Hi Paul. That is of course interesting to read, please add some details. I have not heard that about the rudders on these boats, but being long-keeled they resist turning so a bow-thruster is great in port. Unlike the Colvic Watson-boats that has problems with their rudders due to two factors: 1) the cavitation created in front of the propeller due to a wide sternpost, and 2) their rudders are just a flat piece of metal instead of having a wing-shape. On my video Ep. 4 - "Critical rudder issue - Found while restoring" you can take a close look at the rudder shape. ruclips.net/video/Kl-J6uUPCuw/видео.html
@@hsobstad Thanks for the reply and great youtube content. I will check out your Ep.4 video. I have a Hans Christian 38 traditional with a full keel and a large rudder, and its very heavy at sea, but it does keep the boat heading wherever you want. Except while backing in a marina (bow thruster needed)
@@youngypaul I love the Hans Christian´s. They are very nautical (feels like a ship), looks to be well built and are very beautiful. Seems to be inspired by the Norwegian Colin Archer design (rescue-boats, VERY sea worthy). The Fishers are also inspired by them. Here in Norway, with our "great" weather I prefer the pilothouse design, for comfort reasons. The rudder is actually quite large. I did rebuilt it a bit, as can be seen in the video. I put some balance onto it (adding in front of the rudder-shaft), to make it bigger but slightly lighter to handle. 😊
Hi my friend nice to see the old girl getting fixed NOW GET HER BACk to tip top condition and enjoy sailing her and you will make this old pomme very happy cheers n beers Marty Australia
Ahh to live vicariously through you… I have always liked the Fishers and thought it’d be nice to have one to call my own. Very interested to see what more you have planned
That in a huge amount of progress! Happy to see you do it right, and not just a quick fix. She 'll keep you busy though....But Well worth it when she is in a usable state.
@@hsobstad Lol thats working on old houses boats cars ....etc...never quite as simple when you take the lid off and have to take a long look at the hidden bits.
Ooh, I've dealt with that kind of anti-slip mats too. it can be a proper challenge to remove them and the glue residue. I discovered that a cork sanding block was just strong enough to rub the glue off without damaging the gelcoat.
The hull deck joint is 2 overlapping 2-3 inch wide flanges of fiberglass, each about 1/4 inch thick. The lifeline stanchions through bolt though both flanges, with the nuts and washer deep inside the hollow bulwarks. The teak cap rails also bolt to this flange. Water typically leaks in where the sections of cap rail meet (splice).and follow fastenings. I have no experience in freezing climates. But I "think" water which leaks in past failed sealants then freezes and expands, and this causes real damage that would never be seen in temperate climates. After a thaw more rain can and will then pour in. Repeat every year and my guess is this kind of damage occur. Of course, since the silly liner closes off all access to the hollow bulwarks it collects leaking water, and falls off. 40+ years of N. California rain and sun 35F to 95F hardly phased my 30 - although a previous owner did (wisely) remove all the vinyl liner. The aluminum framed ports in all old fishers will leak, and need to be carefully removed and rebedded with modern sealant. Corrosion may be an issue, but is obvious. The bronze ports also need to be carefully removed and sealed. in boats from any climate, due to age, sun .
I guess you more or less nails it with this explanation. Can add that the fact that the hull flange is bent inward does add to the leaking, once the Sikaflex is cracking up... :-)
That must be heart breaking , but it looks 100 times better already . I must admit , i was never a fan of the Fisher , but there is no denying they were safe , reliable , well built boat , but to see one like this , i really am lost for words . Keep up the good work my friend , like i said . It looks better already , and when it's finished , when ! , it will be that same well built boat again . Got to answer a question though , how did you remove the treadmaster ? . I suspect heat to warm the glue , then a good yank . I ask , as i'm considering a similar aged boat , but completely different design . I've never being a fan of the stuff , and the deck is covered in it .
Thanks for your kind comment. Soon to start up the work after the winter now... I like the Fishers for two reasons. 1) Very seaworthy 2) Reminds me of the old Colin Archers - I like the nostalgic wooden-boat wibe it has. TreadMaster: I mostly used a stiff and sharp scraper and forced it horizontally between the deck and the treadmaster pads. Then removing the rest with a traditional paint scraper (like removing anti-foulding). The old glue I machine-sanded off with 40-grit paper. Heat did´nt work well in this case. Only made the glue sticky. Best of luck with your coming boat! 🙂
@@hsobstad No mate , credit where credit's due . I've watched all your Fisher updates now , and it has to be said , that vessel no longer looks the same craft . Yes , still much to do , but you're off to a seriously good start . It's a shame the weather affected the paint finish , but the important thing is , it was protected . I can tell you , the weather's holding me up as well right now . I've got a job on hold due to the weather , myself . With luck it won't be much longer . I'm not quite sure where you are , you were unflagged running back to the marina , but i suspect it's either Norway , or Denmark . Over here we've had nothing but rain of late , with many areas dealing with floods . Yes they are reminiscent of Colin Archer designs , certainly a 36 foot design , i looked at a long time ago . Several companies tried to copy them , Colvic with the Watson series , Nauticat . Actually i seem to recall the Atlantic was also similar , yet another Colvic design . The design i'm looking at is an Alan Buchanan , and around the same age . There's nothing solid yet , i need to sort a few issues out first , hah transporting being one , but i'm pretty close to declaring an interest . Thank you anyway . With regard to the treadmaster , i was hoping you had found a better way . I removed some on my old boat , and that was a task . Like yours it had started to lift , and looked terrible . Your method is pretty much the same one , that i used , but thanks anyway , it was worth a try .
@@mickey1299 West coast of Norway, Bergen, is my place. I have googled Alan Buchanans boat-designs of the late 50ies and 60ies. They are sort of similar to the old classic wooden sailing-yachts. Long-keeled, which is great. Beautiful hull-design. Not like the more bath-tub Fishers 😀 Check the possible boats well. I did not. Bought mine on impulse, without inspecting it, from the north of Norway. Got a good price - but as you have seen on the videos, with a lot of issues...!
@@hsobstad Ah Norway , i follow another Viking , Erik Aanderaa , he of NBJS fame , and thought the scenery looked similar . He's a bit further south , at Haugesund . Denmark is a little flatter , but still not that far behind , i just didn't want to call it . Yes i fully intend to , they're 46 years old . I'm not too concerned with the plastic element , but some of the fittings are worrying , including a couple , you wouldn't normally consider . The stern tubes ! . Either could well turn into a major refit anyway , but i would be left with a true deep water boat . I'm down to a couple , one is in a bit of a state , and over priced . It's also being hacked about a bit , but the other , appears in good condition , and priced about right , again considering it's 46 years old . Funny thing is , i nearly brought one 25 years ago .
@@mickey1299 I considered changing the stern tube on my Fisher. Its made of brass, I think. But it seems to me it should be in great condition. This assumption due to the fact it has been wired to a galvanic anode. The through-hulls were not. Still they were in excellent condition when I removed all of them due to age. The biggest surprise was surely the rudder (you have seen the video, as I understand). Very dangerous. Glad I fund the fault before setting to sea.
I am a retired Sailor, mainly small boats. I am getting interested in Pilot House type Sailboats similar to this one. I like the features/benefits of these boats as compared to regular Sailboat of similar size. Please provide some more details on the Shipping costs to transfer the boat from Norway to where it is now. Where is it? Additionally, why didn't you put the boat on "The Hard," it going to be very difficult to do the work while the boat is in the water, not to mention the items needed below the Water Line. Finally what are is your estimate of Time and Money to get things ShipShape, vs buying a Boat that doesn't need everything. I normally buy "Basket Cases" regardless if it is a House/Car/Motorcycle/Boat, you name it, I enjoy the challenge.
Hello Pat. Thanks for your comment. I will try to answer your questions. I also like the pilot house-type before standing outside to steer the boat. Here, on the west-coast of Norway there is a lot of "weather" so great to be able to have a sheltered place to pilot the boat. The boat is still in Norway, though in southern part of Norway, by the city of Bergen. The distance transported was about 480 nautical miles. The cost was about 1885 USD or 1575 GBP. But may not be relevant for you since it is domestic transport. Why not on "the hard"? You are absolutely right. A must to get on the hard. In this video I was still waiting for space. The three newest videos are from the work on "the hard". Time/money-estimate? Well that is a though one. I will try though.... Buying a new boat like this one - if at all possible to get - usually means it would be VERY expensive and at the same time a production-boat meant to berth 6 people. That would mean it is not well suited for me, mostly sailing alone. Buying a very well (worn out) used boat like this means (to me) fully customising the interior. Picking whatever technical equipment I find important or nice. It means a lot of work, a lot of pricy technical stuff, but in the end a boat of my dreams, in near new condition and for less than half the price. I recon between 1/3 and 1/2 price, but then with top notch technical stuff. Just this Black Friday I bought a brand new windlass (Quick Hector 1000), anchor chain, septic tank, Feit membrane pump to empty septic and much more. I keep collecting stuff I need for the boat when it´s on sale. I have bought new autopilot, wind instruments, network, speedsensor, hydraulic steering system etc. I buy some second hand, but a lot of second hand stuff is....second hand (quite worn and not to trust). Winches can be an example of something to buy second hand. I will install only one hugh bed in the front and one in the aft cabin. I will make a head/shower at least twice the size of the original. I dont need a separate room to eat. Just open space as a very small living-room. Timewise I will need 3 years to get it near finished I guess. But I will only spend half of that, not using the boat. That is my present thoughts anyway... 🙂 Like you, I enjoy the challenge of making this boat work and think that the process will make me more happy with the boat when it is finished, than to buy a new (compromise) boat to just insert the key and start up. And I love the old Fishers. Reminds me of old Norwegian wooden boats (eg Colin Archers). Keeps me in the right mood ;-)
The Rudders look like they will be ineffective in heavy seas or maneuvering around the marina
Hi Paul. That is of course interesting to read, please add some details.
I have not heard that about the rudders on these boats, but being long-keeled they resist turning so a bow-thruster is great in port. Unlike the Colvic Watson-boats that has problems with their rudders due to two factors: 1) the cavitation created in front of the propeller due to a wide sternpost, and 2) their rudders are just a flat piece of metal instead of having a wing-shape.
On my video Ep. 4 - "Critical rudder issue - Found while restoring" you can take a close look at the rudder shape. ruclips.net/video/Kl-J6uUPCuw/видео.html
@@hsobstad Thanks for the reply and great youtube content. I will check out your Ep.4 video. I have a Hans Christian 38 traditional with a full keel and a large rudder, and its very heavy at sea, but it does keep the boat heading wherever you want. Except while backing in a marina (bow thruster needed)
@@youngypaul I love the Hans Christian´s. They are very nautical (feels like a ship), looks to be well built and are very beautiful. Seems to be inspired by the Norwegian Colin Archer design (rescue-boats, VERY sea worthy). The Fishers are also inspired by them. Here in Norway, with our "great" weather I prefer the pilothouse design, for comfort reasons.
The rudder is actually quite large. I did rebuilt it a bit, as can be seen in the video. I put some balance onto it (adding in front of the rudder-shaft), to make it bigger but slightly lighter to handle. 😊
Hi my friend nice to see the old girl getting fixed NOW GET HER BACk to tip top condition and enjoy sailing her and you will make this old pomme very happy cheers n beers Marty Australia
Thanks Marty. Doing my best. It´s a long way though....!
You have made a sound start to the repair work.😀👍
Ahh to live vicariously through you… I have always liked the Fishers and thought it’d be nice to have one to call my own. Very interested to see what more you have planned
Hi Ric. Thanks for your kind comment. I should have enough stuff for a few videos to come. Next should be ready for upload Sunday... 🙂
That in a huge amount of progress! Happy to see you do it right, and not just a quick fix. She 'll keep you busy though....But Well worth it when she is in a usable state.
Thanks for your supportive words 🙂
Keep it up friend youve done a lot of fiddly work so far ...hope it all goes smoother as you progress. 🤞🏼🧙♂️👍
Thank you. Next video will definitely reveal some issues....so not so smooth...yet 🙂
@@hsobstad
Lol thats working on old houses boats cars ....etc...never quite as simple when you take the lid off and have to take a long look at the hidden bits.
Ooh, I've dealt with that kind of anti-slip mats too. it can be a proper challenge to remove them and the glue residue. I discovered that a cork sanding block was just strong enough to rub the glue off without damaging the gelcoat.
Yes, David, a frustrating experience. Ended up painting it all - twice! (a later video than this). Thanks for your input.
I've been waiting for your repair videos to start. Great work.
Thanks! Next video not far away.... ;-)
The hull deck joint is 2 overlapping 2-3 inch wide flanges of fiberglass, each about 1/4 inch thick. The lifeline stanchions through bolt though both flanges, with the nuts and washer deep inside the hollow bulwarks. The teak cap rails also bolt to this flange. Water typically leaks in where the sections of cap rail meet (splice).and follow fastenings. I have no experience in freezing climates. But I "think" water which leaks in past failed sealants then freezes and expands, and this causes real damage that would never be seen in temperate climates. After a thaw more rain can and will then pour in. Repeat every year and my guess is this kind of damage occur. Of course, since the silly liner closes off all access to the hollow bulwarks it collects leaking water, and falls off. 40+ years of N. California rain and sun 35F to 95F hardly phased my 30 - although a previous owner did (wisely) remove all the vinyl liner. The aluminum framed ports in all old fishers will leak, and need to be carefully removed and rebedded with modern sealant. Corrosion may be an issue, but is obvious. The bronze ports also need to be carefully removed and sealed. in boats from any climate, due to age, sun .
I guess you more or less nails it with this explanation. Can add that the fact that the hull flange is bent inward does add to the leaking, once the Sikaflex is cracking up... :-)
That must be heart breaking , but it looks 100 times better already . I must admit , i was never a fan of the Fisher , but there is no denying they were safe , reliable , well built boat , but to see one like this , i really am lost for words .
Keep up the good work my friend , like i said . It looks better already , and when it's finished , when ! , it will be that same well built boat again .
Got to answer a question though , how did you remove the treadmaster ? . I suspect heat to warm the glue , then a good yank .
I ask , as i'm considering a similar aged boat , but completely different design . I've never being a fan of the stuff , and the deck is covered in it .
Thanks for your kind comment. Soon to start up the work after the winter now...
I like the Fishers for two reasons. 1) Very seaworthy 2) Reminds me of the old Colin Archers - I like the nostalgic wooden-boat wibe it has.
TreadMaster: I mostly used a stiff and sharp scraper and forced it horizontally between the deck and the treadmaster pads. Then removing the rest with a traditional paint scraper (like removing anti-foulding). The old glue I machine-sanded off with 40-grit paper. Heat did´nt work well in this case. Only made the glue sticky.
Best of luck with your coming boat! 🙂
@@hsobstad No mate , credit where credit's due . I've watched all your Fisher updates now , and it has to be said , that vessel no longer looks the same craft . Yes , still much to do , but you're off to a seriously good start . It's a shame the weather affected the paint finish , but the important thing is , it was protected . I can tell you , the weather's holding me up as well right now . I've got a job on hold due to the weather , myself . With luck it won't be much longer .
I'm not quite sure where you are , you were unflagged running back to the marina , but i suspect it's either Norway , or Denmark . Over here we've had nothing but rain of late , with many areas dealing with floods .
Yes they are reminiscent of Colin Archer designs , certainly a 36 foot design , i looked at a long time ago . Several companies tried to copy them , Colvic with the Watson series , Nauticat . Actually i seem to recall the Atlantic was also similar , yet another Colvic design . The design i'm looking at is an Alan Buchanan , and around the same age . There's nothing solid yet , i need to sort a few issues out first , hah transporting being one , but i'm pretty close to declaring an interest . Thank you anyway .
With regard to the treadmaster , i was hoping you had found a better way . I removed some on my old boat , and that was a task . Like yours it had started to lift , and looked terrible . Your method is pretty much the same one , that i used , but thanks anyway , it was worth a try .
@@mickey1299 West coast of Norway, Bergen, is my place. I have googled Alan Buchanans boat-designs of the late 50ies and 60ies. They are sort of similar to the old classic wooden sailing-yachts. Long-keeled, which is great. Beautiful hull-design. Not like the more bath-tub Fishers 😀
Check the possible boats well. I did not. Bought mine on impulse, without inspecting it, from the north of Norway. Got a good price - but as you have seen on the videos, with a lot of issues...!
@@hsobstad Ah Norway , i follow another Viking , Erik Aanderaa , he of NBJS fame , and thought the scenery looked similar . He's a bit further south , at Haugesund . Denmark is a little flatter , but still not that far behind , i just didn't want to call it .
Yes i fully intend to , they're 46 years old . I'm not too concerned with the plastic element , but some of the fittings are worrying , including a couple , you wouldn't normally consider .
The stern tubes ! .
Either could well turn into a major refit anyway , but i would be left with a true deep water boat . I'm down to a couple , one is in a bit of a state , and over priced . It's also being hacked about a bit , but the other , appears in good condition , and priced about right , again considering it's 46 years old . Funny thing is , i nearly brought one 25 years ago .
@@mickey1299 I considered changing the stern tube on my Fisher. Its made of brass, I think. But it seems to me it should be in great condition. This assumption due to the fact it has been wired to a galvanic anode. The through-hulls were not. Still they were in excellent condition when I removed all of them due to age. The biggest surprise was surely the rudder (you have seen the video, as I understand). Very dangerous. Glad I fund the fault before setting to sea.
👍🏼👌🏼
I am a retired Sailor, mainly small boats. I am getting interested in Pilot House type Sailboats similar to this one. I like the features/benefits of these boats as compared to regular Sailboat of similar size.
Please provide some more details on the Shipping costs to transfer the boat from Norway to where it is now. Where is it? Additionally, why didn't you put the boat on "The Hard," it going to be very difficult to do the work while the boat is in the water, not to mention the items needed below the Water Line. Finally what are is your estimate of Time and Money to get things ShipShape, vs buying a Boat that doesn't need everything. I normally buy "Basket Cases" regardless if it is a House/Car/Motorcycle/Boat, you name it, I enjoy the challenge.
Hello Pat. Thanks for your comment. I will try to answer your questions.
I also like the pilot house-type before standing outside to steer the boat. Here, on the west-coast of Norway there is a lot of "weather" so great to be able to have a sheltered place to pilot the boat.
The boat is still in Norway, though in southern part of Norway, by the city of Bergen. The distance transported was about 480 nautical miles. The cost was about 1885 USD or 1575 GBP. But may not be relevant for you since it is domestic transport.
Why not on "the hard"? You are absolutely right. A must to get on the hard. In this video I was still waiting for space. The three newest videos are from the work on "the hard".
Time/money-estimate? Well that is a though one. I will try though.... Buying a new boat like this one - if at all possible to get - usually means it would be VERY expensive and at the same time a production-boat meant to berth 6 people. That would mean it is not well suited for me, mostly sailing alone.
Buying a very well (worn out) used boat like this means (to me) fully customising the interior. Picking whatever technical equipment I find important or nice. It means a lot of work, a lot of pricy technical stuff, but in the end a boat of my dreams, in near new condition and for less than half the price. I recon between 1/3 and 1/2 price, but then with top notch technical stuff.
Just this Black Friday I bought a brand new windlass (Quick Hector 1000), anchor chain, septic tank, Feit membrane pump to empty septic and much more. I keep collecting stuff I need for the boat when it´s on sale. I have bought new autopilot, wind instruments, network, speedsensor, hydraulic steering system etc. I buy some second hand, but a lot of second hand stuff is....second hand (quite worn and not to trust). Winches can be an example of something to buy second hand.
I will install only one hugh bed in the front and one in the aft cabin. I will make a head/shower at least twice the size of the original. I dont need a separate room to eat. Just open space as a very small living-room.
Timewise I will need 3 years to get it near finished I guess. But I will only spend half of that, not using the boat. That is my present thoughts anyway... 🙂
Like you, I enjoy the challenge of making this boat work and think that the process will make me more happy with the boat when it is finished, than to buy a new (compromise) boat to just insert the key and start up.
And I love the old Fishers. Reminds me of old Norwegian wooden boats (eg Colin Archers). Keeps me in the right mood ;-)