Fujifilm X-Pro4 My Crazy Hopes and Predictions (Don't Kill Me)
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2024
- The Fujifilm X-Pro Line a staple in the Fujifilm World. It's how it all started, it's the only camera named PRO, it's the "poor men's Leica"... It's a lot of things.
Well, I believe Fuji should make this even more complicated by dramatically innovating its design, leaving behind some of the things that made this camera famous.
Please do not consider my ideas as rumors, the only trusted source for rumors is @FujiRumorsOfficial . Mine are predictions and hopes.
Let's find out what i predict, what I want, and what Fuji should be doing in my opinion.
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00:00 - Intro
02:50 - Sensor & Processor
04:50 - Body & Controls
15:20 - Features
21:28 - Conclusions
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Video Recorded with the following gear:
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X pro 2 body with x t5 specs and screen. No hybrid view finder. My dream
I'd prefer an EVF with the same body. Sure you can can just get an XT series, but I have a bigger nose, so the EVF position in a pro body like that would be perfect.
@@normandy2501 it's funny how these things matter. I like to wear a baseball cap so when turning the camera vertical it cases problems with the xpro body. Not so much was the x-t. But I love shooting the xpro cameras 🙈
Nice to see you again Luca. I’m still using the X-T4 and I’m more than happy with it, I don’t have any intentions of upgrading to the X-T5 or the X-H’s, but if the Xpro-4 is everything you mentioned, I’ll buy it, not to replace anything, but it sounds like a great new toy to have. Be well and stay safe.
Thank you Enrique!
Great content as always Luca, thank you.
Thanks!
You don’t want an X-Pro camera. You just want it to be like all the other cameras, but in that case… what’s the point of the X-Pro? Just use the X-T series instead. They seem to do what you want.
I disagree sinplifying the OVF in the 3 is removing pro features. For me the larger OVF was a huge improvement over the 2, espescially for people who wear glasses (like myself). The OVF is much larger and works really well for me in anything from 23mm (35mm equiv) to 50mm (75mm equiv). And it even works reasonably well with 18mm (28mm equiv). This is pretty close to what Leica does.
EVFs just aren’t the same. The OVF is main reason for the existence of the X-Pro line for me. I don’t want to look at a screen when I take photos. If anything I think Fuji should consider an OVF-only X-Pro camera.
As for the screen. X-Pro line *is* the one where Fuji make niche designs that don’t target a wide audience. They got all the other cameras for stuff that have super wide appeal.
The flippy screen does *not* allow for the same efficient workflow as the X-Pro3. The X-Pro3 let’s me keep the screen hidden most of the time, but allow me to *very quickly with a single motion* bring out the screen for a waist level shot and the as quickly hide the screen again. *No other camera allows for this efficient way of shooting.*
As for battery life: if you use OVF and don’t use the LCD much you actually have pretty good battey life on the 3. :)
I get your point and it makes sense if you use the OVF a lot. If I were in your spot I would share the same opinion.
I wouldn't however agree on the battery and the screen. The battery has to be the new one, no questions asked.
The screen, in the solution like the Sony A7RV would allow for the best of both worlds, letting you shoot with the hidden screen, and others shoot in a more flexible way.
The reason I want a modern rangefinder style camera is because the viewfinder on the left of the camera makes a lot of sense from a shooting experience standpoint. Regardless of the type of viewfinder we're talking about
@@LucaPetraliaPhotography I get the appeal of the viewfinder placement, it's nice to not hit your nose.
As for the A7RV screen I don't think that still provides the sheer efficiency I mention with the X-Pro3. I can bring down a waist level screen in *a single motion* , and I can also completely hide it as easily. On most cameras without hidden screens, yes you can turn off the LCD, but you have to flip through dozen of view modes in order to get it to hide (and often you overshoot). That said, if I could set a custom button to toggle the screen on and off *in a single button press* that would go a long way, but so far I've never seen this from anyone (including Fuji).
I suppose a X-T4 screen maybe sort of could be a compromise, but that's slow too.
Hmm. Actually, what could work for me is if Fuji put in a X-T3/X-T5 style screen (or even A7RV) and *had an option to make the automatically screen only turn on if you flip it out, otherwise turn it off* . That allow me to more or less replicate the way I use my X-Pro3 screen now. I don't care about the screen being hidden as such, I just don't want it shining in my face when I'm not doing waist-level shots.
I'd still really want the OVF though, but I suppose I maybe should just admit that I'm probably a true optical rangefinder person and start saving up for a Pixii or even a Leica M… but it's sooo much money, and I kinda like having autofocus.
Anyway, thanks for answering!
Totally agree with everything on your 'X-Pro 4' wish list, Luca! No repeat of the X-Pro3 screen and no flippy screen please. The one on the X-T3 / 5 works for still photographers. If anyone wants to use the cameras for Vlogging, use the phone and X-App (why does nobody seem to mention that?). I have one more general wish for future Fuji cameras: make the control button layout more similar between all camera models. Like many, I am using more than one X-system camera (currently X-T5, X-Pro2 and X-E3) and it is annoying to keeping searching for function buttons on my cameras of the X-system line. Why do Q buttons, playback buttons etc. have to be on opposite sides of different models? Cheers!
Luka, you're absolutely fabulous. I totally agree will all of your wishlist. Also great feedback about the clickable dial on future X-H3S. I however hopefully they'll upgrade the stacked sensor to at least 36 millions
Thank you. I don't think they will update the stacked sensor with the next generation. If anything I would expect that in the X-H4 line, or even the 5th generation
The day Fuji stops making cameras with OVFs is the day I start saving up for a digital Leica M.
If you're a manual focus type of guy that would probably be the endgame anyways (although the price is way out of reach for most people). Otherwise I'm sure you'd miss the autofocus so much that you would go back to regular mirrorless (not necessarily Fuji) very soon
@@LucaPetraliaPhotographyI just wish we could keep on having at least *one* interchangable lens mirrorless autofocusing camera with an OVF. 😌
The OVF really is the most important for me, anything else I can live with.
Oh but that is more than legit, I knew my hopes would be very different than many hard core X-Pro users. And to be honest, I don't think they'll get rid of the Hybrid viewfinder with this generation
I pretty much agree with everything you said Luca. Except, and you know what I’m going to say, the viewfinder. The hybrid viewfinder is what makes this camera what it is. Otherwise what’s the point? It’s unique. You say that there’s no interest in hybrid viewfinders but you forget about the X100V. The hybrid VF doesn’t seem to stop the high demand for that. The frame lines in OVF really are brilliant. I am still using X-Pro 2 cameras for my professional and personal work. And whilst I use EVF maybe 2/3 of the time, I still use the frame lines in OVF when really needing to nail composition. There’s nothing else like it. I’d even say to make the 4 slightly larger. Ultimately, for me, this is a real photographer’s camera so all the other stuff around it can go. Ok, it has to match up in the key specs but It’s all about the viewfinder. Let’s hope they stick to their original idea about this amazing camera and don’t lose their soul. Thanks for this
I get it, I knew for some the viewfinder is key to the whole design. And the X-Pro 2 is a great one. My point is they limited it already with the X-Pro 3, you wouldn't probably like it. So at that point get rid of it. I would understand keeping it if they go back to the original idea, different magnifications, with a bigger and more advanced one, not keeping the X-Pro 3 idea
@@LucaPetraliaPhotography Yes, I didn’t like how they limited the X-Pro 3 viewfinder. I wasn’t bothered about the screen argument (I don’t use that to chimp anyway), for me it was all about getting the VF right. The hybrid VF is a technically difficult and expensive thing to produce and I can understand why fujifilm might be baulking at the whole idea of it. But it’s the heart of what the X-Pro is. Take that away and it’s just another digital camera. An X-Pro without it is no longer an X-Pro - as you suggested, an XE-Pro. I, for one, would very much miss the frame lines in the OVF. And I refuse to pay £10-£12k for a Leica M just to get frame lines. Looks like I’m going to have keep on with my X-Pro 2 camera then. Thanks again
I still own the X-Pro1 since its release and I loved the ovf idea at the beginning but I have quickly realized that I have used the evf in most cases as the ovf was simply impractical with longer lenses
so when can we count on fuji to release this beauty in your opinion?
I don't know... I don't think they will get rid of the optical viewfinder yet
It’s been ages waiting for the xpro4 .
I am already looking for an leica m or q .
I can’t wait forever
I believe the wait is almost over. My bet is the camera will be announced before March. And if you have good Fuji lenses I would wait. Switching to Leica isn't economical. Also Leica's upgrade cycle is slower than Fuji's
As an owner of an X-Pro3 with an external submonitor that just failed I support your suggestion on the monitor design.
Thanks!
My first Fuji mirrorless camera was the X-Pro2 which I pre-ordered when I first saw Lok Cheung using it on DR-TV. I love it and it is still my favourite body. I have also added an X-T2, X-T3, X-T4, X-T5 and a couple of weeks ago, the X-H2. I never liked the X-Pro3 but if the X-Pro4 has a screen either like the X-T4 OR X-T5, and has the larger battery and perhaps the 40mp sensor, then I will buy that too. If not, I have to be honest, I am very tempted by the Nikon Zf.
The issue with the Nikon is the lens selection for now. But yes, it's a compelling option
Xpro 4, needs a better autofocus and hopefully a higher resolution, that’s about it, size wise it’s perfect.
I hope it keeps the con sealed screen, definitely one of it’s great features.
This is a rangefinder style camera, not a standard DSLR not digital compact.
Rangefinders still exist to this day for a very good reason, they excel in areas of photography that the DSLRs and other compacts can not.
I think most of the negative comments about this camera tend to come from people who don’t understand how or what to use a rangefinder style camera for.
Fuji would be dumb to drop this range, as they are the only company offering an affordable alternative to the legendary Leica M range.
As I said, I have used and loved the X-Pro 1 since its debut for years, because of its layout. However electronic viewfinders were really bad, and the camera could use a lot of lenses with the OVF. The last iteration of the camera partially limited that with the narrower OVF field of view, and at the same time electronic viewfinders are becoming increasingly good and easy to use on a daily basis.
Last, but not least, shooting from the LCD screen is becoming more and more used even by pros.
That's the whole point about what I want in the next generation.
Of course I knew many would still love the hybrid solution
I love my X-pro 2;I didn’t get the X-Pro 3 because I don’t like the weird back screen. If the X-E3 and X-Pro 2 had a baby, that would be my dream camera. With that said, it’s got to have IBIS, I say lose the optical viewfinder, it’s too limiting; it’s basically only good with the 23mm and 35mm. I’d like the camera to be smaller and I’d like a pivoting screen like that on the X-T5. Great video, thanks.
Thank you
Totally agree with everything in spite of me liking the ovf, I agree that we need a solution for lenses wider than 23mm or rather kill the concept. Price wise, must be something that makes sense. I’m a Fuji lover but the way to my heart goes through my pocket. Otherwise some may start to think on switching to other brands.
100% agree with you
IBIS, new battery, and the viewfinder magnification = Perfection
My X-Pro4 wishlist:
- Same size as X100
- 28mm (18mm) framelines
- Tilting screen
- Same industrial design style as GFX100 II
Thanks for sharing!
I agree with you
Thanks
Good and sharp modern EVF, a tilt (or even fixed) screen, smart focus ability with manual lenses (like Nikon Zf) + AF, sensor and IBIS of the X-T5... all these features would be perfect for the X-Pro line. Such a camera would complement nicely a Leica M, there is certainly a market for that, even at the price of an X-H2S.
Agree 100%
I'm not convinced we will get an X-Pro4 but I sure hope we do. Seems like we should have heard something by now. Although I never used the OVF function on the Pro-1 or Pro-2 (always used EVF) there is a certain aesthetic to it that so sets Fuji apart with this design. And looks matter given the rave of people buying X100's just for the hipster look on TikTok. I hope they keep this a "photographer's camera" and don't push the a video specs too much...Fuji has plenty of other great options for the video crowd. An X-Pro2 with a semi-articulating screen and IBIS would hit the target. Sony has the full frame A7C with IBIS and lacks the OVF which is similar to what you're describing here albeit Sony's viewfinder is abysmal. The previous X-Pro's flew off the shelves and I'm sure an X-Pro4 that isn't a radical departure from the previous design philosophy will sell like hot cakes..
My money is there, waiting for that camera to be released. If the camera has Ibis and the 40mp sensor, together with a screen that makes sense... I'll buy it, even with the hybrid viewfinder
XPRO 4 - Less buttons , No screen That´s my wish ! Keep it simple and Beautiful!!!!!
That ain't gonna happen I guess
I mean same screen as xpro3!!
I would be happy with xt5 specs but a higher resolution screen/viewfinder and 5-7 stop built in stabilization along with built in filters like the xpro100. Wow!! I would buy and never sell this camera.. if there is a camera god that it is listening (I mean you Fuji) let it be so!! 😅
Let's hope in the photography God then
The xpro makes you feel the romance as a photographer, more so than a mirrorless slr type.
Agreed, I'm not fighting that
I think it would be great to go for Sony's top EVF, the 9.4? million dot one from the A1, Siii and Rv, which is the same one the new GFX uses. I think honestly as soon as a better evf is available no camera unless super budget should come out with a lower tiered evf.
I would be ok even with something like the X-H2 line. 5mp, comfortable view, very good quality. Of course I wouldn't say no to something better
@@LucaPetraliaPhotography You probably know but this 'million dot' nomenclature does not actually equate to full pixels. As in, a 5 million dot EVF is not 5MP. They use 'million dots' to abstract the fact that most cameras still have relatively low resolution displays in them.
The real number of pixels I THINK, is divided by three because a pixel is made up of three sub pixels or 'dots'.
@@definingslawek4731 you are right there, I meant dots, not megapixels
lol so your "crazy" hopes are xpro series to be less crazy and more functional (and you know what? I agree with you :) )
Let's hope then😅
It really makes no sense to say something like - it would be bold for Fuji to get rid of the hybrid viewfinder, when literally all other cameras do not have one. Why would it be bold to remove the very thing that makes it bold? They would be making it conventional, normal. You seem to be critiquing the concept based on the poor execution in the XPro 3. That camera was a nightmare of dumb mistakes and they should fix those on the 4. Bring back the DPad, correct the screen, develop a game changing hybrid viewfinder, give us a discreet photo/video switch that changes the aperture settings etc. for each mode so we can fluidly jump between both.
I think it would be great for the video mode to have more on the go journalistic features to run and gun a bit. This would match the feel and use case of the camera body. IBIS, autofocus, and some clever software in camera could go a long way to making some very compelling video features that aren't standard on other systems. 32 bit float would be cool for the audio, level checking during a riot wouldn't be needed!
I'm with you in the sense that if they want to keep the design they have to get us a fully functional camera. If they make it the way you want, I wouldn't be mad for sure
I would love Fujifilm to take a leap of faith and make it simple - Leica simple. They probably won't, but I can dream 🙂
I agree 100% about the OVF.
You defined it perfectly... a Leap of Faith! I like that
You want the x-pro 4 smaller and with an electronic viewfinder only. Well that would be an x-e5
Just wait for that.
It wouldn't, because the X-E5, assuming they didn't cancel the line, would be a basic every level camera. The camera I want isn't that, it's a pro, without the hybrid viewfinder
I.M.O..considering what fuji has said about the xpro will be headed towards a more luxury camera. It will still be an xpro as we know it. It will introduce IBIS, a higher resolution sensor, different ovf/evf. New battery, it will be bigger and heavier. It will only come in semi precious metals bodys and be priced around the same as nikon z7 mark 2. It will be lot more expensive. IBIS and hybrid evf's are the most expensive mechanisms to make. Fuji will lean into it this time. Last time they tried to convert the popularity of film into digital. It didn't work, so they'll double down on the xpro strong fan club that they alienated with that screen. Either way, the xpro4 will be more expensive than most capable full frame cameras. Im calling it now.
I believe you are probably right on everything
@@LucaPetraliaPhotography It makes the most sense for fuji. The XT and XH lines cover a wide variety of bases for casual and work purposes. The GF series cover a good amount of commercial use. The xpro will be focused more on users who simply photography for photography itself. In some ways it will be more akin to leica's than ever before. The duratech finishes will just be stock standard. My only reservation is that the body will have to be retooled slightly. Retooling is an expensive exercise in manufacturing. Hence the xpro will be about the same price as amid range, capable full frame body. I can't see it being made in huge numbers and it will basically be for people like myself who genuinely enjoy the xpro shape and functionality more, but were put off by some of the xpro 3 design decisions.
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my hope (impossibile): telemeter for manual focus
You know better than me that ain't gonna happen. But if it did, it would make more sense than the hybrid solution
There wont be a high mp sensor xpro4 because the smaller lenses cannot bring the results. Easy. So either new sharper fujicrons and a high mp sensor or an altogether skipping of this model leading to high prices for the zpro2 and 3. This is already visible on ebay…..
Prices for the X-Pro are going up because of the x-100v success in my opinion
I certainly hope they do not come up with the camera you wish for.
I am eagerly waiting for a more Leica like X Pro 4.
I don’t really care about a Ricoh GR camera from Fujifilm.
It depends on what Leica though... Q3? It's the camera I described. M11? It's a camera that fuji will never make, if you want the true rangefinder. The next case scenario for what I think you want is basically going back to the X-Pro2 design language, with the new sensor and processor, and the screen from the X-T5.
I see them going to a 50MP for the X-PRO4. Why FUJI? One simple reason, FUJI RECIPE'S! No one else does this!
It would be crazy to have 4 different sensors in the same generation, I'm already surprised they are currently managing to have 3... I don't see that happening
What "pro" in the name of this camera stands for? Proactive? Prohipster? Proletarian? Promotive? Progressive? What?
You know the answer, I'm sure about that
The reason to choose the X-Pro is that it competes with and beats the Leica M. It gives the purist experience with the option to have autofocus and built in evf for when you want it. (Not to mention close focus) Therefore the OVF is essential. It could be improved by giving an even simpler electronic rangefinder style system in the OVF. There are plenty of other cameras to choose from if you want the experience you speak of in the video. As for the screen, any kind of screen that can be hidden neatly will do 👍🏻 TBH i dont mind whT they do with the X-Pro4 as they have already made the X-PRO3!!
I get your point, but if you try the Q3, which is arguably the most Leica of the non M series, you don't feel the need for an OVF. A high quality evf is a great experience.
On the other hand, if they keep the hybrid viewfinder they have to go back to a more usable one, like those of the previous series, where you could use a wider range of lenses
Hope Fujifilm listens to you😊
Thanks!
No good cameras from fuji are available to purchase, while others are discontined. Fuji are kinda pushing their customers to consider other options. I waited forever for xpro4 and spent the money on Nikon ZF. If Nikon releases a range finder version of ZF, It is probably game over for fuji. Wake up Fuji!
I disagree on the initial statement. There's plenty of good cameras available for purchase from Fuji. I do agree, however, on the fact that they have to step up their game from now on.
Agreed, if Nikon develops a “retro” range of cameras including a rangefinder styled after their offerings from the 50s and 60s, watch your back Fuji, Nikon is gunnin’ for ya.
@@cameraman655 and Nikon should definitely try to eat that part of the market... it's on Fuji to come up and step up their game. But not so much in cameras, but with lenses. My next video is going to focus on this
@@LucaPetraliaPhotography Indeed, glad to see another player in this realm, nothing like some serious competition to wake up a complacent Fuji. Will I switch…? Gotta tell ya, I was with Canon for close to 40 years (flirted with Nikon F3 in the 80s), but making the switch, man that's a pain in the ass and having 2 systems, not my style, I tend to “marry” into a system. If Nikon does indeed go down this path, I will definitely be looking very seriously at defecting.
Keep the dials and a keep the ‘Pros’ a PASM-Free camera, I’ll be happy. Still lovin my ‘3’ and ‘2’.
I think we need a new gfx50rii 1st instead of a new xpro4
I'd say we need both. They're not mutually exclusive
The viewfinder is useless
Not useless, but less useful than many may think
@@LucaPetraliaPhotography yep. I like the honest direct dslr view for composing