost I have talking karate for over twenty years technique is not enough you have to have conditioning
The fight with Wong Jack Man took place in 1964. Wong Jack Man also taught non-Chinese. The fight had nothing to do with race. Bruce had given a demo in San Francisco in which he said he could defeat anyone in the bay area. Wong Jack Man took up the challenge. The fight was considered a draw by eyewitnesses. This is what motivated Bruce to train like a mad man. He wouldn't have been that motivated had he won easily in three minutes. Read, Showdown in Oakland by Rick Wing.
@jayism65 Look up Bruce Lee vs Wong Jack Man.This is the fight that made Bruce take a real good look at his art.Elders in the chinese community were against Bruce teaching non-chinese so they sent him a challenge.Wong Jack Man was the Master who challenged him.The fight took place in Oakland back in 1965.If Bruce lost he had to close his school.He WON but was not happy with his performance.He then became obsessed with training & learning from other arts until the day he died.
The WIng CHun was in Si Lam Mt Tai Monastery and Bruce wanted to study there but couldnt get ref! only a handlfull of WHite Guys attended, and it trained maim and kill and regeneration not a sport but a pure survival against the dynasty's armies. Yip was first non doctor to teach and was amazing and never lost to any style EVER! TIMING IS EVERYTHING! and with massive power behind timing it is non stoppable! Bruce realized it when my SIFU's Dr Chan and Dr CHu told us and why he adopted weight training and dynamic tension to build his power as a small chinaman to fight big white GUYS! Bruse we owe a lot to ! as well the YipMan and the great true Grand MAster of Martial Arts of the 1500-1900 of China Elite few. NOW if we evolve the mastership of ChiGUng then no fight will ever happen! complete energy control as the last step of Gods great lesson!
Ok so who is Erika Mailman & again I think you mean James Lee not George.Maybe there where schools around with non-Chinese students but Wong wasn't teaching whites for yrs.These witnesses that Wing interviewed are probably Wong's buddies who went with him that day & they aren't going to say there man lost.What a bitter guy.All these yrs later & that one event in his life has consumed him.Sounds like a troubled old man to me.
@MuayThaiViking Drop the emotionally weak 'racist' term. If you want to call your white instructor 'sifu', then fine(weird, but fine), but for him to call HIMSELF by that name would be either laughable, or simply pathetic. There are very, very few real Sifus left. The whole CONCEPT belongs 100% to Chinese culture.
Erika Mailman is a freelance writer, and no, I mean George Lee. The witnesses were not Wong's "buddies", but mutual acquaintances of both James Lee and WJM. That one event hasn't "consumed him" nor is he "bitter" (amazing how you just make up shit), as he never spoke about it very much for years, and only now at Wing's insistence. You should really read Wing's book. But I guess it's just easier to believe the version told by Saint Bruce, rather than all the actual eyewitnesses.
Race was not even part of the reason. It had NOTHING to do with the challenge. That's something Bruce made up. WJM himself actually had two Caucasian students, so obviously teaching non-Chinese wasn't the reason. It was because Bruce boasted at a demo that he could defeat any martial artist in the bay area. WJM heard this through a student and took up the challenge.
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wow imagine that Bruce vs Wong,what an amazing fight,two incredible legends,RIP
FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMENT SECTION: Many of you are writing about Wong Jack-man, but this clip is Wan Kam-leung talking about his master, the legendary Wong Shun-leung. Many Kung Fu people share the last/family name Wong, yes, but there is a huge difference between Shunleung, Jackman and Feihung. They have all the same last name but very different given/first names.
a good story about the teacher (Wong Shun Leung because, technically, Bruce Lee learned Wing Chun more with Wong than with Yip Man) and student (Bruce Lee). They are two of the best street fighters (or rooftop fighters) that ever lived.
Thank you VERY MUCH for the upload!
I visited Master Wen Kan Leung on 2012/11/23 without appointment. I told him I learned a bit of LoManKam and William Cheung WC. I kindly showed me his thinking of correct stand and punch. He asked and I did punched his stomach as hard as I can 5 punches, he didn't feel anything. Then he punched me while I was holding a sand bag, I almost fly off the ground. He said use no power totally relax, then all pier upon impact. He is a wonderful SiFu.
That he could withstand your punch and the reason he has so much power in his own hands, is thanks to his Chow Gar training and not because of Wing Chun. Southern Praying Mantis made him a famous Wing Chun sifu.
what this guy is saying is bruce handled the great wong shuen lueng comfortably
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maybe so
There is a similar incident that is described in one of Jessie Glover's books. Bruce Lee describes to Glover that the other individual involved is Ip Man's assistant. Basically the same thing happened when Lee tried to kick him as well. BL was new to Wing Chun at this particular time. Lee had previously trained in Hung Gar. This particular assistant was never identified in the book, however, Wong Shun Leung's name is mentioned quite often in the book. It might be two different incidents sense it seems that the incidents occured at two different occasions.
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IF Bruce lee and Jack Man Wong landed kicks or punches, not one of them would have had lived being they were both masters. Seeing Lee s amazing techniques, Bruce would have won because he was too fast for anyone! Still king of the arts - no one today cannot match his skills!
Some said Bruce Lee lose, some said draw, and i saw WJM student said they never fight each other.
realy? kkkk you are mad or what? you thing Bruce lee can win a shaolin monk? see him punching bag and your will see he is not so faster, others videos have been edited to make people fulls...
@@mussazyzzfitness309 For ethical reasons, a shalin monk, as a human being, not sure to say whether it's cruel to get groin/balls kicked at once in split secs?!
@@danielfong4768 thets the lie thet Bruce loose
@@mussazyzzfitness309 😂😂😂 of course Bruce win it whitout any doubt. Thats the true story
They should make this more blurry so we can't read it 😔
We call it "ufo camera".
Sifu Wan is one the best wing chun instructor.
Awesome! :)
Just because they knew master Bruce Lee they get to be famous also unbelievable
Very interesting 🤔🧐 video of the time 😂🎉😢❤😂❤🎉😢😮😅😅😊😅😊😊
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I mean totally relax, then flow the punch and release all power upon impact. Very important tip in WC. Thanks WKL SiFu.
When people talk about GM Lee's kick it's like they saw a ghost.
I was about 1 year old & Bruce was not a movie star nor a legend during this time. He was honing his skills, he was reinventing himself .... He was not "Bruce Lee" just yet. He was gettting there .... this is how I see it, so if he won the fight,or lost the fight, to me it doesnt matter really.
is there a video of the Bruce Lee vs Wong Jack Man u are talking about?
Most westerners I come across, even many chinese don't appreciate the meaning of the term Sifu and how it relates to the " master~disciple" relationship. In fact sifu means more than father it also means master teacher. Like jdiddy I usually only take kung fu lessons from Chinese masters because to me it's more than just fighting. There's philosophical, historical and cultural elements which need to be preserved and passed on. This is what motivated Bruce Lee. In the Tao De JIng it says...
WSL was a fighter first and foremost. He wa never a "slave" to the art and thus it is natural that he used wider punches. I am pretty sure that there is a video on RUclips of him explaining it.
Unless one is fighting someone with a very tight structure, Pak mei or bamboo mantis style for example, there is no need to be too tidy in your strikes.
If Bruce was using big kicks, why would WSL be using tidy yat jic punches?
WSL taught Bruce after BL stopped prating with GM IP Man. They had a close friendship. They may of had a spar an exchange but not a real fight. I would say WSL was gifted at Wing Chun and Bruce was talented all-round.
Bruce winer 👑👑👑👑👑
Bruce Lee Won the sparring session in Matthew Polly's book Bruce lee page 396 Wan Kam Leung said 'Bruce Won the match'. Fun Fact!
@XuZhangWang Maybe he knew Bruce would be expecting the straight punch so he mixed it up with hooks and crosses. Wong Shun Leung was a boxer before he learnt WC afterall.
Good to know.
@kr8dle Actually a Kung Fu magazine in the mid eighties stated that Bruce had a match with a Northern Mantis Stylist and had to chase him down to eventually win the match. Bruce felt his Foot work was not good enough and incorporated other styles and theories, which led to JKD. If anyone has any articles on this please forward. Thnx
Yes Bruce did openly challenge anyone in the bay area & I did read Showdown in Oakland which is supposed to become a movie soon I hear.Mr Jack Man regrets to this day having gone down there to fight him.The only one who says the fight was a draw is Wong Jack Man.According to Mr Wing there were 14 people present at the fight.Most were Probably Lee's students .The rest were Wong & the elders who accompanied him.In a rare interview that WJM did for kung fu mag back in the 80's he addmitted that
It should say "One of the best" not "The best", because David Cheung recieved a personal stroke from Wong Shun Leung signifying his hope and trust in David's Wing Chun ability to further the future of Wing Chun. That's more than enough of a solid recommendation of "Best" from Wong himself. However lets be lenient to all parties, Wan Kam and David are both "one of the best" until we actually prove it. (even though the stroke is proof still)
i know but the clip is not made by me.
But still good interview
I entered in Wong Jack Man's name just to see if he had any videos on YT. Some viewers might've been confused by this video. He is talking about Wong Shun Leung not WJM. It is stated in one of Jesse Glover's books that Bruce Lee commented that "the old master was holding out on him". That Wing Chun has a method of "tying up the legs". A discovery that perhaps occurred while Lee attempted to kick Yip Man during chi sao.
Ip didn't hold anything back, he simply wasn't there long enough and missed many classes. Only a few students were taught 'legs'. It came after knife and pole. There are probably more, but I know of only two who were taught the complete system with legs, by Ip Man. Chow Tze Chuen and his private student, Duncan Leung. This not only included the tripodal sets [with three hights] but the Moifa as well. CTZ was in Wingchun Illustrated a couple months ago in an article about Moifa and in the picture [1950's] to his right is Duncan.By looking at his lineage chart, even William Cheung was unaware of the completeness of Ips leg training.Also, Bruce was only taught SLT, a few drills and about half the Wooden Man before his Sihings had him booted for being a 'lo-lan', not PURE Chinese. Ip had WSL and William teach him secretly until he soon left.
This is wrong. Lee had two teachers in Hong Kong prior to leaving for the states, Yip Man gained popularity because of the event that Lee held for him when he went back to Hong Kong for a visit. When Lee died, the media hounded for information, and the legend of Wing Chun was born. Lee was very fluent in Mantis, which is why he specifically chose the style for one of the guardians in his GAME, but was never filmed due to his death. Had Lee completed GAME, Wing Chun would NOT have been as popular as it is today, because Lee studied many systems, not just Wing Chun.
Also, William Chueng already explained why "the old man" did not teach Lee the full system. Even Chueng, to this day, feels horrible about it.
When Lee was younger, it was Wing Chun vs Choy Li Fut in Hong Kong on the rooftops, and Wing Chun didn't necessarily fair too well. It was Lee who brought worldwide attention to Wing Chun, but Lee didn't teach Wing Chun when he came to the states, he taught Chinese Gung Fu, a compilation of systems that he was taught, including Wing Chun. This Wing Chun as the basis of JKD stuff was emphasized afterward because of Golden Harvest and the media. His original students like Inosanto were taught Mantis, as is evident when Dan uses it against him as the Mantis fighter in the Green Hornet. Like everything and everyone else, people used Lee's name to cash in on him, and this shamelessly includes the Wing Chun advocates.
bull all wing tsun it's evident
@Malchek73 You have completely misunderstood what Sifu Wan was saying. He said, " My master was a great martial art master too ", which means he thought Bruce Lee was a great martial art master. He also complimented Bruce's kicks saying they were really beautiful and really fast, then went on to say he was a very good actor. What part of that is disrespecting Bruce Lee's memory?
@fierynox sure some people only focus on the more "dirty" techniques & tactics but i really doubt every serious martial artist will end up killing someone in a bar fight. I practice traditional MA so don't pull that card. Also old kungfu masters that touched hands would gladly own you without killing you. I'm sure Ip Man and countless others didn't kill people to get students. Competition is fine as long as ppl realize theres more to the art than just the ring.
I know this is what people generally believe, but it is untrue. I was a student of Wong Sifu's and I am Caucasian. Among his other Caucasian students were Peter Ralston who was the first westerner to win a kung fu championship in China. Wong Jack Man himself said, "Even Bruce Lee never said these things." It would seem to have originated from Linda Lee. A new book called, "Showdown in Oakland: The Story Behind the Wong Jack Man-Bruce Lee Fight," turns the history behind this event upside down.
And you know that how?
@MuayThaiViking Loads of coaches around but not so many real sifu's anymore sadly.
If he really beat Bruce why didn't they make a big issue or challenge him again when he was alive??? It's just like a mayweather vs pacquoi, you say Bruce lee greatest fighter that ever lived, u say Wong jack man, a dude that said he beat Bruce lee, his fame kinda riding on Bruce dead dik
@GabbysMyKittyRawr
Shi(-) Fu(/) (师父) in Mandarin. Si(-) Fu(/) (also 师父) in Cantonese.
@RichhhR
（Or 师傅）
part of the reason for the fight was the teaching of non- chinese but that wasn't the only reason why they were there.Yes his open challenge was part of the reason & also Bruce needed permission to teach from the chinese elders so the stakes were if he lost he had to close the school down & stop teaching anyone not chinese.No one who was with Wong that day has ever come forward to back his claim that the fight was a draw.Wong also doesnt speak of the matter anymore.Mr Wing seems to think that
@fierynox You got to understand MMA COMPETITION is a SPORT and such people are looking to gain points however they can so certain things they do don't pertain to self defense. As far as missing something. I didn't. Sure you train with all these "illegal" elements but at the end of the day you don't have to gouge out a guys eye or kill a man every time your skills come out. And anybody who is alive who challenged a TMA master and lost is proof of that.
in 0:06 they say he is the best of Wongs students, .. how can they judge that ?
who is wong shun leung? came from yip man?
kracksmith4ejm1 yes yip man called him the LOGIC behind wing chun wong also taugh bruce most of lee's WC was to him by wong and william cheung not yip man.
That alone would wear you out.Bruce would train like a mad man for the rest of his life after this as we all know.As for Mr WJM in that interview he did for Kung Fu Mag he admitted that he EVENTUALLY begant teaching NON -CHINESE because times were changing & you gotta make a living.Bruce was right.Showdown in Oakland will probably be interesting but biased in WJM"s favor.I think there fight being part of Lee's legend nags at WJM that he probably feels he was suckered into going to fight him.
Bruce Lee bring wing Chun famous the world
probably seeing as hes died undefeated,but Bruce was a genius,but i dont get this video what is he saying that bruce and wong had a full on fight,wouldnt one of them be seriously injured?thanks for the reply, thank god youre not one of those wing chun haters,who complain its ineffective.
So you know Bruce sent her outside because.....& I believe you mean James Lee.I remember that interview WJM did for that mag & I remember what he said.Race was not the whole reason but it was part of it & according to that interview he didnt have caucasion students till yrs later.Personally my take on the fight is that while they were standing they were probably even.WJM said he was back peddling & landed several back fists to the charging Lee's head.Linda say's he was litterally running around.
Ask Duncan or WilliamCheung.
+Anton Simpkins Right. Grandmaster William Cheung and Bruce hung out together and got into fights. He could tell you a lot more about Bruce than anyone else.
Bad mouthing a dead man that grew up in fighting street fights is disrepectful. How many of you have been in street fights. I bet very few. And fewer have lived fighting many. Bruce wasn't perfect bit he did the best he could to do so. How many talk shot of a dead man must make some proud.
Crazy how Chinese whispers get out of control 🤦🏻
Master wong was ip man’s senior student and a proper fighter he was nicknamed the man with the talking fists
Ip man designated wong to teach B L
Bruce was a baby compared to WSL
Most students and teachers thought B L was very arrogant that’s how the young Chinese tv star came across but wong said he was quite charismatic once you got to know him
But definitely no match for wong at that time if ever
Bruce only studied W C for
3 yrs so didn’t master the whole system before his dad sent him to America
You can see so much WC in jkd
I believe if Bruce had studied WC to master level with his jkd
He would have been insane
RIP
GM. B L & GM. WSL
🙏🏻
I dont want to be a smarta..., but i dont get it why ppl still write the name as "Wong Shun Leung" in 2021.
This was the way the name was written 50 or 100 years ago, but not today anymore.
Its either in kantonese Wong Shun-leung or Wong Shunleung, or in mandarin Huang Chunliang.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wong_Shun-leung
The Yale romanization has been overtaken by Hanyu Pinyin, which is more evolved and better understandable for western people.
In chinese and korean the names basically consist of 3 single symbols, and they are written together without a space between them. If you translate them word to word it would be:
WongShunLeung
But this is not common in the west. But even Wong Shun Leung can be confusing since many ppl with think Shun is a middle name (like John Fitzgerald Kennedy), and the given name would only by Leung.
Wong Shun-leung or Huang Chunliang shows clearly the 2 names Shun/Chun and Leung/Liang belong together which they do. Other examples:
Wan Kam-leung
Wong Fei-hung or Huang Feihong
Mao Zedong
Chiang Kai-shek
etc.
Not important but maybe interesting for some people.
But great vid. Thx! :-)
PS: Check out the subtitles of the video. There they do it right:
Wong Shun-leung and Wan Kam-leung
"the way is there for all to see yet no one follows" Gong fu or wushu follows the way of nature and it's laws and principles. Where you come from on this planet makes no difference. The principles are the same. No one race can have claim over them. Having said that, each race will express the principles differently adding their own flavour. If we choose to follow the chinese way we should respect the heritage and pass it on. Part of that includes the associated words including the term sifu.
Bruce used to preach to anyone who would listen that most fights end up on the ground & I bet thats what happened here.Bruce probably grabbed him to stop his movement & they ended up on the ground like 2 kids on a school yard with Bruce on top pounding him.Today they call that Ground & Pound.I think Mr WJM has been bitter ever since.He probably feels he was winning until he went to the ground.Too Bad.
要學詠春，只有溫鑑良
@gorfjorf2112112 are you real, people dont have to practice the full form of wing chun to be classed as wing chun, some MMA like PJ Ben uses wing chun in their striking.
Linda Lee has made up the story that we have heard for so many yrs or so it seems to me.But no one has ever come forward to say I was there & it didnt happen that way.Now Wing gets WJM to talk to him & he takes his word as gospel.Also Bruce was winded after only 3 minutes because he was under alot of stress.Not because he was out of shape.Think about it 24 yrs old with a pregnant wife & these guys show up with an ultimatum to close your school if you lose this fight.Pretty stressfull to me.
Perhaps Linda's story was simply what Bruce's intepretation of what the affair was all about, and she believed his intepretation.
Bruce was probably reading a motive behind the challenge that wasn't really that crucial to the matter.
So I wouldn't be so hasty as to call Linda a liar. She believed what Bruce told her. And the error probably came from Bruce reading too much into it.
He was young, and cocky, and he talked a lot, as if he were a
seasoned vet. And that really annoyed the elders. lol
@@Billy-Mandalay yeah but Bruce was a little baddass & he wasn't going to back down from these guys once they showed up at his school. So he was under a lot of stress & he probably wasn't as in shape as he thought. I think he really became obsessed with conditioning after this fiasco.
Ok I know you must mean Bruce Lee & not James Lee who was there that day.James is a friend of Lee's so I don't know who this George Lee is you keep mentioning.You know if Bruce wasn't considered The Greatest Martial Artist of All Time you & I would not be having this discussion.Wong should be proud he fought him & yes Wong does not like to speak of this one event in his life but every now & then someone like Wing show's up to awaken old demons.Just leave the old man alone.
@MrChumFm bruce lee only knows two forms.i know there is 3 forms who is criticizing??i love this art i kno wing chun my self..bruce lee is the one u should be pissed at he disresepcted ip man.dont be stupid learn ur history before tryn to insult..
No, I mean James Lee. James lived in Oakland with his wife and kids, and was a respected martial artist in the Bay Area. He had a wide circle of martial arts friends and acquaintances, some of whom also knew WJM. George Lee was one of JL's acquaintances and got to know Bruce through James.. George wrote a book called Regards from the Dragon (2008). In 1964 in the Bay Area, the martial arts community wasn't all that large, so a lot of martial artists knew each other.
respect to the dead.leave Bruce alone.nobody cares what u people assume.
@MuayThaiViking
Okay, I'd just never call my MA instructor, "Father". It's just not my culture and I have no right to pretend that I'm continuing someone ELSE'S culture.
A respectable "Sifu"(or, Shifu) would be an older Chinese man that knows herbs, bone setting and healing, as well as a gungfu system.
Someone to look up to and worthy of the TITLE.
Anyone using the title to describe themselves is probably unworthy.
But that's just me, you are free to call anyone 'sifu that you please.
Bs
easy to talk about the dead...
Linda Lee was just telling the story that Bruce had told her. Although she was there that day, she did not witness the fight because Bruce told her to go outside where she hung out with George Lee while the fight occurred.
WJM did come forward to dispute Bruce's version of the fight in the local Chinese paper weeks later.
According to eyewitnesses interviewed by Wing, WJM stumbled going backwards once and fell (due to uneven flooring). But there is no mention by anybody that the fight ended up on the ground, nor that Bruce was pounding WJM on the head from behind.
humm....by Bruce's admittance, he was bruised up bad in the face by Wong.
Heard the story how Bruce got early at school, to tell other classmate the classes were canceled, so he would get private sessions for free...Wong whooped his ass when he found out.
brucee lee disrespected his sifu yip man, bruce lee only new two form,thats why he invented jeet kune do.. to be his own master.bruce lee dose not know all the forms two wing chun!!!
It would have been nice to see how good Yip Man could have been if he had learned the entire Wing Chun system.
Nope. Rick interviewed all living eyewitnesses and they all said Bruce did not defeat WJM. They said it was fairly even. They were both young (early 20s) and a little cocky. That interview WJM did was for Official Karate (1980).
True lie, watch the real story of Wong Jack Man.
I always heard about the fight between bruce and wong I'm sure it was a close fight but lets be real at the time this happened bruce wasn't even that good, so if wong won I wouldn't have been surprised but after the fight how ever win or lose bruce had reinvented himself put wong against the enter the dragon bruce lee at the level and conditioning he was at nothing againt wong he would have lost I have talking karate for over twenty years technique is not enough you have to have conditioning
I think you mistaken Wong Jackman with the person mentioned in this video. They were two different people.
The fight with Wong Jack Man took place in 1964. Wong Jack Man also taught non-Chinese. The fight had nothing to do with race. Bruce had given a demo in San Francisco in which he said he could defeat anyone in the bay area. Wong Jack Man took up the challenge. The fight was considered a draw by eyewitnesses.
This is what motivated Bruce to train like a mad man. He wouldn't have been that motivated had he won easily in three minutes.
Read, Showdown in Oakland by Rick Wing.
@jayism65 Look up Bruce Lee vs Wong Jack Man.This is the fight that made Bruce take a real good look at his art.Elders in the chinese community were against Bruce teaching non-chinese so they sent him a challenge.Wong Jack Man was the Master who challenged him.The fight took place in Oakland back in 1965.If Bruce lost he had to close his school.He WON but was not happy with his performance.He then became obsessed with training & learning from other arts until the day he died.
That was a different conversation about the fight with Wong Jackman that someone asked.
The WIng CHun was in Si Lam Mt Tai Monastery and Bruce wanted to study there but couldnt get ref! only a handlfull of WHite Guys attended, and it trained maim and kill and regeneration not a sport but a pure survival against the dynasty's armies. Yip was first non doctor to teach and was amazing and never lost to any style EVER! TIMING IS EVERYTHING! and with massive power behind timing it is non stoppable! Bruce realized it when my SIFU's Dr Chan and Dr CHu told us and why he adopted weight training and dynamic tension to build his power as a small chinaman to fight big white GUYS! Bruse we owe a lot to ! as well the YipMan and the great true Grand MAster of Martial Arts of the 1500-1900 of China Elite few. NOW if we evolve the mastership of ChiGUng then no fight will ever happen! complete energy control as the last step of Gods great lesson!
Ok so who is Erika Mailman & again I think you mean James Lee not George.Maybe there where schools around with non-Chinese students but Wong wasn't teaching whites for yrs.These witnesses that Wing interviewed are probably Wong's buddies who went with him that day & they aren't going to say there man lost.What a bitter guy.All these yrs later & that one event in his life has consumed him.Sounds like a troubled old man to me.
@MuayThaiViking Drop the emotionally weak 'racist' term. If you want to call your white instructor 'sifu', then fine(weird, but fine), but for him to call HIMSELF by that name would be either laughable, or simply pathetic.
There are very, very few real Sifus left. The whole CONCEPT belongs 100% to Chinese culture.
Erika Mailman is a freelance writer, and no, I mean George Lee. The witnesses were not Wong's "buddies", but mutual acquaintances of both James Lee and WJM. That one event hasn't "consumed him" nor is he "bitter" (amazing how you just make up shit), as he never spoke about it very much for years, and only now at Wing's insistence. You should really read Wing's book.
But I guess it's just easier to believe the version told by Saint Bruce, rather than all the actual eyewitnesses.
master oyama wud beat both at once
Oyama was Korean, people still deny his power.
a noth korean. he had proved and demonstrated how strong and powerful he was lot of times long time ago
bathiya01
He married a Japanese woman though.
hmmm
With a machine gun...
Race was not even part of the reason. It had NOTHING to do with the challenge. That's something Bruce made up. WJM himself actually had two Caucasian students, so obviously teaching non-Chinese wasn't the reason. It was because Bruce boasted at a demo that he could defeat any martial artist in the bay area. WJM heard this through a student and took up the challenge.
I BEAT BRUCE LEE UP. HE"S A SLOUCH
You lost lol :v
Filipe Fleming No kid, I won. His back was damaged
***** Why would I wish for something I already did? Come on kid, think. read the book "Showdown in Oakland" by Rick Wing. That book proves I won
***** I won. read the book!
Don't feed the troll...lol his IP Address
is no where near Hong Kong or San Francisco
And Master Wong Shun Leung KICKED Bruce's ass
Troll!! Now you are here trolling lol
Idiot! Another idiot visiting the site!
***** troll lol go play your xbox kid!
I'm not a kid, but you ARE an idiot!
***** child troll