Yes but there's very frozen snow that doesn't stick to itself very well and is all in its frozen state, and then there is spring snow that is super wet and heavy and some of it is in its liquid state and sucks! You should know this Mr. Wisconsin 😜 hope you stayed warm and had a blast though!
Love winter camping! So many more positives, no bugs, no sweating, no heat, no humidity, no worries about bringing what ever kind of food, it will stay cold! I would rather winter camp than summer camp lol! Great load out!
Sorry I'm late to the party. Sweating can be a problem, and so can humidity. And yes, food will stay cold, but it might also freeze. I've had some problems with my water freezing on winter trips, where I've had to heat it up before I was able to drink it. Fine if you're in camp, but problematic when you're walking. You usually also need more and and heavier gear, which will make your backpack more heavy. Summer camping and winter camping each have their own positives and negatives :) ... with that said, it is so nice to be free of the bugs in the winter!
@@Zebokdk its easier to keep food from freezing in the winter than keep food going bad in summer. You can wrap it in your extra layers wich you arent using while walking anyway. You also can throw warm water bottle in to the bag. For water you use thermos or just heat it up before leaving camp.
Cool video and setup, Devin. Great information plus gear explosion too! I thought for a minute I was rubbing off you with all the gear you brought! LOL. That is neat that Dan came to go out with you. Pretty awesome. Take care.
I just picked up your ventus and tushar, as well as some other gear of yours. Loving them so far! I'll be doing a review on my channel soon! I'm looking forward to getting the oblivion as well!
Staying warm. Yeah, I didn't do that this weekend. It was nice as I hit the trail wearing a ball cap and opossum glove liners. On top of the mountain I realized I left my winter gloves and wool hat in my truck. Wind-chill had to be messing zero Fahrenheit. A mistake I never make because I live and die by checklists. I set camp early to get warm. Yesterday morning was brutal hiking out. My fingers still hurt. Staying warm is important. But, I do love my winter sleep system and am looking forward to my next trip.
What comprises your winter sleep system. Mine is an XTherm air mattress, & a Western Mountaineering Antelope (5º) Sleeping bag with GWS outer & a small Sea to Summit pillow. Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada
@@azclaimjumper Outdoor Vitals 1/8" pad under either a Big Agnes Q something or another (R value 4+) or the Exped Ultra 7R (R value 7+) depending on ground temps, and a UGQ zero degree quilt.
The relative humidity is much lower and the temps are consistently below freezing so you get pow. In NE you get “wet” snow. It melts on you, leaving you wet.
Glad to see ya with Dan! Love watching you guys. I'm sure you have lots of fun on the trail. Great video with great info ... as usual! Have a great January!!
RIGHT ON about carrying what you need to stay WARM & DRY. Goosefeet brand of Down booties are essential because they reduced the area around your feet to warm, no need to warm the entire foot box of a sleeping bag. When you buy a pair, be sure to pay a few extra bucks & get them 100% overfilled. Shaking my head in disbelief that anyone would pack the weight of a chair on a winter backpacking adventure. I like that you include Buff Headgear which can be configured into a full face Balaclava is needed/wanted. Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada.
I still bring a water filter if I'm going for a multi-night trip. It's a tradeoff between fuel weight and the filter weight. You need to boil water for a full minute to make it safe for drinking. I can melt snow and filter it for drinking purposes. Obviously for meal preparation, you will need to boil it.
@@BackcountryExposure thanks! Have you ever wrapped a neoprene sleeve around it in the winter to help keep it from freezing when it gets cold? I usually keep mine in my bag overnight but haven’t seen anyone wrap a sleeve around it once you take it out to keep it warm-ish.
I know there are some formulas out there to help figure that out. I personally feel there's variables to consider like humidity and campsite selection. With the Summerlite 32º and the Zenbivy 25º I estimate I'd be warm down to low teens. That would also be wearing thermal bottoms, a mid layer jacket, thick socks, a beanie, etc.
@@BackcountryExposure That's exactly the answer I'd hoped for, thanks! I doubt I'd ever camp in temps lower than the low teens anyway. I have almost exactly the combination you slept in, which is why I asked. I had not thought about doubling up on them before! I love the Zenbivy for summer in the alpine, but I'd take my 20 degree bag (I'm a cold sleeper) for colder nights; taking them both was a new concept!
I’m a big fan of OV gear as well, but I am on the fence regarding the Nova jacket. I have Feathered Friends down jackets that keep me wonderfully warm, but I generally backpack in the NW which has a lot of cold/wet weather. I tend to be cold in camp/sleep so a warm jacket is a must. Since OV has a pretty frustrating return policy (the cost one pays for a direct to consumer operation), I do not want to purchase the jacket only to discover that it is substandard to my bulky FF Helios. Can you offer any objective advice on the warmth/compressibility of the Nova UL in comparison to a high quality down winter jacket?
Very cool vid. but I don't understand why you don't want to use a 2 person tunnel tent, cook inside, get warm and enjoy nature! Tunnel tents in winter can offset your weight, you can carry other much lighter things! 😄 and get a lighter weight on all equipment in total !!!
Regarding cold weather cook systems…I don’t know how cold it gets in Utah but is the inverted canister performing ok? I have Whisperlight universal and I can use a canister inverted but due to extreme temps and need to melt snow for water typically I use liquid gas. Thoughts?
I find that if it's in the 20's or warmer the inverted canister does well enough. I also have a Whisperlite International and don't find the need to use it unless it gets really cold.
@@BackcountryExposure I hate carrying the big stove lol…although this year has been warm most winters we are chronically below 20. I was jealous to see all that deep powder! The ski resort I work at is struggling with the rain and warmer temps.
We unfortunately did not get the snow that was forecasted. We expected it, but it kind of skirted where we were at and came later in the weekend. Having a tent that can handle the snow load is super important for winter camping!
... Lantern with exposed glass is going to be a problem ... will have to begin checking campsites now for broken glass .... Better choice is UCO candle lantern ,, also glass , but confined to a collapsible body and candle is useful for other needs ...
Not sure exactly what you’re seeing. RUclips has updated some things lately, but I don’t have any kind of membership stuff turned on, and no plans to. I’ll look into trying to see what you’re seeing, but no, no membership.
@@BackcountryExposure. You put out a video that stated you had to be a member to watch. But didn’t include what or how to do that. Then again, maybe you were hacked.
@@BackcountryExposure you didn’t say it. When I selected your vlog as I normally do. That was the message that came up. So I never got to watch that vlog.
1. Science says snow is water and therefore is wet (did I just make that up? maybe) 2. That was crazy fun!
Yes but there's very frozen snow that doesn't stick to itself very well and is all in its frozen state, and then there is spring snow that is super wet and heavy and some of it is in its liquid state and sucks! You should know this Mr. Wisconsin 😜 hope you stayed warm and had a blast though!
Hey Dan, is that one of the new North Face tents?
Water is snow and therefore is dry
Snow is only about 10% water. So it's really just crispy air.
How heavy is a winter pack when it’s loaded up this way? Just curious. I’ve never been winter hiking
Love winter camping! So many more positives, no bugs, no sweating, no heat, no humidity, no worries about bringing what ever kind of food, it will stay cold! I would rather winter camp than summer camp lol! Great load out!
Sorry I'm late to the party. Sweating can be a problem, and so can humidity. And yes, food will stay cold, but it might also freeze. I've had some problems with my water freezing on winter trips, where I've had to heat it up before I was able to drink it. Fine if you're in camp, but problematic when you're walking. You usually also need more and and heavier gear, which will make your backpack more heavy.
Summer camping and winter camping each have their own positives and negatives :)
... with that said, it is so nice to be free of the bugs in the winter!
@@Zebokdk its easier to keep food from freezing in the winter than keep food going bad in summer. You can wrap it in your extra layers wich you arent using while walking anyway. You also can throw warm water bottle in to the bag.
For water you use thermos or just heat it up before leaving camp.
Cool video and setup, Devin. Great information plus gear explosion too! I thought for a minute I was rubbing off you with all the gear you brought! LOL. That is neat that Dan came to go out with you. Pretty awesome. Take care.
Thanks, Steve!
I bet this trip was epic! Also, great apparel lineup :) Your attention to detail in your gear is really impressive! I love your gear breakdowns
Ah thanks man! The Altitude and Vario go together so well! #chefskiss 👊🏻
I just picked up your ventus and tushar, as well as some other gear of yours. Loving them so far! I'll be doing a review on my channel soon! I'm looking forward to getting the oblivion as well!
All styled up and new gear to boot! Only thing missing is wind n snow for the duration!
I live in a tropical country and every year ,i go back to Europe for a month long winter hike.love it.going through the Alps next year!!!
Love the color of that tent. Doubling up quilts/bags has always been a hack i love. Especially where I live where the low temps are rare.
It's kind of obnoxious, but I like it too.
I like the color, but not for a tent😂
Staying warm. Yeah, I didn't do that this weekend. It was nice as I hit the trail wearing a ball cap and opossum glove liners. On top of the mountain I realized I left my winter gloves and wool hat in my truck. Wind-chill had to be messing zero Fahrenheit. A mistake I never make because I live and die by checklists. I set camp early to get warm. Yesterday morning was brutal hiking out. My fingers still hurt. Staying warm is important. But, I do love my winter sleep system and am looking forward to my next trip.
What comprises your winter sleep system. Mine is an XTherm air mattress, & a Western Mountaineering Antelope (5º) Sleeping bag with GWS outer & a small Sea to Summit pillow.
Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada
@@azclaimjumper Outdoor Vitals 1/8" pad under either a Big Agnes Q something or another (R value 4+) or the Exped Ultra 7R (R value 7+) depending on ground temps, and a UGQ zero degree quilt.
The relative humidity is much lower and the temps are consistently below freezing so you get pow. In NE you get “wet” snow. It melts on you, leaving you wet.
Great load out Devin. I agree with The Doghouse on many points of winter camping.
Glad to see ya with Dan! Love watching you guys. I'm sure you have lots of fun on the trail. Great video with great info ... as usual! Have a great January!!
RIGHT ON about carrying what you need to stay WARM & DRY.
Goosefeet brand of Down booties are essential because they reduced the area around your feet to warm, no need to warm the entire foot box of a sleeping bag. When you buy a pair, be sure to pay a few extra bucks & get them 100% overfilled.
Shaking my head in disbelief that anyone would pack the weight of a chair on a winter backpacking adventure.
I like that you include Buff Headgear which can be configured into a full face Balaclava is needed/wanted.
Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada.
Love the down socks! And yes, a chair is essential! ha ha
I definitely need to give winter camping a go. Thanks for sharing!
I'm going to need you to tell me more about that DIY pad! That looks pretty useful.
Will do sir!
Great tent! Even better to ride out a storm with the vestibule added on it!
I still bring a water filter if I'm going for a multi-night trip. It's a tradeoff between fuel weight and the filter weight. You need to boil water for a full minute to make it safe for drinking. I can melt snow and filter it for drinking purposes. Obviously for meal preparation, you will need to boil it.
What brand are the bags for your electronics?
Bags I’ve sewed myself. I have an Etsy shop where I sell them.
Backcountryexposure.Etsy.com
Nice kit, thank you for sharing 👍 Wishing you atb! 👍
That all great but one would have to put out at least a grand in winter gear to find out if they like it or not. Thanks for all your posts.
Yes and no... With some slight adjustments, you'd be able to take your 3 season gear and adapt it to work great for a winter trip.
that's some deep philosophy from Dan, pointing out the obvious.
I forget, why invert the canister?
In cold weather it puts the liquid gas straight to the valve so it feeds a lot better.
@@BackcountryExposure thanks! Have you ever wrapped a neoprene sleeve around it in the winter to help keep it from freezing when it gets cold? I usually keep mine in my bag overnight but haven’t seen anyone wrap a sleeve around it once you take it out to keep it warm-ish.
Can you estimate how low the temperature could be and you’d still sleep warm in that combination of Zenbivy over sleeping bag?
I know there are some formulas out there to help figure that out. I personally feel there's variables to consider like humidity and campsite selection. With the Summerlite 32º and the Zenbivy 25º I estimate I'd be warm down to low teens. That would also be wearing thermal bottoms, a mid layer jacket, thick socks, a beanie, etc.
@@BackcountryExposure That's exactly the answer I'd hoped for, thanks! I doubt I'd ever camp in temps lower than the low teens anyway. I have almost exactly the combination you slept in, which is why I asked. I had not thought about doubling up on them before! I love the Zenbivy for summer in the alpine, but I'd take my 20 degree bag (I'm a cold sleeper) for colder nights; taking them both was a new concept!
I’m a big fan of OV gear as well, but I am on the fence regarding the Nova jacket. I have Feathered Friends down jackets that keep me wonderfully warm, but I generally backpack in the NW which has a lot of cold/wet weather. I tend to be cold in camp/sleep so a warm jacket is a must. Since OV has a pretty frustrating return policy (the cost one pays for a direct to consumer operation), I do not want to purchase the jacket only to discover that it is substandard to my bulky FF Helios. Can you offer any objective advice on the warmth/compressibility of the Nova UL in comparison to a high quality down winter jacket?
Very cool vid. but I don't understand why you don't want to use a 2 person tunnel tent, cook inside, get warm and enjoy nature! Tunnel tents in winter can offset your weight, you can carry other much lighter things! 😄 and get a lighter weight on all equipment in total !!!
Regarding cold weather cook systems…I don’t know how cold it gets in Utah but is the inverted canister performing ok? I have Whisperlight universal and I can use a canister inverted but due to extreme temps and need to melt snow for water typically I use liquid gas. Thoughts?
Liquid Gas? Don't you mean you use Liquid fuel rather than gas in a canister?
I find that if it's in the 20's or warmer the inverted canister does well enough. I also have a Whisperlite International and don't find the need to use it unless it gets really cold.
@@azclaimjumper lol yea
@@BackcountryExposure I hate carrying the big stove lol…although this year has been warm most winters we are chronically below 20. I was jealous to see all that deep powder! The ski resort I work at is struggling with the rain and warmer temps.
Great video. Did you really get 18” that night? What’s it like dealing with that much snowfall while camping?
We unfortunately did not get the snow that was forecasted. We expected it, but it kind of skirted where we were at and came later in the weekend. Having a tent that can handle the snow load is super important for winter camping!
... Lantern with exposed glass is going to be a problem ... will have to begin checking campsites now for broken glass .... Better choice is UCO candle lantern ,, also glass , but confined to a collapsible body and candle is useful for other needs ...
Comes in a hard plastic case. Don’t really see it being an issue at all.
I do it because F summer and all the sweating 😂
I was planning on winter camping this year, but so far the SE Wisconsin weather has been uncooperative. This is somehow Backer’s fault.
Who is Dan Becker?
Some random guy I found off the street!
@@BackcountryExposure Dang, he seems pretty knowledgeable about backpacking. Wonder if he has considered starting a youtube channel
I prefer winter camping and heading out again in two weeks
Where do you poop in these conditions?
usually a WAG bag is the best and correct option. Or likely for an overnight trip, you can get away with not going at all.
Wow! That Hilight looks unusably short. Ridiculous.
5'11" and it's not a problem for me.
@GetUpTheMountains, maybe it's taller than I thought. I'm only 5'8" so that's fine for me. Thanks!
Ok, what is this membership BS? I’ve been following you for years yet to follow you I must be a member?
Not sure exactly what you’re seeing. RUclips has updated some things lately, but I don’t have any kind of membership stuff turned on, and no plans to. I’ll look into trying to see what you’re seeing, but no, no membership.
@@BackcountryExposure. You put out a video that stated you had to be a member to watch. But didn’t include what or how to do that. Then again, maybe you were hacked.
@@Wondering_Fireball I don’t recall ever saying that.
@@BackcountryExposure you didn’t say it. When I selected your vlog as I normally do. That was the message that came up. So I never got to watch that vlog.
@@Wondering_Fireball I’m gonna look into this more. RUclips updated some things and wonder if something toggled on automatically
How is it you guys all know one another😂
Ha ha! A lot of us RUclips guys end up getting to know each other and plans trips together.
I’m sorry, that you had too go to the bottom of the barrel and hike with Dan. My heart goes out to you.
Dan is genuinely a great person!
@@BackcountryExposure, I know but he defiantly love any kind of attention he can get! LMAO
you not sleep in night haha so you cheat to made video
You’re saying I didn’t sleep out there? 🙄🙄😂😂
@@BackcountryExposure yes
@@nonoi9987 ha ha okay. I 100% stayed the night. Not sure why you make an assumption that I didn’t.
You sound like your bought and paid for by the products your promoting. Not trust worthy to me. You must be 6' tall to be truly believable.
Ha ha ha! I have to be 6’ tall to be believable?! Really?
Winter camping...hard pass.