She chose to start it over, even if almost everything turns out exactly the same there's still a chance that her friends can be saved, but in her own timeline there was no chance.
I don't think Irys arrived late but that she was always suppose to come to a destroyed world If you ever watch or look up Irys original intro and original song it was her music video (Caesura of Despair - Animation MV) and it shows a already destroyed city with no one around and everything having been grown over. She was always meant to come a destroyed world and fix it. This was also how she would be linked to the council as she's suppose to be a "Fallen One"(Nephilim) If you watch all of the Council's debut's it's Irys reading a introduction of the Council saying "The Manipulator is active once more. Even with the power of "The Gods," the destined end cannot be denied, and Fate is already sealed You may feel weak and helpless Thus, the council must not hesitate" With the council being supposed protectors / Speakers of that time line and everything that exists in it. AKA; Sana - Speaker of "Space", Fauna - Keeper of Nature, Kronii - Warden of Time, Mumei - Guardian of Civilization, and Bae - Chaos With it specifically ending with "World Administration is never an easy task" Now it can be that they've tried to help the time line by giving Ame the watch (time) and even having Kiara/Callie/Gura to watch over Ina or even that Ame is stopping an end that's suppose to happen but this is route I imagined it take
I think it was actually meant as a symbol about persisting hope. Even if the chances for Ina not to lose control are incredibly low, the Myth keeps trying every single time, and Ame makes the decision to roll the dice yet again, hoping this time it might work out. And it finally does.
IRyS lore fits perfectly for this story, the lyrics for "Caesura of despair", "Here comes Hope" explains the events of Bad End and what changed to have the good ending.
I recently noticed that during the part where Gura is diving down from the sky, two of the giant hands are just kind of cupping the orb that Calli and Kiara are trapped in, which then starts glowing. Maybe the reason Gura is able to get in so many good hits is because the entity controlling Ina has to split its attention between fighting and maintaining the pocket dimension?
Kinda late, but I think that's a good observation. Surely Calli and Kiara would be trying to escape from said dimension, so maybe the light it's actually Kiara's fire? It makes even more sense if you consider the attack that kills Ina and Gura to also be Kiara's, since you can kinda hear Kiara's screech at the time. Possibily, The Ancient One allowed that last attack to pass through the dimension, effectively using Kiara as a weapon. Also, even if Calli and Kiara are weaker than Gura (which I don't think so, but that's debatable), they lose way too quickly compared to Gura. So maybe they are indeed still fighting, but we just can't see it.
A few additional random thoughts and details : - You can also hear Ina's intro BGM on two occasions, one at the very beginning and one when Gura stands alone in front of the Ancient One's shadow in the clouds. - When Gura launches the shark fin attack, there's a nod to the Jaws' theme's instrumentation - There's another detail about the timer of the video, besides roughly matching the estimated age of the universe. At any point (including when the timeline is restarted) the current time and the total time of the video match exactly, which could be interpreted as a hint that the future is not set in stone, that the story isn't already written, and therefore, that Watson's loop sacrifices aren't futile : there IS the possibility of a way out. - Setting aside Mazu's tweet, the hint that we are currently in the "good" timeline is already there in the video. The events depicted in the video take place on september 13th 2022. Why would mentioning the date matter to the story ? Well, because the video was released on october 30th 2022 so anyone watching at anytime would already live in a reality where september 13th 2022 was in their past and didn't end up with the destruction of the world by the Ancient One or Ame rewinding the universe, proof that Ame finally found the way to the good end.
Things I realized/found out/forgot: I realized that the Watson that made the recording might be the second Watson. First Watson should not have any knowledge on what she will do (unless something tipped her off), the one who realized that it would be a futile and endless loop will be the second Watson. Edit: I am making another video for the whole holomyth lore (I am still researching and procrastinating)
I think rewinding the tape would not kill the person doing it , it allows one to travel back in time and that's what the first Watson did. But after too many rewinds, she still end up there at The End. Watson then deducted that it would be futile to rewinding THAT thing. So she went with the 2nd plan, hit the hard reset button or rather, rip out the film.
For my counter argument. I think what you said is half true. As I said in the video, one person is just the culmination of all their memories and as she basically pulled/destroyed her history, all that she was basically got killed off. However with her standing on some impossible place where everything is completely seperate from her reality/universe her body becomes a paradox on which she should be dead or does not exist but still needs a physical form on which she would phisically break the film. So instead of completely erasing her existence, that pocket universe tries to solve a paradox where her momories i.e. her whole being is gone, but not her phisical form. She (her body) quite literally forgot how to function, how to think, how to breathe. But then again... I might be completely off and you are the one that is right.
something i noticed through multiple rewatches is that, right before gura (or should i say gawr) smashes the ancient ones, they were doing the same thing that ended up sealing calli and kiara, so it's possible that the ancient ones tried to seal gura away. if they succeeded, ame would have not gotten enough time to reset the timeline. considering the sphere was starting to glow, we were maybe miliseconds away from a total defeat.
I actually believe it that was TOA having to force the seal on Calli and Kiara shut again. If you notice as Gura(Gawr) is falling down between two of the hands, the Orb the Calli and Kiara are sealed in is flashing white. I think that was how Gura managed to strike TOA hard enough to splatter her without being intercepted. Of course thats just my impression
I loved that he had the ancient ones use BFR (battle field removal) on calli and kiara, which is how comics usually handled battles between unstoppable/unkillable forces.
You basically nailed everything you noticed, so major kudos! I'm especially of the opinion that Ame's sacrifice was enough to summon IRyS, especially after what happened with the official Gura animation "Shark'd," where IRyS appears to Gura at a critical point in her life on shore to show her the tryouts for Hololive. It's logical to assume that, between this and the Gura-Ina flashback in this, Gura is the (in-universe) reason why Ina also joins Hololive and is able to find the balance necessary to keep AO-chan contained and appeased. Just a couple of things I want to mention right quick: - One possible reason why AO-chan was unable to defeat Gawr is related to the source of this connection: H. P. Lovecraft. While it may not be in his original book, apparently the Atlanteans have a connection to the Eldritch horror that is The Ancient One, especially due to being ruled over by the Greek god Poseidon - himself an ancient immortal. You see Gura, the last living member of Atlantis, summon Poseidon's trident in the animation, proving her own connection to the deity... although, as we plainly see, she is not a master of the ancient arts. This is why we see her use it as an enhancer, releasing the berserker Gawr to deal with The Ancient One for as long as possible (similar to the Hero's Water of Naruto or the Kaio-Ken or SSJ2.5 modes in DragonBall, which offer a temporary boost in power but have significant drawbacks due to the stress they put on the body). This explains why Gura transforms back after only a minute or so, and why AO-chan is only able to get the upper hand at this point. When you called this entire situation a Hail Mary, you were not kidding (especially because, despite being immortals, Kiara and Calli had absolutely no chance against such a being as The Ancient One, which transcends such concepts as death and rebirth). - The symbolism of Sana's flickering symbol. Most see it as a tribute to the first missing member of Council, but the lore goes a bit deeper than that. See, if you watch Sana's debut stream, you find out that she is a disciple of The Ancient One - not a priestess, as we clearly already have one, but someone with a close connection nonetheless. This makes sense when you consider the fact that the Eldritch horrors from Lovecraft are said to dwell within dark space, the emptiness between stars - she follows them in order to keep them in check. If you've ever played Mass Effect, you'll realize that this is not so dissimilar to the Reapers (especially when you have the conversation with Sovereign near the end of ME1). Anyway, this should make the flickering make even more sense, because if The Ancient One is on Earth then it means something happened to Sana to disrupt her control over space... and this is why the Council is not in the room: they are dealing with the fallout on their own end. Perhaps a bit of fatalism worked into the situation, especially when you consider the multiple Amelias... a hidden message from The Ancient One to Ame, that no matter what she does, it will find some way. This is why Ame destroying the timeline, rather than trying to rewind it, is such a powerful scene. Faced with such overwhelming odds, with voices of doubt and fate screaming to not do anything, Ame knows that there is a way, and the hints were all there for her to connect the dots. As ancient a being as AO-chan is, it is still a being that resides within time and space, and thus, the only counter is to destroy it herself by destroying the universe. While it will reform when the universe does, her hope lives on in this new timeline, which is why IRyS doesn't show up until the process of resetting the timeline begins - as the Avatar of Hope, she exists beyond time and space, and carries with her the very concept of Hope for all. Ame wished for a timeline where Ina would never fall into despair, into becoming a full-fledged puppet of The Ancient One... and IRyS provided that means by showing Gura the Hololive talent poster. Anyway, my apologies for the long-winded comment, but I hope you find it helpful nonetheless.
Thanks for making me aware of the Atlantean connection. On Sana's part, I can definitely see where you are getting at. To be completely honest I still can't make heads or tails on what the heck would be the power scaling on the whole thing is. HPLC makes it so that the eldritch beings are omnipotent and omniscient, but in HoloEn lore, it is implied that the Council is a step or two above the horrors. Lastly, I will just lay down and cry because if Ame actually warned the Council and enlisted the help of the Avatar of hove IRyS, then she would have the entirety of all her past failures and resets in her memories at that point. (make sense that she became the "helper?problem solver?" of HoloMyth/EN while still having a daredevil gremlin personality)
I think you should also analyse the animation HoloEN- Oddloop and their connection with Myth 's bad ending. If you connect the two, you will notice: 1/ That movie theater is owned by Kronii. Not the council. That is why it has devices that can affect the timeline and why Ame try to comeback to it because she stole the watch from that place. 2/ Both animations have game mechanics allow player to retry. And you will realize Ame is always the last one of Myth. Because she is the player herself. 3/ Myth's Bad ending seems like one of the early loops. The evidence is not too many corpses in the theater and in Oddloop there is a scene shows Ame was counting the amount of loops she had. 4/ This game seems also has a "counter or coalition" mechanic (when 2 characters have abilities counters each others but become very strong if they joins force). Oddloop shows this and kinda explains why Ina has a hard time when deal with Kiara - Calli coalition or Gura counter. 5/ Ame in Bad ending still had feelings and motivation but Ame in Oddloop already got used to pain and suffering. 5/ Ame would win when Kronii decided to step in, which allows to form Ame- IRyS coalition.
I have my eyes on that for a while now, but I am still making a compilation of all the holo en lore that I can find (strictly videos) and go from there. 1. My mind just went into frenzy when the animation dropped so I was only strictly speaking in the context of the video. I would still argue that the theater is owned by the council, I was in the impression that the fob watch was an artifact that Watson discovered on Earth (she had no ways to go to the theater in the first place unless Calli and Kiara helped her given that they knew that place existed in the first place) 2. In Oddloop it was retry, but in Mazu's animation, it was a reset. But I will chuck that up to something akin to the different contents of different versions of any old scriptures, I am basing the "real" events on Mazumaro's animations because I feel like the Oddloop is an artist rendition or a a dramatized version of the events. 3. What you said about the bad end as an early iteration of the loop might be right, but I still have to figure out how Ame was able to find out, or record all the things that she had done during the other loops. 999 | Hololive Animation by Crash Landing Studios practically gave her full control of the fob watch and I would like to know how. 4. I would again put this into the artistic rendition category, because when putting this into a "real life" scenario, "they are much more powerful as one" scenario will definitely come up. 5. Yes, when she can use the fob watch willy she basically just started on a "I do not want others to die, so I am going to do this alone" path in the 999 animation. 6. I think, I am going to have IRyS show up first before Kronii (per debut timetable) and then this what helps Ame convince Kronii and possibly the council to help her tame or jail the entity (the entity is a primordial being but still not as powerful as the very foundation of the world kinda deal)
@@kurokamiayatoVOD After put some thoughts about it, I agree that the theater may be owned by the Council, but I think Kronii is the manager of it (5 managers at once is weird). Clock symbol was put in the middle of the 5 when Ame looked up but Kronii is not the leader of the Council as we know. Ame didn't explain much of the lore except one time she told the watch makes strange noises (Ame noises) when it get activated. There is a clip Kronii asked Ame where did she get the watch but Ame cut off and disappeared (seems she agreed with the idea she stole the watch from Kronii so definitely the watch is not something on Earth)
@@compendium72 Now that you mentioned that, yeah, that theatre is definitely being managed by Kronii. I think I have the clip of it in the vid. But yeah, if Ame actually stole the watch, I need to find something that can explain how she did it, it will keep me up at night unless I do, also, I was under the impression that it was dug up somewhere after researching all around the world that became a family heirloom of some kind that only activated when it got in contact with the myth.
@@kurokamiayatoVOD After I re-watched the animation a few times and got more research, I came back here to tell you some details you might miss out: 1/ In the Multiverse of Madness like sequence, there is a scene of floating ash or snow. That actually a reference to the game Devil May Cry (the one that Gura fangirl over), just a nice detail. 2/ In that sequence, there is also a scene where the Moon come very close to Earth, which is the reference to the MV "High Tide" made by Moona. In that MV and also based on Moona 's explanation and confirmed lore, there is a scene show the Moon Goddess (the one gave Moona power) did combat against the Ancient One (the entity that controls and possess Ina). We still don't know this battle happens before or after the event in Myth Bad Ending though because the Moon Goddess won based on the Moona 's lore. 3/ I heard somewhere that the battle between the Moon Goddess and Ancient One leading to the destruction of Atlantis (home of Gura)
It is probably a step up from Cuthulu but just a step down from the council. But then again Calli and Kiara held their own. Also... now that you mentioned Calli and Kiara, they were put into a sub space where I guess they were in suspended in time or something... might bethe reason how Watson was able to break the cycle at a later loop. Edit: I just had an epiphany due to your comment.
@@kurokamiayatoVOD The Ancient One (AO-chan) would be a step above Council, since Sana is also a priestess of the Ancient Ones. Hinting that the Ancient Ones pre-date the universe.
@@Vasharan I was under the impression that Sana is a preistess and also a guardian? Council lore kinda inferred that they were incorporeal beings given form due to something that happened. Having said that, i have this weird itch in the back of my mind on how their strengths differ that I really want to get into.
@@kurokamiayatoVOD That something that happened was the conflict between the concepts. Like Nature and Civilization and most notably Space and Time, since as the "Omen" Official PV states Spaces did not agree with Time's tyranny over living beings, so the Gods (which I see as some of the AOs) gave them avatars and responsibility which was to be enforced and managed by Chaos
Hmm I don't think the Ancient one is anywhere near the Council. The Council exists in the movie theater, meaning they have control over timespace (move the time bar in the video). They exist as beings in a dimension level above the dimension the AO and Kiara are in. The concept is quite similar to the one used in the movie Interstellar.
what I took away from the first Watson recording was someone that wanted to give up but knew she couldn't. There have been times when I have faced a tough situation and I'm like this is too hard I'm quitting but I don't I kept at it.
Nice perspective. I guess I was thinking too much of the futility of the situation and got swept by Watson's "you are also me afterall" that I got optimistic vibes.
All we need now is an Ame and Kronii or Ame and Irys cover of oddloop Asides from that, I love how the community built up the lore for the talents as time went on, the talents embraced it, and we got interactions like the one Ame and Kronii had
In the part of the message on the phone I don't think it was the first Amelia but the second. The first tried to reset the time and died, the second arrived there saw the body of the first and understood that the plan to reset the time would not work and so left the message in an attempt to get one of the next Amélias to try something different or just give up, what did not happen. But it doesn't change the fact that I cried a lot in this animation, it's too perfect.
I like to imagine that the colored world that Ame traveled to is the Holo Alternative Timeline due to how it looks just as gorgeously colorful as the Alternative cinematics.
I haven't watched EEAAO and it's my first time hearing about it so it would've been nice to hear more on what others "immediately recognized" overall though nice breakdown, love the tweet insert about the good ending it was a nice touch.
Yeah, I was too hasty with the EEAAO reference that I actually forgot that the movie had the worst PR team ever. Thank you for your thoughts. I'll be more careful next time XD
I don't think Pre-recorded Ame lied necessarily. It's true; she had arrived to the End, her friends were dead, and there was nothing she could do to bring HER friends back. But, she could break the universe, and restart it with new Kiara, Calli, Gura, Ina, and Ame. I also like to imagine Pre-recorded Ame didn't advise to restart the universe because she herself had given up at that point, but then, obviously, she decided to do what every Ame will always do until her friends are saved. I also don't think Pre-recorded Ame was the first or even the second. I feel like she must have been a few iterations older Ame where she could observe that her previous attempts have failed multiple times, and rewinding the time won't fix anything.
yeah, I fully agree that pre-rec Ame was not the first, one commenterarbitrarily said its Ame #69, so I am going to roll with that. Also, on the "lied" part, I was in the notion that Ame lied to herself that there is no more hope in changing the things that happened and it is much better to give up. Then the Ame that we are watching called the bluff because she was there, the pre-rec Ame did not believe on the "lie" either.
Wonderfully depicted the key beauties of Myth's Bad Ending. So glad that there is a video spreading the amazing details of their work. Wish your video reach to millions more viewers. A side note, my personal favorite from the movie, that you didn't mention, is the implementation of Ina's loading BGM on the various occations. (the start 0:17, and when Ina holds the Fork 3:05 from the Offical Soundtrack ruclips.net/video/xJMQ4Zaynrs/видео.html&ab_channel=DarylVanessaBarnes%F0%9F%8E%B5) . It sounds like Ina's consciousness was also struggling. We the viewers are waiting for the normal Ina to return, just like when we have always been waiting during the loading scene.
I did not know that they put out the official soundtrack. Thank you for pointing that out. I was just going in raw and listening while listing the things that I noticed. Also. Thank you! I will do my best for the next video.
Some other theories that have been circulating around. Sana had a reference to seeing the forbidden truth and becoming an apostle of the ancient ones. Reference to in her debut. Her symbol glitching can also be related to an ancient one walking the Earth. Gura being Atlantean and how Lovecraft's lore talks about Atlanteans fighting the Eldritch gods. This could explain why Gura was more effective at dealing with possessed Ina in her red form, boosted by the power of the Trident. At the end Ame does what Ina said. "Try again. Try a little harder and you just might win".
Basically, the good ending is the one where ame of our universe realized long before the events of the worlds annihilation by ina, that the only way to stop it from ever happening is to fix loose ends caused by the manifestation of time (being the movie theater) which were the 5 symbols representing the holocouncil. even if ame tried to get help from kronii or the other council members, the same result would occur, so what she did was follow the clue in the movie theater instead, the glitching symbol of sana, which itself was glitching in the same way as the playback of the video projection. So ame convinced sana to properly & lovingly say her goodbyes to everybody in holomyth and holocouncil, most importantly to ina herself. Thereby averting the disaster completely.. by allowing ina to have closure and relief for sana and not be consumed by guilt or depression (which was the likely trigger for azathoth's awakening). We are literally living the good ending because ina didnt allow herself to succumb to madness and insanity. (which im really happy for her, but also kind of envious.. since it wasnt that easy for me)
I don not know what happened, but I am glad that at you have gone and won over the things that you faced. The past is the past, we are now living in this moment, but do not forget it, for your sake and the people around you. On a lighter note... Thanks for the insight, I might have completely blocked out the information that Sana has already graduated, thank you for reminding me, also, I am probably digging into this lore more than I can chew. I just hope that I can make it coherent... eventually.
@@kurokamiayatoVOD thanks a lot for your words of encouragement, it happened around 11 or 12 years now, and was a really dark time in my early highschool life. I'm probably never going to forget it for as long as i live even if i wanted to, and it will always haunt me, but i've at least recovered from it (mostly). Everyone has regrets from highschool or college so i'm definitely not alone in this chat lmao. Anyway i wanted to add regarding my theory is that, the one who most likely tipped the 1st ame off was kronii, because kronii is a being that exists outside of space-time and is the timekeeper. If something happened to time, she would immediately know. In the first incident it was the breaking of the space-time continuum (noted by the glitching playback of the video) that alerted her, which made her rush to the source of time (the movie theater) where she found ame, there she told ame that there was nothing that she could do since ame's timepiece broke time, preventing time from reversing or forwarding, it was stuck forever. And so kronii said ame should just stay put and hold on to the time she has left, before leaving to find some kind of way to fix time. Then ame realized that if she couldnt change time, she would instead reset it back to zero, since time was born from space, and space was born from the universal constant, the big bang. She left a recording on her phone for all future ame's, and sacrificed herself to reset time, giving yet another chance for redemption.. and another.. and another.. and another.. until the movie theater was littered with cold bodies of ame. (actual nightmare fuel...), with each reset being greeted by kronii's horrified face as she saw ame's bodies piling up with each attempt, succumbing to madness. and then ame of this video realized something, of the 5 symbols of the holocouncil, sana's was glitching. "Was this the cause of the glitching of the video..? If so then..." and it clicked, ame recorded her findings on her smartphone, leaving it for whoever tipped off the 1st ame (she may have guessed that kronii would come) and sacrificed herself once again, that they have one last chance for salvation. Kronii appeared, and was once more horrified into madness.. but then she noticed the 2nd smartphone next to the 1st, with the message that reads... *̷̨͙̬̕͠"̷̝̝̂̋͜S̵̥̫̓a̶͎͈̾͝ͅṅ̸͈̞̲͉̄̊͝a̵̭͐̇ ̵̬͍͈̊͋ȉ̴͈̱̃̓͝s̴͈͖̓ ̴͎̠̗̎̓̉t̴̡̗̜̠̏͗͊̿h̸ė̷͎̹̝̳͒́̀ ̸̧́́͘͠k̴̜̓e̸̳̘̒̔͝y̵͍̅̑̓̃"̷̜͆͋.̸̲̗̠͍̔̅̂*̵̰̤̲̈́̃̊ͅ
@@chloekaftan This is why I love the HoloEN lore. So many possibilities, so much things to know. As I have said again and again... this will complicate the already complicated things that I have been researching. I hope luck is on my side...
um i am not any expert on lovecraftian lore but i don't think thats how azathoth's awakening works. the whole of reality every reality, every universe, dimension, and timeline, is all a part of Azathoth's dream. it only exists while he is asleep. the moment azathoth awakes the dream ends as does reality as we know it. to conceptualize it on a smaller scale if you have ever played the game Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening then SPOILER BELOW LAST WARNING SPOILER OK so the link after getting shipwrecked at sea washes up on the beach of an island and is found by a kind girl marina this island and the poeple living on it is a manifestation of the dream of the slumbering windfish. when you wake the windfish the windfish stops dreaming and as the island and its poeple were a manifestation of that dream they also cease to exist now that the dream is over. the entire island disappears into nothing. OUR REALITY and everything in it is that island. and AZATHOTH is the Windfish.
@@dawnseeker176 I think Ina's lore is only heavily inspired by Lovecraft and it is not explicitly stated that she is harboring Az. Unless explicitly said somewhere I will just put it as AO-chan (ancient one-chan) and nothing else. But if this is actually the case, holy lovecraft batman, she is just basically the "One true god" in holomyth lore.
My headcanon is that whatever possessed Ina was an anomaly cause by the disruption of time and space being that flickering space symbol the slow and expected disappearance of the concept of space made the world unstable. Ina as an otherworldly being was an easy target for such an anomaly.
Rather than a being of nearly infinite power, it might have been something that was not supposed to be in the realm in the first place huh... That is something to consider.
For me, the first video when Ame started to kneel down is the exact first Ame of Myth's Bad Ending and those multiple video shorts that are being released are the number when Ame tried to reverse everything
I never see anyone mention it but this takes place the day after Myths 2nd Anniversary. Also the theater video looks like it's RUclips. You can see the end of video time and Ame paused time right at the last split second before the video ends. This may be when everything was suppose to end as it's counting from the beginning of time itself. Also, to me, we live the good ending and that could be in part that Council came into play. First to arrive was Hope in Iryes then the others. To me they have helped stop the loop and the end of everything.
I think the ames combined hope (or maybe just the last ame's hope) that things will change brought irys, causing a change that allowed the now happening good end.
Actually I believe it's not the first Watson who made the message, but the second, or maybe the one right before her. Here is how it went: First Watson found out that they could try to rewind time (not just time travel to another period, but delete a timeline from the end to a certain point, like undoing it) and she did so. She did her job and died. Second Watson arrived and saw the body. It didn't take long for her to understand she's not the first one to come here, and to understand what will happen: The world will endlessly repeat itself. Is it worth trying again? And as the gamer she is she decide to press the "RETRY" button. If it's the second Watson, she made the message to bring confusion to over Watsons, so they can understand that they shouldn't give up (so the message indeed is telling the opposite of what it says), which leads to what we see. Oooor it could have been the Watson before her: she witnessed that they constantly failed, maybe the timeline was only reset to a certain point of the time, which leads to other timelines. She understood that just repeatedly doing the same thing is basically putting their fate to luck (but also not luck, because in the new timeline Ame could also not have enough time to do the time travel, unless she takes the risk to go somewhere else) and that resetting to a certain point won't do it, so she decided to make the message to the next Ame, so she makes the choice not to rewind, but to completely reset it, creating a totally different timeline. The reason she didn't do it herself might be she didn't have the guts maybe if we accept the last Watson theory. Basically, if you prefer to believe something more optimistic and less problematic, the first theory could be more fitting for you. However, if you want to make it more complicated, and make it more difficult, second could be the one, but I like both theories
1. I believe that the watch that Watson has is actually a second watch made. The first, I suspect was given to an old man who only uses it once a year to slow or stop time, not change it. Although Watson stole the watch, Kronii I suspect could easily take the watch back at anytime, hasn't because Watson uses it proficiently and only for good, she doesn't muddy up the timeline or leaves it all tangled up. 2. About a month or two after Gura's debut I began to suspect there is a lot of her lore that doesn't add up. She has holes in her memory and also there are things she won't talk about even with Watson, even going so far as to change the topic if pressed. She is classified as a Myth, but seems grossly under powered compared to her Myth sisters. I always felt that she always holds back on purpose. Gura may or may not realize she's doing it but I'm sure Gwar knows and remembers. I suspect in Gura's past that her power was so immense that it scared people so badly that even her friends and family abandoned her and treated her like a monster. We all know that Gura has abandonment issues from some tragedy. I suspect that way why Gwar always tried to keep her isolated and was so harsh with Gura. She honestly was trying to prevent Gura from going through that again. I think I figured out Gura's forgotten past and who she was before, but that's a long story for another time. I feel like in this fight Gura realized that if she didn't use her real powers she was going to loose her friends anyway, she decided that if she was going to loose her Myth sisters anyways she might as well make sure they at least lived. 3. I have no doubt that Watson has seen herself and parallel Watsons dead many times. I am sure every time it takes a piece of her sanity, but she always have to keep going.
Considering Kiara is a phoenix, Calli is a reaper apprentice, and Gura is a shark girl, while Ina is a priestess that has called upon the Old Ones, if anything I'd say everyone was highballed to be able to stand against Ina.
Man... you breakdown this animation A LOT and I didn't not see or hear for the most of them. Especially the Ina's hair when the entity is out from her body, the time on the live stream projector stuff, Irys at the zoom out to the whole Earth, and the music for each characters. Nonetheless, good theory tho...
Thks for making these points. The point about Ina being reverted to her human form I hadn't caught. This really changes how I look at her 'mello-ness'. Maybe she can't have those strong emotions due to this happening. Maybe she's actually a cage & gateway... didn't really put much thought into the theater scene... but after you pointed that out I realized that this was Kroni's domain. Which is why her symbol is centered over the projector. Now your point about Sana's symbol glitching maybe a nod, but I think that it was glitching because that universe (timeline) was dying. Though I'm beginning to think it was glitching simply because SpaceTime was paused.. something 'unnatural'.
I like to think that council is holding back the outsider and it is taking all of their power and attention to do so, and the outsider still gets a little power through, which is still enough to decimate some of the most powerful entities on earth. Sana even had to sacrifice herself to hold space together with the intrusion, now existing only as a concept without form. Part of this, of course, is the despair of seeing her best friend being overtaken by the outsider.
I 100% believe that the countless Ame's sacrificing themselves and the universe for their friends, to try again is what gave birth to IRyS, which, with the birth of the personification of Hope itself changed the outcome of the events by either directly or indirectly creating Hololive, which seems to keep AO-chan satisfied (at least for now). The biggest clue to this comes from the very last 1/2 second of animation that almost no one seems to watch. At the very end, after the credits, the camera pans to a monitor that's showing a "Game Over" screen, with a "Retry" and "Quit" options. Someone (presumably Ame) selects "Retry"! The universe restarts, IRyS is borne, the future is changed and fate is defeated. That's my theory anyway.
There was a theory where a version of Ame survived and failed in the end, and to honour her friends, she took up each of their sacred items as a memento and went to battle each holo council to recreate a perfect world where bad end didn't happen but fall short every time because of Kronii and because of her strong feelings, will and determination the manifestation of irys and omega became real in the physical world to stop her and put Ame to rest where once and for all she can finally have her peace and meet her friends once again in a new reality and now the current ame having that watch is a reminder of what happened even though the Current Ame is oblivious to
The phone recording was left by the second Watson. The first Watson thought there was still a chance to save her friends. The second one knew there wasn’t, but there was a chance to save another her’s friends. The third and onward knew that it was probably hopeless, but did it anyway. The final Watson, the one before ours, vindicated all the others.
if i may, ive given some little thought as to why AO-chan would wreck calli/kiara. Ancient ones dont die. like, i may be mixing two seprate sets of lore, but most "eldritch beings" are based on the works of hp lovecraft to some degree. "That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die." they are literally beyond death. it makes sense why callie (death), and kiara (pheonix, often a symbol of rebirth), would have no power over ina (eldritch being). she slaps them aside, because they cant really do anything to her.
My man, thank you for the reaction, I really enjoyed it. If I had one criticisism, please work on your tags, you should absolutely include the original title of the video + reaction, since I only found your video through recommendation and not through search.
thing is they didn't lowball calli and kiara's power. its just ina is that broken. the ancient ones are that broken. also ina couldn't hurt the ancient one. only hinder its control over her for the moment as in the long run the ancient one would regain control of ina, but rather than dealing with ina's crap the ancient one decided it was easier and quicker to dispose of both ina and gura. gura was already completely spent and ina was just a human without the ancient ones.
yes, AO is broken as frick, I agree on that end with Calli and Kira just being an annoyance for AO, but in the terms of Ina not being able to handle AO herself, but now that I remembered something. (ruclips.net/video/2oc4di4E60o/видео.html) On April 2nd, 2022 the "Observer" showed up on the stream. From what I saw the Observer and Ina are friends or somewhat knows each other right? Being with how casual the Observer calls Ina. The Observer said "Ina's world as is, I basically created that..." but before that she said "I borrowed some power from AO-chan" which kinda contradicts it having that much power to create an entire universe, but can't pull us into where she is, also as Lovecraftian lore dictates, any being who are given power will pay some price (paraphrased). But she did not seem to mind anything, she is even so casual about it that she is laughing throughout the whole thing This is might be AO-chan's "pure" soul that has been separated from the main body/main source of power that is the Necronomicon or AO-chan (power always corrupts so it was separated). They probably had the council do something about that as the Observer said that in her current form, she is not anywhere as strong as the Council, but was really vague on her true strength as she is a mere "Medium". OR The Observer is a step above AO and the Council's powers, but is stopping/protecting/fighting something from reviving or forming in the "Other Void" that she is in. The surrounding time has been stopped and with the big ass monolith at the background, which is definitely holding something supernatural is practically a dead giveaway, and although she said she is just an observer, there would be no reason for her to be in a place where time has stopped and can only be described as a void. "Ina should not know that I exist, or does she" the Observer also had some interesting dialogue on which she insinuated that she is basically Ina's alter in that world. By her figure alone, she is practically a white version of Ina. If any of the scenarios are true, it would not be surprising that Ina at a young age exhibits some power that is so potent she needed Ane-niss around her the whole time. One scenario might be true, or both are, or none of what I said is concrete at all. but this is just a theory, a HoloTheory... AAANd, I don't want to get copyright claimed lol
The theater might be The Council Observatory where they peek into the world....And the Big question that's on my mind is why The Council not there?....i know this animation just for The Myth but come on man....hahahaha🤣🤣🤣
IKR??? I kinda wanted to say for sure that it is something like that, but with only the symbols representing them there, I kinda went into a frenzy into thinking that Watson was the reason for the universe creating such a room.
Idk if this will answer why the council is not there, but here's my theory. Tinfoil hat on. The council, is already existed. Maybe existed along with AO-Chan. They dont only manage Our Universe. They govern so much universe that this only like blip in their radar. It's seems to be cruel and cold by the council, but it actually makes sense in my own head that The Council doesnt have any attachment to Myth Members like today. What change that? It was Irys descended. A "Hope" that born from the perseverance of single human being who doesnt want any other timeline, another version, the #AmeWay or no way at all. She and "others" Ame's keep nuking the universe in hope for another way, in hope for a chance and this humanly perseverance, idk how much attempt Ame's try, finally manifested and born to bring hope, descend to Earth and start guiding perhaps each of other members (Which the confirmed one is Irys is guiding Gura to join Hololive in Shark'd Video, dont know about the others members). This Guidance then trigger The Council to manifested too and join Hololive. Hope for me is like undying flame, it will snuffed out, but it will reignite again. Thats why The Council is decided to manifested too and to make sure what exactly is "Hope" doing in this universe after so many times it doesnt appear at all. So yeah, i agree with Mazu statement, we are the good ending. Through multiple sacrifice of one single human who doesnt want any other way except her way and created a "Hope" in the process and triggering all of other event and we pass the "Doom" scenario by AO-chan in the world without hope. A Myth Lore born from rejecting doom and clinging on that one chance, for a better result, via that one particular Detective/Drug Dealer/Shroom expert, bringing Hope to guide and Council to monitor them and thats what make AO-Chan, a wise/horror incarnate being it is, to think through again what it actually planned. It's not my theory tho. I just jumbled all the comment from every clip talking about this and just assemble it as i fit in my brain. *tinfoil off
the universe isnt perfect imperfection is what allowed everything to exist. we all know how the big bang is thought to happen (its more of a great expansion then a bang anyways) everything moving out in all directions all at the same speed, however some matter was missing in spots for unknown reasons allowing matter to clump up through gravity forming the first stars. those first stars lead to the creation of everything we know. now i told you all of this to point out the multiverse idea that when a new universe is created it isnt going to be the same as its predecessor or branched universe (the former being the case here) so while alot of things will be the same the imperfections that stem from the very start of everything will cascade and accumulate over the many restarts eventually leading to the good ending.
Oh boy, this was great. Would you mind checking out Holo-Chronicles by Kugeki Animations? That is also just... ULTRA GODLY, if perhaps in a different way. I personally love all the lore and world-building in that, it's absolutely bonkers how in-depth Kugeki gets with that stuff. Of course, the action is great too.
I am glad you liked the video. I am studying up on how animation and how fight scenes/choreography works so that I can try and get as much good points on the Kugeki animations. I would love to do breakdowns of it but the current me can't even comprehend the technicality of how those animation works. I would be like "wow this looks cool" or "OHMAIGHADICAN'TEVENTHINKOFANYTHINGGOODTOSAY" if I make a video out of it now, so yeah.
1. I don't think Ame was doing this in order to save her friends only. There were a reason they started a fight, obviously. Supposedly that entity that was unleashed would probably destroy the whole world (in a spirit of Lovecraftian enitites), and that's why Cali and Kiara were trying to stop Ina. So I wouldn't say that Ame was egoistic wiping out the whole universe just to save here friends. She was trying to save everyone. By the way, the absence of any another people right before and during the battle might mean that humans were already... dead or erased or absorbed or whatever that thing does. ---- That calculating thingy doesn't had to do anything with EEAAO necessarily. You can find more or less similar "interface" in a bunch of carttons, movies, games. I mean even crappy Assasins Creed had something similar in the ending (they were also trying to calculate "best route"). I kinda understand that "everything is a Jojo reference", but in reality - it's not )) After all, it's about "timelines", "routes", "connected events" etc If you spent some time thinking you'll probably end up with something similar (if you ever tried to draw manga for example) Also EEAAO idea (about moving conciousness) is not applicable here, since Mazumaro directly says that it's about erasing current universe and creating a new one. THIS Watson will die. Absolutely. And the next Watson could be almost the same, having identical experience, or she could be different, depending on how different those universes will be. But it will be ANOTHER Watson. Not the same one with just a different body. And that's why her sacrifice is so significant. Seems like Mazumaro takes "physical" approach in that regard. Another proof is the record from Ame, where she exaplain it exaclty in "physical" manner: even if you can possibly save the world and your friends... that would be not really your world and not your friends. Absoulte copies. While previous world is indeed vanished, and friends are dead. ---
I thought that the "save the universe by restarting it" was already a gioven so I did not point it out and just made it more personal for Ame (she is practically the big sis of the group and all). I do think that I did not handle the EEAAO reference that I did in the video as well as I should have. In my head I was only going to reference it as a visual part, but then it cascaded into explaining it because the movie was not as popular and all that. EEAAO verse jumps were the closest thing that I could remember that looked visually the same when I wrote this. So what is the point of saying what you said? Can you give the tweet or something when you said "... Mazumaro directly says that it's about erasing current universe and creating a new one." I would like use it as a reference (unless it is from the HoloMyth VS Ina video). Also, the new universe with the new Ame and things... I think that is a given already? You were just repeating the things said in the vid, so can you explain it better? Lastly, I believe that I had referenced another time and space traveling device there? I do not know why you keep coming back to the passing EEAAO reference that I made. It is a reference, might be from Mazu, might not. Lastly, I highly agree on the last part where the Ame that we watched have made a significant sacrifice. Although I think she gained respite to the fact that the things that had happened will have a chance to not happen at all, and rather than thinking "this is the end, I am so sad" I think what she had more in mind was "whelp this is for a better past/present/future" when she said "You are me after all"... well that is what I would like to think.
By that, I think the others should also glitch alongside Sana, I think its i just a wink wink, nudge nudge thinggamajig done by Mazumaro. but lorewise, yeah, "something has happened that is why she is unable to manifest" could explain why there are so many of these "Non-human" are in on our Universe... Now that is interesting
@@kurokamiayatoVOD remember that Sana canonically answers to the Ancient Ones, so if they go wild Sana would too, also, time has stopped, Time-Space goes together for a reason, so maybe freezing time doesn't affect Kronii since she is supposed to be the one managing it, but does affect Sana since she cant "continue". Also if the AO control space, it would make sense why a being that is above a Council member got time stopped mid attack, they are still subjective to Space-Time.
@@Blue_Spirit7 again by that reasoning nature chaos and civilization should also be glitching too but instead only Space is glitching. But I wholly agree that something happened to Space that is why the AO was able to manifest. For the time stopping mid attack, I think that is just the effect of the fob watch that Watson used in conjunction of Watson going into the theater which probably glitched out the whole system (ala paradox)
I can see Watson #69 or the current one we know may have destroyed this timeline for said reason... there's no hope to save this timeline so she decided to destroy it and go to the timeline we're apart of and made a secret vow on not to talk about it ever again
Is this the good ending, or are we about to go down another bad ending? Hmm... Also, I think that the creator of this story misssed a small flourish. Ame ends up in a movie theater, with all those seats, but none of the previous Ame's were sitting in them? Would have been a much stronger moment if Ame looked up and down the rows of corpses that had all been seated in the chairs, rather than a small group of corpses around the stairs. Instead, there'd just be a single corpse, which Ame would eventually move to an empty seat before dying herself.
one, I'd hate the thought of that the one that we are experiencing right now is not the good (on progress) ending two, yeah, that was missed, but I guess I can still understand how abrupt it would feel when our consciousness just get snuffed out in a heartbeat. three... that proposed, ending is much sadder and I don't want to think about it.
Well... There's always a different outcomes rather than binary ends. If we ever able to see all of the timelines that happened in real times, then this one may be neutral or twisted ending.
I have. Though I don't really have that much of a grasp on how fight scenes works in a technical/"how can I make this interesting to talk about" level so I just stick to the things that I know how to explain... barely.
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She chose to start it over, even if almost everything turns out exactly the same there's still a chance that her friends can be saved, but in her own timeline there was no chance.
The part of Irys arriving too late in the battle only made me sad after I realized it.
Interesting take on that
she had to descend 3 times, of course she would be late
I don't think Irys arrived late but that she was always suppose to come to a destroyed world
If you ever watch or look up Irys original intro and original song it was her music video (Caesura of Despair - Animation MV) and it shows a already destroyed city with no one around and everything having been grown over.
She was always meant to come a destroyed world and fix it.
This was also how she would be linked to the council as she's suppose to be a "Fallen One"(Nephilim)
If you watch all of the Council's debut's it's Irys reading a introduction of the Council saying
"The Manipulator is active once more.
Even with the power of "The Gods," the destined end cannot be denied, and
Fate is already sealed
You may feel weak and helpless
Thus, the council must not hesitate"
With the council being supposed protectors / Speakers of that time line and everything that exists in it. AKA; Sana - Speaker of "Space", Fauna - Keeper of Nature, Kronii - Warden of Time, Mumei - Guardian of Civilization, and Bae - Chaos
With it specifically ending with "World Administration is never an easy task"
Now it can be that they've tried to help the time line by giving Ame the watch (time) and even having Kiara/Callie/Gura to watch over Ina or even that Ame is stopping an end that's suppose to happen but this is route I imagined it take
She never arrived late she was always supposed to come to the destroyed world.
I think it was actually meant as a symbol about persisting hope. Even if the chances for Ina not to lose control are incredibly low, the Myth keeps trying every single time, and Ame makes the decision to roll the dice yet again, hoping this time it might work out. And it finally does.
IRyS lore fits perfectly for this story, the lyrics for "Caesura of despair", "Here comes Hope" explains the events of Bad End and what changed to have the good ending.
oh frick, I forgot to include their original OP. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA this is just too much for my meager brain.
I recently noticed that during the part where Gura is diving down from the sky, two of the giant hands are just kind of cupping the orb that Calli and Kiara are trapped in, which then starts glowing. Maybe the reason Gura is able to get in so many good hits is because the entity controlling Ina has to split its attention between fighting and maintaining the pocket dimension?
Kinda late, but I think that's a good observation. Surely Calli and Kiara would be trying to escape from said dimension, so maybe the light it's actually Kiara's fire? It makes even more sense if you consider the attack that kills Ina and Gura to also be Kiara's, since you can kinda hear Kiara's screech at the time. Possibily, The Ancient One allowed that last attack to pass through the dimension, effectively using Kiara as a weapon.
Also, even if Calli and Kiara are weaker than Gura (which I don't think so, but that's debatable), they lose way too quickly compared to Gura. So maybe they are indeed still fighting, but we just can't see it.
A few additional random thoughts and details :
- You can also hear Ina's intro BGM on two occasions, one at the very beginning and one when Gura stands alone in front of the Ancient One's shadow in the clouds.
- When Gura launches the shark fin attack, there's a nod to the Jaws' theme's instrumentation
- There's another detail about the timer of the video, besides roughly matching the estimated age of the universe. At any point (including when the timeline is restarted) the current time and the total time of the video match exactly, which could be interpreted as a hint that the future is not set in stone, that the story isn't already written, and therefore, that Watson's loop sacrifices aren't futile : there IS the possibility of a way out.
- Setting aside Mazu's tweet, the hint that we are currently in the "good" timeline is already there in the video. The events depicted in the video take place on september 13th 2022. Why would mentioning the date matter to the story ? Well, because the video was released on october 30th 2022 so anyone watching at anytime would already live in a reality where september 13th 2022 was in their past and didn't end up with the destruction of the world by the Ancient One or Ame rewinding the universe, proof that Ame finally found the way to the good end.
Things I realized/found out/forgot:
I realized that the Watson that made the recording might be the second Watson. First Watson should not have any knowledge on what she will do (unless something tipped her off), the one who realized that it would be a futile and endless loop will be the second Watson.
Edit: I am making another video for the whole holomyth lore (I am still researching and procrastinating)
Could have been any Watson. I would guess it was Watson #69
@@superitgel1 I like how you think
I think rewinding the tape would not kill the person doing it , it allows one to travel back in time and that's what the first Watson did. But after too many rewinds, she still end up there at The End. Watson then deducted that it would be futile to rewinding THAT thing. So she went with the 2nd plan, hit the hard reset button or rather, rip out the film.
For my counter argument. I think what you said is half true. As I said in the video, one person is just the culmination of all their memories and as she basically pulled/destroyed her history, all that she was basically got killed off. However with her standing on some impossible place where everything is completely seperate from her reality/universe her body becomes a paradox on which she should be dead or does not exist but still needs a physical form on which she would phisically break the film. So instead of completely erasing her existence, that pocket universe tries to solve a paradox where her momories i.e. her whole being is gone, but not her phisical form.
She (her body) quite literally forgot how to function, how to think, how to breathe.
But then again... I might be completely off and you are the one that is right.
My guess would be not one of the first 10 Amelias. She would need a good enough sample size of failures, to think of making that recording.
something i noticed through multiple rewatches is that, right before gura (or should i say gawr) smashes the ancient ones, they were doing the same thing that ended up sealing calli and kiara, so it's possible that the ancient ones tried to seal gura away. if they succeeded, ame would have not gotten enough time to reset the timeline. considering the sphere was starting to glow, we were maybe miliseconds away from a total defeat.
I actually believe it that was TOA having to force the seal on Calli and Kiara shut again. If you notice as Gura(Gawr) is falling down between two of the hands, the Orb the Calli and Kiara are sealed in is flashing white. I think that was how Gura managed to strike TOA hard enough to splatter her without being intercepted. Of course thats just my impression
I thought the AO were using calli and kiara as a power source. It seemed to get stronger after trapping calli and kiara.
Also, nice touch that we saw the line about “world wipe” before and people think it is about Ina. But it was about Ame.
The film representing the timeline, may also be a little like episode 6 of the anime Sonny Boy.
I loved that he had the ancient ones use BFR (battle field removal) on calli and kiara, which is how comics usually handled battles between unstoppable/unkillable forces.
You basically nailed everything you noticed, so major kudos! I'm especially of the opinion that Ame's sacrifice was enough to summon IRyS, especially after what happened with the official Gura animation "Shark'd," where IRyS appears to Gura at a critical point in her life on shore to show her the tryouts for Hololive. It's logical to assume that, between this and the Gura-Ina flashback in this, Gura is the (in-universe) reason why Ina also joins Hololive and is able to find the balance necessary to keep AO-chan contained and appeased.
Just a couple of things I want to mention right quick:
- One possible reason why AO-chan was unable to defeat Gawr is related to the source of this connection: H. P. Lovecraft. While it may not be in his original book, apparently the Atlanteans have a connection to the Eldritch horror that is The Ancient One, especially due to being ruled over by the Greek god Poseidon - himself an ancient immortal. You see Gura, the last living member of Atlantis, summon Poseidon's trident in the animation, proving her own connection to the deity... although, as we plainly see, she is not a master of the ancient arts. This is why we see her use it as an enhancer, releasing the berserker Gawr to deal with The Ancient One for as long as possible (similar to the Hero's Water of Naruto or the Kaio-Ken or SSJ2.5 modes in DragonBall, which offer a temporary boost in power but have significant drawbacks due to the stress they put on the body). This explains why Gura transforms back after only a minute or so, and why AO-chan is only able to get the upper hand at this point. When you called this entire situation a Hail Mary, you were not kidding (especially because, despite being immortals, Kiara and Calli had absolutely no chance against such a being as The Ancient One, which transcends such concepts as death and rebirth).
- The symbolism of Sana's flickering symbol. Most see it as a tribute to the first missing member of Council, but the lore goes a bit deeper than that. See, if you watch Sana's debut stream, you find out that she is a disciple of The Ancient One - not a priestess, as we clearly already have one, but someone with a close connection nonetheless. This makes sense when you consider the fact that the Eldritch horrors from Lovecraft are said to dwell within dark space, the emptiness between stars - she follows them in order to keep them in check. If you've ever played Mass Effect, you'll realize that this is not so dissimilar to the Reapers (especially when you have the conversation with Sovereign near the end of ME1). Anyway, this should make the flickering make even more sense, because if The Ancient One is on Earth then it means something happened to Sana to disrupt her control over space... and this is why the Council is not in the room: they are dealing with the fallout on their own end. Perhaps a bit of fatalism worked into the situation, especially when you consider the multiple Amelias... a hidden message from The Ancient One to Ame, that no matter what she does, it will find some way.
This is why Ame destroying the timeline, rather than trying to rewind it, is such a powerful scene. Faced with such overwhelming odds, with voices of doubt and fate screaming to not do anything, Ame knows that there is a way, and the hints were all there for her to connect the dots. As ancient a being as AO-chan is, it is still a being that resides within time and space, and thus, the only counter is to destroy it herself by destroying the universe. While it will reform when the universe does, her hope lives on in this new timeline, which is why IRyS doesn't show up until the process of resetting the timeline begins - as the Avatar of Hope, she exists beyond time and space, and carries with her the very concept of Hope for all. Ame wished for a timeline where Ina would never fall into despair, into becoming a full-fledged puppet of The Ancient One... and IRyS provided that means by showing Gura the Hololive talent poster.
Anyway, my apologies for the long-winded comment, but I hope you find it helpful nonetheless.
Thanks for making me aware of the Atlantean connection.
On Sana's part, I can definitely see where you are getting at. To be completely honest I still can't make heads or tails on what the heck would be the power scaling on the whole thing is. HPLC makes it so that the eldritch beings are omnipotent and omniscient, but in HoloEn lore, it is implied that the Council is a step or two above the horrors.
Lastly, I will just lay down and cry because if Ame actually warned the Council and enlisted the help of the Avatar of hove IRyS, then she would have the entirety of all her past failures and resets in her memories at that point. (make sense that she became the "helper?problem solver?" of HoloMyth/EN while still having a daredevil gremlin personality)
I think you should also analyse the animation HoloEN- Oddloop and their connection with Myth 's bad ending. If you connect the two, you will notice:
1/ That movie theater is owned by Kronii. Not the council. That is why it has devices that can affect the timeline and why Ame try to comeback to it because she stole the watch from that place.
2/ Both animations have game mechanics allow player to retry. And you will realize Ame is always the last one of Myth. Because she is the player herself.
3/ Myth's Bad ending seems like one of the early loops. The evidence is not too many corpses in the theater and in Oddloop there is a scene shows Ame was counting the amount of loops she had.
4/ This game seems also has a "counter or coalition" mechanic (when 2 characters have abilities counters each others but become very strong if they joins force). Oddloop shows this and kinda explains why Ina has a hard time when deal with Kiara - Calli coalition or Gura counter.
5/ Ame in Bad ending still had feelings and motivation but Ame in Oddloop already got used to pain and suffering.
5/ Ame would win when Kronii decided to step in, which allows to form Ame- IRyS coalition.
I have my eyes on that for a while now, but I am still making a compilation of all the holo en lore that I can find (strictly videos) and go from there.
1. My mind just went into frenzy when the animation dropped so I was only strictly speaking in the context of the video. I would still argue that the theater is owned by the council, I was in the impression that the fob watch was an artifact that Watson discovered on Earth (she had no ways to go to the theater in the first place unless Calli and Kiara helped her given that they knew that place existed in the first place)
2. In Oddloop it was retry, but in Mazu's animation, it was a reset. But I will chuck that up to something akin to the different contents of different versions of any old scriptures, I am basing the "real" events on Mazumaro's animations because I feel like the Oddloop is an artist rendition or a a dramatized version of the events.
3. What you said about the bad end as an early iteration of the loop might be right, but I still have to figure out how Ame was able to find out, or record all the things that she had done during the other loops. 999 | Hololive Animation by Crash Landing Studios practically gave her full control of the fob watch and I would like to know how.
4. I would again put this into the artistic rendition category, because when putting this into a "real life" scenario, "they are much more powerful as one" scenario will definitely come up.
5. Yes, when she can use the fob watch willy she basically just started on a "I do not want others to die, so I am going to do this alone" path in the 999 animation.
6. I think, I am going to have IRyS show up first before Kronii (per debut timetable) and then this what helps Ame convince Kronii and possibly the council to help her tame or jail the entity (the entity is a primordial being but still not as powerful as the very foundation of the world kinda deal)
@@kurokamiayatoVOD After put some thoughts about it, I agree that the theater may be owned by the Council, but I think Kronii is the manager of it (5 managers at once is weird). Clock symbol was put in the middle of the 5 when Ame looked up but Kronii is not the leader of the Council as we know.
Ame didn't explain much of the lore except one time she told the watch makes strange noises (Ame noises) when it get activated. There is a clip Kronii asked Ame where did she get the watch but Ame cut off and disappeared (seems she agreed with the idea she stole the watch from Kronii so definitely the watch is not something on Earth)
@@compendium72 Now that you mentioned that, yeah, that theatre is definitely being managed by Kronii.
I think I have the clip of it in the vid. But yeah, if Ame actually stole the watch, I need to find something that can explain how she did it, it will keep me up at night unless I do, also, I was under the impression that it was dug up somewhere after researching all around the world that became a family heirloom of some kind that only activated when it got in contact with the myth.
@@kurokamiayatoVOD After I re-watched the animation a few times and got more research, I came back here to tell you some details you might miss out:
1/ In the Multiverse of Madness like sequence, there is a scene of floating ash or snow. That actually a reference to the game Devil May Cry (the one that Gura fangirl over), just a nice detail.
2/ In that sequence, there is also a scene where the Moon come very close to Earth, which is the reference to the MV "High Tide" made by Moona. In that MV and also based on Moona 's explanation and confirmed lore, there is a scene show the Moon Goddess (the one gave Moona power) did combat against the Ancient One (the entity that controls and possess Ina). We still don't know this battle happens before or after the event in Myth Bad Ending though because the Moon Goddess won based on the Moona 's lore.
3/ I heard somewhere that the battle between the Moon Goddess and Ancient One leading to the destruction of Atlantis (home of Gura)
@@compendium72 nice, this will complicate things even further
Ina is basically possessed by a Lovecraftian god in this fight. Of course Calli and Kiara are getting clapped.
It is probably a step up from Cuthulu but just a step down from the council.
But then again Calli and Kiara held their own.
Also... now that you mentioned Calli and Kiara, they were put into a sub space where I guess they were in suspended in time or something... might bethe reason how Watson was able to break the cycle at a later loop.
Edit: I just had an epiphany due to your comment.
@@kurokamiayatoVOD The Ancient One (AO-chan) would be a step above Council, since Sana is also a priestess of the Ancient Ones. Hinting that the Ancient Ones pre-date the universe.
@@Vasharan I was under the impression that Sana is a preistess and also a guardian? Council lore kinda inferred that they were incorporeal beings given form due to something that happened. Having said that, i have this weird itch in the back of my mind on how their strengths differ that I really want to get into.
@@kurokamiayatoVOD That something that happened was the conflict between the concepts. Like Nature and Civilization and most notably Space and Time, since as the "Omen" Official PV states Spaces did not agree with Time's tyranny over living beings, so the Gods (which I see as some of the AOs) gave them avatars and responsibility which was to be enforced and managed by Chaos
Hmm I don't think the Ancient one is anywhere near the Council. The Council exists in the movie theater, meaning they have control over timespace (move the time bar in the video). They exist as beings in a dimension level above the dimension the AO and Kiara are in. The concept is quite similar to the one used in the movie Interstellar.
All the idea is very interesting indeed! i will watch the myth lore video when you finish it.
Nice job!
what I took away from the first Watson recording was someone that wanted to give up but knew she couldn't. There have been times when I have faced a tough situation and I'm like this is too hard I'm quitting but I don't I kept at it.
Nice perspective. I guess I was thinking too much of the futility of the situation and got swept by Watson's "you are also me afterall" that I got optimistic vibes.
your description of the video is simply beautiful :')
All we need now is an Ame and Kronii or Ame and Irys cover of oddloop
Asides from that, I love how the community built up the lore for the talents as time went on, the talents embraced it, and we got interactions like the one Ame and Kronii had
In the part of the message on the phone I don't think it was the first Amelia but the second.
The first tried to reset the time and died, the second arrived there saw the body of the first and understood that the plan to reset the time would not work and so left the message in an attempt to get one of the next Amélias to try something different or just give up, what did not happen.
But it doesn't change the fact that I cried a lot in this animation, it's too perfect.
I like to imagine that the colored world that Ame traveled to is the Holo Alternative Timeline due to how it looks just as gorgeously colorful as the Alternative cinematics.
I haven't watched EEAAO and it's my first time hearing about it so it would've been nice to hear more on what others "immediately recognized" overall though nice breakdown, love the tweet insert about the good ending it was a nice touch.
Yeah, I was too hasty with the EEAAO reference that I actually forgot that the movie had the worst PR team ever.
Thank you for your thoughts. I'll be more careful next time XD
@@kurokamiayatoVOD Love the positivity, have a good one mate
I don't think Pre-recorded Ame lied necessarily. It's true; she had arrived to the End, her friends were dead, and there was nothing she could do to bring HER friends back. But, she could break the universe, and restart it with new Kiara, Calli, Gura, Ina, and Ame. I also like to imagine Pre-recorded Ame didn't advise to restart the universe because she herself had given up at that point, but then, obviously, she decided to do what every Ame will always do until her friends are saved. I also don't think Pre-recorded Ame was the first or even the second. I feel like she must have been a few iterations older Ame where she could observe that her previous attempts have failed multiple times, and rewinding the time won't fix anything.
yeah, I fully agree that pre-rec Ame was not the first, one commenterarbitrarily said its Ame #69, so I am going to roll with that.
Also, on the "lied" part, I was in the notion that Ame lied to herself that there is no more hope in changing the things that happened and it is much better to give up. Then the Ame that we are watching called the bluff because she was there, the pre-rec Ame did not believe on the "lie" either.
Wonderfully depicted the key beauties of Myth's Bad Ending.
So glad that there is a video spreading the amazing details of their work.
Wish your video reach to millions more viewers.
A side note, my personal favorite from the movie, that you didn't mention, is the implementation of Ina's loading BGM on the various occations.
(the start 0:17, and when Ina holds the Fork 3:05 from the Offical Soundtrack
ruclips.net/video/xJMQ4Zaynrs/видео.html&ab_channel=DarylVanessaBarnes%F0%9F%8E%B5) .
It sounds like Ina's consciousness was also struggling. We the viewers are waiting for the normal Ina to return, just like when we have always been waiting during the loading scene.
I did not know that they put out the official soundtrack. Thank you for pointing that out. I was just going in raw and listening while listing the things that I noticed.
Also. Thank you! I will do my best for the next video.
Some other theories that have been circulating around.
Sana had a reference to seeing the forbidden truth and becoming an apostle of the ancient ones. Reference to in her debut. Her symbol glitching can also be related to an ancient one walking the Earth.
Gura being Atlantean and how Lovecraft's lore talks about Atlanteans fighting the Eldritch gods. This could explain why Gura was more effective at dealing with possessed Ina in her red form, boosted by the power of the Trident.
At the end Ame does what Ina said. "Try again. Try a little harder and you just might win".
It was the measure of all creation, perceived in a form(projected film) most understood by the perceiver(Watson).
And at the end when the camera zoom out from ame to the universe you can see hope in light form descending at 1.22.
Basically, the good ending is the one where ame of our universe realized long before the events of the worlds annihilation by ina, that the only way to stop it from ever happening is to fix loose ends caused by the manifestation of time (being the movie theater) which were the 5 symbols representing the holocouncil.
even if ame tried to get help from kronii or the other council members, the same result would occur, so what she did was follow the clue in the movie theater instead, the glitching symbol of sana, which itself was glitching in the same way as the playback of the video projection.
So ame convinced sana to properly & lovingly say her goodbyes to everybody in holomyth and holocouncil, most importantly to ina herself. Thereby averting the disaster completely.. by allowing ina to have closure and relief for sana and not be consumed by guilt or depression (which was the likely trigger for azathoth's awakening).
We are literally living the good ending because ina didnt allow herself to succumb to madness and insanity. (which im really happy for her, but also kind of envious.. since it wasnt that easy for me)
I don not know what happened, but I am glad that at you have gone and won over the things that you faced. The past is the past, we are now living in this moment, but do not forget it, for your sake and the people around you.
On a lighter note... Thanks for the insight, I might have completely blocked out the information that Sana has already graduated, thank you for reminding me, also, I am probably digging into this lore more than I can chew. I just hope that I can make it coherent... eventually.
@@kurokamiayatoVOD thanks a lot for your words of encouragement, it happened around 11 or 12 years now, and was a really dark time in my early highschool life. I'm probably never going to forget it for as long as i live even if i wanted to, and it will always haunt me, but i've at least recovered from it (mostly). Everyone has regrets from highschool or college so i'm definitely not alone in this chat lmao.
Anyway i wanted to add regarding my theory is that, the one who most likely tipped the 1st ame off was kronii, because kronii is a being that exists outside of space-time and is the timekeeper. If something happened to time, she would immediately know.
In the first incident it was the breaking of the space-time continuum (noted by the glitching playback of the video) that alerted her, which made her rush to the source of time (the movie theater) where she found ame, there she told ame that there was nothing that she could do since ame's timepiece broke time, preventing time from reversing or forwarding, it was stuck forever. And so kronii said ame should just stay put and hold on to the time she has left, before leaving to find some kind of way to fix time.
Then ame realized that if she couldnt change time, she would instead reset it back to zero, since time was born from space, and space was born from the universal constant, the big bang. She left a recording on her phone for all future ame's, and sacrificed herself to reset time, giving yet another chance for redemption.. and another.. and another.. and another.. until the movie theater was littered with cold bodies of ame. (actual nightmare fuel...), with each reset being greeted by kronii's horrified face as she saw ame's bodies piling up with each attempt, succumbing to madness.
and then ame of this video realized something, of the 5 symbols of the holocouncil, sana's was glitching. "Was this the cause of the glitching of the video..? If so then..." and it clicked, ame recorded her findings on her smartphone, leaving it for whoever tipped off the 1st ame (she may have guessed that kronii would come) and sacrificed herself once again, that they have one last chance for salvation.
Kronii appeared, and was once more horrified into madness.. but then she noticed the 2nd smartphone next to the 1st, with the message that reads... *̷̨͙̬̕͠"̷̝̝̂̋͜S̵̥̫̓a̶͎͈̾͝ͅṅ̸͈̞̲͉̄̊͝a̵̭͐̇ ̵̬͍͈̊͋ȉ̴͈̱̃̓͝s̴͈͖̓ ̴͎̠̗̎̓̉t̴̡̗̜̠̏͗͊̿h̸ė̷͎̹̝̳͒́̀ ̸̧́́͘͠k̴̜̓e̸̳̘̒̔͝y̵͍̅̑̓̃"̷̜͆͋.̸̲̗̠͍̔̅̂*̵̰̤̲̈́̃̊ͅ
@@chloekaftan This is why I love the HoloEN lore. So many possibilities, so much things to know. As I have said again and again... this will complicate the already complicated things that I have been researching.
I hope luck is on my side...
um i am not any expert on lovecraftian lore but i don't think thats how azathoth's awakening works. the whole of reality every reality, every universe, dimension, and timeline, is all a part of Azathoth's dream. it only exists while he is asleep. the moment azathoth awakes the dream ends as does reality as we know it. to conceptualize it on a smaller scale if you have ever played the game Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening then SPOILER BELOW
LAST WARNING SPOILER
OK so the link after getting shipwrecked at sea washes up on the beach of an island and is found by a kind girl marina
this island and the poeple living on it is a manifestation of the dream of the slumbering windfish. when you wake the windfish the windfish stops dreaming and as the island and its poeple were a manifestation of that dream they also cease to exist now that the dream is over. the entire island disappears into nothing.
OUR REALITY and everything in it is that island. and AZATHOTH is the Windfish.
@@dawnseeker176 I think Ina's lore is only heavily inspired by Lovecraft and it is not explicitly stated that she is harboring Az. Unless explicitly said somewhere I will just put it as AO-chan (ancient one-chan) and nothing else.
But if this is actually the case, holy lovecraft batman, she is just basically the "One true god" in holomyth lore.
My headcanon is that whatever possessed Ina was an anomaly cause by the disruption of time and space being that flickering space symbol the slow and expected disappearance of the concept of space made the world unstable. Ina as an otherworldly being was an easy target for such an anomaly.
Rather than a being of nearly infinite power, it might have been something that was not supposed to be in the realm in the first place huh...
That is something to consider.
For me, the first video when Ame started to kneel down is the exact first Ame of Myth's Bad Ending and those multiple video shorts that are being released are the number when Ame tried to reverse everything
Thank you... your video was perfect... I believe you didn't miss anything... congratulations
I never see anyone mention it but this takes place the day after Myths 2nd Anniversary.
Also the theater video looks like it's RUclips. You can see the end of video time and Ame paused time right at the last split second before the video ends. This may be when everything was suppose to end as it's counting from the beginning of time itself.
Also, to me, we live the good ending and that could be in part that Council came into play. First to arrive was Hope in Iryes then the others. To me they have helped stop the loop and the end of everything.
The place at 8:44 might be ‘the microscopic world’
Now that you said that, it definitely looked a lot like some of the visuals in Ant-man
I think the ames combined hope (or maybe just the last ame's hope) that things will change brought irys, causing a change that allowed the now happening good end.
gawr being gura s sin dt with the trident is just an amazing touch, we all know gura loves her dmc
Actually I believe it's not the first Watson who made the message, but the second, or maybe the one right before her. Here is how it went:
First Watson found out that they could try to rewind time (not just time travel to another period, but delete a timeline from the end to a certain point, like undoing it) and she did so. She did her job and died.
Second Watson arrived and saw the body. It didn't take long for her to understand she's not the first one to come here, and to understand what will happen:
The world will endlessly repeat itself. Is it worth trying again? And as the gamer she is she decide to press the "RETRY" button.
If it's the second Watson, she made the message to bring confusion to over Watsons, so they can understand that they shouldn't give up (so the message indeed is telling the opposite of what it says), which leads to what we see.
Oooor it could have been the Watson before her: she witnessed that they constantly failed, maybe the timeline was only reset to a certain point of the time, which leads to other timelines.
She understood that just repeatedly doing the same thing is basically putting their fate to luck (but also not luck, because in the new timeline Ame could also not have enough time to do the time travel, unless she takes the risk to go somewhere else) and that resetting to a certain point won't do it, so she decided to make the message to the next Ame, so she makes the choice not to rewind, but to completely reset it, creating a totally different timeline.
The reason she didn't do it herself might be she didn't have the guts maybe if we accept the last Watson theory.
Basically, if you prefer to believe something more optimistic and less problematic, the first theory could be more fitting for you.
However, if you want to make it more complicated, and make it more difficult, second could be the one, but I like both theories
1. I believe that the watch that Watson has is actually a second watch made. The first, I suspect was given to an old man who only uses it once a year to slow or stop time, not change it. Although Watson stole the watch, Kronii I suspect could easily take the watch back at anytime, hasn't because Watson uses it proficiently and only for good, she doesn't muddy up the timeline or leaves it all tangled up.
2. About a month or two after Gura's debut I began to suspect there is a lot of her lore that doesn't add up. She has holes in her memory and also there are things she won't talk about even with Watson, even going so far as to change the topic if pressed. She is classified as a Myth, but seems grossly under powered compared to her Myth sisters. I always felt that she always holds back on purpose. Gura may or may not realize she's doing it but I'm sure Gwar knows and remembers. I suspect in Gura's past that her power was so immense that it scared people so badly that even her friends and family abandoned her and treated her like a monster. We all know that Gura has abandonment issues from some tragedy. I suspect that way why Gwar always tried to keep her isolated and was so harsh with Gura. She honestly was trying to prevent Gura from going through that again. I think I figured out Gura's forgotten past and who she was before, but that's a long story for another time. I feel like in this fight Gura realized that if she didn't use her real powers she was going to loose her friends anyway, she decided that if she was going to loose her Myth sisters anyways she might as well make sure they at least lived.
3. I have no doubt that Watson has seen herself and parallel Watsons dead many times. I am sure every time it takes a piece of her sanity, but she always have to keep going.
So Ame created the Council and Hope?
Maybe not the concept but the personification of it? Anything is possible.
Considering Kiara is a phoenix, Calli is a reaper apprentice, and Gura is a shark girl, while Ina is a priestess that has called upon the Old Ones, if anything I'd say everyone was highballed to be able to stand against Ina.
Man... you breakdown this animation A LOT and I didn't not see or hear for the most of them. Especially the Ina's hair when the entity is out from her body, the time on the live stream projector stuff, Irys at the zoom out to the whole Earth, and the music for each characters.
Nonetheless, good theory tho...
Thks for making these points. The point about Ina being reverted to her human form I hadn't caught. This really changes how I look at her 'mello-ness'. Maybe she can't have those strong emotions due to this happening. Maybe she's actually a cage & gateway...
didn't really put much thought into the theater scene... but after you pointed that out I realized that this was Kroni's domain. Which is why her symbol is centered over the projector.
Now your point about Sana's symbol glitching maybe a nod, but I think that it was glitching because that universe (timeline) was dying. Though I'm beginning to think it was glitching simply because SpaceTime was paused.. something 'unnatural'.
I am glad you enjoyed this hodgepodge of a video.
I am beginning to think that way too about Sana's symbol.
I like to think that council is holding back the outsider and it is taking all of their power and attention to do so, and the outsider still gets a little power through, which is still enough to decimate some of the most powerful entities on earth.
Sana even had to sacrifice herself to hold space together with the intrusion, now existing only as a concept without form. Part of this, of course, is the despair of seeing her best friend being overtaken by the outsider.
I 100% believe that the countless Ame's sacrificing themselves and the universe for their friends, to try again is what gave birth to IRyS, which, with the birth of the personification of Hope itself changed the outcome of the events by either directly or indirectly creating Hololive, which seems to keep AO-chan satisfied (at least for now).
The biggest clue to this comes from the very last 1/2 second of animation that almost no one seems to watch. At the very end, after the credits, the camera pans to a monitor that's showing a "Game Over" screen, with a "Retry" and "Quit" options. Someone (presumably Ame) selects "Retry"! The universe restarts, IRyS is borne, the future is changed and fate is defeated.
That's my theory anyway.
In truth, I thought the glitching Sana symbol was because of her own connection to AO-chan, that which was possessing Ina during the fight.
8:40 I think that is a MIB3 time jump reference
Holy you are right,
That was the itch that I could not pin point. Thank you for pointingit out.
There was a theory where a version of Ame survived and failed in the end, and to honour her friends, she took up each of their sacred items as a memento and went to battle each holo council to recreate a perfect world where bad end didn't happen but fall short every time because of Kronii and because of her strong feelings, will and determination the manifestation of irys and omega became real in the physical world to stop her and put Ame to rest where once and for all she can finally have her peace and meet her friends once again in a new reality and now the current ame having that watch is a reminder of what happened even though the Current Ame is oblivious to
The phone recording was left by the second Watson. The first Watson thought there was still a chance to save her friends. The second one knew there wasn’t, but there was a chance to save another her’s friends. The third and onward knew that it was probably hopeless, but did it anyway.
The final Watson, the one before ours, vindicated all the others.
if i may, ive given some little thought as to why AO-chan would wreck calli/kiara. Ancient ones dont die. like, i may be mixing two seprate sets of lore, but most "eldritch beings" are based on the works of hp lovecraft to some degree. "That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die."
they are literally beyond death. it makes sense why callie (death), and kiara (pheonix, often a symbol of rebirth), would have no power over ina (eldritch being). she slaps them aside, because they cant really do anything to her.
My man, thank you for the reaction, I really enjoyed it. If I had one criticisism, please work on your tags, you should absolutely include the original title of the video + reaction, since I only found your video through recommendation and not through search.
Thank you too. I fixed the title, but I do not know much about the tags system, I am going to look into that.
Also, gosh, really? recommendation?
@@kurokamiayatoVOD I also had it at the top of the home page
thing is they didn't lowball calli and kiara's power. its just ina is that broken. the ancient ones are that broken. also ina couldn't hurt the ancient one. only hinder its control over her for the moment as in the long run the ancient one would regain control of ina, but rather than dealing with ina's crap the ancient one decided it was easier and quicker to dispose of both ina and gura. gura was already completely spent and ina was just a human without the ancient ones.
yes, AO is broken as frick, I agree on that end with Calli and Kira just being an annoyance for AO, but in the terms of Ina not being able to handle AO herself, but now that I remembered something.
(ruclips.net/video/2oc4di4E60o/видео.html)
On April 2nd, 2022 the "Observer" showed up on the stream. From what I saw the Observer and Ina are friends or somewhat knows each other right? Being with how casual the Observer calls Ina. The Observer said "Ina's world as is, I basically created that..." but before that she said "I borrowed some power from AO-chan" which kinda contradicts it having that much power to create an entire universe, but can't pull us into where she is, also as Lovecraftian lore dictates, any being who are given power will pay some price (paraphrased). But she did not seem to mind anything, she is even so casual about it that she is laughing throughout the whole thing
This is might be AO-chan's "pure" soul that has been separated from the main body/main source of power that is the Necronomicon or AO-chan (power always corrupts so it was separated). They probably had the council do something about that as the Observer said that in her current form, she is not anywhere as strong as the Council, but was really vague on her true strength as she is a mere "Medium".
OR
The Observer is a step above AO and the Council's powers, but is stopping/protecting/fighting something from reviving or forming in the "Other Void" that she is in. The surrounding time has been stopped and with the big ass monolith at the background, which is definitely holding something supernatural is practically a dead giveaway, and although she said she is just an observer, there would be no reason for her to be in a place where time has stopped and can only be described as a void.
"Ina should not know that I exist, or does she" the Observer also had some interesting dialogue on which she insinuated that she is basically Ina's alter in that world. By her figure alone, she is practically a white version of Ina. If any of the scenarios are true, it would not be surprising that Ina at a young age exhibits some power that is so potent she needed Ane-niss around her the whole time. One scenario might be true, or both are, or none of what I said is concrete at all.
but this is just a theory, a HoloTheory...
AAANd, I don't want to get copyright claimed lol
The theater might be The Council Observatory where they peek into the world....And the Big question that's on my mind is why The Council not there?....i know this animation just for The Myth but come on man....hahahaha🤣🤣🤣
IKR??? I kinda wanted to say for sure that it is something like that, but with only the symbols representing them there, I kinda went into a frenzy into thinking that Watson was the reason for the universe creating such a room.
Idk if this will answer why the council is not there, but here's my theory. Tinfoil hat on.
The council, is already existed. Maybe existed along with AO-Chan. They dont only manage Our Universe. They govern so much universe that this only like blip in their radar. It's seems to be cruel and cold by the council, but it actually makes sense in my own head that The Council doesnt have any attachment to Myth Members like today.
What change that? It was Irys descended. A "Hope" that born from the perseverance of single human being who doesnt want any other timeline, another version, the #AmeWay or no way at all. She and "others" Ame's keep nuking the universe in hope for another way, in hope for a chance and this humanly perseverance, idk how much attempt Ame's try, finally manifested and born to bring hope, descend to Earth and start guiding perhaps each of other members (Which the confirmed one is Irys is guiding Gura to join Hololive in Shark'd Video, dont know about the others members).
This Guidance then trigger The Council to manifested too and join Hololive. Hope for me is like undying flame, it will snuffed out, but it will reignite again. Thats why The Council is decided to manifested too and to make sure what exactly is "Hope" doing in this universe after so many times it doesnt appear at all.
So yeah, i agree with Mazu statement, we are the good ending. Through multiple sacrifice of one single human who doesnt want any other way except her way and created a "Hope" in the process and triggering all of other event and we pass the "Doom" scenario by AO-chan in the world without hope.
A Myth Lore born from rejecting doom and clinging on that one chance, for a better result, via that one particular Detective/Drug Dealer/Shroom expert, bringing Hope to guide and Council to monitor them and thats what make AO-Chan, a wise/horror incarnate being it is, to think through again what it actually planned.
It's not my theory tho. I just jumbled all the comment from every clip talking about this and just assemble it as i fit in my brain.
*tinfoil off
the universe isnt perfect imperfection is what allowed everything to exist. we all know how the big bang is thought to happen (its more of a great expansion then a bang anyways) everything moving out in all directions all at the same speed, however some matter was missing in spots for unknown reasons allowing matter to clump up through gravity forming the first stars. those first stars lead to the creation of everything we know.
now i told you all of this to point out the multiverse idea that when a new universe is created it isnt going to be the same as its predecessor or branched universe (the former being the case here) so while alot of things will be the same the imperfections that stem from the very start of everything will cascade and accumulate over the many restarts eventually leading to the good ending.
Oh boy, this was great.
Would you mind checking out Holo-Chronicles by Kugeki Animations? That is also just... ULTRA GODLY, if perhaps in a different way. I personally love all the lore and world-building in that, it's absolutely bonkers how in-depth Kugeki gets with that stuff. Of course, the action is great too.
I am glad you liked the video.
I am studying up on how animation and how fight scenes/choreography works so that I can try and get as much good points on the Kugeki animations. I would love to do breakdowns of it but the current me can't even comprehend the technicality of how those animation works. I would be like "wow this looks cool" or "OHMAIGHADICAN'TEVENTHINKOFANYTHINGGOODTOSAY" if I make a video out of it now, so yeah.
@@kurokamiayatoVOD ...understandable.
1. I don't think Ame was doing this in order to save her friends only. There were a reason they started a fight, obviously.
Supposedly that entity that was unleashed would probably destroy the whole world (in a spirit of Lovecraftian enitites), and that's why Cali and Kiara were trying to stop Ina.
So I wouldn't say that Ame was egoistic wiping out the whole universe just to save here friends. She was trying to save everyone. By the way, the absence of any another people right before and during the battle might mean that humans were already... dead or erased or absorbed or whatever that thing does.
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That calculating thingy doesn't had to do anything with EEAAO necessarily. You can find more or less similar "interface" in a bunch of carttons, movies, games. I mean even crappy Assasins Creed had something similar in the ending (they were also trying to calculate "best route"). I kinda understand that "everything is a Jojo reference", but in reality - it's not ))
After all, it's about "timelines", "routes", "connected events" etc If you spent some time thinking you'll probably end up with something similar (if you ever tried to draw manga for example)
Also EEAAO idea (about moving conciousness) is not applicable here, since Mazumaro directly says that it's about erasing current universe and creating a new one. THIS Watson will die. Absolutely. And the next Watson could be almost the same, having identical experience, or she could be different, depending on how different those universes will be. But it will be ANOTHER Watson. Not the same one with just a different body. And that's why her sacrifice is so significant.
Seems like Mazumaro takes "physical" approach in that regard. Another proof is the record from Ame, where she exaplain it exaclty in "physical" manner: even if you can possibly save the world and your friends... that would be not really your world and not your friends. Absoulte copies. While previous world is indeed vanished, and friends are dead.
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I thought that the "save the universe by restarting it" was already a gioven so I did not point it out and just made it more personal for Ame (she is practically the big sis of the group and all).
I do think that I did not handle the EEAAO reference that I did in the video as well as I should have. In my head I was only going to reference it as a visual part, but then it cascaded into explaining it because the movie was not as popular and all that. EEAAO verse jumps were the closest thing that I could remember that looked visually the same when I wrote this. So what is the point of saying what you said?
Can you give the tweet or something when you said "... Mazumaro directly says that it's about erasing current universe and creating a new one." I would like use it as a reference (unless it is from the HoloMyth VS Ina video). Also, the new universe with the new Ame and things... I think that is a given already? You were just repeating the things said in the vid, so can you explain it better?
Lastly, I believe that I had referenced another time and space traveling device there? I do not know why you keep coming back to the passing EEAAO reference that I made. It is a reference, might be from Mazu, might not.
Lastly, I highly agree on the last part where the Ame that we watched have made a significant sacrifice. Although I think she gained respite to the fact that the things that had happened will have a chance to not happen at all, and rather than thinking "this is the end, I am so sad" I think what she had more in mind was "whelp this is for a better past/present/future" when she said "You are me after all"... well that is what I would like to think.
I got goosebumps
Just imagine Gura fighting The Ancient One by herself and almost win just almost. Makes Gura alrd better than Dead Weight.
so Sana represented Space? because if she was Universe that would explain why it was glitching since the universe was detroyed
By that, I think the others should also glitch alongside Sana, I think its i just a wink wink, nudge nudge thinggamajig done by Mazumaro. but lorewise, yeah, "something has happened that is why she is unable to manifest"
could explain why there are so many of these "Non-human" are in on our Universe...
Now that is interesting
@@kurokamiayatoVOD remember that Sana canonically answers to the Ancient Ones, so if they go wild Sana would too, also, time has stopped, Time-Space goes together for a reason, so maybe freezing time doesn't affect Kronii since she is supposed to be the one managing it, but does affect Sana since she cant "continue".
Also if the AO control space, it would make sense why a being that is above a Council member got time stopped mid attack, they are still subjective to Space-Time.
@@Blue_Spirit7 again by that reasoning nature chaos and civilization should also be glitching too but instead only Space is glitching. But I wholly agree that something happened to Space that is why the AO was able to manifest.
For the time stopping mid attack, I think that is just the effect of the fob watch that Watson used in conjunction of Watson going into the theater which probably glitched out the whole system (ala paradox)
I can see Watson #69 or the current one we know may have destroyed this timeline for said reason... there's no hope to save this timeline so she decided to destroy it and go to the timeline we're apart of and made a secret vow on not to talk about it ever again
Underrated asf
Is this the good ending, or are we about to go down another bad ending? Hmm...
Also, I think that the creator of this story misssed a small flourish. Ame ends up in a movie theater, with all those seats, but none of the previous Ame's were sitting in them? Would have been a much stronger moment if Ame looked up and down the rows of corpses that had all been seated in the chairs, rather than a small group of corpses around the stairs. Instead, there'd just be a single corpse, which Ame would eventually move to an empty seat before dying herself.
one, I'd hate the thought of that the one that we are experiencing right now is not the good (on progress) ending
two, yeah, that was missed, but I guess I can still understand how abrupt it would feel when our consciousness just get snuffed out in a heartbeat.
three... that proposed, ending is much sadder and I don't want to think about it.
Well...
There's always a different outcomes rather than binary ends.
If we ever able to see all of the timelines that happened in real times, then this one may be neutral or twisted ending.
But have you seen sora vs suisei fight of Kugeki Animations?
I have. Though I don't really have that much of a grasp on how fight scenes works in a technical/"how can I make this interesting to talk about" level so I just stick to the things that I know how to explain... barely.