"Yup, when a batter hits a homerun the natural thing to do is twirl your finger in the air like you're giving an invisible giant a prostate exam" LMFAO
@@benn454 yep. there's still some of that kind of thing in language. like "dumbstruck" doesn't mean "you've been struck stupid" it means "you've been struck speechless". pretty much the only reason i ever knew "dumb" meant "mute" was from the stand by stephen king.
@@conedx Interestingly, German also has the collquial term "doof", which means "stupid", these days, but if you look closely, you can see that it used to mean "deaf".
@@benn454 Words had different meaning back then compared to today. Seen the 1990’s movie “Blast From the Past”? “Gay” literally just used to mean “happy”.
Klem may have originated the modern ump’s positioning behind the catcher’s right shoulder, but it’s also relevant that he was an NL ump, as the NL umps used the interior chest protector. I’m not sure when that started, but I know that the AL did not start the transition away from the “balloon” chest protector until the ‘70s, and there were still AL umps using the balloon into the mid- ‘80s. The balloon necessitated the umps standing up straight, and led to the higher strike zone that the AL was known for.
Okay, I just very recently came across your channel, (this is probably my 2nd or 3rd video of yours that I've watched,) and, despite the fact I was already inclined to do so, the "Dazed & Confused" meme added to the subscribe request was brilliant. so.... sub guaranteed. 👍
Good video man , I'm really enjoying your content. I've always wondered about home plate umps when they point to their right on strike calls. I'm assuming it was to point to an official scorer in the old days? Also I maybe a distant relative of Silk O'Loughlin. My ancestors also settled in upstate NY around the time his family did and spelled our name the same way back then.
As an High School Umpire I'm guessing you are right that is combinations of many people coming up with one or two signals and more people adapting them over time. I'm guessing the idea or Right Hand Strike and Left hand Ball did come from Dummy and his coaches, and some umpires thought it was a good idea and integrated that over time.
Subbed. Also the soothing bg music on this vid has brief shades of stp’s “interstate love song”. Thanks for the neat video! Also, William Hoy looks like Jesse Plemmons
Can you do football? The invention by Beade of flags to mark penalties is relatively recent and well known, but I'd like to know about the history of officials' signals in American, Canadian, Rugby Union, and Rugby League football, and whether some of them had a common origin. Like, was 2 arms up in imitation of the goal posts? Was the old "punch" signal for touchdowns by subordinate officials related to the arm-up try signal? Did Canadian signals for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd down get progressively less ostentatious (arms, then forearms, and finally fingers) because of television? Did Rugby League borrow its fist-up 4th (now 6th) tackle signal from American football?
As a Giants fan since the 80s when you said homerun signs was likw giving a Giant a prostate exam since my head is always in baseball mode when I watch your vids I for a sec was wondering wtf you were talking about. Imma dum dum.
OK, I'll give them all credit. But my question is: When, exactly and why, did the "out" signal go from raising the clenched fist with the thumb extended upward to the "punch" we see nowadays? As a boy, I remember the thumb. Even Joey Gladstone used it in his "Cut. It. Out." routine. Remember too that the umpire used to announce to the crowd the batteries for the game, as well as line up changes, pinch hitters, etc. No wonder "Silk" lost his voice!
Baseball isn't the only game where umpires use hand signals; cricket umpires use hand signals to communicate their rulings to the people keeping score; the laws of cricket, however, don't describe the actual signals, they just state that the "umpire shall call and signal" (a wide delivery, for example). Of course, cricket umpires are a long way from the edge of the playing field where the scorers are, so hand signals make sense. I could imagine that they may have at least inspired or demonstrated the usefulness of signals in baseball
How could you forget Frank Debrin masterfull usage of signals and the introduction of a new one: to end a brawl and/or a discussion with a ".38 Special"
It's funny how politically correct we can be at times and this dude 100 years ago was nicknamed dummy and he was only deaf lmao like it doesn't even make sense
I notice umpires don’t put much emphasis on a strikeout swinging vs a strikeout looking but it would look silly to do that if it’s obvious to everyone that he’s out. I notice different signals for out where it’s a really close play the umpires use a punching motion because they sell the call. But when it isn’t close the umpire clenches the fist.
We had a tee ball and coach pitch umpire like the guy in the last shot. So, getting called out wasn’t as depressing as other games. It was quite amusing!
I like to think there exists a retreat where umpires go to find themselves through intense Umpire yoga and eye exercises and those clips were taken there.
What roll if any did Luther "Dummy" Taylor play in all this? He was the 3rd Pitcher for the NYG between 1901 and 1910. Over shadowed of course by McGinnity and Matthewson. Incidentally, both he and Hoy were excellent at stealing the opposing teams signals due to the nature of their disability. Hoy who played CF, was the 2nd best base stealer of his era behind only the fleet footed Billy Hamilton. Taylor won 27 games in 1901 for the Giants in his best year. Taylor was also a card. He once went to coach 3rd base in a rain coat with goulashes and an umbrella in a game he felt should have been called for rain. Another time he went to the mound with a lantern when he felt it was to dark to play. Both Taylor and Hoy were legendary for their sign language tirades that they would unleash on umpires who knew they should be angry but didn't know why to the great amusement of the fans.
I thought they were going to tell things like how and why spreading your arms out came to mean both "safe" and "no swing". I mean, what does that gesture have to do with being safe or not performing a full swing of the bat?
The primary problem is when professional baseball umpires got hired as softball umpires and the American softball association is completely different from MLB In professional baseball most empires have a side motioned with their index finger pointing to the side that's a strike motion in professional softball or anything under the American softball association you're supposed to take a fist and then raise your right arm real slow and a quick fast motion for a strike call these are 2 different physical actions and when umpires in professional baseball had to be retrained To work softball they brought softball techniques back with them into professional baseball and it doesn't happen a whole lot any more but for many many years that was a problum
"the natural thing to do is to is twirl your finger in the air like you're giving an invisible giant a prostate exam." that's just brilliant writing and yet, so wrong at the same time.
I don’t think Bill realized how many strikes I’d steal strikes on the other corner that are clearly balls, but from the forced perspective thanks to Bill locating umpires to the opposite shoulder, it’s perceived as a stroke by the umpire. Idiots.
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"Yup, when a batter hits a homerun the natural thing to do is twirl your finger in the air like you're giving an invisible giant a prostate exam" LMFAO
LoL
Wow definitely a very unique subject
U have 16.9k subs nice😂
Imagine becoming deaf as a child and known by everyone as “dummy”
At least you couldn't hear the haters.. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The original meaning of the word "dumb" was mute/speechless/silent. They weren't calling him stupid. That meaning didn't come until later.
@@benn454 yep. there's still some of that kind of thing in language. like "dumbstruck" doesn't mean "you've been struck stupid" it means "you've been struck speechless". pretty much the only reason i ever knew "dumb" meant "mute" was from the stand by stephen king.
@@conedx Interestingly, German also has the collquial term "doof", which means "stupid", these days, but if you look closely, you can see that it used to mean "deaf".
@@benn454
Words had different meaning back then compared to today.
Seen the 1990’s movie “Blast From the Past”?
“Gay” literally just used to mean “happy”.
that dazed and confused clip got me😂
All this great history, and then there was Angel Hernandez and Joe West.
Joe West gets good grades from players and coaches.
You're hitting your stride man, another banger. Great subject
Klem may have originated the modern ump’s positioning behind the catcher’s right shoulder, but it’s also relevant that he was an NL ump, as the NL umps used the interior chest protector. I’m not sure when that started, but I know that the AL did not start the transition away from the “balloon” chest protector until the ‘70s, and there were still AL umps using the balloon into the mid- ‘80s. The balloon necessitated the umps standing up straight, and led to the higher strike zone that the AL was known for.
How could you ignore the contributions of enrico palazzo on the umpiring profession?
Dang it. I posted the same thing 2 months later. Well done, sir.
Not going to lie, seeing those military-esque umpire boot camps has me DEAD
I learned this story in high school while taking American sign language. It is one of my favorite "weird" baseball stories.
That’s really cool!
National League umpire Dutch Rennert was my favorite. Everyone heard him when he called strikes. I think the fans loved him for that.
How do you not have more subscribers ?
Your channel is awesome !
My new favorite baseball channel
Been here since 100 subs and the videos have just gotten better! Keep up the good work!
Thanks for the support, I really appreciate it!
another awesome video. Had never thought of where the origins of the hand signals came from, just assumed they were around forever
I don't always subscribe to a channel when i'm asked to in the video, but when i do it's because the content is pretty much kicking ass!
Your channel is picking up traction. I subbed 2 days ago when you had 2k. Feel like I got in on the ground floor of a cool new baseball channel
Thanks for your support!
past 4k now. wooderson's doing a lot of convincing
Thanks for making this I was recently wondering where the hand signals originated and this helped a bit.
This is a future big time channel you got here lad.
0:50 it’s always good to do that thing where you tell everyone that only 10% of people are subscribed it’s a part of modern culture!
U everywhere lol
@@25rasc I do watch a lot of RUclips videos...
@@retro_retro_retro well it worked for me, I thought I was subbed but checked and I wasnt so I subbed
What really sucks is when all your views for new videos are from your subscribers but only 10% of your subscribers watch the video.
best solicitation for a sub i’ve ever seen. had to do it
I was already subbed but the dazed and confused made me so happy
That prostate exam joke was great. Thank you for blessing my day. Praise Shrek
You earned my subscription if for no other reason, than for using that dazed and confused clip. Amazing videos man
Okay, I just very recently came across your channel, (this is probably my 2nd or 3rd video of yours that I've watched,) and, despite the fact I was already inclined to do so, the "Dazed & Confused" meme added to the subscribe request was brilliant. so.... sub guaranteed. 👍
Good video man , I'm really enjoying your content. I've always wondered about home plate umps when they point to their right on strike calls. I'm assuming it was to point to an official scorer in the old days? Also I maybe a distant relative of Silk O'Loughlin. My ancestors also settled in upstate NY around the time his family did and spelled our name the same way back then.
Eric Gregg had the best punch out hand signal in my book.
As an High School Umpire I'm guessing you are right that is combinations of many people coming up with one or two signals and more people adapting them over time. I'm guessing the idea or Right Hand Strike and Left hand Ball did come from Dummy and his coaches, and some umpires thought it was a good idea and integrated that over time.
Wasn’t expecting to see myself in the video at 0:33 pleasant surprise
Wasn’t expecting to see myself in the video at 1:00 alright alright alright
Whoa, that’s a really cool coincidence!
This video was so good that I came back to watch it again
thanks for the bonus at the end thet guy really made it wort it not skipping the last few seconds
First video, but the DaC reference can totally get you a sub. Solid video my guy.
That last umpire was insane lol
subscribed
Can’t wait to see your video on 10 cent beer night or disco demolition night!
Thank you so, so much for your videos. I just subscribed and am loving the content keep it up my friend!! :)
Still one of my favorite channels
Bro thank you for your channel. Love videos like this !
00:40 I don't know what prostate exams you are getting... I don't ever remember anyone twirling their finger around like THAT 😳
Hey! It's Enrico Pallazzo!
Ok you got me with Wooderson.
I love Dazed and Confused.
Hey just wanted to say I really enjoy your work, thanks for the content :)
I’ve always wondered this so great video
great video and some nice insight at the end!
This is my first vid I've watched of yours & I IMMEDIATELY hit like and subscribe.
Came for the baseball knowledge.
Stayed for the OST.
Great content! Keep up the good work!
The giant-prostate-exam had me sub real quick.
My favorite National League umpire was Dutch Rennert. He would have fit in perfectly in the pre-hand signal era with the volume of his strike calls.
Great video! Thanks for your education.
Interesting video, I've never known why they had certain hand signals or where they originated.
Holy shit you're already at 3000 subs! Congrats
Thanks! It’s very exciting
past 4k now! wooderson's doing a lot of convincing
Saw u on NYY recaps and had to sub. I'm an Umpire for fast pitch &slow pitch softball 🥎. And ty it was very enjoyable video
Glad to have you here!
Liked for umpire at the end having too much fun.
6:42 bruh...
Subbed. Also the soothing bg music on this vid has brief shades of stp’s “interstate love song”. Thanks for the neat video!
Also, William Hoy looks like Jesse Plemmons
He wasn't mute though. He was deaf. Not deaf and dumb. Why was his nickname dummy??
2:30=the nastiest curveball I've ever seen...props to ya kid
Can you do football? The invention by Beade of flags to mark penalties is relatively recent and well known, but I'd like to know about the history of officials' signals in American, Canadian, Rugby Union, and Rugby League football, and whether some of them had a common origin. Like, was 2 arms up in imitation of the goal posts? Was the old "punch" signal for touchdowns by subordinate officials related to the arm-up try signal? Did Canadian signals for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd down get progressively less ostentatious (arms, then forearms, and finally fingers) because of television? Did Rugby League borrow its fist-up 4th (now 6th) tackle signal from American football?
I’ll subscribe that was hilarious
As a Giants fan since the 80s when you said homerun signs was likw giving a Giant a prostate exam since my head is always in baseball mode when I watch your vids I for a sec was wondering wtf you were talking about. Imma dum dum.
Wooderson convinced me to subscribe. Thank you!!! 🤣😂
You got me, bud. Subbed.
OK, I'll give them all credit. But my question is: When, exactly and why, did the "out" signal go from raising the clenched fist with the thumb extended upward to the "punch" we see nowadays? As a boy, I remember the thumb. Even Joey Gladstone used it in his "Cut. It. Out." routine.
Remember too that the umpire used to announce to the crowd the batteries for the game, as well as line up changes, pinch hitters, etc. No wonder "Silk" lost his voice!
Love your channel!! Would love to hear your take on Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays getting banned in 1980 for having appearances at Casinos.
I’ve never heard that story, but it sounds interesting, I’ll have to look into it!
Fascinating!
Baseball isn't the only game where umpires use hand signals; cricket umpires use hand signals to communicate their rulings to the people keeping score; the laws of cricket, however, don't describe the actual signals, they just state that the "umpire shall call and signal" (a wide delivery, for example). Of course, cricket umpires are a long way from the edge of the playing field where the scorers are, so hand signals make sense. I could imagine that they may have at least inspired or demonstrated the usefulness of signals in baseball
I clicked so unhumanly fast....
Ok
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They use to be a lot more animated with their body language. I miss that. Especially the 3 Karate punch 👊 called strike 3
Great vid.
I subscribed!
How could you forget Frank Debrin masterfull usage of signals and the introduction of a new one: to end a brawl and/or a discussion with a ".38 Special"
It's funny how politically correct we can be at times and this dude 100 years ago was nicknamed dummy and he was only deaf lmao like it doesn't even make sense
I notice umpires don’t put much emphasis on a strikeout swinging vs a strikeout looking but it would look silly to do that if it’s obvious to everyone that he’s out. I notice different signals for out where it’s a really close play the umpires use a punching motion because they sell the call. But when it isn’t close the umpire clenches the fist.
We had a tee ball and coach pitch umpire like the guy in the last shot. So, getting called out wasn’t as depressing as other games. It was quite amusing!
I like to think there exists a retreat where umpires go to find themselves through intense Umpire yoga and eye exercises and those clips were taken there.
What about the "out" and "safe" signals? Any info on their history?
The only thing missing in this video was Leslie Nielsen's umpiring in "The Naked Gun".
LOL exactly what I wanted to see
What roll if any did Luther "Dummy" Taylor play in all this? He was the 3rd Pitcher for the NYG between 1901 and 1910. Over shadowed of course by McGinnity and Matthewson. Incidentally, both he and Hoy were excellent at stealing the opposing teams signals due to the nature of their disability. Hoy who played CF, was the 2nd best base stealer of his era behind only the fleet footed Billy Hamilton. Taylor won 27 games in 1901 for the Giants in his best year. Taylor was also a card. He once went to coach 3rd base in a rain coat with goulashes and an umbrella in a game he felt should have been called for rain. Another time he went to the mound with a lantern when he felt it was to dark to play. Both Taylor and Hoy were legendary for their sign language tirades that they would unleash on umpires who knew they should be angry but didn't know why to the great amusement of the fans.
"And it looks like Earl Weaver is leaving the dugout to visit home plate. He may have a problem with the video......"
What about Enrico Pallazzo's contributions?
I scrolled through the comments to see if anyone remembered the legend of Enrico Pallazzo 👏🏼
@@signsofthepastime "Steeee-rike three-eeeee-eeeeee-eeeeee!"
🎶Rollin' down Imperial Highway.....🎶
1:25 idky this umpire dojo is so funny to me
I thought they were going to tell things like how and why spreading your arms out came to mean both "safe" and "no swing". I mean, what does that gesture have to do with being safe or not performing a full swing of the bat?
I hope one day you can make a video about Zack Greinke 😂
I hope one day I can make a video worthy of Zack Greinke
I have a request, do a vid on my fav ranger of all time Josh Hamilton
Fun fact setting up in the slot or off to the side of the catcher also keeps the umpire from getting hit by foul balls.
The primary problem is when professional baseball umpires got hired as softball umpires and the American softball association is completely different from MLB
In professional baseball most empires have a side motioned with their index finger pointing to the side that's a strike motion in professional softball or anything under the American softball association you're supposed to take a fist and then raise your right arm real slow and a quick fast motion for a strike call these are 2 different physical actions and when umpires in professional baseball had to be retrained To work softball they brought softball techniques back with them into professional baseball and it doesn't happen a whole lot any more but for many many years that was a problum
"the natural thing to do is to is twirl your finger in the air like you're giving an invisible giant a prostate exam." that's just brilliant writing and yet, so wrong at the same time.
How u sprain ur larynx
Remember when umpires actually verbally called strikes that you could hear on TV...
0:20
Oh so you're like me? My condolences.
If I am calling a strike. I think its like aiming a crossbow. Which seems appropriate. For some reason.
Do you think Hoy was like wth when he read the first newspaper article he was mentioned in and referred to as “Dummy”?
Angel needs to watch this and learn the proper situations to use them
Are those umpires off to join the army? Weird seeing hand signals taken so seriously
It makes sense an umpire would try and steal the glory from a deaf guy
I find it insane there was a time deaf people were called dummies as if they couldn't learn something as simple as hearing lol
I think it referred to deaf and dumb - dumb as in unable to speak. That's all that was referring to.
If I was the catcher that guy at the end would drive me crazy
Little would these umpires-in-training know just how overweight and out of shape they'd become from working in this profession
I would still rather have that umpire at the end more than Angel.
I’ve watched baseball my entire life and have never once wondered where they came from. Am I an npc?
You got a picture of Dummy Taylor, not Dummy Hoy.
I don’t think Bill realized how many strikes I’d steal strikes on the other corner that are clearly balls, but from the forced perspective thanks to Bill locating umpires to the opposite shoulder, it’s perceived as a stroke by the umpire.
Idiots.