John Petrucci Mark Five vs Mark IIC+ Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- Dream Theater Guitarist John Petrucci took a day off from a busy touring schedule while en route to their San Francisco gig to stop by the Mesa factory for some hanging out and general tone summit. One of the subjects that came up was how one of his favorite Mark IIC+ heads stacks up to the C+ Mode on the Mark V.
When it comes to the Mark IIC+, John is truly one of the worldwide experts on the Mark IIC+, next to Founder Randall Smith, Tone Boy Doug West and Mesa Chief Technician Mike Bendinelli. In this video, John explains how the Mark Five’s C+ Mode was designed around the best and most prized of the Mark IIC+ amp configurations available (since there are many different configurations of Mark IIC+ out there) while playing a few riff examples from the song “Enigma Machine” off the latest 2014 album titled after the bands name.
The playing examples were recorded via John’s personal SM57 and Shure KSM 313 Ribbon Mic from his live shows into a Rectifier 2x12 switched back and forth with a cab switcher. Played through John’s signature Ernie Ball Music Man Majesty 7 string guitar through a Mark IIC+ 100 Watt, Graphic EQ and Reverb hardwood head in Lead Mode and a Mark V head in Channel 3 on the Mark IIC+ Mode.
Our thanks to John Petrucci, Tech Maddi Schieferstein and the Dream Theater crew for their efforts to make this video possible.
After watching John an his 5.000 $ rig ,(for a demo )
I'm all hype and I'm gonna rock the hell out of my Cube 15w roland amp hahahahahahh
Me 10W Ibanez cube :3
VetoSchwarz I got my 20w peavey ready to go, bro, just send me a text
thats a great practice amp. one of the best clean channels in 15w amps.
But why people still buy Cube’s peavey or ibanez Haha for arround 150 dollars you can get an amazing sound with software and good headphones
I have Randall RH300G3+ with cab, it was quite cheap, only about 400$
Mark IIc+ Rhythm 2:48
Mark V Rhythm 3:21
Mark IIc+ Lead 4:07
Mark V Lead 4:47
Came back to this after some time and I really here a big difference now. The Mark V sounds much tighter in it's attack, great for modern metal, the iic+ is a little softer in it's attack. So if you wanted a more vintage sound you might be better off trying an option on channel 2 instead.
@@black.iczelion Agree, Mark V is a bit tighter. But I can hear the same core sound in both. Not something that would make too much difference
god bless you
Bought my IIc+ in 1984. Simul-class, all the options. It's the amp I'll never sell.
I'll give you my kidney for it
Hilarious!
collumww I'll raise the offer to my left ball for it.
You need to upload some videos of it
@@axlej11 It'll be both your balls Alex.
I would like to see a video of Hetfield comparing Mark IIC+ and Mark V using his And Justice For All and Master of Puppets tone. That would be amazing.
We'd like to see this too, +Enrique M. :)
@@mesaboogie Please keep trying to ask James Hetfield to do this.
THIS MUST HAPPEN!! That ...And Justice For All tone is just insane!
James is not a tone nerd like John. It wouldo not surprise me if he said he doesn't know how to dial in a decent tone (including micing and eq, of course).
Clearly you've already been given the answer because he only endorses the pickups. Trade secrets are trade secrets. We want trade secrets to exist. Or else to you want 500 non USA bands and another 5000 non USA bands playing with Metallica sounds? That's probably musical hell.
The Mark V is clearer, tighter, and brighter, especially for the low strings portion. Really wish this video was longer to hear him play the rest of the song, which is also one of my favorites of DT.
The IIC+ should be reissued...
That'd be very cool!!
that would be awesome!
It is.... In the Mark V.
but unfortunately is not the same sound
It is with the JP2C
2years ago, I made a comment.....since that time, I have had 3 different Boogies. I will never go to another amp brand. MESA BOOGIE..... thank you for everything. I really hope you see this. I am writing this with all the emotion.....from the bottom of my heart.......thank you so mu Mesa. Thank you for everything. You have become a part of my life that I will forever cherish. I genuinely hope you know what that means. Thank you again. A million times, thank you.
The V sounds clearer and tighter where the IIC+ sounds more "vintagey", fuzzier, and a bit fatter. I wouldn't use the IIC+ for modern heavy rhythm tone. I would use to the IIC+ for more vintage sounding stuff (80s metal) and leads and use the Mark V for the heavier and more modern stuff.
agree if you wanna play old Metallica the IIC+ is the amp to get.
I think with a boost, it could get there. I guess we don't know whats going on in front of the amp in this video, but to me, it sounds straight into the amp.
I’m not a fan of Mesa Boogie amps unless I was playing death metal back in the day I’d use my friends triple rectifier and a Maxon pedal. For 80’s metal/shred tone nothing beats an ADA MP1 with a poweramp or a Marshall Mark II with a DOD 250 overdrive pedal both using an Ibanez SDR 1000 reverb rack to get that massive huge 80’s sound! It’s the same reverb. Eddie used on Van Halen’s 1979 debut album, Paul used one in his Racer X days as well as Tony Macalpine and countless others in the 80’s .
This just goes to show how versatile the Mark V really is. I use mine on the IIC+ mode as well because I think it sounds the most vintage. But I have the mids cranked instead of scooped and with my Luke it sound nothing even remotely like John's tone. It's just such a phenomenal amp.
Great comparison! I thought the Mark V held it's own nicely. I doubt listeners would notice if he switched between the IIc+ and the V from one song to another on consecutive album tracks.
I agree! BTW- DIG your demos and tutorials! Nice to see someone who is really good at their craft. Thanks for the contributions and sharing.
Andrew Abbett - Agree - ***** is putting some very cool demo stuff together. Thanks, Daniel!
Hi Jason Burkey - That's what we did. Check the description. This comparison is running through JUST one 2x12 Rectifier cab. Each amp is switched into the same cab with a Radial Cabinet Switcher. That's why there's only mics on the one cab in the video. The two 1x12 Mini Rectfiier Cabs are in the shot because that's what John uses as his 'monitor' cabs at the front of the stage, and... because they look ridiculously cool and are great Mark IIC+ 'stands' in this video. :D Hope this helps!
Sorry I just assumed. Apologies for my comment. Still an amazing video.
Jason Burkey No worries... just wanted to clarify! Thanks for the kind words. ;)
Jason Burkey Jason I think the IIC+ mode in Mark V sounds a little bit more modern than the original one, but the gain is the same. I hear a little bit more of bite, but not so much to say they're totally different tones. Anyway..I've have experience with other companies that for a little problem answer after 2 months. Mesa loves us and we love them .-)
Very kind, Hagstrom4ever :D. We DO love you! And we agree on your assessment of the IIC+ here. You have good ears! :)
MESA/Boogie I hope :-) I spend a lot of hours (when I don't work) near my cab tweaking the amp to find the minimal difference that could be the best for what I need.
I always wanted a Mark IIC+ but could never find one with what I wanted for an affordable price. This video makes me even more excited that I am going to be getting a Mesa Mark V :) !
Thanks Mesa/Boogie!
Thank YOUJunnage - You have picked up on essentially the point of this video - the Mark IIC+ is alive and well in the Mark V. PLUS - there's TONS of other sounds to be had beyond that renowned tone. Thanks for the outstanding comment and thanks for watching! :D
So the Mark V is Mesa's greatest hits of the Mark series.
Sad to say I sold my Mark V and have been regretting it ever since.
It was extremely versatile.
Love it , he had the eq set like Hetfield for AJFA.
I bought a dead mint (unused) Mk IIC+ head in 1990 when I was in high school for $400. The man selling it bought it in the early 80s direct from Mesa. Soon after receiving it, his house was broken into and all of his gear was stolen (except the amp, which was in a closet with a slip cover in it). He kept the amp thinking he would rebuild his rig but never did. Fast forward to 1990 where he sold it to me for quick cash, as he had a baby on the way. When I went to test it at his house with a loaner cab, it was the first time he'd heard it since the break in. The poor guy almost cried. He still had all the brochures and literature that came with the amp including a thank you card from Randall Smith. I loved that amp, but eventually parted with it a few years later when I needed money while changing careers. I sold it for $800 with a cab. This was still before they became extremely collectible. That amp would go for thousands now LOL. Oh well, I paid a good deal forward to another excited young kid and have since gone in to own several more Mesa amps.
The Mark V captures the ("general") IIC+ tone just fine imo. I'd love to get one (Mk V) sometime in the future.
Mark V is more focused. Especially I like that focused "clank" when every string was pull. It's really new generation :)
Mesa and Johnnie....a match made in heaven. Favorite guitarist by far.......best amps......BY FAR. Keep up the absolutely ridiculous work guys. Petaluma love
John could probably secretly switch between a Mark II, IV, and V in a live setting with very few or even no ears in the audience noticing. I'm using my Mark V with greenbacks in my cab now. Totally digging it, and its really starting to sing like some of the older Marks.
This video brought me out of a haze of trying to figure out how to make the Mesa mark five channel 3 sound brutal. I can now raise the dead thanks to John.
Mark IIC+ mode gives spooky awesome tones. With the power tubes pushed all the way, it gets into Black Keys/White Stripes territory. I nearly bought a fuzz pedal before discovering this. I keep buying pedals and selling them because I prefer the straight Boogie tone. I have had the amp for 3 years, play it almost every day and keep finding new sounds I like. Way to go Mesa!
Man, either way you can't go wrong!! I have a MV for a month now and I'm still in honeymoon!! Every time if think I found my dream sound I tweak a little bit more here and there and find one even better!! It's just crazy!!
i can hear the really slight difference between them. i prefer the mark V but that tone is spectacular
Damn, I really can hear a difference between the two. I'd love to have a Mark V combo, but the Holy Grail for me would still be the IIC+
Mark V has more clarity and tightness, both amazing but the V is more reliable and has way more options and pretty much nails the IIC+
Ive never had a chance to play a IIC+. That said, I HAVE played a Mark III red stripe, and it might be my all time favorite amp.
I prefer the IIC+ to the Mark V amp sound but both sound amazing! Now to save for one.
Mark V sounds so much tighter and less "flubby" than the original Mark IIC+. That's why I love my Mark V so much!!! Best amp ever for every tone I've ever needed.
Also, I love how people are screaming for the Mark IIC+ to be "reissued." They ALREADY DID!! It's in the Mark V. That's the closest Mesa themselves could get to making a Mark IIC+ reissue, so if you want it, buy a Mark V. It's the perfect amp.
uglyguitarguy Can't agree more.
You assume I've never played a Mark IIC+, which is unfortunate, because I have and I'd still pick my Mark V.
Sadly Kyle, I'm not as much of an expert of IIC+ specs as you are, so I can't say I took notes about every detail of the IIC+ that I played to regurgitate to you right now. If that's your forte then more power to you. However, I'm an expert in what sounds good to me, and the Mark V is the last amp I'll ever own because it nails the sound that my ears want to hear. Don't forget, everyone's taste is different, so there's no need to be so aggressive just because you're hiding behind a computer screen. JP and Mesa did a great demo, and you should just be grateful they even took the time to try to educate their customers.
Exactly, the amp is really versatile, and dynamic
the single note stuff reminds me of the inspector gadget theme
haha yeah man, the song he is playing is a dream theater song called 'enigma machine'. it's an instrumental, and john said that he wanted it to have a spy movie vibe :P
Jeff Corcoran that explains it then
Absolutely 😆
In my opinion sound from Mark V is more tight and sounds better on single notes. On the other hand IIC+ sounds bigger on the power chords. It might be eq thing though. But to be honest - difference is small so my choice would be Mark V because of more variety. Thanks John for this presentation! I watched many videos with Mesa and Petrucci's signature guitar and it didn't sound like Petrucci at all. Hand is hand!
Mark V is tighter and more focused.
Mark II C+ is loose on the bottom end and sounds "flubby"
Get a Mark V and turn the bass up to match! Lol
Interesting. I thought the opposite. To me the II C+ had better note separation and sounded less "fizzy" and thought the V was less chunky. They both sound of the same tone stack though.
killereverb Mark IV to me is like the perfect middle ground.
Instead of that get a mark IV with an el34 set so it doesn't sound like dog shit. On that note, does anyone want a mark V for a bunch of money? If not, then the Mark V is awesome as hell. Did I ruin my sales pitch?
I thought the opposite and to me the IIC+ had more presence. Cut through a heavy mix more easily. I think that if Petrucci had these amps dialed in the same you could probably make either sound like the other with a little tweaking.
I expected to like the IIC+ more - as copies usually are not as great as the originals - but... I preferred the V by far. At least in this video. It was tighter and clearer. Perhaps they should not have been dialed the same - maybe the IIC+ should have less bass or less gain to clean up the low end - but the way things were set up I liked the V more.
Jp dialed it himself, there's no bigger authority in doing that than him.
vicsnake Well, he said they are dialed the same. So if the goal was to showcase the V, he would dial the V the way it sounded best and then dial the IIC+ the same way, which may not have been the best setting for that particular IIC+. This is always the problem with a comparison at the same settings - it always benefits one piece of gear better than the other. To me the best comparison is not at the same settings but at the optimal settings for each individual piece of gear. Anyway, from this vid I would have picked the V.
Shmalentine Yes, I liked the V more as well but not because I have one. I think the IIC+ lacked clarity and definition on the low B but the little solos that he played sounded better.
vicsnake I never said I had one. In fact I've never even played through either IIC+ or V (I did own a couple of Rectos a while back before I switched to Bogner Uber). My opinion is based solely on this video. And I agree, the V sounded much clearer and tighter - especially in the low chords - but also (to me) in the individual note runs. Anyway, I certainly wouldn't mind adding a V to my stable.
Shmalentine I meant me, I have a V and I try not to be biased.
The Mark V is absolutely incredible. Not saying the IIC+ isn't, but the fact that it sounds sooooo close.....absolutely incredible. Thank you Mesa Boogie for everything. You make the world a better place.
Just bought the Mark V and I never want to go back to something else...it’s sounds so amazingly tight!
Congrats on the new rig, Hilbert! Hope it exceeds your expectations. :)
MESA/Boogie It does! Man, that tone....I've set it up in true stereo using two heads and TC Electronic Gmajor2. By directing one of the TC outputs to the return of the second amp I'm bypassing the preamp of that second amp. Together with my Musicman Luke BFR I'm finally able to create that mid 80's Lukather tone...and beyond! Would you guys appreciate if I make vid about my setup with Mark V as subject? :)
As promised! The Mark V in action during a concert in a small venue. The proof that the MESA sound is the absolute #1! ruclips.net/video/1B18olp3mgE/видео.html
Nobody makes better Mesa Mark V setting better than JP
Fuck I am just impressed that JP can play that stuff over and over with no mistakes!
The heavy low chords sound crisper and cleaner through the Mark Five, but the Mark IIC+ sounded alot better in the mids in single note progression, more smooth. The Mark Five had a little more...almost twangy-ness in the mids. Would love to own a IIC+ but the Mark Five doesn't suck either :P
I have owned both amps. While I did love the C+, I found it to be too "noisy" and not versatile enough to give me the variation in sounds that I needed. It could have been due to old tubes (it wasn't microphonic, just a general hiss). The Mk V is an outstanding amp, in my opinion. Not only for channel 3 but also the clean sounds that are available on channel 1 and the Mk I setting on channel 2 are killer.
Mesa Boogie makes great amps. I am the original owner of a recto that is of legal drinking age now and has brought me endless hours of joy, (Orange Channel in Raw Mode with Spongy and Tube Selected on the back and all knobs at noon except the gain around 1 or 2 O’Clock = a mellow crunch tone I’ve spent decades enjoying… This amp continues to educate me on audio, electronics, and tone, to this day.
I’ve just started to appreciate the Mark tones and in this demo, I’d go with the old school IIC+. The MKV sounds like a MKV. Petrucci was being nice by saying it’s the, “same spirit” and sure it is, but it’s not exactly the same and that’s why Petrucci still owns his 2C+’s: Because a mid-1980’s Boogie Mark IIC+ is the greatest heavy metal tone of all time.
EXCELLENT demo video!!! JUST received my Mark V in for review over at musicplayers.com. I specifically chose this amp for review in hopes it faithfully recreated the IIC+ tone. Just viewing this video, its basically the same! The Mark V sounded like it had a little more bite to it, but honestly a few dB on the high end or moving the mic an inch would have probably yielded the same result. IF you can find a IIC+, you're spending at least Mark V money. With so much more the new amp gives you, I couldn't see NOT buying the Mark V vs. the IIC+ (unless you already have a Mark V and a yacht, Benz etc etc etc).
I'm looking forward to getting my Mark V because of the versatility and tight response. However, I look forward to using the IIC+ mode at high gain in recording some killer metal riffs. I hear some people saying that the IIC+ sound is dated. "Master of Puppets" sounds awesome to me. The Mark IV was used on two of "Nevermore's" best sounding albums. Anyway, it's a win/win situation as far as I am concerned!
Valagnar I think Lamb of God uses (or used to use) Mark VIs, too. They pretty damn modern.
I have the Mark5, If you put the amp in Triode mode, drop the 240 slider right under the middle line and then raise the Presence up to about 1:30, its gives you more of that "Vintage", less tighter tone. Petrucci likes to raise that 240 slider up a lot, that's what gives him that tighter tone he likes.
Both sound great, Mark V sounds a little more compressed, i personally prefer IIC+.
Yeah,the Mark V has a little more bite which is great cause the people that usually end up playing through the IIC+ wanna get extra sizzle going without being fuzzy,which the Mark V does exactly.
+1 for Mark IIC+ !
That is real fucking close, great job!
Hi +Gabriel Martins - There are a number of options for using the external switch jacks on the back of the Mark V with a MIDI inteface device. The RJM Amp Gizmo is one such device that will convert the 1/4" switch jacks to respond to your MIDI messages. We love MIDI too but LOTS (Most) of folks don't use it and it does increase the cost. That said, lots of great stuff in the works all the time so stay tuned and thanks for the comment!
Quick comparison timestamps
2:48 vs 3:21 (IIC+ - V)
4:07 vs 4:47 (IIC+ - V)
I would love to see a comparison of John's Signature JP-2C amp with the Mark V!
Please!
It will be very very very interesting!!!!
Mark V is just a little bit (just a little) clearer and tighter, but the Mark IIC+ sounds a little heavier and has more "life" (I don't know how to call it haha). For me Mark IIC+ > Mark V > Everything else.
I have a C+. One thing that the Mark V doesnt have. A very crucial quality. The FEEL of a C+
The differences sound subtle enough for this to be considered a reissue, The only slight difference I can hear is if you turned the bass up and the treble down on one and did the opposite in the other and vice versa.
I'd like to see the Mark IV reissued with two IDENTICAL red channels a clean channel and two graphic eq's ! It would be flying off the shelf !
I love the sound of both amps...
John ! You just Say it's good ,and I just BUY BUY BUY
I prefer the original C+ a tiny bit. Both are awesome though. The Mark V might be a more practical amp.
Thank you MESA for doing a great job once again! Cool video! Both amps are "killing sound machines", but I like Mark V a little bit more in that video! Just my opinion :-) It'll be great, if you'll be doing more videos like this in future! Especially, with John!
I think the Mark V has a clearer sounding bottom end. The difference isn't huge but it's there. However the IIC+ has a rawness to it that the V doesn't quite manage to pull off. The IIC+ is a pure beast from the darkest part of the woods. The V is also rather beastly but it's tamer, has had a bath and been to the groomers, and takes his kids to soccer practice twice a week in his SUV. Which is better? I'd take either and be happy with it.
Two incredible tone machines right here! Mark V takes the win in a photo finish for the MK IIC+ battle. Comparing both amps as a whole......well no amp in the world beats a Mark V!!!!!
The original sounds like the lows are more in your face, it definitely has the broots.🤘🏿
The closed captions just killed me!So hilarious
Please tell me when your gonna release the mini Cabs with Diamond plate on them!!!!! Take my money now!
The Mark V on the iic+ mode sounds like you stuck a tube screamer in front of the old iic+. I like it!
God i love the Mesa tone, just wish i could afford one. some day i will have one
I prefer MARK IIC+ on this setting! ;-)
I have a Mark V and I love it. I think John is a rad player, but he turns the mids all the way down, the scoops them out on the EQ...I keep mids and I think it sounds so much better. Nice and thick, but still clear and sharp (It always sounds clear...even if you have it gained out and boosted). I guess it just goes to show how many cool tones are in this amp.
We really need to be right there to hear the comparison with any accuracy.
Now, the same thing with the Mark I and IV :D
I don't get the negative comments about the V. In this vid the V sounds a bit scooped and trebly than the IIC+, but in the mix I'd say it will be almost indifferent (the extra high ends probably will give the V an edge regarding clearness). Anyways, the difference is not that big at all to justify the "sry but the IIC+ rulz over the V" comments. It's kinda like no gibson r8 will be the same as the original 58, but in no way it's an inferior guitar.
That makes the Mark 5 the best amp ever.
Obrigado João Patrício! Já percebemos tudo :)
The V sounds really good but they should have modeled the channel on JP's IIC+... That said, the Mark IV mode should have been modeled after MY Mark IV. God, I love my Boogies!
nice reference with the video length
the Mark V sounds more focused, tighter, clearer and a little more compressed...i liked it more...
the Mark IIC+ appears more floppier on the bass/mid low freq...
More compressed means less dynamic.
@@nickwaters1701 Yes, and some people like it more.
these amps have a very dark brutal sound!
They both sound great!
Wonder if part availability keeps a 2C+ reissue from happening. The Mark 5 has a close facsimile but not good enough, it doesn't feel the same and that's where the 2C+ shines. Sure most haven't had the chance to to use a 2c+ so how could they even compare the two. Reissue the 2C+
@4:02 Mesa/Boogie cuts video to immediately hand him a check for reading that prescripted line.
Mark V sounds better to me. Can't wait until I get the mini...!!!!
Just played one at a local shop and wow that little guy kicks ass..
The C+ has the same tone with more clarity and headroom Imo, but the V has that extra "kick your ass" punch.
If you've got a Mark V, the only way to get the dynamics of the Mark V, to produce an accurate 2c+ tone, attack, and feel, is by using a boost pedal such as the Suhr, Koko Boost...
I just bought a Mark V 35 like a week ago and I'm loving it. Hopefully I can get some cabs soon as they are currently backorderd everywhere. I'm running through 2 Orange ppc2x12s and it sounds okay i guess but not as good as it could
Great tone... One question. Why isn't there a mic infront of the cab that's actually under the MK IIC+?
Hi Marc Taylor - We used the same cab for both amps and switched them via a cab switcher. This maintained both the cab and speakers in use as well as the mic placement so the comparison was as consistent as possible with each amp. Same cab= one less variable in the comparison! Thanks.
Why was the Mark III sound not included in the Mark V?
The IIC+ sounds bigger than the Mark V in this video.
I'd say its because its not as famous as the IIC+ and the IV
hmm, but at the same time, the MK III heads made a lot of buzz in the guitar community when it came out. Maybe the MK III is relatively the same as MK IV ?
Too many different variations I'd imagine. The 5 different stripes sound different enough that you could make a whole Mark VI just off the different stripes.
Rusty Shackleford ahh, that's very good insight. I didn't think about the stripes. Didn't know the different stripes would make such a difference. I have the red stripe MK III, have been using it since the late 80s, and it still sounds pretty good. Maybe I should try the Mark V.. looks very complicated.
GuitarToneFreaks Its really simple actually. All three channels are set up almost exactly the same way so once you're comfortably with one you're pretty much set with the others!
When are you making a Mini Mark?
I only need the Bold Tweed Clean and the bright Mark 4. Just 2 channels! Come on!
the sound of that mark 2 c was monstrous. damn you mesa boogie. just take my credit card already
Good comparison! But I think for this one I would of ran both heads through either the a 2-12 cab or just a single cab not a single and a 2-12. Kinda has a different sound from the 212 over the 112. But still amazing.
Owned and gigged with a IIC+ in the late 80s to early 90s. This one sounds very reminiscent of mine. That said, in this video I preferred the Mark V. Better definition. The IIC+ was just like mine. Heavy and it sounded really good if you didn't minding that hint of mushiness that you just couldn't dial out without losing the core tone. Liked the Boogie but never really bonded with it. Went back to Marshall style amps.
I just bought a Used Mark V Combo in Mint condition. Totally Psyched , and cannot wait for it to arrive. I heard they will retrofit into a head shell from MESA. Just wondering where I can get one? I already have a few Recto 4 x 12 cabs, and cannot wait to spend hours, and hours of tone tweaking. I play everything from Outlaws, Skynryd, Allman brothers all the way up to Metallica,OZZY, and Scorpion. Love Boogie/ John is amazing too. He has some great phrasing, and picking techniques.
Hiphallystorm - If you are looking for a Mark V head cabinet and you are in the USA, contact Mesa directly or your local dealer and you can order one up! Enjoy the amp!
I liked the sound of the V more because it sounded fuller.
The mark v sounds fantastic in person. In this demo though the c-plus totally dominates in subtle ways. It just sounds much more vibrant and juicy. You can hear how on an album it would make a huge difference and be the difference between wide selling song versus just another stereotypical metal song. People would listen to the c plus. Try the mark v out in person and don’t go by the online review. I would like one.
Mesa have one problem, the fucking price
Jackson Price the bigger the amp, the cheaper it is... ish, i think the cheaper once are overpreiced, but the mark v and the rectos are ok priced, made in the US, top of the line materials, cant go wrong
sergio doto 5 grand for a head is too much in my opinion
LOL mesa Mark V is $2249 dolars man
sergio doto Not in Australia
FeelsBadMan , if thats the case, isnt shipping cheaper if you order it from another country instead of buying it from that retailer? tbh 5k is too much even if its in australian currency
I think it sounds pretty damn close, good job Mesa! Want to buy one that you can switch down to 1W or 5W.
will you release c+'s again please mesa!! Im in need of a new amp and this is one I want to buy
+Christian Dinero Just buy one used.
+wxp24 I can't find them anywhere and where I can they are all asking for like 3k
Actually preferred the V, well done. Not sure if they would be able to get the IV mode to sound identical to the original though :P
prefer the mk v here, a bit more mids and clarity
The five sounds thin compared to the C+ to me. Especially on individual notes. The C+ has more 'character' noise if that makes sense and the five is too clean in between notes. They both sound really good though and i'd kill for either amp.
To my ears, the Mark V sounds tighter and more focused. Both sound great, though!
It is the same IMO. But Mark V for me for all the extra options.
The CII+ sounds fatter and warmer when john plays the chords, but I prefer the mark v for the single notes. Both very nice though :)
The JP amp looks like it’s going to launch you into space .