@@marvinleong5902aew has three good storylines better than anything else goong on raw and smckdown, mjf and adam cole plus devil stuff, wdge vs christian and swerve vs hangman
The biggest reason why AEW failed to take advantage of the animosity is because of a lack of professionalism and vision when it comes to The Bucks, Hangman and even TK. Seth may truly hate Punk, but he's not stupid when it comes to building a compelling storyline. AEW had a golden opportunity and now they get to watch what could have been, by watching it on WWE, all because of a lack of professionalism from talent and the person who should be a leader.
WWE reported 'better than expected' CM Punk merch sold at his debut, six figures. Absolutely crazy when you consider all of the backstage and in-ring talent AEW have just squandered.
Seth is so smart he knows he will make an amazing career, money and stardom by genuinely being angry with Punk. He is not going to let go of the golden goose.
I feel like the issue with calling that a "promo battle" is that the vibe I got is CM Punk was letting Seth Rollins get that off his chest then leave us wanting more.
I just wonder how stiff they'll be when they finally get booked in a match together. No doubt they'll make every shot look real, albeit safely, and serve up a few potatoes to each other in the process.
was so hyped when Rollins music hit while Punk was in the ring. To be fair to Punk he took it all on the chin and even apologised to the WWE fans, he could of smoked Rollins if he wanted to we all know it
Punk's media scrum was amazing to watch, even if it was real. If it was Vince, he would be thinking "that's money". He would find a way to build the real life animosity into a program and utilize it. The AEW culture is weird, they freaked out about a couple of backstage fights and a couple of rants. That happened all the time in wrestling, and a good booker knows how to use that to build programs. Tony literally had a great program fall into his lap and he chose to fire Punk for those dumb Bucks and Jack. If Vince did that, we would have no Austin, no HBK, no Bret, no Hogan.
Thank you. Love him or hate him Jim Cornette said how TK should if handled the Punk Perry incident. Basically pulled them into a room before Punks match, told Perry know your place and keep your mouth shut as Punks my big star and told Punk he can’t be stacking guys around and be respectful of the booker.
Bully is overthinking it…WWE designs their promos a certain way to tell a story. When Punk had his first promo, he had to cut it short and sweet, not give too much but leave you wanting to know more. When he went on smackdown he gave a continuation, named the bullets, and basically planned his next feuds. This past Monday, he closed a few chapters from the city he quit in to the city he chose his brand in and apologized to the fans. Seth who has been begging Punk for a match since 2019 came out to tie in a different element to their history. It’s not that Punk couldn’t reply to him, it’s just designed for him not to right now, we’re in December why should we get EVERYTHING right now ??
Am i the only one who felt like Punk was more just letting Seth have his say at the beginning over being in an intense promo battle? Maybe it was my imagination but it looked like Seth was trying to get a reaction and Punk wasn't biting and Rollins almost looked confused. It at least kinda plays into the Punk has changed narrative
Punk was letting Seth say what he had to say, he was calm and respectful and wasn't going to interrupt him. It's like Punk said, he gave him a free shot to disrespect him. Next Raw Punk might up the dial a bit and unload on Seth lol.
It felt like that way too, it seemed like he was letting his talk and get all his grievances out. At the same time, Seth was also using all his material in the process while Punk hasn't really came at him full force yet and it's only December lol.
Gotta love Bully’s take on what Tony has got to learn. Hopefully Tony sees the feud between Seth and Punk and people that hate Punk do so well during segments backstage. How it’s all just business and professional. Edit: Tony also could have learned when Punk and Vince had that contract signing on live tv.
Bully i think the issue with your scoring with this "promo battle" Punk really didnt participate, it was like he was wanting to see what Seth had to say, and was like nah nah not today kid.
Punk not participating IS participating. Punk giving very little reaction was Punk basically saying, Is that it kid? That's your best? You got it all out of your system now? It's the old saying less is more.
I think there’s a few thing going on with the AEW backstage problems. When Tony started AEW, he knew he needed the help of people who had more experience in the business than himself. He offered Jim Cornette a job. He made the Elite jobs as EVP’s to help him run things. The problem with that is the Elite had experience, but it was in the indies and running PWG. AEW is not the indies and it’s not PWG. There are 10’s if not hundred of millions dollars being spent to run that place. The success of AEW is highly contingent on ratings , ticket, and merch sales. The only butts they’ve had to put in seats are hardcore fans who like that type of product and style of wrestling. They never had to run weekly nationally aired television. They never had to be profitable under these circumstances. It’s a totally different animal. Everyone TK has put into power with experience running the kind of company they need to run to be successful have been disregarded by the talent because they are enabled to do so. This is what happened to JR. They think they have it all figured out and because it worked on a small scale, it’s gonna work on TV and they won’t hear otherwise. And instead of putting his foot down, TK folds. This how you end up losing CM Punk, but keep Jungle Boy who is not anywhere close to being the same level of talent or star. They just do the same things they did when no one was watching, and it’s not bringing in the audience they need to be successful. The hardcores will always be there, but when you’re spending the kind of money he’s spending you need more than that. I wish them the best but I’m doubtful things will change.
One day when CM Punk inducted into WWE HOF, Seth will be the one to induct him & both will laugh about the work they both build for the last 15 years since Seth time from NXT to Shield to WHC & Punk time from WWE to AEW & back
Seth was saying it clear enough on twitter last year and this year. That point punk was still in AEW and no one had known punk was going to end up back in wwe. I do think seth really doesn't like punk but seth is professional enough to work with punk.
I was so done with wwe months ago. Wasn’t excited for it anymore and didn’t care. Ever cm punk came back I can’t stop waiting for the next show whether it’s raw nxt or smackdown. Wwe feels different and exciting right now. Hope they keep it up.
I would love to see a "shaking hands" angle to their match at WrestleMania. There could be a very emotional moment at the end of the match with a "R.O.H." style handshake. 👏🏼
You gotta let punk and Seth go over basically what’s gonna be said but don’t let the other guy know exactly what’s coming so they can have natural reaction
9:00 "the haltered Punk had for the WWE" Guys, they fired him on his wedding day and the WWE doc took him to court which cost Punk a ton of money and time to defend. Are you surprised???
I don't think the fans will choose between Punk and Rollins. This feud will be like Cena vs Rock. The fans will be torn and chant for both during this feud even while the match is happening.
Great point made by Bully Ray: let the people decide who they want to cheer for. It's similar to the Rock/Hogan match at WM18, where they planned two different styles to the match depending on who the crowd cheered for. I just love how dynamic this all could be, story wise.
I gotta feeling punk is gonna turn heel eventually and prove rollins right I think that might be the direction there gonna go in but what a segment and it's segments you don't get too much off anymore you could feel the tension from the face off and Rollins cut one of his best promos in a long time and even punk doing the promo at the beginning tied up loose ends. The WWE are putting there foot on the gas slowly and these next 2-3 months till mania I'm hoping are gonna be really fun
Depends on how long Punk sticks around, if he's only going to do a 3 year contract like Edge did, he might stay face most of the time. Also depends on if he fights Roman and Paul goes back to Punk, then Punk would be a heel again. But honestly, I think it's best for Punk to stay as a tweener right now. He's a nice guy but he wont pull any punches when it's time to get down to business. When he's on the mic you will get the Punk who blasts you and outclasses you. When they're in the ring, it's not like Punk is going to cheat like a heel would.
I love these types of shows that break down wrestling.. I’d really love to see a wrestling show with a format of First Take -Undisputed type show .. Bully would definitely be on there
This was set up to get for Seth. Lets be clear that Punk would destroy Seth on the Mic. This was not a back and forth in the slightest. This was Seth stating his issues. When punk has his issue, that being the title is when we will have a true back and forth. Punk is gonna smoke him when they allow both guys to actually speak because last night punk didnt promo on Seth at all.
I was really happy when Seth starting talking and punk responded. Because i thought Seth was just gonna come out and just stare at Punk and thats its because thats what WWE usually would do. HHH knows what hes doing.
Punk had been trying to get back into WWE for years but Vince kept saying no. It wasn't until WWE saw a chance to stick it to AEW that they decided to bring him in
This is all great but honestly. Punk would kill Seth outside the ring due to his mma experience training with kickboxers, jiujitsu, and wrestlers… that’s a brutal training regiment and you can tell by Punk’s calm demeanor. That comes from martial arts and discipline So don’t be surprised if Punk outworks Seth in the match.
Reports are saying now that that promo between Seth and Punk was unscripted, they just went out and did it on the fly, they had bullet points they needed to get across but otherwise it was whatever they wanted to say (within network guidelines of course)
Excellent point & analogy in relation to Khan and Steinbrenner. Jerry Jones is currently in a "come to jesus" moment himself with the Cowboys on that same issue. JJ hasn't ran the day to day since at least 2013. Why? because he figured out he can't do it by himself. He went out and got his son & a 'quasi' GM in Will McClay and the Cowboys have had decent success ever since. When Khan does the same, AEW should rebound too.
@14:00 YO! Once again Bully nailed it. I noticed this right off the bat and kept saying to myself, "Is Punk sleepy?" "Does he having a hard time staying in character?" "Does Punk feel slightly uncomfortable?" Whatever it was, I seen Punk blinking and it bothered me. Seth was at 100% and Punk was at 95% and I love how Bully thinks. But... some would say Punk blinking could be him saying, "*yawn*... Seth you bore me" 😅
CM PUNK DIDN'T EVEN REALLY SAY ANYTHING AFTER SETH ROLLINS SAID WHAT HE SAID CAUSE IT WAS THE TRUTH BUT IF WE TALKING ABOUT WHO THE BEST ON THE MIC ITS CM PUNK
Seth 1, Punk 0? Well, no shit. That was the whole point. Punk wasn't supposed to clap back. It wasn't supposed to be a Promo Battle. It was Rollins' night to shine.
I'm probably the biggest CM Punk fan and of course Seth won, Punk let him win. The segment was built that way and only an idiot would think differently. Punk will probably go on to win the Rumble and THEN Punk will get his comeback and the feud will resume.
Bully Ray talked me into being wayyy more interested in this Rollins/Punk stuff than WWE has lol. Why wouldn't they put this guy on commentary and just let him talk
Unlike AEW, the WWE historically is better at turning real-life animosity into storylines while the wrestlers involved are professional enough to control their personal real-life animosity in control for them to create a great feud on TV where fans would watch in delight. Just one of the many examples is Matt Hary and Edge with Lita. WWE like Bully Ray said here is night and day on how professionalism is handled to maximize it to create real-life drama in wrestling.
Settle down. Rollins WAS NOT this inmovable object you described him as. Punk blinking told me, he wasn't buying what Rollins was selling. No matter what...that match going to be GOOD!!
You know when you're so angry, in a fight or any argument, and you genuinely don't like that person? you get so nervous that you threaten to cry. Not a cry of pain or anything like that but of such hatred in the situation. Seth had that look on his face, he looked like he was about to cry. It was scary and real... I'm looking forward to seeing how they will build this whole story between these two.
Also, the real story of Punk walking out on Cleveland adds a little hate from us old schoolers. I was a huge Punk fan, I was at that show to see him, and he dipped on us.
Well, I checked and Seth blinked at minute 9:44 of the segment (being the first one to do so) and Punk did so after. Also, Seth blinked at minutes 10:09, 10:33 and 10:43. Lost time of my life checking for this so i at least had to write it down
Listening to Bully is more educational than meltzer or any website pundits of wrestling media!! Bully, Dutch and Cornette are the ones I really listen and trust me they know the skill!!!
Someone else on RUclips said it... And they nailed it. Seth/Punk is this gen's Hogan/Warrior. Its gonna be fucking HUGE. And as a dude that was 13 at WM6? Lets fucking GO.
good call on the eye contact, i also don’t like when they do promos and they walk around talk with their hands towards the crowd. when they do it like that it’s more like they’re doing a performance as opposed to two men having a convo.
I was a little underwhelmed with Punk's response, but I tweeted this out right after the segment cause I really think Punk's promo should've went like this. "Look here you little sequin suit bitch... I know you hate me, not that hard to tell. But don't lie to these people, it's not cause I wasn't here. I remember there being 3 members of The Shield....you know, the thing that EYE made possible. Do you hate that other guy? No, you hate me for a simple reason. After being the good little soldier all these years, all they do is sing your SONG. After being away all these years, even when I wasn't here, they chant MY NAME. Get ready, the people are gonna stop singin very soon and here's why...I announce I'm participating in the Royal Rumble. Then I'm gonna make you hate me even more, cause I'm gonna send you back home to your MAN with your belt taken. Because SHE knows like they know, I'm CM Punk and I'm... *crowd says The Best In The World*
Punk was not fired from WWE. Even with whatever issues he had back then, they wanted to resign him. He is the one who left. I also always say after Hulk Hogan and Bret Hart returned to WWE, anyone can return no matter what. Hogan was testifying against Vince in the steroid trials and Bret knocked him out cold. Never heard Vince say he feared for his life when Hart knocked him out or when Hogan could've landed him in jail.
Slightly disagree, Seth is the "heel" in this feud, he isn't a heel himself, but in this feud he is. Simply because a face doesn't lose their cool and start screaming and trashing their opponent with insults. Punk was the face as he was calm, didn't interrupt Seth, let him say his bit, and was respectful.
Nah not all baby faces should be 1 dimensional good two shoes it’s more interesting when they aren’t perfect and show emotion. Seth can just be a face that hates Punk because he’s justified in his reasons. That doesn’t make him a bad guy.
@@billyblaine One dimensional? Humans are 3 dimensional....hehe. And we are arguing over scripted work....really now...what are we, 3? I never said anything about a goody two shoes. As I said, Seth is a face, but a heel against Punk. His actions with Punk are not that of a Face. It would be like the hero in a story being against killing, then one guy comes along and he has no problem killing that one character. You can't do that or you aren't the hero anymore. Which is actually NOT being one dimensional at all.
@@ItApproaches For one that’s a terrible analogy lmfao! By your logic Seth as a babyface should be against hating people because he’s a good guy when hating someone especially who you’re feuding with doesn’t make you the bad guy. Seth happens to be a babyface that hates a man that has dragged him and his HOME for years it’s really not that hard to see where he’s coming from. So why does that make him a “heel against Punk” you make no sense. His animosity towards him is valid and he has done no actions that makes him a heel. Showing anger and emotion isn’t something exclusive to heels obviously and that’s literally all he has done. But to you that makes him a heel against Punk yet if he didn’t express how he really felt and was just being the good babyface guy and said “welcome back CM Punk I’m the champ and this is Monday night Rollins” he would in fact be one-dimensional.
@@billyblaine No it's a solid analogy, you not agreeing with it doesn't nullify it, and analogy's aren't in varying degrees of quality either it works or it doesn't. You can hate someone, but you don't explode at them. We can argue till your face falls off if you want, but you lost this debate long before either of us were born. It's not that "I don't make any sense" it's that YOU don't understand my view, which is typical as humans are mentally retarded children with almost no brain activity but that's neither here nor there. You don't need to understand, you can just be a wrestling mark and or fanboy and waste away your life as a spec of dust, nothing wrong with that. You can't have a super heated passionate feud with two faces, doesn't work. Opposites are needed for conflict, one must be a face, one must be a heel. Otherwise you get a respectable match, like when Rey Mysterio fought HBK back in the day or Jeff Hardy vs John Morrison. You can clearly see when it's a face vs face, there is no tension. Unless you want to say Seth vs Punk is a Heel vs heel match in which case...ehh maybe. Which if that's not the case, that leaves the only other option logically, a face vs a heel. I'm not saying Seth went full on heel, I said this is a situational heel. He, as in , "Seth Freakin Rollins" isn't a heel character right now, I'm saying in terms of script writing and story telling, he IS a heel in this one feud, as it's not a face vs face, and it's not heel vs heel, so there for, it must be a heel vs face.
I liked the Nia/Becky Promo, and I found myself agreeing with everything NIA said. Bully isn't wrong. Seth did win the Promo, but because Punk didn't say much in rebuttal. Wait until they are officially feuding for the Title; Seth won't stand a chance, unless it's written for them to be equal. Especially if they're given the freedom to say what they want, without going over the edge. I get what Bully says about the blinking, but that's nothing to put too much stock into for real. Unless that's part of your Criteria for what moves you.
The cool thing is I think every "smart" fan KNEW it would be Punk/Rollins but deep down we really wanted Punk/Reigns. With one promo....we're now all equally-if-not-nore excited for Punk/Rollins. THAT is the mark of a couple of pros.
Seths promo was good but because of all of his split personalities and weird bad acting it makes it harder to believe or connect with him. The blinking thing- seth actually blinked first and blinked at least four times so that points a bit redundant
This show is amazing and getting takes from a guy like bully with the credibility he has is awesome it is an absolute shame that there not over 100k subs and not the the number 1 wrestling show people need to stop listening to bums and come listen to the real deal busted open
When Seth and Punk was staring each other while half of the crowd singing Seth's song and half of the crowd was chanting CM Punk. Goosebumps!
Triple H teaching Tony how to booked a feud mixed with real life animosity
@@marvinleong5902aew has three good storylines better than anything else goong on raw and smckdown, mjf and adam cole plus devil stuff, wdge vs christian and swerve vs hangman
It wasn't half and half bud... 80-20
@@christopherwilliams7905 it was half and half dont get so technical. Im enjoying this feud that we are gonna get and so should you.
@@marvinleong5902 just teaching him how to book in general lmao.
The biggest reason why AEW failed to take advantage of the animosity is because of a lack of professionalism and vision when it comes to The Bucks, Hangman and even TK. Seth may truly hate Punk, but he's not stupid when it comes to building a compelling storyline. AEW had a golden opportunity and now they get to watch what could have been, by watching it on WWE, all because of a lack of professionalism from talent and the person who should be a leader.
WWE reported 'better than expected' CM Punk merch sold at his debut, six figures. Absolutely crazy when you consider all of the backstage and in-ring talent AEW have just squandered.
Seth is so smart he knows he will make an amazing career, money and stardom by genuinely being angry with Punk. He is not going to let go of the golden goose.
Seth aren't stupid to blow up his first official Mania main event
This is likely to be Seth's biggest feud of his career.
Bret and Shawn hated each other but that made the feud one of the greatest ever!!. EVPs and Kenny Omega suck… AEW sucks.
I feel like the issue with calling that a "promo battle" is that the vibe I got is CM Punk was letting Seth Rollins get that off his chest then leave us wanting more.
agreed
these two are far from done with there playful banter but rollins got the best of him in that promo
Same facial expression he had when Eddie Kingston was ranting at him aswell.
That's exactly what it was
I just wonder how stiff they'll be when they finally get booked in a match together. No doubt they'll make every shot look real, albeit safely, and serve up a few potatoes to each other in the process.
was so hyped when Rollins music hit while Punk was in the ring. To be fair to Punk he took it all on the chin and even apologised to the WWE fans, he could of smoked Rollins if he wanted to we all know it
I’m sure he’s goina lol
He wanted for Rollins have His moment
I went from IDGIF to can’t wait to see this in about 3 minutes.
He’s biding his time to let the animosity cook.
Man... y'all underestimate Rollins on the mic. He's going to surprise y'all on this feud.
Punk's media scrum was amazing to watch, even if it was real. If it was Vince, he would be thinking "that's money". He would find a way to build the real life animosity into a program and utilize it. The AEW culture is weird, they freaked out about a couple of backstage fights and a couple of rants. That happened all the time in wrestling, and a good booker knows how to use that to build programs. Tony literally had a great program fall into his lap and he chose to fire Punk for those dumb Bucks and Jack. If Vince did that, we would have no Austin, no HBK, no Bret, no Hogan.
Vince can and will find a way to make money from everything and anything
Enough said! 👍🏻💯
Thank you. Love him or hate him Jim Cornette said how TK should if handled the Punk Perry incident. Basically pulled them into a room before Punks match, told Perry know your place and keep your mouth shut as Punks my big star and told Punk he can’t be stacking guys around and be respectful of the booker.
@@adamlennard1828Vince got Edge and Matt Hardy in a program right after the Lita stuff. He knew how to make money programs out of real life issues.
Yeah, Vince would have turned that scrum into a storyline and people would be eating it up.
Bully is overthinking it…WWE designs their promos a certain way to tell a story.
When Punk had his first promo, he had to cut it short and sweet, not give too much but leave you wanting to know more.
When he went on smackdown he gave a continuation, named the bullets, and basically planned his next feuds.
This past Monday, he closed a few chapters from the city he quit in to the city he chose his brand in and apologized to the fans.
Seth who has been begging Punk for a match since 2019 came out to tie in a different element to their history. It’s not that Punk couldn’t reply to him, it’s just designed for him not to right now, we’re in December why should we get EVERYTHING right now ??
you got to remember something bully is an idiot.
I view it similarly
Yea , it’s just beggining. The promos these are gonna give us Will me special . But it’s not gonna heat up until after Punk wins the Rumble
Agreed! Punk's blinking told me, he wasn't buying what Rollins was selling.
it's almost like their booker has a clue :)
Was absolutely a terrific promo.
Am i the only one who felt like Punk was more just letting Seth have his say at the beginning over being in an intense promo battle? Maybe it was my imagination but it looked like Seth was trying to get a reaction and Punk wasn't biting and Rollins almost looked confused. It at least kinda plays into the Punk has changed narrative
same, felt like punk held back
Saving his arsenal for when the real feud begins 😈
Punk was letting Seth say what he had to say, he was calm and respectful and wasn't going to interrupt him. It's like Punk said, he gave him a free shot to disrespect him. Next Raw Punk might up the dial a bit and unload on Seth lol.
Different people writing punk's promos.
It felt like that way too, it seemed like he was letting his talk and get all his grievances out. At the same time, Seth was also using all his material in the process while Punk hasn't really came at him full force yet and it's only December lol.
Punk played it off well that it was convincing that he was willing to give Rollins a free shot
Gotta love Bully’s take on what Tony has got to learn. Hopefully Tony sees the feud between Seth and Punk and people that hate Punk do so well during segments backstage. How it’s all just business and professional.
Edit: Tony also could have learned when Punk and Vince had that contract signing on live tv.
Good point. Say what you want about Vince but he would do almost anything to draw money lol!
Bully i think the issue with your scoring with this "promo battle" Punk really didnt participate, it was like he was wanting to see what Seth had to say, and was like nah nah not today kid.
Punk not participating IS participating. Punk giving very little reaction was Punk basically saying, Is that it kid? That's your best? You got it all out of your system now? It's the old saying less is more.
seth also got his free shot 🔥
@@oxnyz1883 Seth is lucky CM Punk didn’t knock him out in the middle of the ring for disrespecting him like that
Seths promo was almost word for word, the same promo he did against Cody...
I think there’s a few thing going on with the AEW backstage problems. When Tony started AEW, he knew he needed the help of people who had more experience in the business than himself. He offered Jim Cornette a job. He made the Elite jobs as EVP’s to help him run things. The problem with that is the Elite had experience, but it was in the indies and running PWG. AEW is not the indies and it’s not PWG. There are 10’s if not hundred of millions dollars being spent to run that place. The success of AEW is highly contingent on ratings , ticket, and merch sales. The only butts they’ve had to put in seats are hardcore fans who like that type of product and style of wrestling. They never had to run weekly nationally aired television. They never had to be profitable under these circumstances. It’s a totally different animal. Everyone TK has put into power with experience running the kind of company they need to run to be successful have been disregarded by the talent because they are enabled to do so. This is what happened to JR. They think they have it all figured out and because it worked on a small scale, it’s gonna work on TV and they won’t hear otherwise. And instead of putting his foot down, TK folds. This how you end up losing CM Punk, but keep Jungle Boy who is not anywhere close to being the same level of talent or star. They just do the same things they did when no one was watching, and it’s not bringing in the audience they need to be successful. The hardcores will always be there, but when you’re spending the kind of money he’s spending you need more than that. I wish them the best but I’m doubtful things will change.
I'd love to find out Seth doesn't have any bad feelings towards Punk and he's just working us
probably
I feel that's the case, but who knows?
if you've listened to his interviews he doesn't like the guy but is for making up and leaving the past in the past.
One day when CM Punk inducted into WWE HOF, Seth will be the one to induct him & both will laugh about the work they both build for the last 15 years since Seth time from NXT to Shield to WHC & Punk time from WWE to AEW & back
Seth was saying it clear enough on twitter last year and this year. That point punk was still in AEW and no one had known punk was going to end up back in wwe. I do think seth really doesn't like punk but seth is professional enough to work with punk.
I love when Bully said that Tony Khan is "not a booker, he's a matchmaker." Perfect description
I was at the show Monday, it was a great show and the crowd was hot right from jump. Great Raw!
That was the best promo I have ever seen of Seth Rollins. He dropped that goofiness and was a straight shooter. Punk is making him better.
I get bret and hbk vibes from this punk and seth rivalry
This is absolutely great commentary from Bully! I would love to hear this perspective live. Wow
I was so done with wwe months ago. Wasn’t excited for it anymore and didn’t care. Ever cm punk came back I can’t stop waiting for the next show whether it’s raw nxt or smackdown. Wwe feels different and exciting right now. Hope they keep it up.
I would love to see a "shaking hands" angle to their match at WrestleMania. There could be a very emotional moment at the end of the match with a "R.O.H." style handshake. 👏🏼
You gotta let punk and Seth go over basically what’s gonna be said but don’t let the other guy know exactly what’s coming so they can have natural reaction
9:00 "the haltered Punk had for the WWE"
Guys, they fired him on his wedding day and the WWE doc took him to court which cost Punk a ton of money and time to defend. Are you surprised???
Vince apologize Cmpunk too😯
I don't think the fans will choose between Punk and Rollins.
This feud will be like Cena vs Rock.
The fans will be torn and chant for both during this feud even while the match is happening.
Great point made by Bully Ray: let the people decide who they want to cheer for. It's similar to the Rock/Hogan match at WM18, where they planned two different styles to the match depending on who the crowd cheered for. I just love how dynamic this all could be, story wise.
I gotta feeling punk is gonna turn heel eventually and prove rollins right I think that might be the direction there gonna go in but what a segment and it's segments you don't get too much off anymore you could feel the tension from the face off and Rollins cut one of his best promos in a long time and even punk doing the promo at the beginning tied up loose ends. The WWE are putting there foot on the gas slowly and these next 2-3 months till mania I'm hoping are gonna be really fun
Depends on how long Punk sticks around, if he's only going to do a 3 year contract like Edge did, he might stay face most of the time. Also depends on if he fights Roman and Paul goes back to Punk, then Punk would be a heel again. But honestly, I think it's best for Punk to stay as a tweener right now. He's a nice guy but he wont pull any punches when it's time to get down to business. When he's on the mic you will get the Punk who blasts you and outclasses you. When they're in the ring, it's not like Punk is going to cheat like a heel would.
I think Bully just said something that clicked, when Punk said he isn't here to make friends, he's here to make money, was a subtle shot at Tony Kahn
Raw can finally justify 3 hours lol
See, all RAW was missing was more fire
I'm a new subscirber to the channel and love it, I like daves passion and also the insight from the wrestles like Bully. Great work 👏
When Becky said “ your two knees couldn’t even stand up for her” I was like 😂(paraphrasing)
I love these types of shows that break down wrestling.. I’d really love to see a wrestling show with a format of First Take -Undisputed type show .. Bully would definitely be on there
I like listening to Bully Ray talk he's an amazing teacher when he talks I always listen
This was set up to get for Seth. Lets be clear that Punk would destroy Seth on the Mic. This was not a back and forth in the slightest. This was Seth stating his issues. When punk has his issue, that being the title is when we will have a true back and forth. Punk is gonna smoke him when they allow both guys to actually speak because last night punk didnt promo on Seth at all.
Aew's cast of characters lack of ability to do business, is WWE's golden egg. I am sitting back and watching this great movie play out in WWE
I was really happy when Seth starting talking and punk responded. Because i thought Seth was just gonna come out and just stare at Punk and thats its because thats what WWE usually would do. HHH knows what hes doing.
Punk had been trying to get back into WWE for years but Vince kept saying no. It wasn't until WWE saw a chance to stick it to AEW that they decided to bring him in
This is all great but honestly. Punk would kill Seth outside the ring due to his mma experience training with kickboxers, jiujitsu, and wrestlers… that’s a brutal training regiment and you can tell by Punk’s calm demeanor. That comes from martial arts and discipline
So don’t be surprised if Punk outworks Seth in the match.
LOOOOL!
Bully is so spot on with his takes. Always knew I loved this guy for good reason even as a kid. Lol
Reports are saying now that that promo between Seth and Punk was unscripted, they just went out and did it on the fly, they had bullet points they needed to get across but otherwise it was whatever they wanted to say (within network guidelines of course)
Love the show Dave ,Bully ,Mark, and Mickie , your all awesome.
Punk keep up with Seth... are you kidding? Punk is 10 levels above Seth.
I’ve never thought about the blinking that’s definitely something a wrestler would pick up on and definitely makes all the sense good call bully!
fav wresting podcast, keep it up and GET THE TABLES
Excellent point & analogy in relation to Khan and Steinbrenner.
Jerry Jones is currently in a "come to jesus" moment himself with the Cowboys on that same issue. JJ hasn't ran the day to day since at least 2013. Why? because he figured out he can't do it by himself. He went out and got his son & a 'quasi' GM in Will McClay and the Cowboys have had decent success ever since. When Khan does the same, AEW should rebound too.
Seth's promo was a mix of the hangman promo and the promo punk cut on raven. And I love it
Haters gonna hate, But WWE is just fire lately!
@14:00 YO! Once again Bully nailed it. I noticed this right off the bat and kept saying to myself, "Is Punk sleepy?" "Does he having a hard time staying in character?" "Does Punk feel slightly uncomfortable?" Whatever it was, I seen Punk blinking and it bothered me. Seth was at 100% and Punk was at 95% and I love how Bully thinks. But... some would say Punk blinking could be him saying, "*yawn*... Seth you bore me" 😅
Seth blew his whole load. No ammo left
That’s what’s gonna be interesting. What ammo is Punk gonna give him going forward
He can bring up his old gimmick and failures and roman being better @@samcarter565
“You Mutha Sucka” lol 😂
CM PUNK DIDN'T EVEN REALLY SAY ANYTHING AFTER SETH ROLLINS SAID WHAT HE SAID CAUSE IT WAS THE TRUTH BUT IF WE TALKING ABOUT WHO THE BEST ON THE MIC ITS CM PUNK
Seth 1, Punk 0? Well, no shit. That was the whole point. Punk wasn't supposed to clap back. It wasn't supposed to be a Promo Battle. It was Rollins' night to shine.
It was really not scripted. That will be a hell of a feud 😌😌😌
I'm probably the biggest CM Punk fan and of course Seth won, Punk let him win. The segment was built that way and only an idiot would think differently.
Punk will probably go on to win the Rumble and THEN Punk will get his comeback and the feud will resume.
Punk needs to say to seth “i did more in my 9 years in wwe than you have your entire career” to counter seths angle
Bully Ray talked me into being wayyy more interested in this Rollins/Punk stuff than WWE has lol. Why wouldn't they put this guy on commentary and just let him talk
Unlike AEW, the WWE historically is better at turning real-life animosity into storylines while the wrestlers involved are professional enough to control their personal real-life animosity in control for them to create a great feud on TV where fans would watch in delight. Just one of the many examples is Matt Hary and Edge with Lita. WWE like Bully Ray said here is night and day on how professionalism is handled to maximize it to create real-life drama in wrestling.
Good conversation guys!!
Great promo by SR... and because he hasn't had a good promo in forever, it's an automatic win
Settle down. Rollins WAS NOT this inmovable object you described him as. Punk blinking told me, he wasn't buying what Rollins was selling.
No matter what...that match going to be GOOD!!
You know when you're so angry, in a fight or any argument, and you genuinely don't like that person? you get so nervous that you threaten to cry. Not a cry of pain or anything like that but of such hatred in the situation. Seth had that look on his face, he looked like he was about to cry. It was scary and real... I'm looking forward to seeing how they will build this whole story between these two.
It still blows my mind how the 'Booker of the year' fumbled a ready made story because his EVPs are children and he's no boss.
Also, the real story of Punk walking out on Cleveland adds a little hate from us old schoolers. I was a huge Punk fan, I was at that show to see him, and he dipped on us.
Well, I checked and Seth blinked at minute 9:44 of the segment (being the first one to do so) and Punk did so after. Also, Seth blinked at minutes 10:09, 10:33 and 10:43. Lost time of my life checking for this so i at least had to write it down
Man wwe has THE power couple and it shows because for me Seth and Beckys segments was the best promos on raw and made me soo excited for both matches
I've came back to wwe after a 20 yr hiatus. I love it
Rhea is still (yet) to pin Nia.
I'd like to comment that R Truth is the greatest.
Listening to Bully is more educational than meltzer or any website pundits of wrestling media!!
Bully, Dutch and Cornette are the ones I really listen and trust me they know the skill!!!
I usually do not listen to this podcast, but this video is spot on about aew & im an aew fan
Dave and Bully. Fantastic show.
can you imagine if you have hbk,hhh,edge,flair buba ,taz and paul in the creative room sheeeesh!!!!!
Someone else on RUclips said it... And they nailed it. Seth/Punk is this gen's Hogan/Warrior. Its gonna be fucking HUGE. And as a dude that was 13 at WM6? Lets fucking GO.
Busted open alone is bigger than aew! Wwe does enough to feed your topics!
good call on the eye contact, i also don’t like when they do promos and they walk around talk with their hands towards the crowd. when they do it like that it’s more like they’re doing a performance as opposed to two men having a convo.
I was a little underwhelmed with Punk's response, but I tweeted this out right after the segment cause I really think Punk's promo should've went like this.
"Look here you little sequin suit bitch... I know you hate me, not that hard to tell. But don't lie to these people, it's not cause I wasn't here. I remember there being 3 members of The Shield....you know, the thing that EYE made possible. Do you hate that other guy?
No, you hate me for a simple reason. After being the good little soldier all these years, all they do is sing your SONG. After being away all these years, even when I wasn't here, they chant MY NAME.
Get ready, the people are gonna stop singin very soon and here's why...I announce I'm participating in the Royal Rumble. Then I'm gonna make you hate me even more, cause I'm gonna send you back home to your MAN with your belt taken. Because SHE knows like they know, I'm CM Punk and I'm...
*crowd says The Best In The World*
Zzzzzz
@@TL2354 Zzzzesty Rollins needed the man to come back so his character can finally be interesting and taken seriously again.
I like it, just think they've got a longer term plan. I liked the way they did it
This is why I like bully ray. Tell it like it is.
I also noticed Seth and punk both barely blinked and did not stop looking at each other dead pan in the face.
Is Tony Khan watching? This is how you book CM PUNK
The reality aspect of a story is exactly why Triple H is perfect running things
Thoso 2 segments were so exciting. Finally wwe is getting very interesting
Punk was not fired from WWE. Even with whatever issues he had back then, they wanted to resign him. He is the one who left. I also always say after Hulk Hogan and Bret Hart returned to WWE, anyone can return no matter what. Hogan was testifying against Vince in the steroid trials and Bret knocked him out cold. Never heard Vince say he feared for his life when Hart knocked him out or when Hogan could've landed him in jail.
Look at Punk facial expressions when he kept saying he’s a WWE superstar and he’s a professional wrestler 😂
I like the idea was to let Seth go off so that the fued has more time to build
love that bully basically had the take as jim cornette in terms of squashing beef... its just "we're trying to make money...stop fucking it up"
Why does dave have a life sized heat of cody behind him..... Lol, codys got that dashing look lol.
11:56 DON'T DARE MODERATE BULLY RAY AGAIN DAMN
Slightly disagree, Seth is the "heel" in this feud, he isn't a heel himself, but in this feud he is. Simply because a face doesn't lose their cool and start screaming and trashing their opponent with insults. Punk was the face as he was calm, didn't interrupt Seth, let him say his bit, and was respectful.
Nah not all baby faces should be 1 dimensional good two shoes it’s more interesting when they aren’t perfect and show emotion. Seth can just be a face that hates Punk because he’s justified in his reasons. That doesn’t make him a bad guy.
Yes they do that's how the attitude started stone cold did it but was a face.
@@billyblaine One dimensional? Humans are 3 dimensional....hehe. And we are arguing over scripted work....really now...what are we, 3? I never said anything about a goody two shoes. As I said, Seth is a face, but a heel against Punk. His actions with Punk are not that of a Face. It would be like the hero in a story being against killing, then one guy comes along and he has no problem killing that one character. You can't do that or you aren't the hero anymore. Which is actually NOT being one dimensional at all.
@@ItApproaches For one that’s a terrible analogy lmfao! By your logic Seth as a babyface should be against hating people because he’s a good guy when hating someone especially who you’re feuding with doesn’t make you the bad guy. Seth happens to be a babyface that hates a man that has dragged him and his HOME for years it’s really not that hard to see where he’s coming from. So why does that make him a “heel against Punk” you make no sense. His animosity towards him is valid and he has done no actions that makes him a heel. Showing anger and emotion isn’t something exclusive to heels obviously and that’s literally all he has done. But to you that makes him a heel against Punk yet if he didn’t express how he really felt and was just being the good babyface guy and said “welcome back CM Punk I’m the champ and this is Monday night Rollins” he would in fact be one-dimensional.
@@billyblaine No it's a solid analogy, you not agreeing with it doesn't nullify it, and analogy's aren't in varying degrees of quality either it works or it doesn't. You can hate someone, but you don't explode at them. We can argue till your face falls off if you want, but you lost this debate long before either of us were born.
It's not that "I don't make any sense" it's that YOU don't understand my view, which is typical as humans are mentally retarded children with almost no brain activity but that's neither here nor there. You don't need to understand, you can just be a wrestling mark and or fanboy and waste away your life as a spec of dust, nothing wrong with that.
You can't have a super heated passionate feud with two faces, doesn't work. Opposites are needed for conflict, one must be a face, one must be a heel. Otherwise you get a respectable match, like when Rey Mysterio fought HBK back in the day or Jeff Hardy vs John Morrison. You can clearly see when it's a face vs face, there is no tension. Unless you want to say Seth vs Punk is a Heel vs heel match in which case...ehh maybe. Which if that's not the case, that leaves the only other option logically, a face vs a heel. I'm not saying Seth went full on heel, I said this is a situational heel. He, as in , "Seth Freakin Rollins" isn't a heel character right now, I'm saying in terms of script writing and story telling, he IS a heel in this one feud, as it's not a face vs face, and it's not heel vs heel, so there for, it must be a heel vs face.
I liked the Nia/Becky Promo, and I found myself agreeing with everything NIA said. Bully isn't wrong. Seth did win the Promo, but because Punk didn't say much in rebuttal. Wait until they are officially feuding for the Title; Seth won't stand a chance, unless it's written for them to be equal. Especially if they're given the freedom to say what they want, without going over the edge. I get what Bully says about the blinking, but that's nothing to put too much stock into for real. Unless that's part of your Criteria for what moves you.
The cool thing is I think every "smart" fan KNEW it would be Punk/Rollins but deep down we really wanted Punk/Reigns.
With one promo....we're now all equally-if-not-nore excited for Punk/Rollins. THAT is the mark of a couple of pros.
Seths promo was good but because of all of his split personalities and weird bad acting it makes it harder to believe or connect with him. The blinking thing- seth actually blinked first and blinked at least four times so that points a bit redundant
Nah I'm a HUGE CM Punk fan and I saw the tweet and kept scrolling it wasn't that deep lol the promo was set up like that by design
This show is amazing and getting takes from a guy like bully with the credibility he has is awesome it is an absolute shame that there not over 100k subs and not the the number 1 wrestling show people need to stop listening to bums and come listen to the real deal busted open
Bully is amazing. His analysis is magnificent.
CM Punk blinked 4 times cause he didn't care what Seth Rollins had to say
Wwe definitely pulled the trigger on good writing this year , and signing good talent , every wrestler is shining , 👌🏾
this co host bloke is hilarious :D just blagging his way along with every point
Ive always loved punk and never been a rollins fan AT ALL, Buuuut Bully is absolutely right. Rollins 1 Punk 0.... for now
Rollins/Punk/WWE are about to show us what Page/Punk/AEW should have done, complete troll job, fantastic.
The SOUND WENT OUT!!!
Great content but I respectfully disagree with Seth winning the promo bc he sounded too much like Hangman and it wasn’t as good
I agree with Bully about the Seth character