@ Congrats. Although this is just a discussion about 2 bikes. The 3 you have listed are all great machines, just not really in the same category due to significantly lower torque outputs. Yes at the top end the hp is comparable.
@@marcusgeorge1825 I dont know why they are going down this route.. R1 is iconic why bring out a tame version!...R7 is the same! I own a Fireblade and would never in a million years downsize to a R7 or R9..... But I would consider switching to the R1.......No brainer!
Keep in mind that pricing was base model to base model, but the r9 is competing with the higher v2 models, so the price difference and probably reliability makes it a no brainer
You people who claim that the Japanese model is less expensive are misinformed. In Europe, for example, the Japanese model costs starts at least 14,500€ (for basic without paid extras that doesn't said on video) without any extras, as the video claims wrong. Look it up and see the exchange rate in US dollars. For those of you who despise the Ducati, the hard reality of the Italian model's unmatched quality irritates you.
You’re talking about prices in Europe. Not the US. Where you are buying it makes a difference. Not a Ducati hater. I actually respect it. But in the US, Japanese is cheaper
R9 for sure. Do not forget Ducatis basic maintenance cost and repairs can only be done by Ducati dealers and are astronomically higher than a Japanese bike.
Not true, on this model there is no desmodromic sistem, so is a "normal" bicilindric engine, but very ligth, powerfull , and high torque...just ready at 3000rpm ducati is always better, after all, even without desmo❤
PA-NI-GA-LE not PA-NI-GALE perhaps you program the AI voice to pronounce it the correct way.. i always watch your comparison videos.. please do something about it, cheers
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Mate that shift cam is the biggest reason to want the v2, however the cbr600rr and zx6r are probably still the better rider experience, track times? Don't know, I'd bet they're all probably the same with a professional rider.
@@ata.elithium Nor would we see street 1000cc bikes like we did in the early 2000s again. Around 180hp, but only weighing 160kg dry. At least not those made for the general market.
The yamaha is still more dependable, regardless of what anybody says. Bang for your buck, The yamaha is still the winner. Besides, its not like you would buy either of them for the track only. They're both just fast street bikes.
not only because I already ordered one but my vote goes for R9 without a doubt. The price, tech, and the looks. and the videos shows the basic v2, not the v2s which probably gonna be even more expensive so yeah.....
I wouldn't want either of them. Probably an MT-09 not an R9 over this super budget non desmo Ducati. Theyre even on board with this less is better bs now. No 👎The 749 and 848 ,1048 and last v2 Pinagale were super sexy exotic too.
The Italian needs to be seen racing on the track, regardless of what you think of them. After that, make your determinations. Because a nearly almost freshly new creation that infuriates the majority of people won't have an impact on the few motorbike experts in the field! Both motorcycles are regarded as being equally strong, and Ducati's effort is at least admirable and truthful!
@@joshvonpohle9624 I called the dealer and told them what I want, and they got me the first allication for their dealership with a $500 deposit. Power Yamaha in Sublimity OR. Ask for Matt, he's a great dude!
@@jarrolightfeather4703 weight loss and better performance. Single sided swing arm is purely for looks only. Performs worse and weighs more. Desmo valves are out, because variable valve timing is in. That's also better for performance without needing a huge revs. Dry clutch... There will be an aftermarket one but I wouldn't bother.
That's not how you pronounce Panigale. Also doesn't Ducati publish power figures as measured at the wheel? I.e., a 120 hp Ducati is about the same as a 132 hp Yamaha if you grant a 10% loss from crank to wheel.
I wish the R9 styling team had done a better job and gotten us rid of the disgusting huge circle headlight in the front, and some higher clip-ons like the new Panigale.
You will always try to find some so-called disadvantages, whether it's about the price or the equipment. price or equipment, since both have the same equipment and do not differ at all. The price of the Italian is clearly within reasonable limits, although some unfairly criticize it for being more expensive; personally, I find this an excuse. Regarding the Japanese one, not everyone will buy it in cash but also in installments, where the trap lies and no one pays attention, with an interest rate of 6% for all installments, which means additional cost. Don't act smart because that shows ignorance. In Greece, the price has been officially announced at 15,000 euros, so what affordability are you talking about? and are you sure that the American market costs what the dealership there says? These are nonsense; this happens everywhere when the respective government imposes taxes where it has interests. The Italian model is clearly the counterpart to the Japanese model in all aspects, regarding the one less cylinder, its brake disc calipers which are completely better and more effective in all conditions and in both versions, regardless of what the video wants to say to justify and speak well of the Japanese model. Also, @SecondGearYT, your intentions are clearly visible, as well as the language you use and the presentation you make, indirectly and deliberately stating that the base version and the V2S of the Italian model do not have cruise control and multimedia, while in reality, they are included in the equipment of the Italian model. Be careful what you say because these are inaccuracies, and the thousands of viewers will boo and reject you. You are talking nonsense; there is standard EBC engine equipment that you say doesn't exist with a red icon at 3:08, while it is standard (see on site), or am I the fool? I don't think so, because that way you are underestimating my intelligence and that of the other viewers. I don't think so because that way you underestimate my intelligence and that of the other viewers.
I’m awaiting the 2025 Streetfighter V2, but I think most people will go Yamaha R9 over the Panigale V2 for its affordability, especially if the specs are identical.
The price makes it a non competitor with the R9, the v2 competes with the base R1 price wise and that wins hands down. Unfortunately thats mostly for the US since europe doesnt get the R1 anymore.
@@wiwwee1 I mean, between Yamaha Ducati and KTM, there is only 1 of those that are about to go out of business cuz no one's buying their bikes, can you guess which? (here's a clue, it rhymes with ray pee fem)
@@knifetoucher KTM makes and sells 5 times more motorcycles per year than Ducati. And Ducati was pretty much fooked before Audi buying them. But according to you no one is buying KTM despite them selling 300000 bikes more per year. They did make loads of expensive electric bikes that don't sell and have inventory at dealers. That's a financial burden.
$3000 less and includes cruise control (a must for my next bike) standard? Plus, I already have an MV Agusta F4 RR. Plus I've never owned a Yamaha and still pine for the early 00s R6s? I guess I will be doing an R9 demo ride for sure.
Without price ducati is better that engine is amazing for a v twin amazing it weighs so little even carrying 1 liter more of fuel and with the base model without the lithium battery. That means it has room to become even lighter. The frame and engine make it amazing. Price is the only thing that makes them somewhat even. You can buy a lot of stuff with 3k that you save getting the R9 instead. 3k can get you a full titanium exhaust, sprint air filter and a tune. Or better riding gear. Or a vacation somewhere.
As a Yamaha fan and owner the Japanese bike wins on this one and the maintenance I promise you will not be a headache like Ducati…I like Ducati and would own one but I wouldn’t use it as a daily rider bike but Yamaha wins on this one. I’m patiently waiting for 25 r1 to hit the showroom floors 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽
@jarrolightfeather4703 The bullshit I hear is pathetic. I don't even care. I ride alone. I used to have respect for anyone on 2 wheels but they believe all the youtube and marketing bull$hit all these commuter bikes we would've laughed at yrs ago. Fug em
I don't understand why they downsized from the 150 horsepower. Such a unique bike. The v2. Now it's just competing with R9. This is a very disappointing bike
Heart says Ducati. Head says Yamaha.
Ditto. I currently own a Monster 1200 R and had a 748 evo before. Seems I tend to go with my heart.
100%
My head says R6 or ZX6 or CBR600RR.....
@ Congrats. Although this is just a discussion about 2 bikes. The 3 you have listed are all great machines, just not really in the same category due to significantly lower torque outputs. Yes at the top end the hp is comparable.
@@marcusgeorge1825 I dont know why they are going down this route.. R1 is iconic why bring out a tame version!...R7 is the same! I own a Fireblade and would never in a million years downsize to a R7 or R9..... But I would consider switching to the R1.......No brainer!
R9 anyday.
@@adrianwolff2007 yeah
A very tough call, both are great. Nevertheless I will stick with Japan.
Yeah, you're basically getting more for a much lower price. Hard to argue with that.
750 sweeps
@@RyanLaPlant-r9n I hear that.
Keep in mind that pricing was base model to base model, but the r9 is competing with the higher v2 models, so the price difference and probably reliability makes it a no brainer
R9. Much better price!
I love your Detailed videos bro the graphics and everything is so high quality.. Love it 🔥🔥
This two will be a hot rival in upcoming WSSP season
R9 is better
yeha
It’s only better on the wallet
You people who claim that the Japanese model is less expensive are misinformed. In Europe, for example, the Japanese model costs starts at least 14,500€ (for basic without paid extras that doesn't said on video) without any extras, as the video claims wrong. Look it up and see the exchange rate in US dollars. For those of you who despise the Ducati, the hard reality of the Italian model's unmatched quality irritates you.
@@nickedee99 no
You’re talking about prices in Europe. Not the US. Where you are buying it makes a difference. Not a Ducati hater. I actually respect it. But in the US, Japanese is cheaper
R9 for sure. Do not forget Ducatis basic maintenance cost and repairs can only be done by Ducati dealers and are astronomically higher than a Japanese bike.
Yep
This V2 can be done by anyone since there are no desmo valves into it
Not true, on this model there is no desmodromic sistem, so is a "normal" bicilindric engine, but very ligth, powerfull , and high torque...just ready at 3000rpm ducati is always better, after all, even without desmo❤
@@albertocalderisi1000 Lol no yamaha over ducati any day. With the 48% reliability issue rate of ducati, this is a no brainer.
PA-NI-GA-LE
not PA-NI-GALE
perhaps you program the AI voice to pronounce it the correct way.. i always watch your comparison videos.. please do something about it, cheers
Stop crying
😂😂😂
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Why though? To create engagement in your videos? Instead of you correcting it.. You're doing this.. What a shame..
Mate that shift cam is the biggest reason to want the v2, however the cbr600rr and zx6r are probably still the better rider experience, track times? Don't know, I'd bet they're all probably the same with a professional rider.
Shift cam is just something more prone to breaking.
@skylerbentley8713 if all cars have it, what makes you think it will be a liability?
Ahh the duc is beautiful. I have the old v2 and I'm definitely getting this one soon I just love the way it looks
Even with the HP/Torque being lowered you still interested in it? Why if I may ask.
Ducati has 3% more performance but is 22% more expensive? Definitely sticking with yamaha
My 10 year old Daytona 675 seems so good right now…
Don´t even dare sell it. Don´t you even think about it.
That’s the thing though, there’s no new bike to replace it. I might as well spend a few more k’s on the old bike, huh? 😂
Due to euro 5 regulations, these bikes are aimed at reducing emissions, we will not see such bikes like 675 anymore unfortunstely
@@ata.elithium Nor would we see street 1000cc bikes like we did in the early 2000s again. Around 180hp, but only weighing 160kg dry. At least not those made for the general market.
My dad just sold his 2011 675r, had barely used it. Tried convincing him not to sell but was too late
R9 all day everyday
Had a 1299s brand new. loved it so much I got up to 7,500mi. I want a Yamaha just change oil and filters for 25k+ miles
The yamaha is still more dependable, regardless of what anybody says. Bang for your buck, The yamaha is still the winner. Besides, its not like you would buy either of them for the track only. They're both just fast street bikes.
That's like saying the R6 wouldn't be bought for track use only..?
@silent_fluo6917 that's pretty much all those are used for.
Team Yamaha 9 for sure! 👍🏼
Could you do a comparison on the Daytona 765 moto2 to the R9
not only because I already ordered one but my vote goes for R9 without a doubt. The price, tech, and the looks. and the videos shows the basic v2, not the v2s which probably gonna be even more expensive so yeah.....
I wouldn't want either of them. Probably an MT-09 not an R9 over this super budget non desmo Ducati. Theyre even on board with this less is better bs now. No 👎The 749 and 848 ,1048 and last v2 Pinagale were super sexy exotic too.
R9 forever 💙💙💙
R9 is available in black, instant win.
It's hard enough being seen on the road. Why pick a color that blends you to the road? Lol.
@@ThermicLight because it looks badass
@@hardXful - More like the most boring color imaginable. If anything hides design elements than enhances.
@@ThermicLight to each their own. All my clothes, tech stuff and my bike is black. I love it
Wait till the Panigale comes out in Black on Black
R9 is lower compression ratio and get similar power like panigale V2. So, I prefer R9❤
Red always ❤
The Italian needs to be seen racing on the track, regardless of what you think of them. After that, make your determinations. Because a nearly almost freshly new creation that infuriates the majority of people won't have an impact on the few motorbike experts in the field! Both motorcycles are regarded as being equally strong, and Ducati's effort is at least admirable and truthful!
I put my order in for the R9 in red. March is forever away!!
How did you do that?
@@joshvonpohle9624 I called the dealer and told them what I want, and they got me the first allication for their dealership with a $500 deposit. Power Yamaha in Sublimity OR. Ask for Matt, he's a great dude!
I put a deposit down for an allocation at Power Yamaha in Sublimity Oregon. I'm scheduled to receive their first allocation of the Red and White.
Is this the last year for the v2?
Could you make a comparison for Voge 660RR?
R9 🎉
keep up man nice vid, for me i liked the r9 more but I'm waiting for ktm rc990 to see what it'll offer.
V2s!!! But the r9 wins for the price ....
No more desmodromic, no more dry clutch, and no more single sided swing arm
Cut cost
@@jarrolightfeather4703 weight loss and better performance.
Single sided swing arm is purely for looks only.
Performs worse and weighs more.
Desmo valves are out, because variable valve timing is in.
That's also better for performance without needing a huge revs.
Dry clutch... There will be an aftermarket one but I wouldn't bother.
Pretty evenly matched, but keep in mind that the new Panigale is a DOWNGRADE in some ways... the current 2024 Panigale V2 would thrash the R9....
is the R9 Homologated for WSBK?
@@anonjohnnyG For the SuperSport class - yes.
It replaces the R6.
Panigale V2 have 155 ps,, not 119.6, and 104Nm, not 93.3
Bro r9 is replacement of r6 get your facts checked Yamaha is working on v4 engine to end dominance of Ducati
Ducati asking almost 16k for a v2 is insane.... i paid 17k for 2022 aprilia RSV4.... i'd stick with the yamaha, better value and more reliability.
Sir please bring a big video of r9 😢 i am not a big fan of yamaha but r9 is cool enough to drag me in 🙃
Also a r9 vs triumph in engine
R9
That's not how you pronounce Panigale.
Also doesn't Ducati publish power figures as measured at the wheel? I.e., a 120 hp Ducati is about the same as a 132 hp Yamaha if you grant a 10% loss from crank to wheel.
Crossplane Inline 3 vs Lightweight L Twin 😊
I’m buying the r9 as soon as I can.
コメント欄の海外の兄貴たちのコメント見るとヤマハがいかに愛されてるか分かるね
（cb650rに乗りながら😂）
Hard to get excited for any of these offerings. The price keeps going up in the sexiness of these bikes keeps going down.
I wish the R9 styling team had done a better job and gotten us rid of the disgusting huge circle headlight in the front, and some higher clip-ons like the new Panigale.
You will always try to find some so-called disadvantages, whether it's about the price or the equipment.
price or equipment, since both have the same equipment and do not differ at all.
The price of the Italian is clearly within reasonable limits, although some unfairly criticize it for being more expensive; personally, I find this an excuse.
Regarding the Japanese one, not everyone will buy it in cash but also in installments, where the trap lies and no one pays attention, with an interest rate of 6% for all installments, which means additional cost. Don't act smart because that shows ignorance.
In Greece, the price has been officially announced at 15,000 euros, so what affordability are you talking about? and are you sure that the American market costs what the dealership there says? These are nonsense; this happens everywhere when the respective government imposes taxes where it has interests.
The Italian model is clearly the counterpart to the Japanese model in all aspects, regarding the one less cylinder, its brake disc calipers which are completely better and more effective in all conditions and in both versions, regardless of what the video wants to say to justify and speak well of the Japanese model. Also, @SecondGearYT, your intentions are clearly visible, as well as the language you use and the presentation you make, indirectly and deliberately stating that the base version and the V2S of the Italian model do not have cruise control and multimedia, while in reality, they are included in the equipment of the Italian model. Be careful what you say because these are inaccuracies, and the thousands of viewers will boo and reject you. You are talking nonsense; there is standard EBC engine equipment that you say doesn't exist with a red icon at 3:08, while it is standard (see on site), or am I the fool? I don't think so, because that way you are underestimating my intelligence and that of the other viewers.
I don't think so because that way you underestimate my intelligence and that of the other viewers.
Please ducati panigal 4v vs r1 m
Plz plz plz
the red princess, please
Ducati V2 all day long
New supersport era is coming boys
R9 killer? In this price range and at that power level it's barely an R6 killer. Bring back real motorcycles tree huggers.
The duc won’t even beat an r6 lol
I’m awaiting the 2025 Streetfighter V2, but I think most people will go Yamaha R9 over the Panigale V2 for its affordability, especially if the specs are identical.
its not pani-GALE, its pani-GAL-ee. thats the problem with using AI voice generation.
Is it not Pan-i-ghal-ay?
The price makes it a non competitor with the R9, the v2 competes with the base R1 price wise and that wins hands down. Unfortunately thats mostly for the US since europe doesnt get the R1 anymore.
The Yamaha stock exhaust weighs 5kilos, anyone in their right mind will ditch and fit an akra and retune.
I pick the Yamaha
R9 right away
Ngl R9 absolutely wipes the floor on this one, which is odd since Ducati is normally the king by miles
R9 all day
The way you pronounce Panigale is doing my head in 😅
Bro content is on whole another level ❤
Panigale v2 is the best
And then there's the KTM 990 RC R.
More power.
More Torque.
Less weight.
Breaks down before you can break it in
@knifetoucher I haven't heard of any issues with the 990 models.
But I guess crying on the internet is trendy these days.
@@wiwwee1 I mean, between Yamaha Ducati and KTM, there is only 1 of those that are about to go out of business cuz no one's buying their bikes, can you guess which? (here's a clue, it rhymes with ray pee fem)
@@knifetoucher KTM makes and sells 5 times more motorcycles per year than Ducati.
And Ducati was pretty much fooked before Audi buying them.
But according to you no one is buying KTM despite them selling 300000 bikes more per year.
They did make loads of expensive electric bikes that don't sell and have inventory at dealers.
That's a financial burden.
Ktm in china 😂
Ducati is the best
Panigale
Unless the bike are for different purpose, if both the same for those of you say R9 just cuz you can't afford a Ducati😂😂
Yammer trumps it … the Ducati is £15,000 for 118hp .. no thanks
lol does the price match up 😅😂
Ducati V2 any day.
Team yamaha!
If they were exactly equalI would still choose the R9... I have 1 Ducati dealership within 20 miles of my house... I have 3 Yamaha dealerships.
Ducati all day dude!
$3000 less and includes cruise control (a must for my next bike) standard? Plus, I already have an MV Agusta F4 RR. Plus I've never owned a Yamaha and still pine for the early 00s R6s? I guess I will be doing an R9 demo ride for sure.
Ducati is down struggle 🤣
Pani Gale
Can we have someone fix the pronunciation of AI. It drives me nuts!
Not even the same price category
Exactly the yam is miles better for the money
Got to be the yamaha, ducati too much maintenance reliability issues and a whole lot more expensive.
Yamaha R 9 for me
It comes down to style, performance and class for me. Ducati all day
OMG I cringe every time he said Pan-e-gail
Pan-A-gal ??? If AI is so smart...
It should be able to pronunciate words.
Some wrong information and panigale even in English is not that way you pronounce!!!!!😂😂😂😂😂
Without price ducati is better that engine is amazing for a v twin amazing it weighs so little even carrying 1 liter more of fuel and with the base model without the lithium battery. That means it has room to become even lighter. The frame and engine make it amazing. Price is the only thing that makes them somewhat even. You can buy a lot of stuff with 3k that you save getting the R9 instead. 3k can get you a full titanium exhaust, sprint air filter and a tune. Or better riding gear. Or a vacation somewhere.
As a Yamaha fan and owner the Japanese bike wins on this one and the maintenance I promise you will not be a headache like Ducati…I like Ducati and would own one but I wouldn’t use it as a daily rider bike but Yamaha wins on this one. I’m patiently waiting for 25 r1 to hit the showroom floors 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽
The only positive of this Ducati is it doesn’t need the desmo service anymore.
Without Desmo I think it will relieve the headache yea
Yamaha definitely wins but god damn those winglets are so ugly 💀
Pani Gial 😂
😮
Waiting for R9 to Philippines in 2025 bigbike...
Up
I know which one I would pick for reliability.
Already put my deposit down for the R9 in March
R9’s are now delayed until mid to late summer.
Yamaha is just a joke now 😂
In the US the Gen z loves it. It's breaking my heart and ballz when I'm out on the road. They're trying to school me on my S1K is a waste.
@@davidlagno7717 new generation is just a bunch of possy
Same here they mostly ride scooters and cry when I'm speeding 🤣
@jarrolightfeather4703 The bullshit I hear is pathetic. I don't even care. I ride alone. I used to have respect for anyone on 2 wheels but they believe all the youtube and marketing bull$hit all these commuter bikes we would've laughed at yrs ago. Fug em
@@davidlagno7717 may I know what they are trying to school u on about?
I own 2 gsxr 750’s a zx6r and the mighty ninja 250. I want the R9 so I guess I love Yamahas little new joke
Her konuda daha sağlam ve üztün özellikler sunan japon kalitesi varken neden iki silindire o kadar para vereyim ki ?
I don't understand why they downsized from the 150 horsepower. Such a unique bike. The v2. Now it's just competing with R9. This is a very disappointing bike
V2 got nerfed
R9 anyday, it also sounds better
Side note, the R9 would sound alot better.
r9 all day