Thanks for putting this together. If you need any repair help with your X-Mid Pro we're happy to do that. We do free repairs on our tents. We don't see many issues with the corner struts, but occasionally they might abrade on something.
I’ve seen you guys reply on a few different people’s videos now with ways to improve their experience with their Durston gear. I don’t think I’ve seen any other companies show they care about their customers once their product is purchased quite like you. I can’t afford Dyneema, but your focus on quality, durability, and customer satisfaction is one of the reasons I purchased an X-Mid 2, and why I have my eye on the Kakwa 55. 👍
@@dakotacoburn Yes. I see you have the DCF floor and the strut would have escaped due to some type of abrasion at the corner, but can be patched easily with a DCF patch. The DCF patches we have use the fly material, so they are color matched to that. I see your order in our system, so I will send out a DCF patch kit now. That will be ideal for that hole in your sidewall. For the floor it will work, but not color matched to the white and a bit lighter fabric. You could put on two patches as a precaution. If you want it to be color matched, other brands have white DCF patches. - Dan
Dude the fact that I see you personally responding to so many people shows how much you care, and how passionate you are for the sport. You also do it incredibly respectfully without discounting other people's experiences. It's one of the reasons I've gone with the XMid 2 and as of a few days ago I picked up the Kakwa55. 10/10 class act! Keep it up!
Totally fell into the "if youre going to buy gear, buy the best gear" mentality for a long time. And when i buy top of the line gear, i end up babying it or not even taking it sometimes because I dont want it to get damaged. Giving up the obsession on base weight and just focusing on the the trip itself and relative comfort has done wonders for the overall quality of my adventures.
The funny thing is you can do as much research as you want and spend tons of money and often times you will still replace that gear with something that is better for your personal needs that you need experience to know about. I was stupid and spent well over 500 hours trying to pick the right gear before I ever spent a night on trail; I wish I just bought all budget gear and sold it on eBay as I upgraded.
Loving your videos and totally agree that you don't need super expensive technical gear to get outdoors. I do love nerding out on innovation and trying to min/max different aspects of backpacking.
Another thing you don't need - Nitecore power banks; for a 3rd of the price, you can get a Veektomx power bank that is only a tiny bit heavier. The Katabatic quilts are a fantastic alternative to ZenBivy. Rockfront also has some "bed" like quilts. The Polartech hoodies are way warmer and more durable when you layer a windbreaker/rain jacket over them.
Great attitude and thought process in this video. I started with a canvas pack on a Trapper Nelson frame and a plastic tarp in 1965. GAS will grow your pack weight without adding to the fun, so keeping it simple and maintaining a budget will give much higher satisfaction over the years. I'm still backpacking and doing good miles (now 70+ and still hitting 15-20 miles a day depending on terrain), and having fun. Anyone in decent physical condition can do this, I'm sure there will come a day when my body won't and I'll fondly look back on the memories. Liked and Subbed.
Thank you! I had to look up what a trapper Nelson was, it appears that they could carry a lot of weight. By the way, that’s amazing that you’re still hiking that many miles in a day! I know so many people that just stop being active once they’ve hit a certain age and just blame a lack of fitness on their age.
I buy lightweight full zip fleece jackets with pockets - usually can get them at Goodwill for ~$25 depending on brand and condition. Used is good enough for the backpacking and yardwork. I had some 6mil garbage bags left over from some project and I cut them down to fit inside the pack. Completely waterpoof and durable.
So, I spent years freezing my butt off by traveling too light. To figure out the ideal weight to carry, I used a study we had through work R&D that states 30% of your body weight allows the best balance of weight carriage and physical capability. If you have a lightweight sleeping system you can add warmth through wearing your midlayers. A great way to reduce weight is with your cooking equipment, footwear and having gear that serves more than one purpose. Ultimately for me, caving to gear snobbery led to a sore back and a crappy sleep. I now use my hunting pack (MR Sling Load) to carry what I want, trying to stick to 50lbs max. I will never cold soak my food or not drink a coffee at breakfast. I backpack / hike / camp to enjoy being out in the bush or up in the hills, not to mark off thousands of miles of distance on a trail system.
Great points in your comment! I see something recently that the max carry weight without effecting your conditioning is 12% of lean body weight. Which would be around 25lbs~ for me vs 70lbs~. I do weigh a lot so the percentages system may not work well for me
@@dakotacoburn That is interesting. I will check it out, thanks. My info was from combat loads, so heavier due the weight of ammo and special equipment.
😂😆as an old retired female train hopper i just laugh when this subject comes up. Ultralight hike youTube is so hyped. Go ahead, spend whatever you want! 😂my 1st Ultralight sleeping pad:: cardboard. You want it bad enough you go get it!♡ be well. 73
I have a quality quilt, DCF tent, and UL backpack. However, I got them all used. RUclipsrs might sway me to look for something, but I’m not going to break the bank to get it. If there is a piece of gear I want to upgrade, I always look for it used. I think my Bearikade is the only thing I purchased at full price but that’s because I didn’t have time to wait for a used one to come along.
I think that the thermal rest mats are so comfortable and I’ve never had any problems with them like and there are some that are cheaper and still very light
Great video. I'm impressed that you're choosing to use down at all being from Vancouver Island. I was born and raised here too and I'm very much in the synthetic camp for most of it, just for the piece of mind.
Thanks for the pro tip about the down. I had no idea, and it's very good information to know. Like many others, I thought higher fill/more expensive = better.
Vancouver Island. You guys get rain like we do up here, in Alaska. Because of the CONSTANT rain, I went with Dyneema. Doesn’t stretch when soaked, and the big reason- absorbs no measurable amount of water. And that is HUGE for me. Otherwise, I’d go with sil nylon. Sounds/feels better, looks better , packs down smaller. And for you guys who don’t have expendable mo why, yes- it cost much less
Social media is a mother... I've hiked and camped and so forth for over 30 yrs and never saw the need to spend anywhere what people are spending on minimalist / ultra light gear. It's fun to watch and interesting to see the innovations, but you have to balance it with actual real world need for your hiking. I've never considered myself a hardcore hiker even though I hike probably 3-4 times a week and do the difficult terrain often. I love the points you are raising, do more hikes buy less gear. I learned this lesson riding motorcycles and falling into the trap for a time of buying the latest and greatest. No. It's better to do more trips with the bike you have, or in this case, the gear you have.
👏🏻👏🏻 Nicely done, Dakota! I've been contemplating firing up a channel that empowers new and budget backpackers to find gear that won't break their bank, and doesn't sacrifice quality. With 10+ years of backpacking experience, I can assure them it can be done! Look forward to seeing your winter camping videos, I'm getting into more hot tenting this year. Subscribed!
Watching RUclips definitely makes me feel like I need to drop heavy money on light gear, but then I check out marketplace and find almost all I need. It’s nice to dream, though. Honestly cutting out junk does a better job of cutting weight when you get started.
Totally agree; when talking to someone who is considering taking up backpacking I urge them to start with inexpensive or borrowed gear. Once they have several trips under their belt and decide that this is something they really want to continue doing; then it may be time to slowly upgrade. I advise them to take their time and research, keeping in mind the area they will most frequently hike, weather, personal needs and preferences, and budget.
I think hiking lighter weight is wise for wear and tear on your body. I do look to YT for post hike recommendations for the hikes I plan on doing. I won’t go ultralight because of the overall weight carry restrictions; I carry longer food and water carries which exceed tech specs for most UL backpacks.
dude, the best gear you can go backpacking is the gear you have. Glad to see someone out there ranting against what all those *other* YTers are pushing. And not to take away from you, but it was nice to see even Darwin say the ZenBivy is not worth it!!! Get out on the trail on your terms, if it works for you, it works for you…the important thing is just getting out and enjoying yourself?! TBH. my most important piece of gear os the 16kg(35ish lb) Kettlebell I use on a regular basis to keep my legs, and core strong for carrying whatever weight I decide to throw on my back. and it was only 70 dollars :)
Yes. Shave off weight off the belly and save money. Spend less on sugar and refined carbs and more on protein and good nutrition for building muscle. Then the pack will be easier to carry. Go on local training walks with a pack loaded with water bottles. Don't 'get fit before you go hiking', get fit by hiking locally 1 day, then 2 days.... etc
Polyester Leisure Suits from the Disco Seventies are super Rad for outdoors, (100% synthetic, long pants, long sleeves, full jackets); a wool sweater and good sneakers and you're good to go.
Wooohooo. I'm looking forward to the winter camping videos. How do I feel watching gear videos?, I enjoy them, I also google the items and have a read, and then convert the USD into NZD and laugh. I'm truly budget, if I got an expensive macpac thermal, I'd never wear it for worry of destroying it. 30 dollar thermal works as well and I'm not concerned about snags or rips in it. Great video, keep going. 😊
Thank you for addressing the elephant in the room. I’ve been watching a bunch of backpacking videos and the constant inundation of new and improved gear is overwhelming. Even though I realize that’s part of their job, it can still be too much for me at times. That being said, I have definitely bought a few things to lighten my pack, some I’ve been super pleased with (my Enlightened Equipment 850 fill Enigma) and some not so happy about (the Nemo Tensor that wakes me up all night with sciatic pain). In the end, I have found that a mix of equipment I’ve have for nearly 20 years and a few new things have been a great combination. I try to keep my old gear as long as possible because, in the long run, I think it’s better for the environment and the outdoor environment is one of the major reasons I’m outside in the first place. Great video! Thanks!
Preach brother, preach! You’re hitting a lot of really key points about backpacking. If I see another used Melly for sale for hundreds of dollars…I may just lose my mind 😆
Not a hiker but I see the same in my genre. I like quality as much as the next guy but can’t justify paying out the high prices just to look good! Take care friend ✌️
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One thing that helps with UL FOMO is considering cost per use.
Nice video. I actually have some very expensive/ultra light pieces of equipment and some "regular" equipment; what you are saying is still 100% accurate!! My backpack is over four pounds, but it is so comfortable and carries everything so well I'll gladly carry the extra two or so pounds, not a problem. Most importantly is to just get out there!! Stay warm, dry, and hydrated...everything else will fall into place. Again, great video and accurate information!
I bought the ZenBivy Light... 800 fill down. Yes, heavier than an EE quilt, but cheaper and maybe more comfortable. I've stopped buying fleece - it's too bulky and heavy compared with other insulating layers. I prefer a down puffy and/or a wool layer. I'm still searching for the best sleeping pad. But I went out this past weekend with my new ZenBivy and my NeoAir Xtherm and was surprisingly comfortable all night. I must have gotten it just right because there have been nights where I'm uncomfortable. But there have also been nights where I'm uncomfortable on my BA Q-core SLX, which I thought was luxurious when I first got it. But it's warm and comfortable enough that I'm not actively searching for something else right now. I'll be soon looking to replace my tent and backpack. I'll probably still stick with a traditional pack and maybe just downsize a few liters. But I do want a smaller and lighter tent (currently a 2009 MSR Hubba Hubba) without breaking the bank. Anyway... I feel that a lot of gear videos are directed at through hikers and are sponsored videos pushing a product. If we remember that, we can process the information correctly and make some informed decisions.
The reason why "everybody has" (insert popular gear) is because most are paid shills. A very small minority will come right out and tell you they're being paid to feature a piece of gear but most will not. I noticed you included Luke from The Outdoor Gear Review in your thumbnail. The guy is 100% legit. He doesn't do any paid sponsorships at all. He's not Mr. Perfect by any means but he's not bought and paid for like most in this space. Thanks for the vid. Much appreciated.
Nice video. Just stumbled upon your channel. I agree with you on the comfort area. I was going with a tent till I tried a hammock. I get alot more restful sleep in the hammock than I ever did in a tent. It added 1.5 pounds to the base weight but well worth the rest and recovery. Gotta hit your subscribe button. Love your honesty.
Thanks, looking forward to seeing you around! I’ve given hammock a few (half assed) tried. I just couldn’t get it set up properly. One of these days I’ll give it a proper shot
Thanks for another great video! It's really refreshing to hear this kind of honesty. I hope you remain this way and don't get bought by the big brands! I have shared a lot of your philosophy and, hopefully, am into the 'Slope of Enlightenment' now :) I also seem to have traced similar products to you in this obsessive rabbit-hole to somehow attain whichever brands/materials are new and cool (I also found that MacPac was the cheapest way to get a Polartec Alpha direct top but NZ to Switzerland wasn't great postage either). Same with Durston and Thermarest stuff which, when I was initially looking, was too highly priced (here in Switzerland) or potentially risky to import due to fees. I think both are better now, but I've already bought adequate stuff. I don't know what to think about ZenBivvy. So many reviews came out at once, and I basically have all that, just in components that don't fit together so neatly. Saying that, like you say, it's where you are in the journey and/or where your income is in relation to that. Before I had children I was flush enough to consider an EE quilt worth getting, and it has served me well ever since. Now that I have children it makes me consider every purchase more seriously but it also gives me an excuse to try out variations along the price point and see what works. I tend to buy the 'best' when I can, and sort of the 'best average' and then use the UL stuff on my solo trips where I am gram counting and then share the good stuff out when I take the family on lighter/summer trips. I've also found well thought out/selected military stuff can be really good too, just be wary of which items are unnecessarily heavy and which are durable/quality enough to justify the weight. Equally, if it's just me, I'm willing to be a bit cold and shave grams off but I'll never risk my kids being uncomfortable. They need happy memories! I've been lucky enough to have several higher end items given to me thanks to a (highish) profile on Instagram in Brand Ambassador type roles so, for some things, I've been disproportionately well equipped and am very grateful for that. It's all become sort of weird though with one brand telling me they were really appreciative for my simple and honest opinions because many other magazines/websites essentially reviewed based on goodies given/level of bribe (i.e. $500 gets you 4/5 star reviews, $1000 gets you 'best in class' label etc.) There's a lot of 'chatter' in between the valuable reviews now so it's important to still get these neutral voices such as yours. By the way, your cinematography in this clip is superb! I love the shot/framing around 5:12.
I will say I have noticed in the last 6 months to a year, several hiking/camping youtubers have been focusing way more on affordable gear, and are more critical of the ultra expensive stuff (looking at you zenbivy and your ultralight bed, and most of the UL dynema makers and BA/Nemo for their 700-1000$+ tents that maybe will last a year or 2 with heavy use).
"The peak of Mt. Stupid", I've been there, but I've never tried going to ultra-lite, it's never made since to me even though I do own a couple of pieces of UL equipment. Speaking of the Lanshan 2, that's my current primary hiking tent. Also, if you want to investigate a reasonably priced UL pack, check out the 3F UL Gear Yue 45+10, you'll have to go to their site to get it, and it ships from China, but I'm in love with my UHMWPE-Khaki version, framed backpack that weighs 2.4 lbs (1085g). Currently on sale for $156.00 U.S. I enjoyed the video.
I’m building a cheap-ish kit since I went back to school and am broke again. Not buying the absolute cheapest stuff, but definitely no dyneema in my future. But I’ll end up around 15 lbs with a bear canister so that’s pretty cool. Lots of sales and some second hand stuff. Tiny trekking pole tent. And most of my clothes are things I had lying around or wal mart/amazon specials. Ultralight ain’t the end all be all but I do like how being careful with weight can reduce wear and tear and keep us healthier longer. Hopefully means we can hike into old age!
@@dakotacoburn yeah I’m in between. I’m shorter, only 5’7” so height wise I can use a bunch of stuff. But I’m pretty heavy at 230 lbs so that kills it with clothes and stuff.
You haven’t mentioned the real virtue of ultra high fill power down - utter luxury. My PHD bag molds more closely to my body than any bag I’ve used in the past which had lesser fill power down. I love it. The other bags were good but the 1000 fill power bag is better.
I am a very stubborn lad so it takes alot for any youtuber to praise a product enough for me to consider it... But yea as you mentioned the whole "you need x,y and z" mentality definitively is a thing.
Yes, the videos create a desire in me for upper tier gear. Not because others say “you gotta have this” but because most of that gear has weight or performance value. It’s a balance one must think through, the tension between what I need/want and what reasonably fits my budget. There is history of people hiking the AT back in the day with a burlap bag as their backpack. So does one NEED that gear to hike? No
I feel like the sweet spot for comfort vs weight is 20 lbs base weight. If you have a lightweight tent and pack, you can pretty easily get sub 20 lbs and still bring comfort items like a chair. And you don't have to spend an arm and a leg to do it.
I wish I could find it, but I saw a post that said 12% of lean body weight is the max base weight before it affects your conditioning. So 20 pounds is about right!
I'm from NZ and have the macpac nitro! The price you mentioned was cheaper than when I bought it a year ago. I was very skeptical about it at first (like disliked it a lot) but found I kept on wanting to give it a chance so kept on wearing it, and now it is my first garment I pick to put over a shirt. Whilst I LOVE how light it is and how breathable AND warm it is, you can easily just find another cheaper fleece to replace it. Still would recommend the macpac nitro though (although get the womens version because the men's version has a random zip pocket that can't even fit a phone or anything). Also it is not durable (DEFINITELY don't use it as an outer layer for bushwhacking) but mine's held up surprisingly well (first 3 months there were holes and random pilling everywhere, the next 9 months I've gotten no holes and little pilling)
Thanks for the video, Dakota. I am 61 and definitely not a high-performance, athletic hiker. I am more of a long-weekend type hiker. I did switch to more ultralight gear, because doing so enabled me to shave about 4 lbs off my pack weight, and enables me to hike longer with my bad back and creaky knees. For me, I don’t care at all what other people think and do not buy gear to impress people. I buy lighter gear to enable me to keep hiking. And also I love new gadgets, so there is that! 😅
I’m glad you enjoyed it! I believe a good chunk of people use ultra light gear are in a similar position as you. Folks just want to enjoy themselves while out of trail! I definitely love gear too, hence the RUclips channel 😂
The new-bees to wilderness travel and bike packing, are too obsessed with light weight travel gear. This obsession with one tent being 10 grams lighter than last year's model. Sleeping bag ratings, stove ratings, shoe ratings. It is just crazy. I'm still using equipment I first bought in the late 1960's. I have always tried to live an active life both at home and on the trail. What I wear at home and on the trail and to the store looks much the same. Think like and live like a nomad. No fancy sleeping bag, just a simple sleep system consisting of modules. The warmer the weather the fewer the modules the colder the weather I add more modules. The most important part of a pack is how straight you can stand with the pack fully loaded. Take a photo of you from the side fully loaded, draw a vertical line from the center of the shoe through the hip joint continuing to above your standing height. The more lean forwarded from the hip the more wasted energy. The best pack is the one that will stand you almost vertical, not the most expensive light weight one. The best tent design is 11,000 years old, the best stove design was developed in 1898, the best sleeping system is the MSS designed in the 1970's. The best lighting systems are now in progress, the best backpack developed 10,000 years ago. The best shirt has been around for 400 years.
Keep in mind as well, that RUclips is engineered toward sales. A lot of those bigger channels reviewing high end gear got it for free because the company wants to target as many viewers as possible. Even though gear reviews can be interesting, one must keep in mind that they are essentially watching a 30 minute commercial. There’s also a psychological shift that occurs as the viewer develops an opinion that they must have certain equipment to walk through the wilderness, when all you really need (hypothetically) is a decent pair of shoes and a hiking stick. Thanks for the video!
I own a zenbivy bed (synthetic fabric) and i cannot get over the fact that all youtubers are trying to pass that light bed as an essential. Its a sponsor advertisement and there is no way that price its justified.
Calling an exact piece of gear essential doesn’t sit well with me. On the spot here, I’m having a hard time thinking of a piece of gear that doesn’t have a direct competitor.
One item i did splash out on was the only Aussie made UL Dyneema backpack the Whippa Outlander 60 made by Summit Gear in the Blue Mountains, NSW. Just because it great to see an Australian made item and to support local manufacturers when i can. MacPac also sell a pretty decent priced UL down jacket when it's on sale, down to 99 AUD but often around the 130 mark. New sub from me, like to see some Canadian adventure. I really enjoy the stuff from Justin Outdoors
Thanks, looking forward to seeing you around! How do you find the whippa pack? I see that Scotty gone walkabout is using one from them. Looks really cool!
So true, I also watch more down to earth channels like Grunt Proof and The Outdoor Gear Review for cheaper dependable gear and other options. The temptation of lighter is powerful but so often requires a comfort, reliability and safety compromise. You're sleeping bag example is perfect, down and fill power really affect weight and size but can sacrifice reliability and safety. I rather a heavier and bigger synthetic bag that I know will keep me warm no matter what happens. I have been miserable once to often on the trail. PS awesome to see Paul Messner in your montage, love the personality & UK weather perspective.
Thanks! A synthetic bag in a roll top dry bag is the safest way to go. But not every trip requires that. That why I like hearing different prospects from everyone and where they live!
I’ve thrown a lot of money at expensive gear, and not enough time in the field. Big mistake. Natural Rule - what may work for one person, may not for the next and so on. I just recommend getting out there and practicing. The more you do it, the more you’ll be in tune with your personal needs. There will be some trial and error, that’s just how it goes. Budget what you can afford, splurge when you can, and take note on what you truly do and don’t need. 😎👍🏻
Hike your own hike. Everyone has different needs a different times at different stages of their life. I think more of us need to focus on where we’re at and what we’re truly doing, rather than get the newest gear that’s available. However, The temptation to get the newest shiniest gear, is with most of us.
Who in their right mind would ever say rude things to a Canadian?! Satan? 😂I have polar tech from a major retailer bought for 20$...never thought it was something special. I love in because it's thin and still warm..had no clue i had a " luxury " item for every day use...peasant that I am 😂
I got an even better tip for the first one, just dont buy down. youre paying for compressibility. So what if it takes up a little more space, id rather use more space in my pack than dollars out of my pocket
I'm torn if i get the lanshan 1 pro or xmid 1 for a 6'0 guy. I like the one pole setup and price of the lanshan, but am worried about the ntylon sag everyone talks about. Is it that bad?
I personally haven’t used the lanshan pro 1, but I liked my pro 2. That being said, if it rains over night, my foot box is touching the sidewalls(I’m 6’5 though). Have a look at dans comment on this video, the guys customers service is unreal. Without me asking, he looked up my address and sent me a repair kit for xmid. That fact alone would make my decision
All the RUclips backpackers that get sponsored have all this super premium gear given to them... So that's what they push.. if you use their link then they get paid... It's impossible to compare to them. I hike and have a good time for 1/4 the cost!
This is all true but there's a a big BUT that also needs considering. Do NOT buy anything that's TOO cheap. A premium price often means better durability (in your pad case, at least backed by a great warranty.) The other issue I found that was far more important than weight was pack volume. Lighter gear usually means smaller volume. But regardless, I found myself running out of pack space with gear, and anything else I felt like I wanted I needed space for. You're right, the gains are marginal when you go ultra premium, but for gear you plan to use for years and that you also plan to trust out in the wilderness with no one else around, spend enough to be comfortable and secure instead of trying to save another $15
I’ve honestly found that not to be the case with backpacking gear. The best of the best, which is the lightest (excluding mountaineering/hunting packs&tents) isn’t going to be the most reliable gear. Think of it like a Ferrari vs a Toyota.
@@dakotacoburn that's why I very specifically mentioned the warranty on your thermarest. In lieu of quality when things are delicate, you get good warranty. If you have gear from unreliable brands that don't honour warranty, you're sctewes
I live in New Zealand and Macpac does not sell its fleeces for $60NZD. They are all at least twice as much. Would love to know where you are getting your prices so I can buy at those ones.😂Agree with all your comments though. Especially regarding the Zenbivy bed.
Sorry you misunderstood me, $60usd. I picked up the Nitro in February, and it looks like I got lucky when I picked it up for 107nzd 😅 considering it’s 180 now
I really liked your video thank you for sharing this perspective. This is not a dig at you at all, but as someone hard of hearing sometimes it’s hard to understand what you are saying and auto subtitles are crap. That being said I just found your channel and probably just need to keep watching to get used to your accent ;) Thanks again
I look at tent cost like this if I stay a week in a mediocre hotel it’s the same cost as the tent , but with the tent I can get a lot more value out of it than the cost of a hotel stay for a week.
Good vid, I was just think about this subject the other day. The outdoors has become increasingly gentrified, overpriced, and more of a fashion show to flex on other people or look good on IG which seems to have only got worse since covid. I understand throwing down some cash for a quality items but a lot of items I've seen being sold seem more like overengineered gimmicks made of expensive fabric that are sold for sake of sucking people in who don't know better or have more money than brains. I understand the focus on kit by youtubers as thats what probably attracts the most views, and I do enjoy seeing new items or new takes on existing items, but I do have to roll my eyes when I see things like $60 packliner when a thick garbage bag is just as good and weighs more or less the same (if you're a weight wheenie). The gentrification of the outdoors and the looking down on people who don't have the gucciest stuff is probably my biggest gripe with the outdoors community I have (followed only behind the nerd who make being outdoorsy their whole personality).
Thanks Connor! A great example of that is goretex, it’s everything you said to a tea. A $60 pack liner actually makes sense to me if it was a true dry bag liner. Not one made out of dcf, I wouldn’t trust the seems in that setting.
I love it when people ball out on gear; they’re supporting the cottage companies we love and that money goes towards improving the technology. Also, people carrying lighter gear can theoretically hike farther and will reduce impact in the first mile from the trailhead where the fat noobs camp.
99% of the thorough, field-tested reviews from the big channels are reviewing gear they didn't pay $0.01 for. I love those videos, but they're massively biased -- the reviewers have no skin in the game, so it's easy to love the good and tolerate the bad. You'll also notice that they'll review a piece of gear, rave about how awesome it is, and then, in the next 9 months of videos, you never again see that piece of gear with them on trail. So, it was so awesome that you decided to never take it with you again? So, the big channels are helpful and I'm glad they have access to gear to try and review on my behalf. But, there are some big, big limitations of those channels.
I’ve fallen for it. I don’t blame the vendors or the RUclipsrs - they are both using the system and probably making inroads against the larger gear companies and media outlets. They seem to be making a living, although it is at the expense of a lot of individuals that end up with more and more expensive gear than they need to get out. (Speaking for myself). The industry is tough and I feel for the cottage companies that don’t want or can’t blast the internet with sponsored give away videos. It’s not the best products that succeed, but those that are well marketed. Old News!
This is the only video from you I have viewed. It doesn't sound like you script your videos and it kinda shows. It was very difficult for me to understand what you were saying, mainly because you were speaking fast and not enunciating your words well. A scripted video would help with that. Anyway, just thought I would throw out this unsolicited advice. Hope you take it in the spirit it was offered. I like the subject of the4 video, but the presentation caused me issues. Take care.
Thank tou for your video ! You are right about the influence RUclips has on consuming more. I thought wrongly the most light and technical gear out would lure the crowd and would actually help lower the cost of more ancient / less technical gear. It did in some extend, but the huge engagement into hiking and outdoor activities has boomed and prices went up a lot on everything related ! I actually did a video on what I use. I love to see people getting hikes done with stuff they had on hand or even build themselves !
Thanks for putting this together. If you need any repair help with your X-Mid Pro we're happy to do that. We do free repairs on our tents. We don't see many issues with the corner struts, but occasionally they might abrade on something.
Thanks Dan! Maybe a patch would work?
I’ve seen you guys reply on a few different people’s videos now with ways to improve their experience with their Durston gear. I don’t think I’ve seen any other companies show they care about their customers once their product is purchased quite like you. I can’t afford Dyneema, but your focus on quality, durability, and customer satisfaction is one of the reasons I purchased an X-Mid 2, and why I have my eye on the Kakwa 55. 👍
@@dakotacoburn Yes. I see you have the DCF floor and the strut would have escaped due to some type of abrasion at the corner, but can be patched easily with a DCF patch. The DCF patches we have use the fly material, so they are color matched to that. I see your order in our system, so I will send out a DCF patch kit now.
That will be ideal for that hole in your sidewall. For the floor it will work, but not color matched to the white and a bit lighter fabric. You could put on two patches as a precaution. If you want it to be color matched, other brands have white DCF patches.
- Dan
@@8evanesse Thanks :)
Dude the fact that I see you personally responding to so many people shows how much you care, and how passionate you are for the sport. You also do it incredibly respectfully without discounting other people's experiences. It's one of the reasons I've gone with the XMid 2 and as of a few days ago I picked up the Kakwa55. 10/10 class act! Keep it up!
I'm with you!!! Just because everyone and their brother are using it doesn't mean it's right for you. Use what works well for you.
Nice to see someone on RUclips from Vancouver Island! Thanks! Keep it up! 💜
Thanks for watching! I love our home!
Totally fell into the "if youre going to buy gear, buy the best gear" mentality for a long time. And when i buy top of the line gear, i end up babying it or not even taking it sometimes because I dont want it to get damaged. Giving up the obsession on base weight and just focusing on the the trip itself and relative comfort has done wonders for the overall quality of my adventures.
The funny thing is you can do as much research as you want and spend tons of money and often times you will still replace that gear with something that is better for your personal needs that you need experience to know about. I was stupid and spent well over 500 hours trying to pick the right gear before I ever spent a night on trail; I wish I just bought all budget gear and sold it on eBay as I upgraded.
Loving your videos and totally agree that you don't need super expensive technical gear to get outdoors. I do love nerding out on innovation and trying to min/max different aspects of backpacking.
Thanks Justin! I find it so cool that you’re checking out my videos, I’ve been watching yours since 2020!
Paul Messner and Oscar in the thumbnail? Europe is finally blessed!!!
I wish we had more RUclipsr from Europe too!
Another thing you don't need - Nitecore power banks; for a 3rd of the price, you can get a Veektomx power bank that is only a tiny bit heavier. The Katabatic quilts are a fantastic alternative to ZenBivy. Rockfront also has some "bed" like quilts. The Polartech hoodies are way warmer and more durable when you layer a windbreaker/rain jacket over them.
Great attitude and thought process in this video. I started with a canvas pack on a Trapper Nelson frame and a plastic tarp in 1965. GAS will grow your pack weight without adding to the fun, so keeping it simple and maintaining a budget will give much higher satisfaction over the years. I'm still backpacking and doing good miles (now 70+ and still hitting 15-20 miles a day depending on terrain), and having fun. Anyone in decent physical condition can do this, I'm sure there will come a day when my body won't and I'll fondly look back on the memories. Liked and Subbed.
Thank you! I had to look up what a trapper Nelson was, it appears that they could carry a lot of weight. By the way, that’s amazing that you’re still hiking that many miles in a day! I know so many people that just stop being active once they’ve hit a certain age and just blame a lack of fitness on their age.
I buy lightweight full zip fleece jackets with pockets - usually can get them at Goodwill for ~$25 depending on brand and condition. Used is good enough for the backpacking and yardwork. I had some 6mil garbage bags left over from some project and I cut them down to fit inside the pack. Completely waterpoof and durable.
So, I spent years freezing my butt off by traveling too light. To figure out the ideal weight to carry, I used a study we had through work R&D that states 30% of your body weight allows the best balance of weight carriage and physical capability. If you have a lightweight sleeping system you can add warmth through wearing your midlayers. A great way to reduce weight is with your cooking equipment, footwear and having gear that serves more than one purpose. Ultimately for me, caving to gear snobbery led to a sore back and a crappy sleep. I now use my hunting pack (MR Sling Load) to carry what I want, trying to stick to 50lbs max. I will never cold soak my food or not drink a coffee at breakfast. I backpack / hike / camp to enjoy being out in the bush or up in the hills, not to mark off thousands of miles of distance on a trail system.
Great points in your comment! I see something recently that the max carry weight without effecting your conditioning is 12% of lean body weight. Which would be around 25lbs~ for me vs 70lbs~. I do weigh a lot so the percentages system may not work well for me
@@dakotacoburn That is interesting. I will check it out, thanks. My info was from combat loads, so heavier due the weight of ammo and special equipment.
😂😆as an old retired female train hopper i just laugh when this subject comes up. Ultralight hike youTube is so hyped. Go ahead, spend whatever you want!
😂my 1st Ultralight sleeping pad:: cardboard.
You want it bad enough you go get it!♡ be well. 73
I have a quality quilt, DCF tent, and UL backpack. However, I got them all used. RUclipsrs might sway me to look for something, but I’m not going to break the bank to get it. If there is a piece of gear I want to upgrade, I always look for it used. I think my Bearikade is the only thing I purchased at full price but that’s because I didn’t have time to wait for a used one to come along.
I think that the thermal rest mats are so comfortable and I’ve never had any problems with them like and there are some that are cheaper and still very light
Great video. I'm impressed that you're choosing to use down at all being from Vancouver Island. I was born and raised here too and I'm very much in the synthetic camp for most of it, just for the piece of mind.
Thanks for the pro tip about the down. I had no idea, and it's very good information to know. Like many others, I thought higher fill/more expensive = better.
Vancouver Island. You guys get rain like we do up here, in Alaska.
Because of the CONSTANT rain, I went with Dyneema. Doesn’t stretch when soaked, and the big reason- absorbs no measurable amount of water. And that is HUGE for me. Otherwise, I’d go with sil nylon. Sounds/feels better, looks better , packs down smaller. And for you guys who don’t have expendable mo why, yes- it cost much less
I appreciate the realistic take.
Social media is a mother... I've hiked and camped and so forth for over 30 yrs and never saw the need to spend anywhere what people are spending on minimalist / ultra light gear. It's fun to watch and interesting to see the innovations, but you have to balance it with actual real world need for your hiking. I've never considered myself a hardcore hiker even though I hike probably 3-4 times a week and do the difficult terrain often. I love the points you are raising, do more hikes buy less gear. I learned this lesson riding motorcycles and falling into the trap for a time of buying the latest and greatest. No. It's better to do more trips with the bike you have, or in this case, the gear you have.
It's actually refreshing to see someone say you don't need really expensive equipment to enjoy the great outdoors
👏🏻👏🏻 Nicely done, Dakota! I've been contemplating firing up a channel that empowers new and budget backpackers to find gear that won't break their bank, and doesn't sacrifice quality. With 10+ years of backpacking experience, I can assure them it can be done! Look forward to seeing your winter camping videos, I'm getting into more hot tenting this year. Subscribed!
allergic to down. my allergy has saved me mucho dinero!
Real!
Watching RUclips definitely makes me feel like I need to drop heavy money on light gear, but then I check out marketplace and find almost all I need. It’s nice to dream, though.
Honestly cutting out junk does a better job of cutting weight when you get started.
Totally agree; when talking to someone who is considering taking up backpacking I urge them to start with inexpensive or borrowed gear. Once they have several trips under their belt and decide that this is something they really want to continue doing; then it may be time to slowly upgrade. I advise them to take their time and research, keeping in mind the area they will most frequently hike, weather, personal needs and preferences, and budget.
I think hiking lighter weight is wise for wear and tear on your body. I do look to YT for post hike recommendations for the hikes I plan on doing. I won’t go ultralight because of the overall weight carry restrictions; I carry longer food and water carries which exceed tech specs for most UL backpacks.
Interesting point on the 850 vs. 950 down. I am shopping quilts currently, and am seeing a $100-$200 usd price jump simply by selecting 950 fill down.
Great job and thank you for being straight forward
Love your video man! Keep being honest that is sonething we need more in youtube outdoor community!
Thanks, I appreciate it!
dude, the best gear you can go backpacking is the gear you have. Glad to see someone out there ranting against what all those *other* YTers are pushing. And not to take away from you, but it was nice to see even Darwin say the ZenBivy is not worth it!!! Get out on the trail on your terms, if it works for you, it works for you…the important thing is just getting out and enjoying yourself?! TBH. my most important piece of gear os the 16kg(35ish lb) Kettlebell I use on a regular basis to keep my legs, and core strong for carrying whatever weight I decide to throw on my back. and it was only 70 dollars :)
This. Way too many people neglect weight training when their trying to shave grams out of their packs
Absolutely, if people focused more on their physical fitness instead of gear, they would be way better off in the long run.
Yes. Shave off weight off the belly and save money. Spend less on sugar and refined carbs and more on protein and good nutrition for building muscle. Then the pack will be easier to carry. Go on local training walks with a pack loaded with water bottles. Don't 'get fit before you go hiking', get fit by hiking locally 1 day, then 2 days.... etc
Polyester Leisure Suits from the Disco Seventies are super Rad for outdoors, (100% synthetic, long pants, long sleeves, full jackets); a wool sweater and good sneakers and you're good to go.
Wooohooo. I'm looking forward to the winter camping videos. How do I feel watching gear videos?, I enjoy them, I also google the items and have a read, and then convert the USD into NZD and laugh. I'm truly budget, if I got an expensive macpac thermal, I'd never wear it for worry of destroying it. 30 dollar thermal works as well and I'm not concerned about snags or rips in it. Great video, keep going. 😊
Thank you for addressing the elephant in the room. I’ve been watching a bunch of backpacking videos and the constant inundation of new and improved gear is overwhelming. Even though I realize that’s part of their job, it can still be too much for me at times. That being said, I have definitely bought a few things to lighten my pack, some I’ve been super pleased with (my Enlightened Equipment 850 fill Enigma) and some not so happy about (the Nemo Tensor that wakes me up all night with sciatic pain). In the end, I have found that a mix of equipment I’ve have for nearly 20 years and a few new things have been a great combination. I try to keep my old gear as long as possible because, in the long run, I think it’s better for the environment and the outdoor environment is one of the major reasons I’m outside in the first place. Great video! Thanks!
Thanks! Great comment, you made lots of good points!
Preach brother, preach! You’re hitting a lot of really key points about backpacking. If I see another used Melly for sale for hundreds of dollars…I may just lose my mind 😆
I’m loving this video. Realistic, reasonable and well argued
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
where is the shot at 5:11 from? incredible landscape
That was from Mount Aspiring national park in New Zealand
Not a hiker but I see the same in my genre. I like quality as much as the next guy but can’t justify paying out the high prices just to look good!
Take care friend ✌️
One thing that helps with UL FOMO is considering cost per use.
Really enjoy your voice and delivery. Subscribed.
Thank you! I really appreciate you noticing that, I’ve been working hard on that
Nice video. I actually have some very expensive/ultra light pieces of equipment and some "regular" equipment; what you are saying is still 100% accurate!! My backpack is over four pounds, but it is so comfortable and carries everything so well I'll gladly carry the extra two or so pounds, not a problem. Most importantly is to just get out there!! Stay warm, dry, and hydrated...everything else will fall into place. Again, great video and accurate information!
Thanks, I’m glad you liked the video! I have a wide range of gear too, Dyneema gear to a cheap Walmart head lamp, $10 pot ect.. 😂
I bought the ZenBivy Light... 800 fill down. Yes, heavier than an EE quilt, but cheaper and maybe more comfortable.
I've stopped buying fleece - it's too bulky and heavy compared with other insulating layers. I prefer a down puffy and/or a wool layer.
I'm still searching for the best sleeping pad. But I went out this past weekend with my new ZenBivy and my NeoAir Xtherm and was surprisingly comfortable all night. I must have gotten it just right because there have been nights where I'm uncomfortable. But there have also been nights where I'm uncomfortable on my BA Q-core SLX, which I thought was luxurious when I first got it. But it's warm and comfortable enough that I'm not actively searching for something else right now.
I'll be soon looking to replace my tent and backpack. I'll probably still stick with a traditional pack and maybe just downsize a few liters. But I do want a smaller and lighter tent (currently a 2009 MSR Hubba Hubba) without breaking the bank.
Anyway... I feel that a lot of gear videos are directed at through hikers and are sponsored videos pushing a product. If we remember that, we can process the information correctly and make some informed decisions.
The reason why "everybody has" (insert popular gear) is because most are paid shills. A very small minority will come right out and tell you they're being paid to feature a piece of gear but most will not. I noticed you included Luke from The Outdoor Gear Review in your thumbnail. The guy is 100% legit. He doesn't do any paid sponsorships at all. He's not Mr. Perfect by any means but he's not bought and paid for like most in this space.
Thanks for the vid. Much appreciated.
Nice video. Just stumbled upon your channel. I agree with you on the comfort area. I was going with a tent till I tried a hammock. I get alot more restful sleep in the hammock than I ever did in a tent. It added 1.5 pounds to the base weight but well worth the rest and recovery. Gotta hit your subscribe button. Love your honesty.
Thanks, looking forward to seeing you around! I’ve given hammock a few (half assed) tried. I just couldn’t get it set up properly. One of these days I’ll give it a proper shot
Dude, yes I covet all these tubers gear, but when im in the field i feel clever for my means, and never really feel like im lacking
Thanks for another great video! It's really refreshing to hear this kind of honesty. I hope you remain this way and don't get bought by the big brands!
I have shared a lot of your philosophy and, hopefully, am into the 'Slope of Enlightenment' now :)
I also seem to have traced similar products to you in this obsessive rabbit-hole to somehow attain whichever brands/materials are new and cool (I also found that MacPac was the cheapest way to get a Polartec Alpha direct top but NZ to Switzerland wasn't great postage either). Same with Durston and Thermarest stuff which, when I was initially looking, was too highly priced (here in Switzerland) or potentially risky to import due to fees. I think both are better now, but I've already bought adequate stuff. I don't know what to think about ZenBivvy. So many reviews came out at once, and I basically have all that, just in components that don't fit together so neatly.
Saying that, like you say, it's where you are in the journey and/or where your income is in relation to that. Before I had children I was flush enough to consider an EE quilt worth getting, and it has served me well ever since. Now that I have children it makes me consider every purchase more seriously but it also gives me an excuse to try out variations along the price point and see what works. I tend to buy the 'best' when I can, and sort of the 'best average' and then use the UL stuff on my solo trips where I am gram counting and then share the good stuff out when I take the family on lighter/summer trips. I've also found well thought out/selected military stuff can be really good too, just be wary of which items are unnecessarily heavy and which are durable/quality enough to justify the weight. Equally, if it's just me, I'm willing to be a bit cold and shave grams off but I'll never risk my kids being uncomfortable. They need happy memories!
I've been lucky enough to have several higher end items given to me thanks to a (highish) profile on Instagram in Brand Ambassador type roles so, for some things, I've been disproportionately well equipped and am very grateful for that. It's all become sort of weird though with one brand telling me they were really appreciative for my simple and honest opinions because many other magazines/websites essentially reviewed based on goodies given/level of bribe (i.e. $500 gets you 4/5 star reviews, $1000 gets you 'best in class' label etc.) There's a lot of 'chatter' in between the valuable reviews now so it's important to still get these neutral voices such as yours.
By the way, your cinematography in this clip is superb! I love the shot/framing around 5:12.
Good stuff man
Thanks man I appreciate it!
I will say I have noticed in the last 6 months to a year, several hiking/camping youtubers have been focusing way more on affordable gear, and are more critical of the ultra expensive stuff (looking at you zenbivy and your ultralight bed, and most of the UL dynema makers and BA/Nemo for their 700-1000$+ tents that maybe will last a year or 2 with heavy use).
Exalent video Very True 🎉 New Subscriber because of this video😁
"The peak of Mt. Stupid", I've been there, but I've never tried going to ultra-lite, it's never made since to me even though I do own a couple of pieces of UL equipment. Speaking of the Lanshan 2, that's my current primary hiking tent. Also, if you want to investigate a reasonably priced UL pack, check out the 3F UL Gear Yue 45+10, you'll have to go to their site to get it, and it ships from China, but I'm in love with my UHMWPE-Khaki version, framed backpack that weighs 2.4 lbs (1085g). Currently on sale for $156.00 U.S.
I enjoyed the video.
I’m building a cheap-ish kit since I went back to school and am broke again. Not buying the absolute cheapest stuff, but definitely no dyneema in my future. But I’ll end up around 15 lbs with a bear canister so that’s pretty cool. Lots of sales and some second hand stuff. Tiny trekking pole tent. And most of my clothes are things I had lying around or wal mart/amazon specials. Ultralight ain’t the end all be all but I do like how being careful with weight can reduce wear and tear and keep us healthier longer. Hopefully means we can hike into old age!
2nd hand stuff can be great if you’re more of a common size. I always see stuff that a great deal on marketplace but it’s always the wrong size
@@dakotacoburn yeah I’m in between. I’m shorter, only 5’7” so height wise I can use a bunch of stuff. But I’m pretty heavy at 230 lbs so that kills it with clothes and stuff.
You haven’t mentioned the real virtue of ultra high fill power down - utter luxury. My PHD bag molds more closely to my body than any bag I’ve used in the past which had lesser fill power down. I love it. The other bags were good but the 1000 fill power bag is better.
I am a very stubborn lad so it takes alot for any youtuber to praise a product enough for me to consider it...
But yea as you mentioned the whole "you need x,y and z" mentality definitively is a thing.
Great video! I appreciate the tips as a new older backpacker.
No problem, glad you enjoyed!
Yes, the videos create a desire in me for upper tier gear. Not because others say “you gotta have this” but because most of that gear has weight or performance value. It’s a balance one must think through, the tension between what I need/want and what reasonably fits my budget. There is history of people hiking the AT back in the day with a burlap bag as their backpack. So does one NEED that gear to hike? No
Have the Zenbivy. You've done yourself a real service by going in a different direction.👍
I feel like the sweet spot for comfort vs weight is 20 lbs base weight. If you have a lightweight tent and pack, you can pretty easily get sub 20 lbs and still bring comfort items like a chair. And you don't have to spend an arm and a leg to do it.
I wish I could find it, but I saw a post that said 12% of lean body weight is the max base weight before it affects your conditioning. So 20 pounds is about right!
This is really good! Keeping it real. Thank you for sharing.
No problem, glad you enjoyed!
I'm from NZ and have the macpac nitro!
The price you mentioned was cheaper than when I bought it a year ago. I was very skeptical about it at first (like disliked it a lot) but found I kept on wanting to give it a chance so kept on wearing it, and now it is my first garment I pick to put over a shirt.
Whilst I LOVE how light it is and how breathable AND warm it is, you can easily just find another cheaper fleece to replace it. Still would recommend the macpac nitro though (although get the womens version because the men's version has a random zip pocket that can't even fit a phone or anything). Also it is not durable (DEFINITELY don't use it as an outer layer for bushwhacking) but mine's held up surprisingly well (first 3 months there were holes and random pilling everywhere, the next 9 months I've gotten no holes and little pilling)
I just looked at how much it is, I definitely picked it up on a big discount. Like I said, I’m loving mine as well!
Thanks for the video, Dakota. I am 61 and definitely not a high-performance, athletic hiker. I am more of a long-weekend type hiker. I did switch to more ultralight gear, because doing so enabled me to shave about 4 lbs off my pack weight, and enables me to hike longer with my bad back and creaky knees. For me, I don’t care at all what other people think and do not buy gear to impress people. I buy lighter gear to enable me to keep hiking. And also I love new gadgets, so there is that! 😅
I’m glad you enjoyed it! I believe a good chunk of people use ultra light gear are in a similar position as you. Folks just want to enjoy themselves while out of trail! I definitely love gear too, hence the RUclips channel 😂
The new-bees to wilderness travel and bike packing, are too obsessed with light weight travel gear.
This obsession with one tent being 10 grams lighter than last year's model. Sleeping bag ratings, stove ratings, shoe ratings. It is just crazy. I'm still using equipment I first bought in the late 1960's. I have always tried to live an active life both at home and on the trail. What I wear at home and on the trail and to the store looks much the same. Think like and live like a nomad. No fancy sleeping bag, just a simple sleep system consisting of modules. The warmer the weather the fewer the modules the colder the weather I add more modules. The most important part of a pack is how straight you can stand with the pack fully loaded. Take a photo of you from the side fully loaded, draw a vertical line from the center of the shoe through the hip joint continuing to above your standing height. The more lean forwarded from the hip the more wasted energy. The best pack is the one that will stand you almost vertical, not the most expensive light weight one. The best tent design is 11,000 years old, the best stove design was developed in 1898, the best sleeping system is the MSS designed in the 1970's. The best lighting systems are now in progress, the best backpack developed 10,000 years ago. The best shirt has been around for 400 years.
Keep in mind as well, that RUclips is engineered toward sales. A lot of those bigger channels reviewing high end gear got it for free because the company wants to target as many viewers as possible. Even though gear reviews can be interesting, one must keep in mind that they are essentially watching a 30 minute commercial. There’s also a psychological shift that occurs as the viewer develops an opinion that they must have certain equipment to walk through the wilderness, when all you really need (hypothetically) is a decent pair of shoes and a hiking stick. Thanks for the video!
Glad you enjoyed the video!
I own a zenbivy bed (synthetic fabric) and i cannot get over the fact that all youtubers are trying to pass that light bed as an essential. Its a sponsor advertisement and there is no way that price its justified.
Calling an exact piece of gear essential doesn’t sit well with me. On the spot here, I’m having a hard time thinking of a piece of gear that doesn’t have a direct competitor.
One item i did splash out on was the only Aussie made UL Dyneema backpack the Whippa Outlander 60 made by Summit Gear in the Blue Mountains, NSW. Just because it great to see an Australian made item and to support local manufacturers when i can.
MacPac also sell a pretty decent priced UL down jacket when it's on sale, down to 99 AUD but often around the 130 mark.
New sub from me, like to see some Canadian adventure. I really enjoy the stuff from Justin Outdoors
How is the backpack?
From what I could find it was the only backpack that used ultra 800 on their packs but there weren't many reviews on it
Thanks, looking forward to seeing you around!
How do you find the whippa pack? I see that Scotty gone walkabout is using one from them. Looks really cool!
So true, I also watch more down to earth channels like Grunt Proof and The Outdoor Gear Review for cheaper dependable gear and other options. The temptation of lighter is powerful but so often requires a comfort, reliability and safety compromise. You're sleeping bag example is perfect, down and fill power really affect weight and size but can sacrifice reliability and safety. I rather a heavier and bigger synthetic bag that I know will keep me warm no matter what happens. I have been miserable once to often on the trail. PS awesome to see Paul Messner in your montage, love the personality & UK weather perspective.
Thanks! A synthetic bag in a roll top dry bag is the safest way to go. But not every trip requires that. That why I like hearing different prospects from everyone and where they live!
I’ve thrown a lot of money at expensive gear, and not enough time in the field. Big mistake. Natural Rule - what may work for one person, may not for the next and so on. I just recommend getting out there and practicing. The more you do it, the more you’ll be in tune with your personal needs. There will be some trial and error, that’s just how it goes. Budget what you can afford, splurge when you can, and take note on what you truly do and don’t need. 😎👍🏻
Hike your own hike. Everyone has different needs a different times at different stages of their life. I think more of us need to focus on where we’re at and what we’re truly doing, rather than get the newest gear that’s available. However, The temptation to get the newest shiniest gear, is with most of us.
your video quality is so good
Thank you, I appreciate it
Zen bivy isn’t that overpriced tbh. As long as you don’t get the most expensive quilt.
Well done sir!
Thank you!
Who in their right mind would ever say rude things to a Canadian?! Satan? 😂I have polar tech from a major retailer bought for 20$...never thought it was something special. I love in because it's thin and still warm..had no clue i had a " luxury " item for every day use...peasant that I am 😂
I only get irritated with "budget" lists that are like "This budget tent that's only $8,000!" o.O
I got an even better tip for the first one, just dont buy down. youre paying for compressibility. So what if it takes up a little more space, id rather use more space in my pack than dollars out of my pocket
Where are you at 9:35? Is that BC??
I can’t remember exactly, it’s along ice fields Parkway. so Alberta
@@dakotacoburn Ohhh, Banff, eh? That place is on my list :)
you can pry my zen bivy from my cozy warm dead hands. The light series is the sweet spot, the ultralight series is to expensive
I'm torn if i get the lanshan 1 pro or xmid 1 for a 6'0 guy. I like the one pole setup and price of the lanshan, but am worried about the ntylon sag everyone talks about. Is it that bad?
I personally haven’t used the lanshan pro 1, but I liked my pro 2. That being said, if it rains over night, my foot box is touching the sidewalls(I’m 6’5 though).
Have a look at dans comment on this video, the guys customers service is unreal. Without me asking, he looked up my address and sent me a repair kit for xmid. That fact alone would make my decision
All the RUclips backpackers that get sponsored have all this super premium gear given to them... So that's what they push.. if you use their link then they get paid... It's impossible to compare to them. I hike and have a good time for 1/4 the cost!
I'm glad you are not on the " you gotta get this!" band wagon. great video.
This is all true but there's a a big BUT that also needs considering.
Do NOT buy anything that's TOO cheap. A premium price often means better durability (in your pad case, at least backed by a great warranty.)
The other issue I found that was far more important than weight was pack volume. Lighter gear usually means smaller volume. But regardless, I found myself running out of pack space with gear, and anything else I felt like I wanted I needed space for. You're right, the gains are marginal when you go ultra premium, but for gear you plan to use for years and that you also plan to trust out in the wilderness with no one else around, spend enough to be comfortable and secure instead of trying to save another $15
I’ve honestly found that not to be the case with backpacking gear. The best of the best, which is the lightest (excluding mountaineering/hunting packs&tents) isn’t going to be the most reliable gear. Think of it like a Ferrari vs a Toyota.
@@dakotacoburn that's why I very specifically mentioned the warranty on your thermarest. In lieu of quality when things are delicate, you get good warranty. If you have gear from unreliable brands that don't honour warranty, you're sctewes
I found that if I am reasonable with the temps and weather, I don't have to spend a lot. Granted I'm not through hiking.
That’s most people though! I’ve only ever met a handful of people who’ve ever actually done a thru hike
I live in New Zealand and Macpac does not sell its fleeces for $60NZD. They are all at least twice as much. Would love to know where you are getting your prices so I can buy at those ones.😂Agree with all your comments though. Especially regarding the Zenbivy bed.
Sorry you misunderstood me, $60usd. I picked up the Nitro in February, and it looks like I got lucky when I picked it up for 107nzd 😅 considering it’s 180 now
@@dakotacoburn sorry you are totally correct I did misunderstand you. My apologies. Keep up the good work.
Do you have a lighter pack of what great you usually use?
I have a packwizard, I made it in January, couple small changes www.packwizard.com/s/HdU1Ha4
I’m guilty of buying high end gear and basically hardly use it. I’ve got far too much kit. Scotlands a wet place so a lot of my kit is risky
I have to laugh at so many of the “ultralight “ vids. I’m willing to wager that very few of them have ever hauled for big wall climbs.
Nice video
Thank you!
You’re doing great. Your channel is going to get up there. Keep it up.
Thanks, I’m having a blast making these videos!
I really liked your video thank you for sharing this perspective. This is not a dig at you at all, but as someone hard of hearing sometimes it’s hard to understand what you are saying and auto subtitles are crap. That being said I just found your channel and probably just need to keep watching to get used to your accent ;) Thanks again
I look at tent cost like this if I stay a week in a mediocre hotel it’s the same cost as the tent , but with the tent I can get a lot more value out of it than the cost of a hotel stay for a week.
That’s actually a great of a breaking down the cost. Makes thru hiking seem cheap hahaha
@@dakotacoburn it sure does
Where is the evidence for the claim that higher fill power down wears down (no pun intended) quicker?
I did some searches a few months ago and found no evidence at all. Only some articles saying that it's all just rumors.
Good vid, I was just think about this subject the other day. The outdoors has become increasingly gentrified, overpriced, and more of a fashion show to flex on other people or look good on IG which seems to have only got worse since covid. I understand throwing down some cash for a quality items but a lot of items I've seen being sold seem more like overengineered gimmicks made of expensive fabric that are sold for sake of sucking people in who don't know better or have more money than brains.
I understand the focus on kit by youtubers as thats what probably attracts the most views, and I do enjoy seeing new items or new takes on existing items, but I do have to roll my eyes when I see things like $60 packliner when a thick garbage bag is just as good and weighs more or less the same (if you're a weight wheenie).
The gentrification of the outdoors and the looking down on people who don't have the gucciest stuff is probably my biggest gripe with the outdoors community I have (followed only behind the nerd who make being outdoorsy their whole personality).
Thanks Connor! A great example of that is goretex, it’s everything you said to a tea.
A $60 pack liner actually makes sense to me if it was a true dry bag liner. Not one made out of dcf, I wouldn’t trust the seems in that setting.
I don't and will never use down or DCF. There is no reason for that expense.
I love it when people ball out on gear; they’re supporting the cottage companies we love and that money goes towards improving the technology. Also, people carrying lighter gear can theoretically hike farther and will reduce impact in the first mile from the trailhead where the fat noobs camp.
If the noobs become ultra light they’ll fine us.
99% of the thorough, field-tested reviews from the big channels are reviewing gear they didn't pay $0.01 for. I love those videos, but they're massively biased -- the reviewers have no skin in the game, so it's easy to love the good and tolerate the bad. You'll also notice that they'll review a piece of gear, rave about how awesome it is, and then, in the next 9 months of videos, you never again see that piece of gear with them on trail. So, it was so awesome that you decided to never take it with you again?
So, the big channels are helpful and I'm glad they have access to gear to try and review on my behalf. But, there are some big, big limitations of those channels.
I’ve fallen for it. I don’t blame the vendors or the RUclipsrs - they are both using the system and probably making inroads against the larger gear companies and media outlets. They seem to be making a living, although it is at the expense of a lot of individuals that end up with more and more expensive gear than they need to get out. (Speaking for myself).
The industry is tough and I feel for the cottage companies that don’t want or can’t blast the internet with sponsored give away videos. It’s not the best products that succeed, but those that are well marketed. Old News!
This is the only video from you I have viewed. It doesn't sound like you script your videos and it kinda shows. It was very difficult for me to understand what you were saying, mainly because you were speaking fast and not enunciating your words well. A scripted video would help with that. Anyway, just thought I would throw out this unsolicited advice. Hope you take it in the spirit it was offered. I like the subject of the4 video, but the presentation caused me issues. Take care.
Very, very informative! Though, please talk a little slower. 🙄
0.75 speed unc
Thanks! Noted
Thank tou for your video ! You are right about the influence RUclips has on consuming more.
I thought wrongly the most light and technical gear out would lure the crowd and would actually help lower the cost of more ancient / less technical gear. It did in some extend, but the huge engagement into hiking and outdoor activities has boomed and prices went up a lot on everything related ! I actually did a video on what I use. I love to see people getting hikes done with stuff they had on hand or even build themselves !