That is a common propositional statement that negates the doctrine of grace. St. Peter denied Christ and removed himself from ministry- yet Christ restored him because of his repentance. Not all cases are the same- there is no need to "prove to be a new person." There is no such thing for the regenerate. That Pastor simply needs to step away from ministry- and leave it for later in life- anyone can fall into a grievous sin.
This topic is my story. I was in ministry for almost 20 years, its sad that i Just had the opportunity to head a church somewhere in the middle east for 3 years ,but then i failed. I discpilined myself nobody told me to do so. But i know the truths of the bible. So im out of formal ministry for 2 years now, doing other work. I dont know if i can still can back , its depressing at the same timw im thankful that God did not let me to live a life of sin but instead discplined me and show me more of His love.
The Lord never leave you nor forsakes you. He restored Peter and other disciples for His ministries. The Lord shall dicipline you for He loves you. I desire that you handover the church to a another pastor in order to keep the sanctity and testimonies of the church. AND start a new fresh ministry.... after you are sure of your repentance ( change of mind ) and re-commitment to the Lord. God can and will use to win souls and edify the church. Satan might often discourage you and create humiliation in you. But be confidence in the blood of the Lamb and serve Him for His forgiveness. God bless you my brother.
What about when the women cheats on the pastor? Because I've seen the pastors getting discharge taking the blame and mockery Also they do their life miserable i knew a pastor whos wife was on and on for years with different people 2 decades why did they pass that honest man through all that ? Such pain all the time not metioning humiliation...why he was not allowed to get his divorce? she never repented he was the main topic all over the place... he was so humble and practice holiness and fear God the most, why the assemblies of God or whatever name never had mercy on that kind of situation when it comes to that kind of serious sin or problem?he was to be blame when he proved he was righteous? Thats not fair that he never enjoyed his marriage because his wife was busy pleasing the whole town.ah?!! dont want light answers please because if someone takes time to discuss one point of view for sure will have to discuss the other one. excuse my English please! am on it .
This is a good example of true repentance. From the case given in the video, the man was exposed. He only admitted he was wrong after being exposed. That's not repentance. I don't know what sin you committed, but I find that Pastors are to be exemplary. If people know you as someone who is truly repentant and not as an untrustworthy sinner, then you are exemplary. Also, having the giftings of an eldership role is not having the calling to an eldership role. You may never serve as an elder again, but you can walk in obedience to Christ, proclaiming the gospel and making disciples. You probably know all this, but I share it in hopes of stirring up the Holy Spirit and the Word of God within you
Having seen a lot of pastors walk away from the church I'd say the only thing that disqualifies a pastor is lack of repentance of their sins. They are fallen sinners just like the rest of us.
No hate from you brother so no apology needed although that means there is probably an apology need to you from me! I am signed up to a lot of Christian content from America and the United Kingdom as it's always helpful to get a spread. I have some David Wilkerson books in my library so Carter Conlon seems to be along the right lines.
Yup! Spot on. Too many give laundry lists of sins and forget that Jesus didn't do this. It's funny that Moses killed a dude and led and Paul was heading out to round em all up and wrote out the majority of why we know what we know in that West.
I understand this. There are qualifications overtly listed. But for example being divorced isn't one of them. We have extrapolated things because of how we feel. Husband of one wife means "husband of one wife," so be married currently to one woman. I've been to places that shun divorced people from leadership.
Thank you Pastor John for this wisdom and truth that is much needed today in our world of superstars and gifting that is lifted above character and devotion to Christ.
The Bible says that we are to live lives worthy of our calling! A pastor is to be a leader, a role model, a shepherd, an instructor. If he can not beat his flesh into submission and control his carnality, then he should not be in a leadership role. Forgiveness is something completely different. My grandfather molested me. I forgave him. It does not mean I trust him with my children. A pastor who commits adultery while leading a congregation is not living a life worthy of his calling. He should not be ousted from the church. If he is truly repentant, he should come back to the church as a member of the congregation not a leader. Pastor John you've nailed this one perfectly!
Question for reflection: according to Romans 1 and 2, who lives their life worthy of their calling? Who faultlessly has their flesh in complete submission? If you were to apply that standard to yourself, you’d fail. The elder brother in the parable of the prodigal son thought he was a good person, an upright person, when comparing himself with his fallen brother. Sadly, the parable shows that the elder brother’s self-righteousness put him further away from God--and he didn’t even know it.
Jay Dub There is a list of people who will not inherit the kingdom. If you are living a life that puts you among them then you have NO BUSINESS instructing His flock. We are to take the plank from our eyes before we try and remove the speck from our brother’s. How does one headed to Hell instruct anyone about how to get to Heaven? Be reasonable... 🤷🏻♀️
Living a Godly life and walking in God’s statutes and commandments does not make one self-righteous. We know where our righteousness comes from. A person who walks with God climbs out of their sinful nature, they do not wallow in it. There are VERY specific requirements for what qualities a leader or elder should possess. These requirements come from God. You don’t like it take your argument up with Him. Pssst... Whenever you think your thoughts are higher than His you are dead wrong. “So a church leader must be a man whose life is above reproach. He must be faithful to his wife.[a] He must exercise self-control, live wisely, and have a good reputation. He must enjoy having guests in his home, and he must be able to teach” (1 Tim. 3:2, NLT).
sarahlynn4790 Apply what Romans 2 says: We all sin, every day, and we all rely on God's grace every day. Are you suggesting that you are sinless? That you don't deserve complete and utter judgement outside of Christ? If you, a sinner, need God's mercy every day, why would you deny someone that same grace and mercy because they fell in a different way to you? You are just as deserving of death as they are. If, in Christ, they repent and are justified by God, for what reasons do you deny them God's grace? May I graciously point out that you have a log in your eye? Will you cast the first stone? --- Romans 2:1 (LEB): Therefore you are without excuse, O man, every one of you who passes judgment. For in that which you pass judgment on someone else, you condemn yourself, for you who are passing judgment are doing the same things.”
Jay Dub You are talking about two different things here. 1. Is a matter of salvation. 2. The other is a matter of what God Himself requires of a pastor/leadership role in the church. Did you miss the part where I said the man should continue as a member of the church? Miss me with your twisting of my words. Clearly you are attempting to be argumentative simply for the sake of an argument. Intentional, willful sin has no place in my life. His seed abides in me. No log in my eye sir. I’ve been through the vomit, I refuse to return to it. “Those who sin should be reprimanded in front of the whole church; this will serve as a strong warning to others” (1Tim 5:20). Here are 28 verses from God Himself about those who persist in sin. bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Continuing-In-Sin You sir know absolutely nothing about me. CLEARLY.... You are also seriously lacking in your understanding of scripture. I on the other hand spend 90% of my waking hours studying it relentlessly. I do this because it is commanded of me, not suggested. I have devoted my life to God and to being instructed by Him. You have seriously twisted my words and attempted to erode the word of God. Nowhere did I say that the man is not able to be saved or repent. WHAT I SAID was that his actions disqualify him for the position of elder/pastor... ACCORDING TO GOD.... I stand by this. Well, because God says so....
Pastor John Hagge had an affair with a member of his church, was found out, divorced his wife of whom he had two children, then married the woman he had an affair with and started Cornerstone church a year later. He now has 5 children and a nearly 8,000 acre ranch with multiple multi million dollar homes and several million dollars in the bank while preaching to others how adultery is wrong. He was one of my favorite pastors for years until earlier this year when I found out about him. I was heartbroken but unshaken in my faith, however I believe he is certainly unqualified to preach again. A pastor is to be beyond reproach 1 Timothy 3:2. Almighty God was very clear in this verse. John Hagee has his cake and has eaten it his entire life. The souls that have been eternally lost due to his selfish and reckless behavior is probably staggering. He knew better, and if he wanted that life and to commit that violation of his office then he should have stepped down and received his reward and never preached again.
Thank you for working through this question. It gave me many things to think about in regards to 1 Timothy 3 and the responsibility of the church to be proactive on this topic.
Excellent teaching full of good insights. John Piper really understands how serious it is when a pastor commits adultery. Here are a few thoughts of my own on this subject: (1) There shouldn't be a rule set in stone for how to treat a pastor who has sinned and wants to get back into Christian leadership. There will be a certain amount of variety from case to case. (2) We mustn't forget that the gospel is all about forgiveness. So it is wrong to say simply that every pastor who commits adultery should never, ever under any circumstances be allowed to be a Christian leader again. For example, if a man is 30 years old when he sins, to say that even when he is 60 he should be automatically barred from leadership is to go too far. It doesn't appreciate either God's forgiveness or his ability to change people. (3) Almost always it will be wrong for a man to be allowed to get back into ministry within a matter of months of repenting of his sins. As Piper says, he should typically aim to get another job and spend years demonstrating that he is a changed character.
@@urielmesenja1040 I was just allowing the context of the topic in this video to qualify what I meant by 'who has sinned'. I meant 'who has sinned in such a way that disqualifies him from leadership'.
@@gospelforafrica959 Then that would mean that his salvation is dependent upon his works. The Bible is clear that no one has salvation by their works of righteousness. When a man (or women but we are talking about men in leadership here) is truly saved God does not take the Holy Spirit away from him.
@@ngdavid3925 Exactly people in the church have to be able to trust the person leading them and if they can't trust that leader around their children then there's no use of him being there and 1 Timothy 3 makes it clear on the office of a Bishop/pastor
Ng David what is trustworthy? And according to whose standard? People can be extremely convincing liars when they want something. People can also be absolutely unconvincing speakers when they are speaking truthfully. I truly think the only thing we can do is to look for a heart of actual repentance that is proven through Christ loving action.
Reading 1 Corinthians 5 seems to answer these questions pretty directly and boldly in Paul's letter to Corinth. It is not specifying pastor but anyone who commits sexual immorality in the body of Messiah. Jesus/Yeshua blessings.
At minimum it seems as though that a Christian who goes with another man's wife is barred for life (or at least until the husband dies) from ever being an Elder or Deacon because Elders and Deacons are to be above reproach and Proverbs 6:32-35 says for such a man that his reproach will never go away.
Sounds like he has not truly thought of anyone else but still thinking of himself.. I pray the council has tremendous wisdom to handle him with grace and protect the flock
The Bible says God’s callings are without repentance which to me says that someone who has genuinely repented and dealt with the issues that led him into that sin, then he should continue the calling. The Bible also talks about the importance of restoring those who have fallen.
Everyone has sinned and fallen short. Call me not rabbi or any Thesaurus dictionary word of it, for only one is my Master and that is Jesus Christ in God our Father creator of everything. James 1:5 trust God and follow Christ
Ebon Collins yes. The question is not has someone been forgiven by God or the person they have wronged the question is should they serve as a pastor after that. And I think what he says is accurate. A man who is able to just get in the bed with another woman who is not his wife is exemplifying unfitness for pastoral ministry. End of story. That does not mean he can’t be forgiven by God and by his wife but that does not mean he is fit to pastor a flock of males and females trust cannot be restored overnight and that’s the issue plus the embarrassment of the gospel we are just making a mockery of Christ left and right by jumping in and out of bed with people we are not married to. I apologize if this is too bold but I am so over this topic.
Very biblical statement on this topic. Our culture, I believe, is changing the way churches view this topic. The church is moving away from God when it comes to this question.
@@samanthatruong8390 by no means! I was just objecting to the ludicrous top-level comment. We need God's grace before AND after we hear and believe, or when we believe and are baptized, or when we confess and believe... I was just pointing out that, chronologically, all of our sin has occurred after the death and resurrection of Jesus.
I believe that one of the main marks of genuine repentance would be his voluntarily removing himself from the gospel ministry and never again consider such as a calling for his life!
I know about 4 years ago my Sr. Pastor had an affair with a married women in my church. Her family ended up seperating. But he and his wife are still together. He voluntarily stepped down and genuinely seemed broken. I don't know if he was caught it if he confessed. Either way, he said he was "no longer qualified." Now I don't know how long he has been at another church. But I know he worked in insurance for like 2 years and started going to another church. Then they ended up hiring him on as their life group pastor. So I guess things are working out for him.
It doesn't happen overnight, a little sin here, a little sin there. He didn't just fall into sin. Little things became a norm for him like watching more tv than reading the bible, or just looking again at the woman walking the dog, etc. As a man I know as well as any other man that we're geared with visual eyes that controls our passions. We must get every thought captive according to the word of God. Truth is it could happen to any of us but some they just let take control and yes they should stay away from a pastor leadership. David repented yes, but there was a judgement that went it, his son died. Yes there's grace but God chastises those who He loves.
yes those little 'baby' sins are actually like leaven and they will leaven the whole lump... neglecting simple things like daily Bible reading will have a snowball effect on a christian down the road
There is no disqualification because we are not worthy even for salvation based on our own good works and self-righteousness. We are able to be saved and serve because of God's grace. If it is by God's grace then no one can be disqualified based on own performance. It is your self condemnation, own feeling of unworthiness and allowing yourself to be affected by opinion of others that caused you to feel disqualified.
@@sammybelskus1534 King David committed adultery and he is still king until he die. There is no permanent disqualification. Only people who fall and never stand up get permanently disqualified.
I am unable to see if any examples to encourge such fallen man of God in the New Testament. However, can we see examples of David, Solomon, Samson, and other saints of God fallen in several sins, but yet used by God in several ways ? I think only the Lord can convict the person if he needs to be in the ministry of the church. I also think that such pastor or minister need not to go back to some other works if the the Lord still holds in him in His hands. The Lord can revive dead bones to make a mighty army.
I think there are some circumstances where it's acceptable for fallen pastors to be restored as a pastor again, I think there are some circumstances where it's acceptable for fallen pastors to be restored as pastors again after a significant amount of time of them not being pastors, not being in ministry, etc, and I think there are some circumstances where fallen pastors should never work as pastors ever again for the rest of their life. Pastors that molest children, rape people, take advantage of elderly people, abuse vulnerable people, steal thousands of dollars from people, commit fraud, etc should never work as pastors ever again for the rest of their life. Pastors that commit adultery need to be held accountable for what they did and receive an appropriate punishment for what they did. Adultery is a sin. Adultery is the kind of sin that warrants pastors being held accountable job wise for what they did. I think there are some circumstances where it's acceptable for a pastor who commits adultery to work as a pastor again after a significant amount of time of them not being in the ministry, not working a pastor, etc, and I think there are some circumstances where pastors who commit adultery should never work as a pastor ever again for the rest of their life.
God's criteria is pure repentance 1 John 1:9. Prove himself before God and it just a matter of time. God qualifies and only God and the pastor himself can disqualify himself.
A pastor can teach anything he wants to. It is the responsibility of the person..listening or not listening..to Know Jesus. It is our responsibility to Seek Jesus for Ourselves..to Know the Truth.
Huey Leadbetter If Jesus Told me..He was going to be There..Yes! If a man told me..He was going to be There..and Jesus didn’t confirm it..No! You don’t understand. Jesus..HimSelf Guides me. I do not depend on men. That is the whole thing Jesus Saved me from!
Huey Leadbetter Jesus has been with me since I was six years old. Then I listened to Churches and churchmen. They messed me up my whole life. Finally..Jesus led me to His Gospel and I Returned to Him. My life is back on tract again. I know His Voice. When you Know Jesus Yourself..you no longer need men’s opinions of Him. You Know Him..YourSelf. It is a very Good Place to be.
Huey Leadbetter Jesus has performed many miracles for me. But..mostly..He Teaches me the Right thing to Do. He has Done this for me..my whole life..except when I listened to men and did not listen to Him. Those were my mistakes.
Huey Leadbetter I have been recommending people to Matthew chapters 5 6 7 for months! Everyone tells me I am judging them and mistreating them. But no one will read Matthew 5 6 7..you all tell me I am wrong and going to Hell. I cannot help it! Jesus Complete Gospel is in Matthew 5 6 7. If you would just read it! You would know what Jesus wants and what He Does.
I'm a born again Christian. I met Father God 9 years ago in China. Through Jesus. I tried to go to church, to learn to study to testify to evangelize. I have no earthly dad, my mother is a widow. The church elders, didn't smoke, drink or appeared to be leaders. Rejected me and I became homeless. Now the God I know, says He cares about the fatherless the orphan and the widow. That He is close to the broken hearted. We do need good leaders with integrity but also with a heart of Christ. Who did Jesus choose as apostles, or anointed? David, the adulterer and murderer? Paul who killed Christians? Peter who denied Jesus? Thomas who doubted? Just a thought but don't we serve a God of second chances & seventy times 7? So how can we preach that but then debate if we should do that?
My question would be what of a man who’s wife left him bc she committed adultery. If a man who has been divorced for years bc his wife left him. Is that man able to pastor a church?
I think Paul is such a great role model for any pastor. His whole goal was to bring people to Christ and to present the church to the Lord as a pure bride (without defilement). He knew he could only do this by being pure himself which is why he said “I discipline my body like an athlete, training it to do what it should. Otherwise, I fear that after preaching to others I myself might be disqualified.” 1 Corinthians 9:27 “And it will be, like people, like priest; So I will punish them for their ways And repay them for their deeds.” Hosea 4:9 How the leaders are, is how the church will be. God is clear that the leaders are held to a MUCH higher standard because He wants them to lead the people into that high standard too. He wants and expects holiness from His people. Christ wants a pure bride, not a prostitute. She is made pure by His blood but then she must also be pure in conduct. With the pornography statistics alone (over half the pastors have an issue with consuming it) is it a wonder than the statistics also show that there’s little difference in the number of “Christians” who watch it and the world? You cannot drink of the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. Just like in the days of Jeremiah before the coming judgment, the leaders were leading their people into sin, it is the same today. They cry “peace, peace when there is no peace.” God is not pleased with the world, the state of the “church” nor the leaders and His judgment is coming soon. For those who truly have eyes to see and ears to hear, as you have your hope fixed on the coming of our precious Lord and bridegroom, ready yourself like a bride does before the wedding. Purify yourselves and He is pure. Our Lord is coming soon! 🙌🏻
I have wondered about this, and I have an additional thought. If the Holy Spirit gives gifts and may as easily take them, why doesn't God "remove the lampstand" as it were, taking the teaching and/or shepherding gifts alongside the failure? I wonder why it's even a question, why are there men available, with extant gifts, for churches to wrestle with the fitness of?
Its a solem issue adultry is a dis qualifying sin.GOD IS PATIENT.AND FORGIVING.. A ELDER MUST BE BLAMLESS THE HUSAND OF ONE WOMEN.. HE CAN BE A SERVANT BUT PASTOR HE NEEDS TO BE A HOLY MAN.. A EXAMPLE TO THE FLOCK.. HE SHOULD BE FORGIVEN AND LOVED. But not a pastor.. He needs to be Humble and be a Humble servant.
Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Unless a pastor is super human, I am willing to bet most are guilty of adultery after conversion.
It is true that Jesus teaches that a man who gives in to lust has committed adultery in his heart. But there is still a huge difference between someone who gives in to temptation for a few seconds to commit adultery in their heart, and someone who spends hours, days or longer actually committing acts of adultery.
@@maxaplin4204 In the eyes of God if you look at a woman with lust for a single second its punishable with the same lake of fire as a man who sleeps with many women out of marriage. This teaching exposes what you are attempting to justify.
@@maxaplin4204 There are two married men, one commits adultery as you say in person, Its ongoing for months. He confesses his sin before God with true repentance. The other man does not touch another woman, downplaying the seriousness of indulging with his eyes and in secret fantasy. His understanding never leads him to true repentance, his sin leads to self righteousness and idolatry. God has said it is the same for the very reason being ; the nature of man is to consider it a lesser offence.
@@urielmesenja1040 I am not downplaying the seriousness of committing adultery in the heart. It is indeed a grave sin. I very much respect the fact that you realise this. I also agree with you that most pastors will be guilty of adultery in the heart to some extent. And I agree with you too that in the example you have just given, the second man is now the one who is in the wrong. The first man has repented, the second man has not. In my earlier comment, the main thing I was stressing was the variation in how repentant people are. There is a huge difference between someone who fights against temptation and sometimes loses the fight, and someone who doesn't even bother to fight. If someone fights against temptation to commit adultery but gives in for a few seconds now and then, that is very bad. But it is so much worse if someone doesn't even fight temptation and just commits adultery unrepentantly for a long period of time.
@@maxaplin4204 Alright now consider the difference between a man who Satan tempts with vigor a few times a week and a man Satan tempts every waking moment of their life. On the surface the man who is tempted much less will appear more obedient, more faithful to God possibly even perceived as more blessed. Beneath the surface the man who the Devil attempts to break around every slippery corner has no option but to tie a knot at the end of their rope and trust in God with everything they are. Even if they fall flat on their face and lay in the dirt struggling to even get up, God Himself will come down from heaven and carry them to the finish line to honor him.
King David committed adultery and was one of the Godliest men in the bible. We need to mimic Christ and have absolute forgiveness, not holding peoples sins against them as long as they repent.
So I think the tricky thing is that both sides (removal from ministry or forgiveness and receival) are valid. They both rightfully exist at the same time, and don't negate each other. So Piper has a valid point, and so do you; and I don't want to dismiss either
What you say about David is true but please keep a few things in mind. 1. Israel’s kings were chosen and appointed by God Himself. Their holding the royal office was not on condition of the people’s vote or choice. Therefore it was God who both forgave and reinstated David onto his throne, not the people. 2. Pastors on the other hand are chosen and placed into their office by the church. Hence the list of qualifications. Which means that pastors can be removed from the office by the church for failing to meet the divine criteria. It is dangerous to treat pastors as the continuation of the old covenant monarchy when scripture does not bear this out. How God handled kings is not always analogous to how we should handle pastors. As Pastor Piper stated, forgiveness does not equal trust, even in the face of repentance. I don’t see Paul complaining that the church didn’t really forgive him because they still saw him as a potential persecutor shortly after his Damascus road experience. Instead he did what God had called him to do and earned their trust. It is not holding the sins of a child molester against him if after he “repents” he is not allowed to participate in the children’s ministry.
Bensheh Morgan Excellent 👌 (On a side note: I do hope for this pastor that his repentance is genuine and that God will restore him in whatever way He sees fit).
I also think that Bensheh Morgan made some good points. There is a big difference between forgiving someone and deciding that they are fit to be a Christian leader. Forgiveness can take place immediately, but a pastor who has committed a grave sin will usually need to demonstrate over a long period of time that he is a changed character and is now fit for leadership.
The unsaved world , earthy kingdom, demands our public service politicians have integrity in this area. To nominate a divorced president was and is a big deal to unregenerated people. How much more Ambassadors of Christ and His Kingdom???? To reinstate a pastor is clear disobedience to scripture. It is a bad example for leadership and Gods wisdom to not allow this has nothing to do with the pastor but everything to do with how the unsaved and the sheep see this. If we don’t hold the leaders in GODs kingdom to a high standard by example we give license to the sheep to “ mess up” in this area and as long as they repent they’re good to go. Dangerous dangerous to not be salt and light and give license via leadership reinstated
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I have no disagreement with his comments regarding adultery, but they apply to all sin. The disqualifying sin is unrepentance. I also agree that a "sufficient" time of showing true repentance is necessary.
I completely agree as well, but not only should a pastor that commits such sin, as should any Christian, for if we are called to be disciples for Christ, we should act accordingly. Amen
John is exceptionally skilled at convincing you of something that is not necessarily biblical. Gotta hand it to him. He makes a very compelling argument. Yet the reality here is always that TIME is used as a magic device, for it is always TIME that is what heals and TIME that causes offense to fade. Notice that TIME is required for Trust, and that Trust is separated from forgiveness. This of course excuses the claim that Paul makes “love keeps no record of wrong and does not seek its own.” Now, tell me, friends, if I claim to forgive someone and then I insist that I do not trust them, am I not keeping a record of wrong? Am I not seeking my own well-being? Let us think and rethink what we as a society have come to accept as proper and return to the Lord and study the truth of forgiveness and become better equipped for the good work of restoration.
When we are told by God biblical on the Sabbath "keep it holy" what does that say to having faith. I don't believe resting on the Sabbath which for me is staying in bed all day and doing small but necessary chores.Is actually how we are to keep the Sabbath holy in what the commandments teaches us. I'm guessing my real question is. In the week can we repent of a sin if we do commit one and by the Sabbath are we to be holy by then. And don't tell me we are holy God did that for you when you came to him the day you confessed that Jesus is Lord and forgives your sins. So truly Jeremiah speaks to our heart we can lose our salvation. Then in conclusion when we have sin going into the day of rest we then are we making the day unholy because we didn't repent in the week. And when a Christian takes communion without being right in God causes the Bible has written in brings death.And then a communion that we take on the first day of the week is to say we are going to do right by God this week and repent of we do a sin...before Saturday comes
Question: is it really a complete conversion, even though someone professes intellectually to follow God, but is still emotionally compromised? We need to be consistent, either God gives His full power and chooses one who is to be born again or He doesn't...if it's the latter then preach Arminianism instead.
I find it odd that many churches will restore an adulterer to the pastorate but they won't ordain a divorced man, even if he was divorced before coming to Christ.
@@randyd9805 What is your take on the same phrase (but with the sexes reversed) in 1 Timothy 5:9? Some translations say, "having been a faithful wife."
So he admits that after 50 years in the ministry, all he has to offer is an opinion. Apparently there is no official doctrine on the matter. Funny how common sense alone often prevails whenever the hard issues come up.
I know, right? Those were along the lines of my thoughts too. Is the King James Bible sure on these matters? Certainly it is. How did we get to "in my opinion" and "I think" rather than this is what the scriptures say.
Well said. This guy is afraid to declare exactly what the Bible says about this issue. People are always looking for ways to get around the hard and fast Biblical admonitions about these kinds of issues.
Surely, at least, it is clear that this woman should not be involved in selecting a pastor for a congregation in any way, that should be for the church elders.
Either God forgives completely or he doesn't. David sinned heinously yet God forgave him. If there is true repentance then who is man to get in the way of God's forgiveness and purposes? God's gifting and calling is irrevocable. Ironically, some of the most utterly self-righteous and judgemental places on earth are churches--what a blight. One wonders why people don't openly share their inner struggles with church people...judgemental, self-righteous Christians. The people Romans 2 speaks about.
I have been thinking lately and wondering about the Biblical YHWH and the Qur'an Allah. For me it doesn't make sense they could be the same being. In Qur'an Allah is potrayed as transcendent but also seeming like you need to complete his agenda in order to win his love. But YHWH is loving without needing human works. Is the Biblical God the same as the Qur'an God knowing both religions are Abrahamic?
No. YHWH is The ONE TRUE and ONLY GOD who gives LIGHT and Guidance and Rest and LIFE and SALVATION to those who believe into Him and His Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ our LORD and Savior and Blessed Redeemer. the other is a false idol created by satan to deceive people a lead them away from believing into the one and ONLY TRUE GOD.
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This is why you should not look with lust at a woman (especially when you're a pastor!). Jesus said whoever looks at a woman with lust already committed adultery with her in his heart. If you have a problem looking at other woman with lust, you are not fit yet to be a pastor imo.
@@urielmesenja1040 Most men wouldn't be fit for a pastor then.. though I do agree with you. I had an addiction with pornography, but you have to hate it .. repent from it. Turn away from it and turn to the Lord.. I went from looking at it daily to.. it's been a long while now since, and I don't plan on doing it again! Jesus had to go through all kinds of temptations, I had to turn to Him for help.. pruning also helps.. don't put yourself in situations! A movie that you know has nudity? Skip. An ad that has bikini girls? Quickly scroll away and look away. A TV show that you notice now has things like that? Give it up. But that was all possible by praying to Jesus to break free the chains of my addiction with His Holy name.
I think that the definition of adultery is wider than just the sexual act. I suspect adultery could very well include the wife who thinks negative thoughts about her husband and mentally leaves her role as supportive spouse for comfort with her friends. Folks, if murder can be in the heart, so can adultery - and not simply looking with lust. We Christians need to cite the evil act of adultery - whether sex, fantasy, or any other betrayal of one's covenant. So all who were about to cast the stone at this pastor, go ahead.
The pastor seem to think that there is no sin that can disqualify them from joining Jesus when judgment come my answer is the same That disqualify everyone else lying stealing playing with the Lord
To say or imply people, after sexual failure, are no longer useful in their calling is simply opinion and not divine as stated by pastor Piper. God is in control and he has left this door open and so he may do as he pleases. Man is not in control of what God can only do. Restoration is foundational the Christian message. We do not follow pastors, but we follow them as they follow the Lord.
May I ask this question ,dear Pastor..what sbout lying to.people..a pastor caught lying ... will his testimony p Matters snd some of the church members covered it.coz they are afraid the church may split There was no confrontation made...nothing happened of gorgives ftom concern members. Snd this name thrm ledger rhe church..and started a a fellowship....is thus right pastor?
Sadly, I know of too many pastors who continue in the ministry after committing adultry. Most were removed from their position, but hired elsewhere. Even more sad is the willingness of some churches to hire them. I want a pastor who serves with integrity and honor and who isn't vulnerable to judgment about his character based on sins committed while in the office of pastor.
I am not a pastor but feel I would be in the future i was witnessing to a woman who had deep issues in her life and allowed her to stay with me, of course this is bad mistake. But I ended up having sex with her and feel I dishonored the glory. I felt a distressing spirit and quickly repented to her through email. I repented to God and myself. I'm still having trouble forgiving myself the devil used me in that moment and I'm afraid I've lost my glory due to this error.
What about our ex pastor whose wife died, within 2 years he remarried his deceased wife's best friend, BUT he married a divorced woman whose husband is still alive, I have looked into this as deep as I possible can and the scales tip ever so slightly in the adultery down side. It makes sense.. nothing seems right between them and EVERY SERMON FOR YEARS he "constantly" brings up and tells story after story about his first wife while his divorced wife sits in the front row alone, crippled with arthritis seamingly OK with it. He's a heavy smoker, cusses, extremely flirtatious and admits he's narcissistic. I am one of the few that thinks as long as your ex is alive you better play it safe and not remarry and I have heard all the combative arguments (so it seems) and still..... sorry Charlie, till death do you part/covenant. Divorce yes, remarriage? No.. M
What sins disqualify a pastor, when he like everyone else is not following the laws, statues and commandments of God, and calling Jesus Christ your Lord and savior, when all through the Bible tells us God is the savior. Like in Luke, Jude, Timothy, Titus, Revelation, Isaiah.......
Every church my ex husband and I attended his had affairs authority women in the church. My ex husband was a minister he is now a pastor he just committed adultery this week again. He has a sexual addiction.
Preaching the OT as if it's Christianity. Also, preaching apostles ideas as if they are Christianity. And praying to Mary as if she is divine when she is not. And getting rich from preaching.
No quarter given, since the Pastor Pharisee hypocrisy condemns a man for a divorce years before the man’s redemption. GOD cast the man’s divorce sin, after his rebirth, as far as the east from the west, BUT, the Pharisees will block a redeemed man from serving as a deacon. Hmmm, GOD forgave, man condemns.
My own take on this talk from the pastor is that, when someone can trust the spouse, is better than when you always forgive him or her. Such a pastor who commits adultery or fornication is not really a called born again Christian to serve among the brethren in the church rather he's a wolves in sheep's clothing. Quote me anywhere.
I m o. When you join the religion you ask for forgiveness . For the sins you have done. Then any sin while in religion should be a no no. You have to work really for the forgiveness the second time. So for me the pastor should not be a pastor. I'm a new Christan I've just started and I'm going by the book
C E no man. You can’t earn forgiveness. You can’t work to justify your soul in God’s sight. In the eyes of God, It is painted over by the blood of Christ. You live a lifestyle of righteousness not to earn forgiveness, but from a place of being forgiven for every sin past, present and future, and loving God for who he is, and seeking to show his worth and value, and out of love. Romans speaks about this regarding the one who is still under law. He is trying to earn what he cannot. He hasn’t accepted the gift of Christ.
Not really. As Christians, we are commanded to forgive 70 times 7. In other words: always and at any time. Those are Jesus’ words. I do agree that after being converted, we should be extremely careful with playing with sin. We must keep living in a state of fear of the Lord. But forgivess is for free and endless. Forgiveness is not earned, it is a gift. And we are commanded to give it to anyone who wrongs us. After all; the One person in the universe who had the right to NOT forgive, forgave us all. Who are we to deny forgiveness to whoever asks for it? God bless you and may God lead you in this wonderful path of Christian living :)
if we know our God is unchanging, and His Law is perfect and without flaw, why do so many Christians keep sunday instead of the 7th day Sabbath? by who's right or reason was this change validated? Jesus Himself kept the Sabbath, did He not?
KingRabid 23One Sabbath he was going through the grainfields, and as they made their way, his disciples began to pluck heads of grain. 24And the Pharisees were saying to him, “Look, why are they doing what is not lawful on the Sabbath?” 25And he said to them, “Have you never read what David did, when he was in need and was hungry, he and those who were with him: 26how he entered the house of God, in the time ofd Abiathar the high priest, and ate the bread of the Presence, which it is not lawful for any but the priests to eat, and also gave it to those who were with him?” 27And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.” The day of rest is for us. It’s the principle of it that matters. Strict adherence to these rules does no one any good when you value legalism over the intent.
@@deyensi i dont think its strict. i was always taught to read the 10 commandments as promises: "if the love of God is in you, thou shalt not have any other gods before me" etc.. and so on. no other day was left to us, so we came up with our own? sounds flaky at best. peter said "we ought obey God rather than man".. Jesus' sacrifice wasnt just dying on the cross for our sins.. that was like.. a by product. "fulfilling the law" was his very life on earth. a sinless life sinless death and sinless resurrection. you're basically suggesting that even following Christ is legalism, which is borderline insane? He didnt come to earth to do the work for us then bugger off, He came to show us how it was done. how in blue hell do you know Jesus to be "the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE" then even suggest that we make our own? if you omit (Heaven forbid) the entirety of the old testament, and base our faith and salvation on Christ and His righteousness, it still STARTS at obeying God, wholly. in fact, Jesus even added 2 to the original. in any case, im still not seeing the answer to my question. why is the day God mandated and Jesus confirmed, ignored (only commandment literally starting with 'Remember', btw) and a new day elected? who made this change and why? or to put it into your words, what was the intent behind this?
@@KingRabid Romans 6:14-23 King James Version (KJV) 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. Jesus Christ fulfilled the law
@@urielmesenja1040 is there no longer sin, then? the Law, like with any law, points out sin/wrongdoing. what is the difference between no longer being under the Law and it being acceptable to sin? provided we believe in Jesus, whom was sent as a sacrifice, which im pretty sure everyone here does (i should hope so lol), then basically everything that was listed under the Law should be free reign now, no?
Keeping the seventh day Sabbath was part of the Law of Moses, which is no longer in force now that Christ has come (Gal 3:19-25). It's not that God has changed. It's just that the Law of Moses has been superseded by the Law of Christ (1 Cor 9:21; Gal 6:2). In Col 2:16-17 Paul tells the Colossians: "Therefore, don't let anyone judge you in regard to food or drink or regarding a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of what was to come." The implication in this passage is that the shadow no longer counts now that Christ has come. That is not to say that it is wrong to keep the Jewish Sabbath. Christians may keep the Jewish Sabbath or they may observe Sunday as a special day, but these things are not compulsory for us. As Paul says in Rom 14:5: "One person considers one day to be more important than another day. Someone else considers every day to be the same. Let each person be convinced in his own mind."
I have never understood people, who claim to be bought with the blood of Jesus, calling themselves something other than “a Christian”. Period. You are either a follower of Catholicism, Lutheran, Calvinist, Mormon, Seventh Day Adventist, etc..... or you’re a Christian. Be a blood bought “Christ”ian. Being anything else, is futile. It’s not scriptural. Thank you Jesus Christ for your awesome willingness to pay the price for MY sin. Have your way Lord. Have your way in me. More of you and less of me, everyday. Help Lord. You know me. Thank you. I love you.
That was before Christ appeared to him on Damascus road!! You aren't held accountable of your sins after you repent and are born again! The Bible says your sins are washed clean!
Not even a difficult question - do what the Bible clearly says. Adultery most definitely disqualifies a man from pastoral ministry. Of course, we need to pause and be reminded that the modern American concept of pastor is not even in the Bible. Being an elder/overseer in God's church was never intended to be a career.
Its notable that John states that there is no definite standard from the scripture to answer the question, and yet he continues to present his opinion as though his opinion is the inerrant and inspired Word of God. I'm sorry but in my opinion John has disqualified himself as one of my sources of wisdom when he basically endorsed Joe Biden for president. Signed - a former pastor who was been away from the pulpit for over 3 years.
@@urielmesenja1040 yes ! But we must keep/do the commandments and laws. The only law that was "nailed" to the cross was the sacrificial law, as Christ died for us and became that sacrifice.
@@urielmesenja1040 now what is the precept for truth ? God is looking for people to worship him in Spirit and in truth. What is truth according to the Bible ?
“There’s a vast difference between being forgiven and being trusted.” Man, that hits hard and rings true.
That is a common propositional statement that negates the doctrine of grace. St. Peter denied Christ and removed himself from ministry- yet Christ restored him because of his repentance. Not all cases are the same- there is no need to "prove to be a new person." There is no such thing for the regenerate. That Pastor simply needs to step away from ministry- and leave it for later in life- anyone can fall into a grievous sin.
I love Pastor John. Such wisdom and counsel.
This topic is my story. I was in ministry for almost 20 years, its sad that i Just had the opportunity to head a church somewhere in the middle east for 3 years ,but then i failed. I discpilined myself nobody told me to do so. But i know the truths of the bible. So im out of formal ministry for 2 years now, doing other work. I dont know if i can still can back , its depressing at the same timw im thankful that God did not let me to live a life of sin but instead discplined me and show me more of His love.
Get back in the pulpit. The gifts and calling of God are without repentance!
The Lord never leave you nor forsakes you. He restored Peter and other disciples for His ministries. The Lord shall dicipline you for He loves you. I desire that you handover the church to a another pastor in order to keep the sanctity and testimonies of the church. AND start a new fresh ministry.... after you are sure of your repentance ( change of mind ) and re-commitment to the Lord.
God can and will use to win souls and edify the church. Satan might often discourage you and create humiliation in you. But be confidence in the blood of the Lamb and serve Him for His forgiveness. God bless you my brother.
What about when the women cheats on the pastor? Because I've seen the pastors getting discharge taking the blame and mockery Also they do their life miserable i knew a pastor whos wife was on and on for years with different people 2 decades why did they pass that honest man through all that ? Such pain all the time not metioning humiliation...why he was not allowed to get his divorce? she never repented he was the main topic all over the place... he was so humble and practice holiness and fear God the most, why the assemblies of God or whatever name never had mercy on that kind of situation when it comes to that kind of serious sin or problem?he was to be blame when he proved he was righteous? Thats not fair that he never enjoyed his marriage because his wife was busy pleasing the whole town.ah?!! dont want light answers please because if someone takes time to discuss one point of view for sure will have to discuss the other one. excuse my English please! am on it .
This is a good example of true repentance. From the case given in the video, the man was exposed. He only admitted he was wrong after being exposed. That's not repentance. I don't know what sin you committed, but I find that Pastors are to be exemplary. If people know you as someone who is truly repentant and not as an untrustworthy sinner, then you are exemplary. Also, having the giftings of an eldership role is not having the calling to an eldership role. You may never serve as an elder again, but you can walk in obedience to Christ, proclaiming the gospel and making disciples. You probably know all this, but I share it in hopes of stirring up the Holy Spirit and the Word of God within you
Having seen a lot of pastors walk away from the church I'd say the only thing that disqualifies a pastor is lack of repentance of their sins. They are fallen sinners just like the rest of us.
@Huey Leadbetter I haven't done yet but I've added him to my list. His links to Times Square Church and David Wilkerson are promising signs.
No hate from you brother so no apology needed although that means there is probably an apology need to you from me! I am signed up to a lot of Christian content from America and the United Kingdom as it's always helpful to get a spread. I have some David Wilkerson books in my library so Carter Conlon seems to be along the right lines.
Yup! Spot on. Too many give laundry lists of sins and forget that Jesus didn't do this. It's funny that Moses killed a dude and led and Paul was heading out to round em all up and wrote out the majority of why we know what we know in that West.
@@micahtaylor1397There are qualifications for elders in Timothy and Titus.
I understand this. There are qualifications overtly listed. But for example being divorced isn't one of them. We have extrapolated things because of how we feel. Husband of one wife means "husband of one wife," so be married currently to one woman. I've been to places that shun divorced people from leadership.
Thank you Pastor John for this wisdom and truth that is much needed today in our world of superstars and gifting that is lifted above character and devotion to Christ.
I agree that "he should look for other work, and go about his life humbly....."
The Bible says that we are to live lives worthy of our calling! A pastor is to be a leader, a role model, a shepherd, an instructor.
If he can not beat his flesh into submission and control his carnality, then he should not be in a leadership role.
Forgiveness is something completely different. My grandfather molested me. I forgave him. It does not mean I trust him with my children.
A pastor who commits adultery while leading a congregation is not living a life worthy of his calling. He should not be ousted from the church. If he is truly repentant, he should come back to the church as a member of the congregation not a leader.
Pastor John you've nailed this one perfectly!
Question for reflection: according to Romans 1 and 2, who lives their life worthy of their calling? Who faultlessly has their flesh in complete submission?
If you were to apply that standard to yourself, you’d fail. The elder brother in the parable of the prodigal son thought he was a good person, an upright person, when comparing himself with his fallen brother.
Sadly, the parable shows that the elder brother’s self-righteousness put him further away from God--and he didn’t even know it.
Jay Dub
There is a list of people who will not inherit the kingdom. If you are living a life that puts you among them then you have NO BUSINESS instructing His flock.
We are to take the plank from our eyes before we try and remove the speck from our brother’s. How does one headed to Hell instruct anyone about how to get to Heaven?
Be reasonable... 🤷🏻♀️
Living a Godly life and walking in God’s statutes and commandments does not make one self-righteous.
We know where our righteousness comes from. A person who walks with God climbs out of their sinful nature, they do not wallow in it.
There are VERY specific requirements for what qualities a leader or elder should possess. These requirements come from God. You don’t like it take your argument up with Him.
Pssst... Whenever you think your thoughts are higher than His you are dead wrong.
“So a church leader must be a man whose life is above reproach. He must be faithful to his wife.[a] He must exercise self-control, live wisely, and have a good reputation. He must enjoy having guests in his home, and he must be able to teach” (1 Tim. 3:2, NLT).
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Apply what Romans 2 says: We all sin, every day, and we all rely on God's grace every day.
Are you suggesting that you are sinless? That you don't deserve complete and utter judgement outside of Christ?
If you, a sinner, need God's mercy every day, why would you deny someone that same grace and mercy because they fell in a different way to you?
You are just as deserving of death as they are.
If, in Christ, they repent and are justified by God, for what reasons do you deny them God's grace?
May I graciously point out that you have a log in your eye?
Will you cast the first stone?
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Romans 2:1 (LEB): Therefore you are without excuse, O man, every one of you who passes judgment. For in that which you pass judgment on someone else, you condemn yourself, for you who are passing judgment are doing the same things.”
Jay Dub
You are talking about two different things here.
1. Is a matter of salvation.
2. The other is a matter of what God Himself requires of a pastor/leadership role in the church.
Did you miss the part where I said the man should continue as a member of the church?
Miss me with your twisting of my words. Clearly you are attempting to be argumentative simply for the sake of an argument.
Intentional, willful sin has no place in my life. His seed abides in me.
No log in my eye sir. I’ve been through the vomit, I refuse to return to it.
“Those who sin should be reprimanded in front of the whole church; this will serve as a strong warning to others” (1Tim 5:20).
Here are 28 verses from God Himself about those who persist in sin.
bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Continuing-In-Sin
You sir know absolutely nothing about me. CLEARLY....
You are also seriously lacking in your understanding of scripture.
I on the other hand spend 90% of my waking hours studying it relentlessly. I do this because it is commanded of me, not suggested. I have devoted my life to God and to being instructed by Him.
You have seriously twisted my words and attempted to erode the word of God. Nowhere did I say that the man is not able to be saved or repent.
WHAT I SAID was that his actions disqualify him for the position of elder/pastor...
ACCORDING TO GOD.... I stand by this. Well, because God says so....
Pastor John Hagge had an affair with a member of his church, was found out, divorced his wife of whom he had two children, then married the woman he had an affair with and started Cornerstone church a year later. He now has 5 children and a nearly 8,000 acre ranch with multiple multi million dollar homes and several million dollars in the bank while preaching to others how adultery is wrong. He was one of my favorite pastors for years until earlier this year when I found out about him. I was heartbroken but unshaken in my faith, however I believe he is certainly unqualified to preach again. A pastor is to be beyond reproach 1 Timothy 3:2. Almighty God was very clear in this verse. John Hagee has his cake and has eaten it his entire life. The souls that have been eternally lost due to his selfish and reckless behavior is probably staggering. He knew better, and if he wanted that life and to commit that violation of his office then he should have stepped down and received his reward and never preached again.
Bruh steer clear of televangelists.
@@sammybelskus1534 oh yes.
😦😦😦😦😦😮😦😦 No Not John Hagee please say it's not true
@@Mr.Boddie oh yes. You can Google the story.
@@Qui_Gon_Jinn_76 😥😥😥😥😥😥 I'm so disappointed 😔😔😔😔😔
I’m the light of the allegations on Pastor Johnny Hunt I am eternally grateful for your wisdom John.
This is awesomely a true and good word!
If we confess our sins, he is faithful, and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9.
100.0% but do you, Sean Mick, hire a convicted child molester to babysit your kids even if he/she has repented?
But…
Thank you, Pastor John. "Profound unfitness"...thank you for marking those words.
Thank you for working through this question. It gave me many things to think about in regards to 1 Timothy 3 and the responsibility of the church to be proactive on this topic.
Excellent teaching full of good insights. John Piper really understands how serious it is when a pastor commits adultery.
Here are a few thoughts of my own on this subject:
(1) There shouldn't be a rule set in stone for how to treat a pastor who has sinned and wants to get back into Christian leadership. There will be a certain amount of variety from case to case.
(2) We mustn't forget that the gospel is all about forgiveness. So it is wrong to say simply that every pastor who commits adultery should never, ever under any circumstances be allowed to be a Christian leader again. For example, if a man is 30 years old when he sins, to say that even when he is 60 he should be automatically barred from leadership is to go too far. It doesn't appreciate either God's forgiveness or his ability to change people.
(3) Almost always it will be wrong for a man to be allowed to get back into ministry within a matter of months of repenting of his sins. As Piper says, he should typically aim to get another job and spend years demonstrating that he is a changed character.
"a pastor who has sinned and wants to get back into Christian leadership. " a Pastor is a man, men sin daily.
@@urielmesenja1040 I was just allowing the context of the topic in this video to qualify what I meant by 'who has sinned'. I meant 'who has sinned in such a way that disqualifies him from leadership'.
@@maxaplin4204 Yes, i am aware of what you meant brother.
The man doesn't loose his gift, but may no longer qualify for the "office" ~ 1 Tim 3:1-7, Tit 1:5-9
If the man had the Holy Spirit removed from him he would no longer be "born again".
That correct. However should no longer be an example..
@@gospelforafrica959 Then that would mean that his salvation is dependent upon his works. The Bible is clear that no one has salvation by their works of righteousness. When a man (or women but we are talking about men in leadership here) is truly saved God does not take the Holy Spirit away from him.
@@saynotohookups it's not about salvation but rather being an example
@gospelforafrica959 Do not pick and choose and apply according to your whims or opinions.
I think any pastor who touches or molest children or sleeps around shouldn't be allowed to pastor ever again just my opinion
You 2 are both right bless you both
We can accept a repentant person back as a member of the family, but holding important offices in the church, that person must be trustworthy.
Agree with the thing about children . Certainly !
@@ngdavid3925 Exactly people in the church have to be able to trust the person leading them and if they can't trust that leader around their children then there's no use of him being there and 1 Timothy 3 makes it clear on the office of a Bishop/pastor
Ng David what is trustworthy? And according to whose standard? People can be extremely convincing liars when they want something. People can also be absolutely unconvincing speakers when they are speaking truthfully. I truly think the only thing we can do is to look for a heart of actual repentance that is proven through Christ loving action.
Reading 1 Corinthians 5 seems to answer these questions pretty directly and boldly in Paul's letter to Corinth. It is not specifying pastor but anyone who commits sexual immorality in the body of Messiah. Jesus/Yeshua blessings.
Great answer thank you Pastor
At minimum it seems as though that a Christian who goes with another man's wife is barred for life (or at least until the husband dies) from ever being an Elder or Deacon because Elders and Deacons are to be above reproach and Proverbs 6:32-35 says for such a man that his reproach will never go away.
This topic was very informative! I wondered about this specific topic before. Thanks and God bless you Pastor John.
Sounds like he has not truly thought of anyone else but still thinking of himself.. I pray the council has tremendous wisdom to handle him with grace and protect the flock
Thank you so much pastor John.
The Bible says God’s callings are without repentance which to me says that someone who has genuinely repented and dealt with the issues that led him into that sin, then he should continue the calling. The Bible also talks about the importance of restoring those who have fallen.
Forgivness yes AMEN. But leadership in the Church. NO.
Great wisdom has been dispensed here. God help us.
Thank you pastor
Everyone has sinned and fallen short. Call me not rabbi or any Thesaurus dictionary word of it, for only one is my Master and that is Jesus Christ in God our Father creator of everything.
James 1:5 trust God and follow Christ
Ebon Collins yes. The question is not has someone been forgiven by God or the person they have wronged the question is should they serve as a pastor after that. And I think what he says is accurate. A man who is able to just get in the bed with another woman who is not his wife is exemplifying unfitness for pastoral ministry. End of story. That does not mean he can’t be forgiven by God and by his wife but that does not mean he is fit to pastor a flock of males and females trust cannot be restored overnight and that’s the issue plus the embarrassment of the gospel we are just making a mockery of Christ left and right by jumping in and out of bed with people we are not married to. I apologize if this is too bold but I am so over this topic.
Very biblical statement on this topic. Our culture, I believe, is changing the way churches view this topic. The church is moving away from God when it comes to this question.
What ever u do before u are saved is forgiven. After we need God Grace.
?? Jesus paid for it all, before any of us were born. All of your sin - past, present, and future - is paid for.
@@Charles.Wright so keep on sinning?
@@samanthatruong8390 by no means! I was just objecting to the ludicrous top-level comment. We need God's grace before AND after we hear and believe, or when we believe and are baptized, or when we confess and believe...
I was just pointing out that, chronologically, all of our sin has occurred after the death and resurrection of Jesus.
@@Charles.Wright ok. I'm a new believer. I can't understand how people who call themselves Christen keep on sinning without repenting.🤷🏻♀️
I believe that one of the main marks of genuine repentance would be his voluntarily removing himself from the gospel ministry and never again consider such as a calling for his life!
Yes !!!
Amen and it is very critical for us how are purpose is genuinely outlived within our lifetime.
Well said.
I know about 4 years ago my Sr. Pastor had an affair with a married women in my church. Her family ended up seperating. But he and his wife are still together. He voluntarily stepped down and genuinely seemed broken. I don't know if he was caught it if he confessed. Either way, he said he was "no longer qualified." Now I don't know how long he has been at another church. But I know he worked in insurance for like 2 years and started going to another church. Then they ended up hiring him on as their life group pastor. So I guess things are working out for him.
Give it time
It doesn't happen overnight, a little sin here, a little sin there. He didn't just fall into sin. Little things became a norm for him like watching more tv than reading the bible, or just looking again at the woman walking the dog, etc. As a man I know as well as any other man that we're geared with visual eyes that controls our passions. We must get every thought captive according to the word of God. Truth is it could happen to any of us but some they just let take control and yes they should stay away from a pastor leadership. David repented yes, but there was a judgement that went it, his son died. Yes there's grace but God chastises those who He loves.
yes those little 'baby' sins are actually like leaven and they will leaven the whole lump... neglecting simple things like daily Bible reading will have a snowball effect on a christian down the road
Was this in Trinidad by chance? Won’t cal any names but I think I knew about this.
There is no disqualification because we are not worthy even for salvation based on our own good works and self-righteousness. We are able to be saved and serve because of God's grace. If it is by God's grace then no one can be disqualified based on own performance. It is your self condemnation, own feeling of unworthiness and allowing yourself to be affected by opinion of others that caused you to feel disqualified.
Read Titus and 1 Timothy bro
@@sammybelskus1534 King David committed adultery and he is still king until he die. There is no permanent disqualification. Only people who fall and never stand up get permanently disqualified.
Insightful
I am unable to see if any examples to encourge such fallen man of God in the New Testament. However, can we see examples of David, Solomon, Samson, and other saints of God fallen in several sins, but yet used by God in several ways ?
I think only the Lord can convict the person if he needs to be in the ministry of the church.
I also think that such pastor or minister need not to go back to some other works if the the Lord still holds in him in His hands. The Lord can revive dead bones to make a mighty army.
I think there are some circumstances where it's acceptable for fallen pastors to be restored as a pastor again, I think there are some circumstances where it's acceptable for fallen pastors to be restored as pastors again after a significant amount of time of them not being pastors, not being in ministry, etc, and I think there are some circumstances where fallen pastors should never work as pastors ever again for the rest of their life.
Pastors that molest children, rape people, take advantage of elderly people, abuse vulnerable people, steal thousands of dollars from people, commit fraud, etc should never work as pastors ever again for the rest of their life.
Pastors that commit adultery need to be held accountable for what they did and receive an appropriate punishment for what they did. Adultery is a sin. Adultery is the kind of sin that warrants pastors being held accountable job wise for what they did. I think there are some circumstances where it's acceptable for a pastor who commits adultery to work as a pastor again after a significant amount of time of them not being in the ministry, not working a pastor, etc, and I think there are some circumstances where pastors who commit adultery should never work as a pastor ever again for the rest of their life.
God's criteria is pure repentance 1 John 1:9. Prove himself before God and it just a matter of time. God qualifies and only God and the pastor himself can disqualify himself.
What matters about starting the week on Sunday? And how does taking communion on Sunday take effect on our lives?
A pastor can teach anything he wants to. It is the responsibility of the person..listening or not listening..to Know Jesus. It is our responsibility to Seek Jesus for Ourselves..to Know the Truth.
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If Jesus Told me..He was going to be There..Yes! If a man told me..He was going to be There..and Jesus didn’t confirm it..No! You don’t understand. Jesus..HimSelf Guides me. I do not depend on men. That is the whole thing Jesus Saved me from!
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Jesus has been with me since I was six years old. Then I listened to Churches and churchmen. They messed me up my whole life. Finally..Jesus led me to His Gospel and I Returned to Him. My life is back on tract again. I know His Voice. When you Know Jesus Yourself..you no longer need men’s opinions of Him. You Know Him..YourSelf. It is a very Good Place to be.
Huey Leadbetter
Jesus has performed many miracles for me. But..mostly..He Teaches me the Right thing to Do. He has Done this for me..my whole life..except when I listened to men and did not listen to Him. Those were my mistakes.
Huey Leadbetter
Jesus is Always With me! He speaks when He Knows I Need something. “The Father knows what you need before you ask.” Jesus Told us!
Huey Leadbetter
I have been recommending people to Matthew chapters 5 6 7 for months! Everyone tells me I am judging them and mistreating them. But no one will read Matthew 5 6 7..you all tell me I am wrong and going to Hell. I cannot help it! Jesus Complete Gospel is in Matthew 5 6 7. If you would just read it! You would know what Jesus wants and what He Does.
Very interesting.
I'm a born again Christian. I met Father God 9 years ago in China. Through Jesus. I tried to go to church, to learn to study to testify to evangelize.
I have no earthly dad, my mother is a widow. The church elders, didn't smoke, drink or appeared to be leaders. Rejected me and I became homeless.
Now the God I know, says He cares about the fatherless the orphan and the widow. That He is close to the broken hearted. We do need good leaders with integrity but also with a heart of Christ. Who did Jesus choose as apostles, or anointed? David, the adulterer and murderer? Paul who killed Christians? Peter who denied Jesus? Thomas who doubted? Just a thought but don't we serve a God of second chances & seventy times 7? So how can we preach that but then debate if we should do that?
The issue isn't forgiving the pastor; the issue is qualification.
My question would be what of a man who’s wife left him bc she committed adultery. If a man who has been divorced for years bc his wife left him. Is that man able to pastor a church?
I think Paul is such a great role model for any pastor. His whole goal was to bring people to Christ and to present the church to the Lord as a pure bride (without defilement). He knew he could only do this by being pure himself which is why he said “I discipline my body like an athlete, training it to do what it should. Otherwise, I fear that after preaching to others I myself might be disqualified.”
1 Corinthians 9:27
“And it will be, like people, like priest; So I will punish them for their ways And repay them for their deeds.” Hosea 4:9
How the leaders are, is how the church will be. God is clear that the leaders are held to a MUCH higher standard because He wants them to lead the people into that high standard too. He wants and expects holiness from His people. Christ wants a pure bride, not a prostitute. She is made pure by His blood but then she must also be pure in conduct.
With the pornography statistics alone (over half the pastors have an issue with consuming it) is it a wonder than the statistics also show that there’s little difference in the number of “Christians” who watch it and the world? You cannot drink of the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. Just like in the days of Jeremiah before the coming judgment, the leaders were leading their people into sin, it is the same today. They cry “peace, peace when there is no peace.” God is not pleased with the world, the state of the “church” nor the leaders and His judgment is coming soon.
For those who truly have eyes to see and ears to hear, as you have your hope fixed on the coming of our precious Lord and bridegroom, ready yourself like a bride does before the wedding. Purify yourselves and He is pure. Our Lord is coming soon! 🙌🏻
Does the adultery of the pastor’s WIFE disqualify him from service? What about if she then proceeds with divorce and remarriage?
Parlaying for Lawson and his family
I have wondered about this, and I have an additional thought. If the Holy Spirit gives gifts and may as easily take them, why doesn't God "remove the lampstand" as it were, taking the teaching and/or shepherding gifts alongside the failure? I wonder why it's even a question, why are there men available, with extant gifts, for churches to wrestle with the fitness of?
2: Titus 1:6
Its a solem issue adultry is a dis qualifying sin.GOD IS PATIENT.AND FORGIVING.. A ELDER MUST BE BLAMLESS THE HUSAND OF ONE WOMEN.. HE CAN BE A SERVANT BUT PASTOR HE NEEDS TO BE A HOLY MAN.. A EXAMPLE TO THE FLOCK.. HE SHOULD BE FORGIVEN AND LOVED. But not a pastor.. He needs to be Humble and be a Humble servant.
Sobering counsel indeed
Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Unless a pastor is super human, I am willing to bet most are guilty of adultery after conversion.
It is true that Jesus teaches that a man who gives in to lust has committed adultery in his heart. But there is still a huge difference between someone who gives in to temptation for a few seconds to commit adultery in their heart, and someone who spends hours, days or longer actually committing acts of adultery.
@@maxaplin4204 In the eyes of God if you look at a woman with lust for a single second its punishable with the same lake of fire as a man who sleeps with many women out of marriage. This teaching exposes what you are attempting to justify.
@@maxaplin4204 There are two married men, one commits adultery as you say in person, Its ongoing for months. He confesses his sin before God with true repentance. The other man does not touch another woman, downplaying the seriousness of indulging with his eyes and in secret fantasy. His understanding never leads him to true repentance, his sin leads to self righteousness and idolatry. God has said it is the same for the very reason being ; the nature of man is to consider it a lesser offence.
@@urielmesenja1040 I am not downplaying the seriousness of committing adultery in the heart. It is indeed a grave sin. I very much respect the fact that you realise this.
I also agree with you that most pastors will be guilty of adultery in the heart to some extent.
And I agree with you too that in the example you have just given, the second man is now the one who is in the wrong. The first man has repented, the second man has not.
In my earlier comment, the main thing I was stressing was the variation in how repentant people are. There is a huge difference between someone who fights against temptation and sometimes loses the fight, and someone who doesn't even bother to fight. If someone fights against temptation to commit adultery but gives in for a few seconds now and then, that is very bad. But it is so much worse if someone doesn't even fight temptation and just commits adultery unrepentantly for a long period of time.
@@maxaplin4204 Alright now consider the difference between a man who Satan tempts with vigor a few times a week and a man Satan tempts every waking moment of their life. On the surface the man who is tempted much less will appear more obedient, more faithful to God possibly even perceived as more blessed. Beneath the surface the man who the Devil attempts to break around every slippery corner has no option but to tie a knot at the end of their rope and trust in God with everything they are. Even if they fall flat on their face and lay in the dirt struggling to even get up, God Himself will come down from heaven and carry them to the finish line to honor him.
King David committed adultery and was one of the Godliest men in the bible. We need to mimic Christ and have absolute forgiveness, not holding peoples sins against them as long as they repent.
So I think the tricky thing is that both sides (removal from ministry or forgiveness and receival) are valid. They both rightfully exist at the same time, and don't negate each other.
So Piper has a valid point, and so do you; and I don't want to dismiss either
I can t say King David was not forgiven, yet, look at the consequences that ocurred once He sinned then
What you say about David is true but please keep a few things in mind.
1. Israel’s kings were chosen and appointed by God Himself. Their holding the royal office was not on condition of the people’s vote or choice. Therefore it was God who both forgave and reinstated David onto his throne, not the people.
2. Pastors on the other hand are chosen and placed into their office by the church. Hence the list of qualifications. Which means that pastors can be removed from the office by the church for failing to meet the divine criteria.
It is dangerous to treat pastors as the continuation of the old covenant monarchy when scripture does not bear this out. How God handled kings is not always analogous to how we should handle pastors.
As Pastor Piper stated, forgiveness does not equal trust, even in the face of repentance. I don’t see Paul complaining that the church didn’t really forgive him because they still saw him as a potential persecutor shortly after his Damascus road experience. Instead he did what God had called him to do and earned their trust. It is not holding the sins of a child molester against him if after he “repents” he is not allowed to participate in the children’s ministry.
Bensheh Morgan Excellent 👌 (On a side note: I do hope for this pastor that his repentance is genuine and that God will restore him in whatever way He sees fit).
I also think that Bensheh Morgan made some good points. There is a big difference between forgiving someone and deciding that they are fit to be a Christian leader. Forgiveness can take place immediately, but a pastor who has committed a grave sin will usually need to demonstrate over a long period of time that he is a changed character and is now fit for leadership.
The unsaved world , earthy kingdom, demands our public service politicians have integrity in this area. To nominate a divorced president was and is a big deal to unregenerated people. How much more Ambassadors of Christ and His Kingdom???? To reinstate a pastor is clear disobedience to scripture. It is a bad example for leadership and Gods wisdom to not allow this has nothing to do with the pastor but everything to do with how the unsaved and the sheep see this. If we don’t hold the leaders in GODs kingdom to a high standard by example we give license to the sheep to “ mess up” in this area and as long as they repent they’re good to go. Dangerous dangerous to not be salt and light and give license via leadership reinstated
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I have no disagreement with his comments regarding adultery, but they apply to all sin. The disqualifying sin is unrepentance. I also agree that a "sufficient" time of showing true repentance is necessary.
Immorality disqualifies an individual from ministry for life. However, God is abundantly willing to forgive a person should they repent.
Thats crazy that she said it happened recently and the church was still considering that.
Amen with this😎😇
What about Romans 11:29 "the gifts and the CALLING of God are IRREVOCABLE"?
I completely agree as well, but not only should a pastor that commits such sin, as should any Christian, for if we are called to be disciples for Christ, we should act accordingly. Amen
John is exceptionally skilled at convincing you of something that is not necessarily biblical. Gotta hand it to him. He makes a very compelling argument. Yet the reality here is always that TIME is used as a magic device, for it is always TIME that is what heals and TIME that causes offense to fade. Notice that TIME is required for Trust, and that Trust is separated from forgiveness. This of course excuses the claim that Paul makes “love keeps no record of wrong and does not seek its own.” Now, tell me, friends, if I claim to forgive someone and then I insist that I do not trust them, am I not keeping a record of wrong? Am I not seeking my own well-being? Let us think and rethink what we as a society have come to accept as proper and return to the Lord and study the truth of forgiveness and become better equipped for the good work of restoration.
If only you watched the whole video
When we are told by God biblical on the Sabbath "keep it holy" what does that say to having faith. I don't believe resting on the Sabbath which for me is staying in bed all day and doing small but necessary chores.Is actually how we are to keep the Sabbath holy in what the commandments teaches us. I'm guessing my real question is. In the week can we repent of a sin if we do commit one and by the Sabbath are we to be holy by then. And don't tell me we are holy God did that for you when you came to him the day you confessed that Jesus is Lord and forgives your sins. So truly Jeremiah speaks to our heart we can lose our salvation. Then in conclusion when we have sin going into the day of rest we then are we making the day unholy because we didn't repent in the week. And when a Christian takes communion without being right in God causes the Bible has written in brings death.And then a communion that we take on the first day of the week is to say we are going to do right by God this week and repent of we do a sin...before Saturday comes
like most things.....too many requirements...are simply overlooked...
Question: is it really a complete conversion, even though someone professes intellectually to follow God, but is still emotionally compromised? We need to be consistent, either God gives His full power and chooses one who is to be born again or He doesn't...if it's the latter then preach Arminianism instead.
I find it odd that many churches will restore an adulterer to the pastorate but they won't ordain a divorced man, even if he was divorced before coming to Christ.
@@randyd9805 What is your take on the same phrase (but with the sexes reversed) in 1 Timothy 5:9? Some translations say, "having been a faithful wife."
The greatest sin is not adultery...but rather, confessing it. John Piper is a self-righteous Pharisee...go ahead and ask his son.
So he admits that after 50 years in the ministry, all he has to offer is an opinion. Apparently there is no official doctrine on the matter. Funny how common sense alone often prevails whenever the hard issues come up.
Listen from 4:10 please before you comment
I know, right? Those were along the lines of my thoughts too. Is the King James Bible sure on these matters? Certainly it is. How did we get to "in my opinion" and "I think" rather than this is what the scriptures say.
Well said. This guy is afraid to declare exactly what the Bible says about this issue. People are always looking for ways to get around the hard and fast Biblical admonitions about these kinds of issues.
And for those reasons, I'm out
Surely, at least, it is clear that this woman should not be involved in selecting a pastor for a congregation in any way, that should be for the church elders.
Either God forgives completely or he doesn't. David sinned heinously yet God forgave him. If there is true repentance then who is man to get in the way of God's forgiveness and purposes?
God's gifting and calling is irrevocable.
Ironically, some of the most utterly self-righteous and judgemental places on earth are churches--what a blight.
One wonders why people don't openly share their inner struggles with church people...judgemental, self-righteous Christians. The people Romans 2 speaks about.
David king shouldn't be taken as a comparison, because he had an harem. His sin was to kill other
I have been thinking lately and wondering about the Biblical YHWH and the Qur'an Allah. For me it doesn't make sense they could be the same being. In Qur'an Allah is potrayed as transcendent but also seeming like you need to complete his agenda in order to win his love. But YHWH is loving without needing human works. Is the Biblical God the same as the Qur'an God knowing both religions are Abrahamic?
No.
YHWH is The ONE TRUE and ONLY GOD who gives LIGHT and Guidance and Rest and LIFE and SALVATION to those who believe into Him and His Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ our LORD and Savior and Blessed Redeemer.
the other is a false idol created by satan to deceive people a lead them away from believing into the one and ONLY TRUE GOD.
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Right Rodney . Amen !
They are not the same being. You are correct
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This is why you should not look with lust at a woman (especially when you're a pastor!). Jesus said whoever looks at a woman with lust already committed adultery with her in his heart.
If you have a problem looking at other woman with lust, you are not fit yet to be a pastor imo.
Most men struggle with this, including Pastors.
@@urielmesenja1040 Most men wouldn't be fit for a pastor then.. though I do agree with you.
I had an addiction with pornography, but you have to hate it .. repent from it. Turn away from it and turn to the Lord.. I went from looking at it daily to.. it's been a long while now since, and I don't plan on doing it again!
Jesus had to go through all kinds of temptations, I had to turn to Him for help.. pruning also helps.. don't put yourself in situations! A movie that you know has nudity? Skip. An ad that has bikini girls? Quickly scroll away and look away. A TV show that you notice now has things like that? Give it up.
But that was all possible by praying to Jesus to break free the chains of my addiction with His Holy name.
I think that the definition of adultery is wider than just the sexual act. I suspect adultery could very well include the wife who thinks negative thoughts about her husband and mentally leaves her role as supportive spouse for comfort with her friends. Folks, if murder can be in the heart, so can adultery - and not simply looking with lust.
We Christians need to cite the evil act of adultery - whether sex, fantasy, or any other betrayal of one's covenant. So all who were about to cast the stone at this pastor, go ahead.
Jesus said, whoever looks upon anyone with lust, commits adultery in thier heart. Yes, I firmly agree. God bless
The pastor seem to think that there is no sin that can disqualify them from joining Jesus when judgment come my answer is the same That disqualify everyone else lying stealing playing with the Lord
how does this relate to the man who commits adultery multiple times a day in lust?
To say or imply people, after sexual failure, are no longer useful in their calling is simply opinion and not divine as stated by pastor Piper. God is in control and he has left this door open and so he may do as he pleases. Man is not in control of what God can only do. Restoration is foundational the Christian message. We do not follow pastors, but we follow them as they follow the Lord.
What if one of our pastors got a divorce? Should we leave the church?
He cannot be a pastor, if he can’t even lead his own household how can he lead a church. I hope you left
May I ask this question ,dear Pastor..what sbout lying to.people..a pastor caught lying ... will his testimony p
Matters snd some of the church members covered it.coz they are afraid the church may split
There was no confrontation made...nothing happened of gorgives ftom concern members. Snd this name thrm ledger rhe church..and started a a fellowship....is thus right pastor?
Sadly, I know of too many pastors who continue in the ministry after committing adultry. Most were removed from their position, but hired elsewhere. Even more sad is the willingness of some churches to hire them. I want a pastor who serves with integrity and honor and who isn't vulnerable to judgment about his character based on sins committed while in the office of pastor.
There no perfect Pastors..
So they cant serve at all because serving is doing ministry. he cant even be on door duty? Where do you draw the line?
I am not a pastor but feel I would be in the future i was witnessing to a woman who had deep issues in her life and allowed her to stay with me, of course this is bad mistake. But I ended up having sex with her and feel I dishonored the glory. I felt a distressing spirit and quickly repented to her through email. I repented to God and myself. I'm still having trouble forgiving myself the devil used me in that moment and I'm afraid I've lost my glory due to this error.
What about our ex pastor whose wife died, within 2 years he remarried his deceased wife's best friend, BUT he married a divorced woman whose husband is still alive, I have looked into this as deep as I possible can and the scales tip ever so slightly in the adultery down side. It makes sense.. nothing seems right between them and EVERY SERMON FOR YEARS he "constantly" brings up and tells story after story about his first wife while his divorced wife sits in the front row alone, crippled with arthritis seamingly OK with it. He's a heavy smoker, cusses, extremely flirtatious and admits he's narcissistic. I am one of the few that thinks as long as your ex is alive you better play it safe and not remarry and I have heard all the combative arguments (so it seems) and still..... sorry Charlie, till death do you part/covenant. Divorce yes, remarriage? No.. M
Here's the verse sis : Matthew 5:32
What sins disqualify a pastor, when he like everyone else is not following the laws, statues and commandments of God, and calling Jesus Christ your Lord and savior, when all through the Bible tells us God is the savior. Like in Luke, Jude, Timothy, Titus, Revelation, Isaiah.......
Every church my ex husband and I attended his had affairs authority women in the church. My ex husband was a minister he is now a pastor he just committed adultery this week again. He has a sexual addiction.
No he’s just simply loving sexual sin….
Wow JESUS SAID HE THAT IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE THE ONLY ONE WITHOUT SIN IS JESUS CHRIST I,M I WRONG HERE ???
Preaching the OT as if it's Christianity. Also, preaching apostles ideas as if they are Christianity. And praying to Mary as if she is divine when she is not. And getting rich from preaching.
No quarter given, since the Pastor Pharisee hypocrisy condemns a man for a divorce years before the man’s redemption. GOD cast the man’s divorce sin, after his rebirth, as far as the east from the west, BUT, the Pharisees will block a redeemed man from serving as a deacon. Hmmm, GOD forgave, man condemns.
Great
My own take on this talk from the pastor is that, when someone can trust the spouse, is better than when you always forgive him or her. Such a pastor who commits adultery or fornication is not really a called born again Christian to serve among the brethren in the church rather he's a wolves in sheep's clothing. Quote me anywhere.
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I m o. When you join the religion you ask for forgiveness . For the sins you have done. Then any sin while in religion should be a no no. You have to work really for the forgiveness the second time. So for me the pastor should not be a pastor. I'm a new Christan I've just started and I'm going by the book
C E no man. You can’t earn forgiveness. You can’t work to justify your soul in God’s sight. In the eyes of God, It is painted over by the blood of Christ. You live a lifestyle of righteousness not to earn forgiveness, but from a place of being forgiven for every sin past, present and future, and loving God for who he is, and seeking to show his worth and value, and out of love. Romans speaks about this regarding the one who is still under law. He is trying to earn what he cannot. He hasn’t accepted the gift of Christ.
D. Oliver Amen!
Not really. As Christians, we are commanded to forgive 70 times 7. In other words: always and at any time. Those are Jesus’ words. I do agree that after being converted, we should be extremely careful with playing with sin. We must keep living in a state of fear of the Lord. But forgivess is for free and endless. Forgiveness is not earned, it is a gift. And we are commanded to give it to anyone who wrongs us. After all; the One person in the universe who had the right to NOT forgive, forgave us all. Who are we to deny forgiveness to whoever asks for it?
God bless you and may God lead you in this wonderful path of Christian living :)
He only repented because he got caught
if we know our God is unchanging, and His Law is perfect and without flaw, why do so many Christians keep sunday instead of the 7th day Sabbath? by who's right or reason was this change validated? Jesus Himself kept the Sabbath, did He not?
KingRabid 23One Sabbath he was going through the grainfields, and as they made their way, his disciples began to pluck heads of grain. 24And the Pharisees were saying to him, “Look, why are they doing what is not lawful on the Sabbath?” 25And he said to them, “Have you never read what David did, when he was in need and was hungry, he and those who were with him: 26how he entered the house of God, in the time ofd Abiathar the high priest, and ate the bread of the Presence, which it is not lawful for any but the priests to eat, and also gave it to those who were with him?” 27And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.” The day of rest is for us. It’s the principle of it that matters. Strict adherence to these rules does no one any good when you value legalism over the intent.
@@deyensi i dont think its strict. i was always taught to read the 10 commandments as promises: "if the love of God is in you, thou shalt not have any other gods before me" etc.. and so on. no other day was left to us, so we came up with our own? sounds flaky at best. peter said "we ought obey God rather than man".. Jesus' sacrifice wasnt just dying on the cross for our sins.. that was like.. a by product. "fulfilling the law" was his very life on earth. a sinless life sinless death and sinless resurrection. you're basically suggesting that even following Christ is legalism, which is borderline insane? He didnt come to earth to do the work for us then bugger off, He came to show us how it was done. how in blue hell do you know Jesus to be "the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE" then even suggest that we make our own? if you omit (Heaven forbid) the entirety of the old testament, and base our faith and salvation on Christ and His righteousness, it still STARTS at obeying God, wholly. in fact, Jesus even added 2 to the original.
in any case, im still not seeing the answer to my question. why is the day God mandated and Jesus confirmed, ignored (only commandment literally starting with 'Remember', btw) and a new day elected? who made this change and why? or to put it into your words, what was the intent behind this?
@@KingRabid Romans 6:14-23 King James Version (KJV)
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. Jesus Christ fulfilled the law
@@urielmesenja1040 is there no longer sin, then? the Law, like with any law, points out sin/wrongdoing. what is the difference between no longer being under the Law and it being acceptable to sin? provided we believe in Jesus, whom was sent as a sacrifice, which im pretty sure everyone here does (i should hope so lol), then basically everything that was listed under the Law should be free reign now, no?
Keeping the seventh day Sabbath was part of the Law of Moses, which is no longer in force now that Christ has come (Gal 3:19-25). It's not that God has changed. It's just that the Law of Moses has been superseded by the Law of Christ (1 Cor 9:21; Gal 6:2).
In Col 2:16-17 Paul tells the Colossians: "Therefore, don't let anyone judge you in regard to food or drink or regarding a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of what was to come."
The implication in this passage is that the shadow no longer counts now that Christ has come. That is not to say that it is wrong to keep the Jewish Sabbath. Christians may keep the Jewish Sabbath or they may observe Sunday as a special day, but these things are not compulsory for us.
As Paul says in Rom 14:5: "One person considers one day to be more important than another day. Someone else considers every day to be the same. Let each person be convinced in his own mind."
Answer is easy. Being a 5 point calvinist disqualifies on to be a pastor.
I have never understood people, who claim to be bought with the blood of Jesus, calling themselves something other than “a Christian”. Period. You are either a follower of Catholicism, Lutheran, Calvinist, Mormon, Seventh Day Adventist, etc..... or you’re a Christian. Be a blood bought “Christ”ian. Being anything else, is futile. It’s not scriptural.
Thank you Jesus Christ for your awesome willingness to pay the price for MY sin. Have your way Lord. Have your way in me. More of you and less of me, everyday. Help Lord. You know me. Thank you. I love you.
The Apostle Paul persecuted and killed Christians. Is that not as bad as adultery?
That was before Christ appeared to him on Damascus road!! You aren't held accountable of your sins after you repent and are born again! The Bible says your sins are washed clean!
None, they all been paid for and completely removed by God...good bye sin, hello Jesus.
Not even a difficult question - do what the Bible clearly says. Adultery most definitely disqualifies a man from pastoral ministry. Of course, we need to pause and be reminded that the modern American concept of pastor is not even in the Bible. Being an elder/overseer in God's church was never intended to be a career.
Its notable that John states that there is no definite standard from the scripture to answer the question, and yet he continues to present his opinion as though his opinion is the inerrant and inspired Word of God. I'm sorry but in my opinion John has disqualified himself as one of my sources of wisdom when he basically endorsed Joe Biden for president.
Signed - a former pastor who was been away from the pulpit for over 3 years.
Not keeping the commandments and laws disqualifies anyone from entering the Kingdom.
So if we sin we cannot enter the kingdom? Ever?
@@flintliddon yes. God is looking for people to worship Him in spirit and in truth, according to the Bible, what is truth ?
@@russellstone1503 1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
@@urielmesenja1040 yes ! But we must keep/do the commandments and laws. The only law that was "nailed" to the cross was the sacrificial law, as Christ died for us and became that sacrifice.
@@urielmesenja1040 now what is the precept for truth ? God is looking for people to worship him in Spirit and in truth. What is truth according to the Bible ?
Plagiarism of sermons? This happened in my local church. I lost trust in the pastor's integrity.
Skinny jeans. Mortal sin.
David and Bathsheba. Mic drop.
Yet he was disqualified from building the temple because of bloodshed! Wild stuff.
Charles Wright
yet he still remained king *mic drop* 😂