I can see getting rid of exams, I used to get so stressed about exams I'd either make myself sick or just blank, somehow I'd pass but it wasn't close to what I could really do. I've always felt in class and coursework is a better for gauging a person's ability, it still pushes you and there is still a certain level of stress (that's life for ya) but the extreme levels of stress and crap from exams is removed from the equation. Reducing stress is one thing but that professor's policy is too far in that direction, it missed the turning for Sensible Street and ran strait into Crazy Town XD
Nick Kindler nice contradiction. you said your parents showed you what failure was by putting a mirror up to you but then said you still don't understand. Stop trying to meme so hard.
Most of my college exams are open book, internet and everything; some others you are allowed a single A4 page with formulas so you don't have to memorize it and I think its amazing because the questions are based on not only how much you can remember but how to apply what you have been taught.
Delightful Darkness well, if people are still being taught and only the testing and grading are relaxed, it'd be the students' own fault for not learning anything..?
Mary42877 sure you can put that responsibility on a student and by all means you should, but I also know how stressful it can get when you have 4 papers due the same week and how easy it would be to half ass it and tell my prof I believe I deserve an A. Sometimes stress and procrastination out weight your desire to achieve and this wonky makes it worse. Why put in the effort if you don't have to?
Delightful Darkness imagine having to compete for honors and scholarships against people who took "no stress" classes while you busted your ass for an A. I probably wouldn't appreciate the policy as much if I wasn't in that class
It's sad. I can understand designing the test to take half the time allotted to give ample time for slower test takers. Even allowing open note/book tests depending on how it's written because you need a understanding of the material to find what you need and even sifting through unlimited resources is a skill on its own. Everything else, utter horse manure
Instead of having everyone get angry over it, the should just have the Olympics then after it have an e-Olympics for video games that are competitive. Easy fix for both sides.
I think the E-olympics is a great Idea. At the end of the day I don't think even chess is in the olypics yet - I read that they applied to be in the 2020? But yeah, the point of the Olympics is that they are amateurs that haven't yet turned pro, and it's also supposed to promote sport and sportyness around the world. Realistically the reasons they want to include Esports is because of the $$$, and the sport is growing very rapidly organically... well not really organically as it's being driving by billion dollar hardware and software companies, but yeah, it's got a lot of attention already. I personally wouldn't be offended, or even really... anything if it was added to the olympics tbh, but when you can only fit so many events in an olympics, I wouldn't be rooting for it's inclusion personally; there's just so many other sports that have so little awareness and funding that would benefit more from the publicity boost. To my mind its more important to have the Olympics and the Paralympics merge into just one Olympics period that mixes both events, rather than have the Paralympics suffer less TV revenue and awareness by coming after the main Olympic showcase ends. Adding the Esports should be on their list, but surely its nowhere near the top of important things to add or change in the Olympics right now.
Oh shit I forgot to go to class this entire year... "Yo Professor, my dude, I was super stressed about this class can I get an A? Actually lets make it a B so it looks like I wasn't perfect but still tried. Thanks!" LOL
Nolls Nook I had open note and open book tests before, but not open computer. I did computer tests before but I never liked it. Someone could always search up all the correct answers
Master of Mundus for real. I had so many profs that took themselves and their garbage intro to whatever class way too seriously. This kinda sounds refreshing
there are A LOT of professors like this but it is designed for you to finish the test with an A in half the time you are given for a person who KNOWS the material like the TA's and the Proffesor themselves. BUT open book notes and computer is given usually because the teachers are confident that you can't pass even with open notes if you haven't paid attention... though the way a lot of it was worded beyond that was very leisurely but honestly how many of you remember what is taught after the class you remember more of the basics so he is testing that also isn't that bad to me it could make a point of how much BS you are forced to memorize til the test is over but it should also be made a point of how much people pay for courses that are forced or unneeded..
I love esports, I do, but the Olympics is a human tradition that goes back to the ancient Greeks. It was made to show off the best humanity has to offer, physically speaking. If we wanted a global competition for esports, and trust me I do, we should create one that includes not only that of video games, but other sports that require more mental capacity and less physical prowess (lets say chess, poker, billiards, etc.), and create a new, global event based on that. A sort of mind Olympics if you will. That way, we can celebrate both the people who train their body and their mental capacity.
Juan Alvarado, if you really have that much of a problem with Esports, just don't watch them. I don't grumble on about how I don't like football or whatever because I just don't watch it and don't bother people about it. If you and enough other people don't watch the Esports then the Olympics will realize that not enough people are watching them to warrant keeping them in the games.
+Sea Hitler You didn't even read what he said did you? He's open to E-Sports he just considers the Olympics to be based on a specific practice and that if we start putting in mental games as global sports we should create a mental sport only version of the Olympics.
Honestly, the class policy that professor had in action sounds like the ultimate dream of every single university student out there. Because if you're looking for an overstressed, emotionally exhausted, and completely cracking human being you just need to walk onto a university campus and you will find many. But that is how university works, you have to work your ass off.
Do you understand that students are over-stressed, over-worked, and emotionally exhausted, but you just... accept that...? And don’t think that maybe we should try to change a system that’s clearly not functioning as it should?? It doesn’t have to be like this, you know? The professor went way too far, but trying to reduce stress in principle is completely admirable.
I find myself actually agreeing with the Open Notes policy, but obviously not to the caliber of that professor. (open laptop? what the actual fuck!) I just don't think it makes sense in a transition from School to Work. An employer would want you to use every resource you have to make sure the Job gets done right the first time. I had a Math Teacher (Grade 11) who would give us a 3x5 Notecard the day before the test and would let us write notes on it. That was the only notes/help we were allowed to use on the test. And as someone who isn't the best at math these really helped me both with getting a good grade on the test AND with actually learning the material.
I personally disagree with the professor's take on stress reduction policy, but I kind of see his point: you are the one who are responsible for your future, you do your thing, if you want a easy way out, do it, see how far it can take you. it's a very twisted way of setting up a huge lesson
While a lot of his policy is crazy I actually agree that tests should be open book. Tests should test your application of a subject not your memory of it. My biggest issue with modern education is that most kids don't actually retain what they are learning. They cram and cram for tests and then once the test is done the information is out of their heads. Plus open book tests don't help you as much as you think. If you go into a test knowing absolutely nothing you waste all your time looking up information.
This. In almost every high level science course you're given so many formulas it would be ridiculous to need to memorize every single one, and during tests you're generally given a formula sheet of the needed material. And yet this doesn't make the classes easy, if you don't do your own work you won't do well in them either.
I only take classes that require some sort of calculation or programming or something but the reason they don't allow open book is that often even if the numbers are different the method is very similar so you would just be copying down an example solution from the book without thinking or solving anything. Then again, I see the argument that the prof could just tweak a couple things to mess with people who aren't thinking. In most cases, I don't think open book would even help me since they give you the formulas you need in almost all cases.
Bravo on your winning vs losing speech. I actually grew up in a house with enough money to have everything I need provided for me and a relatively easy upbringing. Now at 30 years old, I have a really hard time motivating myself to be independent and my competitive nature is almost non-existent. I hate the victim mentality because it reminds me of my younger self and how I used that to make excuses to not try hard as I grew up and now I'm an unmotivated adult and it sucks. I've had to parent myself into wanting to win and trying again even if I lose because I never had that trained into me as a child. I envy people who had loving stern parents, or even people who had to live through something really hard because of how they can maneuver through life intact and still succeed. I'll get there someday, that's what I am trying to "win" at right now, but I really wish I had figured it out before now. Keep raising your kid that way, he'll thank you for it later.
Anxiety attacks are, from presonal experience, terrible things and, yes, tests could provoke it. Although schools should take this into so consideration, allowing a student the ability to demand a new score and/or grade is going way too far. Students, or kids in general, must take failure and look at it as, not a sign to give up, but a sign to try harder next time.
As a currently serving USAF Airman, I could honestly care less what this guy does with his gym. Military members have free gyms on base so, it's not too much of an issue. Not to mention that the group's that are displeased with us will always be there. If they choose to collect and express their opinions(As wrong as they may be), good. That is what I signed up for. To give them the right to tell me to fuck off. Just like I can to them.
I think he was being sarcastic!!! He was probably tired of hearing the nonsense from students, parents, and administration, so, he designed the course to meet the needs of the students and parents that are always looking for the short-cut to success.
Open note, open book, open computer is a perfectly sound policy, and _all_ tests should have to be like this. There's little point to memorization nowadays, when information is so easily accessed and stored. I'd rather students be tested on how well they can procure new information and organize old one in an efficient matter, than having them be evaluated on how well they can temporarily memorize random bits of information. Being able to just "leave" group work without saying anything is stupid, though. There's nothing wrong with leaving a group work, and it's fine if there's little or no punishment for it, but that should happen _after_ there's a dialogue between the person and the group, or at the very least a notification. Likewise, leaving only positive comments about presentations in class is a very counter-productive policy. If someone is so delicate that they can't take constructive criticism if it's not 100% positive, there's barely any point in having them take any coursework because they will never amount to anything.
i completely agree with you- open book, open note sounds fair to me (and this was a business course, not, say, a medical course where memorization would later be important on the field)...but the idea of being able to basically email your instructor and request a new grade of your choosing, no questions asked, really isn't the best policy. this professor seems really idealistic, like he seems to think that no one will take advantage of this system. as much as grading can often be unfair, it is really the only scale we have atm to reflect the amount of work, effort, skill, etc. someone put into a course. it wouldn't be fair for someone who earned an A and someone who requested an A to look equally qualified on paper
ppaaccoojrf Generally, given the time constraints you won't do well in an open book if you're not well prepared. I don't agree that everything should be open book; low level should be memorised in my opinion as that'll give you the ability to expand on your knowledge without constantly looking back to the basics.
True. Memorization should be used during a recap of the classroom's material. I had the worst memorization problems in college, especially broadcasting. Like how tf am I supposed to memorize 20 different lens gels
+Christiana Wilburn In no way did I ever endorse the "free change of grades" policy. I didn't mention it because I'm very lukewarm towards it. Grades in a single subject barely mean anything to anyone else that is not you, as bad grades are supposed to show you your deficits and good grades supposed to be positive feedback for doing the right thing. Even if someone were to e-mail in order to get a free change of grades, they would still be aware of their actual grade and they should still know where they are lacking. Of course, the problem arises when someone graduates without having the required qualifications to work in the field, but in general, incompetent people will find their way out of jobs easily enough on their own so I believe it is less of an issue than fostering bad social skills on people that could actually be competent on the field they're studying at. +Sybrand Botes That's exactly my point. Open book stuff is useless for people that don't understand the material if the test has been designed well. Also, anyone competent enough to be successful in the field would probably recognize what aspects of it are worth memorizing (or used commonly enough that they would get remembered through sheer repetition anyway), so I think that concern is a non-issue.
One thing that memorization tests do is teach you how to remember diverse, often arbitrary knowledge and then recall that knowledge under pressure. It's a skill, and test-taking helps you learn it. I've actually had to use this skill many times in my current job - sometimes, due to office politics, technical failures, or time crunches, you simply can't look something up in that moment. If you crumble under the pressure, you fail at your job. Having said that, whether or not this is a skill you need depends on what kind of education you're getting, and what you intend to do with it. For example, I find it useful because I have a political science degree and do work around policies and governance. My work is political and interpersonal, and there are times when I can't peruse Google or my notebook for an answer. I need to recall information quickly so I can act on it immediately. My mom, on the other hand, recently did some training to work at a call centre, and they had open-book exams. When you work for a call centre, you can always put a client on hold while you look something up, pass them to your superior, or access a help network to get answers. The important thing in that job isn't recalling knowledge, because there's simply too much knowledge to possibly cram it all into your head anyways. They need to learn where information is kept, how to find it quickly, how to successfully relay it back to the client, and who to ask for help, and they need to show they have that skill before they can start doing real work. Therefore, it makes way more sense for them to have open book exams.
Coming from a kid who's still in school, I personally believe that the education system in the US (and in other countries) is flawed and inefficient in many ways, especially since its structure is built on tests and evaluations that usually aren't the best at helping a student learn. It also often causes unjustified emotional stress on students. However, this professor's "solution" is far from the right way to solve the problem.
Mitchell Ahn the fact that it focuses on tests doesn't matter, it's all about the mindset of students. Asians are smarter, blacks are dumber, and whites are somewhere in the middle
Ikr, the other day in world history this girl asked if Spain was a continent and another kid thought Japan was next to Ireland. These are high school students, i can't even understand how you can be that clueless.
I completely agree. I had a chemistry class where I would do terribly on every test because of test anxiety, however all my homework and lab assignments received grades above 90 . Even though I knew the concepts and could apply the information in the lab setting the tests just tripped me up because of the stress. I ended up with a high C because of the way portions of the class were weighted. My professor would not give me any slack at all even when I felt some of my written responses deserved partial credit. The professor at UGA was being ridiculous, but the education system is flawed. Many professors just don't care beyond showing up to teach and then grading assignments, if that, because TAs are a thing.
I am so glad I'm not the only parent who does this with my son. You guys are wonderful parents! I love all of your channels and believe fully in your future!! We are blessed to have you in our lives sir!
I applaud your point of view, I am a software tester up here in Canada and we have a saying "Testing leads to failure. failure leads to knowledge! ". yeah you can use that. and Canada loves your face.
Meh. If chess isn't something you can play at the Olympics, I don't think video games should either. I'm all for an eSports Olympics, but I don't think eSports should be part of our regular Olympics.
When the sign said "no fucking cops" I initially thought they meant you couldn't have intercourse with cops lol. That confused the hell out of me and took me a second to figure what it really meant.
As a student at the University of South Alabama, I'm appalled at the policies set by this professor. If my network administration professor had the same policies, morally I would not feel mentally or physically equipped for the profession.
Joshua Gubka Haha. The letter grade is not even a factor in my education as long as I am passing. I'm more concerned about the basin of knowledge that I accumulate from the class/professor itself and how I can apply it to the real world. 👍
jonah sarfati Well it's a good thing it was only a business class (did anyone actually find out what level of classes these were even for?) and not post-grad/medical school.
Sports that require mental ability but not so much physical ability should have their own Olympics. The Olympics have always been for physical sports, and there are already so many mental sports that have international competitions. Why not just create one massive Brain Olympics. Obviously it needs a better name, but I know I'd watch it.
As a military veteran, I can attest that there is a culture in the military, one which likely extends somewhat into local law enforcement. I think it's totally fine if someone wants to create a space where that culture isn't allowed to become dominant. The guy's comments were a bit over the top. The fact that the US police effectively serve as public paid mercenaries for corporations isn't on them. It's on the politicians who draft and maintain the laws that serve corporate interests. Police uphold the law (ideally), not decide what the law is. The owner of the gym almost certainly wants to live in a lawful society, and should take his beef up with the people creating the laws, not the people putting their lives on the line to uphold them. All that said, I totally respect that an independent business establishment should be able to choose its clientele. I think the idea of 'protected categories' is potentially useful when trying to offset particular grievances committed by employers, but I don't think that businesses should be forced to include clientele for any reason unless they are the primary purveyor of some basic human need. For instance, grocery stores, water companies, power companies, etc. Gyms aren't a human need. Even if all the existing gyms in Atlanta decided not to serve cops, this would merely create a really great niche for someone interested in opening a gym.
My dad's best friend who is pretty much like an uncle to me is an African American cop who is very liberal and grew up in the inner city. My dad also grew up in the inner city. My dad used to own a cafe/bar. One night, there were two girls who had left the bar and were walking down the street. My dad's friend was riding his police bike past the bar and saw one of the girls get pulled into a car by a human trafficker. The girl's friend had grabbed her ankles just in time to pull her back out of the car. My dad's friend rode his bike as fast as he could and apprehended the men who tried to pull the girl in the car. He saved someone's life that night. I'm not saying all police are good, but I am saying that not all police are bad.
I honestly think that the professor in the first story is probably fed up with dealing with whining students complaining about their grades. At least that's what it sounded like to me. There is no way that he thought that policy would actually fly. I recently graduated with my undergrad and honestly dealing with my classmates and hearing about how things were "unfair" when a professor wouldn't change their grade amongst other things was one of the worst parts of my college experience.
senorbaconhawk11 exactly what I thought, I've dealt with classmates who were the same way. I've just completed my first year teaching, and it gets frustrating teaching kids who don't care to learn the subject. Granted they are required to come to school, I can imagine that at the college level you would expect adults to put forth effort and get the most out of the class, esp since they are paying for it. He probably was fed up with students not wanting to try and then getting upset when they don't get an A
Agreed. I was in my top level zoology class last semester and I had so many fellow classmates bitch to me about an excellent professor because he was "hard". All they had to do was study his notes once in a while. Easiest A I got.
the assumption that he wasn't serious about the policy exists because you're scared that he might have been. and here's the thing, people are dumber than you expect, when dealing with certain people, your expectations can never be low enough.
0:00 Stupid stress policy 4:55 Today in Awesome 6:16 Kylie Jenner Sales 6:47-7:12 Phil talks about a massive gold Ray J penis (idek) 7:17 DO5 update 8:23 eSports in Olympics? 10:25 Cops banned from a gym
Mac Mcpeak I would .😂 I can't just sit in class and not do anything even if the class isn't a requirement. I need a challenge lol even though I get stressed easily I appreciate the challenge
As far as the Barbell Club goes... I'm reminded of the Christian bakery who wanted to refuse service to a gay couple and ended up not being allowed to. In my opinion, I believe any business owner (excluding hospitals) should be allowed to refuse service to ANYONE they see fit (eg: no shoes, no shirt, no service). Do I agree with Chambers position on the matter? Absolutely not. People died to give him the right to do what he's now doing. However, I think it's under his jurisdiction (for lack of a better word) to decide who is and who's not allowed into his place of establishment.
Kangaroo Shorts that barbell guy will be one of the first people to complain about trump banning transpeople from the military while throwing eggs at the military and calling them trash. He makes me sick to my stomach but alas I do agree with you.
I kind of agree. I wouldn't refuse service to anyone just for their sexuality...but if someone doesn't want to make you a cake because you're gay...just go to another fucking place and spread the word. The government shouldn't be involved in that.
Kangaroo Shorts true, nobody has the right to your services as they are yours and yours alone. You can refuse service to anybody you want, you may be more likely to fail as a business but nobody should be able to tell you who you have to serve
*I got one "D" in college as a finance major. I cried my eyes out, and I vowed to never let it happen again! From there on out I only received A's and B's for the balance of my time and graduated with a respectable 3.34 gpa. Lesson learned.*
I can just imagine Phil and his son playing something like basketball and then he just dunks on him and says, "That's what failure feels like loser."......just a weird thought(I do agree with phil)
K _rent At least they will probably have Fifa if eSports are added, and personally I would love to see a Pro Fifa Player tournament at the Olympics. I'm not saying that even though I've played FIFA a lot for a long time, but it's one of the highest video games in terms of skill level applied IMO. Takes so much time and effort to master the effective skill moves and everything OP that's in the game. Just watch players like #Tass, #Harry, Gorilla, etc.
The strategy is in guessing which decks will be popular and bringing the counter. So it's basically like playing one round of rock paper scissors. Skill only comes out over many rematches, but that's not how hearthstone tournaments are structured.
Just look at how much viewership Hearthstone gets everyday on twitch and even more during tournaments. Hearthstone is probably on of the top 10 most relevant games ever. When you hear Hearthstone, you know what game it is. Along with dota, csgo, overwatch, WoW, etc.
I am thinking that this professor was making a point with this document. I myself am a teacher and I took what he wrote as a smartass response to the way we feel administration and district heads try to and expect us to coddle students.
I love computer gaming but please keep E-sports out of the Olympics. I want the Olympics to remain a testament to physical accomplishments. There can be a separate "E-lympics" or something but. Chess isn't an Olympic sport, but its has some potential, but seeing guys playing Overwatch and grouping them with athletes like Michael Phelps and Usain Bolt just feels wrong.
ye that was like the only policy that i could agree with, like... if your group members are useless, then leave. but if they're helpful and you guys get stuff done together, then go for it!
I agreed with this part of the policy because sometimes you do all the work and people with social anxiety (me) have a hard time in group projects, especially when we don't know anyone
I can understand open book/laptop for certain programs, on the condition that there is a tight time limit. In life you don't need to know everything off the top of your head, as long as you know how to find what you're looking for.
Tofu Drift Van absolutely. And it makes far more sense for it to be that way too, the audiences are far different and if you separated the two there could be an Olympic type event every year which is even more profitable
This takes babying students to a new level. I'm an engineering major aiming for a minor in both math and physics, stress is my life. Students need to learn to deal with stress and not to take the easy way out.
Both billiard and sharpshooting are legitimate Olympic sports. If billiard is an official Olympic sport, which is athletically just about standing next to a table and poking balls with a stick, then E-Sports might be as well.
Yes! Just like the X-Games when that was first started. Now many years later some of those sports have been accepted into the Olympics. And I question the actual physical activity of e-sports. I dunno, just doesn't seem like an Olympic sport when you compare it to something like gymnastics.
I was actually on board with the first story until he got to the group stuff and started going totally off the deep end. But open book tests are something I absolutely agree with. People do not solve problems in the real world by locking themselves in a room with zero resources and talking to no one. In the real world, when we forget something like "Ahh, is that word spelled with an a or an e?" or "Was that a plus or a minus sign in that equation?" we just look it up. I see a lot of people arguing against this, saying that a student could just Google the answers to all of the questions. Perhaps this is true in some courses... but honestly that just means the course was a joke to begin with, imo. If you truly believe that you can just Google all the answers without having actually learned the material, then please, come take one of my astrophysics exams. Open book, open internet... you have two hours. Good luck. I guarantee the scores of those without knowledge of the material will not even come close to the scores of people who have studied and learned the relevant concepts.
What people tend to forget about open book tests: They are usually *a lot* harder than those where you can only bring a pen. Because the prof knows that you can look up all the easy stuff. Also, having half a dozen books or even the internet for help won't save you from failing if you don't know where to immediately find what you need or search quickly, because you'll be wasting valuable time reading through stuff during the test when you should have done that beforehand as preparation. I have profs who allow two or four pages (depends on the profs) of hand-written notes for tests and to me, that's a really good thing. Because to write those notes, I have to go through all the stuff we did that semester again, I have to think how to arrange it optimally on the pages (sometimes group stuff that was several lectures apart) - and when I'm sitting in the test, I know exactly which page and which position I put the formula I need right now, even if I don't remember the formula itself. Open internet, on the other hand, would be a death sentence to me, because I'd start looking something up, get distracted, go on a Wikipedia spree and suddenly time's over.
Shiny Rayquazza in my university, most of our tests and exams are open book and we can look stuff online too. It's a lot more realistic and my school emphasizes using technology to our advantage. It helps a lot but it definitely doesn't guarantee an A.
Shiny Rayquazza I definitely agree with you here, yes you need general knowledge, but there are so many specifics you can just look up the formula. The real world allows you to use resources to figure stuff out.
I have some proffesors in my university do this too. Open books, acess to internet. But they also give us very strict time limit to complete it. So you can!t simply never look at that material during entire course and then think that you can search up everything in last minute.
I agree with you for the most part but as it pertains to the story, the professor said he would not be putting the harder material on the tests. I agree that open book tests are usually super hard and the book is almost useless but when the professor said he wouldn't be making it difficult that's where I drew the line. School shouldn't be based on how well you remember something so using notes is great but you still have to challenge the students. I also think that group work is essential. I hated working in groups when I went through high school and especially college, but people need to learn people, leadership, and cooperative skills; they should not be allowed to just opt out of group projects.
3:10 - 4:18 the best quote ever. Everyone should understand this. Failure may break and melt you down like a broken pot in an oven, but once the pot gets out it gets stronger. The more its broken, beaten down and melted, it may one day become a beautiful diamond. People don't realize that if others accomplished what you wish to accomplish it is possible. You can be a movie star, you can be a doctor, you can be an interpreter. You just have to work hard for it, and overcome all the failures you stumble upon. We need more positivity on earth ❤
When I was around 6-7 years old my mom signed me up for competitive swimming. I was under the impression I was a good swimmer, I was told I was a good swimmer by my mother and coach. At the end of the season I received a trophy, there was a whole ceremony and everything. The trophy I received as well as the other kids in my age group was small, in fact, the smallest of the trophies. I noticed the older kids, around 10-16, got bigger trophies and I asked my mother why I had a small trophy... She told me that I and all the kids my age received Participation Trophies! Even at that age, I threw that trophy right into the fucking garbage because I knew it meant absolute shit...
Should we blame the kids for receiving those trophies, or the instructors for handing them out? The answer is the kids. We should always blame millennials for all our social woes. Just like the Jews.
JEFFREY Well, that's just utter fucking bullshit... Earning the bigger trophies through competition stimulates the drive and need to be better than your current state. Life is what you make it buddy. But hey, most people are content with mediocrity.
In my freshman year of college, I was taking a general studies Psychology class, and all but one of the tests were online... even the final exam... and people _still_ managed to fail the class.
Why not make it all open book? 95% of the shit that they make us take (that they make us go into crippling debt to take) is completely irrelevant to our degree and usually to life outside of school in general.
Honestly, my biggest concern regarding eSports in the olympics is that they are not a set event like shot-put or swimming, they are based around products that are privately produced and made to make a profit. Nobody is making money off skateboarding being put in the 2020 olympics (at least not directly) but if you placed a game like FIFA in, then the games producer, EA, will get insane marketing off that. And that's ignoring what console/OS is being used. Basically, wouldn't putting video games made by private companies into such a massive, worldwide event be creating economic favoritism towards those games and companies?
Archery shows favoritism towards archery products. Soccer towards any soccer brand and balls, golf exhibits gold attires. Equestrian favors better breeds of horses. shooting--> better guns. Tennis --> better rackets the players use. The list goes on and on. It is all one BIG advertisement for companies.
I absolutely agree... In regards to the followup comments, the issue here is ANYONE can make Bows or Arrows... ANYONE can make any tool/equipment piece used in ANY current Olympic event. Whereas, with eSports, ONLY EA can create FIFA. While I see eSports as a legitimate sport TYPE... I do not agree that it should be put into the Olympics. Those that are pushing for it to be included, isn't for the recognition for the players... Its purely for profit... Greed.
While I think having e-sports in the Olympics is a good thing, I have to say that putting hearthstone in there is stupid. Luck decides half of the games, even in the highest ranks and tournaments. It would devalue the Olympics as well as e-sports at large and that comes from someone who played the game for two years.
I am an avid Dota player and I would rather see LoL instead of Hearhstone. They may put hearthstone in because its a different type of game though. Hearthstone is a card game, Dota a moba, sc2 a rts, and Fifa a sport game. That could be their reasoning.
When I first started listening, I had the knee-jerk reaction that tests are stupid and you're able to look up answers in real life so why not during a school test? Then I thought about it a little more... I was reminded of when I saw a talk by astronaut Chris Hadfield, and he told a story about having to fix a toilet - a complex, difficult, and urgent affair in zero gravity. During audience question time, someone got sassy and asked why you need to waste time getting a PhD just to go to space and fix a broken toilet. Hadfield explained that because it's so expensive and dangerous to go out there, only a limited number of people can go at one time, so they need to be able to do a little bit of everything - plumbing, electrical, medicine, mechanics, engineering, math, physics, communications, botany, piloting, you name it. They get a ton of intensive training to fill any gaps in their knowledge before they're allowed to get in a rocket, and they're able to succeed at that training because of their university education. It teaches you how to learn and remember vast amounts of diverse information, and successfully recall it under stress. It teaches you different types of creative problem-solving. This professor's syllabus squashes all of that. Even in lower-stakes jobs, those skills are still needed. I'm still in the entry-level position I first got right out of university about 4 years ago, and even in this position, in that short amount of time, I've had situations where I had to recall information under stress, because for whatever reason I wasn't able to pause and look it up. I've also had situations where I've tried to look up the answer, but no answer existed to the problem I was faced with, and I had to get creative. Someone who just did a bit of reading on their own and waltzed into my job wouldn't have been up to the task. This is what stressful exams and annoying group projects are for. It's practice for similar shitty situations later in life. It's why higher responsibility positions tend to be reserved for university graduates - because they've practised, developed, and proven those skills. If you don't get that training, then what's the real value of going to university?
I don't think I'd want to be operated on by a heart surgeon who got his degree because he tried his best but learning how the human body functions is just really really hard
On the first story i have to say that yes this professor went way too far with this imposed reforms. Although i agree that people should be graded on what they produce as work, and that the fruits of their labor should be fair, there is a huge issue with our education system. Tests are not effective in what they try to prove. You take a test, and its to show that you know how to do question 1 with information from source, and give answer that is correct. Time and time again tests have been shown to not measure educational quality. Phil im not certain if you have participated in higher education, but im certain you have finished your primary and secondary schooling. Do you clearly and functionally remember a lot of the stuff you were taught? maybe some of it, but maybe not most of it. That right there shows you there is an issue with the educational system, if students only learn to pass the test, and then lose all the information years, or even weeks after the test. Then why were they tested so harshly, and possibly given a crazy amount of anxiety and stress over something they wont even remember. I get your point that not everyone is a winner, and to win you have to try hard. Education isnt as simple as that, if you want people in general to be more intelligent, and more educated you have to make sure they are actually retaining the information that was given to them. So to wrap it up, i do think this professor went way to far with his ideas, but it shows that at least some people are rethinking the way people should be taught. Why is that some students show huge promise in class, are engaged and active, but for some reason fail a test. you'd say "well they didnt study enough" id wager that the intelligent engaged student did study, and probably is stressed beyond human capacity to take this test. Why is that better? All im saying is that we need to rethink education, we are still using a system that evolved in Prussia in late 1700s and early 1800s.
An open book exam is no laughing matter, a lot of very legit physical sciences and engineering courses are open book/all notes/all documentation. I took a few and they where actually the most difficult exams I ever had. The book and the documentation was actually hindering you. I never done any open computer exam unless it was actually coding on a no internet connection computer. I once had a take home 24h final where the average was something like 40% . I also heard stories of no time limit exams in the 60-70s. Apparently most where done way before 20-24h The policy does look like that guy's trolling though. -
A regressive Potato I agree on the open book being fine, I had a class where every test was closed books and I aced all of them but the final ended up being open book and I only managed a B+, while not bad was definitely lower than my average by far. Similar situation happened in another class where we were allowed a single note card
I have done open book exams and they were not double time length. I can say that those of us who didn't need to refer to the book because we had been to class, taken notes and done our revision passed with excellent grades. Whereas those who had to use the books and notes, because they hadn't bothered to learn the subject, failed. We weren't allowed to pick our own grade either. Those of us who knew the subject through hard work could use the books to double check quotes, dates, etc, if we had time at the end (when we were checking through after we had finished answering). These were not easy exams and the books couldn't be used to look up the answers - you had to know the subject before you start or you failed. That is what a good "open book" exam is. Your have to know your subject to pass a true open book exam, because the books and notes won't really help if you don't.
It looks like that portion of the syllabus was a sarcastic commentary on the ridiculous students that keep popping into the news. Rather than actually giving the students A's for no work, I think he was ridiculing students for blaming their failures on others and their inability to manage stress.
I agree that that is what it sounds like, but you'd think he'd have fessed up by now. on the other hand even with the left where it is right now that still seems a bit ridiculous (imo)
sillyking1991 that makes total sense. But at the same time I feel like part of the satire would be ruined if he did admit it was sarcasm. The public commentary would have no affect after it was explained. On top of that, a lot of people would not believe him and see it as a Hail Mary to get out of the controversy. That, or I am looking way too deep into this for meaning!
Lowering the standards and requirements of an education is the best way of devaluing it. If you don't have to work your ass off for it, it's worthless.
+Cyraneth Vamaross He's not lowering the requirements of an education. You think a professor can do that? When they take their exam, if they've bs'ed their way though, they're failing. The grades they got in _class_ are irrelevant.
+ccaagg Did you not read what the professor set up for his class? The school had to shut his policy down. If they didn't catch that he would've been hardcore lowering requirements and those students would get away with it even after he was shut down.
100% agree with your thoughts on the everyone gets a trophy mentality! How can anyone disagree with this!? Having that mentality is a disservice to their kids! They are the future!
I am so excited about the possibility of esports becoming a part of the Olympics. As you said, it does take skill and utilizes reflexes and hand eye coordination. PS you sound like an amazing parent. Keep it up.
I agree, but I don't exactly hate the guy for his policy either. He's not wrong when he says all active military members serve capitalism. We live in a capitalist country, and in the country, that capitalism is strongly connected to white supremacy. As most people who are at the top, have and continue to be racist shit bags.
How do you figure white supremacy is linked to capitalism? Nazis were Socialists, the USSR were communists, the soldiers who stamped down both were Capitalists.
@lu cole ...you do realize that you're conflating a governmental-economic system with racial issues, right? That's like saying that Socialism and Communism are connected to white supremacy because most people who are at the top throughout history in those societies are racist shit bags. As if the idea's and concepts of how those system's works are in anyway connected to the beliefs of the people within those systems. If Darwin was racist and bigoted, would that mean Evolution is connected to white supremacy? And so therefore, scientist who are against white supremacy, should not allow the discussion of Evolution in their classroom and/or workspace?
I'm not really mad at the gym owner, but if you don't like capitalism you shouldn't own your gym. In other words, your employees should seize the means of gains
anthony mazy I don't think he said he supported socialism. He could just hate capitalism and just love mercantilism instead. (Though that's a 0.00000000000001%) possibility
I don't like how the definition of capitalism has been warped. Today you can't support capitalism without everyone assuming you're a fat cat 1-percenter...
anthony mazy it wound surprise me if he claimed to be super socialist but unless he admitted to that somewhere else, he never said he was in favor of communism. You can have staunch disagreements of capitalism and not be a socialist or communist.
I really think the professor's class policy from the first story is an interesting experiment more than anything. A lot of professor's do this, especially more experimental, pedagogically focused ones: running a class a certain way for a semester, then either scrapping the form of the class or changing bits and pieces large or small along the way. We have these ideas of discipline and understanding failure as necessary for the classroom, and while I would agree with that for the most part, I also think it could be a really interesting way to run a classroom; that is, complete focus on the personal interest to stay in the class, do the work, listen to the professor, etc. Of course the professor knows every student in his class could just skip everyday, write some shit, request an A and receive it without any work, but I would bet the professor is looking for students who are personally invested in the material and don't need Pavlov's tactics to work towards mastery. On a similar note, there are a lot of pedagogical scholars out there, both theoretical and practical (i.e. scholars in the education field within psychology disciplines) who have written essays upon essays questioning the actual need for A-F grading, stating that, especially with college students, they do not necessarily mean a mastery or total failure of the class, and therefore are at least somewhat and at most completely bunk. Really interesting stuff, and I would have to bet that the professor is merely doing the same except more physically and viscerally within his own classroom.
I don't think that the gym owner should ban cops and soldiers from the gym, but I think he is constitutionally allowed to do so. This is pretty much the exact same scenario as business owners refusing to serve gay people because of their religion. In both scenarios, the citizens can just stop giving said businesses money and encourage a boycott of said business.
I just imagined a possible ''Stress Reduction Policy'' back in my school days..... Teacher: ''Whats wrong boy?'' Me: ''I feel stressed sir.'' Teacher: Wallop, back hander to the back of the head, ''How about now? Still stressed? Need more stress relief?'' Me: Rubbing back of head, ''No sir, its all good now''
While I understand that this policy went waaay too far, I can sort of understand where it's coming from. So much of the whole education system creates unrealistic scenarios - in real life, in a job, you won't abstain from using books, outside help and Google to help you solve your problems. The goal of education shouldn't be to remember, it should be to understand. Granted, the whole grading thing was terrible and the rules were ultimately misguided.
Sure and when someone's dying in the operation table we will stop the surgery to google how to stitch an artery... come on people, i understand the use of books in SOME specific tests but 99% of the time it should not be allowed.
They'd probably just feel awkward having to lie about their work. Besides, if someone said, "Hey, if you're a cop, you can't come into my gym," and I was a cop,I'd just go to another gym.
I think its good and fine that ppl are trying to help others reduce their stress. However, this is a horrid way to do so. Group projects, (however awful they may be), are completely necessary for the growth of a student's mind. Learning how to deal and work with others is a skill that is incredibly important, not to mention what other skills group activities develop. Throwing that out the window is just silly.
but there will always have the 2 guys who make almost the entire group project. I see the stress too, but the lazy ones are the worst and need to have some reality check 😂
I think the teacher was really saying ( you paid to be here and learning is up to you) He was probably tired of students how didn't want to be there causing problems for those that did. His job is to teach a class not babysit.
I think that the professor had begun with a more strict code of conduct, but as time went on and more and more students came to him crying about their stress levels and the school telling him to back off a little. He came to the realization that no one gives a crap about his class and made these "rules" instead out of frustration.
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Totally don't agree with that professors policy.......but totally would love to be in his class
I can see getting rid of exams, I used to get so stressed about exams I'd either make myself sick or just blank, somehow I'd pass but it wasn't close to what I could really do. I've always felt in class and coursework is a better for gauging a person's ability, it still pushes you and there is still a certain level of stress (that's life for ya) but the extreme levels of stress and crap from exams is removed from the equation. Reducing stress is one thing but that professor's policy is too far in that direction, it missed the turning for Sensible Street and ran strait into Crazy Town XD
That's EXACTLY what I thought!
Kaylee Lamb me too
Kaylee Lamb I sucked at taking tests I always went blank
my exact thoughts
The only part that makes sense is the open note part. In the real world, you will have access to information.
My parents showed me what failure was when I was three. They held a mirror in front of me and didn't utter a word after.
I still don't understand.
Nick Kindler oh
Nick Kindler they were probably trying to tell you how can mirrors be real if our eyes aren't
Nick Kindler
I'm sorry to be the one to tell you but, they meant you were a failure.
Nick Kindler That's harsh.
Nick Kindler nice contradiction. you said your parents showed you what failure was by putting a mirror up to you but then said you still don't understand. Stop trying to meme so hard.
Most of my college exams are open book, internet and everything; some others you are allowed a single A4 page with formulas so you don't have to memorize it and I think its amazing because the questions are based on not only how much you can remember but how to apply what you have been taught.
As a college student I thoroughly enjoy that stress policy. But as a person who understands basic human development I think it's horse shit.
Delightful Darkness well, if people are still being taught and only the testing and grading are relaxed, it'd be the students' own fault for not learning anything..?
For getting a free A? Naw, devaluing degrees is a terrible idea.
Mary42877 sure you can put that responsibility on a student and by all means you should, but I also know how stressful it can get when you have 4 papers due the same week and how easy it would be to half ass it and tell my prof I believe I deserve an A. Sometimes stress and procrastination out weight your desire to achieve and this wonky makes it worse. Why put in the effort if you don't have to?
Delightful Darkness imagine having to compete for honors and scholarships against people who took "no stress" classes while you busted your ass for an A. I probably wouldn't appreciate the policy as much if I wasn't in that class
It's sad. I can understand designing the test to take half the time allotted to give ample time for slower test takers. Even allowing open note/book tests depending on how it's written because you need a understanding of the material to find what you need and even sifting through unlimited resources is a skill on its own. Everything else, utter horse manure
My professor won't even post their PowerPoint slides on blackboard
That's just being a dick tho
Haley U it's uni. You can take notes
Ульяна Никифорова fuck off
Angelique Tzanakakis but it's hard though...
Yal Rathol it's ok; you'll be fine.
I thought that whole policy was sarcasm i was waiting for a bad part or like a sike.
Karla Martinez yea I got it was sarcasm but I guess he didn't..
Ikr
Nathan Bonds -- Was it sarcasm, though? It was put in a syllabus ... Not really a thing you should be filling with jokes. .____.
Karla Martinez he's just a really nice guy. More professors need to be like him.
Same here haha. Probably the best social experiment to see how far he could go with it.
Instead of having everyone get angry over it, the should just have the Olympics then after it have an e-Olympics for video games that are competitive. Easy fix for both sides.
The equivalent of e-Olympics already exists, and it makes shit-loads of money. The Olympics want in on that dough!
I think the E-olympics is a great Idea.
At the end of the day I don't think even chess is in the olypics yet - I read that they applied to be in the 2020?
But yeah, the point of the Olympics is that they are amateurs that haven't yet turned pro, and it's also supposed to promote sport and sportyness around the world. Realistically the reasons they want to include Esports is because of the $$$, and the sport is growing very rapidly organically... well not really organically as it's being driving by billion dollar hardware and software companies, but yeah, it's got a lot of attention already.
I personally wouldn't be offended, or even really... anything if it was added to the olympics tbh, but when you can only fit so many events in an olympics, I wouldn't be rooting for it's inclusion personally; there's just so many other sports that have so little awareness and funding that would benefit more from the publicity boost.
To my mind its more important to have the Olympics and the Paralympics merge into just one Olympics period that mixes both events, rather than have the Paralympics suffer less TV revenue and awareness by coming after the main Olympic showcase ends. Adding the Esports should be on their list, but surely its nowhere near the top of important things to add or change in the Olympics right now.
Oh shit I forgot to go to class this entire year...
"Yo Professor, my dude, I was super stressed about this class can I get an A? Actually lets make it a B so it looks like I wasn't perfect but still tried. Thanks!"
LOL
Open book & open computer? Sounds like my kind of class.
Nolls Nook Hell yeah, shit teacher but I'd sign up for that class any day
Nolls Nook I had open note and open book tests before, but not open computer. I did computer tests before but I never liked it. Someone could always search up all the correct answers
Master of Mundus for real. I had so many profs that took themselves and their garbage intro to whatever class way too seriously. This kinda sounds refreshing
If that was on my syllabus every semester, I would have graduated already. ;[
there are A LOT of professors like this but it is designed for you to finish the test with an A in half the time you are given for a person who KNOWS the material like the TA's and the Proffesor themselves. BUT open book notes and computer is given usually because the teachers are confident that you can't pass even with open notes if you haven't paid attention... though the way a lot of it was worded beyond that was very leisurely but honestly how many of you remember what is taught after the class you remember more of the basics so he is testing that also isn't that bad to me it could make a point of how much BS you are forced to memorize til the test is over but it should also be made a point of how much people pay for courses that are forced or unneeded..
I love esports, I do, but the Olympics is a human tradition that goes back to the ancient Greeks. It was made to show off the best humanity has to offer, physically speaking. If we wanted a global competition for esports, and trust me I do, we should create one that includes not only that of video games, but other sports that require more mental capacity and less physical prowess (lets say chess, poker, billiards, etc.), and create a new, global event based on that. A sort of mind Olympics if you will. That way, we can celebrate both the people who train their body and their mental capacity.
Juan Alvarado im not a big fan of esports despite liking video games, but the whole "mind olympics" thing sounds like a great idea!
Juan Alvarado wow if darts and chess games why can't esport be one
Juan Alvarado, if you really have that much of a problem with Esports, just don't watch them. I don't grumble on about how I don't like football or whatever because I just don't watch it and don't bother people about it. If you and enough other people don't watch the Esports then the Olympics will realize that not enough people are watching them to warrant keeping them in the games.
+Sea Hitler
You didn't even read what he said did you? He's open to E-Sports he just considers the Olympics to be based on a specific practice and that if we start putting in mental games as global sports we should create a mental sport only version of the Olympics.
Juan Alvarado great idea omg
Honestly, the class policy that professor had in action sounds like the ultimate dream of every single university student out there. Because if you're looking for an overstressed, emotionally exhausted, and completely cracking human being you just need to walk onto a university campus and you will find many. But that is how university works, you have to work your ass off.
i agree with only open note and open book the other things are bull shit
Do you understand that students are over-stressed, over-worked, and emotionally exhausted, but you just... accept that...? And don’t think that maybe we should try to change a system that’s clearly not functioning as it should?? It doesn’t have to be like this, you know?
The professor went way too far, but trying to reduce stress in principle is completely admirable.
I find myself actually agreeing with the Open Notes policy, but obviously not to the caliber of that professor. (open laptop? what the actual fuck!) I just don't think it makes sense in a transition from School to Work. An employer would want you to use every resource you have to make sure the Job gets done right the first time. I had a Math Teacher (Grade 11) who would give us a 3x5 Notecard the day before the test and would let us write notes on it. That was the only notes/help we were allowed to use on the test. And as someone who isn't the best at math these really helped me both with getting a good grade on the test AND with actually learning the material.
In order to get your driver licences.. If you can start the car.....Here you go........"WTF?"
Great topic P.D..
I personally disagree with the professor's take on stress reduction policy, but I kind of see his point: you are the one who are responsible for your future, you do your thing, if you want a easy way out, do it, see how far it can take you. it's a very twisted way of setting up a huge lesson
While a lot of his policy is crazy I actually agree that tests should be open book. Tests should test your application of a subject not your memory of it. My biggest issue with modern education is that most kids don't actually retain what they are learning. They cram and cram for tests and then once the test is done the information is out of their heads. Plus open book tests don't help you as much as you think. If you go into a test knowing absolutely nothing you waste all your time looking up information.
Totally agree! As well as the idea that "in the real world" you are allowed and expected to look up things you don't know.
Melo there are a few exceptions, like history, but yeah that's why things like physics and math formula books exist
This. In almost every high level science course you're given so many formulas it would be ridiculous to need to memorize every single one, and during tests you're generally given a formula sheet of the needed material. And yet this doesn't make the classes easy, if you don't do your own work you won't do well in them either.
Yeah I don't have much of an issue with open book for the most part, but open computer is definitely way too much.
I only take classes that require some sort of calculation or programming or something but the reason they don't allow open book is that often even if the numbers are different the method is very similar so you would just be copying down an example solution from the book without thinking or solving anything. Then again, I see the argument that the prof could just tweak a couple things to mess with people who aren't thinking.
In most cases, I don't think open book would even help me since they give you the formulas you need in almost all cases.
Bravo on your winning vs losing speech. I actually grew up in a house with enough money to have everything I need provided for me and a relatively easy upbringing.
Now at 30 years old, I have a really hard time motivating myself to be independent and my competitive nature is almost non-existent. I hate the victim mentality because it reminds me of my younger self and how I used that to make excuses to not try hard as I grew up and now I'm an unmotivated adult and it sucks. I've had to parent myself into wanting to win and trying again even if I lose because I never had that trained into me as a child. I envy people who had loving stern parents, or even people who had to live through something really hard because of how they can maneuver through life intact and still succeed.
I'll get there someday, that's what I am trying to "win" at right now, but I really wish I had figured it out before now. Keep raising your kid that way, he'll thank you for it later.
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I agree 1000000% with what you said. Failure is a part of life. It also makes you appreciate the wins.
Anxiety attacks are, from presonal experience, terrible things and, yes, tests could provoke it.
Although schools should take this into so consideration, allowing a student the ability to demand a new score and/or grade is going way too far.
Students, or kids in general, must take failure and look at it as, not a sign to give up, but a sign to try harder next time.
Phil. You are such an amazing parent. Trey is going to grow into such an amazing person.
Nymphadora Tonks how do you know that?
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As a currently serving USAF Airman, I could honestly care less what this guy does with his gym. Military members have free gyms on base so, it's not too much of an issue. Not to mention that the group's that are displeased with us will always be there. If they choose to collect and express their opinions(As wrong as they may be), good. That is what I signed up for. To give them the right to tell me to fuck off. Just like I can to them.
Carter B this comment deserves a fucking like
I think he was being sarcastic!!! He was probably tired of hearing the nonsense from students, parents, and administration, so, he designed the course to meet the needs of the students and parents that are always looking for the short-cut to success.
Summer School is over. But with Philip Defranco, class is in session beautiful bastards.
Open note, open book, open computer is a perfectly sound policy, and _all_ tests should have to be like this. There's little point to memorization nowadays, when information is so easily accessed and stored. I'd rather students be tested on how well they can procure new information and organize old one in an efficient matter, than having them be evaluated on how well they can temporarily memorize random bits of information.
Being able to just "leave" group work without saying anything is stupid, though. There's nothing wrong with leaving a group work, and it's fine if there's little or no punishment for it, but that should happen _after_ there's a dialogue between the person and the group, or at the very least a notification. Likewise, leaving only positive comments about presentations in class is a very counter-productive policy. If someone is so delicate that they can't take constructive criticism if it's not 100% positive, there's barely any point in having them take any coursework because they will never amount to anything.
i completely agree with you- open book, open note sounds fair to me (and this was a business course, not, say, a medical course where memorization would later be important on the field)...but the idea of being able to basically email your instructor and request a new grade of your choosing, no questions asked, really isn't the best policy. this professor seems really idealistic, like he seems to think that no one will take advantage of this system. as much as grading can often be unfair, it is really the only scale we have atm to reflect the amount of work, effort, skill, etc. someone put into a course. it wouldn't be fair for someone who earned an A and someone who requested an A to look equally qualified on paper
ppaaccoojrf Generally, given the time constraints you won't do well in an open book if you're not well prepared. I don't agree that everything should be open book; low level should be memorised in my opinion as that'll give you the ability to expand on your knowledge without constantly looking back to the basics.
True. Memorization should be used during a recap of the classroom's material. I had the worst memorization problems in college, especially broadcasting. Like how tf am I supposed to memorize 20 different lens gels
+Christiana Wilburn
In no way did I ever endorse the "free change of grades" policy. I didn't mention it because I'm very lukewarm towards it. Grades in a single subject barely mean anything to anyone else that is not you, as bad grades are supposed to show you your deficits and good grades supposed to be positive feedback for doing the right thing. Even if someone were to e-mail in order to get a free change of grades, they would still be aware of their actual grade and they should still know where they are lacking.
Of course, the problem arises when someone graduates without having the required qualifications to work in the field, but in general, incompetent people will find their way out of jobs easily enough on their own so I believe it is less of an issue than fostering bad social skills on people that could actually be competent on the field they're studying at.
+Sybrand Botes
That's exactly my point. Open book stuff is useless for people that don't understand the material if the test has been designed well.
Also, anyone competent enough to be successful in the field would probably recognize what aspects of it are worth memorizing (or used commonly enough that they would get remembered through sheer repetition anyway), so I think that concern is a non-issue.
One thing that memorization tests do is teach you how to remember diverse, often arbitrary knowledge and then recall that knowledge under pressure. It's a skill, and test-taking helps you learn it. I've actually had to use this skill many times in my current job - sometimes, due to office politics, technical failures, or time crunches, you simply can't look something up in that moment. If you crumble under the pressure, you fail at your job. Having said that, whether or not this is a skill you need depends on what kind of education you're getting, and what you intend to do with it. For example, I find it useful because I have a political science degree and do work around policies and governance. My work is political and interpersonal, and there are times when I can't peruse Google or my notebook for an answer. I need to recall information quickly so I can act on it immediately. My mom, on the other hand, recently did some training to work at a call centre, and they had open-book exams. When you work for a call centre, you can always put a client on hold while you look something up, pass them to your superior, or access a help network to get answers. The important thing in that job isn't recalling knowledge, because there's simply too much knowledge to possibly cram it all into your head anyways. They need to learn where information is kept, how to find it quickly, how to successfully relay it back to the client, and who to ask for help, and they need to show they have that skill before they can start doing real work. Therefore, it makes way more sense for them to have open book exams.
You can't understand the value of winning without losing. I like your parenting style sir.
I like the sound of that class...
(Sits in corner looking up every test answer and avoiding social situations)
Ningen San same.
so glad to have a news outlet like phil that is for adults unlike dramaalert and scarce talking about jake paul and faze clan every day
Exactly! But, ehm, I still enjoy watching them all 😅😂
Adam K
Phil=News
Scarce and Keem=Drama
Simple
Adaeze E That's because they're drama channels. Not really comparable.
Baldur Óðinsson is there anyone who compares to phil? I've been looking for a while now and haven't found any other good "news" channels
Plz don't use emojis
Coming from a kid who's still in school, I personally believe that the education system in the US (and in other countries) is flawed and inefficient in many ways, especially since its structure is built on tests and evaluations that usually aren't the best at helping a student learn. It also often causes unjustified emotional stress on students. However, this professor's "solution" is far from the right way to solve the problem.
Mitchell Ahn What is the best way then to evaluate and test students?
Mitchell Ahn the fact that it focuses on tests doesn't matter, it's all about the mindset of students. Asians are smarter, blacks are dumber, and whites are somewhere in the middle
Ikr, the other day in world history this girl asked if Spain was a continent and another kid thought Japan was next to Ireland. These are high school students, i can't even understand how you can be that clueless.
I completely agree. I had a chemistry class where I would do terribly on every test because of test anxiety, however all my homework and lab assignments received grades above 90 . Even though I knew the concepts and could apply the information in the lab setting the tests just tripped me up because of the stress. I ended up with a high C because of the way portions of the class were weighted. My professor would not give me any slack at all even when I felt some of my written responses deserved partial credit. The professor at UGA was being ridiculous, but the education system is flawed. Many professors just don't care beyond showing up to teach and then grading assignments, if that, because TAs are a thing.
I feel like open book tests aren't bad as long as the students are only allowed to go through they're own notes
That story Phil told about teaching his son loss was perfect. I hope I can be as good a father as he is.
I am so glad I'm not the only parent who does this with my son. You guys are wonderful parents! I love all of your channels and believe fully in your future!! We are blessed to have you in our lives sir!
I face palm for so many of these stories every day
Phil, move your hands while talking in tomorrow's show if you or your family is in danger.
Amatthew123 foolproof!
Amatthew123 get shwifty
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MaxiPC they said hold that thought after some one said that already
MaxiPC I SECOND THIS
I applaud your point of view, I am a software tester up here in Canada and we have a saying "Testing leads to failure. failure leads to knowledge! ". yeah you can use that. and Canada loves your face.
Meh. If chess isn't something you can play at the Olympics, I don't think video games should either. I'm all for an eSports Olympics, but I don't think eSports should be part of our regular Olympics.
Rick Harris what i believe they were saying is have an Olympics but don't cross it in to the one containing the physical sports
Fair enough. Actual Olympics are going to shit, regardless. Nobody really gives a fuck about it anymore.
When the sign said "no fucking cops" I initially thought they meant you couldn't have intercourse with cops lol. That confused the hell out of me and took me a second to figure what it really meant.
Ęÿūį Æßñ no fucking cops! Only fuck firefighters!
Ęÿūį Æßñ exactly what I was thinking too lmaoo
Phrasing!
As a student at the University of South Alabama, I'm appalled at the policies set by this professor. If my network administration professor had the same policies, morally I would not feel mentally or physically equipped for the profession.
Joshua Gubka Haha. The letter grade is not even a factor in my education as long as I am passing. I'm more concerned about the basin of knowledge that I accumulate from the class/professor itself and how I can apply it to the real world. 👍
Kudos on teaching your son that losing is part of the process! I wish more parents/teachers/coaches would do the same.
What if a professor that teaches surgery did this, an unqualified student graduated, and actually went to perform a fucking heart surgery?
fuck you nazi
jonah sarfati Pretty sure it's just a business class
jonah sarfati Guess I should start background check on all my doctors,lol.
Gabreshaa *slow clap* either your a shitty troll or your debating skills need practice
jonah sarfati Well it's a good thing it was only a business class (did anyone actually find out what level of classes these were even for?) and not post-grad/medical school.
Sports that require mental ability but not so much physical ability should have their own Olympics. The Olympics have always been for physical sports, and there are already so many mental sports that have international competitions. Why not just create one massive Brain Olympics. Obviously it needs a better name, but I know I'd watch it.
Arun Mangrulkar Where would you put archery, curling, shooting, and similar sports
There shouldn't be any "protected classes". All individuals should have the same rights and protections under the law.
As a military veteran, I can attest that there is a culture in the military, one which likely extends somewhat into local law enforcement. I think it's totally fine if someone wants to create a space where that culture isn't allowed to become dominant. The guy's comments were a bit over the top. The fact that the US police effectively serve as public paid mercenaries for corporations isn't on them. It's on the politicians who draft and maintain the laws that serve corporate interests. Police uphold the law (ideally), not decide what the law is. The owner of the gym almost certainly wants to live in a lawful society, and should take his beef up with the people creating the laws, not the people putting their lives on the line to uphold them.
All that said, I totally respect that an independent business establishment should be able to choose its clientele. I think the idea of 'protected categories' is potentially useful when trying to offset particular grievances committed by employers, but I don't think that businesses should be forced to include clientele for any reason unless they are the primary purveyor of some basic human need. For instance, grocery stores, water companies, power companies, etc. Gyms aren't a human need. Even if all the existing gyms in Atlanta decided not to serve cops, this would merely create a really great niche for someone interested in opening a gym.
My dad's best friend who is pretty much like an uncle to me is an African American cop who is very liberal and grew up in the inner city. My dad also grew up in the inner city. My dad used to own a cafe/bar. One night, there were two girls who had left the bar and were walking down the street. My dad's friend was riding his police bike past the bar and saw one of the girls get pulled into a car by a human trafficker. The girl's friend had grabbed her ankles just in time to pull her back out of the car. My dad's friend rode his bike as fast as he could and apprehended the men who tried to pull the girl in the car. He saved someone's life that night. I'm not saying all police are good, but I am saying that not all police are bad.
Leah O'Connell your dad friend deserves a medal
Phil needs to be a guest on Hot Ones!!!
I honestly think that the professor in the first story is probably fed up with dealing with whining students complaining about their grades. At least that's what it sounded like to me. There is no way that he thought that policy would actually fly. I recently graduated with my undergrad and honestly dealing with my classmates and hearing about how things were "unfair" when a professor wouldn't change their grade amongst other things was one of the worst parts of my college experience.
senorbaconhawk11 exactly what I thought, I've dealt with classmates who were the same way. I've just completed my first year teaching, and it gets frustrating teaching kids who don't care to learn the subject. Granted they are required to come to school, I can imagine that at the college level you would expect adults to put forth effort and get the most out of the class, esp since they are paying for it. He probably was fed up with students not wanting to try and then getting upset when they don't get an A
Agreed. I was in my top level zoology class last semester and I had so many fellow classmates bitch to me about an excellent professor because he was "hard". All they had to do was study his notes once in a while. Easiest A I got.
senorbaconhawk11 I thought it was a joke, tbh. Especially the line about how the policy wouldn't actually help students learn.
senorbaconhawk11 man my thoughts exactly. he probably did it to show how ridiculous it sounds when students complain about school
the assumption that he wasn't serious about the policy exists because you're scared that he might have been. and here's the thing, people are dumber than you expect, when dealing with certain people, your expectations can never be low enough.
Is chess an Olympic sport? No? Well then.
I think it should though, I actually enjoy watching chess matches. Those people are crazy smart! That's mental gymnastics!
Chess has been recognized as a sport by the Olympic committee since 2000 and was on a shortlist for Tokyo I think
0:00 Stupid stress policy
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Honestly I agree with your "Learning to lose" parenting style, but if I had a teacher who let me pass without doing anything I wouldn't complain lol
Mac Mcpeak I would .😂 I can't just sit in class and not do anything even if the class isn't a requirement.
I need a challenge lol even though I get stressed easily I appreciate the challenge
As far as the Barbell Club goes... I'm reminded of the Christian bakery who wanted to refuse service to a gay couple and ended up not being allowed to.
In my opinion, I believe any business owner (excluding hospitals) should be allowed to refuse service to ANYONE they see fit (eg: no shoes, no shirt, no service). Do I agree with Chambers position on the matter? Absolutely not. People died to give him the right to do what he's now doing. However, I think it's under his jurisdiction (for lack of a better word) to decide who is and who's not allowed into his place of establishment.
Kangaroo Shorts that barbell guy will be one of the first people to complain about trump banning transpeople from the military while throwing eggs at the military and calling them trash. He makes me sick to my stomach but alas I do agree with you.
I came here to say pretty much this. Absolutely agree.
I kind of agree. I wouldn't refuse service to anyone just for their sexuality...but if someone doesn't want to make you a cake because you're gay...just go to another fucking place and spread the word. The government shouldn't be involved in that.
Kangaroo Shorts true, nobody has the right to your services as they are yours and yours alone. You can refuse service to anybody you want, you may be more likely to fail as a business but nobody should be able to tell you who you have to serve
The US did have that experiment of letting business refuse service to people by any way they wanted. 50 years ago. It did not go well
Love the parenting thoughts. Failure is an option, it’s how you recover from it that’s important. Everyone should experience it and work through it.
*I got one "D" in college as a finance major. I cried my eyes out, and I vowed to never let it happen again! From there on out I only received A's and B's for the balance of my time and graduated with a respectable 3.34 gpa. Lesson learned.*
love coley what? repeated it again plz
I don't see Why you put this in bold
I can just imagine Phil and his son playing something like basketball and then he just dunks on him and says, "That's what failure feels like loser."......just a weird thought(I do agree with phil)
Hearthstone in the Olympic is like awarding the person a medal for winning the lottery. They couldn't pick ANY other team related games???
it's about strategy, chess is strat, hearthstone is strat.
K _rent At least they will probably have Fifa if eSports are added, and personally I would love to see a Pro Fifa Player tournament at the Olympics. I'm not saying that even though I've played FIFA a lot for a long time, but it's one of the highest video games in terms of skill level applied IMO. Takes so much time and effort to master the effective skill moves and everything OP that's in the game. Just watch players like #Tass, #Harry, Gorilla, etc.
The strategy is in guessing which decks will be popular and bringing the counter. So it's basically like playing one round of rock paper scissors. Skill only comes out over many rematches, but that's not how hearthstone tournaments are structured.
I agree that Hearthstone is trash, and thus should be replaced by Plants vs. Zombies: Heroes.
Just look at how much viewership Hearthstone gets everyday on twitch and even more during tournaments. Hearthstone is probably on of the top 10 most relevant games ever. When you hear Hearthstone, you know what game it is. Along with dota, csgo, overwatch, WoW, etc.
I am thinking that this professor was making a point with this document. I myself am a teacher and I took what he wrote as a smartass response to the way we feel administration and district heads try to and expect us to coddle students.
I love computer gaming but please keep E-sports out of the Olympics. I want the Olympics to remain a testament to physical accomplishments. There can be a separate "E-lympics" or something but. Chess isn't an Olympic sport, but its has some potential, but seeing guys playing Overwatch and grouping them with athletes like Michael Phelps and Usain Bolt just feels wrong.
*Your grade will be based totally on non-group work*
PLEASE!!
I was forced to carry some people, doing group projects...
+Dodo Why not just remove their names from the group project? I've always removed them if they didn't do what they were asked to do without any pity.
ye that was like the only policy that i could agree with, like... if your group members are useless, then leave. but if they're helpful and you guys get stuff done together, then go for it!
The teacher is not doing their job correctly then. report them and get the teacher to change the grades.
i was the kid that did all the work and left the names on the projject
I agreed with this part of the policy because sometimes you do all the work and people with social anxiety (me) have a hard time in group projects, especially when we don't know anyone
DaddyOFive years
What is the maximum sentence for neglecting a minor in Maryland?
idk holy shit 😂😂😂
I can understand open book/laptop for certain programs, on the condition that there is a tight time limit. In life you don't need to know everything off the top of your head, as long as you know how to find what you're looking for.
E- Sports should not be in the Olympics, but there can be E-Olympics that would be totally cool!!
Tofu Drift Van absolutely. And it makes far more sense for it to be that way too, the audiences are far different and if you separated the two there could be an Olympic type event every year which is even more profitable
I'd love to have Phil as my dad.
James Anderson same he's a good supportive and discipline person
This takes babying students to a new level. I'm an engineering major aiming for a minor in both math and physics, stress is my life. Students need to learn to deal with stress and not to take the easy way out.
Can't believe that videogames will be olympic before skydiving/indoor skydiving.
I know this was 3 years ago, but how the fuck do you get points for falling out of the sky lol
@@hankyboy42594 style on em do the moon walk and shit
That policy was clearly sarcasm and he was just demonstrating to his university what the endgame of social justice type changes will be.
I think eSports should have their own Olympics, separate from the current Olympic Games. Just call it the E-lympics.
Yes
Both billiard and sharpshooting are legitimate Olympic sports.
If billiard is an official Olympic sport, which is athletically just about standing next to a table and poking balls with a stick, then E-Sports might be as well.
Saaeedur Rahman this will never happen any time soon but this should happen.
Yes! Just like the X-Games when that was first started. Now many years later some of those sports have been accepted into the Olympics. And I question the actual physical activity of e-sports. I dunno, just doesn't seem like an Olympic sport when you compare it to something like gymnastics.
I would fully agree with that, Have it seperate like the Summer and Winter Games
I was actually on board with the first story until he got to the group stuff and started going totally off the deep end. But open book tests are something I absolutely agree with. People do not solve problems in the real world by locking themselves in a room with zero resources and talking to no one. In the real world, when we forget something like "Ahh, is that word spelled with an a or an e?" or "Was that a plus or a minus sign in that equation?" we just look it up.
I see a lot of people arguing against this, saying that a student could just Google the answers to all of the questions. Perhaps this is true in some courses... but honestly that just means the course was a joke to begin with, imo.
If you truly believe that you can just Google all the answers without having actually learned the material, then please, come take one of my astrophysics exams. Open book, open internet... you have two hours. Good luck.
I guarantee the scores of those without knowledge of the material will not even come close to the scores of people who have studied and learned the relevant concepts.
What people tend to forget about open book tests: They are usually *a lot* harder than those where you can only bring a pen. Because the prof knows that you can look up all the easy stuff. Also, having half a dozen books or even the internet for help won't save you from failing if you don't know where to immediately find what you need or search quickly, because you'll be wasting valuable time reading through stuff during the test when you should have done that beforehand as preparation.
I have profs who allow two or four pages (depends on the profs) of hand-written notes for tests and to me, that's a really good thing. Because to write those notes, I have to go through all the stuff we did that semester again, I have to think how to arrange it optimally on the pages (sometimes group stuff that was several lectures apart) - and when I'm sitting in the test, I know exactly which page and which position I put the formula I need right now, even if I don't remember the formula itself.
Open internet, on the other hand, would be a death sentence to me, because I'd start looking something up, get distracted, go on a Wikipedia spree and suddenly time's over.
Shiny Rayquazza in my university, most of our tests and exams are open book and we can look stuff online too. It's a lot more realistic and my school emphasizes using technology to our advantage. It helps a lot but it definitely doesn't guarantee an A.
Shiny Rayquazza I definitely agree with you here, yes you need general knowledge, but there are so many specifics you can just look up the formula. The real world allows you to use resources to figure stuff out.
I have some proffesors in my university do this too. Open books, acess to internet. But they also give us very strict time limit to complete it. So you can!t simply never look at that material during entire course and then think that you can search up everything in last minute.
I agree with you for the most part but as it pertains to the story, the professor said he would not be putting the harder material on the tests. I agree that open book tests are usually super hard and the book is almost useless but when the professor said he wouldn't be making it difficult that's where I drew the line. School shouldn't be based on how well you remember something so using notes is great but you still have to challenge the students. I also think that group work is essential. I hated working in groups when I went through high school and especially college, but people need to learn people, leadership, and cooperative skills; they should not be allowed to just opt out of group projects.
3:10 - 4:18 the best quote ever. Everyone should understand this. Failure may break and melt you down like a broken pot in an oven, but once the pot gets out it gets stronger. The more its broken, beaten down and melted, it may one day become a beautiful diamond. People don't realize that if others accomplished what you wish to accomplish it is possible. You can be a movie star, you can be a doctor, you can be an interpreter. You just have to work hard for it, and overcome all the failures you stumble upon. We need more positivity on earth ❤
When I was around 6-7 years old my mom signed me up for competitive swimming. I was under the impression I was a good swimmer, I was told I was a good swimmer by my mother and coach. At the end of the season I received a trophy, there was a whole ceremony and everything. The trophy I received as well as the other kids in my age group was small, in fact, the smallest of the trophies. I noticed the older kids, around 10-16, got bigger trophies and I asked my mother why I had a small trophy... She told me that I and all the kids my age received Participation Trophies! Even at that age, I threw that trophy right into the fucking garbage because I knew it meant absolute shit...
Should we blame the kids for receiving those trophies, or the instructors for handing them out?
The answer is the kids. We should always blame millennials for all our social woes. Just like the Jews.
even if you got the other trophy it really doesnt mean anything. welcome to real life.
Trying hard since 2011!
JEFFREY Well, that's just utter fucking bullshit... Earning the bigger trophies through competition stimulates the drive and need to be better than your current state. Life is what you make it buddy. But hey, most people are content with mediocrity.
The slacker in me is in love with this policy, but I can see why it's not allowed.
Crazy how common sense is becoming so uncommon...God help us all.....
In my freshman year of college, I was taking a general studies Psychology class, and all but one of the tests were online... even the final exam... and people _still_ managed to fail the class.
Why not make it all open book? 95% of the shit that they make us take (that they make us go into crippling debt to take) is completely irrelevant to our degree and usually to life outside of school in general.
Honestly, my biggest concern regarding eSports in the olympics is that they are not a set event like shot-put or swimming, they are based around products that are privately produced and made to make a profit. Nobody is making money off skateboarding being put in the 2020 olympics (at least not directly) but if you placed a game like FIFA in, then the games producer, EA, will get insane marketing off that. And that's ignoring what console/OS is being used. Basically, wouldn't putting video games made by private companies into such a massive, worldwide event be creating economic favoritism towards those games and companies?
Archery shows favoritism towards archery products. Soccer towards any soccer brand and balls, golf exhibits gold attires. Equestrian favors better breeds of horses. shooting--> better guns. Tennis --> better rackets the players use. The list goes on and on. It is all one BIG advertisement for companies.
BubbaJems2 agree, why not just make esports olympics seperately.
Sandwich Anyone is free to make the skateboard whereas only EA can sell FIFA games.
I absolutely agree... In regards to the followup comments, the issue here is ANYONE can make Bows or Arrows... ANYONE can make any tool/equipment piece used in ANY current Olympic event. Whereas, with eSports, ONLY EA can create FIFA. While I see eSports as a legitimate sport TYPE... I do not agree that it should be put into the Olympics. Those that are pushing for it to be included, isn't for the recognition for the players... Its purely for profit... Greed.
BubbaJems2 do you think a single person that games doesn't know what any of those games are? It may be a slight marketing boost but nothing major.
While I think having e-sports in the Olympics is a good thing, I have to say that putting hearthstone in there is stupid. Luck decides half of the games, even in the highest ranks and tournaments. It would devalue the Olympics as well as e-sports at large and that comes from someone who played the game for two years.
darwin roessler EXACTLY they could at least put some games with skill like CSGO, FIFA, Madden, NBA 2k, LoL, and R6S
I am an avid Dota player and I would rather see LoL instead of Hearhstone. They may put hearthstone in because its a different type of game though. Hearthstone is a card game, Dota a moba, sc2 a rts, and Fifa a sport game. That could be their reasoning.
yeah thats insane. DOTA2, LOL, CS:GO? totally. Hearthstone? really?
You realize that was the list for the asian event, not the olympics, right? Those have yet to be decided, as esports' inclusion still isn't decided.
Mr. Man I don't see them adding CS more for the ESRB than anything else. Can't really go from beach volleyball to blowing off a dudes head!
When I first started listening, I had the knee-jerk reaction that tests are stupid and you're able to look up answers in real life so why not during a school test? Then I thought about it a little more... I was reminded of when I saw a talk by astronaut Chris Hadfield, and he told a story about having to fix a toilet - a complex, difficult, and urgent affair in zero gravity. During audience question time, someone got sassy and asked why you need to waste time getting a PhD just to go to space and fix a broken toilet. Hadfield explained that because it's so expensive and dangerous to go out there, only a limited number of people can go at one time, so they need to be able to do a little bit of everything - plumbing, electrical, medicine, mechanics, engineering, math, physics, communications, botany, piloting, you name it. They get a ton of intensive training to fill any gaps in their knowledge before they're allowed to get in a rocket, and they're able to succeed at that training because of their university education. It teaches you how to learn and remember vast amounts of diverse information, and successfully recall it under stress. It teaches you different types of creative problem-solving. This professor's syllabus squashes all of that. Even in lower-stakes jobs, those skills are still needed. I'm still in the entry-level position I first got right out of university about 4 years ago, and even in this position, in that short amount of time, I've had situations where I had to recall information under stress, because for whatever reason I wasn't able to pause and look it up. I've also had situations where I've tried to look up the answer, but no answer existed to the problem I was faced with, and I had to get creative. Someone who just did a bit of reading on their own and waltzed into my job wouldn't have been up to the task. This is what stressful exams and annoying group projects are for. It's practice for similar shitty situations later in life. It's why higher responsibility positions tend to be reserved for university graduates - because they've practised, developed, and proven those skills. If you don't get that training, then what's the real value of going to university?
I don't think I'd want to be operated on by a heart surgeon who got his degree because he tried his best but learning how the human body functions is just really really hard
On the first story i have to say that yes this professor went way too far with this imposed reforms. Although i agree that people should be graded on what they produce as work, and that the fruits of their labor should be fair, there is a huge issue with our education system. Tests are not effective in what they try to prove. You take a test, and its to show that you know how to do question 1 with information from source, and give answer that is correct. Time and time again tests have been shown to not measure educational quality.
Phil im not certain if you have participated in higher education, but im certain you have finished your primary and secondary schooling. Do you clearly and functionally remember a lot of the stuff you were taught? maybe some of it, but maybe not most of it. That right there shows you there is an issue with the educational system, if students only learn to pass the test, and then lose all the information years, or even weeks after the test. Then why were they tested so harshly, and possibly given a crazy amount of anxiety and stress over something they wont even remember.
I get your point that not everyone is a winner, and to win you have to try hard. Education isnt as simple as that, if you want people in general to be more intelligent, and more educated you have to make sure they are actually retaining the information that was given to them.
So to wrap it up, i do think this professor went way to far with his ideas, but it shows that at least some people are rethinking the way people should be taught. Why is that some students show huge promise in class, are engaged and active, but for some reason fail a test. you'd say "well they didnt study enough" id wager that the intelligent engaged student did study, and probably is stressed beyond human capacity to take this test. Why is that better? All im saying is that we need to rethink education, we are still using a system that evolved in Prussia in late 1700s and early 1800s.
An open book exam is no laughing matter, a lot of very legit physical sciences and engineering courses are open book/all notes/all documentation. I took a few and they where actually the most difficult exams I ever had. The book and the documentation was actually hindering you. I never done any open computer exam unless it was actually coding on a no internet connection computer.
I once had a take home 24h final where the average was something like 40% .
I also heard stories of no time limit exams in the 60-70s. Apparently most where done way before 20-24h
The policy does look like that guy's trolling though.
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Yeah, the open book stuff is no big deal to me. Open book exams were some of the hardest exams I had. Everything else though....
After looking the guy up and his RateMyProf profile. I really think he is taking the piss.
A regressive Potato Same here, took a class where about 30% passed first try.
Open book/open note usually just means the prof is going to make the exam as tough as nails, or the course is just very information dense.
A regressive Potato I agree on the open book being fine, I had a class where every test was closed books and I aced all of them but the final ended up being open book and I only managed a B+, while not bad was definitely lower than my average by far. Similar situation happened in another class where we were allowed a single note card
I have done open book exams and they were not double time length. I can say that those of us who didn't need to refer to the book because we had been to class, taken notes and done our revision passed with excellent grades. Whereas those who had to use the books and notes, because they hadn't bothered to learn the subject, failed. We weren't allowed to pick our own grade either.
Those of us who knew the subject through hard work could use the books to double check quotes, dates, etc, if we had time at the end (when we were checking through after we had finished answering). These were not easy exams and the books couldn't be used to look up the answers - you had to know the subject before you start or you failed. That is what a good "open book" exam is. Your have to know your subject to pass a true open book exam, because the books and notes won't really help if you don't.
It looks like that portion of the syllabus was a sarcastic commentary on the ridiculous students that keep popping into the news. Rather than actually giving the students A's for no work, I think he was ridiculing students for blaming their failures on others and their inability to manage stress.
I agree that that is what it sounds like, but you'd think he'd have fessed up by now. on the other hand even with the left where it is right now that still seems a bit ridiculous (imo)
sillyking1991 that makes total sense. But at the same time I feel like part of the satire would be ruined if he did admit it was sarcasm. The public commentary would have no affect after it was explained. On top of that, a lot of people would not believe him and see it as a Hail Mary to get out of the controversy. That, or I am looking way too deep into this for meaning!
Lowering the standards and requirements of an education is the best way of devaluing it. If you don't have to work your ass off for it, it's worthless.
+Cyraneth Vamaross
He's not lowering the requirements of an education. You think a professor can do that?
When they take their exam, if they've bs'ed their way though, they're failing. The grades they got in _class_ are irrelevant.
+ccaagg Did you not read what the professor set up for his class? The school had to shut his policy down. If they didn't catch that he would've been hardcore lowering requirements and those students would get away with it even after he was shut down.
ccaagg If anyone can do whatever and get an A, there's no more requirements for that class.
You are totally right. Humans need to be taught at an early age that we dont alwayz win but try again & cheer on the winner.
I'm a full time student with a full time job and straight up I would of took that A+ and kept my mouth shut
Levvy you're a full time student and say "would of"
What course are you doing
Computer Information Technology major, minor in voice. Desk Job/Dream shot.
Phil needs to be the next guest on hot ones.
100% agree with your thoughts on the everyone gets a trophy mentality! How can anyone disagree with this!? Having that mentality is a disservice to their kids! They are the future!
I am so excited about the possibility of esports becoming a part of the Olympics. As you said, it does take skill and utilizes reflexes and hand eye coordination. PS you sound like an amazing parent. Keep it up.
Why can't a gym just be a gym
I agree, but I don't exactly hate the guy for his policy either.
He's not wrong when he says all active military members serve capitalism.
We live in a capitalist country, and in the country, that capitalism is strongly connected to white supremacy. As most people who are at the top, have and continue to be racist shit bags.
How do you figure white supremacy is linked to capitalism? Nazis were Socialists, the USSR were communists, the soldiers who stamped down both were Capitalists.
@lu cole ...you do realize that you're conflating a governmental-economic system with racial issues, right? That's like saying that Socialism and Communism are connected to white supremacy because most people who are at the top throughout history in those societies are racist shit bags. As if the idea's and concepts of how those system's works are in anyway connected to the beliefs of the people within those systems.
If Darwin was racist and bigoted, would that mean Evolution is connected to white supremacy? And so therefore, scientist who are against white supremacy, should not allow the discussion of Evolution in their classroom and/or workspace?
I'm not really mad at the gym owner, but if you don't like capitalism you shouldn't own your gym. In other words, your employees should seize the means of gains
anthony mazy I don't think he said he supported socialism. He could just hate capitalism and just love mercantilism instead. (Though that's a 0.00000000000001%) possibility
I don't like how the definition of capitalism has been warped. Today you can't support capitalism without everyone assuming you're a fat cat 1-percenter...
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Considering that mercantilism is everything wrong with capitalism and turned up to eleven, I don't think so.
anthony mazy it wound surprise me if he claimed to be super socialist but unless he admitted to that somewhere else, he never said he was in favor of communism. You can have staunch disagreements of capitalism and not be a socialist or communist.
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I really think the professor's class policy from the first story is an interesting experiment more than anything. A lot of professor's do this, especially more experimental, pedagogically focused ones: running a class a certain way for a semester, then either scrapping the form of the class or changing bits and pieces large or small along the way. We have these ideas of discipline and understanding failure as necessary for the classroom, and while I would agree with that for the most part, I also think it could be a really interesting way to run a classroom; that is, complete focus on the personal interest to stay in the class, do the work, listen to the professor, etc. Of course the professor knows every student in his class could just skip everyday, write some shit, request an A and receive it without any work, but I would bet the professor is looking for students who are personally invested in the material and don't need Pavlov's tactics to work towards mastery.
On a similar note, there are a lot of pedagogical scholars out there, both theoretical and practical (i.e. scholars in the education field within psychology disciplines) who have written essays upon essays questioning the actual need for A-F grading, stating that, especially with college students, they do not necessarily mean a mastery or total failure of the class, and therefore are at least somewhat and at most completely bunk. Really interesting stuff, and I would have to bet that the professor is merely doing the same except more physically and viscerally within his own classroom.
I don't think that the gym owner should ban cops and soldiers from the gym, but I think he is constitutionally allowed to do so. This is pretty much the exact same scenario as business owners refusing to serve gay people because of their religion. In both scenarios, the citizens can just stop giving said businesses money and encourage a boycott of said business.
Except the business owners were sued and lost in that one.
Except one of those things destroyed the business that discriminated, and this one will probably just get praised by certain media Outlets.
Me a struggling college student: oh that teacher sounds pretty cool lol
he probably is pretty cool but thats not going to help you struggling
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I just imagined a possible ''Stress Reduction Policy'' back in my school days.....
Teacher: ''Whats wrong boy?''
Me: ''I feel stressed sir.''
Teacher: Wallop, back hander to the back of the head, ''How about now? Still stressed? Need more stress relief?''
Me: Rubbing back of head, ''No sir, its all good now''
While I understand that this policy went waaay too far, I can sort of understand where it's coming from. So much of the whole education system creates unrealistic scenarios - in real life, in a job, you won't abstain from using books, outside help and Google to help you solve your problems. The goal of education shouldn't be to remember, it should be to understand. Granted, the whole grading thing was terrible and the rules were ultimately misguided.
Very unique perspective! I never thought about it that wau
Agreed completely.
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Yagi Well said mate! Tho the initial knowledge is needed. Great comment tho indeed education rewards memory over anything else!
Sure and when someone's dying in the operation table we will stop the surgery to google how to stitch an artery... come on people, i understand the use of books in SOME specific tests but 99% of the time it should not be allowed.
How the hell does the gym keep that policy? What's to stop someone from simply saying "No" when asked if they're a cop or active serviceman?
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Exactly.......my friend.
I kind of hope the gym gets robbed because of this. That would make this funny as hell. The purest form of schadenfreude I can think of.
Dany21251 whyu wanna know? U a cop?
They'd probably just feel awkward having to lie about their work.
Besides, if someone said, "Hey, if you're a cop, you can't come into my gym," and I was a cop,I'd just go to another gym.
I think its good and fine that ppl are trying to help others reduce their stress. However, this is a horrid way to do so. Group projects, (however awful they may be), are completely necessary for the growth of a student's mind. Learning how to deal and work with others is a skill that is incredibly important, not to mention what other skills group activities develop. Throwing that out the window is just silly.
but there will always have the 2 guys who make almost the entire group project. I see the stress too, but the lazy ones are the worst and need to have some reality check 😂
I think the teacher was really saying ( you paid to be here and learning is up to you) He was probably tired of students how didn't want to be there causing problems for those that did.
His job is to teach a class not babysit.
That professor would get an essay full of laughing emojis followed by an email demanding I get an A.
I think that the professor had begun with a more strict code of conduct, but as time went on and more and more students came to him crying about their stress levels and the school telling him to back off a little. He came to the realization that no one gives a crap about his class and made these "rules" instead out of frustration.
Eric Young yes! Thank you! Each sentence in that policy was dripping with sarcasm, you can almost tell he believed in the opposite of every statement