Awesome. Thanks for debunking the myth that reballing will fix this. I linked your video to someone claiming that lead-free solder was the problem. It's interesting that these myths still persist after all of these years.
2:23 the "bond" you're referring to that attaches the die to the pcb substrate is known as a grid array of solder balls. It's the exact same way they attach that component to the mainboard.
It’s similar but not the same. The flip chip connection used micro balls known to typically as solder bumps and has underfill surrounding it in order to secure the die in place. The reason for this is that the die is basically a hot slab sitting on bumps that are much more delicate than BGA balls used to attach it to the motherboard, so mechanical strengthening is required. It’s been well known that when incorrect underfill is used, the flip chip connection fails (see Nvidia Bumpgate as an example).
Finally someone on RUclips has real science to explain why the rrod/rdod failures happen. So it’s a defect that is strictly local to the gpu/apu. It has nothing to do with board or with the thermal design. While M$ and AMD kept it hush, hush, we were bolt modding, wrapping towels, baking the motherboard in ovens, cutting vent holes, and adding fan mods thinking that rrod was a thermal problem. Talk about living in the dark ages. Lmao
Exactly. You may notice also that NVIDIA had the same issues and it was probably an issue at the chip manufacturer, TSMC. MS finally admitted the cause in their Power On documentary confirming that it was inside the GPU, not on the board, and not with thermal design.
@@Josh.Davidson It's a widespread issue (well was). Affected everything fabbed at TSMC for a while, including the GPUs of fat PS3s, countless nvidia graphics cards from the late 7000 series up to the 9000s, a ton of ATI/AMD GPUs and motherboard chipsets (though they never admitted to anything being wrong, unlike nvidia. killed tons of graphics cards, PC mobos (in case of chipsets) and macs). Intel didn't have problems in that time frame because they fabbed everything in-house. And it *is* kind of related to thermals, as thermal cycling is what effectively destroys the bumps thanks to crap formulation and insufficient physical support from the underfill. it's quite the shitshow in hindsight
I let my brother use one of my Trinity black glossy slims back In 2011 as I had the MW3 slim at the time and the console received an E82 error but prior to that it started to have graphical artifact issues on screen. Then shortly after E82 the console just booted straight to a red dot without any error code. Luckily at that time GameStop warranty allowed me to swap for a Corona matte slim but was super shocked to even see the error on a slim. I had a feeling it was the exact same issue as E74.
THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR KNOWLEDGE THEN JOSH IN ERROR 0101 CAR THAT YOU PERCISE EVEN CHANGING THE MEMORIES AND DOING THE REBALLING WE MAY HAVE A DEFECT IN THE DIE THANKS
Obrigado :) Verifique as memórias quanto à corrosão. Limpe-o e reball as memórias se a corrosão estiver sob as memórias. Erro 0101. Empurre suavemente a GPU. Se a placa funcionar, reball GPU. Se a placa não funcionar, primeiro substitua a GPU. Então, se a placa ainda não funcionar, comece a substituir as memórias uma de cada vez. Com esta lista, você será capaz de resolvê-lo. Saudações
Thanx for the technical info regarding E82. I always replace the cgpu when i have this error. U talked about 0013 error about thermal overload. I have one in hands and was wondering what is the issue.. so it is also cgpu related? It boots for milli second them goes to RROD 0013
Hey there! I love the great insight and great explanation My sons Xbox has the E82 error. Is it possible we could mail it to you and pay you to fix ? Would love to support the work you do :)
Hi Josh, what is the way to rebuild the NAND image? I've got a Xenon that brings up E71 (1013) No sign of it being tampered with such as JTAG. Xebuild?
you need to glitch it and get the key. then rebuild the image in the donor nand option in j-runner with extras. if that does not work, replace the nand.
This is very interesting! I haven't gotten into BGA work yet. How do you make sure the processor is lined up correctly before attaching it to the motherboard?
wish I knew more about soldering and motherboards. What exactly is everything you're using in this video? I'm not sure what the golden substance is after you initially heat up the spot under the component. I also don't know that gel like substance you put on at the end. And was the Q tip just Isopropanol? I've got a friend who would really like to keep his Xbox, and I'd like to try to fix it for him.
Beware that these types of rework requires lots of training and experience. I would suggest starting small. The golden substance I don't understand what you mean. The gel is fresh flux. IPA on the Q-Tip to clean the surface.
I just found your channel and subscribed. Xell freezes after about 5-10 seconds, I have Not got to see the keys yet. I’m using the Pico Flasher on a trinity board. What do you think causes this? If I flashed the original nand back onto it and remove the wires I can play on the Xbox all day long. Thank You Brother
I don't get the code every time I start the console. If I haven't ran it in awhile and turn it on with the TV off, it gives me the code and red light. If I turn the TV on before turning the console on it'll work. If I haven't used it in awhile and do my second method, I only get the code sometimes.
Hi mate, ive just come across E82 in a trinity RGH 3.0 - it boots Xell fine, but freeboot is E82, is it still the same XCGPU issue as described in the video?
@@Josh.Davidson It still happens but I guess it's within industry average of single digit percent per year. I'm starting to suspect the reason they designed the slim edram die a little bit lower than the CGPU is to prevent stress on the interposer, but results in trickier IHS thermal contact.
@@ScaredPilot Right, I have noticed the edram is not quite as tall by a tiny amount. But the edram is the same 65nm one from the Kronos1 phat GPU, so perhaps it was just a coincidence.
Stop stop!!!! If you have a 0 fuse CPU, just launch freeboot directly with DEVGL. IT IS A CRIME TO SECURE A 0 FUSE CPU BY WRITING A RETAIL FUSESET!!!! Please do not EVER do that! Just use DEVGL!
So, I cannot do this myself, as I don't have the tools or skills, and I sent my 360 S in for repair many years ago, and it came back as "unrepairable". How would I go about getting this fixed? Mine is a Halo Reach edition that is sentimental to me and has different sounds for power and eject. Is there a way I could buy a donor console and just swap out some of the components? Thanks!
Excellent repair' do you have an answer for the infamous 0100 error code on the 360 slim trinity' i have spent hours on mine & cannot figour it out ...................
@@Josh.Davidson Do you know from which board i need the cpu key? from the donorboard with the working CGPU? Because the board has 0002 and i can´t start into xell reloaded
If you watch the video I explain exactly that... it's caused by a failure on the GPU substrate or a bad die itself. Sometimes things fail. There is no plague like official cause like the older RROD issues.
I love watching Josh's videos because it's an amazing class with every video produced
Thank you my brother!
Hi Rubens 👋🏻😁
Awesome discovery, love to see it 🤗
Really enjoy these videos! The 360 scene will never die
I remember seeing this error pop up a few times on the internet, but I’ve never seen it in person. Thanks to you I now know what it is. 🤘
I am glad you enjoyed! Yes I admit it is rare, I only encountered it once before on a Corona.
Awesome. Thanks for debunking the myth that reballing will fix this. I linked your video to someone claiming that lead-free solder was the problem.
It's interesting that these myths still persist after all of these years.
Indeed, thanks for watching and sharing!
2:23 the "bond" you're referring to that attaches the die to the pcb substrate is known as a grid array of solder balls. It's the exact same way they attach that component to the mainboard.
It’s similar but not the same. The flip chip connection used micro balls known to typically as solder bumps and has underfill surrounding it in order to secure the die in place. The reason for this is that the die is basically a hot slab sitting on bumps that are much more delicate than BGA balls used to attach it to the motherboard, so mechanical strengthening is required. It’s been well known that when incorrect underfill is used, the flip chip connection fails (see Nvidia Bumpgate as an example).
Another one. 2 videos in the same day? Such a miracle.
great video josh i see your skills just going from strength to strength, "Anyone else felt like they were being told of by thier dad at the end ?" lol
Thank you but I didn't understand the end part.
@@Josh.Davidson it was like your saying this is how you do it and dont ever reflow the chip again or else your be in for it :D
@@MrFixiit hahahahah
Awesome work as always Josh. Very nicely done 👌👍
Great work brother. This video is great. You explained it in a very English way also.
Thank you brother
Finally someone on RUclips has real science to explain why the rrod/rdod failures happen. So it’s a defect that is strictly local to the gpu/apu. It has nothing to do with board or with the thermal design.
While M$ and AMD kept it hush, hush, we were bolt modding, wrapping towels, baking the motherboard in ovens, cutting vent holes, and adding fan mods thinking that rrod was a thermal problem. Talk about living in the dark ages. Lmao
Exactly.
You may notice also that NVIDIA had the same issues and it was probably an issue at the chip manufacturer, TSMC.
MS finally admitted the cause in their Power On documentary confirming that it was inside the GPU, not on the board, and not with thermal design.
@@Josh.Davidson It's a widespread issue (well was). Affected everything fabbed at TSMC for a while, including the GPUs of fat PS3s, countless nvidia graphics cards from the late 7000 series up to the 9000s, a ton of ATI/AMD GPUs and motherboard chipsets (though they never admitted to anything being wrong, unlike nvidia. killed tons of graphics cards, PC mobos (in case of chipsets) and macs). Intel didn't have problems in that time frame because they fabbed everything in-house. And it *is* kind of related to thermals, as thermal cycling is what effectively destroys the bumps thanks to crap formulation and insufficient physical support from the underfill. it's quite the shitshow in hindsight
Show!
Excellent work.
My dream is to one day see the Winchester board with rgh.
RGH never, maybe another mod, but reset glitching is not possible.
I let my brother use one of my Trinity black glossy slims back In 2011 as I had the MW3 slim at the time and the console received an E82 error but prior to that it started to have graphical artifact issues on screen. Then shortly after E82 the console just booted straight to a red dot without any error code. Luckily at that time GameStop warranty allowed me to swap for a Corona matte slim but was super shocked to even see the error on a slim. I had a feeling it was the exact same issue as E74.
Let's gooo another Josh upload 🥱
damn right, great video!
This is why Jasper's are the best 360 version.
This just happened to my Gears of War Slim. What a bummer.
Amazing work as always
You are the best.
Thx
THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR KNOWLEDGE
THEN JOSH IN ERROR 0101 CAR
THAT YOU PERCISE EVEN CHANGING THE MEMORIES AND DOING THE REBALLING
WE MAY HAVE A DEFECT IN THE DIE
THANKS
Obrigado :)
Verifique as memórias quanto à corrosão. Limpe-o e reball as memórias se a corrosão estiver sob as memórias.
Erro 0101. Empurre suavemente a GPU. Se a placa funcionar, reball GPU.
Se a placa não funcionar, primeiro substitua a GPU.
Então, se a placa ainda não funcionar, comece a substituir as memórias uma de cada vez.
Com esta lista, você será capaz de resolvê-lo.
Saudações
@@Josh.Davidson
in the case of the repair when the symptom returns, all the procedures already done can really be in xcpgpu thanks
MY MAN. Nice work.
HIIIIIIIII JOSH!
Thanx for the technical info regarding E82. I always replace the cgpu when i have this error.
U talked about 0013 error about thermal overload. I have one in hands and was wondering what is the issue.. so it is also cgpu related? It boots for milli second them goes to RROD 0013
Is it a corona? If so probably the temp line resistors. See errors.octalsconsoleshop.com/details/thermal
@@Josh.Davidson i well open it and check the 6 resistance near the cgpu if it is a corona. Thanx
@@3absisoRA good luck
Wonderful work!
Hey there! I love the great insight and great explanation My sons Xbox has the E82 error. Is it possible we could mail it to you and pay you to fix ? Would love to support the work you do :)
Sorry, I am not available until later, I am at university right now and don't have the machine.
Hi Josh, what is the way to rebuild the NAND image? I've got a Xenon that brings up E71 (1013) No sign of it being tampered with such as JTAG.
Xebuild?
you need to glitch it and get the key. then rebuild the image in the donor nand option in j-runner with extras. if that does not work, replace the nand.
This is very interesting! I haven't gotten into BGA work yet. How do you make sure the processor is lined up correctly before attaching it to the motherboard?
It doesn't need to be perfect, surface tension pulls it perfectly into place when the all balls melt.
@@Josh.Davidson that's really cool, I never would have guessed that is how it worked!
wish I knew more about soldering and motherboards. What exactly is everything you're using in this video? I'm not sure what the golden substance is after you initially heat up the spot under the component. I also don't know that gel like substance you put on at the end. And was the Q tip just Isopropanol? I've got a friend who would really like to keep his Xbox, and I'd like to try to fix it for him.
Beware that these types of rework requires lots of training and experience.
I would suggest starting small.
The golden substance I don't understand what you mean.
The gel is fresh flux. IPA on the Q-Tip to clean the surface.
Muy buen video como siempre.
this is the most intense video ive ever watched
Great work
Where can i buy the chip from?
Aliexpress
Nice job josh
Josh the best ♥️👍
keep creating.👌🏻
I just found your channel and subscribed. Xell freezes after about 5-10 seconds, I have Not got to see the keys yet. I’m using the Pico Flasher on a trinity board. What do you think causes this? If I flashed the original nand back onto it and remove the wires I can play on the Xbox all day long. Thank You Brother
Bad soldering/wiring.
@@Josh.Davidson Thank You 🙏 and have a nice day
Awesome !!!
I don't get the code every time I start the console. If I haven't ran it in awhile and turn it on with the TV off, it gives me the code and red light. If I turn the TV on before turning the console on it'll work. If I haven't used it in awhile and do my second method, I only get the code sometimes.
What the secondary error code?? Red light can mean many things.
thanks for the info ,
is there any way to avoid this problem ?
Nope. It's a lottery. Either it fail or not.
Hi mate, ive just come across E82 in a trinity RGH 3.0 - it boots Xell fine, but freeboot is E82, is it still the same XCGPU issue as described in the video?
Yes it need XCGPU Replacement sorry for slow reply.
@@Josh.Davidson that’s all good mate, I replaced the xcgpu 😀
Reason XeLL work because XeLL do not try to train eDRAM understand this happens later in startup that is why it is a UEM error.
How to weazel out of RRoD warranty?
Remove the lights.
How to weazel out of E74 warranty?
Change it to E82.
Loooooool but to be fair to MS by the time the slim came out the plague failure had been resolved.
@@Josh.Davidson It still happens but I guess it's within industry average of single digit percent per year.
I'm starting to suspect the reason they designed the slim edram die a little bit lower than the CGPU is to prevent stress on the interposer, but results in trickier IHS thermal contact.
@@ScaredPilot Right, I have noticed the edram is not quite as tall by a tiny amount. But the edram is the same 65nm one from the Kronos1 phat GPU, so perhaps it was just a coincidence.
Actually you can get a 0 fuse cpu and Reflash it with the same fuse set as original cpu, however the console must be modded before it gets the E82
Stop stop!!!!
If you have a 0 fuse CPU, just launch freeboot directly with DEVGL.
IT IS A CRIME TO SECURE A 0 FUSE CPU BY WRITING A RETAIL FUSESET!!!!
Please do not EVER do that!
Just use DEVGL!
@@Josh.Davidson I thought devgl is to launch freeboard on deviit cpu.
devgl is to launch freeboot on an unlocked CPU. Either a 0 fuse or devkit will work. Virtual fuses are used.
@@Josh.Davidson thanks a lot I will try to flash it on my dev unit, one more question, can you guide me which reballing unit is good for my needs ?
So, I cannot do this myself, as I don't have the tools or skills, and I sent my 360 S in for repair many years ago, and it came back as "unrepairable". How would I go about getting this fixed?
Mine is a Halo Reach edition that is sentimental to me and has different sounds for power and eject. Is there a way I could buy a donor console and just swap out some of the components? Thanks!
You can transfer the motherboard, transfer the speaker, and reprogram it to the proper panel button.
@@Josh.Davidson Thanks for the reply, mate! Really appreciate it.
Excellent repair' do you have an answer for the infamous 0100 error code on the 360 slim trinity' i have spent hours on mine & cannot figour it out ...................
You need to replace the CGPU. Same thing i did in this video.
That's real bad that they never actually corrected the cause of E74 but instead just sent a different error code to throw everyone off scent.
They did correct it at late Falcon. They were just covering their asses I guess.
I have also a slim trinity with the 1102 error. starts with green light, but after putting in a hdmi cable it goes red.
Yes so as in this video you need to replace the CGPU.
@@Josh.Davidson Do you know from which board i need the cpu key? from the donorboard with the working CGPU? Because the board has 0002 and i can´t start into xell reloaded
Is the CPU not soldered when you have tested it?
No it’s soldered of course, I just can’t film under the top heating element so I skip those scenes.
Will the Phat's Cpu also work on the Slim console?
No, impossible.
Hello josh can you swap out xcpu from trinity to corona?
Yes
Ok so that fixes it what causes it 😕
If you watch the video I explain exactly that... it's caused by a failure on the GPU substrate or a bad die itself. Sometimes things fail. There is no plague like official cause like the older RROD issues.
@@Josh.Davidson ok but is it heat that causes the failure or something that will happen regardless
It is not heat that causes the defect. It's just bad luck.
This only happens when I plug in hdmi
It stays green until I plug it in
Correct because it doesn't start that state of the boot process yet.
Awesome stuff, but your desk is too scratched up to fix beloved 360s on, you must get a new one, fix your desk first before you fix another 360
YOU ARE NOT SERIOUS it will a plastic protection for it to not scratch the desk!
@@Josh.Davidson lololol
WHY ARE WE YELLING?!
Not
It is easier to buy another console than trying to find a new GPU 😁
I fix. Understand?