Star Trek: Hey fans! How do you think Captain Kirk should die? Fans: He's a Captain, he should die on the bridge. Star Trek: 'Makes movie' Fans: ...That's not what we meant.
@@Cookberg It's a reference to Mike Stoklasa from RedLetterMedia. He's a huge fan of Star Trek and often makes references to it, to the point that it's become a running gag.
Could have had Kirk die on the bridge of the Enterprise-D. Everyone gets out, but someone has to stay behind for a reason. Kirk tells Picard that he should live, and that he himself wants to die on the bridge of an Enterprise. Feels like it would have been a more poetic ending than what we got.
Re-watched it recently - it's still quite jarring to go from the destruction of the drive section of the D to muted casual conversation on the planet. Huge moment - then conversation and old man punching.
Make it an unwinnable situation like the infamous no win Kobayashi Maru scenario. Have Kirk say he should stay behind on the Enterprise because he is the only one to ever beat an unwinnable situation. As Picard goes to leave. Kirk yells at Picard to remember the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Of course Kirk knows he can't survive. Since he originally cheated in the Kobayashi Maru scenario.
Sometimes I get recommended older videos, and when it gets to the trivia section I can’t turn off the alert in my brain that’s anticipating the Blue Harvest gag. Thanks guys.
"luckily he died." That scored a laugh and a like from me, maybe for all the wrong reasons. "The movie wasn't very good and Gene Roddenberry said the main idea of Kirk and Picard meeting wasn't sensible... luckily he died!"
Somebody has got to say it, so I shall. After all the times it ended with the Captain on the Bridge, Star Trek: Generations ended with the Bridge on the Captain. I feel Generations could have benefited from a big re-write, but had great effects and a terrific score.
The problem I had with the TNG films, was Picard went from being the commander of his crew to the guy that did everything, it was such a move away from his character and every story revolved around him. I think Picard was one of the best Captains as he was not quick to let his emotions take over, was good at relying on his crew to do their jobs, but in the film's his character only saw himself. Outside of Date installing his emotion chip in the first film, having a weird sexual scene in the 2nd film, and Riker and Troi having a wierd rapey/love triangle with the Reman adviser in the 3rd. No other character had much storytime or scenes.
I know some fans dislike "action man" Picard, but I think it's fine, and the best approach for a movie (as opposed to episodic TV show). As for the others, I could have done with less (or zero) Crusher and more Worf, but otherwise the balance was right. I think most of Generations' plot problems could have been fixed by replacing Guinan with Spock.
I like Generations. A bit actually. The score was really good. A few things don’t makes sense, like how quickly a missile could get to a star. But I can forgive it
I absolutely love the Shatnerverse! The number of things from Star Trek lore they work in and tie together, like Galans Ancesteral species, the Preservers and the 1st Federation. It's all pure genius. Also connecting "V-ger" to the Borg was a cool idea too. And having the Borg home planet destroyed by flipping the breaker Switch on it and having that be Kirk's way of going out (except he survives this too) was epic.
And it wouldn't surprise me if he was already wearing a uniform. "oh thanks for wearing a uniform, Bill" Bill : "Oh...yes... I totally meant to do that for the film and not as some kind of fetish"
I have never made a comment on a youtube video before (that i can recollect), however, the Big reverence when james says 'I dont get it" made me scream out loud with excitement. very, very well done.
Maso nearly had it right with the Shatnerverse. The Borg do bring Kirk back to assassinate Picard but it's in cahoots with the Romulans who hated Kirk so it was the sworn enemy of Kirk using him to assassinate the sworn enemy of the Borg. However his sheer willpower overcomes Borg nanoprobes and freedom prevails because... Shatner? Yeah I'm the friend who gets beat up for knowing too much about Star Trek :(
Yes, it's also revealed that the planet V'ger got its upgrade (the planet of machines) was the Borg homeworld. So Spock was technically also a Borg since V'ger traces were left in his mind from ST: The Motion Picture.
Kirk's whole death and ending always left me feeling cold. He died on an insignificant rock in the middle of nowhere. And then buried under a pile of rocks and left there. This was Captain James Tiberius Kirk. This was Starfleet's Nelson. He should have been at least returned home and buried in full honours. Instead, he was just left behind and forgotten about.
Naw, I thought it was the real meaning for Kirk. He did die on insignificant rock in the middle of nowhere because he'd rather risk his life to help others. No glory or medals. He did that for Spock and he'll always do it. It was because he was legit to the core.
I think we can assume he got a big funeral when he "died" at the beginning of the movie. Picard just didn't bring back the body and make people give him a 2nd funeral 80 years after everyone thought he died. (Don't get me wrong, it's still weird Picard left him under a pile of rocks, I'm just saying, a funeral doubtless did happen.)
There are definitely moments in Generations that I enjoy. Data crying over finding Spot will always get me. But my favorite Star Trek will always be First Contact. Just, Picard freaking out at the end is fantastic. "NOOO!! The line must be drawn here! No further!"
@@davidrich27 I adore that they reference RLM so much. And imagine my delight as I see a pizza roll flash across the screen while shoving a pizza roll into my face. Perfection.
@@davidrich27 I was just sitting there thinking about the grass breaking noise when Picard threw down his kurlan esqwhatever priceless artifact thing at the end, going "did they come up as the same joke as Plinkett?" and then suddenly....
6:05 Was listening to this in the background; my ears perked up; and I replayed it, desperately hoping for Max Zorin to flash onto the screen for a split second. :)
This is one of my favourite Star Trek movies tbh, I love Captain Kirk, yh I wasn't too happy about how he 'died' but the music was awesome and the comedy was cheesy as it should be.
@@SpreadingtheMuse no it was never supposed to be it is very serious with very important themes about life which is why it's so good but it came across as cheesy in the humour side which is apart of its charm
@@jordangriff2341 "Cheesy" is a very undefined term. The only times it tried to be deliberately funny (the Tribble episode for example) were actually very smart.
It’s the prettiest looking TNG movie. The cinematography was done by the guy who done China Town. All the other TNG movies look like the TV show. Even the new Picard show has better cinematography than most of the TNG movies.
i really like Data's whole story arc during this movie. After he fails to help Geordie during the fight scene he's conflicted on his feelings of beign paralyzed with fear. Brent Spiner does a great job selling it during that scene where Picard is trying to snap him out of it,
This was the only movie I have ever watched where I didn’t see a trailer for. It wasn’t too bad. Also the Nexus ribbon lets you have anything you want. So when they wanted to exit the ribbon a few minutes early, that was all part of the ribbon experience. Picard and Kirk are still in the ribbon. Picard is now an old man with his own terrible show in the ribbon.
To answer your question, yes I'm a fan of the Original Series (re-runs) and Next Generation (I was a little older than Wesley Crusher as it was airing). I liked all of the movies from 1 - 9, wasn't crazy about Nemesis, didn't mind the reboot films. I mostly enjoyed Generations. As someone who watched the series regularly it was a great continuation of those characters. I enjoyed the early stuff with Kirk, Scotty and Chekov on the bridge of Enterprise B.... "it's being installed Tuesday" and other great lines. I always thought that they should have taken those actors and spun that off into a series after Kirk "dies" from the ribbon. In that timeline they could have continued to have cameos from TOS actors and Sulu could have been in the supporting cast as he was Captain of the Excelsior at that time. The one thing I didn't like about this movie was the lighting they used on the Enterprise bridge and Ten Forward. It was all to do with the fact that they were getting one last use of the sets from the television show and they wouldn't look good on the big screen, so they used a darker color palette and blamed it on the fact that they were observing this star. The weird orange glow was annoying but on rewatches on the small screen it didn't bother me as much. This is a permanent fixture on my Christmas watch list due to the scene in the Nexus with Picard's "wife, kids and nephew." The nephew was the only one that existed in his reality, the rest was just a fantasy. I also didn't like that re-cast his nephew, should have used the same actor that was on one episode of the TV series.
Met Malcolm McDowell at a convention a few years back. Being the Trek idiot that I am, I (VERY hilariously) bring along my copy of Generations for him to sign. He audibly sighed when he saw the DVD. I asked if he could sign something along the lines of "To Kevin, sorry I killed your boy Captain Kirk". He angrily told me he would do no such thing and that he actually did the world "a favor" by killing Kirk, scribbled his name upside down on the DVD, threw it down on the table and shouted "NEXT!" and moved me along.
The beginning of the film is the best part of the movie, and is really a commentary on TOS vs. TNG. If you watch, the Captain of the Enterprise-B keeps trying to think his way into a solution (complete with technobabble), which is a hallmark of TNG. Kirk is a man of action, the simplest solution is the correct one, move in and beam the people aboard - the scene is a fitting sendoff for Kirk, since after it he’s ‘dead.’
I still enjoy watching the movie from time to time (one of my favorites as a kid). But it's become quite funny / silly now how the villain Soran had to destroy 2 stars just to enter the Nexus ( rather than fly a ship towards it). Captain Kirk also never got to see newer Enterprise and it's crew aside from his not so exciting encounter with Picard. So much missed potential with this movie.
@@mr.sinjin-smyth Uhura nor Chekov were on the show although Chekov was in Generations. The only TOS characters that were on TNG were: Spock, Sarek, Scotty, McCoy.
Studa Baker They explain that any ship that got close was destroyed, but he Soren shouldn’t care about that. He’s trying to stay forever. Just get a shuttle and fly yourself into it
I like Generations more today than I did back when it was new. I remember going to this movie with my mother, also a fan. And just being so bored. The ‘epic’ meeting of the captains is still lackluster but the crash landing of the Enterprise was just so amazing. I forgot just how long that was.
One of the dumbest things about it is that anyone could think for about five minutes and shred the entire plot. "Wait, why didn't he just take a ship to where the ribbon was going to be? That's how he got on the ribbon in the first place, and how Kirk did. If he was somehow worried about getting blow up in the ship right before it, he could have just went out the airlock in a spacesuit. Why did he have to blow up a sun to alter the ribbons course if he knew where it was going?"
I remember liking this movie as a kid, but literally even when I was a kid it was soured because I didn't understand why they wouldn't just go back more. It's mentioned in the RLM review too, and if it was otherwise an incredible movie except for this plot hole, then it wouldn't be a big deal, but it's a very meh movie with gaping plot holes too. They mention Picard's family burning to death out of just about nowhere, it's not earned, and then they play on that unearned thing in the nexus and I guess it never occurs to Picard that he could also go back before that and stop that along with Saron. Watching it now, it's a very frustratingly dumb movie, and that's compounded by the fact that it's the very first TNG movie, Kirk's last movie, and a very complex/busy movie for how dumb it is. I feel like people get crap for harping on plot holes, as if they just can't enjoy things, but that's only true to an extent and even less applicable in hardish sci fi like Trek.
Something about ships always get torn up before they can get in, which is weird because the two times we've seen people go into it before they were both on ships.
I know it was a quick moment 1:04 but...am I the only one who really enjoyed into darkness? I feel like it gets unnecessary hate sometimes, it seems like a fine film, even when critics point certain moments out I still don't see the issue.
I love this movie, but... *the stupidest premise within it is:* dude knows where the nexus currently is, and knows where the nexus is traveling to, yet... in a universe filled with easily obtainable vehicles capable of space travel (like a shuttle craft), it somehow makes more sense to destroy an entire solar system, in order to change the magic space ribbon's trajectory to where you are standing on the ground, *rather than jumping in your basic Hertz rent-a-shuttle, and just flying there.* -- I guess he didn't want the non-return of the shuttle showing up on his credit report?
@@QuantumParticle - Wait... doesn't the planet, that Captain Picard and Malcom McDowell's character are on, literally EXPLODE when the nexus hits it? In addition to that, when Captain Kirk is first taken by the Nexus... he's ON A STARSHIP. A starship that doesn't explode.
Woah, I was literally watching this movie last night! Way to give the audience what they want! I’m a bit bummed you didn’t go into the Data/emotion chip silliness, but I understand the Kirk and Picard is definitely more interesting. I’d love to see you do Star Trek 5 next, the fact that Shatner directed that one makes it so much funnier. Honestly though, if you just wanted to cover some crappy old TV episodes I’d be very happy with that too. I’m sure the animated series is rife with material!
We worked in a movie theater when Trek V was out. And by week 3-4 when we had empty shows, my friend Randy used to crack me up by standing in front of the screen and acting like he was making the shuttle craft from Nimbus 3 back to the Enterprise move along the screen with his hands. Don't if ILM could have even saved this film. But I love my Trek.
ST5 was a missed opportunity. I think the biggest problem was that the previous movie was a comedy, and was a massive hit, so they tried to force the next movie to be a comedy even though it was a much more serious story.
“I bet that if I ran fast enough I could hit a wall” - in one of the Shatner-written spin-off novels, that’s how Kirk escapes being trapped in a holodeck I think.
I have to disagree. It has a strong start, but gets progressively worse. Wrath of Khan is iconic, but honestly I feel the TNG movies were better made, overall.
Just saw the Shat live in Dublin the other day. He said he told Patrick Stewart to wear the stockings for horseriding, but that he walked out of the trailer with them over his trousers. Bill says a lot of things. Doubt it happened. Funny mental image though.
Movie exec: "alright let's make the credits. Let's see, there was Picard, Riker, Data, Geordi..." Intern: "shouldn't it be LaForge? I mean, if you're gonna list them by last name..." Movie exec: "ur fired"
Star Trek : Generations is one of my all-time personal favorite ST movies. smh I basically feel like the only one who feels this way. Yes, it's not perfect. Yes, there are things you can nitpick. But it's actually a great ST movie. I've defended this movie before, and I really don't feel like typing out all of my counters to the criticisms. Fuck it, here are some: Kirk went out a hero saving many millions of lives. The Nexus was a brilliant idea to get the 2 captains together. BTW, it was *too risky* to fly a ship into it. Please stop repeating the stupidity surrounding this. The scenes with Kirk and Picard were very good. The emotional trials of Kirk, Picard and Data were great. I love Soran's *motivation* for what he's doing. It's great! The scenes of Data dealing with his emotions were great. The Enterprise crash scene was very good. The music is very good. The whole ship and crew were *saved* by the random fluke of Picard being on the planet when the Nexus hit. Again, it wasn't Shakespeare, it wasn't the best. But it was very good to me. And people seriously need to get over the death of Kirk.
I like Generations a lot too. It's a good-looking movie. The music and the Enterprise D interiors are great. Most of the minor characters feel well used. I think the plot holes could all have been fixed by replacing the Guinan character with Spock, so I always regret they didn't do that. Generations and Nemesis are probably my favorite ST movies to rewatch. (I feel First Contact is overrated, because most of the Borg stuff is a bit dull. The earlier movies are good, but I prefer the original series.)
@@ThreadBomb First Contact is the best TNG movie, hands down IMO. Again, great music. The soundtrack basically captures the hope and heart of Star Trek! Naturally, it is nitpick-able (example: Picard walking off by himself to confront the Borg at the end). FC has so much heart, and the humor is great (again 8-) ) Zephram Cochrane was good, and we got the BEST Enterprise is all of ST , IMO. We also got the new grey-shoulder uniforms. Somewhat ironically I felt let down by FC walking out of the theater. But it grew on me after a couple of years! Yeah, there should have been more battles with Starfleet getting beat by the Borg, THEN the time travelling should have started. But to each his own, I guess.
My experience with this movie is that my parents rented it when I was a teen, or possibly a tween. I was out with my friends, and I came home to find my dad asleep on the couch while my mom was still awake watching it. I came home in time to watch the climax. (I had watched a fair number of episodes of TNG, but never anything from the OG series.) Then the next day, I was there when my mom was giving my dad a recap of what he missed. I feel like that’s pretty much all I need.
I loved the movie, and had already enjoyed the send off of the original crew in ST VI, so this was all about the launching of the next gen’s movies, with a bit of the old crew as a bonus. That how I saw it anyway, which was why it worked for me. I remember a reviewer (Tony Parsons on BBC Radio 4) saying, “I can easily see someone sticking their nut in Picard’s face, especially the nutter from A Clockwork Orange, so they needed Kirk to kick this guy’s arse.” So, if you are really seeing it as the first Next Gen Movie, and, like me, had avoided all spoilers, it was actually a magical experience! Not just to get a team up with Kirk at all, but other members of the crew too. Great video, as ever ✌️👍
You guys should watch Star Trek: The Motion Picture. But I'm one of the few (I guess?) who really likes it. The beginning is a bit too long of a getting the gang back together thing, but otherwise, it's a really interesting Star Trek. Then again, I also think the notion that only the even numbered films are good is nonsense. The third one isn't too bad either, not as good as Wrath of Khan of course and not as fun as Voyage Home but not that bad. And really, all the Next Gen movies aren't very good, even First Contact, which I know everyone seems to love, but it's just a pretty bad action movie that poorly portrays how characters were from the series. Picard feels like a completely different person in it. Some of the stuff in the past with Cochrane isn't bad but the rest of the movie is pretty poor.
Many like it, it is just too long in places due to not being edited properly which cripples the pacing but it is still a decent and in places very artistic science fiction film.
The movie itself isn't bad ( I don't even consider it slow) but a lot of the dialog delivery is awkward. They should have done a few more takes. It feels like most of the cast except the Pedo who played Dekkard (he acted the hell out of every scene) really didn't feel comfortable for most of the movie.
YES. Make James watch the first Star Trek movie. It's actually really good if you accept the idea that there's no action. V-ger and the way it ends, ties it all together. It's great.
THE NUMBER OF REFERENCES BEN MANAGES TO EDIT INTO THIS ONE - really heightens the experience tbh. the bo burnham one and the big references were seamless, damn
My dad took me to see this for my 8th birthday when it came out. I was a huge TOS/TNG/DS9 fan and we watched them together all the time. Wasn't really enjoying the film, didn't quite understand what was going on. Suddenly the Enterprise's stardrive section blew up and the saucer crashed. Then Kirk died. I left the theatre in tears.
Heh. I rewatched this movie with commentary by the screenwriters just a couple nights ago. They're pretty upfront about why & how it didn't work, so it's a good listen.
@@ThreadBomb Yeah. And they wrote the finale in like three weeks while they went back & forth on the movie for a year & a half with all sorts of producers, actors, & execs. It really shows that you generally just get better results when you just hire good people & then get out of their way.
I actually think this is one of my favourite startrek movies, I think the sfx are some of the best, the start of the movie sfx is pretty awesome with the ribbon.
It was weird killing Kirk like that since Kirk in another film (Star Trek 5 I bieve) said he knew he would die alone. Yet they killed him off & Picard was there. Odd
Also -- check out the Beverly-falls-into-water scene -- Worf (or his stunt double) is climbing back up the ship, and you can see red blotches on his uniform knees, either blood or wet paint from the hull?
I've never really agreed with the 'even numbered film' thing. I'll go to war over Star Trek III - kickass adventure that neatly follows on from Wrath of Khan and leads into Voyage Home. Christopher Lloyd as a Klingon is fantastic and Kirk stealing the Enterprise is badass. Its only real crime is that it's just not QUITE as brilliant as II or IV which are both among the best of the series. All the TOS films are good. Motion Picture is an underrated sci-fi feast and Undiscovered Country is often argued to be even better than Wrath of Khan. Final Frontier is the only real stinker and even that has some wonderful character moments.
Star Trek: Hey fans! How do you think Captain Kirk should die?
Fans: He's a Captain, he should die on the bridge.
Star Trek: 'Makes movie'
Fans: ...That's not what we meant.
Callum Drummond Honestly it had been established forever that Kirk would die alone, personally I’m not sure why everyone was shocked.
The idiots of TNG hated Kirk and got rid of him in their way .
Lol yeah maybe it wasn't lame, maybe it was really clever satire haha
wtf was they a real conversation
I was lividly pissed that Captain Kirk died on a literal bridge.
Luke Skywalker had a more dignified death scene (both Disney Canon and old).
This reminds me of that one episode of Star Trek.
Mike?
I approve your username
I don’t know what episode you’re talking about, but since you are X it’s fine
@@Cookberg It's a reference to Mike Stoklasa from RedLetterMedia. He's a huge fan of Star Trek and often makes references to it, to the point that it's become a running gag.
I clapped!
@@MegaManXPoweredUp Ah, a true person of culture i see. Well done
Could have had Kirk die on the bridge of the Enterprise-D. Everyone gets out, but someone has to stay behind for a reason. Kirk tells Picard that he should live, and that he himself wants to die on the bridge of an Enterprise. Feels like it would have been a more poetic ending than what we got.
Re-watched it recently - it's still quite jarring to go from the destruction of the drive section of the D to muted casual conversation on the planet. Huge moment - then conversation and old man punching.
Ooh. That would've been heroes exit!
Make it an unwinnable situation like the infamous no win Kobayashi Maru scenario. Have Kirk say he should stay behind on the Enterprise because he is the only one to ever beat an unwinnable situation. As Picard goes to leave. Kirk yells at Picard to remember the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Of course Kirk knows he can't survive. Since he originally cheated in the Kobayashi Maru scenario.
This comment thread made me hate this movie
The perfect ending was already in Star Trek VI.
Sometimes I get recommended older videos, and when it gets to the trivia section I can’t turn off the alert in my brain that’s anticipating the Blue Harvest gag. Thanks guys.
Rodney!
Maybe the real trivia was the blue harvest we made along the way
"luckily he died." That scored a laugh and a like from me, maybe for all the wrong reasons.
"The movie wasn't very good and Gene Roddenberry said the main idea of Kirk and Picard meeting wasn't sensible... luckily he died!"
Just laugh so hard and I shouldn't haha
The TNG theme underneath 🤣
I often like these videos. This comment made me double check.
You got them a like.
Jobs done!
I actually LOLed too, but Gene was right. It didn't work.
Gallows humor.
2:34 "one of the guys from from Spin City" I forgot Cameron from ferris buellers day off was in that show
CORRECT!
I remember him most from Speed but I have no idea why.
Alan Ruck
@@tskmaster3837 That's just cameron grown up trying to live his live after Ferris died of Syphillis.
@@thisisnotme33 how. dare you.
Captain Kirk should have died on a crashing Enterprise, screaming like Tom Cruise in the dark universe.
I always thought he should have flown the Enterprise into the sun. Like, almost literally riding off into the sunset.
That edit of Data saying “correction blown out”... was some Jedi master level recall and editing on the part of the bloke in Canada.
Somebody has got to say it, so I shall.
After all the times it ended with the Captain on the Bridge, Star Trek: Generations ended with the Bridge on the Captain.
I feel Generations could have benefited from a big re-write, but had great effects and a terrific score.
The problem I had with the TNG films, was Picard went from being the commander of his crew to the guy that did everything, it was such a move away from his character and every story revolved around him. I think Picard was one of the best Captains as he was not quick to let his emotions take over, was good at relying on his crew to do their jobs, but in the film's his character only saw himself. Outside of Date installing his emotion chip in the first film, having a weird sexual scene in the 2nd film, and Riker and Troi having a wierd rapey/love triangle with the Reman adviser in the 3rd. No other character had much storytime or scenes.
I know some fans dislike "action man" Picard, but I think it's fine, and the best approach for a movie (as opposed to episodic TV show). As for the others, I could have done with less (or zero) Crusher and more Worf, but otherwise the balance was right.
I think most of Generations' plot problems could have been fixed by replacing Guinan with Spock.
Cailean Thomson shut up and take a shower sweaty redditor
I like Generations. A bit actually. The score was really good. A few things don’t makes sense, like how quickly a missile could get to a star. But I can forgive it
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I absolutely love the Shatnerverse! The number of things from Star Trek lore they work in and tie together, like Galans Ancesteral species, the Preservers and the 1st Federation. It's all pure genius. Also connecting "V-ger" to the Borg was a cool idea too. And having the Borg home planet destroyed by flipping the breaker Switch on it and having that be Kirk's way of going out (except he survives this too) was epic.
5:14
Fun fact, that nexus scene was filmed at Shatner's house. Really.
That explains why he's so good at log splitting.
@@spaceslav8954 That was probably Shatner's actual wood splitting stump then! Fascinating.
And it wouldn't surprise me if he was already wearing a uniform.
"oh thanks for wearing a uniform, Bill"
Bill : "Oh...yes... I totally meant to do that for the film and not as some kind of fetish"
The horses were Shatner's too, and rest assured he charged the production a pretty penny for the use of his ranch and animals.
The narcissism of that is at a Shatner level :/
I have never made a comment on a youtube video before (that i can recollect), however, the Big reverence when james says 'I dont get it" made me scream out loud with excitement. very, very well done.
welcome to the worst place on the internet, RUclips comment sections lol
@@magneto44 I think that's the Yahoo comment section.
Maso nearly had it right with the Shatnerverse.
The Borg do bring Kirk back to assassinate Picard but it's in cahoots with the Romulans who hated Kirk so it was the sworn enemy of Kirk using him to assassinate the sworn enemy of the Borg.
However his sheer willpower overcomes Borg nanoprobes and freedom prevails because... Shatner?
Yeah I'm the friend who gets beat up for knowing too much about Star Trek :(
Rapturous Rich the book wasn’t too bad
didn't you know Kirk's blood had a fisticuffs with the borg nanoprobes and they were left feeling wanting!
Wow, that does sound like something Shattner would come up with.
Yes, it's also revealed that the planet V'ger got its upgrade (the planet of machines) was the Borg homeworld. So Spock was technically also a Borg since V'ger traces were left in his mind from ST: The Motion Picture.
@@Yo_DynamoJoe Pretty much any idea is better than the queen, but I do like this one.
That intro music means one thing and one thing only: time for a bong hit
Kirk's whole death and ending always left me feeling cold.
He died on an insignificant rock in the
middle of nowhere. And then buried under a pile of rocks and left there.
This was Captain James Tiberius Kirk. This was Starfleet's Nelson. He should have been at least returned home and buried in full honours. Instead, he was just left behind and forgotten about.
Naw, I thought it was the real meaning for Kirk. He did die on insignificant rock in the middle of nowhere because he'd rather risk his life to help others. No glory or medals. He did that for Spock and he'll always do it. It was because he was legit to the core.
That is until the local wildlife gets ahold of his decomposing corpse.
@@casinoroyalewcheese Yeeeaahhh ... Kirk *definitely* became Bantha poodoo
I think we can assume he got a big funeral when he "died" at the beginning of the movie. Picard just didn't bring back the body and make people give him a 2nd funeral 80 years after everyone thought he died. (Don't get me wrong, it's still weird Picard left him under a pile of rocks, I'm just saying, a funeral doubtless did happen.)
The podcast "I Just Want to Talk About Star Trek" has an outstanding deep dive on this movie (and all the other ST movies). It's worth checking out
Maybe I'll check that out, but I'm already listening to like half a dozen Star Trek podcasts...
"Should we go through all the TNG films?"
TNG ended with All Good Things....LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LA LA LA
7:58 this editing detail gets me every time
That was pretty good.
I had to "rewind" it to make sure I wasn't imagining things.
There are definitely moments in Generations that I enjoy. Data crying over finding Spot will always get me. But my favorite Star Trek will always be First Contact. Just, Picard freaking out at the end is fantastic. "NOOO!! The line must be drawn here! No further!"
That ending, I know what that is! And so I clapped!
IT BROKE NEW GROUND!
me personally? i loved it
Me personally? I have no understanding what happened
Blazing Saddles, right?
Is Picard replacing Kirk?
1:15 What webzone do I e-mail to get my hands on that pizza roll?
Josh I
That Mr. Plinkett reference sorta came out of nowhere, huh?
@@davidrich27 I adore that they reference RLM so much.
And imagine my delight as I see a pizza roll flash across the screen while shoving a pizza roll into my face. Perfection.
@@davidrich27 I was just sitting there thinking about the grass breaking noise when Picard threw down his kurlan esqwhatever priceless artifact thing at the end, going "did they come up as the same joke as Plinkett?" and then suddenly....
@@HOTD108_ You got any BAGELLLLLLLS?
6:05 Was listening to this in the background; my ears perked up; and I replayed it, desperately hoping for Max Zorin to flash onto the screen for a split second. :)
What a view.
Tricked me with the outro music. 😈
Stuart Bagley
I clapped when I heard it
@@Mythonaut AT-STs!
@@Mythonaut IT BROKE NEW GROUND!
This was borderline experimental.
Kudos for adding that mini ‘kirk-with-the-ladies’ montage.
This is one of my favourite Star Trek movies tbh, I love Captain Kirk, yh I wasn't too happy about how he 'died' but the music was awesome and the comedy was cheesy as it should be.
Star Trek was never supposed to be "cheesy." It took itself very seriously.
@@SpreadingtheMuse no it was never supposed to be it is very serious with very important themes about life which is why it's so good but it came across as cheesy in the humour side which is apart of its charm
@@jordangriff2341 "Cheesy" is a very undefined term. The only times it tried to be deliberately funny (the Tribble episode for example) were actually very smart.
@@SpreadingtheMuse this is true guess its all about who watches it either way I love star trek deliberate or not
7:56 Perfect editing! Picard yelling “Weeeeee” as he falls down.
That part when Kirk rides his horse? That's my favorite movie score theme hands down. Makes me feel hopeful every time and I rarely do.
It’s the prettiest looking TNG movie. The cinematography was done by the guy who done China Town. All the other TNG movies look like the TV show. Even the new Picard show has better cinematography than most of the TNG movies.
If you only watch one more Trek movie, make it Star Trek V.
Featuring classic dialogue like:
"What does God need with a starship?"
all my star trek knowledge comes from Badger and Skinny Pete, i just like these videos
i really like Data's whole story arc during this movie. After he fails to help Geordie during the fight scene he's conflicted on his feelings of beign paralyzed with fear. Brent Spiner does a great job selling it during that scene where Picard is trying to snap him out of it,
This was the only movie I have ever watched where I didn’t see a trailer for. It wasn’t too bad. Also the Nexus ribbon lets you have anything you want. So when they wanted to exit the ribbon a few minutes early, that was all part of the ribbon experience. Picard and Kirk are still in the ribbon. Picard is now an old man with his own terrible show in the ribbon.
To answer your question, yes I'm a fan of the Original Series (re-runs) and Next Generation (I was a little older than Wesley Crusher as it was airing). I liked all of the movies from 1 - 9, wasn't crazy about Nemesis, didn't mind the reboot films.
I mostly enjoyed Generations. As someone who watched the series regularly it was a great continuation of those characters. I enjoyed the early stuff with Kirk, Scotty and Chekov on the bridge of Enterprise B.... "it's being installed Tuesday" and other great lines. I always thought that they should have taken those actors and spun that off into a series after Kirk "dies" from the ribbon. In that timeline they could have continued to have cameos from TOS actors and Sulu could have been in the supporting cast as he was Captain of the Excelsior at that time.
The one thing I didn't like about this movie was the lighting they used on the Enterprise bridge and Ten Forward. It was all to do with the fact that they were getting one last use of the sets from the television show and they wouldn't look good on the big screen, so they used a darker color palette and blamed it on the fact that they were observing this star. The weird orange glow was annoying but on rewatches on the small screen it didn't bother me as much. This is a permanent fixture on my Christmas watch list due to the scene in the Nexus with Picard's "wife, kids and nephew." The nephew was the only one that existed in his reality, the rest was just a fantasy. I also didn't like that re-cast his nephew, should have used the same actor that was on one episode of the TV series.
The visual effects in this still hold up today, and most of them were done with models.
dreamlandnightmare agreed. Model work will always look better than CGI.
@@Justinarm25 always?
Isn’t the Enterprise B captain just Cameron from Ferris Buellers day off?
Imagine how many light years he had to go backwards before Admiral Kirk found out he went joy riding!
No he's also from spin city
He's also in Speed.
Yes, but the actor has done other stuff too. Give him credit for that too. He did just fine in Speed.
SpreadingtheMuse I’ll admit, could’ve phrased it better, but that’s just what I recognized him from
Met Malcolm McDowell at a convention a few years back. Being the Trek idiot that I am, I (VERY hilariously) bring along my copy of Generations for him to sign. He audibly sighed when he saw the DVD. I asked if he could sign something along the lines of "To Kevin, sorry I killed your boy Captain Kirk". He angrily told me he would do no such thing and that he actually did the world "a favor" by killing Kirk, scribbled his name upside down on the DVD, threw it down on the table and shouted "NEXT!" and moved me along.
I think I just found the secret origin of *Bad Bloke Brando* in this video.
The beginning of the film is the best part of the movie, and is really a commentary on TOS vs. TNG. If you watch, the Captain of the Enterprise-B keeps trying to think his way into a solution (complete with technobabble), which is a hallmark of TNG. Kirk is a man of action, the simplest solution is the correct one, move in and beam the people aboard - the scene is a fitting sendoff for Kirk, since after it he’s ‘dead.’
I still enjoy watching the movie from time to time (one of my favorites as a kid). But it's become quite funny / silly now how the villain Soran had to destroy 2 stars just to enter the Nexus ( rather than fly a ship towards it). Captain Kirk also never got to see newer Enterprise and it's crew aside from his not so exciting encounter with Picard. So much missed potential with this movie.
The TNG episode where they found Scotty was a better crossover in pretty much every way.
Not being able to fly a ship into it was explained in the movie.
Or the episode featuring Spock (Reunification something). Not sure if Uhura and Chekov were also featured in an episode.
@@mr.sinjin-smyth Uhura nor Chekov were on the show although Chekov was in Generations. The only TOS characters that were on TNG were: Spock, Sarek, Scotty, McCoy.
Studa Baker They explain that any ship that got close was destroyed, but he Soren shouldn’t care about that. He’s trying to stay forever. Just get a shuttle and fly yourself into it
I like Generations more today than I did back when it was new. I remember going to this movie with my mother, also a fan. And just being so bored. The ‘epic’ meeting of the captains is still lackluster but the crash landing of the Enterprise was just so amazing. I forgot just how long that was.
“You almost said Spock.”
ABSOLUTELY NOT.
He almost said Splerk!
One of the dumbest things about it is that anyone could think for about five minutes and shred the entire plot. "Wait, why didn't he just take a ship to where the ribbon was going to be? That's how he got on the ribbon in the first place, and how Kirk did. If he was somehow worried about getting blow up in the ship right before it, he could have just went out the airlock in a spacesuit. Why did he have to blow up a sun to alter the ribbons course if he knew where it was going?"
I remember liking this movie as a kid, but literally even when I was a kid it was soured because I didn't understand why they wouldn't just go back more. It's mentioned in the RLM review too, and if it was otherwise an incredible movie except for this plot hole, then it wouldn't be a big deal, but it's a very meh movie with gaping plot holes too. They mention Picard's family burning to death out of just about nowhere, it's not earned, and then they play on that unearned thing in the nexus and I guess it never occurs to Picard that he could also go back before that and stop that along with Saron. Watching it now, it's a very frustratingly dumb movie, and that's compounded by the fact that it's the very first TNG movie, Kirk's last movie, and a very complex/busy movie for how dumb it is.
I feel like people get crap for harping on plot holes, as if they just can't enjoy things, but that's only true to an extent and even less applicable in hardish sci fi like Trek.
Love that energy coming right out of the gate lmao
Can't wait til to see you guys fight in an old time saloon next week.
literally had a Spit Take w/ the sweet Mr Plinkett reference @ the end
From the first time watching the movie and even now as I watch this, I'm wondering why the baddie doesn't just fly a ship into the nexus.
Also, why doesn't Picard just leave the Nexus to before his Brother and Nephew die?
Something about ships always get torn up before they can get in, which is weird because the two times we've seen people go into it before they were both on ships.
@@BigFatCock0 Picard is big time temporal prime directive.
Because it's not in the script 😂😂😂
1:41 great timing, with the Fallout guy and the score cuing up 😂
Nice nod to RLM at the end!
There are a few of them hiding in there.
OMG this cracked me up and your banter was better than the movie itself.
Thank you for throwing in the Galaxy Quest reference.
I know it was a quick moment 1:04 but...am I the only one who really enjoyed into darkness? I feel like it gets unnecessary hate sometimes, it seems like a fine film, even when critics point certain moments out I still don't see the issue.
I love this movie, but... *the stupidest premise within it is:* dude knows where the nexus currently is, and knows where the nexus is traveling to, yet... in a universe filled with easily obtainable vehicles capable of space travel (like a shuttle craft), it somehow makes more sense to destroy an entire solar system, in order to change the magic space ribbon's trajectory to where you are standing on the ground, *rather than jumping in your basic Hertz rent-a-shuttle, and just flying there.*
-- I guess he didn't want the non-return of the shuttle showing up on his credit report?
Starships are destroyed by the Nexus but planets aren't, which is why he had to alter the trajectory of it to make it come to him.
@@QuantumParticle - Wait... doesn't the planet, that Captain Picard and Malcom McDowell's character are on, literally EXPLODE when the nexus hits it? In addition to that, when Captain Kirk is first taken by the Nexus... he's ON A STARSHIP. A starship that doesn't explode.
Woah, I was literally watching this movie last night! Way to give the audience what they want! I’m a bit bummed you didn’t go into the Data/emotion chip silliness, but I understand the Kirk and Picard is definitely more interesting. I’d love to see you do Star Trek 5 next, the fact that Shatner directed that one makes it so much funnier. Honestly though, if you just wanted to cover some crappy old TV episodes I’d be very happy with that too. I’m sure the animated series is rife with material!
We worked in a movie theater when Trek V was out. And by week 3-4 when we had empty shows, my friend Randy used to crack me up by standing in front of the screen and acting like he was making the shuttle craft from Nimbus 3 back to the Enterprise move along the screen with his hands. Don't if ILM could have even saved this film. But I love my Trek.
ST5 was a missed opportunity. I think the biggest problem was that the previous movie was a comedy, and was a massive hit, so they tried to force the next movie to be a comedy even though it was a much more serious story.
I'm a Trekker and this C.O.G was spot on 😆👍
One of the guys from Spin City? Ferris Beuller's best friend, surely... 😉
"Only question I ever thought was hard was do I like Kirk or do I like Picard?" ruclips.net/video/N9qYF9DZPdw/видео.htmlm14s
I know where this goes, and big respect dude.
All my action figures are cherry 😉
I know Pi to a thousand places.
Oh god, you've made me feel so very old
The answer is simple actually... Captain Sisko
The clip of Bo Burnham after Mason said ‘Read a book!’ was *chefs kiss
Bad Bloke Brando
you had me with that intro lol! great video boys
13:50, love Westworld!!! Thanks for the video!! See you later!!
Plinket and his music at the end really brought back memories
The image of Kirk ragdolling off that platform still makes me laugh
“I bet that if I ran fast enough I could hit a wall” - in one of the Shatner-written spin-off novels, that’s how Kirk escapes being trapped in a holodeck I think.
Star Trek VI is the best one. It was made when Trek was in its prime and it shows.
I endorse this comment!
Yeah, we’ll never top it.
I have to disagree. It has a strong start, but gets progressively worse. Wrath of Khan is iconic, but honestly I feel the TNG movies were better made, overall.
Just saw the Shat live in Dublin the other day.
He said he told Patrick Stewart to wear the stockings for horseriding,
but that he walked out of the trailer with them over his trousers.
Bill says a lot of things. Doubt it happened. Funny mental image though.
Will we ever see a Caravan of Garbage for Star Trek: Discovery?
Why would you? Do you . . . “want” . . . that? 😧
Movie exec: "alright let's make the credits. Let's see, there was Picard, Riker, Data, Geordi..."
Intern: "shouldn't it be LaForge? I mean, if you're gonna list them by last name..."
Movie exec: "ur fired"
Dudes, do Star Trek: First Contact. The James Cromwell bits alone will be hilarious
He was the best bit of that movie.
The secret origin of Bad Bloke Brando!
Star Trek : Generations is one of my all-time personal favorite ST movies. smh I basically feel like the only one who feels this way. Yes, it's not perfect. Yes, there are things you can nitpick. But it's actually a great ST movie. I've defended this movie before, and I really don't feel like typing out all of my counters to the criticisms. Fuck it, here are some: Kirk went out a hero saving many millions of lives. The Nexus was a brilliant idea to get the 2 captains together. BTW, it was *too risky* to fly a ship into it. Please stop repeating the stupidity surrounding this. The scenes with Kirk and Picard were very good. The emotional trials of Kirk, Picard and Data were great. I love Soran's *motivation* for what he's doing. It's great! The scenes of Data dealing with his emotions were great. The Enterprise crash scene was very good. The music is very good. The whole ship and crew were *saved* by the random fluke of Picard being on the planet when the Nexus hit. Again, it wasn't Shakespeare, it wasn't the best. But it was very good to me. And people seriously need to get over the death of Kirk.
I like Generations a lot too. It's a good-looking movie. The music and the Enterprise D interiors are great. Most of the minor characters feel well used. I think the plot holes could all have been fixed by replacing the Guinan character with Spock, so I always regret they didn't do that.
Generations and Nemesis are probably my favorite ST movies to rewatch. (I feel First Contact is overrated, because most of the Borg stuff is a bit dull. The earlier movies are good, but I prefer the original series.)
@@ThreadBomb First Contact is the best TNG movie, hands down IMO. Again, great music. The soundtrack basically captures the hope and heart of Star Trek! Naturally, it is nitpick-able (example: Picard walking off by himself to confront the Borg at the end). FC has so much heart, and the humor is great (again 8-) ) Zephram Cochrane was good, and we got the BEST Enterprise is all of ST , IMO. We also got the new grey-shoulder uniforms. Somewhat ironically I felt let down by FC walking out of the theater. But it grew on me after a couple of years! Yeah, there should have been more battles with Starfleet getting beat by the Borg, THEN the time travelling should have started. But to each his own, I guess.
My experience with this movie is that my parents rented it when I was a teen, or possibly a tween. I was out with my friends, and I came home to find my dad asleep on the couch while my mom was still awake watching it. I came home in time to watch the climax. (I had watched a fair number of episodes of TNG, but never anything from the OG series.) Then the next day, I was there when my mom was giving my dad a recap of what he missed.
I feel like that’s pretty much all I need.
Data exploring his emotions and Riker saying "fire" when the Klingon sisters get blown up are what make the movie for me
Same, even though Data's side plot with the emotion chip didn't really play into the main plot very much.
Did...did you use the sound of the Internet Explorer parody "weeeeeeeeeeeeee" to Kirk's death? Phenomenal.
"One of the guys from Spin City."
How dare y'all disrespect Cameron from Ferris Bueller's Day Off like that?
I knew it!
I loved the movie, and had already enjoyed the send off of the original crew in ST VI, so this was all about the launching of the next gen’s movies, with a bit of the old crew as a bonus. That how I saw it anyway, which was why it worked for me. I remember a reviewer (Tony Parsons on BBC Radio 4) saying, “I can easily see someone sticking their nut in Picard’s face, especially the nutter from A Clockwork Orange, so they needed Kirk to kick this guy’s arse.” So, if you are really seeing it as the first Next Gen Movie, and, like me, had avoided all spoilers, it was actually a magical experience! Not just to get a team up with Kirk at all, but other members of the crew too. Great video, as ever ✌️👍
You guys should watch Star Trek: The Motion Picture. But I'm one of the few (I guess?) who really likes it. The beginning is a bit too long of a getting the gang back together thing, but otherwise, it's a really interesting Star Trek. Then again, I also think the notion that only the even numbered films are good is nonsense. The third one isn't too bad either, not as good as Wrath of Khan of course and not as fun as Voyage Home but not that bad. And really, all the Next Gen movies aren't very good, even First Contact, which I know everyone seems to love, but it's just a pretty bad action movie that poorly portrays how characters were from the series. Picard feels like a completely different person in it. Some of the stuff in the past with Cochrane isn't bad but the rest of the movie is pretty poor.
Many like it, it is just too long in places due to not being edited properly which cripples the pacing but it is still a decent and in places very artistic science fiction film.
The movie itself isn't bad ( I don't even consider it slow) but a lot of the dialog delivery is awkward. They should have done a few more takes. It feels like most of the cast except the Pedo who played Dekkard (he acted the hell out of every scene) really didn't feel comfortable for most of the movie.
I prefer the TOS characters, but honestly the TNG movies are better.
LOL -- best review ever! Many thanks! Made my day!
Star Trek: Degeneration X
Love that little tidbit at the very end from Mr. Plinkett himself of RedLetterMedia
Guys, I love your accent but......emphasize that "e" in "deck" for "holodeck."
Because even my 5yo knows you guys just said HoloDICKS a whole bunch
I don't hear that at all
Better question, why are you letting your 5 year old watch videos that regularly feature the word "fuck"?
(and then bitching about them saying "dick")
YES. Make James watch the first Star Trek movie. It's actually really good if you accept the idea that there's no action. V-ger and the way it ends, ties it all together. It's great.
1:17 don’t think we didn’t notice that pizza roll floating by. Mr. Plinkett would be proud
THE NUMBER OF REFERENCES BEN MANAGES TO EDIT INTO THIS ONE - really heightens the experience tbh. the bo burnham one and the big references were seamless, damn
Loved the RLM reference at the end
My dad took me to see this for my 8th birthday when it came out. I was a huge TOS/TNG/DS9 fan and we watched them together all the time. Wasn't really enjoying the film, didn't quite understand what was going on.
Suddenly the Enterprise's stardrive section blew up and the saucer crashed.
Then Kirk died.
I left the theatre in tears.
HA!
Heh. I rewatched this movie with commentary by the screenwriters just a couple nights ago. They're pretty upfront about why & how it didn't work, so it's a good listen.
That is a good commentary. They admit that the finale of the TV show they wrote at the same time was better.
@@ThreadBomb Yeah. And they wrote the finale in like three weeks while they went back & forth on the movie for a year & a half with all sorts of producers, actors, & execs. It really shows that you generally just get better results when you just hire good people & then get out of their way.
Odd request but could you please do the naked gun trilogy? I would really appreciate it.
That RLM Easter Egg and the end was very cool.
I love the use of a pizza roll as a citation at 11:41.
I actually think this is one of my favourite startrek movies, I think the sfx are some of the best, the start of the movie sfx is pretty awesome with the ribbon.
You should do Galaxy Quest - not because it's garbage but just because I'd love to hear you guys talk about it. Such a good movie!
I vividly remember coming out of the theater and saying, "Enh, that was okay, I guess. It felt like an episode of the series and not a movie, though."
It was weird killing Kirk like that since Kirk in another film (Star Trek 5 I bieve) said he knew he would die alone. Yet they killed him off & Picard was there. Odd
I can't believe they didn't mention Data's song. That was my highlight to Star Trek
Jonny Sadler life forms...where are you?? 😂
They should have released it as a novelty single. They would certainly have done that in the 1960s.
It's a Star Trek review- so of course a Mr. Plinkett reference. Well done, editor.
I saw a glimpse of the Chart Mr. Plinkett uses in his reviews as well
Nice Plinkett cameo at the end there. You should have Mike Stoklasa join you for a Star Trek discussion some time.
i love how this films theme has now been completely undercut by Picard both coming back from the dead and now having a son
"Oh my" and the look on his face ,was actually really good
Keep up the good work guys!
Is this replacing half in the bag?
Also -- check out the Beverly-falls-into-water scene -- Worf (or his stunt double) is climbing back up the ship, and you can see red blotches on his uniform knees, either blood or wet paint from the hull?
Data saying oh shit or holy shit or whatever when they started to crash was gold for me.
I've never really agreed with the 'even numbered film' thing.
I'll go to war over Star Trek III - kickass adventure that neatly follows on from Wrath of Khan and leads into Voyage Home. Christopher Lloyd as a Klingon is fantastic and Kirk stealing the Enterprise is badass. Its only real crime is that it's just not QUITE as brilliant as II or IV which are both among the best of the series.
All the TOS films are good. Motion Picture is an underrated sci-fi feast and Undiscovered Country is often argued to be even better than Wrath of Khan. Final Frontier is the only real stinker and even that has some wonderful character moments.