The Supernatural is Natural - And the more you investigate reality the more extraordinary it appears
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- Don't get me wrong, coz' I'm not saying their isn't anything extraordinary or supernatural about karma. But here's the thing the supernatural is natural, just look up at the milky way on a clear night and you will see just how extraordinary the universe is.
#quantumentanglement #newtonianphysics
00:02 What’s natural about the supernatural?
00:34 In order to understand the profound first we need to understand the easy stuff!
01:26 Is there proof of Karma and other lives?
03:34 The Buddha taught many stories most of them sound inconceivable.
07:43 Quantum Entanglement is also inconceivable to us.
09:00 The Buddha taught that if you give you will receive
10:11 Only a Buddha can understand Karma!
11:46 Look up into the night sky and wonder
I appreciate the teaching, but I think that quantum entanglement is not a good example. Quantum entanglement is a description of correlation between a measurable property -- it's not suggesting that making a change to one particle magically changes its entangled counterpart. "when the state of one particle is changed, then the state of the other automatically changes" I think this part is incorrect
Hi Alex please refer to the Bell Theorem for a method by which the non-local effects of Quantum Entanglement can be proven:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell%27s_theorem
But again the statement of this video is "much of what is taught in scientific thinking seems inconceivable to us" but I will add that much of that which we accept as (scientific) truth will inevitably be superceded.
Thanks for sharing
@@ultimatemeaning thanks for the response. I'm familiar with Bell's theorem, but I think we have different interpretations of it. That's not uncommon, most physicists who are paid to study such things don't agree on it either!
Indeed, I hope all our scientific understandings are swiftly superseded.
Physical analogies to philosophical concepts are kind of fraught by nature. Analogies can be good signposts, but they aren't sufficient for understanding.
For any others here who may be interested, I highly recommend Sabine Hossenfelder's videos on this and related topics
Quantum entanglement is already being debunked… scientific theories are theories, not set in stone.
@@Alexmw777 ... plasma physics first ! 😉
"Physical" reality has been proven by both physics and neuroscience to be a false premise. There hasn't been a real physicists since Einstein failed to measure the electron. There will never be another, physics is thoroughly debunked. Your talking about grifters, nothing more. This has been proven by neuroscience to be a mental projection, or in other words an imaginary place. There are no valid arguments for physical "reality" left, none.
Now if they changed their theories to integrate new data, they could possibly gain a shred of credibility back. However, they refuse because they want to grift off their fantasy construct for as long as they can.
When I think about dependent origination and karma, I’m reminded of a quote by Carl Sagan: ‘If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.’
Yes, yes! That's exactly it there isn't anything that doesn't share this trait! 🙏
Carl also stated: "Answers from authorities are worthless" 😏
You speak the TRUTH and you do so in a very REALISTIC way as the Buddha taught. So good to hear you my friend .
❤ thank you William I appreciate your support ❤
"... And the more you investigate reality the more extraordinary it appears"... to the mind. Best wishes.
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Without love compassion and mercy none of us would be here
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As a physicist myself I'm not at all troubled by this, infact quite the opposite. I don't think there is any final truth or end to causality, and this brings me great joy and excitement because I feel I can always learn more and it will only open up new more amazing questions that make me even more profoundly in awe of existence.
I really like you way of thinking friend, and thank you for sharing your experience! ♥
Thank you for sharing your insight 🙏💕💫from consistent breathwork and meditation I am now starting to experience new parts of the “magical” reality we live in.
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Love your teaser and posted Reels. You would be an excellent marketing director. You know how to grow an audience. 🙏
Thanks for the vote of confidence Blair, I appreciate it. Funny I never was successful in the world 😆🤣😆
So true! Thank you for your content Brother!
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Thank you again Lama Choga for the golden nuggets of wisdom you share with all of us, blessings to you and your family!
Thank you for your kind wishes Donella! ♥♥♥
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What a gem, what a gift..🙏 Thank you so much for this channel..
May many beings hear what you have to say..🙏
Thank you so much William for your vote of confidence! 🙏🙏🙏
I like Bob Thurman's term : "Supernormal"
Ahh, I like that too, thsnks for sharing ❤
@The Theory of Samsara : By the way I am so very grateful for the topics you bring up. It makes my mind and soul vibrate with questions and musings! Thank you!
This is a great asset my friend! ♥♥♥
I enjoyed the bait and switch with the video title 😂❤ thank you for the talk lama 🙏🏾
Thank you for watching!
I found your presentation encouraging, and for that, I thank you.📿
❤😊❤ yes, yes, courage is needed!
Your explanation of things has really improved my understanding of this topic. Thank you.
glad to be of service David! 🙏🙏🙏
Thank you for such an important talk. I appreciate this so much! Karma and Renunciation and Meditation…. Inspiring. Thank you for your wish for all our awakening!
Thank you Brian for sticking with the community! 🙏🙏🙏
I guess there's no supernatural, only super-normal. When masters hide in a rams horn or pass their hand through a solid pillar it must seem totally natural to them.
Also, I feel like the work of Ian Stevenson actually does count as a little bit of empirical evidence for the existence of past lives.
Funny I made a video about this story; ruclips.net/user/shorts8UYqBijqQt0?si=a8oxy5Y2WFdhJKl2
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That used to be the tourist marketing tagline for BC, Supernatural British Columbia. Many thanks, friend.
Yeah I always laugh when I see the "supernatural British columbia" signs 😂😅😂
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Another lunchtime treat. Thanks!
Quantum entanglement is not quite as inconcievable or mystical as some people feel past/future lives are, as we can measure the effects that give rise to the theory. Similar to gravity. Gravity has no corporeal substance in the form of particles but we all have conviction that it is present as a natural principle because we can experience its effects for ourselves.
In my view, the idea of past/future lives is just as plausible as the idea of no past and future lives, but I would want some more personal experience or compelling evidence of its effects before being convinced of it as a something more than just a helpful idea that can help us to orient our lives towards a greater purpose, as there are both assets and liabilities to adopting any logical construct.
I know there is some legitimate research out there on past/future lives. Perhaps you could put some links up for those of us toying with how cultivating conviction in this idea could help us become more skillful, compassionate beings.
Hope your work is going well see you tomorrow
The builders of Stone henge could measure the stellar and planetary transits but the believed everything revolved around the Earth 😂😅😂
Becoming your true natural Self is the most natural and ordinary thing you can do. You could even call it extra-ordinary.
My interpretation was, timelessness + big bang, evolution = objective unity, no woo woo needed.
Newton knew gravity wasnt what we are told these days , read the Principia , he alludes to this towards the end .
Thanks for the tip ❤
I must say on the note of “pride” that you mentioned I assume it’s apart of your humility that you mentioned this, I would just like thank you for the way you communicate these ideas, I respect and resonate with the truth you speak
Uh, I kind of fail on that unfortunately. My Lama is always trying to reduce my pride. But thanks for your kind words friend! 🙏
12dimentioal 7souls of Ra. Inside something to large to comprehend momentarily. Respect to you for trying to administer a cure intoo a broken mind scape.
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Vibes of cosmos Extra Antarctica 's 5 min vid break through the mundane. Learned monk empirical research.
We can't see the night sly where i live anymore, the light fog from our LED street lamps have blinded our sky from us.
How sad! Light pollution is nearly everywhere! 😢😢😢
Ohhhh man, something tells me this is going to be a good one! Can't wait! 😮 🐕🦺🙏🐕🦺
Thanks! More please. 🙏
I'll try to post one a week, and if I can get back up to 2 a week eventually 🙏
I wonder what you think of NDEs (near death experiences)? People commonly report that we choose to be incarnated here and that we get the choice of our future lives. Of course, this begs the question, who the hell would choose to be born as a baby with harlequin syndrome that gets to die after only a few minutes of coming into the world, or a child in Gaza who gets to have their whole family obliterated by bombs, only to later starve to death, or any number of other horrendous possibilities?
Nevertheless, near death experiencers are often able to report details of things they could not possibly have known about according to conventional logic, such as the kind of medical equipment used on them (when they were brought into the hospital unconscious and had no way of seeing such things), details about the room/building/surgeon's clothing, details about deceased loved ones who they met on 'the other side' that they apparently never knew about before, etc.
I don't know quite what to make of them. On the face of them, they seem to paint a less scary picture of the cosmos than that of most Earthly religions, including Buddhism. The vast majority of them are life-affirming and peaceful, and most experiencers claim that we are here for a purpose and that there might even be a god. Nevertheless, a minority do report paying visit to hellish realms. Do you have anything to say on this topic, Theory of Samsara? It's definitely an interesting one.
❤here is a video I made about Nde's last year: ruclips.net/video/tav2DOFPonI/видео.htmlsi=sFYSAmBkAgDRWDzY
Thank you for sharing
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Why do you need the absolute truth? You are unlikely to catch a dynamic system with static tools. If you search for this type of truth you'll get something but it is unlikely to make sense.
That being said ... I'm no spiritual master but I found that if you have questions, just ask them, as humbly as you can. In the past, when I tried to ask very profound questions about the universe I got a "it doesn't really matter and it will not fill your void" type of answer. I'm still curious and I understand in time some of these questions will cross my path.
Note : It's my belief we're struggling with quantum physics because we're looking at the world from a different perspective which turns what we see into a "diffusion pattern". Doesn't make it less fascinating ...
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Consumerism!.
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Sir, i have a question that i would like to make to someone like you. I often wonder "Why would someone who does not believe in afterlife should not do whatever he wants to do, even if that activity harm others". I personally have a strong believe in eternal life, but in the realm of logic and cold mind i can hardly find any argument to tell to this hypothetical person who dont believe in anything. Thanks, sir.
Sir this is called the view of nihilism and those who hold this view are destined to suffer in future times because they have no reason to avoid negativity and also no impetus for practising virtue.
The Buddhist view is the view of past and future lives, and karma. and because of this the one who holds this view is encouraged to practise virtue and avoid negativity.
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👍thank you 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Nice to see you Sara❤
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Great talk, Lama Choga. 🐕🦺🙏🐕🦺
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I like this :)
I appreciate that!
🌺 thank you very much. I struggle with the concept of past and future lives, because our conciousness returns to the unified whole/ one-ness .... is conciousness as separate as we appear to be in human form?...... I feel it to be more like an entire ocean..... im happy to be wrong.... perhaps it is the human form which has the karma and conciousness is happy to oblige with all of our evolution? .... and so doesn't mind, doesn't know the difference between hard and easy...... pain and pleasure....... but the physical form inhabited by the conciousness (us, the human being) knows it very well, in fact knows mainly physical things.... even to the point of forgetting it is conciousness to begin with..... quantum entanglement wow!..... you are an excellent teacher. Grateful for you 🌺
Hi Tasha nice to see you again. Consciousness is not separate as there is no experience without it. Also consciousness is in flux and so also the nature of emptiness. The issue (according to the buddha) is whether or not there is clinging to reality, because this is the direct cause of "existence" and so too "suffering" 🙏🙏🙏
@@ultimatemeaning thank you, that makes sense. I appreciate your videos a great deal . Have a wonderful day 😊
Thanks for this video! I agree that the supernatural, whatever it might be, must be part of the real and so part of the natural world! Well argued! I'm convinced.
Thanks for contributing to the conversation
Lama la, this is a lucid explanation. Thank you. 🙏🙏🙏 I'm interested in quantum entanglement because it makes very plausible sense, as does karma cause and effect. As an ordinary being, I may not always know the exact cause of a particular experience, but I 100% believe there must've been one. In a rudimentary way, I can observe the outcome of my choices, and I can then infer that cause and effect can happen at every level of existence. If a person can observe something at a smaller level, then certainly it can happen on a larger or more long-term scale. Also, if (according to the law of conservation) energy can not be created or destroyed and we are crafted of energy, then it implies we have always existed and will always exist in some form or another. Hence, the plausibility of past and future lives. ❤
Hmmm, I like this relation to the law of conservation! Thanks for something new to think about! 🙏
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nature is super..
Super duper ya!
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It may be misleading to suggest that the Buddha was scene as always being born in the Shakya clan in previous lives. His past lives include births in all castes and , for instance, they believed that Buddhacwas reborn as the sage Kapila who told the Shakya to found Kapilavastu
Did I say that? I think I said he was born in the Shakya clan in this life because they were all fishermen together in a previous life, but I can see how there could be that misunderstanding. Thanks for pointing that out 🙏
@@ultimatemeaning no, you didn't directly say that but it did seem implied. Thnxs again brodhisattva for another great video 🙏
My goal with this comment, is that whoever reads it: Get their family album, search old videos from their childhood on youtube, try to remember significant things in their family home or kindergarten. If watching this video made you curious about past lives. It gets very hard for me to remember at 1,5 years old. Wierd things start appearing. It's very mystic. But the climb down to 1,5 years old was difficult for me, it took some hours of work. I found stuff there, that is not predicted by buddhist of hindu text, at least not what I have read. Take it with a pinch if salt, this is just my experience. I experience an overlap between death and birth. So, being in the darkness of death, not being able to breathe, becoming the child that can't breathe. Very traumatic, painful that I cant breathe, and entities, voices in the dark and I don't like them. Hearing their voice makes me angry. Very conscious, despite body being dead and rotting, sensing the coffin lid. So I cry as the child, mom says that dad is repainting the living room. The foul smell is just the paint. There was more, I was a place where we did yoga, I did not have my current body, I did a yoga position that looks like a child being born. One time, the teacher stops me, untying my legs position, it is a seated figure 4 with arms in eagle pose, saying "No, that is the suffering". There were places with wierd tv shows and commercials. Tests where they served me hot food and I ate it, burning my mouth, but it didn't effect me, so I failed the test. And the breath was different, I would breathe in, it would tickle underneath my lungs. Then come out of my chest, project forward, tickle an invisible bird, that would tickle a heart with a feather, the heart would shine like an invisible sun and shine my face with happy light.
I tend to interpret these teachings, along with all the myths in the world, to be metaphorical. I've been considering the relationship between change and the 'cycle of life and death'. The child I was when I was five exists no longer: I cannot go back and continue playing with the same toys in that same house under that same sun. We constantly change, shedding our skin and growing new skin, 'dying' in the metaphorical sense, and being 'reborn' as something fundamentally the same but notably different.
And that karma describes, simply, cause and effect, and the fact that certain actions objectively reciprocate suffering in others and, as we are a social species, ourselves. And to escape this cycle, to ease our suffering in this life, we must "level out our karma". And while we may not literally be reborn after we literally die, we still very much undergo that very cycle within our lifetimes. This cycle could be seen as a microcosm of Samsara, or Samsara can be seen as a metaphorical macrocosm to elaborate upon what we experience in the objective world.
Thank you so much for sharing your well considered and insightful thoughts. Look forward to hearing more from you! 🙏🙏🙏
Hi! If I get a pair of shoes and mix them up and box each shoe so I don't know which box has the left shoe and which the right, then send one box on a rocket that takes that shoe many light years away and one box stays with me on earth. If I open the box and see that it is the right shoe, then INSTANTLY faster than light can travel, I know that the distant shoe must be a left shoe! Is that what physicists are claiming or is it deeper and different to my simple example? 🤷
Yeah, that's basically it as far as I can tell. It's kind of analogous to conservation of momentum when an asteroid breaks up, but not exactly 1:1.
also, for a pair of particles light years apart to remain entangled, you have to make sure nothing else interferes with one of the particles and causes its quantum state to decohere. such interactions break the entanglement, I think
@@Alexmw777 Thanks. 👍🏻
My opinion is that the waveform collapsed long before you shook up the box. The Shoe already possessed it "leftness" even before you bought it. In Schrödinger's cat the cat was already a cat before it was put in a box with some radioactive isotope.
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Yes of course! I apologise for focusing on this side road instead of your main topic. It could be included as an example of the fractured and distracted mind! Physicists speak of coherence etc. I am asking philosophical questions when it is probably best described in mathematics. But I haven't learnt higher mathematics. Yet! Lol.
But I have a more important question to ask, how should we refer to you in greeting and parting to show respect and to conform to traditional convention? ✌🏻🧡🙏🏻
Lama'la, do you believe that "Buddha understands each every causal link that has led to the production of an eye print on the feather of a peacock", like an omniscient God.
Although this is what is taught in the Sutras (and is generally accepted)I don't pretend to understand the mind of a Buddha but there are two main schools of thought on this issue (in Tibetan Buddhism). That a Buddha is actually omniscient, or that a Buddha realising the true nature of phenomena understands the nature of everything (but maybe not the nitty gritty detail.)
The definition of a Buddha is one who has overcome the four maras, cleared away all the obscurations and realised the two types of wisdom (the wisdom of how things are, and however many manifestations there are) One of the obscurations is called the obscuration to higher knowledge, and is said to be that which obscures omniscience. So it the debate then revolves around the intended meaning of "omniscience.)
But there is something else that might help make things clearer for your- In Buddhism it is taught that the most accomplished being of all is a Buddha and not God.
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@@ultimatemeaning Thank you for your answer, inspiration and your sincere approach to dharma.
It's possible to understand something thoroughly while being absolutely clear that it is not the whole story. Ps, the great scientists' minds remain open; they know they don't know, through science in any case. Only the truly great ones though :)
Very interesting, do you have any examples? Thanks
@@ultimatemeaning David Bohm, Maurice Wilkins, Robin Monro
@@sugarfree1894 Thanks for that I mean examples of understanding something absolutely clearly without knowing the whole story. Thanks
Quantum Physicist, Biophysicist & plain old Physicist 😊
@@sugarfree1894 OK I didn't realise there was such a person that thoroughly understands Quantum, Bio, or any other type of physics. It is generally accepted that the scope of any of these disciplines is far too broad for any one individual to understand them in their entirety and so nearly everyone specialises these days.
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..Dont think light has a speed , its a wavelength , not a particle .
wavicle, or partiwav? Well my position is "from the perspective of a photon the speed doesn't exist"
osea que el universo es dios que se metio en su propio laberinto para ver quien era? al mismo tiempo al ser omniciente esta gobernado por leyes elementales que no puede controlar?
Eso es imposible
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He's right. There is no "supernatural"...everything is natural...everything is Divine. There is no religion needed to "save" people. People are the Divine's children from birth. Even the process of Self Realization is natural and is baked into the human psyche. Once a person has traveled the path of awakening for several decades, the truth that there is no "supernatural", there are multiple other dimensions and realms with Life on them...and the other dimensions are natural also.
Yeah the Buddha also taught that the quest for realisation was hard wired in what is called Buddha Nature, thanks for sharing!
the more you guys are saying all this theories all this stuff about enlightment and path thats hard too understand the more im getting tilted to observe myself too walk to the mountain again go inside the cave and facking eat my meal cause you guys drive me crazy with this quantum, the path enlighment and awakening.
Cave sounds excellent but do not go crazy please 🙏🙏🙏
Don't tell anybody this: Christ taught the Philosophy of the Buddha - who was prior to Christ.
Maybe he was Amitabha? Lots of parallels with Pure Land
And who were the wise men from the East? A search party for a reincarnate lama?
Maybe yes, maybe not.
What is the speed of water ?.
current? 😆🤣😆 I suppose all matter is oscillating but water doesn't always have waves. Is "0" frequency light? Well there is no way to tell because that photon would never react with anything
@@ultimatemeaning The underwater "wake " behind a propeller is a disturbance / perturbation of the medium , in the medium . A laser light is the same thing - a disturbance in the medium of the medium [ aether ].
I dont accept [ light ] - the electromagnetic wavelength "bends" , i think it changes direction in differning mediums .
Will your indignation be of help?
You must be mistaken sir, I have no "anger or annoyance provoked by what is perceived as unfair treatment:" Not even for the customer service system for the tax office or local internet provider 😆🤣😆
@@ultimatemeaning Why do you deny being indignant at the Western world's ways? Denial is not a spiritual quality.
Drug addicts have to eat, also.
Causality is an arbitrary projection. Ego arbitrarily projects cause on a time frame. In reality, there is no such thing as a cause. If it brings joy, one could say that any event has an infinite number of causes and conditions.
Btw the headache story is about Buddha being a physician in the past life who was cursed by a patient with a headache that couldn't be cured. Your story seems fake.
Hume posited that belief in causality was not empirical, but something we do out of habit. Kant believed that cause and effect are baked so deeply into the human mind that we can only possibly conceive of things in terms of causes and effects, as a kind of internal limitation. I wonder if, like how linguistic structures are baked into human DNA under Chomsky's understanding, if maybe the narrative structure of cause and effect is also baked into us. As you said, we need some kind of narrative to carry our understanding of phenomena both across space and through time.
@@bodhicitta3jewels If you don't understand something, it doesn't mean it is not correct. Why don't you think about what I said rather than say it's my opinion. It's a straightforward understanding.
Well, his story is all over the place and makes little to no sense. The one I heard is much more plausible.
It's obvious that you didn't think through my words and that you're Lama biased. Thankfully I love Truth more than the sweet lies. Hope, you and Lama will one day too.
Best wishes!
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You, as an observer, have the power to decide a time interval. In that time interval, you decide what is the cause. As the time interval changes the cause also changes.
In the example of the story. Buddha said that the cause of his headache is past life. But if you expand the time interval we can say that the cause of his past life condition is his past past life... So automatically in that time interval, this headache is not caused by only one event but many others.
The "proof" of no causality is proven with infinite regression. As you expand the interval you'll see there is no cause because all causes are projected/decided by an observer in a certain time frame. The most famous example is the chicken and the egg. There is no prior or caused. Both are uncaused. Creation just is as it is.
We all have our causes and none are correct. So choose the ones that make you peaceful and happy.
Best wishes!
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A few simple examples for kids.
1. The Skinned Knee
Short-Time Interval: Imagine you skinned your knee. You might think, "I skinned my knee because I tripped on a rock."
Expanded Time Interval: But if you look at the whole afternoon, you might realize, "I tripped on the rock because I was running too fast to catch up with my friends."
Even Longer Time Interval: If you look even further back, you could think, "I was running too fast because I wanted to join my friends quickly since I was late leaving the house."
By expanding the time interval, you see that the cause changes from tripping on a rock to running too fast to being late leaving the house.
2. The Missing Library Book
Short Time Interval: Imagine you lost a library book. You might think, "I lost the library book because I left it at the park yesterday."
Expanded Time Interval: But if you look at the whole week, you might realize, "I left it at the park because I took it out of my bag to read while I was waiting for my soccer practice to start."
Even Longer Time Interval: If you look even further back, you could think, "I took it to the park because I borrowed it from the library last week and wanted to finish reading it before it was due."
By expanding the time interval, you see that the cause changes from leaving it at the park to taking it out to read to borrowing it from the library.
@@bodhicitta3jewels You are very welcome. Hope this causes you to realize there is no cause 😉
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