the level of self awareness really sets you apart I think from the masses. I appreciate that warning at the beginning, tons of people don’t consider these kinds of vids to be opinions and it’s good to remind them. Thanks for the vid!
Far Harbor was $24.99 USD -You had an engaging story with Nick Valentine and DiMa -21 unique side quests -3 content focused factions -15 unique weapons -About 10+ unique armors/outfits -New magazines for skills -1 Unique companion -new perks -50 unique locations -New settlement items/locations Impact on the base game Shattered Space doesn't even have half of that and it's $30 USD.....
I was very excited for SS and after finishing this morning, I can say it was not Far Harbor level. It's closer to Automatron in value The biggest surprise for me was that it DOESN'T have NEW Ship parts??!! Ummm hello???! The SS main story was good, but feel off at the last mission, felt rushed and the player agency was a mute point with the final decision, even if you are a Starborn there are no unique interactions/dialogues in SS or Vanilla when the NG+ is their gimmick...
TES 6 is doomed man. The one time they couldve shown us what handcrafted BGS exploration looks like in the 2020s and this is what they have to show for it? Fuck
I haven’t played it but that is the impression I got playing the base game. House Varuun was such a big presence in so much of the dialogue and story, but then there’s like one quest in their embassy and absolutely nothing else in vanilla Starfield. I was immediately skeptical. I was thinking - oh ok, you carved out this faction quest line to sell it back to us later as dlc, didn’t you, Todd? BGS used to do fantastic DLCs. You could never mistake shivering isles, dawnguard, far harbor or even some of the lesser ones like broken steel or The Pitt for sections of the base game carved up and sold back to us later. They were clearly labors of love that offered tons of new gear, contebt, quests, new assets, new powers, etc. Shattered space sounds like they’re doubling down on the “minimum viable product” concept, and it definitely should have been in the base game or at worst, 15$ not 30$.
Speaking from personal experience here; that person is probably just following their heart & making the best of whatever hand life has dealt them. If it's not what seems right to you well don't worry. It's not your life.
You guys are very philosophical...Bethesda just sucks and always has, other game developers have advanced so much that you can't ignore it anymore, it's too clear now.
@@Imperiallife3349 whilst i 100% agree with what you just said, what i'm pointing out is that all this talk of Bethesda "going down the wrong path", is very subjective.
My opinion: I’m devastated by Starfield as a whole…i’ve played over 100hrs, finished the Faction Quests hoping it would get more interesting…it didn’t. I haven’t finished the base game. Choices have no consequences, the loot is terrible, the planets are pretty much the same. The vehicle they finally added is terrible…it’s like it has bald tyres. No traction. The game was so overhyped. Nobody ever asked for 1000 boring planets. I couldn’t wait for it to be released. I’ve never been so disappointed in a game in my whole life. 😢
@frankhemstra634 This is the same person that would say 'you havent played it long enough to come to a conclusion on it' if someone plays only a few hours of starfield and hates it lmao. Are we forgetting that when starfield came out the main defence that all of the starfield fans were using was that 'the game gets good after x hours' IGN literally said it started to get good after the 60 hour mark. What do you expect lol. I've played many games all the way through that I just didnt enjoy, but did so because I wanted to enjoy them but couldnt, I'd like to enjoy starfield, but i dont, because it is a bad game which failed to learn from the criticisms of skyrim and fo4 and instead completely removed their best features while putting an emphasis on the terrible new features and those other game's weakest 😂😂
Agreed, My hype level was through the roof after waiting like 5 years and was so let down 😑 and after the criticism it received I hoped they tried hard with the dlc and when the trailer never showed a new weapon I knew it was going to be another let down 🫤 feels like they kinda gave up really even trying. Now I don’t know whether to even get excited for ES6
See im im a different boat. Im 122 hours in and I havrnt gotten further than Tau Ceti system, im in love with the game and genuinely enjoy the exploration. I havent even done 6 main quests and with over 100 hours im only level 15
The main issue is BGS thinks they are still on the top of the mountain. They didnt learn anything from great RPGs that released after Skyrim and shook up the space - witcher 3, baldurs gate 3, elden ring, cyberpunk, Red Dead 2, etc. Their game design philosophy is stuck in a time capsule and Todd is too established and successful to bend. I'm seriously worried about elder scrolls 6.
I’m not even gonna buy ES6. I know it’s gonna be trash. I decided to hop onto the Wayward Realms train instead. Devs are super active in their discord, answer a ton of questions, and early access drops next year. That’ll fulfill my power fantasy and tbh it’ll probably release before ES6
@@TheCrimsonOne508 Anyone that still has faith after all of this is huffing some Premium grade copium. Honestly, the chickens are coming home to roost for Bethesda and frankly the rest of the industry. These terrible games, these terrible dlc's, these terrible practices. This is the industry they deserve.
I'll still play ES6. I love the world, I love the lore, I will always want to see where they take it next. Starfield had so much potential. If they'd worked on it and added more content and consequence for another year or two before starting on the DLC it could've been great.
Took Andreja with me... what a disappointment that was, I feel like one of my biggest problems with Bethesda games is the lack of acknowledgment of events around the player.
I just finished Baldur's Gate 3 last week and it blew my mind that every single companion had something unique and interesting/entertaining to say about almost everything that happens in the game whether big or small. I can 100% understand why BG3 was the first game to win GOTY at all of the 5 major game awards shows last year. Unlike Starfield, it's a masterpiece of an RPG.
I was foolish enough to think, secretly when you brought Andreja it was going to be a homecoming for her, everyone recognizing her and the story would be centered around her and you’re just the side character helping her along….nope.
What do you think this is, an actual rpg? Nah BGS decided a decade ago they wanted to make mediocre action games instead good RPGs. Every quest is just “go to the place and shoot some dudes”.
I went back to Cyberpunk. Starfield feels like I’m doing chores. Cyberpunk is very immersive and I find myself just walking around and enjoying the world
It’s funny cuz earlier I was doing chores for some lady in Starfield in a mission called “the courier”. I had to deliver random packages to random people and it bugged twice lol
The people hoping Starfield will have a phantom liberty moment need to realise that Cyberpunk was a good game prior to Phantom liberty but was held back by bugs. Starfield just isn't a good game.
@@Originalchili weird take especially considering dlcs like heart of stone,blood and wine,phantom liberty and even bethesda dlc's like far harbor exist ?
The fact that it took them a year to create that is mindblowing. Now I understand why starfield feels so empty. It seems like the people who work more than one hour a day left the company after Skyrim
The fact this $30 DLC is barely 50% of what other AAA companies these days are offering is the problem. It took them 1 year to release a dlc that probably could have been in the base game.
Could this be another case of "toxic positivity" from a studio where nobody takes criticism or listens to fan feedback? Bethesda needs to make big changes for Elder Scrolls 6 or they are cooked 🤷
It's ran by bean counters, Todd is their lackey. It's clear that financial success has led him to give up whatever spark of passion he used to have to push out a minimal viable product for a price that is offensive to long time fans of the company. It's laughable that they've still got a bunch of consoomers still purchasing this mediocre tripe.
People complain that starfield lacks ground exploration. They make a DLC only about ground exploration. People complain that quests lacks consequences. They make a main questline that every quest has a permanent consequence, (besides the first one and cave part) and makes possible to pick up the most douchebag decision from any bethesda game, blocking you from a lot of content. They are listening a lot, the DLC is a direct answer to those comments. Those people need to praise this, but they won't
The fact they claimed it's "like Far Harbor" is damning in the sense it suggests they have no idea why fans liked Far Harbor. People liked Far Harbor because it had an interesting and compelling moral conundrum. The entire DLC is basically truth vs. peace: would you rather uphold the truth, even if this can spark a conflict, or try to maintain a peace that's built on a lie - and infact - a peace that isn't even being sustained by humans...? It wasn't exploration, an eerie setting or anything like that. It was just a brief glimpse of a lead designer for that DLC who understood what Fallout was supposed to be about. (a lead designer who left the company after the completion of Starfield, btw)
You mean Bethesda do not understand why the games they created where successful? Almost like they thought they were doing a good vs evil story in Far Harbor, but failed to understand that they had created a murky and gray conundrum instead. Maybe it was incompetence with them failing to communicate correctly that created the conundrum in the first place?
@@Cloud_Seeker Which is totally possible. I actually bought Far Harbor late because they were selling it as the locals vs. the Children of Atom, which sounds very black and white since the Children of Atom are just nuts. But the actual story is less about them and more about how they're an undeniable problem, and there's two proposed solutions: one acknowledging the truth of the matter, which will demand a war where the Children of Atom get wiped out, and another where we go for peace at any cost, but the cost is that the peace is built on a lie. Still, it's crazy to think about how Bethesda *made these* and has been sitting on these titles for years, and potentially still hasn't figured out WHY people liked them.
@@Longknife I think it is because they do not think much about what they are doing. When people point out continuity problems, they mock and laugh at them for caring to much. They are used to just throw an idea on the players and expect to be praised over it. That time is however over now. What is strange is that Bethesda didn't look at New Vegas and tried to understand why people liked it. What people liked about New Vegas was that all factions are well considered. They all have their reasons to be involved in the conflict. However all of them are seriously flawed. You can easily point out why all of them are bad, but you can also point out why they are good in their own way. You also have the personal backstories and quests around the companions that make you care about each one of them. But what did Bethesda learn from it? To have personal companion quests, but not all of them get one. And that there needs to be four factions, but no real conflict around each one of them. I don't think it is a mystery why Bethesda is unable to understand why people like them. They refuse to listen to people that do, and they are to incompetent to understand what they are making.
Now compare Cyberpunks launch vs Starfields OOOF We forget that Cyberpunk that wasnt developed during a pandemic was pulled for the PS store because of how shit it was.
Matty I appreciate your authenticity and honesty, having just recently interviewed Todd most creators would sugar coat their criticisms but I really appreciate your ability to be objective while wearing your heart on your sleeve.
“I appreciate your authenticity and honesty” fuck me you are a Matty ass licker maybe stop doing that and make an opinion for yourself because if this is the guy you agree with then your fucked lol he is a joke always has been and always will be a hypocrite someone has to say it because you all look up to him like a fucking cult leader
It's not the budget, it's the incentive structure. Produce the bare minimum and then sell the new weapons, quests and companions that players were first hoping to get in the base game (and then were hoping to get in the dlc), as separate individual mtx. This is why so many people were dead set against the Creation Club, it's not a matter of "don't like mtx, then don't buy them" it's the way that mtx affect the core product. Why wow players with loads of new content when you can just drip feed them that content and extract tons more money in the process.
Well, people are buying it, aren't they... So I don't see what's wrong with that... It keeps us hooked. Moreover had this thought ever crossed your thick skull that for some people the amount Bethesda charges for these expansions feel negligible compared to how much fun it is for us... So yeah, if you don't like Bethesda or its games, why come to youtube just to criticize something which you don't want to play. You guys are pathetic.😂
10:23 ...I'll keep saying what I always say when I hear these comments... Bethesda CAN NOT make another Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 3, or Fallout 4. The team has all either retired, resigned, or passed away. Bethesda Game Studios employees just voted to unionize. Bethesda today is not Bethesda of the past... and we all need to stop hoping, or expecting them to "return to form" ...they cannot return to form. It's literally impossible. The golden age of BGS has passed. I breaks my heart... and I'm sure it breaks your heart, but we all need to stop expecting things to change which cannot change.
Yup. It’s over. I’ve moved on and i’m not looking back. Never buying another Bethesda game again no matter what. My heart broke when I tried playing Starfield last year. Bethesda nowbis dead to me.
The team was replaced with DEI agendas. You can see it all over the place in Starfield. It's probably my biggest hate of Starfield. Because it's such an amazing game outside of the agenda.
If we stop criticizing things that deserve to be criticized, the things we love will continue to degenerate. The people that defend unacceptable products or companies are their own worst enemies. This game was unacceptable.
The thing is that all of us have different tastes. The things you may hate about a game are the things I might love, and vice versa. But when overall quality declines, when there is sloppy oversight and mistakes that repeatedly occur, things like sophomoric dialogue, Quest lines that don't make sense and aren't fulfilling... Those are the things to me that can destroy and otherwise good game. unfortunately, Starfield is an example of all of the above.
Division 2 is unacceptable as well, 6 years and people still happy to play the same content. But say anything about that and you’re a hater , (Double standards by lots of people). Bethesda, StarField is far from perfect, but they are trying something new, haven’t seen many other game Developers take on the challenge of an open world 3rd person Space exploration game. (Apart from the Companies that have one character only with zero choice ).
Ok going to chip in, Why is there Crimson Fleet with bases all over Jemison, why have the UC allowed them to settle . Only because our character travels to Shattered space system, doesn’t mean other Factions couldn’t have traveled there with their own ships.
@@Nyrok007Nobody is saying for you not to love it. If it scratches the itch for you, that's fine. But defending it, is very different from enjoying it.
And remember we got Fallout London this year. A fan-made complete passion project that practically feels like an entire independently made Fallout game instead of an expansion. And this mod was phenomenally well revived by the community and public. I honestly believe Bethesda is physically incapable of delivering a worth wild product or experience like they use to. Bethesda's best days are clearly behind them.
And it's a shame too because a lot of their issues stem from their awful priorities when it comes to game design. They choose to focus on the wrong things, they strip away classic RPG mechanics like in Fallout 4 or TES titles, or they set their scope way too wide like with Starfield. If Starfield didn't have 1000 planets for the sake of saying it did, and instead focused on one solar system like the Outer Worlds it would be far better.
@@JacobG2801 I think the problem runs deeper than having had 1000 planets. Clearly they didn't put much energy into those planets. Which leads me to think that Bethesda is currently stuck with a bunch of unimaginative and or burnt out people who really just don't care at this point.
Not going to lie, as soon as you had no CHOICE but to join House Va'ruun before you could even start, I wasnt sold. Didnt finish, uninstalled and downloaded Fallout London. Maybe I'll come back when SF gets its CP 2077 2.0 moment.
Will Shen wrote Far Harbor and he was a high profile loss for Bethesda just prior to Starfield release and his talent was missed! It feels as though Bethesda made this DLC out of obligation rather than ambition. This does not bode well for TES6.
@@cybersamovar that’s what I said. Will Shen was not around to write this DLC content. Will wrote the story for Starfield but left shortly before it launched.
Bethesda just does whatever the heck they want. They obviously dont care about fans or customers. Selling product simply off name alone. Now the name is tarnished. They need complete restructure
@chilbiyito "You create your own stories." Todd has been saying this line since skyrim, its like he's trying to gaslight fans so they don't criticize the garbage writing.
I miss finding unique items at the end of dungeons. This procedural stat based loot just ain't it. This DLC was 100% supposed to be part of the base game. As someone who makes BGS content on their channel, I'm all around disappointed with the direction of this studio. They don't make RPG's anymore, they make action adventure games, and that hurts.
I agree with you about the performance and the price, but do you find it fair to compare phantom liberty to shattered space when phantom liberty released 3 years after cyberpunk 2077 released and shattered space was 1 year after Starfield released and that far Harbor was the second big expansion for Fallout 4 I mean it does track with how bethesda releases DLC and expansions the first is not really the banger but the second and even the third one is because Bethesda does take criticism and listen to their fans and build on previous DLC and expansions just look at the Rev-8 people were critical of land exploration and they added something for those people but yes the performance and price is unacceptable.
They've got a lot more cooking for the game im sure, & I agree, they do listen to fans, but I hope they're not listening to the fake "fans" just repeating tired bs. Matty is great because he speaks his mind, criticisms he offers are constructive, and tie directly to logical remedies. The few problems this game has can be remedied, considering how long Bethesda planned ahead to support this over the long haul, its totally possible, they just need to get some hype going again. The game has sold incredibly well, there are millions of players, & millions more potential players that would jump over if something piques their interest. All is not lost! Ad Astra!
I loaded in, found the space station, thought the atmosphere was dope, and within 15 mins a door for a quest was bugged and prevented me from moving on. Not gonna attempt it until shits fixed or might just drop game entirely. Update 12/4/24: Still haven't touched the game since, and I usually revisit games after several patches. Keep in mind I'm lv 107 and have put in a decent amount of time, the spark is just not there anymore. Im worried for the Fallout and Elder Scrolls series.....
Honestly the arrogance from Bethesda and Todd Howard is staggering. This entire game is everything that’s wrong, outdated tech, early access crap for a single player game on gamepass, overpriced DLC, poor story, boring gameplay. This is atrocious. Either go all out for ES6 or don’t bother, can’t believe they made us wait 14 years just so they can give us this awful game.
@@r.rodriguez4991 Obviously they were waiting on the classic bethesda formula game why are you intentionally playing the moron here and acting like you cant do other things while waiting?
@@kerrjardine7760Nope.. because you guys don't matter... There are many hardcore rich fans of Starfield, me included who will pay for whatever Bethesda release.... Because I love all Bethesda games.. and there are more people like me.... So frankly they are not bothered with poor sods who cannot afford or play their games in a decent rig, and just whine all along.... You guys don't matter. Get this in your thick heads. Losers. Lol😂😂😂
Starfield was a cobbled project after the main MMO side of Starfield was shuttered, this is why it is full of half finished MMO mechanics rather than Single player game mechanics. Hub worlds, the exploration is set up (Think MHW but rando gen areas) Even the economy is set up for MMO. Lack of a good story is also the biggest issue, because it was clearly tacked on after a majority of the game was built (Why it feels so messy) because they needed to convert a mostly storyless MMO into a story RPG single player experience. Also why there is no NPC schedule (barring few npcs which appear to have schedule retroactively added) and why NPC's that aren't just background filler just stand in one location, why no homes exist for the dozens of npcs that wander literally 24/7
i used to be a big fan of TES but now i no longer care & i'm glad bc im not gonna be disappointed anymore, i also found better games to play & be excited for. the current state of melee combat in BGS games is extremely shallow & outdated, if they want TES 6 to be a good game they are gonna need to do something about that.
CP77 took 2 years to get to a good state and another year for DLC. I can see major overhauls to starfield but i guess it's up to BGS if they want to commit.
The fact that you have to say you think the DLC didn't have the budget when the amount of money they've made is absurd is unacceptable, it tells me they don't care.
@themoddrummer4518 Into their pockets, they don't care anymore about gamers or games for that matter since it is apparent that they got lazy and lost passion for it.
It tell me you and Matty are retards and are ungrateful this was good content just enjoy what you get and stop moaning maybe complain about something that is actually bad and worth complaining about
Guys relax. All of the money is going to Elder Scrolls 6 and it will be the biggest game in 20 years.w We'll be throwing parades for Bethesda. Just wait
in Australia the game is $120 ON STEAM and $50 DLC, this is kind of unheard of in the PC realm, not even PHYSICAL DISKS that have resale value, are ever that price, unless it's starfield, i'm sure theres other games that have launched at $120 AUD but it's absolutely insane, thats a 20-30% increase in price over 99% of AAA launch prices. btw a year later the game is still the same price. 60 USD is 87 AUD btw, so most AAA games actually launch around $90 AUD
I think most of the "content" we gotten after release has just been cut content. All repackaged and sold to us for additional cost. Really if you want to buy Starfield today consider it to be a $100+ game if you want the (Im not sure i should call it this) full experience. Base game $70 SS $30 Creation club content (by Bethesda) $$$$$$
Props to you Matty for speaking what you think despite a lot of your fanbase not wanting to hear your genuine opinions. Yes, being always negative about everything is not good or healthy, but being positive no matter how disappointing or bad the games are is not right either.
@@tarheelpro87 He's the island of positivity in the sea of evil haters. Starfield isn't remotely as bad as the evil haters are trying to make it look. Yes, it's not great. Yes, it's the worst of the three BGS franchises. Yes, it delayed TES6 (which is objectively the worst thing about it). But it's not bad. It's mediocre at worst.
@@dasik84 agreed. Definitely not on par with Fallout or Elder Scrolls, but it suffices for me. If people don’t like it, that’s fine they have a right to. But I feel like a lot of Cyberpunk 2077 fanboys were just itching for a AAA RPG game to fail so they could tell people “SeE? CyBeRpUnK iSn’T tHaT bAd!” I can tell by the 10 million comparison videos of the two games. Besides that, I think a lot of the hate was people who already hate Bethesda, or console war fanboys. Then only a handful of negative opinions on the game are actually genuine.
Matty, you are one of the most genuine dudes on here. Just because you generally have good things to say about Bethesda stuff, doesn’t mean you can’t call out this bs when you see it. It’s so weird to see people mad at you for literally reviewing something. Love your content.
There sure seem to be a lot of people out there who think they are the only ones "playing the game right" because of their view on it. I think the first time (and maybe one time after) I was legit surprised religion was NOT put in a bad light and used for evil in a game plot was with Ashley Williams in Mass Effect 1. It actually fleshed out her character with interesting stories, views and opinions, and I wish we saw more come from it, maybe in the form of a questline to help her kind of find herself in the universe (I sound like a Trollywood actress, I know), but sadly, we ended up with what we got in ME2 and 3. Not that it was bad, just a little wanting, I'd say.
I'm a massive sci-fi person who generally doesn't enjoy Skyrim style fantasy games, but playing starfield actually get me into TES because of how lacking starfield is. The only thing that will make me download starfield again is a massive Dr Who overhaul
I really like Sci- fi and games that fictional but possible. My favorite types are games that are based in, the past but Grounded. KingDom Come, RDR2, Mafia, AC Black Flag, Ghost of tushmia and Far Cry Primal. I loved the idea of having a more grounded space game but starfield did not really give me what i wanted. The game design of Fallout 3 and Tes 3 to 5 is amazing but SF lacks that.
the Dragonborn failed and Alduin ate Bethesda game studios. They no longer exist. What you’re seeing is just a Microsoft ai generated game. TES 6 is DOA. 😢
Funny how you mentioned AI... Because Todd wants ES6 to be a "the ultimate fantasy life simulator" ChatGPT goes brrrrrrrrrrrrr quick Emil write that down!
I genuinely hope Bethesda steps back and changes their approach for ES6 because Starfield feels so... dated. Excited for Exodus as the next upcoming sci-fi RPG tho! Hopefully youll cover that too!
It’s egregious that this is $29.99 USD but still £29.99 GBP! This should be around £20-£22. May not seem huge, but even £22 is actually crazy for such a short expansion, let alone £30!
Agree Matty... Will Shen being gone from BGS has *severely* impacted their quest design, in the wrong direction. They should hire me, if they want true consequences in their quests, Id fix them up, lol.
hearing that he'd be lead quest designer was a breath of fresh air leading up to launch, only for him to announce his retirement after was like NOOO WHY Clearly it was an ominous bell for the state of bethesda as a company currently.
They are not only destroying todays hope but also any future hope for Elder Scrolls and Fallout. Time for new Studios to arise (Coming From someone that has Fallout 3 and Oblivion in its top 20 games of all time) I want them to make more great games but Fallout 4 was already showing a lot of cracks.
@@ashtondillard6906I can kinda see why, but I feel like they’re still not quite the same. I like Geralt of Rivia in Witcher 3, but I still would prefer to have at least a somewhat customizable character, like most Bethesda games. I just like making my own character appearance, background and build. There’s just some things CD Projekt Red does differently that I just don’t feel truly comfortable. But I plan on getting Cyberpunk 2077, I’ve heard good things so I’m looking forward to it.
@@ashtondillard6906 Good luck with that. They released a broken game and sure they fixed it but The Witcher 4 and Cyberpunk 2 will go woke and focus on the wrong things (yup I am predicting that) Big studios are drowning in people who are just there for the paycheck and their political opinions so all my hope is on indie and double AA for now
Agreed. 👍 There does seem to be lots on the horizon: CDPR are currently making a new Witcher trilogy (albeit new protagonist). Separately ex CDPR devs (called Rebel Wolves) are making a new dark RPG called 'Dawnwalker', which I’m very intrigued about. There is also the 'Exodus' space RPG which could be interesting. Ex BGS & Obsidian devs are making an RPG called ‘Wyrdsong'. A solo ex BGS dev is making ‘the Axis Unseen’ (although it’s a fantasy hunting game, not an RPG). & the original writers of the Elder Scrolls have formed a studio called Once Lost Games & are making an RPG called ‘the Wayward Realms’. 👀
Most of us naysayers are former Bethesda fans & life long RPG connoisseurs who would love nothing more than to be proven wrong, we just aren't pay pigs.
I'm a longtime Bethesda fan and spent over 200 hours playing Starfield after it launched. So many things felt incomplete, disconnected and inconsequential that it was hard to find the fun, and having a romance and relationships that just go away once you step through the unity made stop there. I already own this DLC but I'm never reinstalling the game, I gave it enough of my time but I'm glad if some people are enjoying it. Just watching streamers run down pedestrians in New Atlantis with the REV-8 tells me that something went really wrong with the direction of this game.
Those aren't bugs, Matty. They just didn't put in the work anyone would reasonably expect when it comes to Andreja, or any character, coming to the Varuun homeworld. They didn't even give this totally isolated, technologically advanced, hyper-religious society their own ship line(s) and barely even any unique architecture.
This was their prove it moment. Imo it failed. This did not mean they can't pull something out of their asses later but it raises the bar as to how much effort will be required
Matty, I‘m really positively surprised that you finally say something bad about a Bethesda game or a video game in general. In the past years it felt like you were bribed to only speak positive. Please keep the honesty from this video! 🎉 If you do that I can revert back to your channel. 👍💪
That ending felt unfinished too. not really a spoiler, but you get zero lore on their beliefs, what or who the great serpent is, why they are so extreme and so devoted etc. It's all cause '1 guy said he talked to a snake god 100 years ago'. And the most important missing lore bit, in the base game the pilgrim talked about in his logs how he fought some guy and died over and over (he went in the unity so he kept fighting him in different universes) and it was strongly implied the other person was the OJ varuun founder. I expected some sort of extended lore on the unity, the interactions the founder of the house had with the pilgrim, if the snake god is actually a starborn who started a cult. My friends and I were theory crafting so hard and considering the deep lore of TES, expected some GOOD STUFF here, and we got NOTHING. ZERO. NO EXPLANATION ABOUT ANYTHING. The DLC just randomly ends. No end of DLC loot, no explanation of how things work or happened. and NO CHOICES. It's the same ending no matter what. This was INSANELY BAD just from a lore perspective. In fallout 4, at least the crazies (children of atom) you have unexplained magical effects like radiation not hurting you, and a womens voice whispering to you. That could make you a believer even if it's not explained. In starfield? Do we have a snake talking to us, or some magical powers? Nope. Everything was SPOILERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR a science project gone wrong, experimenting with grav drive tech to move people into a state of limbo like existence. How does that make people worship a serpent god? There's nothing moving them to the cult. The children of atom, she (the voice) talks to you, guides you, makes you powerful somehow. It's enough to hook people into worshipping... I expected the first intro quest to at least let us interact with the snake god somehow during initiation. Or hear him talk to you or give you orders. There was NOTHING.
the tech itself is "magical", like the starborn powers. The Varuun experiment goes wrong exactly because they don't know how the grav drive exactly works. And... you can make science with magic, like in TES. The Grav Drive was only invented due to "magical thoughts"
I’m by no means a fan of the writing, but for the sake of fairness: the fact that Anasko kept his mind and that you can hear him was never explained (suggesting maybe the great serpent linked you and favored him… or something)
In the last area you find 3-4 audio logs scattered around on a desk. If you listen to them you find out the leader that started the whole "Great Serpent" thing was just a nerd that no one respected before and he got in an accident and had a mental break/fever dream after. He then doubled down on it saying it was real after a previous log made it clear he knew it wasn't, just to get respect.
@@MrWho302 Anasko wasn't the only one that survived and being able to hear him it is related to starborns being able to travel between dimensions, the vortex is something in between.
Agreed. It doesn't really offer anything amazing outside the story like Skyrim's 2 DLCs did. So $5-$10 is fair for Shattered Space. And I am speaking as someone who owns Shattered Space, and has actually completed its main story. (Still working on the Va'ruun side quests)
I don't know mate, I'm a fan of yours, and I think Starfield was a good game. But, for instance, I've found 2 new companions just by exploring a bit. I'd so far say it's a big improvement on the base game, and my experience seems very different to yous. I have to ask, did you just rush through it in order to get a review out asap for clicks?
That’s the problem with these reviews. They all seem rushed to be first to get a video out, and criticism and drama sells so of course Marty nitpicks things that aren’t problems (like the companion thing) Were the companions you found actually fleshed out companions with dialogue and stuff? I’m debating whether or not to get it but it’s so hard to get objective feedback of it
How much dialogue do these "companions" have? If it's not on the same level as Barrett, Andreja, Sarah, or Sam then it's not a companion - it's a crewmate. There are lots of throwaway crewmates you can recruit in the base game. But all you can do with them is use them as meat shields or have them work your outposts. They don't have any real tangible substantive content. They're just dumb bots that you have to pad out your team. Matty acknowledged he did find 2 such crewmates, but since they have hardly any real value beyond just being a warm body that can do menial labor, they don't really count as companions. At best, this DLC gives you a tiny bit of content for one of your pre-existing companions. Whereas far harbor had two companions just for the DLC that actually had a decent amount of dialogue and content surrounding them. That's the difference. And if you can't see that, then I don't know what to do for you. You're just willfully ignorant at that point.
@@prodbycxrlos Not as fully formed as the 'main' ones admittedly, but they are there. There's some other cool little surprises and rewards to be found though. Objectively, I'd say the initial asking price is a little steep. So my recommendation would be wait for a sale then pick it up.
Matt took the gloves off for his Starfield review too. Its sad we gamers all have to live in a world where Bethesda is what it is now. Sucks that I can't give them money for a quality RPG. I want to give you money Bethesda, but Im not parting ways with my dollars for the minimum viable product you call RPGs these days that release about once a decade.
My spin that I came away with is Shattered Space is intriguing, but not really exciting. It's vivid and palatable aesthetically, but not much else. You're 100% correct on character depth and dialogue. I brought Andreja along expecting some very active reaction, but there was little to none. A huge oversight.
I'd love to see more of what shattered space did. Long story missions on 1 planet. I just didn't like the Va'ruun planet because it was dark, forever night, and too much jagged terrain. I played through the story with no quicktravel or land vehicles. I wanted the full exploration experience.
As someone who really loves Starfield and can get pretty annoyed by "the haters," I really appreciated this take Matty. You have a real regard for the fact that BGS is a studio of real people with jobs and lives, you make a real point to assume the best of game developers, and even your stronger critiques still feel respectful. Thanks.
The thing that sucks most for me as a huge Bethesda fan, is I find myself TRYING to be excited and positive for starfield. I had heaps of fun in my first playthrough, but once you recognize the boring design it's just.. Over... Shattered Space dropped and I TRIED to be excited for it. I just wasn't. Then I popped it on with the intention of taking everything in, only to be met with conversations so dry and bland and boring. I started skipping dialogue then snapped out of my personal dilusion and turned the game off. I don't think ill ever finish it, but hopefully oneday... I want to? Edit: Currently re-downloading fallout 4
Same for me. I keep turning it off and then go do something else. Super disappointed. Super boring and painfully bland. Does anyone at BGS play any modern games? Anyone? Do they not compare themselves to other similar games? Are they not fans of games or just into smelling their own farts? Seems insane and incompetent to me. This feels so outdated and clunky. Characters are horrible and pointless. Big double thumbs down. They seem out of touch and full of hubris from success 15 years ago.
@@jaybirdjargon hahaha funny you say that. That was my first thought too. I'm starting fresh with some very basic mods like the unofficial patch. If that doesn't work I'm calling it a day haha
I often wonder if people forgot about the Shivering Isles from Oblivion. While I agree that Far Harbor was absolutely beautiful in its presentation and execution, the SI expansion holds a very special place in my heart.
Have you ever read Charlotte's web? Maddie did not invent the word, and the fact you were basically introduced to it through him is so disappointing. I have no faith left in the kids these days.
@@TheRealCaptainLavender If reading Charlotte’s Web is the epitome of being an adult, then I don’t know anymore 😂24 btw, Npc say it in morrowind, just thought u never know😂
I probably liked Starfield’s base game more than Matty. I really enjoyed it a lot while also pointing to things that needed improvement. Hearing this about Shattered Space is truly disappointing. I’m really hoping they can rally, as they’ve made games I’ve enjoyed for years and they should have the resources now to do so.
If possible, I’d play it for yourself. I liked the base game and really like this so far. Mileage may vary of course, but Matty is a critic at heart and plays that way. I just play the game and let it come to me, and it’s been rewarding
Even if I like the base game and this DLC, I still think it's important to hold Bethesda to task. It's been a little over a year since launch, and I'm kind of scratching my head as to how it took them that long to release the first DLC for their big new series. That, and the emphasis on "listening to feedback," makes me feel like they had to start the whole DLC over from scratch and scrap a lot of the work they'd already started.
@@TKAandMore I'm very doubtful much, if anything, changed with Shattered Space. You can see them working on Shattered Space in earlier videos. As much as I love Starfield and still enjoy playing it, there is a lot of room for improvement that can make it transcendent to me, and in that sense I agree BGS needs to have more of a fire lit under them, especially when compared to other RPGs. I understand that Starfield may do some things better than others, or have engine limitations, but they need to evolve faster. There's a lot of low hanging fruit in Starfield that can make the universe feel more immersive, like card games, gambling, billiards, actual realized lived in cities. But perhaps the most jarring is how non-dynamic the companions are, especially in comparison to other RPGs like BG3 and such. Love Starfield, but there's so much potential left on the table.
Don't become an angry ranter. That's all there is on the internet these days. It's not healthy. Your level-headedness is why i appreciate your content so much. Not saying you shouldn't give your honest opinion, but please don't go out of your way to be angry.
I do wish Andreja had more involvement since she’s my wife in game. The environment and story is pretty cool so far. I guess im just slow. and the length wouldnt be issue if it wasnt a year later and part of a $30 set. I got at launch with a steelbook patch early access and the 1000 creation club credits so wasnt as bad for me but it is odd that its been this long after release and this is all we got.
I played Starfield on release and enjoyed the gameplay & the ship building. Some of the faction and regular side quests are very good, but I found the companions and main story to be incredibly mediocre. I haven't bothered playing it again since & have no interest in playing Shattered Space, because it does nothing to address the reasons I stopped playing. I have watched a lets play of the expansion and the criticism which I think fits best is, Shattered Space feels like a main game faction question, cut out and sold separately. This would be the same as selling a Fallout 4 expansion, so you can join and play the faction quest for the Railroad instead of it being part of the main game. Bethesda game expansions always are new stories, unconnected to the main game for the most part, where you have a decent number of options. Dawnguard for Skyrim is a good example. You can ether choose to join the vampire hunters, rebuild their organization and take the fight to the Volkihar clan and other vampire threats across Skyrim. Or you can accept Vampire Lord Harkon's offer of incredible power and immortality, betraying the Dawnguard and seeking ever greater dark power for yourself. In Shattered Space you are forced to join the House Vurun faction... This would be ok if it was a standard faction quest, but its not sold as one. Yea, very disappointed. Also, seriously what is with developers having this entitled attitude of "we put so much passion and effort in to this" as if that entitles them to my money and praise? I loved all of Skyrim's expansions, I loved all of Fallout 4's dlcs. Eventhough Nuka World was disappointing if you don't play a raider. I see nothing to be excited for with Starfield until Bethesda pull their heads out of their rear ends, actually listen to the feedback and improve Starfield, instead of making a faction quest, by precedent set by every previous title ffs.
I am sincerely glad you enjoyed the original Starfield. The disappointment and frustration that you feel here? I felt that with the original game. I honeslty feel that Starfield was so unbelievably underdeveloped that I completely lost faith in Bethesda. Truly. It would take a BG3 level quality game that everyone agrees is ACTUALLY that to even make me considere another game. Thank god I have Gamepass so it cost me nothing, but I watched the positive and negative reviews and came away with some belief that I could find something interesting. Nope. After 2 hours I felt angry and bired and felt like this is from 20 years ago, and I am not referring to the graphics. Peole said I need to play deeper i to it, at least 10 hours. So I literally forced myself to get to 15 hours. Nope. Done. Possibly forever.
I loved the game, and it has a lot of hidden gems throughout it, especially with the unique NG+/multiverse system. Problem for me is it fails at a lot of game mechanics that made Skyrim great. Things I expected from BGS, but didn't get.
For me, BGS is The Elder Scrolls. Starfield is absolutely irrelevant. It's not great, it's not bad. But the most importantly, it's not TES 6. Which is the worst thing about it.
That opening bit about grifters and liars taking advantage of peoples' hate or hype is so on point. That being said, good for you for always trying to give honest takes on games despite modern pressures.
I feel like leaving the last - and to me - most interesting religion or path in the game to DLC is so scummy. I actually thought, given how the guy was ex-Varu'un or its founder or something, that his notes would lead us to the faction in the main quest "Unity", but noooo.
I've finished the DLC. Andreja said next to nothing and she was with me from start to finish. I'm in NG+10 so I'm in my final universe for this character so I'm kinda disappointed that the character who married her won't get her input
Bethesda should be delighted with a thoughtful critique, and take that feedback for making a better product. The diehard fans need to grow up, if you love something enough you should be able to take negative feedback and be truthful when the game is garbage.
Matty I know you probably won’t do this but you should review and show off a Skyrim mod list called LoreRim. It’s an auto install wabbajack with 3,200+ mods that completely transforms Skyrim into a lore friendly modernized and beautiful open world. It’s absolutely my favorite RPG at the moment. So many new quests, armor, weapons, world spaces and overhauls in general. Unfortunately it’s PC only of course but it’s just mind blowing how great the list is put together and literally a 150+ hours of getting that same feeling you have when you first played Skyrim! It would be worth your time❤️ very easy to install as well.
Matty, as someone who has only discovered you a few months ago, just wanted to say how much I appreciate how genuine and sincere your takes are. Really a breath of fresh air in, as you said, such a sea of grifters, toxic both in positivity and negativity.
My theory is that Shattered Space was never intended to be a DLC. The game was delayed several times. This part of the game just was not ready by launch, so they decided "Hey, let's hold this back and release it as a DLC so we can get the rest of the game out." They release the main game and continue to finish this up. They hear the criticism of the main game and do some tweaking and additions to make this feel a little more full. This would explain why, in the main game, the House of Va'ruun feels so half-baked, unfinished and incomplete. There was suppose to be more and it was all held back.
I would take this explanation, but why did they waited *an entire year!!!* to release it? That's insane. Especially since it's only 5 hours of content.
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the level of self awareness really sets you apart I think from the masses. I appreciate that warning at the beginning, tons of people don’t consider these kinds of vids to be opinions and it’s good to remind them. Thanks for the vid!
The same guy who gave Todd Howard softball questions post starfield?
@@travmakesbeats3372 “softball”
Also it’s impressive how he’s able to have a nice 1 on 1 conversation with Todd Howard, and then be very critical of BGS’s work
@@TheGreatOne-gw7xhAnd? He’s not unfairly positive about their games, they’re just his kind of games
@@TheGreatOne-gw7xh guy just ripped into Shattered Space, real fanboy behaviour there
Far Harbor was $24.99 USD
-You had an engaging story with Nick Valentine and DiMa
-21 unique side quests
-3 content focused factions
-15 unique weapons
-About 10+ unique armors/outfits
-New magazines for skills
-1 Unique companion
-new perks
-50 unique locations
-New settlement items/locations
Impact on the base game
Shattered Space doesn't even have half of that and it's $30 USD.....
I was very excited for SS and after finishing this morning, I can say it was not Far Harbor level. It's closer to Automatron in value
The biggest surprise for me was that it DOESN'T have NEW Ship parts??!!
Ummm hello???!
The SS main story was good, but feel off at the last mission, felt rushed and the player agency was a mute point with the final decision, even if you are a Starborn there are no unique interactions/dialogues in SS or Vanilla when the NG+ is their gimmick...
TES 6 is doomed man. The one time they couldve shown us what handcrafted BGS exploration looks like in the 2020s and this is what they have to show for it?
Fuck
Inflation.
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Not even half of that? Try not even a tenth of that. It's sad man
@@daizenmarcurioEven an ex Bethesda employee was saying on a podcast that ES6 will not live up to the hype(not exact quote) lol
Shattered Space seems like something that was supposed to be in the game at launch as a faction questline but was cut because it wasn't ready.
most of the Story of Starfield was retroactively added when the MMO side of the project shuttered and they needed to make a single player experience.
Play Warframe, run some raids, that is what Starfield feels like, but you're all alone.
@B1ueEyeS1y Bethesda actually wanted to release the game sooner but xbox preferred to delay it.
I think because it was on game pass they wanted to make their money back so did the early access and pre paid dlc on launch that was just cut content
I haven’t played it but that is the impression I got playing the base game. House Varuun was such a big presence in so much of the dialogue and story, but then there’s like one quest in their embassy and absolutely nothing else in vanilla Starfield. I was immediately skeptical. I was thinking - oh ok, you carved out this faction quest line to sell it back to us later as dlc, didn’t you, Todd?
BGS used to do fantastic DLCs. You could never mistake shivering isles, dawnguard, far harbor or even some of the lesser ones like broken steel or The Pitt for sections of the base game carved up and sold back to us later. They were clearly labors of love that offered tons of new gear, contebt, quests, new assets, new powers, etc. Shattered space sounds like they’re doubling down on the “minimum viable product” concept, and it definitely should have been in the base game or at worst, 15$ not 30$.
BGS is like that friend that you still care about but havent talked to in years and see them going down the wrong path in life. Feels bad man.
Speaking from personal experience here; that person is probably just following their heart & making the best of whatever hand life has dealt them.
If it's not what seems right to you well don't worry. It's not your life.
@@skyriminspacewe can all turn our situation around. In one away or another.
You guys are very philosophical...Bethesda just sucks and always has, other game developers have advanced so much that you can't ignore it anymore, it's too clear now.
Bethesda's best game was made by obsidian. They rely on modders to make their games playable
@@Imperiallife3349 whilst i 100% agree with what you just said, what i'm pointing out is that all this talk of Bethesda "going down the wrong path", is very subjective.
if THIS GUY doesn't like your stuff then it's truly well and joever for you, bethesda
The comment i was looking for. This guy softballs on everything and even he hates this shit😂
@@MightyGachiman I'm actually shocked by this review,man is ripping it up loool
@@TheGravityShifter oh come on anyone can see this guy is a Bethesda fan boy the way he interviewed Todd Howard haha
Even though he’s a Bethesda fanboy he’s pretty objective
@@cyberturkey77 and...?
My opinion: I’m devastated by Starfield as a whole…i’ve played over 100hrs, finished the Faction Quests hoping it would get more interesting…it didn’t. I haven’t finished the base game. Choices have no consequences, the loot is terrible, the planets are pretty much the same. The vehicle they finally added is terrible…it’s like it has bald tyres. No traction. The game was so overhyped. Nobody ever asked for 1000 boring planets. I couldn’t wait for it to be released. I’ve never been so disappointed in a game in my whole life. 😢
And it's gonna be the same with ES6, even worse.
Bethesda is dead
Why would you play a game for 100 hours if you don't like it.
@frankhemstra634 This is the same person that would say 'you havent played it long enough to come to a conclusion on it' if someone plays only a few hours of starfield and hates it lmao. Are we forgetting that when starfield came out the main defence that all of the starfield fans were using was that 'the game gets good after x hours' IGN literally said it started to get good after the 60 hour mark. What do you expect lol. I've played many games all the way through that I just didnt enjoy, but did so because I wanted to enjoy them but couldnt, I'd like to enjoy starfield, but i dont, because it is a bad game which failed to learn from the criticisms of skyrim and fo4 and instead completely removed their best features while putting an emphasis on the terrible new features and those other game's weakest 😂😂
Agreed, My hype level was through the roof after waiting like 5 years and was so let down 😑 and after the criticism it received I hoped they tried hard with the dlc and when the trailer never showed a new weapon I knew it was going to be another let down 🫤 feels like they kinda gave up really even trying. Now I don’t know whether to even get excited for ES6
See im im a different boat. Im 122 hours in and I havrnt gotten further than Tau Ceti system, im in love with the game and genuinely enjoy the exploration. I havent even done 6 main quests and with over 100 hours im only level 15
The main issue is BGS thinks they are still on the top of the mountain. They didnt learn anything from great RPGs that released after Skyrim and shook up the space - witcher 3, baldurs gate 3, elden ring, cyberpunk, Red Dead 2, etc. Their game design philosophy is stuck in a time capsule and Todd is too established and successful to bend. I'm seriously worried about elder scrolls 6.
I’m not even gonna buy ES6. I know it’s gonna be trash. I decided to hop onto the Wayward Realms train instead. Devs are super active in their discord, answer a ton of questions, and early access drops next year. That’ll fulfill my power fantasy and tbh it’ll probably release before ES6
@@TheCrimsonOne508 Anyone that still has faith after all of this is huffing some Premium grade copium.
Honestly, the chickens are coming home to roost for Bethesda and frankly the rest of the industry. These terrible games, these terrible dlc's, these terrible practices. This is the industry they deserve.
Bro snuck in RDR2
RDR2 isn't an RPG and New Vegas already shown how to design an eternally lasting RPG inside Beth's own gamedesign framework. Too bad!
I'll still play ES6. I love the world, I love the lore, I will always want to see where they take it next. Starfield had so much potential. If they'd worked on it and added more content and consequence for another year or two before starting on the DLC it could've been great.
Took Andreja with me... what a disappointment that was, I feel like one of my biggest problems with Bethesda games is the lack of acknowledgment of events around the player.
Sad considering Skyrim’s level of all that
I took her with me and I have serpents embrace I was sooo disappointed
I just finished Baldur's Gate 3 last week and it blew my mind that every single companion had something unique and interesting/entertaining to say about almost everything that happens in the game whether big or small.
I can 100% understand why BG3 was the first game to win GOTY at all of the 5 major game awards shows last year. Unlike Starfield, it's a masterpiece of an RPG.
She was who i romanced so yeah wish there was more with that
Fallout 4 wasn't like that. It feels very weird in Starfield.
I was foolish enough to think, secretly when you brought Andreja it was going to be a homecoming for her, everyone recognizing her and the story would be centered around her and you’re just the side character helping her along….nope.
YEES I was even specting to be introduced to the DLC through HER but NOOOOOOo you need to randomly find the station using gravdrive
Well that would have been really lame.
Why would they gate keep a DLC by making you pick a certain companion
What do you think this is, an actual rpg? Nah BGS decided a decade ago they wanted to make mediocre action games instead good RPGs. Every quest is just “go to the place and shoot some dudes”.
@@themikeyrussell69 How does Far Harbor start? Does any companion have unique dialogue in that DLC?
I went back to Cyberpunk. Starfield feels like I’m doing chores. Cyberpunk is very immersive and I find myself just walking around and enjoying the world
It’s funny cuz earlier I was doing chores for some lady in Starfield in a mission called “the courier”. I had to deliver random packages to random people and it bugged twice lol
@@martymcyourflysdown6872 Starfield is a sad joke
Bethesda games are indeed chores. I call the Scoreboard from FO76 the Choreboard, hah.
I got bored of Cyberpunk after the first mission. The only thing I liked was the voice acting for V.
@@TraceguyRune try it again, it’s really good. It’s different if you’re used to BGS games but it’s a good one
You hoped this was Bethesdas "Phantom Liberty-moment"? Oh you sweet summerchild.
Bethesda isn’t even capable of it.
@@nygeriunprence they aren't capable of making a boring dlc that doesn't fit the game at all?
Lol had same reaction
The people hoping Starfield will have a phantom liberty moment need to realise that Cyberpunk was a good game prior to Phantom liberty but was held back by bugs. Starfield just isn't a good game.
Lmao. You praising a company that lied to its fans blatantly? Ok.
This expansion felt like deleted content sold as DLC. It was just another faction.
I agree they even had the name for the dlc when game launched
If it's deleted content it would be nice to see impact of your choices on Unity. But we don't have even that
So essentially every dlc by every game?
@@Originalchili weird take especially considering dlcs like heart of stone,blood and wine,phantom liberty and even bethesda dlc's like far harbor exist ?
charging that much for deleted content. not surprising
It feels like they dont care.
The fact that it took them a year to create that is mindblowing.
Now I understand why starfield feels so empty.
It seems like the people who work more than one hour a day left the company after Skyrim
They're all old and rich from scamming fans into accepting their monetizing nonsense so they could sell it all off to MS.
Because they don't
Like EA Sports and Madden,,,they are just mailing in results these days.
@@K.R.98they know you people will keep giving them money and buying their crap no matter how many times they burn you
The fact this $30 DLC is barely 50% of what other AAA companies these days are offering is the problem. It took them 1 year to release a dlc that probably could have been in the base game.
I guarantee that modders could have made this in one year with their budget.
It really is crazy to think about.
@@cyberturkey77 not even a year... imma be real ive seen wonders come from modders in months...
Remember when blood and wine released a year after witcher 3 and only costed 20$....
@@Dr.Yakub22 dont bring up the witcher 3 itll piss off all the bethesda fan boys, because they get an idea what a REAL rpg and game looks like
You know it’s bad when even Matty won’t defend it.
Starfield: Shattered Hope For The Elder Scrolls VI
Yes, that will be the title. The elder scrolls 6: shattered hope.
@@R0bbie4141 By the time we get it it will be The Elderly Scrolls.
@@martymcyourflysdown6872 I hear they hired George RR Martin to help with the writing.
Bethesda really phoned it in for this DLC. Disappointing
Address the awfulness that is Dragon Age Veilguard bro, three choices only mattering is a joke.
Just watched yours and Mattys reviews back to back!
they charged us for the phone as well
It feels like they phoned in 90% of this game.
Lol, no they didn't. You spent more time making a video about the DLC than actually playing it.
Could this be another case of "toxic positivity" from a studio where nobody takes criticism or listens to fan feedback? Bethesda needs to make big changes for Elder Scrolls 6 or they are cooked 🤷
ofcourse it is, they probably only listen to critic reviews just like ubisoft
It's ran by bean counters, Todd is their lackey. It's clear that financial success has led him to give up whatever spark of passion he used to have to push out a minimal viable product for a price that is offensive to long time fans of the company. It's laughable that they've still got a bunch of consoomers still purchasing this mediocre tripe.
Dude, 100%.
Thanks for bringing it up. It feels exactly like that.
Oh for sure
People complain that starfield lacks ground exploration. They make a DLC only about ground exploration.
People complain that quests lacks consequences. They make a main questline that every quest has a permanent consequence, (besides the first one and cave part) and makes possible to pick up the most douchebag decision from any bethesda game, blocking you from a lot of content.
They are listening a lot, the DLC is a direct answer to those comments. Those people need to praise this, but they won't
Xbox and Bethesda are both living off successes from from the 360 era and have continued to disappoint since
Agreed
100000000000000% agree
Cannot agree more!!
Unfortunately PlayStation is doing exact that same thing after their ps4 rein. They'll be releasing re-re-remasters by the PS7
Ps doing the samething
The fact they claimed it's "like Far Harbor" is damning in the sense it suggests they have no idea why fans liked Far Harbor.
People liked Far Harbor because it had an interesting and compelling moral conundrum. The entire DLC is basically truth vs. peace: would you rather uphold the truth, even if this can spark a conflict, or try to maintain a peace that's built on a lie - and infact - a peace that isn't even being sustained by humans...?
It wasn't exploration, an eerie setting or anything like that. It was just a brief glimpse of a lead designer for that DLC who understood what Fallout was supposed to be about. (a lead designer who left the company after the completion of Starfield, btw)
You mean Bethesda do not understand why the games they created where successful? Almost like they thought they were doing a good vs evil story in Far Harbor, but failed to understand that they had created a murky and gray conundrum instead. Maybe it was incompetence with them failing to communicate correctly that created the conundrum in the first place?
@@Cloud_Seeker Which is totally possible. I actually bought Far Harbor late because they were selling it as the locals vs. the Children of Atom, which sounds very black and white since the Children of Atom are just nuts.
But the actual story is less about them and more about how they're an undeniable problem, and there's two proposed solutions: one acknowledging the truth of the matter, which will demand a war where the Children of Atom get wiped out, and another where we go for peace at any cost, but the cost is that the peace is built on a lie.
Still, it's crazy to think about how Bethesda *made these* and has been sitting on these titles for years, and potentially still hasn't figured out WHY people liked them.
@@Longknife I think it is because they do not think much about what they are doing. When people point out continuity problems, they mock and laugh at them for caring to much. They are used to just throw an idea on the players and expect to be praised over it. That time is however over now.
What is strange is that Bethesda didn't look at New Vegas and tried to understand why people liked it.
What people liked about New Vegas was that all factions are well considered. They all have their reasons to be involved in the conflict. However all of them are seriously flawed. You can easily point out why all of them are bad, but you can also point out why they are good in their own way.
You also have the personal backstories and quests around the companions that make you care about each one of them.
But what did Bethesda learn from it? To have personal companion quests, but not all of them get one. And that there needs to be four factions, but no real conflict around each one of them.
I don't think it is a mystery why Bethesda is unable to understand why people like them. They refuse to listen to people that do, and they are to incompetent to understand what they are making.
"Not much depth here" is my opinion of Starfield in general.
$30, compare it to phantom liberty.. oof
Oof
I'd rather spend 60$ on Phantom liberty than spending 20$ on Starfield and Shattered Space
@@Dr.Yakub22 PL is a whole new campaign, with a lot of good stuff.
Shitered Space is just the fart after you shit on your pants.
@@efxnews4776 🤣🤣🤣
Now compare Cyberpunks launch vs Starfields OOOF
We forget that Cyberpunk that wasnt developed during a pandemic was pulled for the PS store because of how shit it was.
Matty I appreciate your authenticity and honesty, having just recently interviewed Todd most creators would sugar coat their criticisms but I really appreciate your ability to be objective while wearing your heart on your sleeve.
Where was that with Todd?
he proved me wrong there, I thought that interview would effect his objectivity as it was a big win for him.
“I appreciate your authenticity and honesty” fuck me you are a Matty ass licker maybe stop doing that and make an opinion for yourself because if this is the guy you agree with then your fucked lol he is a joke always has been and always will be a hypocrite someone has to say it because you all look up to him like a fucking cult leader
There was not much to criticize he was nitpicking angry because the games exploration was not fixed what did he expect starfield 2.0
@@aaronvasseur6559 it sounds pretty short for the price they are charging. considering how long they were working on it until release.
Shattered my heart will be a more fitting name for the DLC
Shattered my hopes and dreams more like
I've seen less polite people refer to it as Sharted Space.
@@sheriff2077to me shitered space
It's not the budget, it's the incentive structure. Produce the bare minimum and then sell the new weapons, quests and companions that players were first hoping to get in the base game (and then were hoping to get in the dlc), as separate individual mtx. This is why so many people were dead set against the Creation Club, it's not a matter of "don't like mtx, then don't buy them" it's the way that mtx affect the core product. Why wow players with loads of new content when you can just drip feed them that content and extract tons more money in the process.
Well, people are buying it, aren't they... So I don't see what's wrong with that... It keeps us hooked. Moreover had this thought ever crossed your thick skull that for some people the amount Bethesda charges for these expansions feel negligible compared to how much fun it is for us... So yeah, if you don't like Bethesda or its games, why come to youtube just to criticize something which you don't want to play. You guys are pathetic.😂
10:23 ...I'll keep saying what I always say when I hear these comments... Bethesda CAN NOT make another Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 3, or Fallout 4. The team has all either retired, resigned, or passed away. Bethesda Game Studios employees just voted to unionize. Bethesda today is not Bethesda of the past... and we all need to stop hoping, or expecting them to "return to form" ...they cannot return to form. It's literally impossible. The golden age of BGS has passed. I breaks my heart... and I'm sure it breaks your heart, but we all need to stop expecting things to change which cannot change.
Yup. It’s over. I’ve moved on and i’m not looking back. Never buying another Bethesda game again no matter what. My heart broke when I tried playing Starfield last year. Bethesda nowbis dead to me.
The team was replaced with DEI agendas. You can see it all over the place in Starfield. It's probably my biggest hate of Starfield. Because it's such an amazing game outside of the agenda.
If we stop criticizing things that deserve to be criticized, the things we love will continue to degenerate. The people that defend unacceptable products or companies are their own worst enemies. This game was unacceptable.
The thing is that all of us have different tastes. The things you may hate about a game are the things I might love, and vice versa.
But when overall quality declines, when there is sloppy oversight and mistakes that repeatedly occur, things like sophomoric dialogue, Quest lines that don't make sense and aren't fulfilling... Those are the things to me that can destroy and otherwise good game. unfortunately, Starfield is an example of all of the above.
Division 2 is unacceptable as well, 6 years and people still happy to play the same content.
But say anything about that and you’re a hater , (Double standards by lots of people).
Bethesda, StarField is far from perfect, but they are trying something new, haven’t seen many other game Developers take on the challenge of an open world 3rd person Space exploration game. (Apart from the Companies that have one character only with zero choice ).
Ok going to chip in, Why is there Crimson Fleet with bases all over Jemison, why have the UC allowed them to settle .
Only because our character travels to Shattered space system, doesn’t mean other Factions couldn’t have traveled there with their own ships.
Starfield rocks and Shattered Space is an awesome dlc in my opinion.. 😊 Sue me. But i am absolutely loving Shattered Space.
@@Nyrok007Nobody is saying for you not to love it. If it scratches the itch for you, that's fine.
But defending it, is very different from enjoying it.
And remember we got Fallout London this year.
A fan-made complete passion project that practically feels like an entire independently made Fallout game instead of an expansion.
And this mod was phenomenally well revived by the community and public.
I honestly believe Bethesda is physically incapable of delivering a worth wild product or experience like they use to.
Bethesda's best days are clearly behind them.
And it's a shame too because a lot of their issues stem from their awful priorities when it comes to game design. They choose to focus on the wrong things, they strip away classic RPG mechanics like in Fallout 4 or TES titles, or they set their scope way too wide like with Starfield. If Starfield didn't have 1000 planets for the sake of saying it did, and instead focused on one solar system like the Outer Worlds it would be far better.
@@JacobG2801 I think the problem runs deeper than having had 1000 planets. Clearly they didn't put much energy into those planets. Which leads me to think that Bethesda is currently stuck with a bunch of unimaginative and or burnt out people who really just don't care at this point.
Like every thing else. Once you get a good rep it's a mediocre product/money grab.
I said it before and it'll say it forever, Emil Pagliarulo needs to go !
Absolutely. He has an ego the size of texas.
Not going to lie, as soon as you had no CHOICE but to join House Va'ruun before you could even start, I wasnt sold.
Didnt finish, uninstalled and downloaded Fallout London. Maybe I'll come back when SF gets its CP 2077 2.0 moment.
Will Shen wrote Far Harbor and he was a high profile loss for Bethesda just prior to Starfield release and his talent was missed! It feels as though Bethesda made this DLC out of obligation rather than ambition. This does not bode well for TES6.
Will was head quest designer for Starfield
He worked on the base game and left soon after release, check your info
@@cybersamovar that’s what I said. Will Shen was not around to write this DLC content. Will wrote the story for Starfield but left shortly before it launched.
Bethesda just does whatever the heck they want. They obviously dont care about fans or customers. Selling product simply off name alone. Now the name is tarnished. They need complete restructure
Starting with getting rid of Todd and Emil.
You will give Todd more of your your money
The fans have been telling them to hire an actual writer since fallout 3 and they still haven't done that.
@@Dr.Yakub22"our designers are our writers"
@chilbiyito "You create your own stories." Todd has been saying this line since skyrim, its like he's trying to gaslight fans so they don't criticize the garbage writing.
I miss finding unique items at the end of dungeons. This procedural stat based loot just ain't it. This DLC was 100% supposed to be part of the base game. As someone who makes BGS content on their channel, I'm all around disappointed with the direction of this studio. They don't make RPG's anymore, they make action adventure games, and that hurts.
Action adventure games but without the action or adventure
When I saw Starfield had the legendary system from Fo4 I knew it was over.
Dawnbreaker is my favorite sword
video starts at 3:10
I agree with you about the performance and the price, but do you find it fair to compare phantom liberty to shattered space when phantom liberty released 3 years after cyberpunk 2077 released and shattered space was 1 year after Starfield released and that far Harbor was the second big expansion for Fallout 4 I mean it does track with how bethesda releases DLC and expansions the first is not really the banger but the second and even the third one is because Bethesda does take criticism and listen to their fans and build on previous DLC and expansions just look at the Rev-8 people were critical of land exploration and they added something for those people but yes the performance and price is unacceptable.
They've got a lot more cooking for the game im sure, & I agree, they do listen to fans, but I hope they're not listening to the fake "fans" just repeating tired bs. Matty is great because he speaks his mind, criticisms he offers are constructive, and tie directly to logical remedies. The few problems this game has can be remedied, considering how long Bethesda planned ahead to support this over the long haul, its totally possible, they just need to get some hype going again. The game has sold incredibly well, there are millions of players, & millions more potential players that would jump over if something piques their interest. All is not lost! Ad Astra!
I loaded in, found the space station, thought the atmosphere was dope, and within 15 mins a door for a quest was bugged and prevented me from moving on. Not gonna attempt it until shits fixed or might just drop game entirely.
Update 12/4/24: Still haven't touched the game since, and I usually revisit games after several patches. Keep in mind I'm lv 107 and have put in a decent amount of time, the spark is just not there anymore. Im worried for the Fallout and Elder Scrolls series.....
Just drop it
Bethesda don’t care, they got your money. Now they’ll either wait weeks or months to fix it, and that’s if the modders don’t fix it first.
@@refugeemorales8003 facts, I’m gonna enjoy more hard drive space
Honestly the arrogance from Bethesda and Todd Howard is staggering. This entire game is everything that’s wrong, outdated tech, early access crap for a single player game on gamepass, overpriced DLC, poor story, boring gameplay. This is atrocious. Either go all out for ES6 or don’t bother, can’t believe they made us wait 14 years just so they can give us this awful game.
Made you wait? Like you've been sitting around with nothing to do?
@@r.rodriguez4991you don't go into hibernation mode after each BGS release? huh...
@@r.rodriguez4991 Obviously they were waiting on the classic bethesda formula game why are you intentionally playing the moron here and acting like you cant do other things while waiting?
ES6 is going to be a disaster. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it.
Starfield is a good game and Shattered Space is a rocker of a dlc. IMO. Hate all you want.. You bunch of poor snobs. You guys don't matter.😂😂😂
Sad to say this is Bethesda in 2024….finally uninstalled
Same.
Do you think Bethesda are bothered, even remotely?
@@kerrjardine7760they will be when a lot of us fall off after years of loyalty
@@kerrjardine7760Nope.. because you guys don't matter... There are many hardcore rich fans of Starfield, me included who will pay for whatever Bethesda release.... Because I love all Bethesda games.. and there are more people like me.... So frankly they are not bothered with poor sods who cannot afford or play their games in a decent rig, and just whine all along.... You guys don't matter. Get this in your thick heads. Losers. Lol😂😂😂
@@kerrjardine7760They probably just mean they removed the waste of drive space
It's funny that bethesda fans needed a trigger warning, so they don't take the review as a personal attack.
Toxic positivity is present in a lot of online communities
Xbox fanboys actually
Blood and wine launched for $20 was one of the best DLCs ever made and easily adds 20 hours of content. BGS needs to do better
This sucks man I really thought they might be able to bring this game back but I think Bethesda has truly given up I’m worried for ES6
Good thing avowed releases next year, it looks good enough that it can satisfy ES fans.
Honestly, if I was BGS, I'd cancel ES6. Valve knew Half Life 3 would never live up to the hype and Starfield is showing that ES6 won't.
Starfield was a cobbled project after the main MMO side of Starfield was shuttered, this is why it is full of half finished MMO mechanics rather than Single player game mechanics. Hub worlds, the exploration is set up (Think MHW but rando gen areas) Even the economy is set up for MMO. Lack of a good story is also the biggest issue, because it was clearly tacked on after a majority of the game was built (Why it feels so messy) because they needed to convert a mostly storyless MMO into a story RPG single player experience. Also why there is no NPC schedule (barring few npcs which appear to have schedule retroactively added) and why NPC's that aren't just background filler just stand in one location, why no homes exist for the dozens of npcs that wander literally 24/7
i used to be a big fan of TES but now i no longer care & i'm glad bc im not gonna be disappointed anymore, i also found better games to play & be excited for.
the current state of melee combat in BGS games is extremely shallow & outdated, if they want TES 6 to be a good game they are gonna need to do something about that.
CP77 took 2 years to get to a good state and another year for DLC.
I can see major overhauls to starfield but i guess it's up to BGS if they want to commit.
The fact that you have to say you think the DLC didn't have the budget when the amount of money they've made is absurd is unacceptable, it tells me they don't care.
Right! The fact it had already been funded by those of who preordered the deluxe edition, too! Where is their cash going?!?!
@themoddrummer4518 Into their pockets, they don't care anymore about gamers or games for that matter since it is apparent that they got lazy and lost passion for it.
Also owned by Microsoft btw lmao
It tell me you and Matty are retards and are ungrateful this was good content just enjoy what you get and stop moaning maybe complain about something that is actually bad and worth complaining about
Guys relax. All of the money is going to Elder Scrolls 6 and it will be the biggest game in 20 years.w We'll be throwing parades for Bethesda. Just wait
in Australia the game is $120 ON STEAM and $50 DLC, this is kind of unheard of in the PC realm, not even PHYSICAL DISKS that have resale value, are ever that price, unless it's starfield, i'm sure theres other games that have launched at $120 AUD but it's absolutely insane, thats a 20-30% increase in price over 99% of AAA launch prices. btw a year later the game is still the same price. 60 USD is 87 AUD btw, so most AAA games actually launch around $90 AUD
Thats fucking crazy 😮
Damn💀
Outright scam
It’s £30 in the UK…why is it different in Australia? Does anyone else remember when whole physical games used to cost £40 at most? 😢
@@LordWalsallianshattered space is 30, the base game is more. It’s more expensive in the UK of course.
I think most of the "content" we gotten after release has just been cut content. All repackaged and sold to us for additional cost. Really if you want to buy Starfield today consider it to be a $100+ game if you want the (Im not sure i should call it this) full experience.
Base game $70
SS $30
Creation club content (by Bethesda) $$$$$$
Props to you Matty for speaking what you think despite a lot of your fanbase not wanting to hear your genuine opinions.
Yes, being always negative about everything is not good or healthy, but being positive no matter how disappointing or bad the games are is not right either.
Funny, majority of people hate Starfield, so I’d be shocked to see people hate on him for not liking Starfield
@@tarheelpro87 He's the island of positivity in the sea of evil haters.
Starfield isn't remotely as bad as the evil haters are trying to make it look. Yes, it's not great. Yes, it's the worst of the three BGS franchises. Yes, it delayed TES6 (which is objectively the worst thing about it). But it's not bad. It's mediocre at worst.
@@dasik84 agreed. Definitely not on par with Fallout or Elder Scrolls, but it suffices for me. If people don’t like it, that’s fine they have a right to. But I feel like a lot of Cyberpunk 2077 fanboys were just itching for a AAA RPG game to fail so they could tell people “SeE? CyBeRpUnK iSn’T tHaT bAd!” I can tell by the 10 million comparison videos of the two games. Besides that, I think a lot of the hate was people who already hate Bethesda, or console war fanboys. Then only a handful of negative opinions on the game are actually genuine.
Matty, you are one of the most genuine dudes on here. Just because you generally have good things to say about Bethesda stuff, doesn’t mean you can’t call out this bs when you see it. It’s so weird to see people mad at you for literally reviewing something. Love your content.
Is he because if you think that then you might as well go lick his ass clean because this guy is a lier and a hypocrite
At 30 dollars, Shattered Space is the same cost as all of Fallout 4s DLC if you got the season pass. It’s a bad value proposition.
Blows me away that people still have high expectations from BGS...how?
I guess we can say that Bethesda has no more real talent left in the studio, unless something changes before the next elder scrolls
I think all the old heads left the studio we have rookies in office now
Compare this to Shadow of the Erdtree. Multiple new enemies, multiple new bosses, huge areas, new weapon types with numerous versions. It goes on.
Best part of Starfield was watching Todd present an idiolized version of the game
Man the hype from that first in-depth presentation was high. I won't get fooled again.
There sure seem to be a lot of people out there who think they are the only ones "playing the game right" because of their view on it.
I think the first time (and maybe one time after) I was legit surprised religion was NOT put in a bad light and used for evil in a game plot was with Ashley Williams in Mass Effect 1. It actually fleshed out her character with interesting stories, views and opinions, and I wish we saw more come from it, maybe in the form of a questline to help her kind of find herself in the universe (I sound like a Trollywood actress, I know), but sadly, we ended up with what we got in ME2 and 3. Not that it was bad, just a little wanting, I'd say.
I'm a massive sci-fi person who generally doesn't enjoy Skyrim style fantasy games, but playing starfield actually get me into TES because of how lacking starfield is.
The only thing that will make me download starfield again is a massive Dr Who overhaul
I really like Sci- fi and games that fictional but possible. My favorite types are games that are based in, the past but Grounded. KingDom Come, RDR2, Mafia, AC Black Flag, Ghost of tushmia and Far Cry Primal. I loved the idea of having a more grounded space game but starfield did not really give me what i wanted. The game design of Fallout 3 and Tes 3 to 5 is amazing but SF lacks that.
the Dragonborn failed and Alduin ate Bethesda game studios. They no longer exist. What you’re seeing is just a Microsoft ai generated game. TES 6 is DOA. 😢
Funny how you mentioned AI...
Because Todd wants ES6 to be a "the ultimate fantasy life simulator" ChatGPT goes brrrrrrrrrrrrr quick Emil write that down!
Elder Scrolls 6 ain't ever coming out.
They were headed this direction even before Microsoft got ahold of them.
Dragonborn was more interested in Lydia and side content than Alduin.
I genuinely hope Bethesda steps back and changes their approach for ES6 because Starfield feels so... dated. Excited for Exodus as the next upcoming sci-fi RPG tho! Hopefully youll cover that too!
They were supposed to step back and make changes for Starfield after 76. They aren’t going to.
I’m with you Matty. This was my, Bethesda finally let me down experience 😥
It’s egregious that this is $29.99 USD but still £29.99 GBP! This should be around £20-£22. May not seem huge, but even £22 is actually crazy for such a short expansion, let alone £30!
It's £24, the other £6 is your 20% sales tax
Elder Scrolls 6 is done for! No doubt about it!
Agree Matty... Will Shen being gone from BGS has *severely* impacted their quest design, in the wrong direction. They should hire me, if they want true consequences in their quests, Id fix them up, lol.
hearing that he'd be lead quest designer was a breath of fresh air leading up to launch, only for him to announce his retirement after was like NOOO WHY
Clearly it was an ominous bell for the state of bethesda as a company currently.
I'm glad people are acknowledging his contributions. He was and still is great and if I'm correct, he'll be sorely missed by BGS.
I mean if he worked as lead quest designer on the base game I think you may be giving him too much credit
his gdc talk inspired very little confidence imo
He worked on the base game. How did that worked out?
They are not only destroying todays hope but also any future hope for Elder Scrolls and Fallout. Time for new Studios to arise (Coming From someone that has Fallout 3 and Oblivion in its top 20 games of all time)
I want them to make more great games but Fallout 4 was already showing a lot of cracks.
I feel like for a lot of people that company is already here, CD projekt red. They are the new Bethesda in a lot of ways tbh.
@@ashtondillard6906I can kinda see why, but I feel like they’re still not quite the same. I like Geralt of Rivia in Witcher 3, but I still would prefer to have at least a somewhat customizable character, like most Bethesda games. I just like making my own character appearance, background and build. There’s just some things CD Projekt Red does differently that I just don’t feel truly comfortable. But I plan on getting Cyberpunk 2077, I’ve heard good things so I’m looking forward to it.
@@ashtondillard6906 Good luck with that. They released a broken game and sure they fixed it but The Witcher 4 and Cyberpunk 2 will go woke and focus on the wrong things (yup I am predicting that)
Big studios are drowning in people who are just there for the paycheck and their political opinions so all my hope is on indie and double AA for now
Agreed. 👍 There does seem to be lots on the horizon: CDPR are currently making a new Witcher trilogy (albeit new protagonist). Separately ex CDPR devs (called Rebel Wolves) are making a new dark RPG called 'Dawnwalker', which I’m very intrigued about. There is also the
'Exodus' space RPG which could be interesting. Ex BGS & Obsidian devs are making an RPG called ‘Wyrdsong'. A solo ex BGS dev is making ‘the Axis Unseen’ (although it’s a fantasy hunting game, not an RPG). & the original writers of the Elder Scrolls have formed a studio called Once Lost Games & are making an RPG called ‘the Wayward Realms’. 👀
You realize cyberpunks core theme is TRANShumanism @Bambeakz
all the Bethesda naysayers were right.
We werent naysayers, we were fans of the old bethesda like oblivion skyrim fallout 3 that realised how far the bar had dropped for them
@@TonyTynebridge yeah.
Most of us naysayers are former Bethesda fans & life long RPG connoisseurs who would love nothing more than to be proven wrong, we just aren't pay pigs.
Simple question Matty. How did you put 100 hours and beat the game and all faction quests but only manage to be "around level 30" ... Be real bud.
Maybe he made multiple characters?
Just doing non-xp things.... I'm at 500 hours, and over level 100.
@@pixelanarchy1711 Typical Bethesda-game behavior.
I'm a longtime Bethesda fan and spent over 200 hours playing Starfield after it launched. So many things felt incomplete, disconnected and inconsequential that it was hard to find the fun, and having a romance and relationships that just go away once you step through the unity made stop there. I already own this DLC but I'm never reinstalling the game, I gave it enough of my time but I'm glad if some people are enjoying it. Just watching streamers run down pedestrians in New Atlantis with the REV-8 tells me that something went really wrong with the direction of this game.
Those aren't bugs, Matty. They just didn't put in the work anyone would reasonably expect when it comes to Andreja, or any character, coming to the Varuun homeworld. They didn't even give this totally isolated, technologically advanced, hyper-religious society their own ship line(s) and barely even any unique architecture.
This was their prove it moment. Imo it failed. This did not mean they can't pull something out of their asses later but it raises the bar as to how much effort will be required
This criticism is needed if we want any hope going forward into ES6 and FO5. Not just blind Bethesda hate but actual constructive points.
I dont like fallout games, so I dont really care. ES 6 would be good tho
True. No lie, the criticism is the only reason Starfield has planetary maps and land rovers.
Matty, I‘m really positively surprised that you finally say something bad about a Bethesda game or a video game in general.
In the past years it felt like you were bribed to only speak positive. Please keep the honesty from this video! 🎉
If you do that I can revert back to your channel. 👍💪
People are far too complicated to be put in box A or box B. We're multi faceted, multi layered, and highly unpredictable (For better or worse).
What happened to the Bethesda Studios that made the Forgotten Vale in Skyrim? And that was only a FRACTION of that DLC!
That ending felt unfinished too. not really a spoiler, but you get zero lore on their beliefs, what or who the great serpent is, why they are so extreme and so devoted etc. It's all cause '1 guy said he talked to a snake god 100 years ago'. And the most important missing lore bit, in the base game the pilgrim talked about in his logs how he fought some guy and died over and over (he went in the unity so he kept fighting him in different universes) and it was strongly implied the other person was the OJ varuun founder. I expected some sort of extended lore on the unity, the interactions the founder of the house had with the pilgrim, if the snake god is actually a starborn who started a cult. My friends and I were theory crafting so hard and considering the deep lore of TES, expected some GOOD STUFF here, and we got NOTHING. ZERO. NO EXPLANATION ABOUT ANYTHING. The DLC just randomly ends. No end of DLC loot, no explanation of how things work or happened. and NO CHOICES. It's the same ending no matter what. This was INSANELY BAD just from a lore perspective.
In fallout 4, at least the crazies (children of atom) you have unexplained magical effects like radiation not hurting you, and a womens voice whispering to you. That could make you a believer even if it's not explained. In starfield? Do we have a snake talking to us, or some magical powers? Nope. Everything was SPOILERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR a science project gone wrong, experimenting with grav drive tech to move people into a state of limbo like existence. How does that make people worship a serpent god? There's nothing moving them to the cult. The children of atom, she (the voice) talks to you, guides you, makes you powerful somehow. It's enough to hook people into worshipping... I expected the first intro quest to at least let us interact with the snake god somehow during initiation. Or hear him talk to you or give you orders. There was NOTHING.
the tech itself is "magical", like the starborn powers. The Varuun experiment goes wrong exactly because they don't know how the grav drive exactly works.
And... you can make science with magic, like in TES.
The Grav Drive was only invented due to "magical thoughts"
I’m by no means a fan of the writing, but for the sake of fairness: the fact that Anasko kept his mind and that you can hear him was never explained (suggesting maybe the great serpent linked you and favored him… or something)
In the last area you find 3-4 audio logs scattered around on a desk. If you listen to them you find out the leader that started the whole "Great Serpent" thing was just a nerd that no one respected before and he got in an accident and had a mental break/fever dream after. He then doubled down on it saying it was real after a previous log made it clear he knew it wasn't, just to get respect.
@@MrWho302 Anasko wasn't the only one that survived and being able to hear him it is related to starborns being able to travel between dimensions, the vortex is something in between.
@@pietro0games would we not have been able to hear him if we didn’t go through the unity?
The price is way too high. Maybe 10 dollars.
Agreed. It doesn't really offer anything amazing outside the story like Skyrim's 2 DLCs did. So $5-$10 is fair for Shattered Space. And I am speaking as someone who owns Shattered Space, and has actually completed its main story. (Still working on the Va'ruun side quests)
Respect to you Matty, thanks for the honest and great review. We need more folks like you, hopefully BGS listens. 👍👍👍
I don't know mate, I'm a fan of yours, and I think Starfield was a good game. But, for instance, I've found 2 new companions just by exploring a bit.
I'd so far say it's a big improvement on the base game, and my experience seems very different to yous. I have to ask, did you just rush through it in order to get a review out asap for clicks?
That’s the problem with these reviews. They all seem rushed to be first to get a video out, and criticism and drama sells so of course Marty nitpicks things that aren’t problems (like the companion thing)
Were the companions you found actually fleshed out companions with dialogue and stuff? I’m debating whether or not to get it but it’s so hard to get objective feedback of it
I doubt matty plays these games fully.
How much dialogue do these "companions" have? If it's not on the same level as Barrett, Andreja, Sarah, or Sam then it's not a companion - it's a crewmate. There are lots of throwaway crewmates you can recruit in the base game. But all you can do with them is use them as meat shields or have them work your outposts. They don't have any real tangible substantive content. They're just dumb bots that you have to pad out your team. Matty acknowledged he did find 2 such crewmates, but since they have hardly any real value beyond just being a warm body that can do menial labor, they don't really count as companions. At best, this DLC gives you a tiny bit of content for one of your pre-existing companions. Whereas far harbor had two companions just for the DLC that actually had a decent amount of dialogue and content surrounding them. That's the difference. And if you can't see that, then I don't know what to do for you. You're just willfully ignorant at that point.
@@prodbycxrlos Not as fully formed as the 'main' ones admittedly, but they are there. There's some other cool little surprises and rewards to be found though.
Objectively, I'd say the initial asking price is a little steep. So my recommendation would be wait for a sale then pick it up.
you had me at, "this is buggy". good to know some things dont change.
30$ for this is a highway robbery.
The visuals look cool tho.
Matt took the gloves off for his Starfield review too. Its sad we gamers all have to live in a world where Bethesda is what it is now. Sucks that I can't give them money for a quality RPG. I want to give you money Bethesda, but Im not parting ways with my dollars for the minimum viable product you call RPGs these days that release about once a decade.
Yeah I feel you, I hope Avowed delivers next year. I need another good RPG in my life
My spin that I came away with is Shattered Space is intriguing, but not really exciting. It's vivid and palatable aesthetically, but not much else. You're 100% correct on character depth and dialogue. I brought Andreja along expecting some very active reaction, but there was little to none. A huge oversight.
I'd love to see more of what shattered space did. Long story missions on 1 planet. I just didn't like the Va'ruun planet because it was dark, forever night, and too much jagged terrain. I played through the story with no quicktravel or land vehicles. I wanted the full exploration experience.
As someone who really loves Starfield and can get pretty annoyed by "the haters," I really appreciated this take Matty. You have a real regard for the fact that BGS is a studio of real people with jobs and lives, you make a real point to assume the best of game developers, and even your stronger critiques still feel respectful. Thanks.
Bethesda being comfortably below average as usual
Great coverage as always 👊🏿
The thing that sucks most for me as a huge Bethesda fan, is I find myself TRYING to be excited and positive for starfield. I had heaps of fun in my first playthrough, but once you recognize the boring design it's just.. Over... Shattered Space dropped and I TRIED to be excited for it. I just wasn't. Then I popped it on with the intention of taking everything in, only to be met with conversations so dry and bland and boring. I started skipping dialogue then snapped out of my personal dilusion and turned the game off. I don't think ill ever finish it, but hopefully oneday... I want to?
Edit: Currently re-downloading fallout 4
Same for me. I keep turning it off and then go do something else. Super disappointed. Super boring and painfully bland. Does anyone at BGS play any modern games? Anyone? Do they not compare themselves to other similar games? Are they not fans of games or just into smelling their own farts? Seems insane and incompetent to me. This feels so outdated and clunky. Characters are horrible and pointless. Big double thumbs down. They seem out of touch and full of hubris from success 15 years ago.
The thing that worried me is the update I heard that borked fo4 so so many of the mods I used 2 years ago are probably shot to hell
@@jaybirdjargon hahaha funny you say that. That was my first thought too. I'm starting fresh with some very basic mods like the unofficial patch. If that doesn't work I'm calling it a day haha
@@teetothemosquitoim playing fallout 4 too, its much better, play on survival mode btw, it improves it
I want to but the sleep saves really put me off
Big respect for being honest Matty 👏
I often wonder if people forgot about the Shivering Isles from Oblivion. While I agree that Far Harbor was absolutely beautiful in its presentation and execution, the SI expansion holds a very special place in my heart.
Matty did you see the guards dialogue when they say "salutations" thought this was a nice nod towards you!
Have you ever read Charlotte's web? Maddie did not invent the word, and the fact you were basically introduced to it through him is so disappointing. I have no faith left in the kids these days.
@@TheRealCaptainLavender pretentious, google it.
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If reading Charlotte’s Web is the epitome of being an adult, then I don’t know anymore 😂24 btw, Npc say it in morrowind, just thought u never know😂
I probably liked Starfield’s base game more than Matty. I really enjoyed it a lot while also pointing to things that needed improvement. Hearing this about Shattered Space is truly disappointing. I’m really hoping they can rally, as they’ve made games I’ve enjoyed for years and they should have the resources now to do so.
If possible, I’d play it for yourself. I liked the base game and really like this so far. Mileage may vary of course, but Matty is a critic at heart and plays that way. I just play the game and let it come to me, and it’s been rewarding
@@KiD1515 I have premium edition add on to Game Pass so I definitely will give it a go on another playthrough. I appreciate your input.
Even if I like the base game and this DLC, I still think it's important to hold Bethesda to task. It's been a little over a year since launch, and I'm kind of scratching my head as to how it took them that long to release the first DLC for their big new series. That, and the emphasis on "listening to feedback," makes me feel like they had to start the whole DLC over from scratch and scrap a lot of the work they'd already started.
@@TKAandMore I'm very doubtful much, if anything, changed with Shattered Space. You can see them working on Shattered Space in earlier videos. As much as I love Starfield and still enjoy playing it, there is a lot of room for improvement that can make it transcendent to me, and in that sense I agree BGS needs to have more of a fire lit under them, especially when compared to other RPGs. I understand that Starfield may do some things better than others, or have engine limitations, but they need to evolve faster. There's a lot of low hanging fruit in Starfield that can make the universe feel more immersive, like card games, gambling, billiards, actual realized lived in cities. But perhaps the most jarring is how non-dynamic the companions are, especially in comparison to other RPGs like BG3 and such. Love Starfield, but there's so much potential left on the table.
Don't become an angry ranter. That's all there is on the internet these days. It's not healthy. Your level-headedness is why i appreciate your content so much. Not saying you shouldn't give your honest opinion, but please don't go out of your way to be angry.
It was wonderful to meet you!
I do wish Andreja had more involvement since she’s my wife in game. The environment and story is pretty cool so far. I guess im just slow. and the length wouldnt be issue if it wasnt a year later and part of a $30 set. I got at launch with a steelbook patch early access and the 1000 creation club credits so wasnt as bad for me but it is odd that its been this long after release and this is all we got.
To the surprise of absolutely nobody, but the shills
Starfield's DLC didn't make the tepid game any better.
I played Starfield on release and enjoyed the gameplay & the ship building. Some of the faction and regular side quests are very good, but I found the companions and main story to be incredibly mediocre. I haven't bothered playing it again since & have no interest in playing Shattered Space, because it does nothing to address the reasons I stopped playing.
I have watched a lets play of the expansion and the criticism which I think fits best is, Shattered Space feels like a main game faction question, cut out and sold separately. This would be the same as selling a Fallout 4 expansion, so you can join and play the faction quest for the Railroad instead of it being part of the main game. Bethesda game expansions always are new stories, unconnected to the main game for the most part, where you have a decent number of options.
Dawnguard for Skyrim is a good example. You can ether choose to join the vampire hunters, rebuild their organization and take the fight to the Volkihar clan and other vampire threats across Skyrim. Or you can accept Vampire Lord Harkon's offer of incredible power and immortality, betraying the Dawnguard and seeking ever greater dark power for yourself. In Shattered Space you are forced to join the House Vurun faction... This would be ok if it was a standard faction quest, but its not sold as one. Yea, very disappointed.
Also, seriously what is with developers having this entitled attitude of "we put so much passion and effort in to this" as if that entitles them to my money and praise? I loved all of Skyrim's expansions, I loved all of Fallout 4's dlcs. Eventhough Nuka World was disappointing if you don't play a raider. I see nothing to be excited for with Starfield until Bethesda pull their heads out of their rear ends, actually listen to the feedback and improve Starfield, instead of making a faction quest, by precedent set by every previous title ffs.
I am sincerely glad you enjoyed the original Starfield.
The disappointment and frustration that you feel here? I felt that with the original game. I honeslty feel that Starfield was so unbelievably underdeveloped that I completely lost faith in Bethesda. Truly. It would take a BG3 level quality game that everyone agrees is ACTUALLY that to even make me considere another game.
Thank god I have Gamepass so it cost me nothing, but I watched the positive and negative reviews and came away with some belief that I could find something interesting.
Nope. After 2 hours I felt angry and bired and felt like this is from 20 years ago, and I am not referring to the graphics. Peole said I need to play deeper i to it, at least 10 hours. So I literally forced myself to get to 15 hours. Nope. Done. Possibly forever.
I loved the game, and it has a lot of hidden gems throughout it, especially with the unique NG+/multiverse system. Problem for me is it fails at a lot of game mechanics that made Skyrim great. Things I expected from BGS, but didn't get.
For me, BGS is The Elder Scrolls. Starfield is absolutely irrelevant. It's not great, it's not bad. But the most importantly, it's not TES 6. Which is the worst thing about it.
That opening bit about grifters and liars taking advantage of peoples' hate or hype is so on point. That being said, good for you for always trying to give honest takes on games despite modern pressures.
I feel like leaving the last - and to me - most interesting religion or path in the game to DLC is so scummy. I actually thought, given how the guy was ex-Varu'un or its founder or something, that his notes would lead us to the faction in the main quest "Unity", but noooo.
I've finished the DLC. Andreja said next to nothing and she was with me from start to finish.
I'm in NG+10 so I'm in my final universe for this character so I'm kinda disappointed that the character who married her won't get her input
You deserve better bro, there are so many great games ..
Must be a bug, I had Andrea and serpants embrace and I had a ridiculous amount of dialog with them
Bethesda should be delighted with a thoughtful critique, and take that feedback for making a better product. The diehard fans need to grow up, if you love something enough you should be able to take negative feedback and be truthful when the game is garbage.
Matty I know you probably won’t do this but you should review and show off a Skyrim mod list called LoreRim. It’s an auto install wabbajack with 3,200+ mods that completely transforms Skyrim into a lore friendly modernized and beautiful open world. It’s absolutely my favorite RPG at the moment. So many new quests, armor, weapons, world spaces and overhauls in general. Unfortunately it’s PC only of course but it’s just mind blowing how great the list is put together and literally a 150+ hours of getting that same feeling you have when you first played Skyrim! It would be worth your time❤️ very easy to install as well.
Matty, as someone who has only discovered you a few months ago, just wanted to say how much I appreciate how genuine and sincere your takes are.
Really a breath of fresh air in, as you said, such a sea of grifters, toxic both in positivity and negativity.
My theory is that Shattered Space was never intended to be a DLC. The game was delayed several times. This part of the game just was not ready by launch, so they decided "Hey, let's hold this back and release it as a DLC so we can get the rest of the game out." They release the main game and continue to finish this up. They hear the criticism of the main game and do some tweaking and additions to make this feel a little more full. This would explain why, in the main game, the House of Va'ruun feels so half-baked, unfinished and incomplete. There was suppose to be more and it was all held back.
I would take this explanation, but why did they waited *an entire year!!!* to release it? That's insane. Especially since it's only 5 hours of content.
honestly, don't know how you didn't see this coming. a buggy, cut content feeling dlc was all but guaranteed
Bethesda needs to have 2 games: The dungeon crawl ones and open world ones.