Nice video. I learned from an old school electrician many years ago, a similar trick to finding a short in your house. If you have edison base fuses (glass fuse with an E26 base, what most household light bulbs have) remove the blown fuse and insert an incandescent or halogen (preferred) or dimmable LED bulb into the fuse socket. With cartridge fuses, use a lamp socket with leads and alligator clips across the cartridge fuse, with power turned off when connecting them. With circuit breakers, wire the lamp socket between the breaker, and the circuit in question, then turn on the power. A short circuit will light the bulb to full brightness. When the problem is located and repaired, the bulb will turn off, or light at a lower brightness if there are still loads connected, the larger the load, the brighter the bulb. Do not operate the circuit with a light bulb in series for more than a minute or so, because some appliances particularly those with motors, can be damaged if ran at reduced voltage for an extended period.
@JarheadDiagnostics So I have a tractor im trying to find a hot wire shorted to the Frame. It has not blown a fuse. I have spent hrs trying to figure this out. When U use the battery disconnect the entire tractor Frame,engine any thing that's metal has 12 volts. Any suggestions?
@@kylen1922 assuming you were unable to get a approximate location of the short by sight, sound smell, (smoke, arcs/sparks, burned plastic) you should be able to isolate the short to a particular circuit connecting a 12 volt test light in series between the negative battery terminal and the negative cable. A short would light the bulb to full brightness, a high resistsnce short that doesn't draw enough current to blow a fuse will make the test light slightly dimmer. In either case, start removing fuses, one by one, when the test light goes out or considerably dimmer, you just found the shorted circuit. You can then inspect for faulty components on that circuit, and check for any areas where the wiring may have rubbed through and touching the chassis.
@@Sparky-ww5re I appreciate your response. This tractor is a electrical nightmare lol. It has 6 fuse boxes and 3 computers. I've un hooked all the fuse boxes with no response. And have checked the hot wires from battery to cab. So I'm about to throw in the towel. Thought the battery's had reverses polarity ..nope. alternator starter ....nope. It's low resistance short so think I'm going to just let it go. Have way to much time into it.
I agree it's by far the best way to track shorts, especially intermittents, because you can wiggle the harness and see where it's shorting. Thanks for sharing!
Nice one Brandon. For a switchable load test light, I made up a set of 4 switches connected with one common positive wire from a single banana plug parallel linked to each switch input terminal, then from each switch output I can individually control a set of 3 globes of a tail light harness I pulled from a junk car, this gives me 4 switchable filaments, and a common ground wire shared by all the globes. I can essentially choose an appropriate load via the 4 switches for most integrity testing, harness shorts etc at the fuse box or pretty much whatever by adapting to the 2 banana plugs to suit what I need. I can then choose a low, med, high, or even higher amp test light, or combination. As an audible tester, I have a 12v car horn and a small piezo buzzer, both with a pair of test leads terminated with banana plugs, which have been super handy for testing circuit integrity or short finding etc when it's not possible to see the test light👍
@@bernardocisneros4402 I haven't tested the 12v horn amp draw, but the tail light harness has 3 bulbs, 4 filaments. One bulb is a dual filament 21w/5w stop/tail, as well as one indicator bulb and one reverse bulb (2×) 21w. At 12v the 5W filament should draw a little under 417mA. The 21w filaments should draw around 1.75A each. All running together that comes to a little under 5.67A, so that's around 670mA more than a 60w H4 halogen headlamp bulb at 12v👍
I've used the same method of using a test light to diagnose a constant short to ground, very effective. Once the test light is in place I've used a DC current-clamp to identify how far the short is traveling in the circuit. If I see the 5A (or however much my test light is drawing) on a given part of the circuit I know the short is further down the line, if I see 0A I know I'm past it.
@@DanielRodriguez-vh3dz If I were disconnecting components to see what was causing the short I wouldn't use a current clamp, I would just watch to see if/when the bulb goes out. I current clamp the circuit along its length at different locations and pay attention to the measurement. If the circuit is rubbed against a fastener and shorted to ground I will measure current flow between my test light and the short but not past it. Once I see that I've passed it I can move backwards and narrow down my search.
@untitleduser666 so if you're close to the suspected wire rubbing on a fastener the current clamp would read what? Just curious & intrigued. Also thank you for your valuable time to reply & your knowledge sir
That is great reveiw of how some ol'timers did it. They just used a glass sealed beam headlight and sat on the garage floor with longer leads instead of a halogen bulb so when it did get hot it didnt burn nothing.
Im super stingy with my subs but you deserve it man. Troubleshooting is becoming a lost science. All we have are a bunch of 'parts changers' out there. Keep up the good fight, hope your hourly rates reflect your knowledge.
The old electricians used to use a 12-volt battery to test circuits even a car horn for a test light. Sometimes I use a high amperage, brake light bulb 1156 or 1157
Great video Broke it down made it simple Basically in some kind of way made your own powerproble short finder. I been doing your way for years. Just never added sound to it.
I would LOVE a step by step video of making these test lights and an explanation of what size bulb(s) to use for what sorts of issues. This is all fascinating to me.
An 1157 bulb, socket,banana jacks, cap of spray can, ,will have .6amp in one filament, 2amp in the remaining filament. Or combine it.i also made one with a h4 bulb for higher current test
Great video, idea, and explanation. Very easy to understand and follow. Thanks! Is this what you did while you served or did you take this up after you got out?
@@JarheadDiagnostics I was an engine and propeller mechanic on C-130. MOS 6016 & 6026 in MCAS El Toro, CA from 1988 to 1992 with VMGR-352. They're now in Miramar, CA. Which aircraft did you work on and which base were you at?
at 33 seconds, you say put it in line where the fuse is. so i have to plug the test light in in every fuse location anyways? what's the difference from pulling fuses method?
I am working on a 2018 navigator that keeps burning the led module for one headlamp then eventually the other side goes away too. How could I trouble shoot this ? The scanner shows short to ground on lighting system. It was in an accident and I repaired it.
Hi great content. Am i right in thinking, that the bulb acts the same as a pull down resistor. Also would it be a good idea to match the bulb wattage to match the load rating? Thanks for the education.
Where are you located? I've had 20 different mechanics look at my tail lights and still can't figure out why the running lights on my liftgate don't work with my headlamps on. It's been so frustrating 😫
I don't think i have really ran into anything like that where it was a problem like that would blow the fuse immediately but its a used trick to keep in my back pocket
Have a compressor clutch fuse popping, would this method work? How would a shorted power circuit do both, provide a ground for the bulb at the fuse terminals, and also provide voltage to the compressor or load? Would the bulb safely protect the circuit for excessive current?
Did you 3d print that light socket, I was thinking of doing that same exact thing. And yes your way is different, but it’s so helpful to see the same job through a different lens. Thanks man.
The next step is usually getting the power distribution and ground distribution diagrams, along with DLC and schematics for related circuits / components that you are having the problems with.
Do you sell or know of where I can get these fuse taps or any good electrical diagnostic tools to help? Ive been gathering more and more of this stuff to get my electrical diagnostic tools and knowledge up to task. Thanks for the video!
I'm not sure how to answer, but I'm guessing voltage is what you mean by power. Or positive? Nothing would happen, you need to close the circuit to ground for the light to turn on. I'm probably not understanding tho, so I'm sorry hahhah
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Okay 1999 Nissan Altima the right side of the fuse box to fuse box in the engine compartment where all the links are at is inoperable The inside of the car there's like two rows that are working and two out of five rows that are working how do I find that short or that I'm sure that it's probably just what he said but I have a hard time comprehending the electrical stuff so can somebody help me out please please please this is killing me
Correct. You would need something like this to help with a parasitic draw (if you want to use a scope). ruclips.net/video/t0nHHwsIUDI/видео.htmlsi=cDcs3wdKtosy6VJ2
General Technology Corporation manufactures a 5 piece fuse socket connector kit . GTC063 . Quality Made in Canada , purchased on Amazon $22.00 The connectors work well !
Nice video. I learned from an old school electrician many years ago, a similar trick to finding a short in your house. If you have edison base fuses (glass fuse with an E26 base, what most household light bulbs have) remove the blown fuse and insert an incandescent or halogen (preferred) or dimmable LED bulb into the fuse socket. With cartridge fuses, use a lamp socket with leads and alligator clips across the cartridge fuse, with power turned off when connecting them. With circuit breakers, wire the lamp socket between the breaker, and the circuit in question, then turn on the power. A short circuit will light the bulb to full brightness. When the problem is located and repaired, the bulb will turn off, or light at a lower brightness if there are still loads connected, the larger the load, the brighter the bulb. Do not operate the circuit with a light bulb in series for more than a minute or so, because some appliances particularly those with motors, can be damaged if ran at reduced voltage for an extended period.
Nice!
@JarheadDiagnostics So I have a tractor im trying to find a hot wire shorted to the Frame. It has not blown a fuse. I have spent hrs trying to figure this out. When U use the battery disconnect the entire tractor Frame,engine any thing that's metal has 12 volts. Any suggestions?
@@kylen1922 assuming you were unable to get a approximate location of the short by sight, sound smell, (smoke, arcs/sparks, burned plastic) you should be able to isolate the short to a particular circuit connecting a 12 volt test light in series between the negative battery terminal and the negative cable. A short would light the bulb to full brightness, a high resistsnce short that doesn't draw enough current to blow a fuse will make the test light slightly dimmer. In either case, start removing fuses, one by one, when the test light goes out or considerably dimmer, you just found the shorted circuit. You can then inspect for faulty components on that circuit, and check for any areas where the wiring may have rubbed through and touching the chassis.
@@Sparky-ww5re I appreciate your response. This tractor is a electrical nightmare lol. It has 6 fuse boxes and 3 computers. I've un hooked all the fuse boxes with no response. And have checked the hot wires from battery to cab. So I'm about to throw in the towel. Thought the battery's had reverses polarity ..nope. alternator starter ....nope. It's low resistance short so think I'm going to just let it go. Have way to much time into it.
@@kylen1922hey did you ever get to the bottom of this ? Sounds like a poor return path e.g 'earth' negative connection.
I agree it's by far the best way to track shorts, especially intermittents, because you can wiggle the harness and see where it's shorting. Thanks for sharing!
Totally agree!
Nice one Brandon.
For a switchable load test light, I made up a set of 4 switches connected with one common positive wire from a single banana plug parallel linked to each switch input terminal, then from each switch output I can individually control a set of 3 globes of a tail light harness I pulled from a junk car, this gives me 4 switchable filaments, and a common ground wire shared by all the globes.
I can essentially choose an appropriate load via the 4 switches for most integrity testing, harness shorts etc at the fuse box or pretty much whatever by adapting to the 2 banana plugs to suit what I need.
I can then choose a low, med, high, or even higher amp test light, or combination.
As an audible tester, I have a 12v car horn and a small piezo buzzer, both with a pair of test leads terminated with banana plugs, which have been super handy for testing circuit integrity or short finding etc when it's not possible to see the test light👍
We have seen the set ups with multiple bulbs and a switch for them. It is an excellent idea.
How much is each load, Amp wise?
@@bernardocisneros4402 I haven't tested the 12v horn amp draw, but the tail light harness has 3 bulbs, 4 filaments.
One bulb is a dual filament 21w/5w stop/tail, as well as one indicator bulb and one reverse bulb (2×) 21w.
At 12v the 5W filament should draw a little under 417mA.
The 21w filaments should draw around 1.75A each.
All running together that comes to a little under 5.67A, so that's around 670mA more than a 60w H4 halogen headlamp bulb at 12v👍
@@simonilett998 Thanks for sharing the info
I've used the same method of using a test light to diagnose a constant short to ground, very effective. Once the test light is in place I've used a DC current-clamp to identify how far the short is traveling in the circuit. If I see the 5A (or however much my test light is drawing) on a given part of the circuit I know the short is further down the line, if I see 0A I know I'm past it.
Dude, that’s genius
So you leave the current clamp where the test light is at & keep disconnecting components to see change in current? Can you elaborate please?
@@DanielRodriguez-vh3dz If I were disconnecting components to see what was causing the short I wouldn't use a current clamp, I would just watch to see if/when the bulb goes out. I current clamp the circuit along its length at different locations and pay attention to the measurement. If the circuit is rubbed against a fastener and shorted to ground I will measure current flow between my test light and the short but not past it. Once I see that I've passed it I can move backwards and narrow down my search.
@untitleduser666 so if you're close to the suspected wire rubbing on a fastener the current clamp would read what? Just curious & intrigued. Also thank you for your valuable time to reply & your knowledge sir
@untitleduser666 ohhhh! It just clicked! Sorry I'm slow dude. You are the greatest man!
Nice simple video
Whered you get the box
This is one of, if not the best method in my opinion. 👍🏼
We totally agree!
I use an Amperemeter instead
I can see if there is a short
Amazing work! I need to get multiple products for my shop! Thanks for creating amazing products for technicians!
That is great reveiw of how some ol'timers did it.
They just used a glass sealed beam headlight and sat on the garage floor with longer leads instead of a halogen bulb so when it did get hot it didnt burn nothing.
Nice video and great idea. I just ordered this box and a few other things.
Thank you sir! Just a reminder, that added you in to win the diagnostic cart.
@@JarheadDiagnostics Nice.
Im super stingy with my subs but you deserve it man.
Troubleshooting is becoming a lost science. All we have are a bunch of 'parts changers' out there.
Keep up the good fight, hope your hourly rates reflect your knowledge.
Great clear video, been using the same method for years and it works like a dream.
The old electricians used to use a 12-volt battery to test circuits even a car horn for a test light. Sometimes I use a high amperage, brake light bulb 1156 or 1157
Isnt this same thing as usung power probe and having spund on as well?
Very simple idea but very effective. Good work 👍
Thank you!
Great video Broke it down made it simple Basically in some kind of way made your own powerproble short finder. I been doing your way for years. Just never added sound to it.
The added sound will help out for those hard to
See locations.
I would LOVE a step by step video of making these test lights and an explanation of what size bulb(s) to use for what sorts of issues. This is all fascinating to me.
We offer these on our website. Link is in the video description.
An 1157 bulb, socket,banana jacks, cap of spray can, ,will have .6amp in one filament, 2amp in the remaining filament. Or combine it.i also made one with a h4 bulb for higher current test
Great video, idea, and explanation. Very easy to understand and follow. Thanks! Is this what you did while you served or did you take this up after you got out?
I was an aviation maintainer. My MOS did a little electrical, but must would be sent to the avionics shop.
@@JarheadDiagnostics I was an engine and propeller mechanic on C-130. MOS 6016 & 6026 in MCAS El Toro, CA from 1988 to 1992 with VMGR-352. They're now in Miramar, CA. Which aircraft did you work on and which base were you at?
at 33 seconds, you say put it in line where the fuse is. so i have to plug the test light in in every fuse location anyways? what's the difference from pulling fuses method?
Been doing it this way for years 💪 great tool how do I order???
Thank you for sharing
if that audible box comes with a volume knob SOLD!!!!!! great job!!
Excellent tip thanks good to know
Glad to help
I am working on a 2018 navigator that keeps burning the led module for one headlamp then eventually the other side goes away too. How could I trouble shoot this ? The scanner shows short to ground on lighting system. It was in an accident and I repaired it.
Hi great content. Am i right in thinking, that the bulb acts the same as a pull down resistor. Also would it be a good idea to match the bulb wattage to match the load rating? Thanks for the education.
Where are you located? I've had 20 different mechanics look at my tail lights and still can't figure out why the running lights on my liftgate don't work with my headlamps on. It's been so frustrating 😫
@@JonathanLozada sounds like a bad ground or bad connection/corrosion dropping the voltage at the back of your truck
AWESOME THANKS FOR SHARING.
Thanks for watching!
I don't think i have really ran into anything like that where it was a problem like that would blow the fuse immediately but its a used trick to keep in my back pocket
Always have a stash of multiple test plans.
Have a compressor clutch fuse popping, would this method work? How would a shorted power circuit do both, provide a ground for the bulb at the fuse terminals, and also provide voltage to the compressor or load? Would the bulb safely protect the circuit for excessive current?
The noise just triggered my dog thinking it was his collar buzz 😂 thanks for the education man! Learned a ton from your videos
Did you 3d print that light socket, I was thinking of doing that same exact thing. And yes your way is different, but it’s so helpful to see the same job through a different lens. Thanks man.
replacement automotive socket, any parts store....
Fantastic video love test light test
We do as well. Loading a circuit gives you much more information than just a meter.
This is a good and simple method that costs very little.
Awesome! Thank you
Thanks for this Brandon. Btw how is your in employee doing who had that incident in the shop?
He recovered well!
Great thank you !
But identifying the duff circuit is one thing, what happens next. How do you trace the wires and find out what is actually happening ? Thanks
That would depend on the situation. Not every circuit is built the same.
The next step is usually getting the power distribution and ground distribution diagrams, along with DLC and schematics for related circuits / components that you are having the problems with.
@@HoodRichSWERVE Thanks Malahoko
Do you sell or know of where I can get these fuse taps or any good electrical diagnostic tools to help? Ive been gathering more and more of this stuff to get my electrical diagnostic tools and knowledge up to task. Thanks for the video!
Oh I see it now. Under the description. Sorry
I still have to order the audio indicator very nice
They just went live on the website!
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How would you know if it’s short to voltage or short to ground?
I'm not sure how to answer, but I'm guessing voltage is what you mean by power. Or positive? Nothing would happen, you need to close the circuit to ground for the light to turn on. I'm probably not understanding tho, so I'm sorry hahhah
positive 12v through the fuse was shorted to ground causing the fuse to blow.
I learned a lot from your video
That’s all that matters!
@@JarheadDiagnosticswhat light are you using for that test because I want to make one myself. Thank you for this video.
Where i can buy like that
www.jarheaddiag.com
@@JarheadDiagnosticsdoes it also come with the fuse or how do you get it into the fuse box
We're to buy those tool it good way find short to ground
Nice job. Do you wanna share your step file for the 3d print screen?
We currently don’t sell any files. But the cover is available on our website.
So are you just tugging on wires till u find the short?
good stuff!!!
I made my buzzer tester out of a dash from a r model mack truck. Oops did I just date myself. Lol. Good content. Keep it up.
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From Nick Ayivor from London England UK 🇬🇧 ⏰️ 23:04PM Good Evening
Okay 1999 Nissan Altima the right side of the fuse box to fuse box in the engine compartment where all the links are at is inoperable The inside of the car there's like two rows that are working and two out of five rows that are working how do I find that short or that I'm sure that it's probably just what he said but I have a hard time comprehending the electrical stuff so can somebody help me out please please please this is killing me
Wouldnt that only work on a dead short not a draw.
Correct. You would need something like this to help with a parasitic draw (if you want to use a scope).
ruclips.net/video/t0nHHwsIUDI/видео.htmlsi=cDcs3wdKtosy6VJ2
When using your test lights to check circuit integrity how do you figure which test light your going to use?
If you’re using sourced power for the circuit. You need to figure out the amperage draw for the component.
@@JarheadDiagnostics how many different test lights do you guys sell? And what amp are they
We offer 4 different. 1 is roughly 4.5a one is a dual filament which gives you 1-3a and one gives you .4a.
@@JarheadDiagnostics Hi there, Do you sell the leads which connect in place of the fuse? The ones used at 0.54 seconds? Thank you
You just hook up 24 volts to your 12 volt lightbulb 36 volts works good 48 volts even better
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I know a better way , put a 100 Amp fuse and watch for smoke !
Why put a fuse? ,wire jump it😂
We personally use 0 gauge wire to jump the fuse. Don’t want to restrict the current flow. 🤣
Wherever the smoke comes out from is the problem, simple. Takes one minute.
Did you call fire department????
😂😂😂
How many PCM have you fried doing this?
Zero, because I know how circuits work.
Does it work as a tester for short to positive ?
Thank you, easy and practical
General Technology Corporation manufactures a 5 piece fuse socket connector kit . GTC063 . Quality Made in Canada , purchased on Amazon $22.00 The connectors work well !
Thank you. That will save time and space in the tool box.