Countries That TRIED To Unite (But Failed)
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▶ In this video I talk about some of the attempted, and failed, country unions throughout history. Starting with Maphilindo: the attempted union of Malaysia, the Philippines and Indonesia after each of them got independence from their former colonial rulers. Followed by the temporary Iberian Union in which Spain ruled Portugal after Portugal's king died without an heir. We also take a look at the various attempts of uniting Iraq and Syria, namely under the rule of the Hashemite dynasty. The Republic of German Austria is also under focus here, as we look at the attempted union of Austria with the German-Speaking areas of Czechia. Next I demonstrate the attempted union of Hungary with Romania after World War 1, and wrap up this video pointing out a second attempt at uniting Bolivia and Peru.
▶ TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 Intro
00:42 Maphilindo (Malaysia + Philippines + Indonesia)
02:04 Iberian Union (Portugal & Spain)
03:49 FÜM
05:20 Syria & Iraq
06:24 Republic of German Austria
07:33 Latvia & Lithuania
08:24 Greater Yugoslavia (Yugoslavia + Bulgaria)
10:00 Kingdom of Hungary & Romania
11:19 United States of Peru & Bolivia
12:11 Summary
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*Which other countries tried to unite but failed?*
Central America (except Panamá)
Transcaucasia (Armenia,Azerbeijan and Georgia) was only 1month before it broke again
united baltic duchy
@@edo412 cuz of treaty of batum in which the turks took everything for themselves
Polish-Lithuanian-Ruthenian Union
Maphilindo would be huge, but it's just too spread out to work. That's a huge distance between all the islands. Indonesia itself is as wide as the continental US.
Too much ethnic issues as well. In Malaysia, Islam and ethnic Malays are legally privileged over non-Muslims. Indonesia I belive is officially secular at a federal level but Islam is the majority religion and some provinces even enforce Sharia law. Philippines on the other hand is majority Christian.
Would Malay Muslims be ok with giving up their privileged legal position? Would Filipino Christians be willing to go from being a majority group to being a minority?
I think the three countries are better of being seperate while having good relations with each other rather than embarking on an unhappy union.
Yeah the scale of things is sometimes lost on maps like that.
@greatwolf5372 100 percent. If they were all equal, maybe, but not with all those privileges involved. Not to mention, being islands, they are separated already and wouldn't mesh together very well
It will not work. The Tagalog are already being absolute arsewipes to us rural Filipinos, what more would more ethnic groups bring?
@@greatwolf5372 minor correction, Indonesia is secular at "National" level. Not federal
MaPhilIndo was more like a economic association rather than a political union. The failure of maphilindo eventually gave birth to ASEAN.
poltical union with them would be impossible
this is what I remember from history class as well. I never recall anything about uniting them into one country.
@@nonamedpleb it is the dream of dr jose rizal and other filipino nationalist to unite the so called malay race
@@jmgonzales7701jose rizal and sukarno from indonesia. malaysia betrayed them by being puppet of the british.
@@rizkyadiyanto7922 with Indonesia government more pro communism at that time, I think that's the reason why British and their ally won't let the unification happened
Maphilindo was the blueprint of ASEAN, arguably the most functional union of countries in the world. We've seen the rapid growth of ASEAN countries and it's still going strong. I really loved the idea of uniting SEA nations. That way, we won't be bullied by China in territory disputes.
thank Jose Rizal for that, but blame Malaysia and Indonesia about it failing.
I can see a union between Indonesia and Malaysia, but I think the Philippines is more akin to Latin America, mainly because of religion, and you know there is one of these religions that does not tolerate people of the other one so much.
@@claudio.corona Nah, that's very far from what these countries envisioned. It's purely for the economy. Philippines is mostly a Christian. Indonesians are mostly Muslims. Malaysians are a mix of various religions.
Your biggest threat isn't China, it's the US. China doesn't have multiple military bases around the globe, US does.
@@DKtrek21 Philippines was majority Muslims.
Spain can't even keep the country itself united, let alone align with Protugal
"Protugal"
Portuguese here: I have the unpopular opinion that it would have been best a united iberia. Didn't work out unfortunatelly.
@@puraLusaEverything is better united, but that unity needs a ground to work on
@@puraLusanão é não
@@martimsousa2601 the majority if not 99% of people I know would be against it, and consider the outcome the best, even get angry when I express my point of view.
In 1940 I believe there were moves for the United Kingdom and France to merge, to ensure that both countries would keep fighting against German aggression. I don't think it got very far beyond the discussion phase, and then France was overrun and had to surrender. I think that would've been a very interesting union given the history between the countries.
The greatest problem I can see about this Union is what type of government they would use, with the Uk being a Monarchy and France a Republic.
Very true! But crazy to think of such a major countries union that late in history.
@@darkend1998 You mean the French president behaving like an absolute monarch?
Also centuries earlier, in the Middle Ages, France came dangerously close to being absorbed into a union with the kingdom of England during the 100 Years War in the 1300s to 1400s. But England ultimately lost the war when an unexpected hero like Joan of Arc and the French military turned the tides of battle.
@@joefrew1614Yup, the Angevin Empire.
I like how the first sentence of Wikipedia on Maphilindo says "Maphilindo (for Malaysia, the Philippines, and Indonesia), is a proposed, nonpolitical confederation of the three Southeast Asian countries in the Malay Archipelago." Which is completely different from what you said.
Probably written by brainwashed Indonesian. They are in denial that their country tried to manifest greater indonesia and failed miserably, even losing to newly formed Malaysia lol.
It was proposed by Jose Rizal due to his understanding of Malays (Melayu) unification as major races of South East Asia... But too many differences between political struggle and ideology divided the options of each nations... One want democratic federation, one want republic secular nations, one want secular federation (mixed of both federal and republic ideology as one) that make all of them fighting against one another for their own version of Greater Malays State.... And Maphilindo became a part of power hunger leader ambitious dream that many now considered as nothing more than territorial and resources dispute....
Great video!
There were multiple attempts to unify Poland with Czechia and Slovakia.
Some were during Czechia monarch reigns (Vaclav II), some during Polish monarch reigns (Bolesław Chrobry), some in 20. century.
There were also short periods were all three were united. Sometimes it was union of Poland with Slovakia and Moravia, sometimes Poland and Czechia.
Also West Slavic nation of Sorbians (now in Germany) were a part of Poland or Czechia.
Między Unią a podbiciem jest spora różnica
I guess it would be cool if you had included the Gran Colombia, it was a bit short lived but its effects are present even today, it isn't a coincidence that Equador, Colombia and Venezuela have the same colors in the flag
Currently only a union between Colombia and Venezuela makes sense, Panamanians are doing good by themselves and would benefit more from a union with Costa Rica. Ecuador is not great but it wouldn't benefit from a union with neither Colombia or Peru.
"shortly lived iberian union" it lasted longer than the soviet union 💀💀
😂 That's hilarious!
In comparison to Spanish and Portuguese history, it is a short period. Time longevity is relative to what we are talking about.
lasted longer than the Confederacy
@@callmefleetabout 16x more
@@callmefleetBut even Conferderacy managed to outlive independent Catalonia 😅
The United States of Central America was a pretty cool concept that failed pretty fast to and they had a sweet flag.I would also say the West Indies confederation was pretty unique in its concept.
I love this channel. Keep up the great work! 😊
German Austria wasn't really a joined state. It is called this way because at the time German speaking people in Austria saw themselves as German. Basicly it just were the German speaking parts of the former Habsburg Empire.
They not only saw themselves as german, they were and are. Im an Austrian living in germany, and even if the People of my country tell you otherwise, we are germans.
Its basically the same with Romania and Moldavia. Politics and History.
True! But from what I could understand there was a real attempt by German-Austrian political leaders to establish those areas as a sovereign country after the dissolution of Austria-Hungary.
Pretty much all of Austria speaks German tho
In the mid-19th Century, when political leaders in the three dozen states in central Europe with German-speaking majorities in their populations started to discuss the possibility of combining into one big nation-state, the proposals usually included Austria for obvious reasons.
The ultimate exclusion of Austria from Germany when it did form was more or less purely for political reasons. The Austro-Hungarian Emperor at the time didn't like the terms of the proposal he was shown, so the proponents of unification offered the position of Emperor of Germany to the king of Prussia instead, and he accepted it.
There was also a strong movement for Hungarian independence at this time, which logically implied the need to at least discuss what would happen to Austria if it was separated from the other half of the empire.
And of course this is more or less what actually happened in the end, despite the Germans' second attempt to assimilate Austria in the 1940's.
@@Fella12366 today yes but back then it has a big empire with many different groups of people
Well, union lasting 60yrs isnt my definition of "quickly failed"...
On other side, there was Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (with 1 million km2) which lasted for more than 400 years. And was ended because of external factor (partitions by Russia, Prussia and Austria).
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Maphilindo is a large country when combined. It actually represents 4 countries, Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, Singapore and Brunei. But if Brunei and Singapore agree to join Malaysia, it is considered 3
It proposed in 1963. Singapore is already out of Malaysian federation and Brunei never close to joining. it's only 3 countries. the other two isn't part of this at all
there's also the West Indies Federation, it was a union of all the small islands in the Caribbean plus Jamaica, but it didn't work due to a lot of reasons, it existed from 1958 to 1962
The British Empire had several of these. The East African Federation (Kenya, Uganda and Tanganyika) and the Central African Federation (Northern Rhodesia, Southern Rhodesia and Nyasaland) fell apart after a few years. The South Arabian Federation lasted about a week after the British Army left Aden, mainly because the Sheikhs lacked the oil wealth that kept the Persian Gulf rulers together.
Something like that was once proposed for the princely states of India, but by the time independence came, the Congress Party found it better to stop the old rulers' mouths with gold for a couple of decades, until Mrs Gandhi swept them all away overnight.
A federal structure seems to work best when the components are basically identical invaders, as in the USA and Australia, or held down by a powerful criminal enterprise, as in Yugoslavia and the USSR. It can't cope with too much diversity.
@@faithlesshound5621 The East African Federation is making a comeback. I guess building a nation takes time and at that time East Africa was just too big to govern as a single country.
basically indonesia if the break up.
I don't think we can count Maphilindo as it was not actually tried. It was proposed, but it had not even been considered seriously by the three nations before events overtook it and made the idea unworkable.
Blame the British for thwarting it
I@NFC792 it was never gonna work even without british interference.
@@MonsierBlack Are you joking? 🤣🤣🤣 You need more historical knowledge regarding the "Ganyang Malaysia" intervention by Soekarno
@@NFC792 culturally Malaysia and Indonesia were alike. However, The Philippines would be an outlier as it may have certain similarities but would in the end be culturally very different. If you ever bothered to read, Malaysia was also concerned with How Indonesia acted against the monarchies in Sumatra where many Royal lines were wiped out. Personally, I feel both Malaysia and the Philippines would end up being dominated by Java.
@@NFC792 also you " Ganyang " failed and ended up with Suharto.
Great video
great video. valuble information !
Thanks!
The Peru and Bolivia Unification would have been interesting. This is something I will have to touch on when I cover Bolivia on my podcast.
I wish Gran Colombia still existed, that would've been something.
No one is gonna watch your podcast
@@Comrade_BlancI will just out of spite
@@Comrade_Blancno need to be a dick
@@kitsun1471 you're a mad man 😯
I have to say this is one of the more interesting sponsors I've seen lately on any platform.
Pretty novel concept
Great video!!
Thank you!
i remember back in school we were taught abt maphilindo, i thought it sounded cool, thinking its an old piece of history but apparently nope they just didnt work out
Maphilindo, we may be separate but when the time comes, we unite as one, same blood, same ancestor 🇲🇾🇵🇭🇮🇩
But don't call us malay tho.
@@ge7sur3nka34you are part of the Malayan race because of your brown skin.
No pinoy, fk no... All SEA is ok except pinoy
@@cruzergo there is no malayan race
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3:20 I expected it bit more from you considering you're Portuguese...If you use the right flag for Portugal in the XVII century, you should do the same with Spain. The red and yellow flag wasn't adopted until 1785 way after the Iberian Union.
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But have you already seen all those five-year-old videos that are being recommended to you?
Romania and Bulgaria also tried to unite multiple times, the last one was during communism:a Balkan and Danubian confederation, including Bulgaria, Romania and Yugoslavia, which Poland and Czechoslovakia could later join as a Swiss style federation. Joseph Stalin, called this statement harmful to Moscow so it stopped there.
Another failed union of countries could be the one between Moldova and the Moldovan ASSR (modern day Transnistria, which is a self-recognised country) because of the war and the further tensions between them because Moscow invested in the Transnistrian industry while Moldova was stuck as an agrarian breadbasket for the USSR and now Transnistria has all of Moldova's industry, energy (getting resolved by Romania in 2024) and a Russian army batallion stationed there.
When the Greek war of independence began in 1820, the Romanians were part of the rebellion. The Romanian resistance collapsed pretty quickly, however, so the world did not see an independent Greece with Romania as part of its territory.
0:43
Singapur, East-Timor and Brunei: "Am i a Joke to you?"
Small country not exist
Great video.
If a part two is created, you can mention the Central American Federation
Malaysia technically counts given it was meant to include Singapore but TAR kicked it out in 1963.
Yup, singapoor has the uniqueness of becoming a country against its will.
The video of singapoor minister crying when announcing... No words!
Greek and Cypriot unification almost was a thing as well, in the late 60s, early 70s!
Your videos are very good.
Malphilindo is hard to exist, It is very large and scattered, Indonesia has survived until now, many experts consider it a miracle. If you (reader, especially if you are European), just start your car which has been prepared. Meanwhile, when I go to my relatives, I have to take a flying lion or Asian Ryan Air(you know what a airline 😂) . But I'm like an upper class person going from city to city on a big plane 😂
Versailles is normally pronunced french style ver-sai, in English. I do know the Marseille (french and English maar-say) was pronounced mar-sails in certain circles a very long time ago, but we're talking Victorian/Edwardian era, and only know because my father told me.
Versailles is only pronounced ver-sai in English in reference to the location in France. There are lots of small towns in America called Versailles, and they're all pronounced with both the L and the S sounded out, like ver-sails.
I'd love to see Aistija happen.
I'm not from either of the countries but I'd love to see the region hold more influence and be more of a thing in general.
Give them Estonia and Köningsberg as well.
I wonder how they came up with that name? Sounds like old-old (reaaaaly old) name of Estonia - Aesti
The point of Aistija was their shared cultural history. Neither Estonia nor Königsberg share that history. A union between Estonia and Finland would make much more sense. Königsberg used to be German, but the entire population was deported after WW2 and replaced with Russians. Although separated from the rest of Russia, on cultural grounds, it now makes sense for it to belong to Russia.
Nice new intro
Everyone wants Borneo. Indonesia want all of it. Malaysia wants to keep it. Philippines wants part of it (Sabah).
And Malaysia Want Sumatera
@@Kane_2001No?
@@AisarShamsulsecretly we do, to unite our Malay brethren, as you know it were under Srivijayan empire back then (which is Malay dominant empire) But politically no way, it will be a disaster, as you know how patriotic and nationalistic Indonesians are. They will flood our comments with some unnecessary bullsh*t and nobody got time for that!, we have inflation and rising cost of living problem to fix. So, yeah love you Indonesia ❤❤❤
PS: this is only my opinion. And not the opinion of the collective Malaysian population. I am entitled to my own opinion. So there's that.
The fail attempt of union between Greece and Cyprus would worth to be mentioned as well! 🇬🇷🇨🇾
As a Basque person myself, it would be amazing to see an actual Basque country.
Hope to see soon in the near future!! Go Basque country! 👍👍👍👍
@@DiotimaMantinea-bz6lp the Basques have always occupied that land as far back as history goes. Unique race, language, and culture.
Spanish Basque Country yes, since the French basque don't seem a lot interested in uniting.
Even the main Basque blood type is different from the rest of the Peninsula.
Good luck trying to unite the Basque communities divided by the Pyrenees
9:05 From the style of the "hats" used by the armed men, I would say that picture depicts the Spanish "Guardia Civil" escorting prisoners (probably workers on strike or something like that); no relations with Greater Yugoslavia...
You are right, they are indeed Spanish Civil Guards and the pic, afaik, is from the period just before the Spanish Civil War, the Revolution of 1934, and those are detained miners from Brasoñera (Palencia, Castile and Leon), in north-western Spain.
The picture you used for the Bulgarian coup was strikers being arrested by guardia civil in the Astoria’s uprising in Spain. But the year was correct 1934
Today’s Maphilindo was Beauty Pageants because since July 2023 they have United Pageant Fans known as Maphilindo Pageant Fans Club which is aims to Unite Support the Maphilindo in major beauty pageants like Miss Universe, Miss Supranational, Miss World, Miss International, etc.
Trivia:Aside Dr. Jose Rizal, they are two Filipinos are proposed a concept of United Malays, Wenceslao Vinzons, a student activist has a oratory speech in the 1930s known as Malay Unity and Manuel Quezon, Philippine President who has a dream to become a United Philippines, Indonesia and Malaysia
that dream is impossible
@@jmgonzales7701 Yes while dreaming of Malay Unity is impossible, pageant fans are unite to support three beautiful candidates in major pageants
Indonesia and Malaysia aren't obsessed with pageants, not that it matters anyway. Ewan ko ba.
@@kzm-cb5mr 😕😕
What about Brunei, Singapore and East-Timor?
Seriously? Maphilindo? I can see Indonesia and Malaysia uniting - their languages and cultures tends to be rather similar... but the Philippines is sooooo unique I just can't imagine it working. I love all 3 countries - lived in the Philippines a few years. Filipinos are VERY proud to let you know how unique they are in Asia (many joke they feel more at home visiting the US than any country of their neighbouring Asian nations). I literally can't picture a union like that. Wow. Aistija's another one. The 2 languages are vastly different, the majority religions are not the same... and they LOVE to make SURE you know their culture is different (I have family in Vilnius and Tauragė) I can only imagine it was the local Volksdeutsche who proposed THAT little gem. Wow, this was a fun and super fascinating one... has one thinking!
Yeah but before Colonization Filipinos are actually related to Both Malaysian and Indonesian. Filipinos understand Malay because it's the lingua francia. Also language is still related to them. Basically you could say that Indo and Malay are brothers and Filipinos were their cousins.
Same race, different tribes, literally maritime southeast asia. Also the reason why philippines language is so unique is because of spain's colonization, if the spaniards didnt colonize us, we would be known as austronesia aka indo, malay and ph race
The Austroasiatic Descendant spanning from Madagascar across the Indian Ocean to Hawaii and from Taiwan to New Zealand
Not including the Immigrant during colonial time
It's massive, acrossing Two Ocean
Back then there was some optimistic attempts to unite all this region inside the EthnoLinguistic sphere
@@gorgeousgentleman5390 oceania is distant relatives, but same ancestral roots, hence why they are called polynesians and not austronesians, madagascar on the other hand is indeed austronesia but majority influenced by african culture.
hmm That would be if you focused on metro manila which is indeed very westernized. The provinces however are similar in terms of attitude and culture to Malaysians and Indonesians except they are Muslims. Most filipinos who say that they don't really feel at home with Malaysia and Indonesia haven't really experienced going there or staying for a long time. Have been 2 both and i keep forgetting I'm in a different country.
Lembrando de mais alguns casos:
Brasil e Uruguai (embora não tenha sido exatamente uma "união", mas uma disputa territorial com a Argentina solucionada por mediação britânica);
Tchecoslováquia - dissolvida pacificamente em 1993.
E a mais bizarra, nunca concretizada ou levada a sério: houve um movimento na Sicília para que esta deixasse de pertencer a Itália e se transformasse em um Estado dos EUA!
Aí sim os italodescendentes nos EUA poderiam dizer que são italianos 😂
@@brainwheeze6328 , os europeus tem um ditado: "filhote de gato nascido dentro do forno não é biscoito".
Australia/Australasia(n Federation) was one in the turn of the 20th century as australia was federalising. New Zealand and Fiji were possible candidates to join, yet refrained from doing so due to australian led politics. However, the door is still open for New Zealand, at least. This could've even extended to all of oceania united under one country, which wouldn't be unreasonable due to most of it speaking english and being just australia.
You failed to mention the most successful union between two states - The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, established in 1385 by marriage of Polish queen and Lithuanian prince, which started a new dynasty. It lasted together for 400 years, the main purpose was to unite to fight off a growing Russia. in mid 1600s there was a project to make it a Union of the Three Nations acknowledging also Ukraine as a nation within the Commonwealth, however, Ukraine chose to seek protection of Russia to their demise. The cooperation of two imperialistic enemies on both sides, Prussia and Russia eventually weakened the Commonwealth, which has been divided first in 1772, later in 1792 and finally in 1795. It was one of the most progressive and liberal democracies in Europe at the time, but because of its democracy was an easy target for enemies to concur.
They crushed the only counter-weight to Russia, Sweden, together in a coalition with Russia who, as a result, ended up gobbling them up a few centuries later. They only have themselves to blame for their demise.
"Ukraine chose to seek protection of Russia to their demise." -- for most of their history, Ukraine going with Russia worked fine for them.
If you're talking about very recent history: the current Russia - Ukraine war came about because Ukraine started genociding Russian speakers.
That doesn't sound right, it was not a progressive democracy, it was an elective monarchy, which was incredibly corrupt by the end. And wasn't it founded bc the polish line was technically extinct, and the Lithuanian king became the new head of both dynasties. Also Russia was hardly a threat at that time, they had more troubles from the Ottomans, Sweden and the Teutonic order.
The video is about unions that failed to happen
@@Cheesy782 Yeah, completely stupid. The video title only consists of 7 words and people are still unable to grasp the content. The compulsive reflex of having to share your national pride with everyone is also so annoying. Especially when it comes to history and things that have nothing to do with any personal contribution.
Maphilindo would be the most insane country ever. Third largest population in the world, ridiculously culturally diverse, massively spread out, and rendered harder to connect via oceans. Basically the problems Indonesia already has, but worse. And you'd also just still have Singapore in there, completely independent lol.
About Singapore, before 1963, Peninsula Malaysia (back then was called Federation of Malaya), Sabah and Sarawak were different entities where the Federation of Malaya was the only independent nation. On 16 September 1963, then Malaysia was created which also includes Singapore. On 1965, Singapore was ousted out of Malaysia because of something I'm too lazy to elaborate on. It does include some racial tension and some politics.
So many. Like the medieval Kalmar union (Sweden, Norway, Denmark; established and fell apart), the Senegambia Confederation of the eighties, the proposed Franco-British union of 1939-1940, the complex Federal Republic of Central America, and various schemes involving Russia and Belarus the last 20 years. To mention a few.
Often due to overreach by the dominant party and diverting common interests. The kalmar union, for example, failed due to danish overreach and due to the decline of their common enemy.
The Wolf King Union goes so fuckin hard ngl
The UK and Malta is another one.
Malta was already a British territory, but they looked into becoming part of the UK itself, with representation in parliament. In the end it didn't work out so they opted for independence instead.
There is one always forgotten the unification of Tunisia and Libya into The Arab Islamic Republic
Both presidents of Tunisia and Libya agreed upon that project and on the modalities. Actually, it was pretty imminent and the project would have been summited to a referundum. The reasons of cancellation the unification, before that referundum, are not exactlty known. Though, it is important to know that Algeria and Egypt didn't agree at all with that project, the combination of the natural ressources of Libya and the intellectual elite of Tunisia could have resulted with a new big power in the region that would have threaten there position. So, Algeria and Egypt acted very aggressively towards both country, Algeria even threatened to invade Tunisia if the project went on. Divergence of viewpoint on the project, and the unclear position of France didn't help.
my great great uncle was the one that actually tried to unite iraq with syria in 1963 , he was a former president of syria Amin AlHafez , this is very obscure in english speaking sources , thank you for talking about it
Can I ask him for an autograph
@@SunflowerSeedYtpmv i never met him sadly , i only know about him from what my mom told me and stuff i read online
are you from Syria
@@SunflowerSeedYtpmv Come on, I'll sign for you 😂😂
I thought that after Maphilindo, you’d have zoomed in further to the case of Malaysia, which was a merger of Malaya, Singapore, Sabah and Sarawak. Brunei was to have joined as well but backed out just before the actual merger. Less than two years after the union, Malaysia kicked Singapore out of the federation.
So in one case, you have a proposed union, the actual union but not as proposed (Brunei backed out). Then there was the break up of the union (Singapore was ejected). But the union was also successful (Malaysia still exists today, just without Brunei and Singapore).
I can't believe you made napoleon surrender in your intro.
as a Romanian, an union with Hungary would have been good. imagine, one gets "the eastern mountain range", the other gets "the western river". and would act as a barrier against the slavic wishes to conquer-claim others' lands(like they keep on doing for 1500 years)
Hungaromania 🇸🇨
@@mysteriousDSFyou mean, he's got a hunger for Hungary
To be fair, the Kingdom of Hungary had conquered quite a lot of Slavs
Would you like being riled by orban? The hungarians would treat you romaniabs as srcond class citizens and exploit you. Think before you believe in nonsense.
Romania has been Slavized for a long time, and if it were not for the people in the government in the past centuries, then perhaps the Romanians would have been fresher with the Slavs, namely, with the Bulgarians, since they were geographically close, and Orthodoxy mainly relies on the Church Slavonic language, at a certain point in time the similarity of Romanian with other Slavic languages reached more than 30% of the entire language
I don't know where you get your information from, but the Bulgarian monarchy ended in 1946. After the 1934 events the king returned to power.
Maphilindo eventually did form the basis for the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN).
Also, no mention of the Kalmar Union for the Nordic countries?
Maphilindo didn't succeed... Now is the ASEAN era... Malaya-Kamboja-Champa (Malay), Saka-Yavana (Sunda-Jawa-Daha-Kediri) and other ethnicities in Indonesia in particular have different national views from each other...
We can't be united because:
1. Saka-Yunan (Funan) and Champa kingdom in Indochina has fallen
2. Pattani is now part of Thailand
3. Malay people migrated en masse from Indochina to Malay peninsula and Indonesia (especially Aceh)
3. Malaysia even expelled Singapore from its territory
4. Filipinos refuse to use Malay as their unifying language
Of course this decisions of these countries must be respected:
1. Champa now belongs to Dai Viet
2. Pattani now belongs to Thailand
3. Philippines has a strong Western identity
4. Malaysia is a commonwealth country
5. Indonesia has its own identity
Even though Indonesia is influenced by Islam and the Siwa-Buddha culture of India, Indonesia is different... The Strait of Malacca (mleccha = foreigner) separates us from Jambudwipa and mainland Asia... Respect each other and now united within the ASEAN framework...
Philippines does NOT have a "strong" western identity, you've been white-washed too much, why does one country that knows English so well, be considered "strong Western identity" ?
Can you imagine if it really happened?! Malaysia, Philippines and Indonesia are united?! It will be a Big Big Big country and economic!
I would love a Maphilindo but it could never happen....
I just couldn't imagine what would have happened in Malaysia was to merge with Indonesia. It's crazy to think that there is a alternate reality where I am an Indonesian instead of Malaysian
Atleast we wont be fighting on who owns what now? Wkwkwk
How about a video on successful union of countries?
Portugal and Spain were never united. Yes, it was a union of the crowns but at the time Spain was not even a country. They had several regions even outside the Peninsula, Portugal was a real country, but the other regions weren't. Catalonia rebelled at the same time as Portugal, since the army could only attend to one revolution, they decided to focus on Catalonia, and that is why they are still today under the rule of Spain, when technically they are a separate country.
And it is incorrect that Spain had the rule over the Portuguese empire. They remained separate therefore Brazil was never spanish. In fact, Portugal lost its empire in Asia as a consequence of all this, because the Spanish stole all portuguese ships to defeat the English armada and lost, making Portugal unable to send resources to maintain its colonies in Asia.
I guess one can say: the colonizer got colonized.
There was no Catalonia as a country in history, it was Kingdom of Aragon which has united with Kingdom of Castille...
You forgot the Kalmar union.
Yes! Another great union example
And Colombia (the big one).
Heard about Maphilindo in history class as a Filipino.
Philippines, Malaysia and Indonesia are literally siblings, we will support each other in significant things, unite for common goals but always fights for petty things especially about "pride"😅 e.g (sports, esports and even in beauty contest) but deep inside we know we are one family.
Religious and Cultural difference is too big for it to work so. Let's keep the status quo.
I can give you an even crazier example.
This is Russia and Poland in the 16th century. Then the Russian-Polish union, led by Ivan the Terrible, was discussed in all seriousness. Moreover, the proposal for union was from Poland. But for this, Ivan needed to convert to Catholicism and he refused. So the possible Eastern European superpower never existed
it existed in soviet era.
@@rizkyadiyanto7922 And in 19 century when part of Poland belong to Russia.
I am not sure Maphilindo would have worked. I am married to a Filipina. The Philippines is a Catholic country, with far more Protestants than Muslims (only 5%). The period of Spanish occupation and the USA 1898-1946 have left their mark on the country. There is a lot of culture and the food not just the religion that is Spanish. Filipinos probably have more in common with a Mexican than they do with Malays. So I feel with an islamic Malays and Indonesians it would be a very unhappy union.
i agree. mostlikely we would just remain independent
Singapore and Brunei are somewhat much more similar culturally to Malaysia and Indonesia than Philippines is
Singapura and Malaysia have a strong Chinese culture...
@@ariapinandita9240 Singapore is mostly Chinese, Malays are the dominant group in Malaysia and have a completely different culture and whilst Chinese are in large numbers they are discriminated against.
@@budisoemantri2303 Brunei is similar to Malaysia and same people. Singapore is more Chinese dominated and did not fit in a union with Malaysia.
Could you say 60 years of Iberian Union "ended up quickly disappearing"?
Even these days, some Indonesian still talking about Malphilindo.
Some other propose a unified federated ASEAN, similar to EU.
This would make the most sense to me. An economic union would be much more practical for the region than the alternative of a political unification
its the most realistic, if however chose a political union i think it would be through a federation where 3 countries on paper are one but act independently @@justsomeguy5470
In Iberia, I'm surprised Spain is still unified. Until 1492, the states were constantly joining and splitting. So i'm expecting either multiple seperate states or a single unified state.
(edit) - not 1492, should have been 1479 with the personal union of Castile and Aragon (1492 was the end of the reconquista). (Note that if Ferdinand did have a son with his second wife, the personal union would have ended and the countries separated).
Problem with modern nationalisms in Spain is that it is all a big bubble of lies that will burst one day. The main reason why the Catalonian and basque wanted independence in the first place was because of centralization reforms. Specially with the catalans, it would interfere with their doings which is completely understandable. Most independentists that wanted independence in the 20th century would be more than satisfied with the nowadays settings, since apart from Spain being a federal state, they have privileges that other Spanish don't have, such as different Healthcare, separate entities for the 3rd sector and also a certain sum of taxes the other Spaniards pay, go the their "aoutonomous community" as a subvention. If you speak to any independentist older than 60, they will probably tell you that the geopolitical situation is fine as it is and the leaders that manage the nowadays movement are a bunch of idiots adoctrinating young people whilst they live in Belgium swimming in Russian money. Is all just a big lie that other countries are somewhat believing to the point I've had to argue with people from places in the opposite side of the world that have no clue of how Spanish politics work
1492???
We Catalans are pushing strong to recover our sovereignty and independence that was illegally usurped from us and make Catalonia independent again. ✊✊✊✊
@@jordi6795 A true independentist already knows staying in Spain is far better than secessing
@@Danold123THK I'm a true independentist and let me tell you that you are wrong...
As a portuguese the discussion of Iberian Union is always very funny to me because if you are portuguese you know the history and know that we would prefer to die that to become Spanish (and historically that’s what happened). Don’t get me wrong i think the Portuguese people love Spain and feel like they are our brothers in the east, we share the same peninsula history, culture and traditions but always in very different ways.
Besides Portugal has been a country long before Spain established itself , some 350 years before actually, and as we all know Spain barely can keep itself together.
In Portuguese there’s a saying “De Espanha, nem bom vento, nem bom casamento” that translating means “From Spain, neither a good winds nor a good marriage” that translates the feelings of Portuguese people on this subject.
ele também e português bro (;
Copy & paste.
I think it will be great if you add Indonesia - Netherlands Union
Boa boa, bem interessante com umas cenas que não tinha noção.
You got a proposed malphilindo, but fail to include an actual real union of Singapore and Malaya to form malaysia which lasted for 3yrs😂
He didn’t include it because it’s not interesting or notable compared to these, obviously. It looked no different from the current world map and didn’t make a huge difference. Compare that to Maphilindo, which would create a completely new gigantic country with half a billion people and totally change the map at a large scale. Also the Singapore union lasted for a little less than 2 years, not 3 (Sept 63 - Aug 65).
One Union I’m quite fascinated about is the Afghanistan-Pakistan Confederation. The proposed Union was between the Kingdom of Afghanistan, and the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. The new Confederation would have the King of Afghanistan as sovereign, and was proposed to get rid of the Durand Line, that split Pashtuns and Balochis between the countries - finally uniting them. It’s also important to note that Bangladesh was a part of Pakistan at that moment.
It would make even more sense without Bangladesh. Although looking at the current news, I don't think either side is very interesting in uniting now.
Why would they have done that? They have very little if anything in common
@@juannaym8488 In Afghanistan, the main and largest ethnic group are the Pashtuns. In fact, throughout history, the term “Afghan” almost, always referred to the Pashtuns only. The only problem is, due to colonialism, Pakistan has areas that are majority Pashtun, in fact - there are twice as much Pashtuns in Pakistan, than in Afghanistan. This has caused Afghanistan to claim the Pakistani Pashtun region called “Afghania”, which has always soured Afghan-Pakistani relations. So to overcome this issue, it was proposed to unite the two countries, in an effort to unite the Pashtuns under one country. This would also give Afghanistan access to the Indian Ocean, and access to Pakistan’s largest port city; Karachi, and the deep sea port of Gwadar. Pakistan on the other hand, won’t have hostile neighbours on either side, while also having easier access to Central Asia and Russia for trade. The West also wouldn't have to worry as much when it came to terrorism from the likes of the Taliban or Al Qaeda, as the Afg-Pak economy and military would be much stronger.
Pakistan bangladesh are literally pislam occupied India. Chopped off inspite of 1946 United Indian election results. Sindh Bengal Punjab Kashmir are historically Indian.
I missed czechoslovakia in there will you do part 2?
I wish there was a union between my country and a certain neighbour of ours. Would rather not share which though, since I know most people would despise such an union.
Which continent, I'll try guess the union
Ukraine and Russia
@@pbohearn no
@@Dacian_mapping I'd rather not, last time I stated an unpopular opinion online I got harassed by a constant influx of replies stating how much they disagree with my opinion
@@grandmasteryoda6717 just because of a country💀 people fr wilding
Maphilindo is not union of Malaysia, Philippines and Indonesia, but three countries creating the basis for South East Asia organization, which marred by Konfrantasi. But after 1967 peace treaty between Malaysia and Indonesia, the Maphilindo eventually become ASEAN.
Malaysian here.
yes. people think its a concept of creating one country..
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@@jmgonzales7701it was a concept after Jose Rizal "proposed" as the whole Malay people and their respective nations to unite as one against their colonial terrors, against Spain, Dutch and British Empire (or Portugal too i guess) but the government themselves were to only made is as profitable to the trio country along military but uniting? no, but it was a dream for the sole purpose of this Spanish person who was born in Philippines with Chinese ancestors- named Jose Rizal.
Jose rizal himself also had Filipino blood but he was such a mut. As much as i respect him, his dreams are impossible and unrealistic Nor do most want it. @@UACia
The Kalmar union Sweden( including Finland ) and Denmark and Norway around 1300- 1400s
Sweden-Norway union 1814-1905
Union of Poland and Lithuania (including Ukraine, Belarus and Latvia) between 1386 and 1795.
Would unions that did occur but then fail count? I mean theyd still be united if they didnt fail right?
Thinking Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Sudan, Ethiopia..
Ethiopia was an empire not just a country.
Thought about…
Union state - Russia Belarus
Romania - Moldova
France and the UK were proposed to unite a 100yrs ago… fish and chips, with snails!
And Yemen… it got united but it REALLY isn’t working out☹️
As much as I would like a greater Baltic union, it definitely wouldn't work considering how different Lithuanian is from Latvian
The Prussian Lithuanian part was much more likely of uniting like what happened with Klaipeda, but then the Russians happened in ww2
:(
The republic of German Austria is a common one. It goes back to concept of German unification before it actually happened. Austrians ARE German.
There should be two Germanic states in Central and North Europe:
(1) Lower Germany/Netherlands including North Germany (with Hamburg), Netherlands, north Belgium.
(2) Upper Germany including Central and South Germany, Austria and German parts of Switzerland.
(3) North Germanic country including Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Island.
@@robertab929 Interesting idea, but I'm Dutch and there's about a 0% chance that we'd agree to peacefully unify with Germany. They'd have to conquer us again to make that a reality.
I'm surprised The United Provinces of Central America (Provincias Unidas de Centroamérica) weren't covered in this video, there were several attempts at reviving the union but they lasted even less time.
Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (including Ukraine, Belarus and part of Latvia) existed for 400+ years.
It had 1 million km2. It was the biggest country in Europe at the end of 14 century, and in 15. and 16. centuries.
As a Catholic Filipino, Maphilindo would never work. Manila and many Filipino cities were Hispanophone, are Hispanised and have a rich Spanish-Filipino heritage. A Catholic majority country with 400+ years of Westernisation would rub the wrong way with with Sharia-obsessed Malaysia and Islamic influenced Indonesia.
it's better that way
wdym? @@gorgeousgentleman5390
yeah, we should remain independent. I also don't agree we become a US state
@@jmgonzales7701 Just work together in South-East Asia against China dominance. Cooperate with India and Australia.
@@robertab929 thats what im saying
German Austria has some realllly bad borders 😭
It's strange to think that two independent functional countries would ever merge together. Only further divisions are possible in the current world.
It seems perfectly reasonable for countries to want to unify if it can give them:
1. More natural resources
2. Economic dominance in their particular region
3. Stronger military
4. Overall greater global influence
In the Europe, unifications don't really happen anymore but that's because most of the continent is already militarily and economically linked, either through the EU, NATO, or both. Other regions don't have that same kind of stability, and merging could be a way to protect themselves from adversaries or increase their development.
@@silvergalaxia8538 it's hard to merge two different tribes of people in the same country talking of merging two countries is kist next to impossible especially in Asia.
Interesting sponsor choice.
Maphilindo idea is still alive it just that the nations don't know how will maphilindo work will it become a Federation,Republic, or like the united states since their are too many cultures in the malay archipelago and most of all who will be in charge of the state that is what preventing it.
its why it will never happened, we are just too different
@@jmgonzales7701 culturally not
Socially not
History not too much
But politically yes we are.
Well ideas don't die they evolved that's why ASEAN exist today
@@kingnamcy397because Asean is a realistic union, however a political union between Malaysia and Indonesia and the Philippines is not realistic, first its going to be a logistical nightmare. Remember Indonesia alone is as wide as the united states. not to mention the sheer ethnic diversity Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philippines have. It simply cannot be. We also have a lot of problems we individually have, in our case we have the NPA and the abu sayyaf which will become your problem once we form into one country. We also happen to be majority catholic and we have different values from the Muslims, we wont allow ourselves to be a minority. Its simply not possible, close partnership is ok however.
@@jmgonzales7701 What you said.👍
@@kingnamcy397 It won't really work considering a lot of Filipinos feel closer to East Asians than Malaysia and Indonesia. (Influence)
The indian subcontinent should honestly never been seperated when given independance like india is already full of so much racial and languistical diversity i fail to see how some religious diversity would start a civil war honestly 🇧🇩🇵🇰🇱🇰🇮🇳🇲🇲🇳🇵.
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The whole world would've been united if we ignored religion and cultural differences.
Brother, Pakistan and Bangladesh were united, it got so bad that it literally couldn’t be continued anymore. In the independence war Pakistan did a literal Genocide in Bangladesh…
@ryboi1337 If the whole world had the same culture and religion, we would be fighting over something else, like the color of your skin.
the merefact its diverse gives it a problem
Most of latin american, with The gran Colombia had the north of south america unifying, then Argentina with Uruguay and Paraguay, central america gained independence from Mexico and decided to be one country for a while
2:04 Filipino here,
Muslim Mindanao and Catholic Luzon don't even get along as it is. Uniting with Muslim Indonesia and Muslim Malaysia would just be a disaster for all parties involved.
If we would to unite with another Oriental Country. It would be better to look to the Mainland SEA or at least Taiwan.
Maphilindo failed not because Indonesia wanted to own the entire island of Kalimantan, but because the PM of Malaysian betrayed the agreement between the three countries where the Malaysian PM chose to approach colonialists (England) with ideas that benefited colonialism. We can see that now Malaysia is still a Commonwealth country
You cannot blame Malaysia for the failure to the formation of Maphilindo. Maphilindo could not work well due to different interests of the participating nations. The Phillipines and Indonesia were to put off or even check the formation of a Federation of Malaysia. Indonesia was influenze by communism and later have confrontational approach towards Malaysia while PH still claiming Sabah. There are more than 50 Commonwealth countries. Best choice for Malaysia.
@@hopelope1703 If Malaysia had not betrayed there would have been no confrontation. Legally, the Sulu Sultanate did have the right to it where the agreement with England was still valid until Malaysia became independent and after that by paying rent to the Philippines. At that time the main focus was independence, not communist or liberal ideology. In reality, Malaysia was incited by the colonialists to follow their wishes. Maphilindo can't work well?That is Malaysia's one-sided opinion as the reason for its betrayal. The concept is like Asean now, in fact it works well, don't look for unclear reasons
@@hanflax4679 There is a court case recorded by ICJ (International Court of Justice, The Hague) pertaining to the Philippines claims on North Borneo. It is a special 37-page report by ICJ that was published in 2001 and easily accessible from the ICJ official website. It was a trial within a trial in the main court case between Malaysia and Indonesia over the ownership of the islands of Sipadan and Ligitan in Sabah.
Philippines which is not a party to the trial requested permission to intervene. To comply to Article 62 of the Statute of Court, Philippines stated the objectives for the intervention (Section 7 & 84) namely, to safeguard and preserve Philippines historical and legal rights over North Borneo and to inform the court the affect or effect of the court outcomes on its claim to the territories.
In the trial within a trial, Philippines lawyers explained their case especially the Sulu-Ovenbeck 1878 agreement (primal reference) and related information to the court (Section 44 & 83). The same 15 main court judges were sitting at the bench and Malaysian and Indonesian lawyers too were involved in this trial.
On 23 October 2001, by 14 to 1 vote, the court rejected Philippines request on the ground that there is “no interest of legal nature” (Section 93). (Meaning Sulu/PH claim on Sabah is null and void)
Type the statement below and go to the official ICJ website (a 37-page report): INTIZRNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE REPORTS OF JUDGMENTS, ADVISORY OPINIONS AND ORDERS CASE CONCERNING SOVEREIGNTY OVER PULAU LIGITAN AND PULAU SIPADAN APPLICATION BY THE PHILIPPINES FOR PERMISSION TO INTERVENE JUDGMENT OF 23 OCTOBER 2001
@@hanflax4679 If you called it a rent, where is the agreement between Sulu and Malaysia? If none, it is just like what pirates and mafia do for a living. Why in the 1878 agreement, Malaysia not mention? Is there any clause in the 1878 agreement that Malaysia inherit responsibility to continue paying Sulu? Why in the receipts that are in Sulu possession do not mention the money is for the rent? Why the amount is so small and not what been stipulated in the agreement? One Mexican gold dollar (coins) in 1878 has a weight of 1.7 grams of gold. So, 5300 X 1.7/1000 = 9.01 kg of gold. Compare the value 5300 Malaysian dollar to 9 kg of gold. Giving away money is not an offence. Can give or stop giving anytime.
@@hanflax4679Sulu/PH need to resolve 2 legal aspects before making any claim on Sabah from Malaysia.
Firstly, Sulu need to show undisputable proof that earlier, Brunei Sultanate (original owner) give North Borneo (Sabah) to Sulu as a gift for assisting in the Brunei’s civil war. This is to rebuke the existence of 29/12/1877 agreement (consist of 4 agreements) signed by Brunei Sultanate that grant the whole of North Borneo to British North Borneo Company (BNBC). These agreements exist and keep at the National Archives in London. The word “grant” been used, and it has never been challenged or protest by Brunei, even when the British turned North Borneo into British Charter (1881), Protectorate (1888), Colony (1946) and finally British Parliament under the Malaysia Act 1963 incorporate it into Malaysia.
Secondly, let assume North Borneo belongs to Sulu. Sultanate of Sulu signed many agreements to relinquish his territories and dependencies (including North Borneo) to the colonizers. These include the Bases of Peace and Capitulation Agreement with Spain on 22/7/1878 and Carpenter Agreement on 22/3/1915 with the US. Later Spain and US relinquish North Borneo under the Madrid Protocol 1885 and Anglo-US Border Convention 1930 to the British respectively. At the end, Sulu has nothing.
Rebut with facts and references. Not hearsay.
I would like a union Kingdom of Romania with Hungary.
Are you Romanian or Hungarian?
@@robertab929 Romanian
Don’t think I knew bout the whole Latvia and Lithuania attempt till now. That treaty was a mistake honestly.
The union between Romania 🇷🇴 and Hungary 🇭🇺 was so likely that the proposed flag is still available as an emoji: 🇸🇨
please tell me thats a joke
@@Lameguy A joke, but good one. It's a flag of Seychelles.