TaylorMade Stealth Plus vs SIM2 vs SIM | TaylorMade Drivers Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- The new TaylorMade Stealth Plus driver is the newest low-spin driver offering from TaylorMade. It features a new all-carbon design, including a 60X Carbon Twist Face. But how does it compare to the TaylorMade SIM2 and the TaylorMade SIM?
In this video, 2nd Swing's Drew Mahowald and Thomas Campbell test the TaylorMade Stealth Plus, TaylorMade SIM2, and TaylorMade SIM drivers in a head-to-head test using Trackman technology.
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Every second swing video I've watched has called the newer model a winner, every time
it seems visually noticeable that your swinging harder with the stealth driver
Same with the sim vs sim 2
His swing speed went from 113 sim, 113.9 sim2, then 115 stealth.
As you warm up you can swing harder. He can say whatever he wants but he’s definitely swinging faster with the stealth, hence the higher ball speed.
Stealth is lighter. I have tried all 3 and can easily swing the stealth faster than sim or sim2.
It doesn’t have to be visual the data says it’s so. Definitely got more loose as time went. There’s nothing in those numbers. If anything the sim is more efficient at a slower speed.
Yes, he did swing harder with the Stealth.
Guys I love the reviews, but it was noticeable that he was 'going after' the drives with the stealth plus way more than the SIM's, which can explain the extra SS and Ball speed
Exactly what i was going to post. It’s like a 1.5mph swingspeed increase on the stealth vs both the others which has nothing to do with the driver itself. Just him swinging harder. The comparison between the sim and sim 2 was as spot on as you can get, but to swing faster at the ball and say the stealth is outperforming the other two…nah. The swingspeed over the sim is nearly 2mph faster which is pretty substantial. The spin rates were nearly identical for all of them.
He has to sell these after all, that's how he makes a living. But yes, not much integrity with this sales pitch of a video.
@@method341 I don’t think that’s fair. There have been plenty of reviews where Thomas and the 2nd swing crew find no difference. Radspeed vs king cobra sz. Many other examples. Sometimes they find a little bit. Sometimes they don’t. They also just showed a video where several clubs beat out the stealth plus. So on that day Taylormade didn’t pay enough to them to rig it?
I was very suspect of the Stealth hype before I got to swing it. I got my chance at a local club fitting day and I came away super impressed. I don’t know if it’s the shape of the clubhead, the weighting or the Mitsubishi Kai’li shaft I was fitted for with the Stealth… But I think Ian @TXG really summarized it best in his review when he said there is just something about the stealth that invites you to really go for it when you swing it. It’s hard to describe unless you have swing club
yep , I noticed that too ... secret way to sell a few more Stealths and please the sponsors ...; ) All these youtube reviewers pull the same thing and people are catching on to it
2nd Swing to the Rescue . Sim2 wins . C'mon man , Just make swings. Everyone can see you swinging faster when you have the Stealth in hand. Leave the marketing out and let the Viewers
decide . By the way Titleist has dominated on Tour so far this year. TSI3 without any carbon or fancy bells and Whistles . Just saying . Keep up the good work.
It's interesting to note every RUclips club-fitter/seller gets increased club speed/ball speed with the new stealth, but every RUclips golfer/reviewer doesn't. Maybe it's psychological? Thanks for the video though. just seeing Thomas swing is worth the like!
I picked up about 6-7 mph ball speed with the Stealth. I swing fairly hard though so one big benefit to the Stealth is the fact they have really nice shafts standard at no up charge. For me the Mitsubishi Kai’li shaft really suits me.
I haven’t hit the Rogue yet to see what I can do with it when properly fit. Im not x cited to find out.
I lost about 10 yards from my sim no increase of speed I went for sim 2 as slightly longer than sim but better dispersion our local golf centre hadn't sold one stealth driver in 2 weeks
I tried the stealth and stealth plus. I got faster club speed with the stealth plus and sim2 compared to my sim but the sim2 was just as fast as the stealth plus but had a higher smash factor and ballspeed than the stealth plus. Everyone produces slightly different results but for me the sim2 is still the best driver I’ve hit to date. Also for me the sim2 spins more than the sim more similar to the sim max but has more fade bias which is good because that keeps me at 1900-2100rom whereas the sim could drop to 1600rpm. My takeaway is the stealth can swing faster with great aerodynamics but it didn’t translate to ballspeed or distance. The stealth was the same distance as the sim but the sim2 has an extra gear. I want to see what the cobra ltdx ls will do.
When doing comparisons like this, it's normal for swing speed to go up as you loosen up so it only makes sense that the club you hit last has better numbers, barring any inconsistencies in the swing. TXG, fitter and reviewing channel, mentions the loosening up = more speed a few times in some of equipment reviews.
@@Nichorobo I would go a step farther and say to test the clubs over a 1 month period 4 different times as speed and delivery can change or at least until you can identify patterns or tendencies you produce. That's why I'm not a fan of club fittings where you go into a store and walk out with a new club 45minutes later and that one window is supposed to fit you for the next 1-2 years.
great comparison video with Thomas....so consistent in your swing that it really shows what club stands out.....thanks.
I don’t know if it’s just me, but it 100% looks like you are swinging much harder with the stealth driver. Like forcing it to go further
Okay, 2 mph difference between the Stealth and either of the Sims will add the ball speed difference. But is it worth the $200 - $250 price tag difference over the Sim which I still see brand new in some stores? No. I'll stay with my Sim Max.
worse thing about the sim max is the small face.
It would be nice to see a mid to high handicapper trialing these clubs,
I’ve had all 3 of these drivers. The first 2 are better in my opinion. Playing the 5S Fujikura Ventus shaft in all, the stealth has cost me 50 yards. Had I not broken 2 Sim2’s I wouldn’t have the stealth as a warranty swap.
All things being equal, I'll take the Sim 2. It looks prettier.
Agreed ... I have the original Sim and its been stellar and much better looking than the stealth and just as long ... The Sim and the Sim2 are wonderful drivers and good looking too not to mention cheaper as of now ... Great time to pick one up
I think SIM 2 is prettier than SIM….however, the adjustable weight seems to make a big difference….I found that I have more carry and total distance w/ SIM over SIM 2
@@anthonypaino4991 Yes I like the sim2 also , but lack of the sliding weight is a big negative for me as I change mine quite often such as if your playing a course with a lot of right to left doglegs , I will move the weight in a little to help draw it a little more . Also , I like to keep my drivers for 2-4 years and the bottom of the Sim2 looks to me like it would get all scratched up faster which annoys me . Cant say if one is longer than the other have only had the sim . I came from the M3 and the sim spins less so get some extra free yards .... Thanks Anthony for your comment
I bought several clubs from you guys.. Very satisfied.. Thanks
Thank you for shopping with us and watching our videos - Thomas
Guys are killing it!
Thank you for watching! - Thomas
Tried stealth and rogue. Could not get along with them. Glad TSI3 will be staying in the bag.
Interesting. I wonder the results if you had hit the drivers in reverse order. I've not seen any other tests with these results. The m5 has performed as good or better than the stealth for some swings when hit every other vs a set of balls with each.
I’ve seen a lot of tests get higher swing speed with the stealth plus. I wonder if it’s a little bit of a lighter head? Most of the other reviews are seeing a little more head speed, but ball speed has been hit or miss on surprising sim2 or peers. Could also be the head shape/aerodynamics. All are 460cc, but the stealth plus certainly looks more compact in footprint. I just tested one for the first time and didn’t hit enough to conclude on speed. I certainly did notice better spin consistency and forgiveness vs my SIM2.
@@mvansb23 yes ive seen the same - faster swing speeds with lower ball speeds on average. It is possible the stealth fits this guy better or inspires confidence. I'm just kind of convinced buying a 2-3yr old club from any leading manufacturer and getting professionally fit with the extra cash is the way. It seems there is more distance to be gained with the golf ball than there is in equipment in 2022.
Hence the honest manufacturers are marketing stability at this point.
Yes Matt Agreed... I have seen the same
Haha I was thinking the exact same thing! He could have been swinging harder and looser. Either way I see three very similar drivers!
Sim and Sim2 are just as good distance wise even with a biased swing. Plus they look better than the new release.
Most people here are unaware that the carbon face has 2 benefits. 1- they were unable to improve ball speed with titanium anymore. And 2 the carbon face is 26 grams lighter than the titanium face. Saving 3-4 grams per year to reposition the weight for a desired performance is huge. They saved 26. So more accuracy in the Stealth and more draw bias with the Stealth HD. It’s not always about distance.
Many good points about the difference in swing speed. If you just want to make a conclusion on the dispersion graph the Sim2 wins hands down!
Tom has the best swing on RUclips.
I'm still playing my old trusty R9 driver, and torn between Sim2 and Stealth. I'm also factoring in that my dad has the Sim 2 and don't necessarily want the same club as him, but ultimately it comes down to money and performance. Thanks for the info, but I'm leaving still torn! lol
Nothing like outdriving your Father (or Father-in-law in my case) with the same club… haha
I think TM is following Callaway’s pattern of offering moving weights in the driver head every other year. For example, this year’s Rogue ST line no longer has a movable weight track where Epic offered a head with that option last year.
such a silly carrot on a stick that the certain manufacturers are abusing. At least ping and Titleist aren't playing into that.
Keeping my original SIM. Might upgrade in a few years
It is good to see that Drew and Thomas are back together providing great informational content golf equipment videos. Drew and Thomas are irreplaceable. I am still waiting for my 2022 Callaway Rogue ST Max driver that I ordered through your store. I understand the backlog currently from the manufacturer. Very excited to get my new driver soon. I like how Drew builds up Thomas's ego with the "WOW's" after Thomas hits a 325+ yard drive down the middle of the fairway.
Sure. What about the unaddressed disparity in club head and swing speed which explains all the differences? But no John wants to talk about 'WOWs' and building ego. Awesome.
I also mentioned that I got my new driver, a 2022 Calaway ST Max. After watching several videos and talking and working with a fitter. Testing the new Taylor Made Stealth Driver and Callaway . . . I was much more consistent with the new Calaway. I didn't really need to know about unaddressed disparities.
Great review. 3mph ball spwed over Sim is incredible. SIM is longest driver I've ever played but looks like I might get about 4-5 yards more with the Stealth. Amazing where tech and the limits of COR has gotten us.
What? Can you not read club speed data?
Thomas... whatever happened to the super speed training. Are you still doing it. What’s your overall take. Have you gained what you wanted.
Great Comparison, would be nice to see all 3 of the #3 Woods compared
Why did you swing the stealth faster than the rest? That's the difference!
Interesting results, looks like most players aren't gaining distance. Just goes to show every swing is different. Maybe it is more forgiving just off the sweet spot
I'm looking forwards to the stealth 2 next year lol
I would love the stealth plus.
I'll tape the one you cut and use it.
I would really like to see you bring another employee in that is maybe an 18 hcp player and put them in the test with you guys. Maybe two, one being 20ish the other 50ish. The difference in swing speeds would make for interesting data.
Franklin loved your comment Thomas hit’s it so sweetly every time, I would like to see how normal golfer’s get on, Plus would like to see an older golfer with a slower swing speed would get on with the Different Driver’s, Thanks Dickey UK
The lesson is not about the driver. It’s about the numbers. Hit up on the ball 5-7 degrees with a square face and the ball will go no matter what the club if it is fit right. It can be fit wrong if you hit up with a square face. You won’t max out but the ball will go. Learn to hit up and square the face. That is worth more than the club.
What was the loft of these drivers during the test?
Great review. Is the stealth head a bit lighter than sim and sim 2?
Before I watch the video I’m going to go out on a limb and say longest is #1. Stealth, #2. Sim2 #3. Sim.
Are the heads of similar weight? If the swingweight is different that could be the reason for the increase in clubhead speed.
OK, so Stealth beats TM's earlier models. Good deal. Now lets see how Stealth does versus the new Cobra, which from the reviews I have seen may be the fastest of the 2022 drivers to come out so far. Thanks for the video.
'OK, so Stealth beats TM's earlier models' - How so? Can you not read club speed data and see swing speed? Jesus, people like you pay for TM's silly marketing every year, so easily fooled.
@@jonnydempsey4380 It's not just this review but a number of others that have shown that the Stealth head consistently has slightly better head speed around the face - especially on mishits. Are they all wrong? But what counts more to me are brand-to-brand tests as all the companies are working on gradually improving results all over the face as much as they can. The Cobra is one that seems to be very good, but we have yet to see Ping, Titleist and others new models. Furthermore, Jesus, people like you seem to have their head in the sand.
those carry #'s can be right. 301 with only 171 ball speed?
Tried the stealth it’s good but I will have to stay with my ping g425 max
Moral there’s nothing in it. Swing either of these three and your good
Stealth plus should have been tested with the sim2 max and sim max. Other than that great video
Thanks for watching. The Stealth Plus, Sim 2 and Sim are the low spin models which is why they were compared while the Stealth, Sim 2 Max & Sim Max are the more forgiving models - Thomas
Yes all the club fitters/sellers will warm up with the older models first and once they get all loose and adjusted they will hit the new model last to show that the new model is better. In other wards they wants you to buy the new model, it’s a nasty business but effective. 🍻
You should compare it to the SLDR 430.
What shaft?
Can you do the standard model stealth Vs SIM 2 max for us high handicap player as we all won't get fitted into the stealth+ and RUclips reviews seems to concentrate on the better player model the stealth+!!!
When your swinging the stealth plus 2mph faster than the sim… what else where you expecting with the farther distances?! At least make it a fair test!!
Only one way to find out is test it for yourself..🤘🙌
2 mph swing speed is the difference in ball speed and carry. I’d take the sim2 all day with those numbers and dispersion. I think Thomas would too.
I have Sim and Sim2 and have held the stealth…… you know what, as a 12 handicapper the Sim is longer than Sim2, flies higher and easier to maneuver. @$579 for a Stealth I doubt it’s worth the money
What shaft was that?
So my question is, what is his gamer? Personally, I think the Sim 2 is better for him because of accuracy. Distance does not always mean better if you miss the fairway.
His gamer is callaway epic max ls I believe
Just got me the sim 2 max 🙂
just dropped 550 on EPIC I'm good...
Just got fitted for the stealth plus this past weekend. Tried every driver out made and the stealth was 3mph club head speed more and about 10yrds on carry more
Sim2 went further than the stealth if you check their video when they compare m5,sim,sim2
Same club head speed each year too. Seems to always be biased towards the newest club
Please compare to M1 2017 and the M2. Thanks
M2 is a beast. For him won’t be that big of a difference. For the average golfer the newer club will be more forgiving when you don’t hit center.
Out of curiosity, I know you used the same shaft for the sake of consistency, but would we see such a stark difference on the odd bombs between Stealth and Sim/Sim2 if each had their own perfectly fit shaft?
Yea but then you would get 100 comments saying. You have to use the same shaft to test. Which to me is nonsense.
Yea it's sort of making each driver as optimized as possible for the person and then seeing where the results differ. If the best possible iteration of a Sim is 30y less than the best possible Stealth etc.
All in the swing speed. Progressively got faster.
It looks like the carbonwood age will soon be ushering in the supportive sales trend known as the recovery club age for tmag.. that's a very wide dispersion ring
Do you actually understand what you're looking at? That's a dispersion pattern of 15 - 25 yards. That's incredibly impressive carrying the ball 300 yards. Any PGA Tour player would go into debt to buy the strokes that this would gain off the tee over the course of a season.
@@MahanFan1 pros don't bag stealth to lose the middle and gain 2 or 3yds on a small percentage of shots, that's what you do and your friends do and TM makes billions bc of it.. Meanwhile the actual pro tour isn't adopting TM in record numbers that goes to another OEM. Thanks for the note to ask me do I know what I'm looking at though 😆
@@Somewheredownintexas You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Even the best drivers of the ball have a dispersion of around 65 yards at 300 yards carry - which just happens to be what most fairways measure between penalty hazards. Just take a look at most equipment free agents and see what driver they have in the bag. Probably 90% have a TM of some sort. This is my last reply and I won't engage you any further.
For what it’s worth - of the 22 “equipment free agents” in the Top 125 in the world, 19 are using a TaylorMade driver
Seems like SIM is still best…tried comparing clubhead speed:
113.3 SIM = 165.7 ball speed BUT 297.5 carry/318.5 total
113.3 SIM2 = 167.8 ball speed w/ 295.1 carry/312.7 total
Stealth’s lowest clubhead speed was 114.1 and had 168.6 ball speed at w/ 292.4 carry/316.4 total
Do you think tm will heavily discount the sim 2 ?
probably will stay around 400 dollars.
In my observation, OEM’s will discount previous gen clubs $50-$100 unless the plan is to keep that driver in the current model lineup. You’ll probably find better deals in the used market as people are trading in for the new model.
@@atxrich this is where the real savings is. Amd demo bin.
I would say the stealth is not better just a gimmick to buy new. Ive hit it and its 5td less than my. G410 lst. So kinda funny seeing this
Have bothe sim and stealth and one thing is for sure sim 2 is by far the better driver more forgiving and more distance its no brainer see it on the golf course difrent player all say the same so i know these guys get freebees form TM but these claims aren't true can see the stealth was swing the hardest
I tested both the Stealt and the Stealth Plus. The Stealt spun between 1400-1500 rpm. But the Stealt Plus spun between 2200-2500 rpm. Both was 9 deg heads and with the same Proforce V2 Yellow shaft. Anyone else that had that experience where the supposed higher spin head spinns less than the lower spin head? I ended up bying the Stealth Plus in 9 deg.
I call bs on the results if toy go back when the sim 2 come out he was carying over 300 with it then.
Of course you swing almost 2 mph faster you gonna gain 5 yards carry lol
Look at club speed this doctored
In my average golfer opinion, the stealth driver is not very appealing to the eye ! I was also watching a YT clip of a fella hitting one in a simulator & the carbon face flew off ! 😳 Apparently it’s the second one it’s happened to for him !
May be “surprising” to you “experts” but swinging the club 2mph faster will make it go further. Should honestly do it fair and not go after the higher price driver. Let me guess, next year the stealth 2 will be 2 mph faster than the stealth…
What happens when the covering over the face wears off? Better make sure you don’t hit range balls with a little sand on them.
I've owned M1, M4, M6, SIM and SIM 2. The build quality seems to be getting worse every year. I wont be getting the Stealth...
Basically unless your driver is 20 years old, there’s no real reason to upgrade for the average golfer
I mean 290-300 is not a big difference when it comes to driver. I’ll spend 300$ on a sim vs double that for a stealth and maybe 10 yards. Not worth it
And yes, in one freaking year this will be outdated! I hit my Sims 2 max as straight as a gig handle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Keep your carbon!
Buying a sim 2 at the end of the metal wood era must feel like buying the 2019 vette only to have the mid engine bad ass version out the next year
🤣 SIM & SIM2 are fairly SIMilar ! 🤣👍
The more you are warmed up the better the later hits are. no wonder your progression followed that exactly here. Its a flaw every driver test i see on You tube.
Sorry you should look at the video again
Your body language with stealth was like a long drive champion where as the other clubs was more like you are trying to hit fairway I don’t see the advantage.
Taylormade offers different face colors now.
That’s player.
I've sim 2 I hate sliding weight ,gets ypu in a bad habit
This comparison is USELESS unless you struck all 3 drivers in similar locations on the face. Where was your strike locations?
Probably about the same since the smash factor was about the same.
Can you not read club speed data and see swing speed? Jesus, people like those in these comments pay for TM's silly marketing every year, so easily fooled.
No gain. If you swing faster, the ball will go further.
Not worth spending that amount of $.
Great advertisment for TM
It kept looking uglier after the regular SIM..
BS. So basically if you swing harder and faster the ball goes further. Typical TM salesman.
Stealth sounds so crap