John Petrucci Mark Five vs Mark IIC+ Comparison

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  • Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
  • Dream Theater Guitarist John Petrucci took a day off from a busy touring schedule while en route to their San Francisco gig to stop by the Mesa factory for some hanging out and general tone summit. One of the subjects that came up was how one of his favorite Mark IIC+ heads stacks up to the C+ Mode on the Mark V.
    When it comes to the Mark IIC+, John is truly one of the worldwide experts on the Mark IIC+, next to Founder Randall Smith, Tone Boy Doug West and Mesa Chief Technician Mike Bendinelli. In this video, John explains how the Mark Five’s C+ Mode was designed around the best and most prized of the Mark IIC+ amp configurations available (since there are many different configurations of Mark IIC+ out there) while playing a few riff examples from the song “Enigma Machine” off the latest 2014 album titled after the bands name.
    The playing examples were recorded via John’s personal SM57 and Shure KSM 313 Ribbon Mic from his live shows into a Rectifier 2x12 switched back and forth with a cab switcher. Played through John’s signature Ernie Ball Music Man Majesty 7 string guitar through a Mark IIC+ 100 Watt, Graphic EQ and Reverb hardwood head in Lead Mode and a Mark V head in Channel 3 on the Mark IIC+ Mode.
    Our thanks to John Petrucci, Tech Maddi Schieferstein and the Dream Theater crew for their efforts to make this video possible.

Комментарии • 582

  • @VetoSchwarz
    @VetoSchwarz 10 лет назад +177

    After watching John an his 5.000 $ rig ,(for a demo )
    I'm all hype and I'm gonna rock the hell out of my Cube 15w roland amp hahahahahahh

    • @lakhrie6899
      @lakhrie6899 5 лет назад +2

      Me 10W Ibanez cube :3

    • @DennisTeti
      @DennisTeti 5 лет назад +3

      VetoSchwarz I got my 20w peavey ready to go, bro, just send me a text

    • @s.afoxmulder7661
      @s.afoxmulder7661 5 лет назад +2

      thats a great practice amp. one of the best clean channels in 15w amps.

    • @daan3192
      @daan3192 4 года назад +2

      But why people still buy Cube’s peavey or ibanez Haha for arround 150 dollars you can get an amazing sound with software and good headphones

    • @rtomas47
      @rtomas47 4 года назад

      I have Randall RH300G3+ with cab, it was quite cheap, only about 400$

  • @m3tafunj
    @m3tafunj 10 лет назад +94

    Mark IIc+ Rhythm 2:48
    Mark V Rhythm 3:21
    Mark IIc+ Lead 4:07
    Mark V Lead 4:47

    • @m3tafunj
      @m3tafunj 9 лет назад +3

      Came back to this after some time and I really here a big difference now. The Mark V sounds much tighter in it's attack, great for modern metal, the iic+ is a little softer in it's attack. So if you wanted a more vintage sound you might be better off trying an option on channel 2 instead.

    • @PEMAMETAL
      @PEMAMETAL 5 лет назад +2

      @@black.iczelion Agree, Mark V is a bit tighter. But I can hear the same core sound in both. Not something that would make too much difference

    • @scpfoundationtm1249
      @scpfoundationtm1249 3 года назад

      god bless you

  • @collumww
    @collumww 9 лет назад +49

    Bought my IIc+ in 1984. Simul-class, all the options. It's the amp I'll never sell.

    • @kenmasters007
      @kenmasters007 7 лет назад +12

      I'll give you my kidney for it

    • @collumww
      @collumww 7 лет назад

      Hilarious!

    • @axlej11
      @axlej11 7 лет назад +9

      collumww I'll raise the offer to my left ball for it.

    • @williamringler9304
      @williamringler9304 4 года назад

      You need to upload some videos of it

    • @Stoffendous
      @Stoffendous 3 года назад +1

      @@axlej11 It'll be both your balls Alex.

  • @guitartones1924
    @guitartones1924 8 лет назад +157

    I would like to see a video of Hetfield comparing Mark IIC+ and Mark V using his And Justice For All and Master of Puppets tone. That would be amazing.

    • @mesaboogie
      @mesaboogie  8 лет назад +96

      We'd like to see this too, +Enrique M. :)

    • @petejt
      @petejt 5 лет назад +26

      @@mesaboogie Please keep trying to ask James Hetfield to do this.

    • @mark7166
      @mark7166 5 лет назад +14

      THIS MUST HAPPEN!! That ...And Justice For All tone is just insane!

    • @victorbicudo1374
      @victorbicudo1374 5 лет назад +9

      James is not a tone nerd like John. It wouldo not surprise me if he said he doesn't know how to dial in a decent tone (including micing and eq, of course).

    • @dreyn7780
      @dreyn7780 5 лет назад

      Clearly you've already been given the answer because he only endorses the pickups. Trade secrets are trade secrets. We want trade secrets to exist. Or else to you want 500 non USA bands and another 5000 non USA bands playing with Metallica sounds? That's probably musical hell.

  • @fjk1138
    @fjk1138 7 лет назад +16

    The Mark V is clearer, tighter, and brighter, especially for the low strings portion. Really wish this video was longer to hear him play the rest of the song, which is also one of my favorites of DT.

  • @Orion28296
    @Orion28296 10 лет назад +167

    The IIC+ should be reissued...

  • @nickyounger1368
    @nickyounger1368 3 года назад +2

    2years ago, I made a comment.....since that time, I have had 3 different Boogies. I will never go to another amp brand. MESA BOOGIE..... thank you for everything. I really hope you see this. I am writing this with all the emotion.....from the bottom of my heart.......thank you so mu Mesa. Thank you for everything. You have become a part of my life that I will forever cherish. I genuinely hope you know what that means. Thank you again. A million times, thank you.

  • @Gonboo
    @Gonboo 10 лет назад +50

    The V sounds clearer and tighter where the IIC+ sounds more "vintagey", fuzzier, and a bit fatter. I wouldn't use the IIC+ for modern heavy rhythm tone. I would use to the IIC+ for more vintage sounding stuff (80s metal) and leads and use the Mark V for the heavier and more modern stuff.

    • @GuitarsAndSynths
      @GuitarsAndSynths 5 лет назад

      agree if you wanna play old Metallica the IIC+ is the amp to get.

    • @corycourtney8923
      @corycourtney8923 4 года назад

      I think with a boost, it could get there. I guess we don't know whats going on in front of the amp in this video, but to me, it sounds straight into the amp.

    • @merrittmussorgsky2937
      @merrittmussorgsky2937 3 года назад

      I’m not a fan of Mesa Boogie amps unless I was playing death metal back in the day I’d use my friends triple rectifier and a Maxon pedal. For 80’s metal/shred tone nothing beats an ADA MP1 with a poweramp or a Marshall Mark II with a DOD 250 overdrive pedal both using an Ibanez SDR 1000 reverb rack to get that massive huge 80’s sound! It’s the same reverb. Eddie used on Van Halen’s 1979 debut album, Paul used one in his Racer X days as well as Tony Macalpine and countless others in the 80’s .

  • @JamesRussoMillas
    @JamesRussoMillas 10 лет назад +9

    This just goes to show how versatile the Mark V really is. I use mine on the IIC+ mode as well because I think it sounds the most vintage. But I have the mids cranked instead of scooped and with my Luke it sound nothing even remotely like John's tone. It's just such a phenomenal amp.

  • @dlpasco
    @dlpasco 10 лет назад +26

    Great comparison! I thought the Mark V held it's own nicely. I doubt listeners would notice if he switched between the IIc+ and the V from one song to another on consecutive album tracks.

    • @andrewabbett5931
      @andrewabbett5931 10 лет назад +2

      I agree! BTW- DIG your demos and tutorials! Nice to see someone who is really good at their craft. Thanks for the contributions and sharing.

    • @mesaboogie
      @mesaboogie  10 лет назад +6

      Andrew Abbett - Agree - ***** is putting some very cool demo stuff together. Thanks, Daniel!

  • @mesaboogie
    @mesaboogie  9 лет назад +18

    Hi Jason Burkey - That's what we did. Check the description. This comparison is running through JUST one 2x12 Rectifier cab. Each amp is switched into the same cab with a Radial Cabinet Switcher. That's why there's only mics on the one cab in the video. The two 1x12 Mini Rectfiier Cabs are in the shot because that's what John uses as his 'monitor' cabs at the front of the stage, and... because they look ridiculously cool and are great Mark IIC+ 'stands' in this video. :D Hope this helps!

    • @Jaso0n1986
      @Jaso0n1986 9 лет назад +3

      Sorry I just assumed. Apologies for my comment. Still an amazing video.

    • @mesaboogie
      @mesaboogie  9 лет назад +4

      Jason Burkey No worries... just wanted to clarify! Thanks for the kind words. ;)

    • @Hagstrom4ever
      @Hagstrom4ever 9 лет назад +5

      Jason Burkey Jason I think the IIC+ mode in Mark V sounds a little bit more modern than the original one, but the gain is the same. I hear a little bit more of bite, but not so much to say they're totally different tones. Anyway..I've have experience with other companies that for a little problem answer after 2 months. Mesa loves us and we love them .-)

    • @mesaboogie
      @mesaboogie  9 лет назад +3

      Very kind, Hagstrom4ever :D. We DO love you! And we agree on your assessment of the IIC+ here. You have good ears! :)

    • @Hagstrom4ever
      @Hagstrom4ever 9 лет назад +4

      MESA/Boogie I hope :-) I spend a lot of hours (when I don't work) near my cab tweaking the amp to find the minimal difference that could be the best for what I need.

  • @junnage3912
    @junnage3912 9 лет назад +5

    I always wanted a Mark IIC+ but could never find one with what I wanted for an affordable price. This video makes me even more excited that I am going to be getting a Mesa Mark V :) !
    Thanks Mesa/Boogie!

    • @mesaboogie
      @mesaboogie  9 лет назад +3

      Thank YOUJunnage - You have picked up on essentially the point of this video - the Mark IIC+ is alive and well in the Mark V. PLUS - there's TONS of other sounds to be had beyond that renowned tone. Thanks for the outstanding comment and thanks for watching! :D

  • @Locoandchooch
    @Locoandchooch 10 лет назад +14

    So the Mark V is Mesa's greatest hits of the Mark series.
    Sad to say I sold my Mark V and have been regretting it ever since.
    It was extremely versatile.
    Love it , he had the eq set like Hetfield for AJFA.

  • @aviator_bryan
    @aviator_bryan 9 лет назад +3

    I bought a dead mint (unused) Mk IIC+ head in 1990 when I was in high school for $400. The man selling it bought it in the early 80s direct from Mesa. Soon after receiving it, his house was broken into and all of his gear was stolen (except the amp, which was in a closet with a slip cover in it). He kept the amp thinking he would rebuild his rig but never did. Fast forward to 1990 where he sold it to me for quick cash, as he had a baby on the way. When I went to test it at his house with a loaner cab, it was the first time he'd heard it since the break in. The poor guy almost cried. He still had all the brochures and literature that came with the amp including a thank you card from Randall Smith. I loved that amp, but eventually parted with it a few years later when I needed money while changing careers. I sold it for $800 with a cab. This was still before they became extremely collectible. That amp would go for thousands now LOL. Oh well, I paid a good deal forward to another excited young kid and have since gone in to own several more Mesa amps.

  • @Nghilifa
    @Nghilifa 10 лет назад +6

    The Mark V captures the ("general") IIC+ tone just fine imo. I'd love to get one (Mk V) sometime in the future.

  • @webzen92
    @webzen92 7 лет назад +9

    Mark V is more focused. Especially I like that focused "clank" when every string was pull. It's really new generation :)

  • @rickfeith6372
    @rickfeith6372 10 лет назад +7

    Mesa and Johnnie....a match made in heaven. Favorite guitarist by far.......best amps......BY FAR. Keep up the absolutely ridiculous work guys. Petaluma love

  • @turnthatuptoeleven1
    @turnthatuptoeleven1 9 лет назад +3

    John could probably secretly switch between a Mark II, IV, and V in a live setting with very few or even no ears in the audience noticing. I'm using my Mark V with greenbacks in my cab now. Totally digging it, and its really starting to sing like some of the older Marks.

  • @wheelsdetroit8608
    @wheelsdetroit8608 4 года назад +1

    This video brought me out of a haze of trying to figure out how to make the Mesa mark five channel 3 sound brutal. I can now raise the dead thanks to John.

  • @81realtime
    @81realtime 10 лет назад +4

    Mark IIC+ mode gives spooky awesome tones. With the power tubes pushed all the way, it gets into Black Keys/White Stripes territory. I nearly bought a fuzz pedal before discovering this. I keep buying pedals and selling them because I prefer the straight Boogie tone. I have had the amp for 3 years, play it almost every day and keep finding new sounds I like. Way to go Mesa!

  • @fcamposd1
    @fcamposd1 10 лет назад +1

    Man, either way you can't go wrong!! I have a MV for a month now and I'm still in honeymoon!! Every time if think I found my dream sound I tweak a little bit more here and there and find one even better!! It's just crazy!!

  • @scorpionz44
    @scorpionz44 9 лет назад +8

    i can hear the really slight difference between them. i prefer the mark V but that tone is spectacular

  • @BoozyBeggar
    @BoozyBeggar 9 лет назад +6

    Damn, I really can hear a difference between the two. I'd love to have a Mark V combo, but the Holy Grail for me would still be the IIC+

  • @gatitavelosa
    @gatitavelosa 10 лет назад +8

    Mark V has more clarity and tightness, both amazing but the V is more reliable and has way more options and pretty much nails the IIC+

  • @myewgul
    @myewgul 10 лет назад +2

    Ive never had a chance to play a IIC+. That said, I HAVE played a Mark III red stripe, and it might be my all time favorite amp.

  • @GuitarsAndSynths
    @GuitarsAndSynths 5 лет назад +3

    I prefer the IIC+ to the Mark V amp sound but both sound amazing! Now to save for one.

  • @uglyguitarguy
    @uglyguitarguy 10 лет назад +4

    Mark V sounds so much tighter and less "flubby" than the original Mark IIC+. That's why I love my Mark V so much!!! Best amp ever for every tone I've ever needed.

    • @uglyguitarguy
      @uglyguitarguy 10 лет назад +5

      Also, I love how people are screaming for the Mark IIC+ to be "reissued." They ALREADY DID!! It's in the Mark V. That's the closest Mesa themselves could get to making a Mark IIC+ reissue, so if you want it, buy a Mark V. It's the perfect amp.

    • @shredding1
      @shredding1 10 лет назад +1

      uglyguitarguy Can't agree more.

    • @uglyguitarguy
      @uglyguitarguy 10 лет назад +1

      You assume I've never played a Mark IIC+, which is unfortunate, because I have and I'd still pick my Mark V.

    • @uglyguitarguy
      @uglyguitarguy 10 лет назад +2

      Sadly Kyle, I'm not as much of an expert of IIC+ specs as you are, so I can't say I took notes about every detail of the IIC+ that I played to regurgitate to you right now. If that's your forte then more power to you. However, I'm an expert in what sounds good to me, and the Mark V is the last amp I'll ever own because it nails the sound that my ears want to hear. Don't forget, everyone's taste is different, so there's no need to be so aggressive just because you're hiding behind a computer screen. JP and Mesa did a great demo, and you should just be grateful they even took the time to try to educate their customers.

    • @nishadnadkarni7874
      @nishadnadkarni7874 10 лет назад

      Exactly, the amp is really versatile, and dynamic

  • @angrytroll27
    @angrytroll27 10 лет назад +32

    the single note stuff reminds me of the inspector gadget theme

    • @jwcorcoran9838
      @jwcorcoran9838 10 лет назад +4

      haha yeah man, the song he is playing is a dream theater song called 'enigma machine'. it's an instrumental, and john said that he wanted it to have a spy movie vibe :P

    • @angrytroll27
      @angrytroll27 10 лет назад +3

      Jeff Corcoran that explains it then

    • @Hoscitt
      @Hoscitt 3 года назад +1

      Absolutely 😆

  • @AdamGuitar87
    @AdamGuitar87 10 лет назад +5

    In my opinion sound from Mark V is more tight and sounds better on single notes. On the other hand IIC+ sounds bigger on the power chords. It might be eq thing though. But to be honest - difference is small so my choice would be Mark V because of more variety. Thanks John for this presentation! I watched many videos with Mesa and Petrucci's signature guitar and it didn't sound like Petrucci at all. Hand is hand!

  • @gtrslinger
    @gtrslinger 10 лет назад +81

    Mark V is tighter and more focused.
    Mark II C+ is loose on the bottom end and sounds "flubby"
    Get a Mark V and turn the bass up to match! Lol

    • @killereverb3928
      @killereverb3928 10 лет назад +18

      Interesting. I thought the opposite. To me the II C+ had better note separation and sounded less "fizzy" and thought the V was less chunky. They both sound of the same tone stack though.

    • @HurtboxTV
      @HurtboxTV 9 лет назад +8

      killereverb Mark IV to me is like the perfect middle ground.

    • @cheetahfish
      @cheetahfish 6 лет назад

      Instead of that get a mark IV with an el34 set so it doesn't sound like dog shit. On that note, does anyone want a mark V for a bunch of money? If not, then the Mark V is awesome as hell. Did I ruin my sales pitch?

    • @deanmlshredder
      @deanmlshredder 5 лет назад +1

      I thought the opposite and to me the IIC+ had more presence. Cut through a heavy mix more easily. I think that if Petrucci had these amps dialed in the same you could probably make either sound like the other with a little tweaking.

  • @Shmalentine
    @Shmalentine 10 лет назад +13

    I expected to like the IIC+ more - as copies usually are not as great as the originals - but... I preferred the V by far. At least in this video. It was tighter and clearer. Perhaps they should not have been dialed the same - maybe the IIC+ should have less bass or less gain to clean up the low end - but the way things were set up I liked the V more.

    • @vicsnake
      @vicsnake 10 лет назад +1

      Jp dialed it himself, there's no bigger authority in doing that than him.

    • @Shmalentine
      @Shmalentine 10 лет назад +4

      vicsnake Well, he said they are dialed the same. So if the goal was to showcase the V, he would dial the V the way it sounded best and then dial the IIC+ the same way, which may not have been the best setting for that particular IIC+. This is always the problem with a comparison at the same settings - it always benefits one piece of gear better than the other. To me the best comparison is not at the same settings but at the optimal settings for each individual piece of gear. Anyway, from this vid I would have picked the V.

    • @vicsnake
      @vicsnake 10 лет назад

      Shmalentine Yes, I liked the V more as well but not because I have one. I think the IIC+ lacked clarity and definition on the low B but the little solos that he played sounded better.

    • @Shmalentine
      @Shmalentine 10 лет назад

      vicsnake I never said I had one. In fact I've never even played through either IIC+ or V (I did own a couple of Rectos a while back before I switched to Bogner Uber). My opinion is based solely on this video. And I agree, the V sounded much clearer and tighter - especially in the low chords - but also (to me) in the individual note runs. Anyway, I certainly wouldn't mind adding a V to my stable.

    • @vicsnake
      @vicsnake 10 лет назад

      Shmalentine I meant me, I have a V and I try not to be biased.

  • @nickyounger1368
    @nickyounger1368 5 лет назад +4

    The Mark V is absolutely incredible. Not saying the IIC+ isn't, but the fact that it sounds sooooo close.....absolutely incredible. Thank you Mesa Boogie for everything. You make the world a better place.

  • @guitarhilley
    @guitarhilley 6 лет назад +1

    Just bought the Mark V and I never want to go back to something else...it’s sounds so amazingly tight!

    • @mesaboogie
      @mesaboogie  6 лет назад

      Congrats on the new rig, Hilbert! Hope it exceeds your expectations. :)

    • @guitarhilley
      @guitarhilley 6 лет назад

      MESA/Boogie It does! Man, that tone....I've set it up in true stereo using two heads and TC Electronic Gmajor2. By directing one of the TC outputs to the return of the second amp I'm bypassing the preamp of that second amp. Together with my Musicman Luke BFR I'm finally able to create that mid 80's Lukather tone...and beyond! Would you guys appreciate if I make vid about my setup with Mark V as subject? :)

    • @guitarhilley
      @guitarhilley 6 лет назад

      As promised! The Mark V in action during a concert in a small venue. The proof that the MESA sound is the absolute #1! ruclips.net/video/1B18olp3mgE/видео.html

  • @OTCRock4one
    @OTCRock4one 10 лет назад +3

    Nobody makes better Mesa Mark V setting better than JP

  • @tizmo57
    @tizmo57 6 лет назад +1

    Fuck I am just impressed that JP can play that stuff over and over with no mistakes!

  • @systematicchaos21
    @systematicchaos21 10 лет назад +4

    The heavy low chords sound crisper and cleaner through the Mark Five, but the Mark IIC+ sounded alot better in the mids in single note progression, more smooth. The Mark Five had a little more...almost twangy-ness in the mids. Would love to own a IIC+ but the Mark Five doesn't suck either :P

  • @stevequarcini4637
    @stevequarcini4637 10 лет назад +3

    I have owned both amps. While I did love the C+, I found it to be too "noisy" and not versatile enough to give me the variation in sounds that I needed. It could have been due to old tubes (it wasn't microphonic, just a general hiss). The Mk V is an outstanding amp, in my opinion. Not only for channel 3 but also the clean sounds that are available on channel 1 and the Mk I setting on channel 2 are killer.

  • @gunjabeans
    @gunjabeans 2 года назад +1

    Mesa Boogie makes great amps. I am the original owner of a recto that is of legal drinking age now and has brought me endless hours of joy, (Orange Channel in Raw Mode with Spongy and Tube Selected on the back and all knobs at noon except the gain around 1 or 2 O’Clock = a mellow crunch tone I’ve spent decades enjoying… This amp continues to educate me on audio, electronics, and tone, to this day.
    I’ve just started to appreciate the Mark tones and in this demo, I’d go with the old school IIC+. The MKV sounds like a MKV. Petrucci was being nice by saying it’s the, “same spirit” and sure it is, but it’s not exactly the same and that’s why Petrucci still owns his 2C+’s: Because a mid-1980’s Boogie Mark IIC+ is the greatest heavy metal tone of all time.

  • @joeydego2
    @joeydego2 9 лет назад +2

    EXCELLENT demo video!!! JUST received my Mark V in for review over at musicplayers.com. I specifically chose this amp for review in hopes it faithfully recreated the IIC+ tone. Just viewing this video, its basically the same! The Mark V sounded like it had a little more bite to it, but honestly a few dB on the high end or moving the mic an inch would have probably yielded the same result. IF you can find a IIC+, you're spending at least Mark V money. With so much more the new amp gives you, I couldn't see NOT buying the Mark V vs. the IIC+ (unless you already have a Mark V and a yacht, Benz etc etc etc).

  • @Valagnar
    @Valagnar 9 лет назад +4

    I'm looking forward to getting my Mark V because of the versatility and tight response. However, I look forward to using the IIC+ mode at high gain in recording some killer metal riffs. I hear some people saying that the IIC+ sound is dated. "Master of Puppets" sounds awesome to me. The Mark IV was used on two of "Nevermore's" best sounding albums. Anyway, it's a win/win situation as far as I am concerned!

    • @BoozyBeggar
      @BoozyBeggar 9 лет назад

      Valagnar I think Lamb of God uses (or used to use) Mark VIs, too. They pretty damn modern.

  • @tannerboil6765
    @tannerboil6765 6 лет назад +1

    I have the Mark5, If you put the amp in Triode mode, drop the 240 slider right under the middle line and then raise the Presence up to about 1:30, its gives you more of that "Vintage", less tighter tone. Petrucci likes to raise that 240 slider up a lot, that's what gives him that tighter tone he likes.

  • @Synth2000
    @Synth2000 7 лет назад +6

    Both sound great, Mark V sounds a little more compressed, i personally prefer IIC+.

  • @ironz18
    @ironz18 10 лет назад +1

    Yeah,the Mark V has a little more bite which is great cause the people that usually end up playing through the IIC+ wanna get extra sizzle going without being fuzzy,which the Mark V does exactly.

  • @elektrodenio
    @elektrodenio 9 лет назад +4

    +1 for Mark IIC+ !

  • @TheIronWord
    @TheIronWord 6 лет назад +1

    That is real fucking close, great job!

  • @mesaboogie
    @mesaboogie  9 лет назад

    Hi +Gabriel Martins - There are a number of options for using the external switch jacks on the back of the Mark V with a MIDI inteface device. The RJM Amp Gizmo is one such device that will convert the 1/4" switch jacks to respond to your MIDI messages. We love MIDI too but LOTS (Most) of folks don't use it and it does increase the cost. That said, lots of great stuff in the works all the time so stay tuned and thanks for the comment!

  • @guitarguru186
    @guitarguru186 6 лет назад +1

    Quick comparison timestamps
    2:48 vs 3:21 (IIC+ - V)
    4:07 vs 4:47 (IIC+ - V)

  • @StayFreshMyFriends
    @StayFreshMyFriends 8 лет назад +3

    I would love to see a comparison of John's Signature JP-2C amp with the Mark V!
    Please!

  • @RodHammett95
    @RodHammett95 10 лет назад +13

    Mark V is just a little bit (just a little) clearer and tighter, but the Mark IIC+ sounds a little heavier and has more "life" (I don't know how to call it haha). For me Mark IIC+ > Mark V > Everything else.

  • @5150forevermore
    @5150forevermore Месяц назад

    I have a C+. One thing that the Mark V doesnt have. A very crucial quality. The FEEL of a C+

  • @MultiThrashed
    @MultiThrashed 9 лет назад +1

    The differences sound subtle enough for this to be considered a reissue, The only slight difference I can hear is if you turned the bass up and the treble down on one and did the opposite in the other and vice versa.

  • @steveo4253
    @steveo4253 Год назад

    I'd like to see the Mark IV reissued with two IDENTICAL red channels a clean channel and two graphic eq's ! It would be flying off the shelf !

  • @XCenturionX
    @XCenturionX 7 лет назад +1

    I love the sound of both amps...

  • @56335130
    @56335130 9 лет назад +4

    John ! You just Say it's good ,and I just BUY BUY BUY

  • @jackhammer893
    @jackhammer893 7 лет назад +3

    I prefer the original C+ a tiny bit. Both are awesome though. The Mark V might be a more practical amp.

  • @VAL_HAL
    @VAL_HAL 10 лет назад +2

    Thank you MESA for doing a great job once again! Cool video! Both amps are "killing sound machines", but I like Mark V a little bit more in that video! Just my opinion :-) It'll be great, if you'll be doing more videos like this in future! Especially, with John!

  • @Turboy65
    @Turboy65 5 лет назад +1

    I think the Mark V has a clearer sounding bottom end. The difference isn't huge but it's there. However the IIC+ has a rawness to it that the V doesn't quite manage to pull off. The IIC+ is a pure beast from the darkest part of the woods. The V is also rather beastly but it's tamer, has had a bath and been to the groomers, and takes his kids to soccer practice twice a week in his SUV. Which is better? I'd take either and be happy with it.

  • @Gizzorge
    @Gizzorge 10 лет назад +1

    Two incredible tone machines right here! Mark V takes the win in a photo finish for the MK IIC+ battle. Comparing both amps as a whole......well no amp in the world beats a Mark V!!!!!

  • @Locoandchooch
    @Locoandchooch 7 лет назад +2

    The original sounds like the lows are more in your face, it definitely has the broots.🤘🏿

  • @vardazec9066
    @vardazec9066 10 лет назад

    The closed captions just killed me!So hilarious

  • @Eggheadvideoproduction
    @Eggheadvideoproduction 10 лет назад +4

    Please tell me when your gonna release the mini Cabs with Diamond plate on them!!!!! Take my money now!

  • @radkins80
    @radkins80 6 лет назад +1

    The Mark V on the iic+ mode sounds like you stuck a tube screamer in front of the old iic+. I like it!

  • @jgmopar
    @jgmopar 9 лет назад +1

    God i love the Mesa tone, just wish i could afford one. some day i will have one

  • @LovelyGuitars
    @LovelyGuitars 9 лет назад +3

    I prefer MARK IIC+ on this setting! ;-)

  • @kellymoon3406
    @kellymoon3406 4 года назад

    I have a Mark V and I love it. I think John is a rad player, but he turns the mids all the way down, the scoops them out on the EQ...I keep mids and I think it sounds so much better. Nice and thick, but still clear and sharp (It always sounds clear...even if you have it gained out and boosted). I guess it just goes to show how many cool tones are in this amp.

  • @michaelclavelli1409
    @michaelclavelli1409 10 лет назад

    We really need to be right there to hear the comparison with any accuracy.

  • @GiordanDrago
    @GiordanDrago 10 лет назад +1

    Now, the same thing with the Mark I and IV :D

  • @lhzx
    @lhzx 10 лет назад +3

    I don't get the negative comments about the V. In this vid the V sounds a bit scooped and trebly than the IIC+, but in the mix I'd say it will be almost indifferent (the extra high ends probably will give the V an edge regarding clearness). Anyways, the difference is not that big at all to justify the "sry but the IIC+ rulz over the V" comments. It's kinda like no gibson r8 will be the same as the original 58, but in no way it's an inferior guitar.

  • @endoffate5475
    @endoffate5475 8 лет назад +1

    That makes the Mark 5 the best amp ever.

  • @gfy937
    @gfy937 10 лет назад

    Obrigado João Patrício! Já percebemos tudo :)

  • @UglyBunnyJase
    @UglyBunnyJase 10 лет назад +1

    The V sounds really good but they should have modeled the channel on JP's IIC+... That said, the Mark IV mode should have been modeled after MY Mark IV. God, I love my Boogies!

  • @Fenghorn_Zob
    @Fenghorn_Zob 10 лет назад +1

    nice reference with the video length

  • @PedroMirandaGuitar
    @PedroMirandaGuitar 10 лет назад +5

    the Mark V sounds more focused, tighter, clearer and a little more compressed...i liked it more...
    the Mark IIC+ appears more floppier on the bass/mid low freq...

    • @nickwaters1701
      @nickwaters1701 5 лет назад

      More compressed means less dynamic.

    • @tomh4244
      @tomh4244 3 года назад

      @@nickwaters1701 Yes, and some people like it more.

  • @elimarsilvanikock7818
    @elimarsilvanikock7818 6 лет назад +1

    these amps have a very dark brutal sound!

  • @davidclark3603
    @davidclark3603 6 лет назад

    They both sound great!

  • @hadley101
    @hadley101 8 лет назад +2

    Wonder if part availability keeps a 2C+ reissue from happening. The Mark 5 has a close facsimile but not good enough, it doesn't feel the same and that's where the 2C+ shines. Sure most haven't had the chance to to use a 2c+ so how could they even compare the two. Reissue the 2C+

  • @tacoconch7678
    @tacoconch7678 5 лет назад +1

    @4:02 Mesa/Boogie cuts video to immediately hand him a check for reading that prescripted line.

  • @evolutionmb
    @evolutionmb 9 лет назад +2

    Mark V sounds better to me. Can't wait until I get the mini...!!!!
    Just played one at a local shop and wow that little guy kicks ass..

  • @mikewilky7288
    @mikewilky7288 6 лет назад +1

    The C+ has the same tone with more clarity and headroom Imo, but the V has that extra "kick your ass" punch.

  • @ericmeyer7629
    @ericmeyer7629 10 лет назад

    If you've got a Mark V, the only way to get the dynamics of the Mark V, to produce an accurate 2c+ tone, attack, and feel, is by using a boost pedal such as the Suhr, Koko Boost...

  • @aljohnson334
    @aljohnson334 2 года назад

    I just bought a Mark V 35 like a week ago and I'm loving it. Hopefully I can get some cabs soon as they are currently backorderd everywhere. I'm running through 2 Orange ppc2x12s and it sounds okay i guess but not as good as it could

  • @Mojen_Marc_Music
    @Mojen_Marc_Music 10 лет назад +3

    Great tone... One question. Why isn't there a mic infront of the cab that's actually under the MK IIC+?

    • @mesaboogie
      @mesaboogie  10 лет назад +8

      Hi Marc Taylor - We used the same cab for both amps and switched them via a cab switcher. This maintained both the cab and speakers in use as well as the mic placement so the comparison was as consistent as possible with each amp. Same cab= one less variable in the comparison! Thanks.

  • @guitartonefreaks
    @guitartonefreaks 10 лет назад +7

    Why was the Mark III sound not included in the Mark V?
    The IIC+ sounds bigger than the Mark V in this video.

    • @AnchovyRun
      @AnchovyRun 10 лет назад

      I'd say its because its not as famous as the IIC+ and the IV

    • @guitartonefreaks
      @guitartonefreaks 10 лет назад

      hmm, but at the same time, the MK III heads made a lot of buzz in the guitar community when it came out. Maybe the MK III is relatively the same as MK IV ?

    • @mesiebooga
      @mesiebooga 10 лет назад +2

      Too many different variations I'd imagine. The 5 different stripes sound different enough that you could make a whole Mark VI just off the different stripes.

    • @guitartonefreaks
      @guitartonefreaks 10 лет назад

      Rusty Shackleford ahh, that's very good insight. I didn't think about the stripes. Didn't know the different stripes would make such a difference. I have the red stripe MK III, have been using it since the late 80s, and it still sounds pretty good. Maybe I should try the Mark V.. looks very complicated.

    • @AnchovyRun
      @AnchovyRun 10 лет назад

      GuitarToneFreaks Its really simple actually. All three channels are set up almost exactly the same way so once you're comfortably with one you're pretty much set with the others!

  • @endezeichengrimm
    @endezeichengrimm 10 лет назад +1

    When are you making a Mini Mark?
    I only need the Bold Tweed Clean and the bright Mark 4. Just 2 channels! Come on!

  • @Mainelyoffgrid
    @Mainelyoffgrid 4 года назад

    the sound of that mark 2 c was monstrous. damn you mesa boogie. just take my credit card already

  • @Jaso0n1986
    @Jaso0n1986 9 лет назад +1

    Good comparison! But I think for this one I would of ran both heads through either the a 2-12 cab or just a single cab not a single and a 2-12. Kinda has a different sound from the 212 over the 112. But still amazing.

  • @satinwhip
    @satinwhip 3 года назад

    Owned and gigged with a IIC+ in the late 80s to early 90s. This one sounds very reminiscent of mine. That said, in this video I preferred the Mark V. Better definition. The IIC+ was just like mine. Heavy and it sounded really good if you didn't minding that hint of mushiness that you just couldn't dial out without losing the core tone. Liked the Boogie but never really bonded with it. Went back to Marshall style amps.

  • @phallystorm
    @phallystorm 9 лет назад +1

    I just bought a Used Mark V Combo in Mint condition. Totally Psyched , and cannot wait for it to arrive. I heard they will retrofit into a head shell from MESA. Just wondering where I can get one? I already have a few Recto 4 x 12 cabs, and cannot wait to spend hours, and hours of tone tweaking. I play everything from Outlaws, Skynryd, Allman brothers all the way up to Metallica,OZZY, and Scorpion. Love Boogie/ John is amazing too. He has some great phrasing, and picking techniques.

    • @mesaboogie
      @mesaboogie  9 лет назад

      Hiphallystorm - If you are looking for a Mark V head cabinet and you are in the USA, contact Mesa directly or your local dealer and you can order one up! Enjoy the amp!

  • @JVMultiProds
    @JVMultiProds 10 лет назад +1

    I liked the sound of the V more because it sounded fuller.

  • @endtimeguitarist
    @endtimeguitarist 5 лет назад

    The mark v sounds fantastic in person. In this demo though the c-plus totally dominates in subtle ways. It just sounds much more vibrant and juicy. You can hear how on an album it would make a huge difference and be the difference between wide selling song versus just another stereotypical metal song. People would listen to the c plus. Try the mark v out in person and don’t go by the online review. I would like one.

  • @regularjack2
    @regularjack2 9 лет назад +12

    Mesa have one problem, the fucking price

    • @sergios4214
      @sergios4214 9 лет назад +1

      Jackson Price the bigger the amp, the cheaper it is... ish, i think the cheaper once are overpreiced, but the mark v and the rectos are ok priced, made in the US, top of the line materials, cant go wrong

    • @regularjack2
      @regularjack2 9 лет назад +1

      sergio doto 5 grand for a head is too much in my opinion

    • @sergios4214
      @sergios4214 9 лет назад +7

      LOL mesa Mark V is $2249 dolars man

    • @regularjack2
      @regularjack2 9 лет назад +1

      sergio doto Not in Australia

    • @sergios4214
      @sergios4214 9 лет назад

      FeelsBadMan , if thats the case, isnt shipping cheaper if you order it from another country instead of buying it from that retailer? tbh 5k is too much even if its in australian currency

  • @codecow1177
    @codecow1177 10 лет назад +1

    I think it sounds pretty damn close, good job Mesa! Want to buy one that you can switch down to 1W or 5W.

  • @christiandinero8083
    @christiandinero8083 9 лет назад +3

    will you release c+'s again please mesa!! Im in need of a new amp and this is one I want to buy

    • @Donald_Trumpin_onem
      @Donald_Trumpin_onem 8 лет назад

      +Christian Dinero Just buy one used.

    • @christiandinero8083
      @christiandinero8083 8 лет назад

      +wxp24 I can't find them anywhere and where I can they are all asking for like 3k

  • @thrasher10000
    @thrasher10000 9 лет назад +1

    Actually preferred the V, well done. Not sure if they would be able to get the IV mode to sound identical to the original though :P

  • @givemeajackson
    @givemeajackson 10 лет назад +6

    prefer the mk v here, a bit more mids and clarity

  • @Nsypski
    @Nsypski 6 лет назад +1

    The five sounds thin compared to the C+ to me. Especially on individual notes. The C+ has more 'character' noise if that makes sense and the five is too clean in between notes. They both sound really good though and i'd kill for either amp.

  • @JazzzRockFuzion
    @JazzzRockFuzion 10 лет назад +1

    To my ears, the Mark V sounds tighter and more focused. Both sound great, though!

  • @hollow3122
    @hollow3122 5 лет назад +1

    It is the same IMO. But Mark V for me for all the extra options.

  • @kerrymoore5146
    @kerrymoore5146 10 лет назад +1

    The CII+ sounds fatter and warmer when john plays the chords, but I prefer the mark v for the single notes. Both very nice though :)

  • @ashleyjackson8538
    @ashleyjackson8538 11 месяцев назад

    The JP amp looks like it’s going to launch you into space .