The tragedy is, Geto knows he's in the wrong on some level. It's why he has to "keep telling himself he hates monkeys". But in a helpless and awful situation, he chooses the path that gives him self-affirmation and a sense of purpose/conviction, that there's a "meaning" to his killing. It's also why he tells Gojo that if he tried to kill Geto, that there would be meaning to that too, he understands why Gojo would kill him as part of Gojo's conviction. JJK is all about what you choose to live for, and die for.
i always imagined that the story between gojo and geto was a metaphor for depression and suicide. the depression is quite obvious, geto starts having these malevolent thoughts, clearly showing signs of distress (gojo asking geto if he's been losing weight). geto's last words to gojo were something along the lines of "in a world like this, i couldn't find a way to be happy from the bottom of my heart." i believe that geto knew deep down that his beliefs were wrong, and his goals were impossible. he knew that if he followed his envisioned path, it would surely lead to his death. even still, geto chose this death over having to live in a world where he can no longer find meaning. the story between gojo and geto is one of love, and tragedy; the tragedy of not being able to save a friend.
@@wyvern7456 absolutely great take but i think it's not just depression but madness in general, especially insanity that stems from severe trauma and a dysfunctional society. geto truly lost it, he knew he could never function in the confines of jujitsu society, and sought out the only way that managed to give him some meaning and some hope for a better future, otherwise, he was hopeless.
A lot of people forget geto saw rika get shot in the head. I bet that image plays in his mind over and over, her wanting to live free then boom on the floor with blood everywhere. That fucked him up
That keeps playing in my head, especially when she described basically prison life or being on the run as her childhood and she'll never get her freedom 😭😭😭😭
it was also because the disgusting nature of his technique that he has to eat cursed spirits which he has to do over and over to protect people that don't know what he does for them. For his whole life as a sorcerer, the cause didn't justify his means. He needed a bigger picture to keep doing what he has to do and taste every flavor of curses humans bring upon themselves. He learned to hate the chef, which cooked all the spirits that he keeps consuming.
Such a great point lm reminded of how Anime spoiler At the end of ep 4 is it.After Gojo kills Toji we see Geto walking and then that curse storage of Toji's inches towards him saying "mommy can l get a hug" (or something along those lines) ... he's grieving and just almost died and even after that all there was for him was curses
Geto’s ideology shift reminds me of 2 people: Yu Yu Hakusho’s Sensui - a spirit detective protecting humans from demons THEN seeing the cruelty of humans with demons X-men Magneto - living among humans THEN seeing humanity's fear & therefore cruelty against mutants
Seeing how Gege is a huge fan of Togashi's work, I think it's safe to say that Sensui was a major inspiration for Geto. Both great characters and I'm glad I'm not the only one that saw a bit of Magneto in Geto as well
@stars_end.830 I didn't know that he's a fan, thanks for sharing! I agree how characters like Geto, Sensui, Magneto are so compelling. They want justice but they cannot tolerate a one-sided justice that is usually forced/imposed by humans.
Magneto, you forget, is a Jewish man that survive the Holocaust. He identified discrimination that mutants were facing because he, himself faced it before and knew what would happen if no one put a stop to it.
@trinityblue8162 I'm only familiar with Magneto through the movies and I actually love his character because despite being shown as a "villain," I can't seem to hate him. He's actually my favorite character in x-men
another side we have to understand here is when all this happened geto was just a teenager. a literal kid. he obviously suffered from major depression and mania but never received the support he needed. he also seem to affected by separation anxiety. he never got the guidance or any help from a responsible adult to stop him falling into a deep into the darkness. there was no "gojo sensei" like the main trio does that can speak up or look after the youth back then. gojo knows this, first hand experience. gojo was a kid himself probably understood it too late. that one sentence from the OP which is gojo's pv on geto says "the asphalt ground was echoing the chorus of cicadas, it prevented me from hearing your silence" I think gojo was thinking everything is fine as long as they were together and that happiness of geto being there, even if he was busy with missions probably not seeing him as much overshadowed geto's drifting self to gojo. Yaga on the other hand definitely guilty and failed as a teacher cause after geto defected (too late old man) having those interviews asking the purpose of being a jujutsu sorcerer from new students became a thing for him. And gojo became a teacher to "protect the youth" "change the system". whenever yuji swallows sukuna's fingers it always remind me how geto had to absorb all those horrible tasting curses at the same age probably since even younger age. geto's fate was doomed from the very beginning.
I like this, this is why Gojo behaves goofy and carefree for his students to enjoy their time and youth. He knows they could die at any time, he knows theyre too young to die. They should be able to enjoy baseball shopping eating out and having fun at an arcade. Even though he fails as a "teacher" hes not strict on them to act like sorcerers. If he reprimanded them constantly reminded them that they are sorcerers and can die any time thats very depressing, they are aware of it dont need to be reminded.
It also doesn’t help that kenjaku already had its sights set on getou when he was still a student. This means that even if, in some alternate universe, getou managed to retain his sanity and become a teacher, he would have probably still become a villain sooner or later by kenjaku.
The motivation behind Geto's action isn't necessarily the defending of the "weak". But by the nature of Geto's personality, he empathizes with the weak and seeks out their well-being, which become his tragic downfall. In creative writing, the use of power systems within a fictional universe is not just for entertainment purposes. The abilities that are given to a particular character are writing techniques utilized to draw out a character's personality traits. For example, Toph in Avatar the Last Airbender has the ability to control earth/rocks. Rocks are hard and heavy, Toph's character is stubborn and hard-headed; her powers reflect her character traits. Geto is a very caring and empathetic person. This is demonstrated in his curse technique "Curse Manipulation". In the first episode of season 2 Geto says that no one else knows what curse spirits taste like (swallowing a rag used to clean up sh*t and vomit). In order for Geto to become stronger and more useful in protecting people, he must consume the negative energy manifested as cursed spirits in order to exorcise more cursed spirits; it is a never-ending cycle of consuming curses for a "blessed/good" goal. This burden Geto has taken upon his own shoulders for the good of non-sorcerers. At the end of the Hidden inventory arc it is not a change of conviction that Geto has, but a realization of circumstance. He saw the the flaws of Jujuitsu society, all its politics, selfishness and ugliness. All the negativity of non-sorcerers towards one another and towards sorcerers manifesting itself in-yes, cursed spirits but also the murder of a young, weak, innocent girl wanting to live out her youth. Geto saw cycle he was trapped within, one he chose to serve, he saw his comrades give their lives for such a trivial cycle. Geto came to the conclusion that the only way for him to "fix" the problem was break free from it and to destroy the entire system. Because if he couldn't destroy it- the system would destroy them.
true. his empathy didn't change until the end. at first, he saw non-sorcerers as victims and wanted to protect them but soon realized that sorcerers are the biggest victims that are bound to suffer for the sake of others
@@valeriyav2149 Interestingly, to go along with your point Geto was happy that Yuta's classmates were trying to defend them against him and he also happy that Yuta was willing to fight him for his own ideals. The only JJK student he didn't like was Maki but I think thats moreso cause his trauma with Toji (Maki is pretty much another Toji) then actually hating her like he hates non-sorcerers. I think Geto was happy with those circumstances as he kind of realized that another kid like him slipping through the cracks wouldn't happen again. Yuta had the potenial of being another Geto if he had no support system and saw the worst of humanity and talked to the wrong people. He very easily could of gone that way. Geto saw that that wasn't the case for him and was actually happy for that even with all the bloodshed in the process. I am also sure he still trusts Gojo to know Gojo was doing a good job with helping him. Basically I think Geto was happy because the new generation wasn't repeating the cycle his was in. They were supporting eachother and willing to fight together for each other. To be stronger as a whole than alone.
@@WeaverOfStars I agree. he understood what Gojo has been doing to fix the system. even if it doesn't solve the root of the problem, it makes the life of sorcerers better. this generation has adults around them who actually care and protect them with Gojo in the lead. something Geto and others didn't have. obviously, he didn't even try to kill any of the sorcerers, which is exactly what Gojo trusted him to do, but he didn't even finish Maki off despite his supposed hatred. it reminded me of Gege saying Geto had to remind himself every day that he hated non-sorcerers to keep going
Nick’s suggestion for Geto to just tell everyone about curse spirits would just turn it into the world of Chainsaw Man, or Devilman, and that goes so well for everyone involved… so dumb
Sort of is my answer there. Because yes you run the risk of people's fear creating even stronger horrors, but likewise if any of these places heavily invested in mental health...that would be the answer. Having people understand the power of their fears and thus being able to both manage them and control them...well that would make for way less curses and way weaker curses. Sorcerers might as well be exterminators at that point. You call a sorcerer if you think something funny is going on. But the issue here specifically is that it would take a massive societal overhaul and that is hard and doing nothing is easy.
I just can believe someone I usually trust said something so dumb in this video, his idea is dumb and hard that is not even considered in the manga, making the jujutsu world free is the same as genocide, million of new curse spirit in 1 second and crazy quantity of bad ppl becoming sorceress too
I like your idea presented in the latter half of the video. There’s just one thing I’m worried about, one potential issue that could arise: if people begin to learn about cursed spirits and some people fear them enough to start learning jujutsu, but not all, then there’s a chance that a cursed spirit representing that fear of cursed spirits could manifest. That could be REALLY bad, who knows what kind of things it could do? Could it control other cursed spirits? Could it steal the techniques of other cursed spirits? Could it mess with someone else’s cursed energy? This could be something trivial, or more dangerous than Sukuna.
I disagree with his idea. Just telling the people about cursed spirits is just going to make things worse. If someone tells you not to think of a certain thing, then what’s the first thing you’re going to think of? What’s that quote from Men In Black? I forget the exact wording, but humans are stupid, panicky creatures that will stampede for nearly any reason. Honestly, the only way to deal with the source of curses without killing everyone is likely to be mass mind control to keep everyone docile without feeling fear or hatred. Which is impossible, and even if it was possible, it’d be just as horrible an idea as genocide.
@coltonwilliams4153 Correct. I mean for Fuck’s Sake think about. Cursed-Spirits are born from humanities negative emotions, what would happen if regular people found out that there existed invisible monsters that were the product of their own fears and hates and could easily kill them and those around them? LOL 😂 It would be absolute 𝑪𝑯𝑨𝑶𝑺
Geto gets depressed and borderline suicidal and his thoughts reflect that. He sees the normal humans as a hindrance, because of trauma, when non sorcerers have no way they could know, Jujutsu is secret
I beg to differ on the CIA. There’s a reason why special operators call them the “Clowns In Action” they do a lot of nasty things in the world and don’t have very much to show for it.
Nick, I think you're overlooking the fact that fears aren't rational and can't be rationalized away just because you know that the fear itself causes more harm than good. Hence, making the world aware of cursed spirits is actually going to increase their fear of it. By a lot.
You know, you've written a good villain. When people can sympathize with his struggle and identify with his beliefs. I spent most of the episodes sympathizing with him. Because he had such strong moral character, and he had to go through so much. Ingesting the curses which were described as disgusting only for the people. He was trying to protect to mock him when Riko died. Afterwards, hes suffering from PTSD And because he is separated from his best friend Due to circumstance, nobody notices his downward decline. He gets a little glimmer of hope with hibara, but he gets killed the same episode, and then he sees the two girls and finally snaps. He's a much more compelling villain than let's say naraku who was more "waaa the girl didn't like me im going to be a menace".😂
Geto is correct. So is Gojo. So is Yuki. So is Itadori. So is Megumi. So is Sukuna. SPOILERS AHEAD Yes. Even Sukuna is correct in his ideology. They're all correct because they all have the exact same ideology. I went back and read what Sukuna was saying to Itadori, and I thought about it. All of them have the same ideology, but it's at different stages attached to different personalities, and so it yields drastically different results from each of them. Sukuna's ideology can be summarized simply as, "The Strong should rule, the weak don't deserve to be happy." And while that may sound horrible on it's face, it is true. How? Look at Itadori. Sukuna asked him why was he weak. The weak exist at the whims of the strong. Everyone in Shibuya was weaker than Sukuna, so when Sukuna said "Don't run from the meteor or I off you" they had no choice but to obey. Itadori, as strong as he was, he was extremely weak in comparison to others. He had to become stronger to stand against Mahito. Let's look at Gojo. Gojo is strong but he wants others to be strong too. He doesn't want them to be weak because he knows only the strong get to live and only the strong can be saved. As he says, it's not enough that he alone be strong. Let's look at Geto. He wants to get rid of non-sorcerers, and he's willing to go through with it because he's strong enough to even make the attempt, even though he isn't the strongest. Strength & Weakness are the core ideological through line in the series. Should the Strong protect the Weak or do as they please? What does it mean to be strong? What does it mean to be weak? But what's not negotiable is that you have to be Strong to even get to ask those question. I choose who to save and do so unequally (Megumi and Geto). But to make that choice, to save the people I want to save, I must be strong (Itadori). However it's not enough that I be strong, others must be strong as well (Gojo and Sukuna). The same ideology, just different stages applied in different forms by different people.
Sorry but I think this take is wrong… To start imo the main point of the show is about death and life not strength and weakness, but that’s very debatable Then, to relate Geto’s fascist ideals to Itadori’s and Gojo’s philosophy is just weird… An ideology is a system of ideas and ideals. That being said, the only thing all of those characters ideology have in common is the value of strengh, that’s not enough similarity to say they are the same. Gojo have always been the strongest and treated as so, so inherently strenght is important to him. The shift is when he realises he can’t save everyone, so he wants people to be strong to not rely on him so much, this way they have more chance to survive. Itadori wants to help people and save those he could, bc thats his purpose in life and bc he doesn’t want to die alone. To do that he needs to be strong. Sukuna is a hedonist, he lives for his pleasures, and to do that he needs to be strong to escape the consequences. He also takes pleasure in fighting and becoming stronger Geto think of Jujutsu sorceres as perfected humans, and want the “weak” all to die, bc he has no respect for them. I think your last paragraph that sumarizes a single ideology with all their points combined pretty good and makes sense. Except i dont think Sukuna wanting other’s to be strong makes much sense there, and the “unequaly” part of Megumi and Geto are not comparable, Megumi chooses to save assortatively bc he knows he can’t save all, Geto chooses to save ONLY the strong by actively attacking the weak…
No because if you have read the manga you basically know that the JJK world and the nature of curses was manipulated for centuries in various ways to create this outcome and that was done without the influence of humans but people like Kenjaku, Tengen And Sukuna. Geto basically saw a symptom and was emotionally hurt into accepting said extreme there were other options he just could not forgive the concept of humanity after the pain normal humans gave him. Yuki, Kenjaku, Tengen both think its possible to make everyone into curse users But given everything we know Geto lacked so much info (also he was influenced by the negative energy of the curses he absorbed and slowly was influenced by that as well) In practise/theory its sound but it practically requires you to ignore so much you have to be emotionally driven to accept said outcome. it's alot different than say magneto or Eren where there cause not a by product of the world but a product of peoples direct interaction with them If you are willing to blame the world for your death then you should also blame the world for your birth too
I think the part where they should inform non-sorcerers may bring more harm than good, in a sense that jujutsu knowledge at a global scale could create things like: 1. Government-sanctioned jujutsu sorcery as weaponry (imagine cursed energy harnessed as nuclear-level weapons) 2. As a result of (1), some governments might resort to massive "emotional manipulation" of their own people just to harvest more cursed energy 3. Legislations that could result in discrimination against jujutsu sorcerers, (like that in X-Men) For me, these 3 reasons far outweigh the good, which is people having the awareness and thus control over their fears and emotions. (knowing the current state of our world, if Jujutsu sorcery really exists, it is best to keep it to themselves lmao)
Not to mention the fact that the fear and panic of discovering that fear and hatred can create invisible beings that will torment and/or murder countless people will almost definitely cause more curses to be born. Anyone who says otherwise has way too much faith in humanity.
I feel like Geto more closely aligns with Sensui from Yuyu Hakusho; both characters fought for what they thought was right when faced with what they believe to be the naturally evil “villains” in curse spirits, but then places his ideals under a finer lens and ultimately flips when discovering evil exists on all sides and sometime the easiest answer is kill the worst one (which is of course subjective to the person feeling this way)
I love this take. Sensui was a great character and I don't know if Gege is influenced by Togashi in any way but I always felt like much of JJK and Gege's writing style reminds me of Togashi. I never compared Geto to Sensui though but you're right.
I think the eren comparison does not work here, because in erens case he wanted to stop the cycle of wars, which in the end he did only temporary, but Geto killing all non sorcerers will erease all curse spirits for good and create a society on even grounds.
That isn't guaranteed. We are already shown there are aberrations like heavenly restrictions, there is nothing to say that sorcerer's having non-sorcerer kids isn't likely or even guaranteed. What is Geto going to keep killing every non-sorcerer that is born? Because that is what he would have to do in order to enact his plan. Remember that Geto's parents were non-sorcerers.
@@Tyrantofthewindthat's what this idea of selective pressure and forced evolution is about: following the massacre of non-sorcerers, more and more sorcerers will be born or become sorcerers in result of being put in life-or-death situations
@@tienluong9648 only if you kill them without using cursed energy and (that's not confirmed but seems likely to me) if they are overwhelmed by a negative emotion during this moment
Love the video. Only issue in my opinion was in 23:20. Again, in my opinion IF you try to implement this idea it COULD have the opposite effect as well. Creating even more fear. For tsunamis by your example, knowing that by YOUR specific fear YOU may influence and hurt more people. It COULD create massive fear, people feeling guilt etc, which only makes the problem worse. This tactic, yes, it could make things better or it could make them worse. Keep up the great videos!
Also jujutsu requires you too control your emotions. So sending the population into constant fear might have the opposite effect. Sorcery is more of a genetic trait anyways with people sorcerers coming from humans being a rare occurrence.
1:35 Nagato ended up being correct though. The "peace" that was achieved during Naruto's reign as Hokage was due to the fact that the other nations are too scared to cause trouble because of how ridiculously powerful Naruto and Sasuke had become. Just like Nagato's idea to have this super powerful Bijuu weapon, which technically Hokage Naruto right now, to force every nation to stay in line. Hence why the main antagonist in Boruto had to come from outer space with crazy ninjutsu negating abilities.
A jjk world where people are made aware if cursed spirits and the like would probably just be chainsaw man’s world. Sure there’s more sorcerers and people are aware that fear causes more problems, fear still exists because as they say in csm, any sane person *should* fear these terrifying monsters. On a side note, eren and geto’s ideologies can be summed up by that scene when eren points to the ocean and goes “if we kill everyone on the other side of this…will we finally be free?”
Thats why that scene in JJK0 where Geto says his last words and says he’ll always hate those monkeys. If you notice he clutches his shoulder and always thought it wasn’t because he was in pain but because he never believed that he hated them either.
I think there should've been stress put on the fact that if all non-sorcerers were wiped out curse spirits would no longer be created. I'm not saying Geto's ideology is correct, genocide is wrong. But I do think that it is important to bring up that part of his goal in getting rid of all non-sorcerers was to rid the world of cursed spirits thus eliminating the death and destruction caused by cursed spirits.
If the world knew that curses existed you would just get ChainSaw Man, a world where these creatures would be the #1 source of death in the world. In JJK curse spirits aren't that prevalent of a threat in the world.
Honestly, if humans fix their societal issues and took care of peoples mental health, and didn’t leave people behind, most of this cursed spirit business wouldn’t even be an issue because no one would be afraid or have negative feelings all the time. Like if people have everything they need and have to opportunities they need to survive and thrive. Like what would there be to be upset about? Also, yes, knowledge is power, and everyone knew about spirits and curses they could all fight against them and eliminate them. The more people that can use the special technique, the better.
Geto’s ideology is the same with sensui when he saw the ugliness of the humans. When you put it logically, you will just justify and agree with them. Having power or more dominant to others has a tendency of self righteousness and thinking that you ways is the best way and generalize everything.
When we talk about this subject. Do we consider how fragile human beings are ? How much our world can flip when we see through what is in the rabit hole? Is it not like you announce to the world, & The people would listen. It is more like a Damage to society, Chaos etc. If conveying your message, Agreeing and have a mutual understanding was so easy. Human society would never have hatred or War to begin with. So saying Eren, Geto etc "Oh Did they Try to this or that, Or atleast teach them would've changed the outcome" Is completely wrong. Wrong for 1 reason :- They took the consideration of what it is which I mentioned above and adding to their own experience and what they saw is accumulation of everything which resulted in what they finally come up with. There isn't such thing as Right and Wrong when you discuss about such topics to be honest.
I love it! Haven’t even watched have of these anime’s. But you lead me into watching them. I love that I have super in depth spoiler alerts, but I think of it as a perfect amount of information to have to get you much deeper into the story as you watch/read it
Suguru Geto sought transcendence, as Gojo had. As all people do, to alleviate their suffering. Basically, due to his feelings of insecurity, alienation, and loss of purpose, he sought to transcend his human condition. There are two means by which people achieve transcendence: Creation, and Destruction... Destruction is easy, exhilarating, but ultimately ruins whatever chance you may have had of reaching true transcendence. It's why we see the shift in his cognition so quickly after he gives into his impulse for destructiveness and commits his first spree of murders, where he develops a god complex - He had achieved negative transcendence and finally felt as though he had the power; a purpose to live for
I get why Geto is thinking like that but he’s really just doing what he fear’s none sorcerer’s would do to sorcerer’s. Also I would bet everything that if some random overpowered being showed up to him and goes all sorcerers must die cause some are jerks he’ll be mad as hell.
I halfway expect Tengen's long-term plan to be the same as Geto's, just with the added caveat that he's allowing the population of humans rise high enough that there will be enough Sorcerers to continue the species and he pulls the rug out from beneath Humanity's feet. There's really no other way of dealing with the issue of Curses long-term, and the vast majority of humans were already going to die anyways, either it be to old age, sickness, or each other. Better to leave a better world for those who come after them than trying to uselessly claw unto life for themselves...
So if geto had survived and found mahito could he have just given every human basically a curse energy vaccine to warp their souls just to contain their leakage of energy thus severely weakening or even making cursed spirits not exist? Obv that's not physically feasible but it would be an option correct???
That’s actually pretty feasible tho. If he gains Mahito and joined up with Yuki the story low key might have been over. (Assuming Tengen complies with them both even after being threatened).
Basically what I'm understanding is that Geto views the bliss and freedom afforded to the physically weak by their own ignorance and immense numbers. The weak as the majority, hold control over society, and thus wield a particular type of power over the physically strong. He sees that type of power as the greater form, and as such he thinks that the societally weak (sorcerers) need protection from the strong (non-sorcerers). I understand that about right?
You either die a hero. Or live long enough to become a villain. Eren lived a hero long enough to see the reality of life and became an anti hero Geto lived a pure hero long enough to see how the people he's protecting do to his own kind It's rather ironic. It's the truly good who end up falling the hardest. It takes what's truly pure to make what's truly dark
Regarding teaching humans how to gain heavily restrictions and claiming they'd adapt and "fear less" of cursed spirits, I digress, the majority would fear fearing, therefore probably creating the most powerful cursed spirit even more powerful than Sukuna
Gege legit bites every memory I have as an adolescent between fight club references and the multiple others but now he's just doing yuyu Hakushos final season not complaining though he's doing so well LoL
I disagree a little about the overgeneralized similarity between Eren and Geto, Eren literally just wants his friends to live long happy lives, he couldn't give two sh*ts about the race of eldians. But I agree with you on Getos stance overall Basically its Eren's preference for his friends to survive against Getos generalized moral code that he must choose one group to go.
Geto just wants to get rid of curses. Easiest way to do it is to get rid of non sorcerer's because they cause them Edit: also you forgot a key catalyst to him wanting to get rid of curses spirits in the first place was because of his own cursed technique
@@Mavuika_Gyaru yeah it definitely was. It's what developed his utter disgust for cursed spirits initially and was the first mental primer to have his mindset ready to come up with the genocide route
It’s definitely implied that it was a factor. The first time he calls non-sorcerers monkeys is after his inner-dialogue about how disgusting his curse technique is. They even chose it as the opening scene for the anime, so I believe it is very important.
Hey wouldn't that create a loop of fear because they're going to fear the idea of fear itself? I mean the people would be afraid of fear because that fear creates an dangerous being, leaving them still in fear.
Wait I was under the impression that a Heavenly restriction was something you that your just born with, and that you can’t choose to have one. I think you might be confusing heavenly restriction with a binding vow
I am so glad I have finally found a logical thinker on social media. Most people create opinions based on personal circumstances and call them facts, then try to spread their "facts" and force them on other people, just as they do with ideologies, as you explained. Your analysis is on point! Geto's my favourite character and you really did him justice; not just by highlighting his reasons, and why he believed he was right, but also by adding, at the end, that his method was wrong, while keeping the entire situation as beautifully complex as it is. I mean, it is always better to simplify things for people to understand, but we mustn't simplify more than we can, that is, we can't change facts just for stupid people to be able to knock them into their skulls.
I think an important distinction between the motivations of Eren and Geto is the simple fact that if all the Eldians were exterminated- then the Titans would just stop existing. However, if all Jujutsu Sorcerers were exterminated- Cursed Energy would still exist, and Cursed Spirits would run rampant completely unchecked
I had an interesting idea that I think you could do a good job at you to covering, how would you convert Naruto characters (specifically the Konoha 13 and the Akatsuki along with others if you’d like) into jujutsu scorchers/curse users. How would you convert their abilities and their main kit into cursed techniques or other such abilities within the confines of the JJK universe.
The the best part about characters like Geto. Objectively he isn’t wrong, morally he also isn’t wrong, if he wants to get rid of Curse’s the fastest way to go about it is to erase the masses of monkeys. There isn’t a doubt in my mind that if Gojo was with Geto when he saved those 2 girls from the villagers he’d be the first one to start the slaughter. He was ready to erase the room of people celebrating the death of Amanai. Imagine if he saw them abusing the other 2.
While I don't fully agree with Geto, I see how he got to where he is and it makes me sympathetic in some ways. Was literally forced to swallow shit environment for people who didn't care about him, and Toji really fuked his view of the world.
Yeah, if I were Eren Jaegar, and it was the case that everyone I knew would be wiped out. Unless I wiped out the people trying to wipe us out. My wife, daughter, family and friends would come first. I would look for other ways of resolving the issue first. But, if just as in AOT. There really weren’t other ways. Then, sorry not sorry.
I think some points in this video aren’t accurate. It’s simple, Geto was a person who believed the strong should help the “weak” which are non sorcerers. After fighting Toji and witnessing the hatred and disguising nature of some humans towards them even though it kills him and his friends everyday to save them, it made him rethink things. And after learning that humans actually make curses in the first place he decides they are the problem so he aims to solve it at the root. Simple
also immagine creating even 3 or 4 humans equal to toji, that would already tip the scale since any cursed spirit below special grade + gets crushed and destroyed by people of that strenght, if you made 100 not only less cursed energy is produced but way way way more people capable of killing cursed spirits appear and also get the sumo guy to train them all and another key factor is that if JJS are public, they can get more information on the curses they are fighting thanks to a broader information gathering network which would reduce casualties even more, both by virtue of faster responses and no more first year students getting sent to fight special grade spirits
Wouldn't Geto's plan a) create a bunch of new sorcerers who hate his guts (and possibly all of sorcerers) for killing their family and b) involve killing all non sorcerers that were born? (How many parents would be ok with that?) That seems like a great way to start a civil war and a bunch of assassination attempts, wouldn't it?
For a he wouldn't care For b no because the entire idea was to make everyone a sorcerer, you dont get born a non sorcerer when both of your parents are sorcerers
So Geto literally tasted normal people negative feelings and he got sick of it in both ways (in real life and when he absorbs it) anyone will get severe depression from that absorbing negative energy for his entire life and the rest of it , he just saw that it didn't worth it for a bunch of scumbags celebrating the death of innocent girl.
Sukuna is an incarnated sorcerer who uses fingers to incarnate himself. Kenjaku is also an incarnated sorcerer who uses his brain as a cursed object to do so. Saying he is a curse is incorrect and likely comes from characters like Yuji and Gojo who did not know what Sukuna actually was when they labeled him a curse.
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Geto was strong enough to protect jujutsu socersor he should have tried to create a community that would watch each others back. For me gojo has the right idea to foster a strong generation of socersor that won't go around committing genocide and also protect their friends
Gojo's ideology is sort of a selfish ideology. He's Soo op that he lacks equality. He doesn't want to be alone. Gojo still can't totally tolerate the weak. But nobody still has the right to take the youth from them.
You keep speaking of heavenly restriction like it’s a choice. You don’t “undergo” it you are born how you are which you mentioned once but we’re still inconsistent. It’s not like your family chooses your CE levels. Makis situation was one of one.
I mean erens people were hated for the sins of their ancestors treated like slaves at the beginning so to me it seems eren was doing the right thing because if the world isn’t going to listen then he had no other choice but to make them listen. Think about it without erens actions the world probably would’ve remain same.
Come on man 😅, humans have never been able to find a global harmony only based in morals or ethics. You can tell me it’s sad the our people have this pride in individualism and no respect at all for the fact that we are the same in so many aspects. It’s been like that for the previous 11 000 years of human history and it’s going to be like that until the end of us. Only love, hate or fear can make a human being dedicate his life entirely to something and it is emotionally, spiritually and physically impossible for us ALL to love, hate or fear the same. It is mainly because we are different that the hate started and there’s gonna be hate until we are all the same. For that we would have to give away our own interests, dreams and plans and I don’t think me or you or anyone it’s ever going to be ready for that. I respect a lot your opinion and I truly believe that we can be better as a race, but the truth does not respect what we believe ( I love your videos btw, always such an amazing food for thought). We’ve been finding more ways to divide ourselves on a dally basis for over 10 000 years. Wars, religion, politics, classes, rases, sexuality, even nationality. It never stops because it’s in our nature to care for US first and then the rest. I hope nobody ever (EVER) gains the individual power to unify the human rase like we see in JJK or AOT. If it happens the only way to do it based in truth we’ll be to eliminate all the other variables 😢. Sorry for the long comment and dark morals, it’s just objective man truly. Peace man ✌🏻
I don’t think you can learn a heavenly restriction? It’s a restriction placed on them by jujutsu itself. Maki didnt “give up” her CE, Mai took all their CE (because they’re twins) and took it with her, leaving Maki with absolutely 0 CE.
I get that genocide is genocide, but the reason why i stan eren and magneto is simple, these people were going to be genocided themselves, what did you want them to do sit back and die, in the X-Men case many could say magneto could help the X-Men acheive whatever it was they were trying to achieve but we also get countless scenarios were humanity set sentinels on the mutants just because they existed. Genocide is genocide but between inflicting genocide on others and being the victim of genocide, well i know what I'm picking
If Geto was right then Gojo would not have changed his ideology in JJK 0. Gojo went from thinking lower of non-sorcerers to needing to protect them after Toji clapped both of them and Geto went full 180 from feeling everyone can reside in peace to now full blown hating non-sorcerers because theyre weak. Then again Geto and Gojo are just mirrored images of their past selves
You didn't watch the video did you, because Nick literally explains that Geto does this because he views them as a threat because they have all the power.
I think a third option will appear with yuji as he can imprint on to others. If he used that ability with tengen and maki to imprint heavenly restriction to everyone the problem would be solved but the biggest obstacle is sukuna who is prolly gonna die and is killed by gojo, and kenjaku (don’t have any conclusions on him yet. The only problem now is that yuji doesn’t realize his ability or know how to correctly use it, it just happens. (This is only if gege proves it to be true)
Saying you disagree with Eren is essentially saying "I agree that Eldians should be oppressed and subjugated purely based on a circumstance of their birth they have no control over" Because that's what a world without the rumbling entails,saying "hurr durr muh genocide" doesn't work either because the rumbling is not targeting a specific group of people,it's targeting every single human being on earth beyond the shores of Paradis,the genocide arguement does work with Getou since he is targeting a specific group,non-sorcerers,so why do you disagree with the mass murder one series and denounce it as genocide while agreeing with the actual genocide being tauted in the other?
What erens doing is even worse lol.Furthermore he doesn't even accomplish his goal since the remaining 20% of the world has wiped out paradise by the end anyway.
@@amogus1415I like the message "it's a vicious cycle but I wish the protagonists weren't persecuted so it could hit home, now it just looks like victim blaming
@@amogus14151. yes, you're telling me people think it's wrong to defend yourself???? 2. Worse thing about Eren is he acted first. 3. Yes history repeats itself but honestly do people expect the racists to listen to the target of their hate? 4. What would you do in Eren's situation especially when you saw world leaders agreeing with your genocide? 5. You do understand propaganda is a thing and america invaded the middle east for the twin towers
My favorite protagonist and antagonist ideology is between kenshin and shishio. Shishio is real bad and not one of these fallen heroes. And his ideology is somehow logical and based on the laws of the nature. While kenshins ideology is based an emotions and ethic. That what defines us as humans and differentiates us from animals
I really want an alt univ storyline of Geto and the Star Vessel girl (Riku?) running off into the sunset and being left alone to live in peace. I knew this was never going to happen, but my heart still wanted it when he extended his hand to her.
Please turn up your vocals more when you edit your videos. I noticed your videos are always quieter Then other youtube creators. I'll try to clean out my earwax but please notch it up a little bit
“Sometimes you just don’t agree with the ideologies of the hero and instead identify with the villain’s ideology.” So what about Hit- Edit: this is a joke
Both Eren and Geto have utilitarian philosophies that choose to protect the many by sacrificing the few, which I gather can come off as confusing when we're talking about two people who want to kill off the majority of the human population in favor of a small group of the human population, but you have to realize what population groups they're actually measuring. Eren's is actually a bit more obvious because he's weighing the Eldian lives within the Walls to the Eldian lives outside of the Walls, and he reasons that, if in order to protect the majority of Eldians who are in the Walls from the dangers of the non-Eldians outside of the Walls, he must kill all of the Eldians outside of the Walls too, then that is a reasonable sacrifice to make. Geto's is a bit less obvious because he's sort of weighing two different camps, and in Camp A you have Jujutsu Sorcerers, and in Camp B you have no Jujutsu Sorcerers (and a couple billion non-Sorcerers), and so he understandably comes to the conclusion that Camp A with the majority Sorcerers should survive. One could argue however that Sorcerers who stand against him wind up in Camp B, hence the Night Parade of a Hundred Demons.
I imagine Eren, Geto, and magneto all sitting down to dinner would have a great conversation and a few laughs.
Whos gonna try to kill who first tho 🤣🤣🤣
@@Ronin-of-Ashina why fight? They all have the same ideology?
you forgot madara uchiha
Don’t forget Griffith
@@patrickmaalouf5776madara doesnt want to kill people, he wants to end their suffering.
The tragedy is, Geto knows he's in the wrong on some level. It's why he has to "keep telling himself he hates monkeys". But in a helpless and awful situation, he chooses the path that gives him self-affirmation and a sense of purpose/conviction, that there's a "meaning" to his killing. It's also why he tells Gojo that if he tried to kill Geto, that there would be meaning to that too, he understands why Gojo would kill him as part of Gojo's conviction. JJK is all about what you choose to live for, and die for.
I LIKE THIS
i always imagined that the story between gojo and geto was a metaphor for depression and suicide. the depression is quite obvious, geto starts having these malevolent thoughts, clearly showing signs of distress (gojo asking geto if he's been losing weight). geto's last words to gojo were something along the lines of "in a world like this, i couldn't find a way to be happy from the bottom of my heart." i believe that geto knew deep down that his beliefs were wrong, and his goals were impossible. he knew that if he followed his envisioned path, it would surely lead to his death. even still, geto chose this death over having to live in a world where he can no longer find meaning. the story between gojo and geto is one of love, and tragedy; the tragedy of not being able to save a friend.
in a way both geto and gojo were enlightened after toji
As someone who is obsessed with Geto's complexity as a character, I really love the logic in this comment
@@wyvern7456 absolutely great take but i think it's not just depression but madness in general, especially insanity that stems from severe trauma and a dysfunctional society. geto truly lost it, he knew he could never function in the confines of jujitsu society, and sought out the only way that managed to give him some meaning and some hope for a better future, otherwise, he was hopeless.
A lot of people forget geto saw rika get shot in the head. I bet that image plays in his mind over and over, her wanting to live free then boom on the floor with blood everywhere. That fucked him up
That keeps playing in my head, especially when she described basically prison life or being on the run as her childhood and she'll never get her freedom 😭😭😭😭
Geto saw RIKO get shot. Not Rika. Riko is the Star Plasma Vessel, Rika is Rika Orimoto, that one cursed spirit that protected Yuta
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@@kazama195to be fair Toji would probably pull a gun on Rika if he saw her and had to kill her for moni
it was also because the disgusting nature of his technique that he has to eat cursed spirits which he has to do over and over to protect people that don't know what he does for them. For his whole life as a sorcerer, the cause didn't justify his means. He needed a bigger picture to keep doing what he has to do and taste every flavor of curses humans bring upon themselves. He learned to hate the chef, which cooked all the spirits that he keeps consuming.
Talk about biting the hand that feeds you XD
Such a great point lm reminded of how
Anime spoiler
At the end of ep 4 is it.After Gojo kills Toji we see Geto walking and then that curse storage of Toji's inches towards him saying "mommy can l get a hug" (or something along those lines) ... he's grieving and just almost died and even after that all there was for him was curses
Geto’s ideology shift reminds me of 2 people:
Yu Yu Hakusho’s Sensui - a spirit detective protecting humans from demons THEN seeing the cruelty of humans with demons
X-men Magneto - living among humans THEN seeing humanity's fear & therefore cruelty against mutants
Seeing how Gege is a huge fan of Togashi's work, I think it's safe to say that Sensui was a major inspiration for Geto. Both great characters and I'm glad I'm not the only one that saw a bit of Magneto in Geto as well
@stars_end.830 I didn't know that he's a fan, thanks for sharing! I agree how characters like Geto, Sensui, Magneto are so compelling. They want justice but they cannot tolerate a one-sided justice that is usually forced/imposed by humans.
Magneto, you forget, is a Jewish man that survive the Holocaust. He identified discrimination that mutants were facing because he, himself faced it before and knew what would happen if no one put a stop to it.
@trinityblue8162 I'm only familiar with Magneto through the movies and I actually love his character because despite being shown as a "villain," I can't seem to hate him. He's actually my favorite character in x-men
Sensui being the inspo for Geto is confirmed, it's canon
another side we have to understand here is when all this happened geto was just a teenager. a literal kid. he obviously suffered from major depression and mania but never received the support he needed. he also seem to affected by separation anxiety. he never got the guidance or any help from a responsible adult to stop him falling into a deep into the darkness. there was no "gojo sensei" like the main trio does that can speak up or look after the youth back then. gojo knows this, first hand experience. gojo was a kid himself probably understood it too late. that one sentence from the OP which is gojo's pv on geto says "the asphalt ground was echoing the chorus of cicadas, it prevented me from hearing your silence" I think gojo was thinking everything is fine as long as they were together and that happiness of geto being there, even if he was busy with missions probably not seeing him as much overshadowed geto's drifting self to gojo. Yaga on the other hand definitely guilty and failed as a teacher cause after geto defected (too late old man) having those interviews asking the purpose of being a jujutsu sorcerer from new students became a thing for him. And gojo became a teacher to "protect the youth" "change the system". whenever yuji swallows sukuna's fingers it always remind me how geto had to absorb all those horrible tasting curses at the same age probably since even younger age. geto's fate was doomed from the very beginning.
Sounds like Geto is a 🐈 and a ❄
Thank you. I feel like many people are forgetting about this.
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I like this, this is why Gojo behaves goofy and carefree for his students to enjoy their time and youth. He knows they could die at any time, he knows theyre too young to die. They should be able to enjoy baseball shopping eating out and having fun at an arcade. Even though he fails as a "teacher" hes not strict on them to act like sorcerers. If he reprimanded them constantly reminded them that they are sorcerers and can die any time thats very depressing, they are aware of it dont need to be reminded.
It also doesn’t help that kenjaku already had its sights set on getou when he was still a student. This means that even if, in some alternate universe, getou managed to retain his sanity and become a teacher, he would have probably still become a villain sooner or later by kenjaku.
The motivation behind Geto's action isn't necessarily the defending of the "weak". But by the nature of Geto's personality, he empathizes with the weak and seeks out their well-being, which become his tragic downfall.
In creative writing, the use of power systems within a fictional universe is not just for entertainment purposes. The abilities that are given to a particular character are writing techniques utilized to draw out a character's personality traits. For example, Toph in Avatar the Last Airbender has the ability to control earth/rocks. Rocks are hard and heavy, Toph's character is stubborn and hard-headed; her powers reflect her character traits.
Geto is a very caring and empathetic person. This is demonstrated in his curse technique "Curse Manipulation". In the first episode of season 2 Geto says that no one else knows what curse spirits taste like (swallowing a rag used to clean up sh*t and vomit). In order for Geto to become stronger and more useful in protecting people, he must consume the negative energy manifested as cursed spirits in order to exorcise more cursed spirits; it is a never-ending cycle of consuming curses for a "blessed/good" goal. This burden Geto has taken upon his own shoulders for the good of non-sorcerers.
At the end of the Hidden inventory arc it is not a change of conviction that Geto has, but a realization of circumstance. He saw the the flaws of Jujuitsu society, all its politics, selfishness and ugliness. All the negativity of non-sorcerers towards one another and towards sorcerers manifesting itself in-yes, cursed spirits but also the murder of a young, weak, innocent girl wanting to live out her youth. Geto saw cycle he was trapped within, one he chose to serve, he saw his comrades give their lives for such a trivial cycle. Geto came to the conclusion that the only way for him to "fix" the problem was break free from it and to destroy the entire system.
Because if he couldn't destroy it- the system would destroy them.
true. his empathy didn't change until the end. at first, he saw non-sorcerers as victims and wanted to protect them but soon realized that sorcerers are the biggest victims that are bound to suffer for the sake of others
@@valeriyav2149 Interestingly, to go along with your point Geto was happy that Yuta's classmates were trying to defend them against him and he also happy that Yuta was willing to fight him for his own ideals. The only JJK student he didn't like was Maki but I think thats moreso cause his trauma with Toji (Maki is pretty much another Toji) then actually hating her like he hates non-sorcerers.
I think Geto was happy with those circumstances as he kind of realized that another kid like him slipping through the cracks wouldn't happen again. Yuta had the potenial of being another Geto if he had no support system and saw the worst of humanity and talked to the wrong people. He very easily could of gone that way. Geto saw that that wasn't the case for him and was actually happy for that even with all the bloodshed in the process. I am also sure he still trusts Gojo to know Gojo was doing a good job with helping him.
Basically I think Geto was happy because the new generation wasn't repeating the cycle his was in. They were supporting eachother and willing to fight together for each other. To be stronger as a whole than alone.
@@WeaverOfStars I agree. he understood what Gojo has been doing to fix the system. even if it doesn't solve the root of the problem, it makes the life of sorcerers better. this generation has adults around them who actually care and protect them with Gojo in the lead. something Geto and others didn't have. obviously, he didn't even try to kill any of the sorcerers, which is exactly what Gojo trusted him to do, but he didn't even finish Maki off despite his supposed hatred. it reminded me of Gege saying Geto had to remind himself every day that he hated non-sorcerers to keep going
Nick’s suggestion for Geto to just tell everyone about curse spirits would just turn it into the world of Chainsaw Man, or Devilman, and that goes so well for everyone involved… so dumb
well it’s not like either csm or jjk universe are nice places to live in
Sort of is my answer there. Because yes you run the risk of people's fear creating even stronger horrors, but likewise if any of these places heavily invested in mental health...that would be the answer. Having people understand the power of their fears and thus being able to both manage them and control them...well that would make for way less curses and way weaker curses. Sorcerers might as well be exterminators at that point. You call a sorcerer if you think something funny is going on. But the issue here specifically is that it would take a massive societal overhaul and that is hard and doing nothing is easy.
I just can believe someone I usually trust said something so dumb in this video, his idea is dumb and hard that is not even considered in the manga, making the jujutsu world free is the same as genocide, million of new curse spirit in 1 second and crazy quantity of bad ppl becoming sorceress too
I like your idea presented in the latter half of the video. There’s just one thing I’m worried about, one potential issue that could arise: if people begin to learn about cursed spirits and some people fear them enough to start learning jujutsu, but not all, then there’s a chance that a cursed spirit representing that fear of cursed spirits could manifest. That could be REALLY bad, who knows what kind of things it could do? Could it control other cursed spirits? Could it steal the techniques of other cursed spirits? Could it mess with someone else’s cursed energy? This could be something trivial, or more dangerous than Sukuna.
I disagree with his idea. Just telling the people about cursed spirits is just going to make things worse. If someone tells you not to think of a certain thing, then what’s the first thing you’re going to think of? What’s that quote from Men In Black? I forget the exact wording, but humans are stupid, panicky creatures that will stampede for nearly any reason. Honestly, the only way to deal with the source of curses without killing everyone is likely to be mass mind control to keep everyone docile without feeling fear or hatred. Which is impossible, and even if it was possible, it’d be just as horrible an idea as genocide.
@coltonwilliams4153 Correct. I mean for Fuck’s Sake think about. Cursed-Spirits are born from humanities negative emotions, what would happen if regular people found out that there existed invisible monsters that were the product of their own fears and hates and could easily kill them and those around them?
LOL 😂 It would be absolute 𝑪𝑯𝑨𝑶𝑺
Geto gets depressed and borderline suicidal and his thoughts reflect that.
He sees the normal humans as a hindrance, because of trauma, when non sorcerers have no way they could know, Jujutsu is secret
Lmao that thumbnail 😂
our hero did he finally managed to publish it
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It took 2 times but now
I beg to differ on the CIA. There’s a reason why special operators call them the “Clowns In Action” they do a lot of nasty things in the world and don’t have very much to show for it.
Nick, I think you're overlooking the fact that fears aren't rational and can't be rationalized away just because you know that the fear itself causes more harm than good.
Hence, making the world aware of cursed spirits is actually going to increase their fear of it. By a lot.
You know, you've written a good villain. When people can sympathize with his struggle and identify with his beliefs. I spent most of the episodes sympathizing with him. Because he had such strong moral character, and he had to go through so much. Ingesting the curses which were described as disgusting only for the people. He was trying to protect to mock him when Riko died. Afterwards, hes suffering from PTSD And because he is separated from his best friend Due to circumstance, nobody notices his downward decline. He gets a little glimmer of hope with hibara, but he gets killed the same episode, and then he sees the two girls and finally snaps. He's a much more compelling villain than let's say naraku who was more "waaa the girl didn't like me im going to be a menace".😂
Geto is correct.
So is Gojo.
So is Yuki.
So is Itadori.
So is Megumi.
So is Sukuna.
SPOILERS AHEAD
Yes. Even Sukuna is correct in his ideology. They're all correct because they all have the exact same ideology. I went back and read what Sukuna was saying to Itadori, and I thought about it. All of them have the same ideology, but it's at different stages attached to different personalities, and so it yields drastically different results from each of them.
Sukuna's ideology can be summarized simply as, "The Strong should rule, the weak don't deserve to be happy."
And while that may sound horrible on it's face, it is true. How? Look at Itadori. Sukuna asked him why was he weak. The weak exist at the whims of the strong. Everyone in Shibuya was weaker than Sukuna, so when Sukuna said "Don't run from the meteor or I off you" they had no choice but to obey. Itadori, as strong as he was, he was extremely weak in comparison to others. He had to become stronger to stand against Mahito.
Let's look at Gojo. Gojo is strong but he wants others to be strong too. He doesn't want them to be weak because he knows only the strong get to live and only the strong can be saved. As he says, it's not enough that he alone be strong.
Let's look at Geto. He wants to get rid of non-sorcerers, and he's willing to go through with it because he's strong enough to even make the attempt, even though he isn't the strongest.
Strength & Weakness are the core ideological through line in the series. Should the Strong protect the Weak or do as they please? What does it mean to be strong? What does it mean to be weak?
But what's not negotiable is that you have to be Strong to even get to ask those question.
I choose who to save and do so unequally (Megumi and Geto). But to make that choice, to save the people I want to save, I must be strong (Itadori). However it's not enough that I be strong, others must be strong as well (Gojo and Sukuna).
The same ideology, just different stages applied in different forms by different people.
Damn, never thought about it that way. Might have to screenshot this comment for future reference man.
I think u summed it up beautifully 💜
such an eye opener fr
YOAIMO!
Sorry but I think this take is wrong…
To start imo the main point of the show is about death and life not strength and weakness, but that’s very debatable
Then, to relate Geto’s fascist ideals to Itadori’s and Gojo’s philosophy is just weird…
An ideology is a system of ideas and ideals. That being said, the only thing all of those characters ideology have in common is the value of strengh, that’s not enough similarity to say they are the same.
Gojo have always been the strongest and treated as so, so inherently strenght is important to him. The shift is when he realises he can’t save everyone, so he wants people to be strong to not rely on him so much, this way they have more chance to survive.
Itadori wants to help people and save those he could, bc thats his purpose in life and bc he doesn’t want to die alone. To do that he needs to be strong.
Sukuna is a hedonist, he lives for his pleasures, and to do that he needs to be strong to escape the consequences. He also takes pleasure in fighting and becoming stronger
Geto think of Jujutsu sorceres as perfected humans, and want the “weak” all to die, bc he has no respect for them.
I think your last paragraph that sumarizes a single ideology with all their points combined pretty good and makes sense. Except i dont think Sukuna wanting other’s to be strong makes much sense there, and the “unequaly” part of Megumi and Geto are not comparable, Megumi chooses to save assortatively bc he knows he can’t save all, Geto chooses to save ONLY the strong by actively attacking the weak…
me and my friends use your thumbnail as a reaction image. you've made it
No because if you have read the manga you basically know that the JJK world and the nature of curses was manipulated for centuries in various ways to create this outcome and that was done without the influence of humans but people like Kenjaku, Tengen And Sukuna. Geto basically saw a symptom and was emotionally hurt into accepting said extreme there were other options he just could not forgive the concept of humanity after the pain normal humans gave him. Yuki, Kenjaku, Tengen both think its possible to make everyone into curse users But given everything we know Geto lacked so much info (also he was influenced by the negative energy of the curses he absorbed and slowly was influenced by that as well)
In practise/theory its sound but it practically requires you to ignore so much you have to be emotionally driven to accept said outcome. it's alot different than say magneto or Eren where there cause not a by product of the world but a product of peoples direct interaction with them
If you are willing to blame the world for your death then you should also blame the world for your birth too
I think the part where they should inform non-sorcerers may bring more harm than good, in a sense that jujutsu knowledge at a global scale could create things like:
1. Government-sanctioned jujutsu sorcery as weaponry (imagine cursed energy harnessed as nuclear-level weapons)
2. As a result of (1), some governments might resort to massive "emotional manipulation" of their own people just to harvest more cursed energy
3. Legislations that could result in discrimination against jujutsu sorcerers, (like that in X-Men)
For me, these 3 reasons far outweigh the good, which is people having the awareness and thus control over their fears and emotions.
(knowing the current state of our world, if Jujutsu sorcery really exists, it is best to keep it to themselves lmao)
Not to mention the fact that the fear and panic of discovering that fear and hatred can create invisible beings that will torment and/or murder countless people will almost definitely cause more curses to be born. Anyone who says otherwise has way too much faith in humanity.
I feel like Geto more closely aligns with Sensui from Yuyu Hakusho; both characters fought for what they thought was right when faced with what they believe to be the naturally evil “villains” in curse spirits, but then places his ideals under a finer lens and ultimately flips when discovering evil exists on all sides and sometime the easiest answer is kill the worst one (which is of course subjective to the person feeling this way)
I love this take. Sensui was a great character and I don't know if Gege is influenced by Togashi in any way but I always felt like much of JJK and Gege's writing style reminds me of Togashi. I never compared Geto to Sensui though but you're right.
I think the eren comparison does not work here, because in erens case he wanted to stop the cycle of wars, which in the end he did only temporary, but Geto killing all non sorcerers will erease all curse spirits for good and create a society on even grounds.
That isn't guaranteed. We are already shown there are aberrations like heavenly restrictions, there is nothing to say that sorcerer's having non-sorcerer kids isn't likely or even guaranteed. What is Geto going to keep killing every non-sorcerer that is born? Because that is what he would have to do in order to enact his plan.
Remember that Geto's parents were non-sorcerers.
What about children born ? They're not sorcerers. And then there are cases like Maki
@@Tyrantofthewindthat's what this idea of selective pressure and forced evolution is about: following the massacre of non-sorcerers, more and more sorcerers will be born or become sorcerers in result of being put in life-or-death situations
Isn't it also stated that dead sorcerers could become cursed spirits too?
@@tienluong9648 only if you kill them without using cursed energy and (that's not confirmed but seems likely to me) if they are overwhelmed by a negative emotion during this moment
Love the video. Only issue in my opinion was in 23:20. Again, in my opinion IF you try to implement this idea it COULD have the opposite effect as well. Creating even more fear. For tsunamis by your example, knowing that by YOUR specific fear YOU may influence and hurt more people. It COULD create massive fear, people feeling guilt etc, which only makes the problem worse. This tactic, yes, it could make things better or it could make them worse.
Keep up the great videos!
Also jujutsu requires you too control your emotions. So sending the population into constant fear might have the opposite effect.
Sorcery is more of a genetic trait anyways with people sorcerers coming from humans being a rare occurrence.
1:35 Nagato ended up being correct though. The "peace" that was achieved during Naruto's reign as Hokage was due to the fact that the other nations are too scared to cause trouble because of how ridiculously powerful Naruto and Sasuke had become. Just like Nagato's idea to have this super powerful Bijuu weapon, which technically Hokage Naruto right now, to force every nation to stay in line. Hence why the main antagonist in Boruto had to come from outer space with crazy ninjutsu negating abilities.
it’s a good day when my favorite youtuber drops a video
A jjk world where people are made aware if cursed spirits and the like would probably just be chainsaw man’s world. Sure there’s more sorcerers and people are aware that fear causes more problems, fear still exists because as they say in csm, any sane person *should* fear these terrifying monsters. On a side note, eren and geto’s ideologies can be summed up by that scene when eren points to the ocean and goes “if we kill everyone on the other side of this…will we finally be free?”
Geto knew he was all wrong with his works, but he kept pushing himself to stand in the dark and states "hate monkeys ". These are mentioned by Gege.
Thats why that scene in JJK0 where Geto says his last words and says he’ll always hate those monkeys. If you notice he clutches his shoulder and always thought it wasn’t because he was in pain but because he never believed that he hated them either.
ngl...if I was in Geto's position? I probably would have chosen the same path. they were just kids.
The thing those who wish to walk the path of “helping the weak” is that those people focus on helping people, but not teaching people how to be kind.
This dude looking like if Harry Potter was a Jujutsu Sorcerer.
I think there should've been stress put on the fact that if all non-sorcerers were wiped out curse spirits would no longer be created. I'm not saying Geto's ideology is correct, genocide is wrong. But I do think that it is important to bring up that part of his goal in getting rid of all non-sorcerers was to rid the world of cursed spirits thus eliminating the death and destruction caused by cursed spirits.
If the world knew that curses existed you would just get ChainSaw Man, a world where these creatures would be the #1 source of death in the world. In JJK curse spirits aren't that prevalent of a threat in the world.
Keep the good work up nick I love these videos
Honestly, if humans fix their societal issues and took care of peoples mental health, and didn’t leave people behind, most of this cursed spirit business wouldn’t even be an issue because no one would be afraid or have negative feelings all the time. Like if people have everything they need and have to opportunities they need to survive and thrive. Like what would there be to be upset about? Also, yes, knowledge is power, and everyone knew about spirits and curses they could all fight against them and eliminate them. The more people that can use the special technique, the better.
Geto’s ideology is the same with sensui when he saw the ugliness of the humans. When you put it logically, you will just justify and agree with them. Having power or more dominant to others has a tendency of self righteousness and thinking that you ways is the best way and generalize everything.
When we talk about this subject.
Do we consider how fragile human beings are ? How much our world can flip when we see through what is in the rabit hole?
Is it not like you announce to the world, & The people would listen. It is more like a Damage to society, Chaos etc.
If conveying your message, Agreeing and have a mutual understanding was so easy. Human society would never have hatred or War to begin with.
So saying Eren, Geto etc "Oh Did they Try to this or that, Or atleast teach them would've changed the outcome" Is completely wrong.
Wrong for 1 reason :- They took the consideration of what it is which I mentioned above and adding to their own experience and what they saw is accumulation of everything which resulted in what they finally come up with.
There isn't such thing as Right and Wrong when you discuss about such topics to be honest.
I love it! Haven’t even watched have of these anime’s. But you lead me into watching them. I love that I have super in depth spoiler alerts, but I think of it as a perfect amount of information to have to get you much deeper into the story as you watch/read it
Suguru Geto sought transcendence, as Gojo had. As all people do, to alleviate their suffering. Basically, due to his feelings of insecurity, alienation, and loss of purpose, he sought to transcend his human condition. There are two means by which people achieve transcendence: Creation, and Destruction... Destruction is easy, exhilarating, but ultimately ruins whatever chance you may have had of reaching true transcendence. It's why we see the shift in his cognition so quickly after he gives into his impulse for destructiveness and commits his first spree of murders, where he develops a god complex - He had achieved negative transcendence and finally felt as though he had the power; a purpose to live for
I get why Geto is thinking like that but he’s really just doing what he fear’s none sorcerer’s would do to sorcerer’s. Also I would bet everything that if some random overpowered being showed up to him and goes all sorcerers must die cause some are jerks he’ll be mad as hell.
Damn you're right. Ultimately Geto is a hypocrite and he can't even see it
Neither Kenjaku or Sukuna is a cursed spirit, they are both incarnated sorcerers with Kenjaku using his brain as the curse object to transfer bodies.
Sukuna was a cursed spirit after he died
@@colejames3654 No he wasn't, that was assumed because no one had ever done what he did (besides Kenjaku).
@@Tyrantofthewind we've seen cursed spirit sukuna
@@Tyrantofthewind nvm apologies i just did some research he id not a cursed spirit but he is a cursed object so at least i wasn't too far off
I halfway expect Tengen's long-term plan to be the same as Geto's, just with the added caveat that he's allowing the population of humans rise high enough that there will be enough Sorcerers to continue the species and he pulls the rug out from beneath Humanity's feet. There's really no other way of dealing with the issue of Curses long-term, and the vast majority of humans were already going to die anyways, either it be to old age, sickness, or each other. Better to leave a better world for those who come after them than trying to uselessly claw unto life for themselves...
So if geto had survived and found mahito could he have just given every human basically a curse energy vaccine to warp their souls just to contain their leakage of energy thus severely weakening or even making cursed spirits not exist? Obv that's not physically feasible but it would be an option correct???
That’s actually pretty feasible tho. If he gains Mahito and joined up with Yuki the story low key might have been over.
(Assuming Tengen complies with them both even after being threatened).
@@ExplosiveGrape I don't think he'd have enough cursed energy to change the entire human population.
I love this guys channels. Feels nice to have a place to come with my weeb questions and have logical ideas and theories (normally) be talked about.
Basically what I'm understanding is that Geto views the bliss and freedom afforded to the physically weak by their own ignorance and immense numbers. The weak as the majority, hold control over society, and thus wield a particular type of power over the physically strong. He sees that type of power as the greater form, and as such he thinks that the societally weak (sorcerers) need protection from the strong (non-sorcerers). I understand that about right?
You either die a hero. Or live long enough to become a villain.
Eren lived a hero long enough to see the reality of life and became an anti hero
Geto lived a pure hero long enough to see how the people he's protecting do to his own kind
It's rather ironic. It's the truly good who end up falling the hardest. It takes what's truly pure to make what's truly dark
Regarding teaching humans how to gain heavily restrictions and claiming they'd adapt and "fear less" of cursed spirits, I digress, the majority would fear fearing, therefore probably creating the most powerful cursed spirit even more powerful than Sukuna
u r born with heavenly restriction u don't learn it there's a reason only 3 ppl in the whole series had it
Gege legit bites every memory I have as an adolescent between fight club references and the multiple others but now he's just doing yuyu Hakushos final season not complaining though he's doing so well LoL
I disagree a little about the overgeneralized similarity between Eren and Geto, Eren literally just wants his friends to live long happy lives, he couldn't give two sh*ts about the race of eldians. But I agree with you on Getos stance overall
Basically its Eren's preference for his friends to survive against Getos generalized moral code that he must choose one group to go.
Geto just wants to get rid of curses. Easiest way to do it is to get rid of non sorcerer's because they cause them
Edit: also you forgot a key catalyst to him wanting to get rid of curses spirits in the first place was because of his own cursed technique
Nah that wasn't really a factor
@@Mavuika_Gyaru yeah it definitely was. It's what developed his utter disgust for cursed spirits initially and was the first mental primer to have his mindset ready to come up with the genocide route
It’s definitely implied that it was a factor. The first time he calls non-sorcerers monkeys is after his inner-dialogue about how disgusting his curse technique is. They even chose it as the opening scene for the anime, so I believe it is very important.
@@Mavuika_Gyaru as a Kafka simp I thought you were smart, my bad. Anyway IT IS a HUGE factor, go re read the manga
@@ALMyoutube it wasn't a factor at all
Hey wouldn't that create a loop of fear because they're going to fear the idea of fear itself? I mean the people would be afraid of fear because that fear creates an dangerous being, leaving them still in fear.
Keep up the great work and videos Nick
Wait I was under the impression that a Heavenly restriction was something you that your just born with, and that you can’t choose to have one. I think you might be confusing heavenly restriction with a binding vow
I am so glad I have finally found a logical thinker on social media. Most people create opinions based on personal circumstances and call them facts, then try to spread their "facts" and force them on other people, just as they do with ideologies, as you explained. Your analysis is on point! Geto's my favourite character and you really did him justice; not just by highlighting his reasons, and why he believed he was right, but also by adding, at the end, that his method was wrong, while keeping the entire situation as beautifully complex as it is. I mean, it is always better to simplify things for people to understand, but we mustn't simplify more than we can, that is, we can't change facts just for stupid people to be able to knock them into their skulls.
I think an important distinction between the motivations of Eren and Geto is the simple fact that if all the Eldians were exterminated- then the Titans would just stop existing. However, if all Jujutsu Sorcerers were exterminated- Cursed Energy would still exist, and Cursed Spirits would run rampant completely unchecked
Geto doesn't want to eliminate all jujutsu sorcerers, he wants to eliminate all non jujutsu sorcerers
You know what they say: “One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter”
That instant private was hilarious tho
He got the copyright on his ass
So I'm not the only one I was thinking this is the third notification I got for this video today.
@@EvillAnime i thought it was bc he was saying Suguru "Obey. Me. Monkeys." Geto was correct lol
I had an interesting idea that I think you could do a good job at you to covering, how would you convert Naruto characters (specifically the Konoha 13 and the Akatsuki along with others if you’d like) into jujutsu scorchers/curse users. How would you convert their abilities and their main kit into cursed techniques or other such abilities within the confines of the JJK universe.
Geto had options other than genocide. Eren didn't.
The the best part about characters like Geto. Objectively he isn’t wrong, morally he also isn’t wrong, if he wants to get rid of Curse’s the fastest way to go about it is to erase the masses of monkeys.
There isn’t a doubt in my mind that if Gojo was with Geto when he saved those 2 girls from the villagers he’d be the first one to start the slaughter. He was ready to erase the room of people celebrating the death of Amanai. Imagine if he saw them abusing the other 2.
While I don't fully agree with Geto, I see how he got to where he is and it makes me sympathetic in some ways. Was literally forced to swallow shit environment for people who didn't care about him, and Toji really fuked his view of the world.
Honestly I think when GoJo knelt in front if Geto, and he spoke what we couldn't hear, he said I hate them too fan theory but I wouldn't be suprised
This video is so interesting! Didn’t really pick up on why he changed his ideology. This really cleared things up thanks!
Yeah, if I were Eren Jaegar, and it was the case that everyone I knew would be wiped out. Unless I wiped out the people trying to wipe us out. My wife, daughter, family and friends would come first. I would look for other ways of resolving the issue first. But, if just as in AOT. There really weren’t other ways. Then, sorry not sorry.
I think some points in this video aren’t accurate. It’s simple, Geto was a person who believed the strong should help the “weak” which are non sorcerers. After fighting Toji and witnessing the hatred and disguising nature of some humans towards them even though it kills him and his friends everyday to save them, it made him rethink things. And after learning that humans actually make curses in the first place he decides they are the problem so he aims to solve it at the root. Simple
also immagine creating even 3 or 4 humans equal to toji, that would already tip the scale since any cursed spirit below special grade + gets crushed and destroyed by people of that strenght, if you made 100 not only less cursed energy is produced but way way way more people capable of killing cursed spirits appear
and also get the sumo guy to train them all
and another key factor is that if JJS are public, they can get more information on the curses they are fighting thanks to a broader information gathering network which would reduce casualties even more, both by virtue of faster responses and no more first year students getting sent to fight special grade spirits
good video bro!
Wouldn't Geto's plan a) create a bunch of new sorcerers who hate his guts (and possibly all of sorcerers) for killing their family and b) involve killing all non sorcerers that were born? (How many parents would be ok with that?)
That seems like a great way to start a civil war and a bunch of assassination attempts, wouldn't it?
For a he wouldn't care
For b no because the entire idea was to make everyone a sorcerer, you dont get born a non sorcerer when both of your parents are sorcerers
Absolutely love this video
For real. Mindset of Geto
Considering how America reacted when they found out about cursed energy, Geto had a point.
simple answer they not ready face totally unknow thing.
"If we can use fear..."
Yes, just like how you should feel pain, contemplate pain, know pain, accept pain...
Geto seems very inspired by Shinobu Sensui, both top tier antagonists
I believe Geto was inspired by Sensui. If I’m not mistake Gege was/is heavily influenced by Hxh and Yuyu H.
@@ironsyd4022 look at curse power system yeah nearly similar to both.
Can you do a video breaking down the sternritters
bambietta would be 10 videos. gotta explain her...assets
So Geto literally tasted normal people negative feelings and he got sick of it in both ways (in real life and when he absorbs it) anyone will get severe depression from that absorbing negative energy for his entire life and the rest of it , he just saw that it didn't worth it for a bunch of scumbags celebrating the death of innocent girl.
2:10 ,sukuna techically isnt a curse either
🤔🤔 now he's a cursed spirit. He started off as a jujutsu sorcerer. I mean I see where your coming from, but his a cursed spirit/item now a days.
He was a jujutsu sorcerer who in death made himself a cursed object and is no reincarnated in a human body, he’s never been a cursed spirit
Sukuna is an incarnated sorcerer who uses fingers to incarnate himself. Kenjaku is also an incarnated sorcerer who uses his brain as a cursed object to do so. Saying he is a curse is incorrect and likely comes from characters like Yuji and Gojo who did not know what Sukuna actually was when they labeled him a curse.
IL FIRST! great video your videos have helped me stay greatful for what I have and appreciate my life. My mother is Dying by cancer. You have kept me through a hard time. Thank you
Geto was strong enough to protect jujutsu socersor he should have tried to create a community that would watch each others back. For me gojo has the right idea to foster a strong generation of socersor that won't go around committing genocide and also protect their friends
that wouldn't have stopped the never ending cycle of deaths in jujutsu society
Gojo's ideology is sort of a selfish ideology. He's Soo op that he lacks equality. He doesn't want to be alone. Gojo still can't totally tolerate the weak. But nobody still has the right to take the youth from them.
You keep speaking of heavenly restriction like it’s a choice. You don’t “undergo” it you are born how you are which you mentioned once but we’re still inconsistent. It’s not like your family chooses your CE levels. Makis situation was one of one.
Love the vid,could you do a strongest cursed techniques one?
And those people are regretting it right now they are wishing that she merged with Tengen
That's why I mock them, got taken over by a shaman and their plan completely backfire 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@samuraitadpole5459 😂😂😂
some cult in jujutsu kaisen: we must kill her so that tengen stay pure.
reality: Are your sure about that?
@@OwO377 if reality had a form it’s about to whoop their asses
@@grandwerewolfeagle very true.
I mean erens people were hated for the sins of their ancestors treated like slaves at the beginning so to me it seems eren was doing the right thing because if the world isn’t going to listen then he had no other choice but to make them listen. Think about it without erens actions the world probably would’ve remain same.
I’m not gonna lie. It looks like that kid was getting some different type of action there.
Come on man 😅, humans have never been able to find a global harmony only based in morals or ethics. You can tell me it’s sad the our people have this pride in individualism and no respect at all for the fact that we are the same in so many aspects. It’s been like that for the previous 11 000 years of human history and it’s going to be like that until the end of us. Only love, hate or fear can make a human being dedicate his life entirely to something and it is emotionally, spiritually and physically impossible for us ALL to love, hate or fear the same. It is mainly because we are different that the hate started and there’s gonna be hate until we are all the same. For that we would have to give away our own interests, dreams and plans and I don’t think me or you or anyone it’s ever going to be ready for that. I respect a lot your opinion and I truly believe that we can be better as a race, but the truth does not respect what we believe ( I love your videos btw, always such an amazing food for thought).
We’ve been finding more ways to divide ourselves on a dally basis for over 10 000 years. Wars, religion, politics, classes, rases, sexuality, even nationality. It never stops because it’s in our nature to care for US first and then the rest.
I hope nobody ever (EVER) gains the individual power to unify the human rase like we see in JJK or AOT. If it happens the only way to do it based in truth we’ll be to eliminate all the other variables 😢. Sorry for the long comment and dark morals, it’s just objective man truly. Peace man ✌🏻
I don’t think you can learn a heavenly restriction? It’s a restriction placed on them by jujutsu itself. Maki didnt “give up” her CE, Mai took all their CE (because they’re twins) and took it with her, leaving Maki with absolutely 0 CE.
nick since the new season of jjk is currently being released could you make a video explaining toji?
I get that genocide is genocide, but the reason why i stan eren and magneto is simple, these people were going to be genocided themselves, what did you want them to do sit back and die, in the X-Men case many could say magneto could help the X-Men acheive whatever it was they were trying to achieve but we also get countless scenarios were humanity set sentinels on the mutants just because they existed. Genocide is genocide but between inflicting genocide on others and being the victim of genocide, well i know what I'm picking
If Geto was right then Gojo would not have changed his ideology in JJK 0. Gojo went from thinking lower of non-sorcerers to needing to protect them after Toji clapped both of them and Geto went full 180 from feeling everyone can reside in peace to now full blown hating non-sorcerers because theyre weak. Then again Geto and Gojo are just mirrored images of their past selves
Not really he start to be more natural to them and start to think about his people more yah you're kinda wrong
You didn't watch the video did you, because Nick literally explains that Geto does this because he views them as a threat because they have all the power.
I think a third option will appear with yuji as he can imprint on to others. If he used that ability with tengen and maki to imprint heavenly restriction to everyone the problem would be solved but the biggest obstacle is sukuna who is prolly gonna die and is killed by gojo, and kenjaku (don’t have any conclusions on him yet. The only problem now is that yuji doesn’t realize his ability or know how to correctly use it, it just happens. (This is only if gege proves it to be true)
Actually turns out that Yuji is part curse spirit
Yuji can imprint onto others.
What are u even talking about?
Saying you disagree with Eren is essentially saying
"I agree that Eldians should be oppressed and subjugated purely based on a circumstance of their birth they have no control over"
Because that's what a world without the rumbling entails,saying "hurr durr muh genocide" doesn't work either because the rumbling is not targeting a specific group of people,it's targeting every single human being on earth beyond the shores of Paradis,the genocide arguement does work with Getou since he is targeting a specific group,non-sorcerers,so why do you disagree with the mass murder one series and denounce it as genocide while agreeing with the actual genocide being tauted in the other?
Funniest shit I heard is people disagree with eren but say Zeke's plan was right like Zeke isn't committing genocide in a different way
What erens doing is even worse lol.Furthermore he doesn't even accomplish his goal since the remaining 20% of the world has wiped out paradise by the end anyway.
@@amogus1415I like the message "it's a vicious cycle but I wish the protagonists weren't persecuted so it could hit home, now it just looks like victim blaming
@@samuraitadpole5459 I don't understand your comment.Are you agreeing with eren?
@@amogus14151. yes, you're telling me people think it's wrong to defend yourself????
2. Worse thing about Eren is he acted first.
3. Yes history repeats itself but honestly do people expect the racists to listen to the target of their hate?
4. What would you do in Eren's situation especially when you saw world leaders agreeing with your genocide?
5. You do understand propaganda is a thing and america invaded the middle east for the twin towers
10:10 “because thats what heroes do”
My favorite protagonist and antagonist ideology is between kenshin and shishio. Shishio is real bad and not one of these fallen heroes. And his ideology is somehow logical and based on the laws of the nature. While kenshins ideology is based an emotions and ethic. That what defines us as humans and differentiates us from animals
I really want an alt univ storyline of Geto and the Star Vessel girl (Riku?) running off into the sunset and being left alone to live in peace. I knew this was never going to happen, but my heart still wanted it when he extended his hand to her.
You heard it hear folks on the podcast, Nick has plenty of money,
He doesn’t need your sub, like, or whatever else
Please turn up your vocals more when you edit your videos. I noticed your videos are always quieter Then other youtube creators. I'll try to clean out my earwax but please notch it up a little bit
“Sometimes you just don’t agree with the ideologies of the hero and instead identify with the villain’s ideology.”
So what about Hit-
Edit: this is a joke
Kanye, is that you?
Genocide is not ok
@@Mavuika_GyaruWho decides that?
Does this keep getting taken down or something??
Geto and Shinobu from Yu Yu Hakuso 🤝🏽
If the entire world knew how to use juijitsu I’d be wraps for society
After 2 times of trying to upload it worked
Nick : creates a channel that’s not Naruto content related
Also Nick: references Naruto on his new channel 😂we love it.
Both Eren and Geto have utilitarian philosophies that choose to protect the many by sacrificing the few, which I gather can come off as confusing when we're talking about two people who want to kill off the majority of the human population in favor of a small group of the human population, but you have to realize what population groups they're actually measuring. Eren's is actually a bit more obvious because he's weighing the Eldian lives within the Walls to the Eldian lives outside of the Walls, and he reasons that, if in order to protect the majority of Eldians who are in the Walls from the dangers of the non-Eldians outside of the Walls, he must kill all of the Eldians outside of the Walls too, then that is a reasonable sacrifice to make. Geto's is a bit less obvious because he's sort of weighing two different camps, and in Camp A you have Jujutsu Sorcerers, and in Camp B you have no Jujutsu Sorcerers (and a couple billion non-Sorcerers), and so he understandably comes to the conclusion that Camp A with the majority Sorcerers should survive. One could argue however that Sorcerers who stand against him wind up in Camp B, hence the Night Parade of a Hundred Demons.
I was thinking the best connection would be magneto😂
Yeah 😅