What If Captain Picard Hadn't Actually Been Rescued From the Borg?
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Fun Fact: Patrick Stewart once said that he wished he could have been Locutus of Borg for longer, being a recurring enemy for a while before being rescued.
good gods, could you imagine a season of Riker as Captain, doing captain things, but having this shadow of his failure to rescue picard hangingg over him? and then in that seasons sweeps week finding out that locutus is still actually alive, and suddenly he has a chance to redeem himself in his own heart.
Imagine Locutus being so heavily indoctrinated by the Collective that he has only a vague, dreamlike memory of having once been an entity named Picard, and vehemently resists being rescued -- only to have Riker tell him "Resistance is futile...Captain."
Following the premise of this video (what if Picard was not rescued from the Borg), how about a "What If..." focusing on Voyager, their encounter with the Borg, and ultimately with Locutus (with the return of Patrick in the role), even on one or two occasion instead of the Borg Queen (as entertaining as Alice Krige and Susanna Thompson were in that role).
Reminds me of one comic where the Enterprise gets contacted by a parallel Enterprise where they didn't manage to get Picard back and everything went bad afterwards. In that timeline Riker is Captain and Shelby his first officer.
Over the story they manage to capture their version of Locutus and try basically the same tricks as in the prime universe, but some things are a bit different and they have to creatively adjust their strategy.
But yeah, having Picard stick with the Borg for the season, only being rescued at the end sounds like a really interesting plot. A bit like Yar of Hell was planned as a full season.
@@HappyBeezerStudios “I said, simply, ‘Spock”
Riker managing to save Picard in First Contact after he had been believed dead by both crew and fans for years could have been a fucking unbelievably awesome moment in Trek history.
His portrayal of post - assimilation, post - recovery honestly was - wait. It was nonexistent. His older brother administered " *tough love* " to help him, more than Troi could or did.
Also Patrick Stewart's ego in the TNG movies would not have allowed for such nonsense
I just showed Best of Both Worlds to my 10 year old daughter for the first time a couple of weeks ago. I hammed it up speculating that Picard may not survive. She told me he'll be fine because Star Trek: Picard. I glared.
steak trek Picard is a different time line. that trumps that
Yoda says: "A childs mind wonderful it is!"
Picard turned into something not-quite-human at the end of first season of ST:P anyways.
10 year olds are just too smart (sometimes cocky depending on the child) for their age these days-lol.
It is funny how everything we watched was on a week by week, often cliffhanger basis (who shot JR). Now many things drop in a full season.
Poor girl I feel sorry for her that was mean
That version of First Contact sounds amazing! Imagine the dramatic opportunities for Frakes as he displays the trauma of going up against the Borg again after they killed his father figure. He would have had even more anger and rage at them. Then after years of not seeing Picard at all we get the scene where Captain Riker has been captured, he wakes up and we hear for the first time in years “Hello number one” but it is the Borg collective voice. Then BAM! We see borg Picard again. That sounds incredible.
I wholeheartedly second this.
You could have done this, rescue him by the end, and the still do the Picard series essentially unchanged.
Also means Picard's trauma would've been deeper as he was longer with the Borg.
That would have been great!! So, would it have been Riker that was captured by the Cardassians and saying "I see four lights" ? That would be interesting.
I always felt like when Worf says "He IS a Borg" that's the closest we'll ever get to having Worf cry!
I feel like he shed some internal tears of happiness the first time he tried prune juice... the way he said "A Warriors Drink" was clearly filled with joy
It always sounded to me like Worf was about to throw up at that moment.
Agreed 100%
I don't know. I think him realising that the Defiant was a lost cause in FC.
I mean...Ke'hlyr...
I think the best idea you touched on is having Picard be completely absent from the rest of the TNG series, only to pop up in place of the Borg queen in First Contact. It would have been a huge twist! And I love the idea of Picard finally being saved from his assimilation - he would have been in no shape to rejoin Starfleet - but it would have been a lovely story and perfect resolution to Picard's storyline.
I'd love to see an alternative first contact where it's a second chance to rescue Picard. That sounded so good
I can imagine in a alternative timeline where Patrick Stewart did leave and instead I’m watching Steve talk about what if Picard had been rescued from the Borg.
Yeah, that would be the one with hillbilly Riker screaming "the Borg are EVERYWHERE" from a ship which only takes one hit to blow up.
SNAKE, YOU'VE CREATED A TIME PARADOX!
'The Federation's gone! My beard is EVERYWHERE!!'...😉👍
I love the scene where Riker looks at the captain's office chair and says "What would you do?". It happens so quick but it's such a good introspective moment. In the hypothetical of Picard not returning to captain, I think seeing that side of Riker expanded on would be cool! We'd get to see him having to move past looking to what Picard would do, and thinking about what HE should do.
Steve-- "I was ten years old!" Me, realizing I was in college, "Damn, I am getting old."
I was 16 and about to head into my senior year and that summer just ATE at me. It was the "Who Shot JR" weekend of our nerdy generation.
Ditto
Hell, I was almost 30 and I remember throwing up my hands and yelling at the TV, “TO BE CONTINUED??? WHAT???” I couldn’t believe they’d hang us off a cliff like that!
I remember enjoying the first Trek movie while I was in High School, because after TOS was canceled we hadn’t seen any new Trek for nearly a decade at that point. (Yes I’m old).
And I was 1 yrs old. So didn't watch it live. However I can relate to cliffhangers in the sense other shows (Lost mainly).
Steve, you are such a nerd for exploring what-if scenarios on a by-gone tv show most people have forgotten. Please keep it going!
Have most people forgotten it?
Unification would have been pretty interesting with Riker in command instead of Picard. A conversation between Spock and Will about the shared pain and struggles of losing both a captain and friend could have been an interesting conversation, especially if Will had been having difficulty fitting into the chair full time.
I was there too Steve... “I was there”...
Dude I was in kindergarten and me and my siblings had to get permission to stay up and watch that episode an my grandmother still made us go to bed early, dude you don't know!!!! LOL!!!!!!!! That was epic!!!!! Love Star Trek!!!!!!
Yeah, Riker ordering to fire on Locutus was one of the great season-ending cliff hangers of TV history.
Followed closely by, "Ramming speed" and Wesley gulping and saying, "Aye, Sir." and doing his duty.
I think TNG: “Parallels” summarized the possibility of Picard never escaping the Borg. Riker doesn’t get a haircut or a shave for the rest of the run and thus the Borg assimilate the Federation.
Also Worf is first officer and Wesley is promoted to lieutenant and is the enterprise’s security chief 👀
I feel like this whole episode is a version of _Tapestry_ with Steve as Q telling Patrick Stewart how because he left after Season 3 he never became so popular, never got the part of Professor Xavier, never became a cultural icon, etc. etc... Meanwhile Jonathan Frakes ended up straight in the front row of the Head Museum in New New York in the year 3000.
Never got to be in The Emoji Movie...
@@pokepress Or get knighted... 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
"Oldest, dearest friend..." I thought you were going to end that sentence with "Thomas Riker" :P
same here :D
This should be the next Not Actually Trek Actually. "What if Captain Riker had picked Thomas Riker as his new first officer?"
That would be dope
Capt. Riker would have made the Thomas Riker storyline that much more intense of a difference between the two characters, with one being in the command chair and the other having been stranded
@@MrDepechefan1 imagine how his DS9 venture would've gone with CAPTAIN Will Riker
What if you bring in Ben Sisko as first Officer for a while before spinning him off into DS9. Making Riker his Mentor instead of Picard as the Target of his anger
That is opening an Pandoras box of a whole new timeline - I like it!
@@lexiburrows8127 I'm not sure that would preclude Sisko from being at wolf 359. Could have the next eps be the picking up the pieces kind of thing. Post battle, Riker's in a bar on Earth, drinking away the loss of his captain and Lt Cmdr Sisko, in a semi-drunken rage against Locutus' 1st officer, comes at him. Fists are thrown, tears are shed, Sisko finds a kindred spirit and Riker finds his 1st officer.
Avoids the whole Data as 1st officer issue. That's the technically correct path but has a lot of awkward problems the producers may want to put off and allows Sisko's stoic, almost fatalism to be a foil the vestiges of Riker's more boisterous, playboy nature.
Having a more down to Earth but slightly naive Jake Sisko on board too might make an interesting foil for Wesley's overbearing genius.
Cmrd Shelby could then liase with Cmdr Sisko in designing the Defiant. Maybe work Worf in there somehow to explain the ruthlessly militaristic role the ship fills. It's a starfleet ship built in the Klingon philosophy.
Then when they role out DS9, Sisko leaves, Data or Worf 1st officer, round 2! I think that is post Tasha's daughter and Data commanding a ship? So maybe he'd be a good fit. Not that a Klingon 1st officer wouldn't pose some interesting possibilities.
When they role out the Defiant itself, to tie the series together, Worf is the one to bring it to DS9 with a massive list of issues from its shake down cruise.
Bring the Enterprise too and they've been conducting mock battles all the way from Utopia Planitia. Geordi's been banging his head agaist the plasma conduits for the entire trip but has some ideas.
Reunion with O'Brian & family, Sisko etc. Data can say how much he learned about command from both Riker and Sisko and this is when Worf transfers to stay with the Defiant... As it's captain.
Dianna is torn? They were an item at this point? She would choose the Enterprise as normal and Worf/Dax is still a thing only with the awkwardness of Sisko knowing Worf much better.
Maybe Worf's adventures into the alternate realities can have him appear on DS9 in Sisko's place with Dianna at his side? Assuming the timelines match up. Things may be grim though with no prophets, or he replaced Sisko after he choose to stay in the Wormhole to defend against the Dominion somehow?
Hmmm, afraid I don't think it would work. Sisko's character needed to wallow on Utopia Planitia before being assigned to DS9 for him to travel the arc he needed to. And it would allow him to develop they way he did for us rather than being a known entity like Work and O'Brian.
Though either way, I'm not sure you could have the moment aboard the Enterprise like you did with Pircard. When they first met, Sisko could only see Locutus, and thus his pain of losing Jenifer. Then in the second time, we saw that both were fading at last. Can't see a way to have that with Riker.
@@forestwells5820 I think you're right. Sisko would not have been anywhere near the badass he became without the experiences at Wolf 359. He would not have been up to what he achieved in the Dominion War.
I’m watching this again (?) two years later and Steve sounds so much like Captain Shaw in his beginning rant. Mannerisms and everything are right there!
Here's how I imagine a version First Contact where Picard stayed a Borg:
It goes a lot like how you described it in your own video. But here are some extra details I think would be really interesting. Much like in the original film Riker is having recurring nightmares about The Borg but they're because of his feelings of survivor's guilt for failing to save Picard. Then he receives a message from Starfleet telling him that the Borg have returned and much like in the original film he defies orders and The Enterprise helps turn the tide in the battle above Earth.
During the fighting The Borg vessel hails The Enterprise and the crew us horrified to discover that the assault is being led by Locutus. He taunts the crew and Riker is consumed by the same rage and obsession with revenge that Picard was consumed by in the original film. This is continually exacerbated because throughout the film Locutus will taunt the crew over the intercom when the Borg infiltrate the ship.
The battle is won and the Borg proceed to travel back in time with The Enterprise in tow. Many details of this new film remain the same, including The Borg abducting Data. The main difference there is that a reason why Locutus took him is that there is still a small piece of his identity as Picard that remains buried and that part wants to see Data again. Data picks up on this and spends his portion of the film trying to reach that piece of Picard, ala Luke trying to reach Anakin in Return of The Jedi.
Meanwhile Riker is set straight by Lily, just like in the real movie. At this point he is contacted by Locutus again and he goes to confront him, giving the crew enough to to escape. During the confrontation Riker and Data are able to help Picard finally break through and he chooses to sacrifice himself to destroy The Borg once and for all. With the future saved Riker and the rest of the crew finally let themselves truly grieve for Picard and they return to the 24th Century.
The more I think about it the more I kinda wanna write this as an AU Fan Fiction.
Will Locutus seduce Data?
Do it, it would be amazing
@@andrewblanchard2398 Honestly I thought she was fine in First Contact. Didn't love her, didn't hate her. Sadly they kept bringing her back
That could have been a fucking awesome movie. Could you imagine how it would have completely blown the minds of fans if they had managed to keep Patrick Stewart's involvement a secret so the reveal is a total surprise?
@@neil3202 It would have been easier then than it would be now since the internet wasn't as much of a juggernaut as it is now.
Doing something I normally don't do just to let you know I PERSONALLY needed this nostalgia of 10 year old me also especially today remembering the longest summer ever, so thank you for just being you all the time man. Trekkie to trekkie, I ❤ this channel like it's in my soul. Keep on keeping on and fighting the fight.
"The producers made a purely creative decision."
Damn Steve, you are on fire with these jokes.
I absolutely love the idea of First Contact being a final arc or even a redemption arc for Picard. I think that would have made First Contact even better. Riker saving his old friend, and he finally gets to bring him back to his brother after all these years. Finally being able to make up for what he feels was his largest failing. I would imagine that Riker would have stayed in command of the Enterprise after that many years. It still could have led into a new series for Picard. A very DIFFERENT Picard. An episode or two within the new Riker-centric seasons turn out to be caused by Picard and his intimate knowledge of the Federation. Picard sets out to make things right. To redeem himself not in the eyes of the Federation, but to redeem himself in his own eyes.
Some awesome thoughts there! Sadly Riker would never have got to bring Picard back to his brother because Robert and René died just before the start of Generations. Maybe that film could start with Riker finding out about their deaths and grieving the loss of his last connection to the memory of his old captain and friend. When he later rescues Picard from the Borg in First Contact, he has to break it to him that his family is dead. That would have made for more great drama!
@@shibolinemress8913 I have so thoroughly erased Generations (and especially René and Robert's deaths) from my mind because it is that upsetting to me that I genuinely forgot that René and Robert died.
(seriously why did they kill these 2 off-screen? and then have their deaths be a footnote in the movie?)
I feel your pain, Steve.
I was only 8 when "Best Of Both Worlds" aired, and TNG S3 was my first exposure to the series (thanks to my Dad for introducing me to Star Trek and Star Wars).
I WAS THERE, Steve, I WAS THERE. I know the pain of waiting that long summer. I was 7, and Star Trek was, and is, important to me.
One of the muses I have heard about this idea is that TNG might have lasted longer than 7 seasons. One there was an established pattern of replacing characters like a "realistic" ship rotating out crew over the years, actors could come and go as a part of the normal cycle of the show - a bit like how Doctor Who manages to stay on the air for decades by swapping out the actors. TNG could eventually have been a 15 year show about "whoever was on the Enterprise" at the time. This would have meant that they would never do Voyager as a spinoff.
I just started watching your channel and I have to say, you are hilarious. Really giving me stand up vibes. Your speaking voice is great, fast and inflected but easy to understand.
Fun Fact: Johnathan Frakes got to try his take at The Inner Light in the Adventure Time pastiche of it, "Puhoy". He voices the aging version of the main character and does a great job! I have no doubt he would have knocked it out of the park as captain.
I guess I should give Adventure Time a go again. I stopped watching after the fourth or fifth season or something like that. Just got kinda bored of it. But now, it’s finished, so it’s a complete product. And presumably it said whatever it wanted to say.
My brother and I were bawling our heads off. We called Channel 2 in Denver, Colorado to see if the show was coming back, the adults were laughing and said, yes...yes. we were so happy, screaming YAY🎉🎉🎉🎉
Steve must be going for the Oscar in this opening bit.
Nah... that pain was all totally real, I was there in those same trenches too.
If so, he has a long way to go. A very long way
That was such a good intro. I know you were kidding, but I felt you.
Steve I think you forgot to touch on how *much* this could change the Riker/Troi dynamic and I don't mean this just in a professional way with him becoming her Captain.
The reason that's always given for their breakup was that Will decided to focus on his career with the dream of becoming the captain of a state of the art ship (preferably the Enterprise).
Now with this dream achieved he could realise how much he still loves Deanna and try to court her, deanna is now the reluctant one who wants to focus *on* *her* career. Basically a subversion of their previous dynamic.
I raised my Kid to believe TNG was the best Trek... but for his 7th birthday He surprised me by asking for a model of the TOS Enterprise that we could build together because he hands-down declared it to be the best ship and the one that most felt like Star Trek.
This really IS about personal taste / aesthetics! :)
I like the idea of Locutus appearing in First Contact as the main antagonist, for lots of reasons. But one that just occurred to me is that, if he is rescued and goes on to retire, it would give him an even stronger connection to Hugh and the other XBs if/when he gets to meet them in this alternate universe. Having been a borg for years instead of just hours, he might have been left physically scarred, and presumably would have had a harder time adjusting to individuality again. Maybe he ends up working with Hugh in in the reclamation project instead of hanging around his vineyard.
Glad to see there was no emotional fallout from that episode and then having to wait for the second part.
I feel your pain. The "Year of Hell" was so traumatizing to me that I was in tears... I was 12. I hadn't figured out the blatantly obvious.
That's okay. Most of us never do
Only just found this. Man, that's the best opening minute I've seen in a while!
I’ve wanted a Captain Riker series my entire life. As much as I love DS9 and Captain Sisko, at the time Avery Brooks was announced as the series lead I felt Frakes should have been the star of any TNG spinoff.
I love it when Steve pretends to break down! Great acting, dude
"But the point is, I was ready, even eager to give the new guy a shot." Noting the date of this video's release, am I the only one that senses possible subtext? Just me? Okay, I'll see myself out. Great video either way Steve! Cheers! :)
I don't think so. Captain Picard was a capable leader, after all.
@@Rognik "The new guy"
"The NEW guy"... In the captain's chair.
Posted on 1/20/21.
New. guy. in. charge...
I see you, @neocelestia
Seeking a first officer...."Riker turns to his oldest, closest, most trusted friend.... (Fill in the blank people)"
-His can of beard oil!
-The holo porn projector in his quarters!
-His own reflection in a console screen!
-His own clone Thomas!
-Scotch!
"And I... hold up my end"
That's the most legitimately humble humblebrag I've ever heard
When I was seven years old, I asked my parents to let me watch their TV-recorded VHS of "The Best of Both Worlds, Pts. 1 & 2" on Christmas morning while I assembled a Hot Wheels set that only ever kind of worked. I think my parents were simultaneously proud and concerned.
The pain of that intro is so true. I too can remember how shocked and aghast I was when those dreaded words, "to be continued" first popped up. Having to wait all summer to find out was most anxious I had ever been in my life back then. Conversely though, yes, the excitement was just as real and I can still remember talking with my parents not just about how the crew might get Picard back, but the distinct possibility that he might not get rescued at all.
It's not like TNG had an entirely stable cast up to that point. We'd seen Tasha die and Beverly replaced Pulaski for a season. We'd also seen familiar faces shuffled around, Geordie prompted to chief engineer and Warf promoted to chief of security, not to mention the journey of Wesley snot nosed teen to a acting member of the crew. Oh, and most of all let's not forget the most significant addition to the crew, Riker's beard :-)
The notion that the dynamics were changing once again, that Riker was going to be the new captain and that this new girl would be his new first officer felt entirely plausible, and years later it's still hard not to ponder how TNG would have been if the writers really had decided to commit to that change.
Heck, here's even one more idea how future seasons might have diverged to add to the kettle. If Picard wasn't rescued, maybe the Borg would have become more frequent antagonists with Locutus as their face filling in as an alternative for "friend" turned foe dynamic that that Sela had. As a further extension of that, Maybe Denise Crosbie would have still returned to the series, but with the heightened Borg threat the Romulans and Federation would have to forge an uneasy alliance with Sela acting as a lesson between the two, maybe even with Sela becoming a new addition to the Enterprise crew as part of that alliance.
Then we would have never had one of the greatest star trek rants ever...the line must be drawn here!!!
I was about to complain about Steve calling out us newbie Star Trek fans.. then I realized I'm nearly as old as this nerd :(
(Love you Steve, don't give me a scathing remark in a not actually!)
I also assumed that the Riker that went a bit crazy in the multiverse collection episode was from a timeline where Locutus stayed as he was.
I always thought that too. Like to the point where I thought that was stated in the show. Did they not state what specifically what timeline he was from? Is my brain just playing tricks on me?
I remember that summer of 1990. My friends and I had endless (often repetitive) discussions about how the next season would resolve the cliffhanger. I think modern fans miss out on that fun, since they can just binge whole series and never end on a cliffhanger at all.
The opening monologue explains why Steve has always had that thousand light-year stare
This is the heaviest burden those of us Gen-X geeks carry with us!
It does indeed. And his meltdown is on par with Benny Russell's.
"It just doesn't feel like Star Trek."
Thank you so much for hitting this Steve. I see this all the time and always say the same things you just did. I always bring this up when people complain online about Trek. I remember all the hate that each series got and how many of those people eventually changed their opinions by the time the next show came along. Anecdotal, but, my experience is that these people tend to be the ones who also only see Star Trek as a military/conservative show and tend to miss a lot of the points of episodes.
We had to wait all summer. I was there as well. I was fortunate to live in Brooklyn, NY and one Chanel had rerun’s daily so I could watch the whole series in order.
Dude... I do not miss end of season cliff hangers.
For real?? I miss it SO much!! It was awesome to spend months speculating with friends and fellow fans about what was going to happen. One of the most disappointing things about the internet is that the constant (almost unavoidable) spoilers have ruined the ability for shows to give us real tension and anticipation.
We did kind of get one at the end of season 2 of discovery when the crew went into the time portal to the future. And I mean that in the sence that we didn't know what they would find and how much things would have changed when they did so. Same with season 1 when the enterprise showed up at the very end of the finaly
Whilst losing Patrick Stewart would have been a tragic loss, Captain Riker would have been great fun. I feel Shelby was introduced to be the backup XO, but I think there's room for a more realistic command progression where Riker commands for several years, but there's some legitimate turnover of crew, so, say Shelby takes the XO position, but then goes on to her own command early in season 6 and Deanna takes on the position. Would have been really fun if you ask me. And the point of your video, as always, is excellently delivered.
"The Best of Both Worlds"- the "Who Shot JR" of Trek.
You are so young. And, for me, I was getting sent off to boarding school with tv stations I didn't know and restrictions on times I could watch. You don't know my pain!
I actually love the idea of Troi being Riker’s first officer. Be right back, I have to see if anyone has written that fanfic.
Isn't she first officer in the titan books?
I was there. I know how you feel! 10 year old me was all like WHAT!! I have to wait all summer! That cliffhanger was diabolical.
“Just because he’s next in line doesn’t mean he automatically gets the job”
Tell that to everyone who says Tilly shouldn’t have been acting first officer on Discovery
Also Tuvok was next in line after the original XO died, but then Janeway went and gave it to Chakotay.
@@kaitlyn__L Chakotay was a commissioned full commander before he left for the Maquis, and was the captain of that crew. It made a lot more sense to make him XO because of his rank and diplomacy.
Well sure, but in general you don't give the job to somebody who was a cadet a year ago...
Well yeah, people get pissed off when they get passed over. Lt Cmdr Stamets initial reaction to being told an Ensign would be his boss is more realistic. A room full of Lieutenants is not going to be smiling and clapping over this either. Not so much a direct next in-line but many more people in-line ahead.
The little mustache on Tasha and then briefly flashing onto Deanna-- 💀🤣
The sad part is I knew what the angle was when you started "You new Trek Fans"😂😂😂
Yes they will never know the struggle & I'm glad they are here though 👏🏾👏🏾
Imagine, at the tender age of 8, having to wait FOUR YEARS (1969-1973) for new Trek and it wasn't even live action.
re Locutus in "First Contact"
Damn you! Now I'm angry we didn't get to see that! ;P
You def have the best Trek videos, keep up the good work!!
Also imagine hearing someone else in the intro saying" Space, the final frontier..." lol
I think Data as Captain or Worf would have been amazing!!
Well, in my all-time favorite episode from TNG, Parallels, we catch a glimpse of the would be Enterprise if Picard had died in "the Borg conflict" (how it is mentioned in the episode), so maybe Riker as captain and Worf as First Officer. Although yes, the episode is all about a 'what can happen will happen', it makes the whole Picard death scenario canon.
You had me at Sasha Tzar... XD
Need to clean my keyboard from the spilled coke now...
I always wondered if Beverly would have stayed on the ship if Picard was not recovered. While it never played out on screen the way many fans wanted, Beverly had romantic feelings for him there is no denying that. While they were not married or in a romantic relationship, there were those underlying feelings and he was her best friend. I think she would feel his absense in a similar way to how she felt about Jack's death. There is also the additional guilt associated with the fact that she was on the away team that was sent to recover him and she ultimately failed. It always struck me how Beverly was the first to see Locutus. Personally while I think it would have been a loss for the show (and many may see it as reducing Beverly to nothing more than a woman in love with a man) I don't think she would have stayed on the ship, because the Enterprise's mission is not to take down the borg. I can see her going back to medical and throwing herself into research and experimentation of how to reclaim those who have been lost to the borg (obvs we know she can do it as she did it in the show), with her ultimate goal being to find Jean-Luc (who she does not believe is gone) and bring him back.
Omg you are absolutely right! My husband and I have had many conversations over the years about how torturous it was to wait for part 2 of BOBW.
"You want the wait? *YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE WAIT!* Bah, no wait-handler you, I deride your wait-handling ability!"
I remember Wolf 359, I was there man! I remember the long... slow... weeks of reruns leading up to S4!
I read that in Jack Nicholson's voice XD XD XD
11:51 Hotrod changes from a Lambo into a Winnebago and THAT'S the moment child you was like "SIGN ME UP FOR THIS. TRANSFORMING RV'S LET'S GO". I'm kidding, like what you like, I loved Ironhide and he was just a cranky van.
I mean, that cube would have still been defeated. They underestimated Starfleet. Now, if they had sent TWO cubes, that's the end of days.
I still dislike the puny defence force of the main system of the Federation - surely they've learned after that?! Oh, wait... Here comes the news: "In a recent attack on San Francisco the Dominion forces crushed the world renowned Golden Gate bridge!"
or in the news a few centuries earlier: "Today millions died in a Xindi terrorist attack striking the east coast of the American continent!"
It's just the end of Voyager when they gave us a little show of force.
Two Borg cubes wouldn't have been the end of the world IMHO, as the Borg never understood our resourcefulness - they would've never got their grips on Texas! Remember, Borg are not invulnerable against bullets 😎
I've always thought the Borg were merely toying with Starfleet and the Federation by only dispatching a single cube for each attempt at "invasion". Granted, they consider themselves to be completely superior technologically, and are in most ways, but it'd still be far more logical for them to have sent more than a single vessel if they actually planned to assimilate both the Federation and then the Klingon and Romulan Empires. Not to mention the numerous belligerent other powers, including the Tholians, Breen, and Tzenkethi. Perhaps they were secretly planning to provoke the human and humanoid races of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants into developing greater and greater technology over a long period of time for them to eventually harvest decades or even centuries into the future...😳
Great video! I feel like Riker would have struggled to fill the void left by Picard not only with the crew but with himself. I honestly would love to see Riker talk to Picard's brother explaining in person why he couldn't save Picard. That would have made some interesting drama with Robert unable to resolve his differences with his brother, and now never getting the chance.
Try being an ORIGINAL Star Trek fan growing up in the 70's waiting 10 YEARS for a new Star Trek series...
I like the idea of the change being that Picard resigns command due to the trauma of assimilation or the stigma now around his assimilation, maybe he goes off and has a family finally or eventually makes guest appearances occasionally.
If Picard was lost in Best of Both Worlds I could see Q and Riker becoming less frenemies and more akin to old drinking buddies reminiscing over their loss of Captain Picard. As time goes on they might even become, maybe not friends, but understanding towards each other
I mean, Q did try to turn Riker into one of them early on.
Q to Thomas and William Riker: "Damn, I can never tell you both apart!"
I remember the cliffhanger of the summer of 1990. I also remember feeling sure that the Enterprise crew were going to save Picard, but that he would retire directly afterward. I was actually disappointed that we didn't get Captain Riker at the end of "Family".
“... a Black Vulcan. You know who I mean.”
VINCE!
SuperVolt, fool.
I like these what-if videos, especially if they were able to save Picard in First Contact. Keep asking those questions I love how the potential timeline forms.
Want to know something REALLY interesting? Before they settled on Avery Brooks, one of the actors they auditioned for Sisko was Richard Dean Anderson. Imagine an alternate universe version of DS9 led by him. Would it have ended up being more like Stargate? It would've been a VERY different show for sure, because Avery Brooks defined a LOT of what DS9 became. Obviously the SG-1 we know would not have existed if that had happened, but it's still interesting to think about.
I literally screamed out loud at the beginning of that summer and pins and needles the whole time. My little 13 year old mind was so blown like “how could you blow up my captain!?” 😫
You're a talented actor/story teller Steve. Have you ever looked into become an actor?
I feel you Steve. I'm about your age and I watched Best of Both Worlds Part 1 at my grandparents house. I remember falling to my knees from my chair and crying out "noooooo!" after Riker gave the command to fire. Strong memory, even many years later.
"FIRE" .....One year later "It had no effect sir"
Cue sad trombone
That's light speed restrictions 😋
It was only 3 months.
It's funny that as you were going through the options for first officer and discussed Worf, that you did not include that we indeed see this alternate Star Trek in the episode "Parallels", in which Worf hops between parallel universes due to "space stuff" and Geordi's VISOR. It is this particular universe that Riker is captain, Worf is first officer, Wesley of all people is Security Chief, and there is a cardassian at the helm.
How about this, Riker is captain and right after “Family” we have the episode with his clone, Thomas. And upon discovering him, it’s decided that the only fair thing to do is to make Thomas the first officer of the Enterprise. And so for the rest of the series Jonathan Frakes is both the captain and first officer of the ship. So many possibilities.
And so much cause for confusion - I still would have loved a comedy spin-off of that kind 😂
Just to see Selas or Tomalaks confusion if their chat partner gets mysteriously promoted and demoted
or imagine Q: "Damn, I struggle to tell you both apart!" 😋
There's a fantastic novel I read a few years back called "Headlong Flight" by Dayton Ward, where the modern Enterprise E encounters a TNG-era version of the Enterprise D where Picard died, Riker became captain, Yar is still alive, Dr Pulaski stayed the doctor, and Wesley is a "civilian consultant".
The TNG episode "Parallels" could've had an interesting change where Worf ended up on a parallel ship where Picard was rescued by the Borg. Also, how would the DS9 pilot have played out differently, with Sisko not being able to interact with the one he blamed for the death of his wife?
Pegasus is my favourite TNG episode, and ohboy would it be different if Riker was captain, but I don't think it would loose any of its power. I think the conflict of the episode comes from the difference between Riker being the type of young officer who would obey orders, ANY orders, because obeying orders is the right thing to do, and the more seasoned officer who knows that there are issues within Starfleet, and has to do the right and moral thing even if that means breaking an order. Picard is a major part of the episode, so the change would be quite a change. With the same writers, I think it would be just as good.
Different is not worse, different is just different.
Good video Shives, you may make officer yet.
"Captain Picard would not approve."
That's the most depressing possibility ever.
Damn, better make sure it will never apply to me.
Picard may not have approved... but what would Gene Roddenberry think of these shows and how his vision of his story being handled? I know, I know... I'm forever stuck in the past. :/
I was one of those "kids" because it was YEARS later, in 1996, that some of the older students showed us the double-episode in a video night at friendly camp for first-year students (freshmen). I vaguely knew about Picard and Worf, but knew so little that I thought the Klingon's name was Crusher, because duh. Anyway it was a complete stunned audience. The eery music of Ron Jones had a massive underestimated effect on this.
We didn't have to deal with any more than a minute of waiting for the VHS tape - it was an incredible cliffhanger and we didn't even have the pain of waiting. All I can compare it to was 1988's part one cliffhanger for Remembrance of the Daleks, but Doctor Who had a really good example for the cliffhanger of "The Stolen Earth", with the Daleks exterminating the Doctor - I had business calls from Australia to the UK, people who barely knew each other, and the question of the cliffhanger filled way too many minutes of the call. But it was only for one week! In both cases these were 7-day cliffhangers only.
So the question has been plaguing us for decades - did Captain Picard get premium-quality therapy before returning to command? That kind of detail could never be glossed over in the 2020s.
Hulk Hogan was a heel, and we never knew it, Picard was face, and Kirk was a heel, but a half time heel
It’s amazing, looking back, how often Hogan was the first to use a chair or attack a manager unprovoked, and would still get cheered. Stone Cold’s success feels like an extension of Hogan, from a certain angle
The acting in this video... I mean... My God, Steve!
Take the Oscar!
Take ALL the Oscars!!!
You have to go with Worf, right? Isn't he officially required to get all promotions via the death of another officer?
Worf receives two promotions in DS9 without anyone dying. Technically, he gets three promotions, but the last one is directly the result of someone dying.
It's part of his Klingon heritage after all!
@@shinyagumon7015 but wouldn't that also be cultural apropriation of Klingon culture by the federation?
I still remember the day it was a sunny sunday at the Glasgow away team meeting. Sitting in a hall for the screening of the latest episodes of TNG.The Organiser after the first part announces that the second episode wasnt shown until after the summer.The agonising minutes while he changed the VHS and pressed play still haunts me to this day :)
If Picard had not survived, you would be making this episode 20 years later about "What if Captain Picard HAD survived?".
I actually am a Determinist, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying speculation about what could have been. Maybe it's even part of the reason I enjoy such speculation.
BTW I rarely comment on videos but I thought that first line was an interesting thought worth mentioning. Love your videos and your discussions, please never stop Steve. :)
20 years later? 30? It's nearly 30. I was 2 when Best of Both Worlds aired, crazy!
Your final thoughts after 23:20 are so mature! I love it.
On a side note, but staying in the category of "what if;" I always thought a good shake up of characters would have been to have William Riker promoted to Captain of a starship and "leaves the show." Data was promoted to First Officer. Lieutenant Thomas Riker is brought on to man the Ops station.
That'd be something lol.
*"bridge to Riker"*
*"which one [childish chuckles]"*
I seem to recall SFDebris had the same idea in his review of Second Chances. It would have been interesting. I seem to recall Q mentioned in an episode of Voyager he thought they'd have offered the big chair of that ship to him.
To paraphrase Tyrion Leinster, "It's easy to get the way things are, confused with the way things ought to be; especially when the way things are has worked so well for you."
My vote for first officer would have been then-Commander Carol Freeman (his "cha'Dich") 😉
The last part of your video reminds me of an exchange with Data and Guinan. "I hate this!" "More?" "Please!" It was me with DS9. Speaking of DS9, in the "what if" scenario where they don't see Picard, I think it'd be cool to see sparks fly with Riker and Sisko. Sisko would blame Riker for not killing Locutus, calling him foolish for attempting to rescue Picard instead of killing him to protect the Federation and prevent the Battle of Wolf 359. I'd also think it'd be interesting to see Q at first hating Riker, simply for not being Picard, but then gradually comes to acknowledge Riker's strengths, such as his moral courage and creative problem solving skills. "All Good Things" would be pretty heart wrenching, imo, but also bittersweet. Riker would reflect how he used to act like being Picard's first officer would last forever, but that eventually, he had to let go.
Steve: Let me explain something to you youngsters,
Me: Yeah! Let ‘em know Steve!
Steve: Who became fans when the Kelvin movies came out
Me: Oop wait never mind, thats me. Okay i’ll listen.