The most iconic piece of Irish clothing: The Leine

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  • Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
  • This week's video is about perhaps the most iconic piece of Irish clothing, the Saffron shirt also known as the Leine. So iconic the British powers at the time tried multiple ways of banning it. I dive into its history and background.
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  • @artawhirler
    @artawhirler 7 месяцев назад +13

    This was really interesting! As an American, I was very surprised to see that the Irish peoples' favorite color was actually yellow, instead of green!!

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  7 месяцев назад +9

      Green being associated to Ireland is a very new tradition a

    • @edkeller94
      @edkeller94 6 месяцев назад +5

      Green is the colour of republicanism. Popularised during the 1798 rebellion

  • @huntclanhunt9697
    @huntclanhunt9697 2 года назад +27

    I have a theory that, in cold weather, the excess cloth in the sleeve could be tightly wrapped around the forearm. In combat, this would also provide a sort of protection too.
    This would explain why the Irish jacket was open sleeved as well, as the wearer could just wrap the sleeves and use the jacket to hold them in place.
    What do you think?

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 года назад +6

      It's something I hope to test out at some point as others have noted there are many depictions of short sleeved versions too I based this one off one in a museum here but I have a few tests I would like to test out with these.

    • @Outlier777
      @Outlier777 Год назад +4

      The Elizabethan invader Edmund Spencer confirmed this, at least in regards to the Brat, stating "often times their mantle serves them, when they are nigh driven, being wrapped about their left arm instead instead of a target (shield), for it is hard to cut through with a sword."

  • @victoriaburkhardt9974
    @victoriaburkhardt9974 2 месяца назад +4

    Those sleeves would make excellent pockets. Imagine picking apples wearing that shirt. Thank you for the video.

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 месяца назад +2

      @@victoriaburkhardt9974 I must go scrumping in them and test it out.

  • @helgaioannidis9365
    @helgaioannidis9365 2 месяца назад +4

    Stumbled upon this by coincidence and enjoyed watching and learning something new.
    As a German I'm fascinated that we also use the word Leinen, but we use it generally for the material, not the piece of clothing. We pronounce it the same as you.

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 месяца назад

      @@helgaioannidis9365 interesting we use línéadach in Irish for the material.

  • @carnival8789
    @carnival8789 5 месяцев назад +4

    As an American of Irish and Highland Scottish Descent, Couldnt be more happy to see this channel. Excellent videos, keep going mate. 👍

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  5 месяцев назад

      Thank you for the support I'm so glad my work can help.

  • @McNerdyCostumesandProps
    @McNerdyCostumesandProps Год назад +12

    I am currently posting a video about recreating the 1566 saffron dye recipe to make my own leine and in researching tags I stumbled across this video. How RUclips has not recommended this to me before is beyond me! I also find it hilarious that we both used Derricke's quote to start off lol. Just wanted to say that I appreciate that you're helping to keep Irish history alive and I'd be happy to collaborate when posting the construction video. But as I'm partway through hand-sewing it, don't worry. You've got plenty of time to think about it lol.

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  Год назад +1

      I would absolutely love to do that feel free to contact me through any of the links in my videos and we can sort something out great to have another like minded person around. Plus if you think the leine is bad wait until you trim a brat lol

    • @McNerdyCostumesandProps
      @McNerdyCostumesandProps Год назад +2

      @@ramblingkern 😂 oh, I’m definitely looking forward to the challenge when the time comes. But I’ll be spinning and weaving it myself like a crazy person so what’s a little more work? Lol

  • @blazingpaddleskes
    @blazingpaddleskes 2 года назад +4

    Yes interesting to learn more about the Leine. I'm not much of a botanist, but it's staggering to learn about how many Saffron flowers are needed to dye a Leine!

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 года назад +1

      Apparently it's the same for making the spice which I tried recently for a medieval pie recipe. To dye something I imagine takes a lot of work and obviously money.

    • @cooldaddy2877
      @cooldaddy2877 2 года назад +2

      The word "saffron" was used as a colour descriptive by the English. That does not mean that saffron was actually used. Ireland is full of plants/flowers that can dye linen a yellowish colour.

    • @twoonthewall
      @twoonthewall Год назад

      @@cooldaddy2877 thats what I thought, still today we referr to the colours of some sports teams as saffron

    • @PeregrinTintenfish
      @PeregrinTintenfish 4 месяца назад

      ​@cooldaddy2877 Saffron was used for the high quality stuff. They used other dyes to imitate it.

  • @IrishMedievalHistory
    @IrishMedievalHistory 2 года назад +3

    Amazing work once again man.

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 года назад

      Thank you I really appreciate the support.

  • @addeenen7684
    @addeenen7684 5 месяцев назад +2

    A white linen apron was what I used to wear to school (some 60 years ago). Mom knitted wool underpants, and I was super allergic to wool. Linen was what I wanted.

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  5 месяцев назад

      That must have been a rough allergy in that situation.

    • @maritaberndt6200
      @maritaberndt6200 Месяц назад

      I have great trouble wearing wool! It would have been awful!

  • @Clans_Dynasties
    @Clans_Dynasties 2 года назад +1

    Shared, great work.

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 года назад

      Thank you so much for the support.

  • @philipmartinryan
    @philipmartinryan 2 года назад +1

    Slick man, lovely fancy intro graphic too!

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 года назад

      Thanks mate I am glad you enjoyed it.

  • @benjaminfranckaert5691
    @benjaminfranckaert5691 2 года назад +4

    If you check the Aberlemno II pictish stone, on the battle scene (often presented as the 685AD battle of Dunnichen, but possibly a later strife as the stone dates from the 8th century), one of the footmen on central left does have a tunic with wide sleeves that does look very similar to the post medieval leine.

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 года назад +1

      Interesting I didn't know that. I will have a chat to my Man pictivia leather he is my source for Pictish news.

  • @MissAnathemaDevice
    @MissAnathemaDevice Год назад +1

    Im so glad I've stumbled across your channel. This is exactly my niche. Thank you!

  • @JohnFinitee
    @JohnFinitee 2 года назад +1

    Beautiful piece of clothing! My favourite colour too! Another good video 👍

  • @FindingFiddlersGreen
    @FindingFiddlersGreen 2 года назад +3

    Just discovered your channel and I'm loving your stuff! I just recently made (and by that I mean my mother sewed and I held pins) a léine, just basic linen color for now, for the big renaissance faire here in Colorado. I've got the brat and críos as well so I just need a scían and I'll be off to a good start I think. I'm looking forward to your future projects and as a fan of Fandabidozi as well I can't wait to see what you're able to do with the kit! I'd be especially interested to see the uses of the brat and of course the martial side of things too. This is such a niche part of history that I always felt like I was the only one interested in it and I'm glad someone knowledgeable is taking up the mantle so to speak to help get it out there. Keep up the great work; mo sheacht mbeannacht ort!

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 года назад +2

      Go raibh maith agat mo chara. Yes I felt even here in Ireland it was far too ignored. You are actually lucky if it's undyed you could play around with using natural dyes for it too if you wanted to try. I felt even in Ireland this is a very unknown part of our history so wanted to shine some light on it.

    • @cooldaddy2877
      @cooldaddy2877 2 года назад

      I hope you have done the hanging sleeves properly. It is the most misunderstood part of the léine. Nathan, sadly has the sleeves all wrong, but well done to him for trying. The brat is also often made wrongly. It should be sub-circular in shape and made in three parts. Also, your crios should be around three metres in length and ties without any knots.

  • @OscelotTheCat
    @OscelotTheCat 13 дней назад +1

    Excellent video. I wanted to make myself another leine after many years, and have fallen down a rabbit hole of research since I can’t bloody find my original (HOW?! It’s like 6 yards of heavy linen! It’s massive! I live in an apartment!) to reference off. Entertained that you reference the same article I was pestering my boyfriend with excerpts from just last night. XD

  • @hedgeandhue
    @hedgeandhue 2 года назад +2

    I liked the video and found the topic interesting. My thing is the history of wool/dyeing and sheep in ireland if you ever want to throw a question my way. Cheers.

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 года назад

      That would be brilliant I really appreciate the help. Any chance you could pop me a message on social media so I don't lose track of you?

  • @lucydilts801
    @lucydilts801 3 месяца назад +1

    This is great!! Ty!!!

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 месяца назад

      @@lucydilts801 you are very welcome don't forget to check out part two on this garment you will find it on my channel.

  • @colinlawler8785
    @colinlawler8785 2 года назад +1

    Making my way through all your videos and I gotta say, I’m super excited to see where you take this! I’d really love to see you talk about the wicker bucklers and shields and the one arm in plate with an arming sword

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 года назад +1

      I actually have some very big videos coming on the wicker shield. The gauntlet I am working on I am just trying to find a Smith who can make what I need.

    • @colinlawler8785
      @colinlawler8785 2 года назад

      @@ramblingkern let me know when you do! I am also trying to get that for myself

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 года назад

      @@colinlawler8785 will do.

  • @Stephen_Curtin
    @Stephen_Curtin 2 года назад +1

    Good stuff lad. Keep it up.

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 года назад

      thank you so much for the support mate

  • @atlantismorrisette8397
    @atlantismorrisette8397 2 года назад +3

    Can't beat a big ol' sleeve

  • @turas788
    @turas788 2 года назад +3

    I began studying Scottish Gaelic off and on a couple years ago and I've become quite fascinated by the early Middle Ages period (specifically with respect to Dál Riada and happenings in Ireland at the time) and I've taken to studying Ireland of that period as a proxy for some information that is otherwise hard to find. I could swear while watching this video that I have a bookmark or some notes somewhere (they're in a near-perpetual state of scattering) about some lèintean (using the S.G. word) being made to look like the lèine-chròich by using another, cheaper yellow dye (the medieval "bootleg" if you will). I can't find that information now so I'm wondering if I'm totally off base here.
    Heard anything like this or am I crazy? Great channel, by the way

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 года назад +2

      Yes I have indeed I have seen a few references to people using onion to create a vibrant yellow and I was actually chatting to a weaver recently who was telling me there was an even more common subtance used that I cant remember right now.
      Thank you for the support i am delighted you are enjoying the channel.

  • @jonahanthony266
    @jonahanthony266 Год назад +1

    Hey there, Rambling Kern. Quick question about the leine.
    Is it true that some leines would be sleeveless?
    I'm doing some research on ancient Ireland and this was one of the things I was unsure about.

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  Год назад

      From further research since this video it seems that for men the majority were short sleeve stopping at the elbow and for women they were long. It's possible there were regional styles with longer sleeves but nothing concrete on that.

    • @jonahanthony266
      @jonahanthony266 Год назад +1

      @@ramblingkern Awesome!
      Thanks so much!

  • @bresdraiocht4635
    @bresdraiocht4635 2 года назад

    Very Interesting!

  • @Outlier777
    @Outlier777 Год назад +1

    Do you know if they typically tied the sleeves back before a fight? Back in my Kenjutsu days, we would often get the sleeves of our Gi caught on the pommel of our swords, if the sleeves were to the wrist. I've never worn a Leine, so I can't say how how practical they are in a fight, but I'd be curious to hear the opinion of a martial artist like yourself.

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  Год назад +1

      The sleeve openings are actually pretty big so they don't tend to get caught up too much. It seems primarily men often wore them where they stopped at the elbow as well which you will see in my second video on the leine so these would be even less likely to catch. They also do some funny things in fights like catching stabs etc. I will need to get another one made and film some fencing in them.

  • @pgawley814
    @pgawley814 6 месяцев назад +2

    Could they have used gorse as a yellow dye? I remember my Grandmother told me they used gorse to dye their easter eggs (1920s and 30s in Ulster).

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  6 месяцев назад

      There was a number of dyes used I have not heard of gorse but there are other people much more knowledgeable in that field than I am who might know more.

  • @petertobin596
    @petertobin596 2 года назад +1

    Hello Nathan, big fan of the channel and what you do and find your content very interesting. After watching your video on the leine I followed your link to the medieval market to see if I could get my very own as I'm planning on eventually having a full "Gallowglass" loadout and thought this iconic piece of clothing would be a great start! I checked out their sizing chart and figured a large would suit my 188cm frame, however when I went to order I was not given an option to choose a size, only a colour (saffron/yellow of course) ?... Is this because it's a one size fits all giving the adjustable nature of the shirt or am I just missing a step during checkout? Was hoping you could share your experience? Thank you and please keep up the great work, míle buíochas 👍

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 года назад

      If ordering from them you enter all of your stats into their portal once you create an account the sizing is for cost in the cart then everything is done to the exact measurements you give.

    • @petertobin596
      @petertobin596 2 года назад +1

      @@ramblingkern Ah ha, I was wondering. This helped a lot, thanks for the quick reply I appreciate it 👍 ( btw hope to see you donning yours for more content, thought the hike and the solo camp vids were savage🔥, would love to see more )

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 года назад

      @@petertobin596 Thank you mate will have another hike soon need to revise my kit before I do any of the bigger journeys I have planned.

  • @GallowglassAxe
    @GallowglassAxe 2 года назад +5

    So I really like this outfit and I use it to fight in LARPs (I don't have a HEMA near where I live). With just the Leine I can use all the traditional Irish weapons with the exception of the Claiomh Mor (greatsword). The main issue I have is certain techniques the pommel would get hung into sleeves. Now my sleeves are slightly bigger because I figure they were used as pockets. This was a reference I saw where the shirts were ban because it made it easier for them to steal things. Not sure how true that was but I thought I would try it out. But I digress. Now obviously the claiomh mor is almost always used with armor so the sleeves would not be a factor and I also suspect the Iona Jackets with the button up sleeves would make it easier to keep the sleeves out the way. Just need ot make me an Iona to try it.

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 года назад +3

      Yeah most sources that refer to them being used for theft are usually English and part of discrediting the Irish. Rolling the sleeves up and putting them in a gauntlet or ionar can work well.

    • @cooldaddy2877
      @cooldaddy2877 2 года назад

      I cant say the sleeves of the léine, if made correctly, get in the way. I've never had that problem.

    • @oisinoceallaigh1671
      @oisinoceallaigh1671 2 года назад

      depictions seem to show the mens never go below the elbow and only the female version went down to the wrist. there's a nice picture of a Scottish highlander in a léine shooting a deer with a bow and you can see how the length of it prevents it getting in his way

  • @KevinBrady-fy3cx
    @KevinBrady-fy3cx 28 дней назад +1

    So I have seen many versions of the Leine online, and I used a number of source materials for my dissertation years ago which mention the garment. I am convinced that everyone on the internet in getting the construction depressingly wrong. Both the garment and the waistcoat should be pleated all round -- exactly like a greek Fustanella -- please historical costumers look this up and see how it corresponds almost exactly to what we see in (especially) 17th century illustrations. The Lenie reconstructions that look like a sleeping gown are ridiculous.

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  28 дней назад +2

      @@KevinBrady-fy3cx so while researching it I saw a specific reference to this that depending on social class the amount of cloth and the amount of pleats would increase or decrease depending on your social standing. I have seen a huge amount of debate on the pleats as well as the sleeves so as a result I have a few different ones and am always open to finding more information on them.

  • @Doyle_Lorean2105
    @Doyle_Lorean2105 2 года назад +3

    I read in the book the irish wars 1485 - 1603 (men at arms) that the long sleeves have a practical use, like pockets for collecting berries in a forest, don't know if there is anything to that. It also said english authorities banded them because the long sleeves could be used to steal and hide weapons.

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 года назад +1

      Very interesting I shall have to research that.

    • @cooldaddy2877
      @cooldaddy2877 2 года назад

      That book only makes a suggestion and gives no historical sources. I can confirm that the sleeves hold heat on a cold day and the warm air rises up the arm. This is a major consideration but I have also used them as pockets.

    • @hewhodoes8073
      @hewhodoes8073 5 месяцев назад

      The large sleeves of traditional Japanese clothes could be used as pockets too.

  • @david-jr5fn
    @david-jr5fn 2 года назад +20

    They might have referred to the shirt as being saffron yellow in colour but I doubt the Irish used saffron as it doesn't grow there. They had local growing plants such as dyers weld that they could use

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 года назад +13

      There are multiple records of saffron being used to dye as well as being imported from all over the continent. Other dyes were used for those who were less well off but saffron creates a very distinctive colour that would be used to distinguish your wealth.

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 года назад +6

      @@Alasdair37448 as far as all references go there were no other colour of leine that I can find. They seem to be exclusively yellow. With saffron as it is as you mentioned the brightest colour being the most desirable.

    • @Alasdair37448
      @Alasdair37448 2 года назад +1

      @@ramblingkern ok I was just speculating due to the expensive nature of the saffron dye what shirts would people who could not afford such expensive clothes? I've deleted my other comment for good measure. But surely there must have been attempts at cheaper colors.

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 года назад +3

      @@Alasdair37448 for sure there were cheaper methods to make yellow that were commonly used but they don't create the same vibrant yellow.

    • @Alasdair37448
      @Alasdair37448 2 года назад +2

      @@ramblingkern Thank you for helping me to understand this better.

  • @rachelcarlyle7673
    @rachelcarlyle7673 Год назад +1

    If you don't mind me asking, how large is your garment? Thinking of buying one and I am rather short, and between sizes.

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  Год назад +1

      This is made to my exact size all orders from this company are tailored to your size so this one would be very big for most.

    • @rachelcarlyle7673
      @rachelcarlyle7673 Год назад

      ​@@ramblingkernthank you! Did it take long for this to arrive?

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  Год назад +1

      @@rachelcarlyle7673 probably a month but this was their first time making one and it was a lot of back and forth discussing it so they could be faster for you.

  • @danareinhart1515
    @danareinhart1515 Год назад +1

    Hello sir curious to discuss some ancestry with you involving yamnaya and corded ware cultures

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  Год назад

      It's not really a topic I am familiar with.

  • @christopherblaziek8303
    @christopherblaziek8303 Год назад +1

    Did people wrap the sleeves around there arms and keep things in them?

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  Год назад +1

      We don't really know for sure but I have been testing it out hiking to see.

  • @luckaiyay9639
    @luckaiyay9639 2 года назад +4

    Wizard sleeveesssss

  • @cooldaddy2877
    @cooldaddy2877 2 года назад

    Great work as usual but you have the sleeves all wrong. I am willing to advise on this if you want. I have been wearing the léine etc for thirty five plus years as every day clothing. I've been there, done that and made mistakes along the way. Where in Ireland are you? I am in Donegal.

  • @elizabethmcglothlin5406
    @elizabethmcglothlin5406 2 года назад +1

    I think weld and eve apple bark makes a nice yellow.

  • @gozer87
    @gozer87 2 года назад +1

    The houplande and bliaud started in France and spread to the rest of Europe. Some of the bog finds also have interesting local spins on Continental fashions, at least to my eyes.

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 года назад +1

      Yes there is a lot of interesting cross over

  • @A_Moustached_Sock
    @A_Moustached_Sock 2 года назад +1

    One other curiosity that pokes up is what other shirts of choice or garments would one use if a leine was not possible for them due to funds. We also see a few garments built around the leine or worn in conjunction with them, but dont really get to see what any alternatives were around the time.
    (Just found your channel hence the spam type comments. Apologies in advance)

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 года назад

      No need to apologise I am delighted you are enjoying the channel and love to interact with those who are genuinely interested. So one thing that is interesting about the leine and you can see this in Henry Viii's statue against the leine is the amount of cloth used per social standing. A poorer person most likely just had a less baggy Leine died with a cheaper subsitiute to saffron like onion for example.

    • @A_Moustached_Sock
      @A_Moustached_Sock 2 года назад

      @Rambling Kern Makes sense that the garment would look similar like a long tunic with just less vibrant yellow. But then of course thats made me also wonder what was in fashion before the Leine

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 года назад

      @@A_Moustached_Sock it depends on the period but around the Viking and Norman period and even a bit before and after it was pretty much the same as far as we know. Simple under and over tunic with trews and cloaks being common of course with some certain nuances such as fabric weave and dyes.

    • @cooldaddy2877
      @cooldaddy2877 2 года назад +1

      the léine had no great expense in it. It would not be hard to make a léine, unpleated, and dyed with one of many Irish sources. History mentions sleeves almost reaching the ground but the average sleeve only reached to the knees. Altogether, this required much less material compared to a heavy pleated léine with sleeves almost to the ground. Yellow can be got from gorse, broom, weld, onions and even heather. As for an alternative, the Irish also wore triúbhas with the léine ghearr.

    • @A_Moustached_Sock
      @A_Moustached_Sock 2 года назад

      @@cooldaddy2877 Excellent point thank you! I believe I sort of misspoke and was curious if there were sources showing that perhaps there was another tunic option other than Leine. As so far it seems we went from Norsemen clothing into the Leine and Irish fashion. Curious on where turning points might have been or what else may have been worn besides the leine. But I may be applying too much of a modern mindset to it.

  • @markmcgoveran6811
    @markmcgoveran6811 Год назад +1

    I'm really happy when I see you wearing that and telling me that's traditional Irish because in America everybody is Irish on st. Patty's Day. Every picture you see if Jesus here almost shows him wear an outfit just like that with the big sleeves. St Patty's Day in America even Jesus is Irish. But this leads to the question did they wear pants?

  • @collinvickers2345
    @collinvickers2345 Год назад +1

    As I understand it, the "saffron" referenced in this case is the color, which was actually dyed with plants such as weld. Are you familiar with archaeological evidence that actual saffron was used? :)

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  Год назад +1

      This question is asked so often I did a video on this topic. Yes it was used and we have recipes from the period on the dye formula used and I know a few who have tried to replicate it to. You will find the video on my channel.

  • @Hope-un5wv
    @Hope-un5wv 2 года назад

    The Leine and description of what the Irish were wearing is vey similar to the Greek Army traditional uniform that is worn for celebrations. Lots of pleated linen and a wool jacket that ties over the long sleeved shirt.

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 года назад

      Yes I have another video on the ionar or wool jacket you mention as well.

  • @twoonthewall
    @twoonthewall Год назад +1

    Where are you getting the idea of actually using saffron to dye cloth? I always thought saffron referred to the colour. There are other ways to get yellow hues from native plants and products.
    In the same way if we said something was gold coloured it was not made using gold.
    Thanks

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  Год назад +1

      This question comes up so much I am going to need to make a specific video on the topic to address this. There are numerous references to this for example the letters from Thomas Cromwell to Henry VIII, in the State Papers. Which talks about specifically saffron dyed cloth and silk used for Leine. We also have shipping logs for saffron to be used for dying we even have references such as Fr. Good in 1566 looking for methods of dying with saffron and other additives to reduce cost. Yes there are other dyes and I mentioned them in the video however saffron gives a very distinctive yellow and one that takes well to linen unlike many other dyes. Yes some say things are gold coloured but saffron coloured refers to the dye that the flower produces not the flower.

    • @twoonthewall
      @twoonthewall Год назад +1

      @@ramblingkern that's wild! Thanks for the responce. That was the other part i never got about saffron, yes we can grow crocus but the real saffron has to be imported from Asia. Could some of the more expensive leina have been as dark orange as buddist monks saffron robes not just the pale yellow we see in paintings? The dye water used many times so subsequent less valuable cloth is paler, or cheaper cloth was dyed with other products to imitate the colour.
      The use of the word orange to describe the colour orange is modern, African red was often used to describe orange, could saffron coloured mean something darker?. Could the really expensive clothes of the wealthy have been a deeper orange and the paler yellows we see in paintings be washed out faded versions or poorer people?
      Thanks for your reply, i find this fascinating and there is very little except the same few paintings discussed. Keep making the videos they are great !

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  Год назад +1

      @@twoonthewall suprisingly a lot of the saffron in Ireland at the time was grown in England with the remainder being imported from Spain. Paolo Giovio (1548) says of the Irish merchants’ overseas trade, “they bring back armour, helmets, spears and swords from France and Spain, as well as wine, olive oil and saffron.
      You can look up the traditional greek outfits dyed with it they have a very bright and distinctive yellow which is what was sought out. Poorer people would indeed have had pale or different shades which would also be mirrored in less cloth in their Leines and as such donating their social status.

  • @pobyrnesinger
    @pobyrnesinger 2 года назад

    Thanks

  • @The_Gallowglass
    @The_Gallowglass 2 года назад +1

    I've used turmeric to dye my leine. Seems to work pretty good.

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 года назад +1

      Nice one I have seen some examples of it and would love to try it myself sometime.

    • @The_Gallowglass
      @The_Gallowglass 2 года назад +1

      @@ramblingkern I mean, its a WAY cheaper natural alternative to saffron.

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 года назад +2

      @@The_Gallowglass considering how it stains all of my kitchen when I cook curries that makes sense haha.

    • @The_Gallowglass
      @The_Gallowglass 2 года назад +1

      @@ramblingkern All I did was fill up hot water from the tap in the sink, few scoops of the turmeric and one freshly made white leine and let it steep for a good while. When I felt like the color was right, I rinsed it with cold water in the sink, then ran it through the wash to rinse it off a time or two, to make sure the excess was gone. If it ever fades throughout the year, repeat the process. I've heard people use a mordant, but I didn't and it seems to work out.

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 года назад

      @@The_Gallowglass I have also read of onion being used even in period accounts but not seen how it's done.

  • @Elydthia
    @Elydthia 2 года назад +1

    How do you fight in that?

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 года назад +3

      I plan on finding out. There is a lot of artwork of kerns at war in them so it must be doable but tricky.

    • @Elydthia
      @Elydthia 2 года назад

      @@ramblingkern It wouldn't surprise me if there were fighting methods that incorporated the sleeves in some way, like hiding strikes.

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 года назад +2

      @@Elydthia I think there was also some possibilty of rolling them up to act as padding but again purely guesswork on my end.

    • @cooldaddy2877
      @cooldaddy2877 2 года назад +1

      Very easy actually. People suppose that the sleeves are a problem but I rarely have found that.

  • @Chuklz70
    @Chuklz70 Год назад +1

    NOT Disputing your information on saffron, it IS used to dye the robes of Buddhist monks in the Orient. In a book my friend Audrey Rogers (World History teacher-Colorado) owns, about the native flora or Ireland, ALL 3 primary colors were available to the Irish throughout history. The native plant would be called WELD.
    Just as the English rule diluted and corrupted the traditions of the Gaeilge, so to did they dispute and annul our own industry and lore

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  Год назад +2

      Yes and I would not dispute that. I do explain in the video that there were plenty of other dyes being used and even show some examples of those the desired dye was saffron. People seem sceptical of its used but it is on the shipping logs throughout the period so was most definately used. However how prevelant it was amongst the common Irish person I have no idea.

    • @PeregrinTintenfish
      @PeregrinTintenfish 4 месяца назад

      The Irish imported saffron, but also grew it themselves.

  • @rkozakand
    @rkozakand Месяц назад +1

    The seam between the body and the sleeves is far too high. It would not have sat on the shoulders but about halfway down the upper arm.

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  Месяц назад +1

      @@rkozakand interesting why do you say that?

  • @Doyle449
    @Doyle449 2 года назад +2

    looking good boy

  • @cooldaddy2877
    @cooldaddy2877 2 года назад +1

    Sad that you refused my repeated offer to meet up in Dublin on Saturday. I have been making/selling léinte for decades and nearly all interested parties are everywhere but Ireland. It is so rare to learn of another person in Ireland with the same interests. That is why I thought we should at least meet and have a chat. I have advised museums etc for decades and I am regarded as the "go to guy" on the subject. I corresponded with, and advised, Mairéad Dunlevy on her work also. Anyway, good luck.

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 года назад +5

      I have never refused your invitation once. I believe you did mention it in a comment at some point but I received no email or enquiry about it so if it is something you wish to arrange then we can. As I am sure you can imagine it's difficult to book a meeting with cool daddy.

  • @ToySoRad
    @ToySoRad Год назад +1

    Would a Kern have worn leather armor?

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  Год назад +1

      There are references to leather jackets but by this period steel armour of various types was popular and widely available.

  • @DebHickerson
    @DebHickerson 5 месяцев назад +1

    150-170 Crocus sativus flowers to produce 1 gram of saffron.

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  5 месяцев назад

      Yes it's an extremely labour intensive crop to harvest.

  • @DruidicOrthodox
    @DruidicOrthodox Год назад +1

    Looks something like what Druids would have worn

  • @Slievenamon
    @Slievenamon 3 месяца назад

    I just had a look at the sparring video, this garment had shorter sleeves and even then you could see the sleeve getting hit with the plastic sword. Nuff said. Why did our Irish Medieval warrior ancestors dress like Classical Greek politicians in a land covered in forest and bogs, it is no wonder the Vikings played such havoc in Ireland. Now lets look at the Native American warriors and compare the typical plaines "Indians" that wore lots of clutter with other "Indians" such as the Ute and Apaches. Go to a youtuber by the name Wildwestfaces and click on his video from a few days ago titled "Guerilla warfare". about the Ute.
    The Apache were total minimalists. And if it were not for Apache traitors the US Cavalry would probably still be trying to find Geronimos band. But there were other Apaches who never surrendered. Look up "The Bronco Apaches." They hid out in the Sierra Madre Mountains of Mexico, from where they continued to raid into the USA right into the 1920s. Hollywood was making movies about Cowboys and Indians while at the same time real Apaches were carrying out raids in the USA.

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  3 месяца назад

      The Irish were wearing this clothing 500 years after the viking invasions at that time Irish and viking clothing were incredibly similar. As I discussed in my video these were worn as a sign of wealth having large amounts of cloth dyed in such a valued colour was a display of wealth just like putting shiny rocks on your fingers. This clothing didn't seem to hamper the Irish in warfare and they were highly successful until much like the native Americans a force with superior numbers and technology slowly wiped them out through famine, warfare and numerous other means.

    • @Slievenamon
      @Slievenamon 3 месяца назад

      @@ramblingkern Yes, when I think of the early Medieval Irish I think of a TV show called Arthur of the Britons from the early 1970s. Apart from the modern horses they used it looked okay. But is a pity they did not use Icelandic horses. The Icelandic horse was brought to Iceland over one thousand years ago and it is believed to be the olders and most pure of all breeds. It was already an old breed when first brought to Iceland.

  • @lynnodonnell4764
    @lynnodonnell4764 2 месяца назад +1

    Saffron most expensive spice in the world ...!

  • @lightningspirit2166
    @lightningspirit2166 Год назад +1

    Why doesn't the irish govornment encourage this style of clothing?

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  Год назад +1

      I dont think they have any real interest in this part of Irish history.

    • @lightningspirit2166
      @lightningspirit2166 Год назад +1

      @@ramblingkern yes but they ought to as this period was the last time the irish actually had a uninterrupted culture,more or less, after this period the english banned irish culture,and it never recovered,and now the eu and irish govornment are flooding ireland with non irish economic migrants ,and breaking down the last vestiges of the indigenous irish peoples identity ,I would make it compulsory to promote this kind of dress, and try to develop it into a practical contemporary style eg promote saffron shirts ,separate saffron kilts for men,and various shades colours or even tartans, I would promote colourful waistcoats,capes, etc..I would promote historical events ,fairs etc..where traditional proper irish culture ,predating the treaty of limerick,etc.. would be encouraged ,including irish language, music, ,I would promote a new gaelic golden age, based on socialist and nationalist principles of fairness, redistribution of land and wealth and promote positive celtic christianity ,and also educate people to the positives of their pagan beliefs ! It's sad when people see the ghosts of their brightly dressed ancestors and liken them to fairys ,when these people were their blood line ,who were murdered by the english and Norman's,vikings etc..only to be forgotten and fictitiously invented as elementals ,no wonder their souls cannot rest in peace !

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  Год назад

      @@MedicIreland thank you for your support.

  • @fintonmainz7845
    @fintonmainz7845 2 года назад +1

    Its not credible that saffron was so widely used.

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 года назад

      Most people would have used other dyes but it was highly sought after.

  • @gradyratliff2034
    @gradyratliff2034 2 года назад

    Noticing...no...embroidery...on...sleaves.

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 года назад

      I have never seen that nor any reference to such a thing or any depictions of it in artwork. Do you have any information on that?

  • @johnnyquest5727
    @johnnyquest5727 11 месяцев назад

    Rarely do i see anything from the Old Days that I would NEVER wear . . . but this might be one of them. I suppose that near the big cities around here it's OK because they are now very progressive and full of homo-sex-y'alls and cross-dressers. But wear that up in the mountains and run into some Goold Old Boys poaching deer . . . and you might hear Dueling Banjos. 😉

    • @hewhodoes8073
      @hewhodoes8073 5 месяцев назад

      What a weird thing to say

    • @johnnyquest5727
      @johnnyquest5727 5 месяцев назад

      @@hewhodoes8073 I guess you're from one of those places where they're still struggling to define what a woman is and who's supposed to go into a Ladie's Room. LOL

    • @hewhodoes8073
      @hewhodoes8073 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@johnnyquest5727 I'm a good ole boy from the mountains and I don't feel inlcined to sexually assault someone because they're wearing a linen tunic

  • @Slievenamon
    @Slievenamon 4 месяца назад

    What an impractical item of clothing. Imagine trying to fight while wearing that LOL. I would rather animal skins- more manly too.

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  4 месяца назад

      I have a video of sparring in one on the channel it's not that difficult

  • @Strawberry-12.
    @Strawberry-12. 2 года назад +1

    What other colors did they use

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 года назад

      As far as we know they didn't saffron was the only colour used. Other yellow dyes were used but always a yellow.

    • @Strawberry-12.
      @Strawberry-12. 2 года назад

      @@ramblingkern was it just down to fashion or was their another reason

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 года назад

      @@Strawberry-12. its hard to say there could be a cultural significance but so many irish manuscripts have been destroyed there is little in the lines of text to read for the reasons.

    • @Strawberry-12.
      @Strawberry-12. 2 года назад +1

      @@ramblingkern ok thanks. Great content keep it up

    • @ramblingkern
      @ramblingkern  2 года назад

      @@Strawberry-12. you are very welcome and I appreciate the support.