We have been avoiding this brand, lack of power, range, etc. Now if a S 73 comes our way, I would do this "build" right away. Bike in house, hdmi to the big screen, Segment to segment on pause and a whole lotta replay. This video, gives me SUPER confidence. Subbed, liked and most obvious commented. Excellent how to and a bit of NOT to!
Wow Tom, thank you for the kind words. I am not affiliated with grin , super73 or anyone. So getting comments like yours are the reward for me. Thank you making me feel like my time is appreciated sir. I am working on getting all the oem features tied in as well. Just doing it on my budget and on the weekends when I can. Hopefully at some point you get to do it all, and I really look forward to hearing about it.
@@TheNewYorkDiver I may pick up an X class for under a grand and start a project, I need a back up to the Grizz V2 since the rear motor 08H code is on display.
Hi so this is just a battery and controller swap? No display? What happens with the original app to control? What make etc is the kit you have. Just deciding to buy a 73 but need a bit more out of it. And you seem to know some good shit
love the upgrades you have done especially with that programming software is sick would love to do the same thing with the g force zm when I get one well done
Yes I’ve been waiting for this. I’m doing the same build on my Ariel rider x class (minus the 72 V battery). Nonetheless, I’m hoping this video can help me understand more on the programming side of things. Thanks again for the tips! This bike looks sick!
Awesome video! very clear. 7:20 If you have some nylon string you could tape it to end of wire you pulled out. Then pulling new wire is much easier as you have a pull string.
Thank you for watching John. As someone new to doing RUclips and all the editing the simplest tasks can be tough. I am trying to figure it out though. Hopefully it was okay and easy to follow along.
@@BuildItTuneItEV I have the R so no lights, but was still curious about hooking the lights back up to the phase runner. Maybe I just missed that part though.
So this is the first part of the build. I had these components around from previous builds, and I just received it (4 days ago from writing this). I plan on using a step down converter like s73 does. I enjoyed the horn and the lights. I plan on trying to document the build all the way out, incase anyone wants to duplicate any of it.
Great video! When mounting your controller to the frame, you should use a 3mm thermal pad. It will help dissipate heat and reduce vibration. I like the Frankenrunner (ASI - BAC855) better than the Phaserunner and it will handle more current. If you are going to swap your drive motor out to 3-5Kw, use BAC4000.
Brother, thanks for the video. One question: where can I get a battery for the Indian Super 73? I live outside the USA and the official websites don't give me an answer. Thanks!
This is an amazing video for too many reasons to count. I'm planning on upgrading my S2 to a 72v system, but I'm hesitant because I've never seen someone do what I'm trying to achieve. Your video gives me the confidence to at least give it a shot! It's been 2 years since you made this, how's the stock motor holding up?
Liked and Subscribed ⚡🤙 Thanks for making such a detailed video showing the modding process. This is the what I've been searching for! I've had my S2 for almost 2 years and I'm finally ready to do this.
Hi, how did you determine the pole pairs for programming? I am finding limited info on this so wondering if you actually cracked the motor open to count? Also what is the gear reduction ratio of this motor? The app instructions say you need to multiply the pole pairs by the gear ratio to get the correct number for auto tuning. Someone on reddit claimed the rx motor had 16 pole pairs, which if the ratio is 5:1 for example that would make the number you input 80. Bafang fat tire units seem to be 10 pole pairs and 5:1 which gives you 50 to enter into the software. Just wanted to know how you decided on the number you did. Thanks!
Great video! So can these motors basically handle any amount of power you throw at them or what? I would assume they just decay at a much faster rate than stock power?
Can you do this with the stock SUPER73 battery that it comes with and still follow every step? Like the controller, computer software to set it and all that.
Hey man love the video. I’ve ordered the frankenrunner and the cycle analyst for my s2. I want to keep the stock motor and battery, do you have any links for the adapter to connect the battery to the frankenrunner?
What's speeding bros. Last night a friend came over to show me a Super73ZX that has obviously been through hell and back. The entire bike has been rewired and hacked and resembles a Frankenstein creation. I mulled around figuring what I should do. Restore? Rebuild? Then my friend shot me an idea. Why not put a gas engine on it? I know, I know it is counterintuitive and ecologically irresponsible but I like the idea. Any suggestions or opinions on this build idea?
Hey, great video. I have a question do you have to upgrade the battery or can you leave it as stock. Would this affect the bike at all. Still new to this sort of stuff, anything would help. Thank you!
@@nathanielparker7996 He swaps out the OEM battery for his own batter, because he sells the OEM for profit. Which pays for his controller and other stuff that's why he replaces it.
@@yetssay4556 72v swap means battery swap. With stock motor. Including the install of the controller required to run this high voltage battery on the stock motor
I wish the controller came with a motor cable that's 3 feet longer to feed it through the tube. So I'm guessing this controller does not work with any of the stock Super73 electronics like the power on handle bar buttons and no way of telling the level of battery without the factory display?
They sell a extension on Amazon for 30.00 l1019. You just need a step down converter to run the lighting. I have a full pnp kit I’ll be releasing on the site. Just working with higo now.
When battery's dead, do hub motors resist pedaling? Or do they free wheel? Can a 52v battery be put on a 48v motor for more speed? What's a good source for a "Y" connector cable for adding a parallel battery to the original for more range?
Yes, a hub motor you will feel each pole if your pedaling. There is no internal clutch to bypass the electrical resistance. You can over volt a hub almost in every single case, ( some motors have internal controllers which that would not be true) Not sure on the a good source for that cable yet sadly.
@@BuildItTuneItEV Thanks for your time and expertise. I got the idea of a Mid/Hub hybrid after watching a vid on pros and cons of each. IS it true geared hub motors are limited in speed bit direct drive hubmotors have no limit?
@@johnw65 Other way around, with a hub motor once you pick a motor and voltage you can only change tire size, or more voltage to go faster (without getting into field weakening) With a mid drive unit its as easy a gear change. The problem with mid drive is frame flex, chain line. I own both BBS-HD setups and Hub motors. It comes down to your usage. What do you do with the bike? With this info I can help come up with the best solution.
@@BuildItTuneItEV I was thinking of making a Bee-Challenger into a hybrid Hub/Mid 60mph cruiser, By blending a 52V25AH with it's 48V30AH for extended range and more pwr from the 50V average. 90% paved road/hwy use and some dirt occasionally
Now that I’ve finished watching this. I’d say great video! I might have to hit you about the Battery Limitations section in the Phase Runner suite. I’m running it on the stock 48V 16AH battery, but the amps is still what is confusing me because the battery doesn’t list that info. Any idea how I can calculate that or use a volt meter to determine that info?
You would need to open battery or find what bms is used. If you know the cells used, the nickel strip thickness and bms you can push it. It’s a bit of a pain when using oem battery’s. Super73 for example uses fused nickel on the battery’s and are not great for performance or high discharge.
@@BuildItTuneItEV lol dammit, I didn’t want to that, but in the name of DIY. I’m down. If anything I’ll just may invest in a 72 volt and call it a day. I saw your original post on the Facebook, but I didn’t feel like joining another ebike group (I’m in the x-class modders group). So if anything is it cool to dm you on Facebook for further questions?
I do build battery’s and ship as I worked with a local shipping company on proper packing labeling and box. How ever they are not the most affordable as when I build them I use only the top quality parts. Pure nickel, Molicel or Samsung cells, and tons of protection and care when building. I actually take photos of the inside of the battery before shipping, not many builders are willing to do that. Hopefully the website will be up soon.
2 questions I'm planning on doing this 72 volt setup on my zx. how fast could you push the zx top speed using this setup and second question I didn't see the e-brake connection to new controller I'm assuming when you press the brake it cuts power to the motor?
Hey man! Great video. Love your content. I am planning to make custom battery and order the frankenrunner controller. I am now thinking hard how to connect everything. I think i know now: Pas connector, going to connect the torque sensor and throtlle paralel to an custom harness, to be able to pedal and throttle. CA2 display no clue what i need or can do with it. Main connector: would want the eggrider or orignal display, but i dont know the pin order of those displays. Maybe you can advise me what to do and how to connect everything?
I actually am working on my own kit. How ever you would need the following. Eggrider display (if you want a display) Or a cycle analyst. Both are a display and tuning device. Next you will need a step down converter to lower your battery voltage to the 12v needed to power the lighting and horn. Next the frankenrunner can handle the pas, (although I have not tested it) so you would need to sort the tuning. I am working with a harness maker at the moment to get a full kit going, just takes some time to get it all together.
@@BuildItTuneItEV I would really want the stock torque sensor, but will add custom throttle, lovely would be egg rider or super 73 display itself. Any idea on the time for the kit? Since I want to support you so will wait before ordering parts until you sell the kit :), want to support your efforts
@@samhoekstra3356 I am hoping around Christmas time. I know its not close, how ever waiting to finish up the harness order. If you look back I just posted a video 5 days ago out testing the voltage step down kit. So Before placing the order for the harness just been ensuring everything is okay! Had to take into consideration handlebar height for different bikes, the horn, if you look in the video I am using a replacement brake clamp with switch for headlights to keep it clean and stealth. I do not mind helping you get a kit together sooner, I am more in this for the community than the dollar. I've tuned 5-6 bikes now with this setup and just want to see others out and enjoying it. As I make the tune better I update the base map in the video. I am testing a version now with some more low end tq and other settings.
@@BuildItTuneItEV If you could mail me, I really appreciate it, if you can create custom kit for me !! I ofcourse reward good :D I could show my current bike, to give some pictures etc !:)
what’s the max battery amps the phaserunner can handle? on the grin site it has it listed as 40 amps but i saw in you there video when you were comparing battery voltages you on screen overlay showed you hitting over 60amps, is that right? thanks, and sweet videos! definitely sub’d
I got the frankenrunner Getting a 52v 21ah 60Amps discharge, haven’t put anything together yet, any thought on what kind of performance that will get me? mainly my goal was to get more torque and hopefully get close to 40mph.
I built this one, how ever I seen this on AliExpress which looks to be a decent spec. Can’t say for sure it’s quality. US $573.99 30％ Off | Ebike Li-ion Battery Pack 72V 60V 52V 48V 36V 45Ah 20Ah Lithium ion Electric Bicycle Scooter Motorbike Batteries 250W-3000W a.aliexpress.com/_mNrzASU
@@BuildItTuneItEV I have no throttle connection yet. Franken runner comes with 6, 8, 9 pin connections. If I want to use the stock throttle how would I do this.
@@BuildItTuneItEV Ahh I did some research and purchased a CA. That answered a lot of questions i had. Thank you for the quick response. Cant wait for your new videos!
Bro how did you get it to do 50? I'm also running 72 V 20 amp hours hundred amp BMS.225 peak amps and grin techs go62 d.i.y kit on a 26 fat bike and only get 31mph please help
@@BuildItTuneItEV Is that your personal tomb in the video when you hook up your face? Runner. To the comput tutor after it says success if so I will just replicate it.
What would the difference be if I chose to keep the OEM stock Super73 48v battery with this frankenrunner? I'm not looking for a great deal of more speed, just want more torque. I have a Bafang Luna Cycle Hot Rodded Middrive installed in addition to the stock rear hub running off a luna wolf 52v 13.5 ah battery and was curious about boosting the stock motor with this controller. Will an Eggrider V2 display work with this controller? I'm confused on whether or not a display can be attached with this frankenrunner controller. Thanks for your work this is really the best and most helpful video I have seen on super73 builds.
wow totally amazing. So I want to keep original battery like you mentioned, I'll just have to purchase the frankenrunner controller with a L615AM adapter so that it will connect to the factory battery? And of course I will have to find a new display correct?
Thank you! You would need that adapter which would give you a pigtail from the oem battery harness. This will allow you to power the bike. When purchasing the Frankenrunner you can pair it with the Grin Cycle analyst like I’ll be doing soon and have a display, and the ability to tune and monitor. If you have some time, check out my cycle analyst video from a few weeks ago. Not the “coolest” looking screen, but if you like tech. It has it all :)
As seen only 15 miles or so. Small battery inside, can be built for more range in same case. Also there is a “tank style 21700 72v 20AH” battery on Ali express that would be perfect for this swap.
@@BuildItTuneItEV Thanks for that! As others were saying. You think theres a good longevity of the motor to go this route or just get a 3000w/5000w motor?
do you think the motor would be able to handle this much power? im planning on doing something similar to what you did but im afraid if the motor wpuld be able to handle it as i ride long rides like around 28 miles
Power = Wattage. Think of wattage like a space heater, the more wattage the more heat. If you ride now for a long ride, get off the bike and touch motor.. If its hot probably not, if its not then you got some room to go :)
hey there! Do you know how to get rid of the speed limiter on the SUPER73 r or rx? And can it go more than 28 mph stock if you get rid of it? If not, how are you getting it above 28 mph without getting rid of speed limiter?
Well I made this one myself, the case Is called a dp7. www.electrifybike.com/products/72v-50-amp-12-ah-mega-shark-e-bike-battery Here is one, if you want to have more range you would need two. And mount the second like the Malibu has it in the down tube.
@@ChrisHa I run this battery on my z1. Riding together with my rx on the stock pack I easily get more range than the 20ah rx with my 12ah 30q pack. I come home with my z1 at at 59-60% and the rx at 30% not to mention the z1 is twice as fast.
@@Psyrecx yeah it’s close. But they use a different manufacturer. Only so many ways to make them look. You could replace it with a bafang fat hub. Super73 does not typically use higher end parts.
I bought this one is this correct because you are using a different model and what is the difference? CUSTOMIZE FRANKENRUNNER_L10 CONTROLLER FRANKENRUNNER CONTROLLER Frankenrunner Controller with Over-molded L1019 Motor Connector and WP8 CA Plug. 87V Max Battery Voltage and 96A Peak Phase Currents (~55A at Thermal Rollback).
@@BuildItTuneItEV I still need to buy the battery but yes I could use some help. I have a malibu and I want to use the same throttle, brakes and display and make sue my pedal assist still works because I have a 10 speed just recently installed on it.
@@Bam.B8m I plan on getting everything working, but right now only with no screen. Soon i'll do part two with a screen and pas and brakes working. How ever you can run it without all that in the mean time or just wait until I figure it all out. I just do it to help, I dont work for Grin or get any kick backs or discounts. So its all on my own dime.
@@BuildItTuneItEV that's makes sense. I appreciate the help. I can't wait until you figure it out and then convert the bike. Right now I am collecting all the pieces.
When you do this Mod What stops working? Does the DC converter plug right into the controller? Been waiting for something like this!!! 👊😎 Can I purchase parts from you?
I just completed the set up but I’m getting an controller over voltage fault. Not to sure what I did wrong. I messaged you on Facebook messenger to see if you could help me out. Thanks.
I know nothing about modding e bikes but im buying a super73 s2, and I reall want to mod it so its able to hit a top speed of 50mph, but I also want it to have some serious range, like 100 actual miles of range. Does anyone know if this would be possible?
Awesome video and I definitely want to try this out on my R, only thing I’m worried about is doing this right. I plan on using a stock battery and another battery like the chi battery together, it includes a battery cradle that has a Y splitter wire, would I be able to use that for the controller?
So I guess I was just wondering if it has to be one 72v battery as opposed to the stock battery plus another battery that’s probably 48v or maybe even another 72v battery
@@BuildItTuneItEV Oh same, I'm in my 40's so I wanted to sell mine and was actually listing it when it was stolen. Scumbags, I hope the 3 broken spokes broke their arms.
Mr. Build IT, any word on you setting up an AMZ type thing so I can start purchasing thru you? ( with a bit of guidance)?? I promise not to be a pain in the neck. Also we live in Ventura, CA my wife and I ride trails, low tide beach. SSShhhhh don't tell anyone. But open invitation any time.
I finally bit the bullet as well thanks to you. The Frankenrunner wont be in for a couple weeks and the CA. It gives me time to decide on the 72v battery. I'll run through the video again as it gets closer to install time and tuning. 1 question. On a S73 RX, if essentially everything is stock but the controller at first, does that kill the factory PA function? if so, then I need to grab a Grin PA kit like you were mentioning for a future video ?
Did you mean PAS? Pedal assist system? Just used to it being abbreviated that way. I am waiting for my new CA to show up as I sold the last one with the bike I sold. Once it arrives I plan on making a video getting it all working!
@@BuildItTuneItEV Yes, Yes, I apologize about that. Yeah the PAS. I am guessing the stock Super73 RX PAS is disabled with a phase runner/frankenrunner controller or am I incorrect? If so - I am guessing that I would just need to purchase a PAS from Grin to go along with the new controller to retain that function ?
@@jamestiller On the phaserunner it is disabled, I am not 200% sure on the bac855, it technically should be a feature, unsure if its pinned out. The CA from grin is what typically handles pas, it takes the pas signal and simply converts it to a throttle out signal. So pas in to CA, CA throttle out to controller.
@@BuildItTuneItEV ok, PERFECT, thank you. The Frankrenunner and CA3 already shipped and should be here tomorrow. Wow, much faster than expected.... And being able to see and work with the parts should answer some questions as well so I don't overload you with questions before I even lay hands on things.
and just to add on ....since I couldn't seem to be able to read before (excitement in ordering something 🙃) The Frankenrunner L1019 itself has a 6-pin HiGo MiniB Male for PAS and torque sensor.
Don’t use the quotation marks, it’s been downloaded like 30 times or so, I’ll check it again. But it should 100% work, someone just downloaded it this morning and said it worked.
I heard about the legendary super '72' and wondered just how tough the Bafang G60 Hubs were, very nice job mate!
We have been avoiding this brand, lack of power, range, etc.
Now if a S 73 comes our way, I would do this "build" right away.
Bike in house, hdmi to the big screen, Segment to segment on pause
and a whole lotta replay. This video, gives me SUPER confidence.
Subbed, liked and most obvious commented. Excellent how to and a bit of NOT to!
Wow Tom, thank you for the kind words.
I am not affiliated with grin , super73 or anyone. So getting comments like yours are the reward for me. Thank you making me feel like my time is appreciated sir.
I am working on getting all the oem features tied in as well. Just doing it on my budget and on the weekends when I can.
Hopefully at some point you get to do it all, and I really look forward to hearing about it.
@@BuildItTuneItEV Currently we have AR Grizz V 2 under 9 more months of warranty, sooooo, wellll maybe sooner build.
I just completed this build with him and he was super helpful and its fast.
@@TheNewYorkDiver I may pick up an X class for under a grand and start a project, I need a back up to the Grizz V2 since the rear motor 08H code is on display.
Hi so this is just a battery and controller swap? No display? What happens with the original app to control? What make etc is the kit you have. Just deciding to buy a 73 but need a bit more out of it. And you seem to know some good shit
This guy out here doing the lord’s work
haha, thanks Brian.
love the upgrades you have done especially with that programming software is sick would love to do the same thing with the g force zm when I get one well done
what upgrades have you done to this bike like the controller/battery/motor to connect to that programming software
Two thumbs up! Hey Michael, the smaller device was the DC to DC step down converter for the 12V stuff.
Yes I’ve been waiting for this. I’m doing the same build on my Ariel rider x class (minus the 72 V battery). Nonetheless, I’m hoping this video can help me understand more on the programming side of things. Thanks again for the tips! This bike looks sick!
Be curious to hear how it worked on the Xclass... just added a second motor to mine and would love to squeeze more out of the stock motor
How did it to? I too have an x class
We're all curious to see how it works out on the Ariel Rider X-Class. Can you give an update?
Awesome vid, great option for riders to keep their stock motor.
I agree!!!! Only the battery i Will like different 20s and about 12-16ah.
Yes, down the road I will probably do a 20AH pack.
I had to build the pack for this bike so wanted to keep it simple incase it didint work out.
Awesome video! very clear. 7:20 If you have some nylon string you could tape it to end of wire you pulled out. Then pulling new wire is much easier as you have a pull string.
This mod is a game changer, especially if it works on the ZX🧐. Dope vid👊🏾
I’ve tuned them on the zx before!!! So for sure works :)
@@BuildItTuneItEV Oh yeah? How fast we’re you able to push the ZX?
Awesome 👍🏼 thanks for all the work you put into making this video!
Thank you for watching John.
As someone new to doing RUclips and all the editing the simplest tasks can be tough. I am trying to figure it out though. Hopefully it was okay and easy to follow along.
@@BuildItTuneItEV I have the R so no lights, but was still curious about hooking the lights back up to the phase runner. Maybe I just missed that part though.
So this is the first part of the build.
I had these components around from previous builds, and I just received it (4 days ago from writing this). I plan on using a step down converter like s73 does. I enjoyed the horn and the lights.
I plan on trying to document the build all the way out, incase anyone wants to duplicate any of it.
@@BuildItTuneItEV so what you’re saying is that I can still use my brake lights and my indicators plug and play to the phaserunner ?!?
hey i checked the website and the battery isn't on there. Are you going to bring it back in stock?
Great video! When mounting your controller to the frame, you should use a 3mm thermal pad. It will help dissipate heat and reduce vibration. I like the Frankenrunner (ASI - BAC855) better than the Phaserunner and it will handle more current. If you are going to swap your drive motor out to 3-5Kw, use BAC4000.
This was the setup to help others. The bike now uses a bac 8000 :)
Brother, thanks for the video. One question: where can I get a battery for the Indian Super 73? I live outside the USA and the official websites don't give me an answer. Thanks!
This is an amazing video for too many reasons to count. I'm planning on upgrading my S2 to a 72v system, but I'm hesitant because I've never seen someone do what I'm trying to achieve. Your video gives me the confidence to at least give it a shot!
It's been 2 years since you made this, how's the stock motor holding up?
We’re do you buy the batterie
wooooooowwww finaly the vid i wahit for it , keep whit good job man 💪
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Thanks for making such a detailed video showing the modding process. This is the what I've been searching for! I've had my S2 for almost 2 years and I'm finally ready to do this.
Is the rear hub motor a 750 watt motor? ? thanks....
Can i plug and play a phase runner into my yyg br100? Its got a 1200w motor and i want more speed !
I know this video is 2 years old, but will it work for my Super73 RX-SE? I'd really like to improve on the speed of mine.
Hi, how did you determine the pole pairs for programming? I am finding limited info on this so wondering if you actually cracked the motor open to count? Also what is the gear reduction ratio of this motor? The app instructions say you need to multiply the pole pairs by the gear ratio to get the correct number for auto tuning. Someone on reddit claimed the rx motor had 16 pole pairs, which if the ratio is 5:1 for example that would make the number you input 80. Bafang fat tire units seem to be 10 pole pairs and 5:1 which gives you 50 to enter into the software. Just wanted to know how you decided on the number you did. Thanks!
Will this setup work with the original headlight or possibly a kanebilt headlight?
Is this build possible on the Electric Bike co Model J?
Great video! So can these motors basically handle any amount of power you throw at them or what? I would assume they just decay at a much faster rate than stock power?
Can you do this with the stock SUPER73 battery that it comes with and still follow every step? Like the controller, computer software to set it and all that.
Can still use stock display as well?
So does the phase runner controller accommodate the headlight brake light and horn?
What tires are those? They look awesome
Is there any chance super 73 pushes software to stop the chance of the bike working
So we lose the lights? Is there a way to do this and keep all the lights?
Do you have to upgrade the battery to make it this fast?
Is that the blu-tang rx? Its just the lighting that throws me off
Hey man love the video. I’ve ordered the frankenrunner and the cycle analyst for my s2. I want to keep the stock motor and battery, do you have any links for the adapter to connect the battery to the frankenrunner?
Hello do you know I can contact you I got a 60v 20amp battery instead of a 72v can you help me out
How many motor magnets does the Rx have I seen you set 42?
I'm thinking to build a bike and wondering if the Phaserunner controller will work on 52v battery and 1000w rear hub motor?
Apparently the Frankenrunner Controller is discontinued, do you know of any good alternatives
Phaserunner
What's speeding bros. Last night a friend came over to show me a Super73ZX that has obviously been through hell and back. The entire bike has been rewired and hacked and resembles a Frankenstein creation. I mulled around figuring what I should do. Restore? Rebuild? Then my friend shot me an idea. Why not put a gas engine on it? I know, I know it is counterintuitive and ecologically irresponsible but I like the idea. Any suggestions or opinions on this build idea?
So just upping the voltage will make the same low wattage motor faster? The same motor that goes like 28 mph with the 48 volt now goes 50mph?
Yes
Do you still have the wiring
Hey, great video. I have a question do you have to upgrade the battery or can you leave it as stock. Would this affect the bike at all. Still new to this sort of stuff, anything would help. Thank you!
This entire video is about how to install a new 72v battery...
@@nathanielparker7996 No, this whole video is swapping the controller... Then modifying your motor with the new controller.....
@@nathanielparker7996 He swaps out the OEM battery for his own batter, because he sells the OEM for profit. Which pays for his controller and other stuff that's why he replaces it.
@@nathanielparker7996 I might be wrong mb
@@yetssay4556 72v swap means battery swap. With stock motor. Including the install of the controller required to run this high voltage battery on the stock motor
I think a 4 stroke in the middle would be cool if you need to go for a long ride. Just keep some nitril gloves and pocket the chain.
Can you not build a 72v battery pack to fit in the factory case or is it not big enough?
Stock battery is worth almost 1500.00 I would not risk opening it for this. It paid for my new battery and controller.
phase runner is sold out 😪 is there another part available ?
thanks
Frankenrunner, but also sold out. Hopefully back in stock soon :(
I wish the controller came with a motor cable that's 3 feet longer to feed it through the tube.
So I'm guessing this controller does not work with any of the stock Super73 electronics like the power on handle bar buttons and no way of telling the level of battery without the factory display?
They sell a extension on Amazon for 30.00 l1019.
You just need a step down converter to run the lighting.
I have a full pnp kit I’ll be releasing on the site. Just working with higo now.
Is it possible to get more torque , with just a different controller ? And oem battery.
You need a 48V controller that has at least 100 phase amps. Ideally 150 if you want good tq.
@@BuildItTuneItEV do you know about any?
@@Melvin1234587 Votol EM 50, it’s just large.
But it would make it a tq monster even on 48V.
Tuning it would be a small challenge, but if you get one I’d be up for the challenge of tuning it.
Where do you get the aftermarket throttle
Amazon.
What’s the range on the battery?
My ariel rider motor has L10 connector, do you think the frankenrunner and the CA will work with a 60v pack just to get me a little more top speed
Yes I do , I’d be willing to tune it for you to figure it out :)
When battery's dead, do hub motors resist pedaling? Or do they free wheel?
Can a 52v battery be put on a 48v motor for more speed?
What's a good source for a "Y" connector cable for adding a parallel battery to the original for more range?
Yes, a hub motor you will feel each pole if your pedaling. There is no internal clutch to bypass the electrical resistance.
You can over volt a hub almost in every single case, ( some motors have internal controllers which that would not be true)
Not sure on the a good source for that cable yet sadly.
@@BuildItTuneItEV Thanks for your time and expertise. I got the idea of a Mid/Hub hybrid after watching a vid on pros and cons of each. IS it true geared hub motors are limited in speed bit direct drive hubmotors have no limit?
@@johnw65 Other way around, with a hub motor once you pick a motor and voltage you can only change tire size, or more voltage to go faster (without getting into field weakening)
With a mid drive unit its as easy a gear change.
The problem with mid drive is frame flex, chain line. I own both BBS-HD setups and Hub motors.
It comes down to your usage. What do you do with the bike? With this info I can help come up with the best solution.
@@BuildItTuneItEV I was thinking of making a Bee-Challenger into a hybrid Hub/Mid 60mph cruiser, By blending a 52V25AH with it's 48V30AH for extended range and more pwr from the 50V average. 90% paved road/hwy use and some dirt occasionally
Do you have a link to the controller?
So where can we get the battery? What about a display?
Now that I’ve finished watching this. I’d say great video! I might have to hit you about the Battery Limitations section in the Phase Runner suite. I’m running it on the stock 48V 16AH battery, but the amps is still what is confusing me because the battery doesn’t list that info. Any idea how I can calculate that or use a volt meter to determine that info?
You would need to open battery or find what bms is used.
If you know the cells used, the nickel strip thickness and bms you can push it.
It’s a bit of a pain when using oem battery’s. Super73 for example uses fused nickel on the battery’s and are not great for performance or high discharge.
@@BuildItTuneItEV lol dammit, I didn’t want to that, but in the name of DIY. I’m down. If anything I’ll just may invest in a 72 volt and call it a day. I saw your original post on the Facebook, but I didn’t feel like joining another ebike group (I’m in the x-class modders group). So if anything is it cool to dm you on Facebook for further questions?
@@BuildItTuneItEV do you build batteries and if so would you sell and ship for a good price of course.
I do build battery’s and ship as I worked with a local shipping company on proper packing labeling and box. How ever they are not the most affordable as when I build them I use only the top quality parts. Pure nickel, Molicel or Samsung cells, and tons of protection and care when building.
I actually take photos of the inside of the battery before shipping, not many builders are willing to do that.
Hopefully the website will be up soon.
@@BuildItTuneItEV my fingers are crossed that it will be up very soon🤞
2 questions I'm planning on doing this 72 volt setup on my zx. how fast could you push the zx top speed using this setup and second question I didn't see the e-brake connection to new controller I'm assuming when you press the brake it cuts power to the motor?
I don’t have the ebrake hooked up yet, using it as the most basic setup first.
were can I get a 72v battery for the RX thats more STOCK looking like yours
I can build you one.
Hey there, Thanks for awesome video, where can i buy these tire types you have on your ebike ?
Super73 grizly tires
Hey man! Great video. Love your content.
I am planning to make custom battery and order the frankenrunner controller. I am now thinking hard how to connect everything.
I think i know now:
Pas connector, going to connect the torque sensor and throtlle paralel to an custom harness, to be able to pedal and throttle.
CA2 display no clue what i need or can do with it.
Main connector: would want the eggrider or orignal display, but i dont know the pin order of those displays.
Maybe you can advise me what to do and how to connect everything?
I actually am working on my own kit.
How ever you would need the following.
Eggrider display (if you want a display)
Or a cycle analyst.
Both are a display and tuning device.
Next you will need a step down converter to lower your battery voltage to the 12v needed to power the lighting and horn.
Next the frankenrunner can handle the pas, (although I have not tested it) so you would need to sort the tuning.
I am working with a harness maker at the moment to get a full kit going, just takes some time to get it all together.
@@BuildItTuneItEV
I would really want the stock torque sensor, but will add custom throttle, lovely would be egg rider or super 73 display itself.
Any idea on the time for the kit?
Since I want to support you so will wait before ordering parts until you sell the kit :), want to support your efforts
@@samhoekstra3356 I am hoping around Christmas time. I know its not close, how ever waiting to finish up the harness order. If you look back I just posted a video 5 days ago out testing the voltage step down kit. So Before placing the order for the harness just been ensuring everything is okay!
Had to take into consideration handlebar height for different bikes, the horn, if you look in the video I am using a replacement brake clamp with switch for headlights to keep it clean and stealth. I do not mind helping you get a kit together sooner, I am more in this for the community than the dollar.
I've tuned 5-6 bikes now with this setup and just want to see others out and enjoying it. As I make the tune better I update the base map in the video. I am testing a version now with some more low end tq and other settings.
@@BuildItTuneItEV If you could mail me, I really appreciate it, if you can create custom kit for me !!
I ofcourse reward good :D
I could show my current bike, to give some pictures etc !:)
How fast can I make my super 73 R Brooklyn with stock battery and only upgrading the controller to phaserunner?
+1
Hi, do all the stock sensors in the brake and cranks work, still? E.g. can I still pedal with min assist and ride at slow speeds when needed?
In this install no, I am planning on adding in a device called the Cycle Analyst which will allow that and allow full interfacing.
@@BuildItTuneItEV thanks! Appreciate your videos - you’ve got the best Super73 mod videos online!
what’s the max battery amps the phaserunner can handle? on the grin site it has it listed as 40 amps but i saw in you there video when you were comparing battery voltages you on screen overlay showed you hitting over 60amps, is that right? thanks, and sweet videos! definitely sub’d
Up to 96 battery amps. Check the manual for full spec on page 25
It varies with input voltage. It can run up to 5000W
I got the frankenrunner Getting a 52v 21ah 60Amps discharge, haven’t put anything together yet, any thought on what kind of performance that will get me? mainly my goal was to get more torque and hopefully get close to 40mph.
Get it together, and shoot me an email.
We can tune it and get your goal achieved :)
@@BuildItTuneItEV appreciate it! I’ll definitely shoot you an email once I get everything installed to get your guidance on the tuning!
Where did you get that battery and harness from? I'm definitely trying to do this
I built this one, how ever I seen this on AliExpress which looks to be a decent spec. Can’t say for sure it’s quality.
US $573.99 30％ Off | Ebike Li-ion Battery Pack 72V 60V 52V 48V 36V 45Ah 20Ah Lithium ion Electric Bicycle Scooter Motorbike Batteries 250W-3000W
a.aliexpress.com/_mNrzASU
I have the Franken Runner, i want to use the factory throttle. Which harness should i get?
What throttle connection is on the Frankenrunner right now? Are you using a Ca?
@@BuildItTuneItEV I have no throttle connection yet. Franken runner comes with 6, 8, 9 pin connections. If I want to use the stock throttle how would I do this.
So you have the L1019 model? What screen do you plan on running? Did you purchase the cycle analyst? That changes throttle requirements is why I ask.
@@BuildItTuneItEV Ahh I did some research and purchased a CA. That answered a lot of questions i had. Thank you for the quick response. Cant wait for your new videos!
@@nguyen01106 can you post a link for the ca? I want to use the stock throttle too
Bro how did you get it to do 50? I'm also running 72 V 20 amp hours hundred amp BMS.225 peak amps and grin techs go62 d.i.y kit on a 26 fat bike and only get 31mph please help
How many phase amps? Battery amps? Field weakening?
@@BuildItTuneItEV 70 40 18
@@BuildItTuneItEV and it's built with p42a 21700 cells 20s 5p
@@BuildItTuneItEV I'm very new to tuning an electric bike.
@@BuildItTuneItEV Is that your personal tomb in the video when you hook up your face? Runner. To the comput tutor after it says success if so I will just replicate it.
How can I get that battery?
21700 DP-7 Battery
Would this work on the z series
Not the same but yes
What would the difference be if I chose to keep the OEM stock Super73 48v battery with this frankenrunner? I'm not looking for a great deal of more speed, just want more torque. I have a Bafang Luna Cycle Hot Rodded Middrive installed in addition to the stock rear hub running off a luna wolf 52v 13.5 ah battery and was curious about boosting the stock motor with this controller. Will an Eggrider V2 display work with this controller? I'm confused on whether or not a display can be attached with this frankenrunner controller. Thanks for your work this is really the best and most helpful video I have seen on super73 builds.
Finishing up an edit right now with the 48v vs 52v vs 72v
wow totally amazing. So I want to keep original battery like you mentioned, I'll just have to purchase the frankenrunner controller with a L615AM adapter so that it will connect to the factory battery? And of course I will have to find a new display correct?
Thank you!
You would need that adapter which would give you a pigtail from the oem battery harness. This will allow you to power the bike.
When purchasing the Frankenrunner you can pair it with the Grin Cycle analyst like I’ll be doing soon and have a display, and the ability to tune and monitor. If you have some time, check out my cycle analyst video from a few weeks ago.
Not the “coolest” looking screen, but if you like tech. It has it all :)
I’m looking for a color fancy screen what do you suggest?
Are you close to developing that plug and play kit you were telling me about?
Yes, but Xmas time is when I am trying to have it all done by. The hurricane most likely pushed it back a week or two.
Yo... haven't checked your channel, do you have something similar for OG S1 ?
S1 Look back at my Z1 build early on! Same idea.
Where did you buy the kit
It’s not a kit. The controller was bought from grin technology
How did you get the controller to work without using the Cycle analyst display?
Depends what model you order.
The model I have can be Used standalone
@@BuildItTuneItEV is there any other controller compatible with the Frankenrunner other than the CA?
Bac 855 yes, frankenrunner no
@@BuildItTuneItEV what's the difference in performance between the two for such a high price jump?
Same thing. Just how it’s optioned from the dealer.
link for the battery?
Sick! What would be the range distance you would estimate on the battery with stock motor?
As seen only 15 miles or so. Small battery inside, can be built for more range in same case.
Also there is a “tank style 21700 72v 20AH” battery on Ali express that would be perfect for this swap.
@@BuildItTuneItEV Thanks for that! As others were saying. You think theres a good longevity of the motor to go this route or just get a 3000w/5000w motor?
do you think the motor would be able to handle this much power? im planning on doing something similar to what you did but im afraid if the motor wpuld be able to handle it as i ride long rides like around 28 miles
Power = Wattage. Think of wattage like a space heater, the more wattage the more heat.
If you ride now for a long ride, get off the bike and touch motor.. If its hot probably not, if its not then you got some room to go :)
@@BuildItTuneItEV its warm but not hot
hey there! Do you know how to get rid of the speed limiter on the SUPER73 r or rx? And can it go more than 28 mph stock if you get rid of it? If not, how are you getting it above 28 mph without getting rid of speed limiter?
Speed limiting is done with the stock controller. It goes away when you install the Phaserunner controller.
This is awesome, thank you! Can you recommend where we can buy the 72v battery? I'd love to just purchase to plug and play :) Thanks again!
Well I made this one myself, the case Is called a dp7.
www.electrifybike.com/products/72v-50-amp-12-ah-mega-shark-e-bike-battery
Here is one, if you want to have more range you would need two. And mount the second like the Malibu has it in the down tube.
@@BuildItTuneItEV oh sweet! How many amp hours do you have on yours? These look larger than the OEMs but only carry 12 ah? I think stock is 20 ah?
@@ChrisHa I run this battery on my z1. Riding together with my rx on the stock pack I easily get more range than the 20ah rx with my 12ah 30q pack. I come home with my z1 at at 59-60% and the rx at 30% not to mention the z1 is twice as fast.
@@ChrisHa with higher voltage, it requires more cells to make the same ah.
I see. I’m still learning how to calculate range on a battery. I thought it was all about amp hours 🤪
*What motor does the RX use?*
*Looks similar to a Bafang, but they slap a Super73 logo on it.*
They do not use bafang.
@@BuildItTuneItEV
It looks similar to one, though.
@@Psyrecx yeah it’s close. But they use a different manufacturer.
Only so many ways to make them look. You could replace it with a bafang fat hub. Super73 does not typically use higher end parts.
I bought this one is this correct because you are using a different model and what is the difference?
CUSTOMIZE FRANKENRUNNER_L10 CONTROLLER
FRANKENRUNNER CONTROLLER
Frankenrunner Controller with Over-molded L1019 Motor Connector and WP8 CA Plug. 87V Max Battery Voltage and 96A Peak Phase Currents (~55A at Thermal Rollback).
Yes, that’s is the right one.
Someone just set one up this morning on a rx.
Are you having trouble or something? If so I can help?
@@BuildItTuneItEV I still need to buy the battery but yes I could use some help. I have a malibu and I want to use the same throttle, brakes and display and make sue my pedal assist still works because I have a 10 speed just recently installed on it.
@@Bam.B8m I plan on getting everything working, but right now only with no screen. Soon i'll do part two with a screen and pas and brakes working. How ever you can run it without all that in the mean time or just wait until I figure it all out.
I just do it to help, I dont work for Grin or get any kick backs or discounts. So its all on my own dime.
@@BuildItTuneItEV that's makes sense. I appreciate the help. I can't wait until you figure it out and then convert the bike. Right now I am collecting all the pieces.
Where can I get this setup to buy?
Grin Tech. I just finished mine with this guy remotely. It pulls really strong
When you do this Mod What stops working?
Does the DC converter plug right into the controller?
Been waiting for something like this!!! 👊😎
Can I purchase parts from you?
If you install as seen everything is lost, is you add a cycle analyst and a step down you can retain it all!
Can this motor handle the power your throwing at it?
Are you doing this on the stock motor ?
"Stock Motor" is in the title :)
No click bait here.
Will this work for a Super73 R? Or is it just the RX?
Both!
@@BuildItTuneItEV To bad I wiped out broke my arm and the biker is totalled. Ah another day another day...
What mileage are you getting using this setup?
Well the battery I’m using here can hold 60 cells but I’m only using 40. As it was temporary, but I see about 20 miles.
Are you going to build a bigger battery pack?
Very fast.
20S7P soon! This was just for a little more speed!
I just completed the set up but I’m getting an controller over voltage fault. Not to sure what I did wrong. I messaged you on Facebook messenger to see if you could help me out. Thanks.
Email us or jump on the discord.
I am having the same problem. Do you have any feedback
Yes follow instructions on the video and set the voltage limits on the second page. On the phaserunner suite!
Is that the code?
If not let me know
@@BuildItTuneItEV is it called rated system voltage?
Nice and easy!!!!
I know nothing about modding e bikes but im buying a super73 s2, and I reall want to mod it so its able to hit a top speed of 50mph, but I also want it to have some serious range, like 100 actual miles of range. Does anyone know if this would be possible?
It's for sure possible, you just need the AH to support it.
@@BuildItTuneItEV Thats good news, how many AH do you think I would need?
Awesome video and I definitely want to try this out on my R, only thing I’m worried about is doing this right. I plan on using a stock battery and another battery like the chi battery together, it includes a battery cradle that has a Y splitter wire, would I be able to use that for the controller?
So I guess I was just wondering if it has to be one 72v battery as opposed to the stock battery plus another battery that’s probably 48v or maybe even another 72v battery
I will be doing a test this weekend and video of 48V, 52V and 72V so people can make the decision!
Just takes time to film.
@@BuildItTuneItEV ok thanks!
I’m really not sure you should send more than 40 amps to these motors. I’ve seen motos burn on higher amperage builds.
Been sending 80 for almost 1k
@@BuildItTuneItEV time will tell. Also, how do you make lighting work with this controller?
With how RX frames are still cracking even after the "fix," I'm not sure I'd want to be on one at any speed these days.
Word, ride safe buddy.
@@BuildItTuneItEV I would but my highly modified Z got stolen. 😑
@@bandwagon240 dude that sucks to hear. I had a lightly modded Z1, I sold it to get the RX. Sadly my young and dumb days have caught up to my back.
@@BuildItTuneItEV Oh same, I'm in my 40's so I wanted to sell mine and was actually listing it when it was stolen. Scumbags, I hope the 3 broken spokes broke their arms.
@@BuildItTuneItEV is it possible to run stock lights with this set up??
Mr. Build IT, any word on you setting up an AMZ type thing so I can start purchasing thru you? ( with a bit of guidance)?? I promise not to be a pain in the neck. Also we live in Ventura, CA my wife and I ride trails, low tide beach. SSShhhhh don't tell anyone. But open invitation any time.
It will up on my site upgrademyebike.com before Xmas!
That's crazy it looks like it takes three football fields to get to 50
It took 1/4 mile.
Its a pedal bike with original motor.
Now it does 80+ quickly
@@BuildItTuneItEV I paid 7 hundred bucks for one of them 2000-watt kits and battery. It did 38 miles an hour in less than 5 seconds
@@tommyhajimoto6968 bad ass, yeah i swapped this one now to 20,000w.
Total blast, enjoy!
is there any website that sells a battery like this?
Soon upgrademyebike.com will have them.
I finally bit the bullet as well thanks to you. The Frankenrunner wont be in for a couple weeks and the CA. It gives me time to decide on the 72v battery. I'll run through the video again as it gets closer to install time and tuning.
1 question. On a S73 RX, if essentially everything is stock but the controller at first, does that kill the factory PA function? if so, then I need to grab a Grin PA kit like you were mentioning for a future video ?
Did you mean PAS? Pedal assist system? Just used to it being abbreviated that way.
I am waiting for my new CA to show up as I sold the last one with the bike I sold. Once it arrives I plan on making a video getting it all working!
@@BuildItTuneItEV Yes, Yes, I apologize about that. Yeah the PAS. I am guessing the stock Super73 RX PAS is disabled with a phase runner/frankenrunner controller or am I incorrect? If so - I am guessing that I would just need to purchase a PAS from Grin to go along with the new controller to retain that function ?
@@jamestiller On the phaserunner it is disabled, I am not 200% sure on the bac855, it technically should be a feature, unsure if its pinned out.
The CA from grin is what typically handles pas, it takes the pas signal and simply converts it to a throttle out signal.
So pas in to CA, CA throttle out to controller.
@@BuildItTuneItEV ok, PERFECT, thank you. The Frankrenunner and CA3 already shipped and should be here tomorrow. Wow, much faster than expected.... And being able to see and work with the parts should answer some questions as well so I don't overload you with questions before I even lay hands on things.
and just to add on ....since I couldn't seem to be able to read before (excitement in ordering something 🙃) The Frankenrunner L1019 itself has a 6-pin HiGo MiniB Male for PAS and torque sensor.
The ones who dislike are still on their 12 volt Power Wheels.
So the password in the video does not work for the google drive link
Don’t use the quotation marks, it’s been downloaded like 30 times or so, I’ll check it again.
But it should 100% work, someone just downloaded it this morning and said it worked.
Ok it worked thanks
Has anyone successfully completed this build?
Many
8ah ? So like 5 miles range? 😂
15.
I live 1 mile from beach, so plenty for me.
If I need to go far, I have motorcycles, and other e-bikes.