Must Have Mechanics Tool. How To Find Short And Open Circuits Fast. Make More Money On Flat Rate.
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2024
- Must Have Mechanics Tool. How To Find Short And Open Circuits Fast. Make More Money On Flat Rate.
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It seems like lately at work, I've had a bunch of less than basic electrical problems to diagnose. I decided to go on Amazon and pick up a must have tool in my opinion to help diagnose these problems. In the flat rate Mechanics world, the faster you find the problem, the faster you fix it, and the more money you make. In this video I show you what I bought and how to use it. In the short time I've owned it i think it has already paid for itself. What tool did I buy? Watch and see.
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I am a retired avionics technician. We call this the fox and the hound. It's best used with a wiring diagram and after you disconnect the connectors of the open or shorted wire. Glad you discovered it and I agree they work great.
You're right. This technology has been around for many years. Wiring diagrams help tremendously. Anytime you can isolate a problem cuts your diag time down fast. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I don't even work on cars for a living anymore, but will get one of these the first chance I get. I still work on my own and some of my family's vehicles.
I don't use it a lot, but when I do, I'm glad I bought it. Who wants to spend hours or days digging in wiring? Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@shanersmechaniclife3164 You're Welcome!!!
So glad you use the terms “short” and “open” , separately because they aren’t the same and it’s so annoying when people do that cause it’s very incorrect! Thank you and well done video.
Well what do you do if you don’t have a short circuit but you have a long circuit.?
Thanks for watching and the great feedback. I appreciate your input.
Whats the difference bro?
Lots of folks haven’t been to school for electronics. Stop being annoyed so easily.
@@nw8000 a short is when a non-ground wire is connected to ground/chassis, an open is non-ground wire is broken/open. You can have a combo condition where a non-ground wire is open AND shorted to ground too. One of the wires he exposed appeared to be in that condition.
This might save somebody some cash. I discovered that my inexpensive non-contact voltage tester would react to the output of my battery charger. I used them to troubleshoot a fuse blowing on my tractor. If you already own these items, it's worth a shot. I used the tractor's headlight bulb to limit the current.
Hey man thanks for the tip. Could you explain how that works exactly as l don't understand it completely. Thanks in advance
@kwaynr1301 I unhook the negative lead from a headlamp. Connect the charger positive to the lamp where you removed the ground. Turn ignition to headlight position. Check with your tester if you can trace the headlight wire. If so, you can trace and see where power is going or not going.
The transmitter hooks to the battery and sends a pulse down the wire. The receiver detects the pulse, and as you move the receiver, it will detect where the signal stops and your open or short. Hope this helps. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for the info. Going to do this on my tractor soon. Been disconnecting the battery after use
I purchased a Mac tools fault finder 20 years ago. Still use it today. But yes it can steer you in a wrong direction very easily. Especially when wire goes to a relay , ecm , even a switch.
I have had luck disconnecting parts of the wiring to minimize wrong turns. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I purchased the Power Probe 4 Master Kit containing the ECT 3000 several years ago. I chose the 4 over the 3 because of its additional features, such as multimeter functions, frequency testing, injector testing and such, also having a circuit breaker that automatically resets. But hindsight being 20/20, I think I would have saved a little money and just got the PP3. Those functions can easily be done separately with the multimeters I already had a no additional cost.
It's definitely a good bang for your buck kit. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Thank you for sharing 🎉👏🏾👏🏾😃🥇👍🏾🙏🏾
man thats an excellent tool.....SUPERB
ATG was nice enough to have me to come along as an apprenticeship.
ATG rates was *$75K service call, travel/logging/$20,000 per hr. ATG troubleshoot it down in under 9 minutes with this.
When dealerships can't /or vehicles that many shops can't fix, ATG will be called upon & I could now.
The cars recently serviced was a Rolls-Royce Boat Tail & Porsche 959.
*$75K was for per car, that was in 2002.
When you are the best or were trained by the best, clients have no problem in paying for your services.
Great demo ...thanks. I have the Probe. Time to add on the 3000 etc.
Thank you! I've taken it to the dealership many times for this. I kept getting the truck back but with same issue. Shame on them.
Holy cow. That was amazing. Good job showing how to use it. Thanks.
You're welcome. It got me through those jobs quickly, so I wanted to share. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Good tool
I’ve been a lift tech over 30 yrs. Did troubleshooting old skol. One thing I noticed you didn’t do is
You didn’t heat shrink tube over electrical butt connector. Moisture can get inside & you have another short ( corrosion ). Good informative video
I used the heat shrink butt connectors. They work great as long as you don't pierce the connector when you crimp it. Good eye! Thanks for watching.
Aren't these type waterproof. Don't they have some kind of sealant on the ends or something.
Great presentation! You can buy it and repair your problem just by watching you do it. I wish more videos were like yours. It would make learnig a lot more simpler. Thank you.
Thanks for the great comment. I'm very glad I bought it. Thoroughly reading the instructions is a must before using it. Thanks for watching and commenting.
that is an awesome tool. thanks for the video
I literally ordered one before your video was finished.
Some decades ago we used a time domain reflectometer to check wires/cables. You could calibrate it to say a piece of 16ga or 14ga wire (whatever you had issues with) and then hook it up to your problem child. It would tell you how far from the hookup a short or open was and additionally if there was a change in resistance anywhere in the wire.
Excellent video perfect explanation!
Hell yeah that tool is sweet!
very easy to understand videos nice work
Thanks for watching and the great comment. This tool saved my butt and made my job way easier. Got those two issues back to back. Very happy I bought it.
Didn't have high hopes for this but, after watching, this can be very handy tool for anyone that does this regularly. Don't know if it helps but some alligator clips that can go on the end of your probes could be useful. I have a full set of Fluke attachments that have saved me more than once but there's probably a ton of different kinds.
I love the demonstration! Great video and well explained!
Thanks for watching and the great feedback. I really appreciate it.
That’s brilliant, I have used a similar product from my days working on telephone systems it worked okay but not as good as this product. The main reason the telco one isn’t as good as it runs on 9vdc
Wow, thanks. Excellent video & tool!
You're welcome. Thanks for watching and the great feedback.
I’ll be buying one soon
Like a glove❤
I gotta get me one of those❤❤❤
Excellent video, thanks for taking the time to share. Cheers
You are very welcome. Like I said in the video, I think it paid for itself in the first few jobs. Thanks for watching and commenting.
*Thanks. Pretty cool. Probably going to get one when they come up used.*
Can definitely save some money watching for used items to come up. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Great video, thanks.
You're welcome. Thanks for watching and the great comment.
Great video! very well made and informative.
Thanks for the great feedback. I really appreciate it.
You presented this information very well.
Thanks for watching and the great feedback.
I learned something new today, thank you
You are very welcome. Thanks for watching and commenting.
This tool is great to have.
Works 90% of the time.
10% is experience.
That's very true. Experience is priceless. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Picked one up myself haven't used it yet. Like seeing that thing in action tho! I could watch short finding vids all night! Lol
I don't use it a whole lot, but it has saved me a lot of time on a few different occasions. Let me know how you like it once you use it a few times. Thanks for watching and commenting.
"I love it when a plan comes together," in my Hannibal A team voice.
Thanks for the comment. Now I have the A Team theme song stuck in my head. LOL.
Great video!
Thanks for the great feedback and for watching.
I have had a competitive version for 15 years, much more than 6 wire harnesses are hard to follow and you do need the receiver very close to the wire which is hard to do in areas. I have better luck with heavy equipment than automotive applications due to better access. It has earned it's keep over the years.
I agree. It even states that the owners manual. I think mine paid for itself in a few jobs if you factor in time saved. Thanks for watching.
Yo wtf? How did I not know about this thing? Huge thanks.
Glad you liked it. It defidently saved me a ton of time on those two jobs alone.
I hope you get this message that was a great video and I'm definitely going to be looking into this in the future hopefully I have enough money to purchase this amazing product wow
Thanks for watching and the great feedback. It's not a tool you use on a daily basis, but when you need it, you're glad you have it. Thanks for watching.
Great video.
Thank You! I appreciate the positive feedback.
👍 good job!
Thanks for watching and the positive feedback.
These tools are the reason why so many auto electrical guys don't use them, they want to be paid by the hr for a reason. As someone who used to do network cables we had line testers that basically did the same.
Great video and wish i could afford one but most of my nightmares currently come from vintage stuff that there is no wiring diagrams for lol
Even when paid by the hour, I still try to diagnose and fix it right as fast as I can the first time. No wiring diagrams definitely makes things interesting. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I will admit that this tool seems to be worth it. I have a common problem with egr valves on dodge caravans that this might just help with. Not sure that I'd want to spend their label tax for what seems to be essentially a line voltage detector, like you'd use in household wiring to find a live circuit though...
I think it's worth it. It does have problems reading through thick harnesses. Not the only tool I use, but I'm glad I bought it. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Yeah I could see this definitely saving time, and I am not sure how much this costs, however I've been doing something similar with my Klein wire tracer that has saved me a couple times and it has a fairly decent sensitivity range. I'm not sure if this would be any better or not. Perhaps the op has some input if he's used both tools. Is this any better??
very well done video
Thanks for watching and the great feedback. I really appreciate it.
That's awesome even points to short
Thanks for watching and commenting. I'm glad I bought this tool.
Great vid.
Thanks for watching and the positive feedback. I appreciate it.
Not bad at all. Thanks for sharing
You're welcome. Thanks for watching and the positive feedback.
I still prefer the visual with a test light for finding shorts. I replace the blown fuse with a test light and wiggle the harness until the light goes out.
I have used that method successfully as well. Thanks for watching.
The Old headlight method is a great way. The intensity of the light also tells you how bad the issue is. Bulb+holder+2 wires etc=£5. PP kit= fortune!
@@sliderdriver1 I wouldn’t agree there it’s either shorted or it’s not there really isn’t any in between.
Dang this is similar to the fox and hound detector I use at work never thought of adapting it for servicing vehicles. Next project onboarded. Thanks!
You're welcome. These kind of testers have been around for years. Powerprobe just made their version. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Super smart product! Wished I had this decades ago! Additionally, we could REALLY use this in the U.S. Military... The amount of repair time reduction we could benefit from this on tactical fighters is immense.
They've been around for a long time, but the Big Green Machine is pretty conservative about what they allow into the logistics chain. :) I used to just say "screw it" and buy my own tools when I needed them...
@@okopnik Still, wished we had this in there, could’ve saved thousands of man hours over hundreds of aircraft.
@@AXNJXN1 Absolutely; aircraft would be the ideal scenario for these. Complex harnesses, long runs... if you keep the signal power down and the sensitivity up, it minimizes coupling to the other wires in the harness, and lets you find the break or the short, easily.
Who wants to spend hours or days digging through wiring? Like I said in the video, I think it paid for itself in saved time on those two jobs. Your military? Thank you for your service!
Thanks for your service and for watching.
nice
This is great
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Thank You
You are welcome. Thanks for watching and commenting.
As others have mentioned a compass will work, but if I had this 30 years ago I would have used it daily cool tool. If your doing daily repairs it would save to tons of time the most valuable thing you have in life.
You are correct. Time is very important.
A *good* Fox and Hound used *correctly* by an *experienced tech* is worth its weight in gold for sure! (Not automotive per say but have done pretty much all manner of electronics over the past 20 years)
Good point. Thanks for watching, I appreciate your feedback.
I could have used this on an old job loader to weeks ago I have the power probe but I like this
Looking back, there are definitely some jobs I could have used it on and would have saved time. Thanks for watching and commenting.
wow...subscribed.
Thanks for watching and the great feedback!
Well I wish I was as good as this guy
This looks like what's called a fox and hound wire tracer. It works by injecting a signal on the wire at a specific frequency that the receiver is tuned to. There are some incredibly cheap models of the tester available. There's one at the Home Depot for $20. Units direct from China go for even less. It's a pretty simple circuit really. But this one here seems to have an additional trick with that arrow. One thing you can do is just cut out the bad wire and run a new one. Problem solved. If all you're interested in is fixing something. Then you really don't have to find out exactly where it's broken. You just have to know where it comes from and is supposed to go to.
The problem with just running a parallel wire is that you're not finding or dealing with a root cause. If you have oxidation starting at a connector, you'll be getting comebacks and running new wires every week. Better to find the original problem and fix it right.
@@okopnik by replacing the whole wire you don't have to find anything. You're eliminating the problem. The old wire isn't connected to power anymore and isn't supplying anything with power anymore. It's just there inert doing nothing. It's cordage now. You don't need to find the exact place there there's a fault. You just have to know where the wire comes from and where it is supposed to go to. That's it. By replacing the whole wire you don't have to check along its whole length. You do have to run a new wire though. But that's usually a straightforward thing that anyone can do. A couple zip ties and you're done. There's nothing technically wrong with replacing a whole wire either. But if your time is worth less than what a length of wire costs then knock yourself out. If anyone comes back and it's another wire that's another job. They can come back any time for that. One fix isn't a warranty on an entire electrical system. Homie don't play that game.
@@1pcfred It would be nice if the world was that black-and-white, especially with electrical repairs and customers. It's not. One of the examples in the video, where the two wires had melted together and shorted, is a perfect case of what I'm talking about - and that's FAR more common than just a single wire all by itself and with nothing else involved (which almost never happens in a harness.) If you just parallel one of the wires, your "repair" will work temporarily - until the other exposed wire oxidizes where it's exposed and breaks down. Same problem, same area, *your* responsibility for not having it fixed it right in the first place.
But if your time is worth nothing so that you can do endless comebacks again and again and again, feel free. "Homie" can "not play the game" of dealing with customers honestly and fairly - that is, not take responsibility for shotgunning instead of root cause analysis and fixing the actual problem - and customers will just go elsewhere. I'd rather do the job right... but that requires actual skill instead of guesses.
@@okopnik that's why you have properly worded contracts. It doesn't matter if two wires melted together if one wire is disconnected. The disconnected wire is not going anywhere anymore. It is what I like to call, out of circuit. Nothing else is involved with it then.
@@1pcfred It matters because the other wire's insulation is compromised - and if you have any moisture in the air, it *will* corrode. That's why we use shrink tubing to cover any exposed wire.
My point wasn't about legal exposure; it was about reputation and customer satisfaction. Contracts won't bring customers back; good work - repairs that stay repaired - will. There can also be a downside regardless of contracts (e.g., the laws in FL define a mechanic's responsibility regardless of private contracts). As an example, AAMCO (I didn't have a choice... 🤮) "repaired" my transmission about 18 months back - and did such a great job that they ended up buying me a new core, had weeks of mechanics' time into it, and are on the hook for over two grand in rental car fees. Oh, and I *still* had to repair the electrical part myself; they couldn't figure it out.
Pretty clever device. The actual logic is very simple: the transmitter just emits radio frequency signal to the wire and the receiver radio circuit is tuned to such a low sensitivity that it nearly must touch the antenna to work. Then you just turn on the radio transmission on the wire and see where the radio transmission disappears.
It would be interesting to see if you could build DIY version of this with a cheap FM transmitter where you replace the original antenna with a potentiometer to adjust sensitivity and try to listen for the signal with a cheap FM radio. Sending 1 kHz beep to the FM transmitter would allow hearing clear beep when you receive the signal. The amount of noise in the signal tells you how strong the received signal is.
Don't waste your money. I bought this kit and it works well on a single, stand alone wire, but any wire in a harness, which is every wire, will induce the tone in the harness, making it impossible to narrow down. Additionally, the tone signal is weak unless you are directly on top of the wire, which we all know is practically impossible in the real world where harnesses run through firewalls, under carpet, into dashboards, etc..
Didn't read the instructions, did you?
Thanks for warning us 🙂👍
@@woodybear8298could you please elaborate on this a little bit more? I don’t have the kit yet, but thinking get one of these. Any steps need to follow in order to get the tracing accuracy?
I bought a powerprobe kit way back. A waste of money imo ooohhhh you can energize a circuit with it pfft still sitting under one of my toolboxes collecting spider webs
Why don't you just use a multimeter and set it to continuity and back probe the harness? Using a butt connector on a harness that's already having problems, it'll get you down the road for awhile but just open the harness and either move or replace it. Otherwise you're just making more work for yourself later when you got sacked out copper into a burnt butt connector. If it burned up the wiring once, unless you fix the underlined cause of why that harness broke/burnt in the first place it's just going to do it again. And second time around is normally when they used to show up. Glad I got out of doing harnesses and tucks.
I already have a Power Probe but it is the first one they came out with. I hope I never need the ECT3000.
I have the original power probe to and still use it. Nice and basic. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I've worked on big trucks for over 30 years, electrical has no flat rate time just because of the fact you may have to tear open harness. They may have problems in a large bundle of wire & finding one broke wire in a bundle is a mess at best. So no flat rate time is applied to electric diagnostic.
Yes there is no flat rate on electrical, but the tool helped me get that job diagnosed and fixed quickly so I could get on to the next jobs that I could make more time and money on.
nice!
Glad you liked it. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Yo that shit is Dope!😮
Great video, I think this could be an essential tool for vehicle wiring and troubleshooting. I am a really good with industrial machine wiring but even with a good vehicle schematic in my hands I have still been stumped by automotive wiring and shorts while chasing with my meter, disturbing these harnesses or connectors to look for the problem only to have the stupid issue disappear and return later. Especially with CANBUS network shorts.
Has this ever helped you with vehicle network shorts etc. Thanks again for the video.
Intermittent problems are the worst to find. I have not used it on any canbus issues...yet. when I do I'll let you know. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Nice
Thanks for watching and the great feedback.
I got genuinely excited when the engine fired up
Me too. Nothing better than the feeling you get when a machine comes alive again.
You can have a short to ground , or a short to another wire / circuit , or an open .
Very true. Not always a short to ground. Thanks for watching.
My my yes my brother needs one of those
Very handy to have. Thanks for watching.
That is a cool kit I learned something from you today I need to order one off Amazon for sure. Do you remember when the had the clap on clap off lights in the 1980,s ? Walk in the house clap your hands and all the lights come on.
Yes....I still have the Clapper
The clapper. What a blast from the past. Thanks for watching.
What do I think?
I think I'm buying one. I have at least three different vehicles around here that have annoying to immobilizing electrical gremlins. Thanks for the excellent video!
Thanks for watching and great feedback. I hope it works well for you. Keep me posted.
Harbor freight has the one tool you used, from a different manufacturer called Cen-Tech for $20. Same thing but uses internal 9volt batteries that it comes with instead of the vehicles 12v. Even has two different tones to pick from for you liking and a canvas zip up case that holds all the components. Cant imagine what that entire kit cost you bought but i know just the power probe 3 is around $ 300 plus all the other stuff in that kit, it isnt cheep.
I have one similar to what you describe. I got it from napa years ago. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Retired certified master heavy duty tech and certified electronics tech since 1994. I think I still have a Cen-Tech in my box. It worked okay, but like other tools, some work better and/or are more durable than others. I like the sensitivity adjustment. With shorts to ground the signal can seem to come from everywhere, especially in large harnesses tucked into tight spaces. Some antenna designs are more efficient than others also. Used a Power Probe for years, If I was still working I would definitely have this newer kit.
I want one!
I am defidently glad I bought it, it made my life easier. Defidently a worth while investment if you do alot of electrical work. Let me know if you get one and what you think.
Do you run the test after disconnecting the battery + terminal when you find the open circuit?
I remove the fuse for that circuit and hook into it there.
dam! I want one!!!!
It's a kit that you don't use alot, but when you do your glad you have it. Thanks for watching and commenting
I could not find a short with that, I have to use a multimeter put it on ohms and find the short,learn multimeter it better.
Could this tool set be used to find a parasitic power drain that kills the battery after maybe 2 days and if so how would you use it for that purpose?
Not that I know of. If I think of a way, I will let you know. Thanks for watching.
I use a thermal camera and a h4 headlight bulb
Great tool, Power probe products are great , you can make trouble shooting alot easier, too bad your bosses don't give a shit and take credit for all your work, screw the repair biz , unless your work for yourself never get the credit you deserve. Goo😮d video.
Thanks for the great feedback. As a tech you generally don't get much thanks for diagnosing someone, but you sure do hear it if you make an error. Thanks for watching.
I dont like mine. The ect 3000 reciever never worked well from the beginning and it doesn't work at all now.
That's too bad. I haven't had any problems with mine.
For less then $100 you can get an Ideal circuit tracer from electrical store that does the same thing!
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Be interesting to see if u rested again an Ali express item if would be as effective
All this does is send a limited current into the short and uses a DC current ( almost an oxymoron because DC is direct current )sensor to pick up the current path. It's a simple device. You can pick up a DC sensor from almost any electronic test instrument supplier nowadays.
Time is money in Every industy
Like I said in the video, I think this tool it paid for itself in 2 or 3 repairs. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I have a tractor with a short to ground and can't afford a new wiring harness. Thanks so much!
If you only have one vehicle to diagnose, you don't need to spend the money for fancy tools. You can find the short with a test light, some wire or test leads, and a couple of basic probes or t-pins and alligator clips. There are a lot of videos on RUclips showing how to find a short with basic test tools.
Hope you find the problem in your harness quick. Keep me posted. Thanks for watching.
Mixed feelings on this kit. It is difficult to use when wires run in a wire harness.
It's great for small harnesses but not so effective on large ones. It even states that in the user's manual. But like I said in the video, I think it almost paid for itself in two jobs. Thanks for watching and I appreciate your feedback.
what was the cost?
All you need is a meter bud. Only 3 fault you can have short, open, high resistance if the light aint working or any other load you just need to put both leads in the harness end if you have voltage you just ruled out a short or open people make electrical diag more difficult than it is.
do another , lets see this in action a year later
By the time it has all connected you'd already have found the short with only using a test light
Hey can I ask where you are based?
Won't help me with an intermittent short,( running light fuse blowing on a dirt road.). no obvious bare wire.
I give up driving at night.
Those are the tough ones to find. Hope you get it figured out. Let me know what you find. Thanks for watching.
These are hit or miss... It's got a steep learning curve and since shorts are more rare than opens in my exp, it's pretty much always used for opens and man does it suck when the wires are in harnesses...
It can help though for sure over a voltmeter or something... But it's a slow profess. You need to use the lowest sensitivity you can while looking and determine what is a false positive while using it to trace things.... Sometimes it will randomly lead you back to the battery and other times it leads you to a broken wire... If there are sonic welds and splices which are broken in multiple places good luck because it's going to take longer to trace them than replacing the harness and people would rather pay for a harness than labor in my exp..
Some good points. Sometimes, a replacement harness isn't an option, like was the case with the old forklift.
My ETC doesn't working at all. Not recommended...
That's too bad. I haven't had any problems with mine.
nice intro audio
You like it?
Replace fuse with a paper clip. Look for smoke.
Not the safest way to find a short. Lol, thanks for watching and commenting.
He literally showed finding a short in a wiring harness
Time and Materials , not a flat rate job !