Andrew Gosden on BrainScratch Searchlight
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- Опубликовано: 7 авг 2024
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It really touched my heart that his parents deposited money in his bank account in case he needed it.
i know... what a loving thing to do for him ♡
Well I am amazed that anyone would do different than that.. What are you saying, that is normal to not leave money when a kid leaves home.. What..? I am quite sure that police even wants you to do that because of the trace.. Like what are you talking about this.. Touched your hart
@@vekuis shussh
Not evey parent has the means or would think of that, somebody could have access to his account. Being sarcastic about somebody else's thoughts, unhelpful and comes off as bullying
@@vekuis boooo
@@vekuisThis is the first time I've heard of anyone having the presence of mind to think of that. Not that they wouldn't want to do it if they did think to do it. When you have so much weighing heavily on your mind, some things just aren't thought of.
Don't be so judgey and argumentative.
He also could've bought a one way ticket, because he was under the impression that he had a an actual ride back.
Arpeggio True
Arpeggio maybe some creep lured him to london.
Like Louis Daynes. :(
Or he planned to come back on a different day!
Chris G He didnt pack anything indicating that he would be gone for longer than a day.
The fact that he did not bring any clothes or important belongings makes me feel that there was someone he was expecting to stay with that promised to provide these things for him.
He had relatives in London so maybe was going to stay with them.
Or to bring him back home
So glad you have covered this. He was only 14 at the time of his disappearance. Can't believe it's been 10 years. It was massive in the media at the time here in UK . FYI you are pronouncing Yorkshire correctly.
ISH D never heard of Andrew til today 1 October 2017
I´d never heard of him til today; 14.9.2018 (spookily enough) I´m from Preston, Lancashire :(
it wasn’t massive in the uk unfortunately. madeleine mccanns disappearance was
I can't help but be particularly disturbed that Andrew was last seen at King's Cross Station. As an ex-homeless street boy in London myself, (aged 13-16) I know that that is one of the most dangerous places to be. I want so badly to believe that he's ok but I can't help but feel that he's not. Without going into too much detail, King's Cross is notorious for paedophile rings, they lie in wait outside the station watching for runaways getting off the trains. It's their stamping ground, they can flog them off in cafes just across the road and if the fruit machine is facing the right way you can buy them for the price of a pint. This was a young naive kid from Yorkshire, he would never, no matter how bright, have been able to deal living rough on the streets of London. I am not suggesting for one moment that this is the case here and man, trust me, I hope that it's not, but it's certainly something that should be considered.
He's obviously dead as fuck. No one thinks otherwise.
Conor Leeson scary
This is exactly the scenario that went through my mind. Victoria was pretty much the same 30 years ago, it is heartbreaking because I am sure you are bang on there.😢
Conor Leeson go to the local police with that info if they have locked up pervs they can re interview any operating at that time
Yeah I was worried that a 14 year old boy wouldn't survive on the streets of London x
I have tons of family in London and all over the U.K., I will definitely be forwarding this to as many people as possible!
Goddess X never heard of Andrew til today 1 October 2017 . Are you on Twitter?
Irene Davo no I don't do the twitter, just fb. And reluctantly at that.
Andrews case is eerily similar to Breck Bednar's case. A 14 year old boy who was highly intelligent but spent most of his time online gaming. He was groomed online by an 18 year old male:Lewis Daynes who pretened to be a sucessful app inventor/computer whizz. When Breck's parents became worried about the time he spent online gaming and communicating with this person, they took his computer away. Only to find out after, that Lewis had sent Breck a mobile phone so they could contine to communicate without his parents knowing. He lured Breck to his flat, tried to sexually assault him and ended up killing him. This happened in 2014 and very little was known then about online predators, so in 2007 there would have been even less if any info at all about online predators. I would say its more than likely Andrew was groomed online through the use of his gaming console and his hand held console and had made arrangements to meet up in London. If this person was able to convince Andrew to skip school and board a train to London without telling his parents, then its likely he was told they would make sure he got home so he would only need to buy a one way ticket. However from my experience buying train tickets in the UK, its very rare to be told by a ticket seller, its only £1 more to buy a return. .It was never clear whether Andrew bought a child ticket-I assume it would have been and if thats the case then I would also have thought that a young kid buying a one way ticket to London when he should be at school would have warranted a phonecall to the rail transport police by the ticket seller or the ticket inspector on the train. Regardless of these facts and what we now know about online predators, its likely Andrew was a victim of an online predator. Personally Id be looking at peadophile gangs/ peadophiles operating in that area at the time Andrew went missing and peadophiles that were known to use online gaming to groom kids and subsequently charged and sent to prison.
In the UK the only program on TV that featured people/kids who had gone missing was Crimewatch and that hasnt been on TV for years. The only times we hear of these 'disappearances' is when the killers are caught. There should be a lot more media outlets and TV featuring these types of cases in the UK because like America, a lot of people in the UK disappear without a trace and go unreported. This needs to change and more needs to be done. The amount of money 13 million thats been spent on Madelaine McCann and the amount of tv programs made about Fred & Rosemary West is ridiculous. Every missing person case in the UK deserves the same amount of attention and funding, Im ashamed to say Im British/English when clearly there isnt. Thank God for lordonArts Brainscratch podcasts, I hope you do more podcasts about missing persons in the UK
Cant look away from the fact that he DIDN'T seem to want a return ticket....
I heard from another video covering this case that someone showed up at a police station a few years later, saying they had information on Andrew Gosden, but they were told to come back the next day because the station was closed. The person never came back.
Dianababe omg that is just messed up!!!
Police don't give a fuck. They just like the wage .
I heard that as well. It's effing infuriating!
Well there goes the info they need to solve it. Great police work huh?
British police and missing children....strangest things happening there.
I saw an excellent documentary on this case, wish I could remember the name and link. One of the things they covered was his gaming console. Forgive me because I don't know the technical details, but it was a model that would have allowed him to have private chats that would not be saved. The theory was that he was groomed through this game. It fits with a number of things, the fact that he was hard to wake up that morning - up late chatting and gaming? One way ticket, thought he was getting a lift home? Not a runaway, I think he was groomed and met his abductor in London.
A. Morrigan that makes sense to me. Im aways seeing my nephews talking to ppl on those gaming consoles. As young naive teens they tend to believe what they are told online. We as their chaperones have to stay on it as much as possible. I pray that his parents fight to keep the strength to find the truth. I hope tho that he is still out there so we can have one with a good ending.
Xea Clare - is there a link missing in yoour reply? Otherwise I don't understand. Unless you mean this episode of Brainscratch? And clearly, no, that wasn't the documentary I meant.
A. Morrigan scary! What have his school friends said?
A. Morrigan I think she was saying "THIS" because she agrees with your theory. 😊
I had a PSP on release (same model as Andrew) and it was a big thing because unlike is it had internet access. thats pretty much where games like call of duty were born. Socom for instance was a military game that had full 15 v 15 matches with voice and text chat- I know alot of other games at the time had similar features taking advantages of these 'new' capabilities for the time. I met alot of other cool like minded kids on there but I can deff imagine that there would be creeps lurking those same game chats as well.
King''s Cross is not the sort of area you want to be sleeping rough, or a child on your own.
@PeckyThePigeon ack will you just fuck off
A sensitive, informed and well researched review John, I spoke with Andrew's father about it yesterday, he said he was aware you had done it. A sad case indeed. Hope you are well....
Putting myself in his shoes, as I had similar interests at that age, my instinct has always been that he was going to meet someone he'd met online, and the most likely place for that meeting would've been Camden market. Camden is near enough to Kings Cross that he could've got a bus there and not needed to use the Underground, though the Tube is probably easier if you don't know where you're going.
You could walk it honestly
You could. It's said he knew landmarks in London, just not sure how extensively he knew his way around on foot.
I would wager that he went to Camden Town also on a Mon-Fri work day the market would have been open and not much to do in London that's exciting between 11:20am and the few hours he had left before he had to get back before it was noticed that he was missing from school.
If he had walked it that area between King's Cross and Mornington Crescent (and then Camden Town tube station) is a bit dodgy but not 'that' dodgy during the morning / midday. I think there was a movie set in that area called SummersTown or something similar.
Dave Dogge I don't find it dodgy at all in daytime. But I wouldn't have my teenager going there at night.. But I agree that the most likely place he was going, if he hadn't agreed to met the person in an arcade with a particular game they could have talked about. Then we have more opportunities . Too bad about the delay with the cctv. They are everywhere in London , so he should have been easy to teach if he didn't walk straight in to a car
My heart really goes out to his father, as a father myself I couldn't imagine what it would be like going through this. Terrifying thinking how some people are predators and can do unspeakable stuff to a child... Im not a religious person at all but I pray he's okay and to all the other parents who have lost their kids....
Justintricate, I feel the same way...Poor Andrew and poor dad and family members..
Andrew and I were both close in age in 2007. I'm 23 now, and we listen to the same type of music - and I did back then, too. In school, people who listened to 'different' music were often seen as weird, and didn't tend to make as many friends. I wasn't inherently bullied, just kind of ignored. At the time, I lived in a small town in the south of Ireland. I was originally from the capital, and the more I struggled socially, the more I fantasised about going back all by myself. I didn't want to leave my family, though, and obviously couldn't pull that off at 13, so I settled for travelling to the capital every weekend or so to meet the friends I'd made online and at concerts who had the same interests as I did.
I don't think it's a huge stretch to say maybe he ran away to try and find a community where he was accepted, and where there was more of a music scene. I know when I was that age, I visited Camden several times and swore I'd move there one day to be close to a scene I felt I belonged to. Did he want to join a band? Did he want to be closer to the music scene he liked? Did he feel like it'd be easier to live in a city where no one knows you, than in a smaller town/city where many people know you? These are all just things that I thought of when I lived in that small town and fantasised about running away. Just something to think about.
I think this is a plausible theory and offers interesting perspective.
I agree that law enforcement should have another branch of investigators only for missing people. Prayers for the family. Thank you John.
Something I'm wondering is if through is music interests he met someone older than him, maybe 18ish or older, who invited him out to this concert and said he could come live with him in London. He could have been tricked into thinking he had a good place to stay in London. The fact he didn't buy a return ticket has me pretty sure there was someone he was meeting to stay with.
I feel the same way, the other person involved was likely into slipknot themselves and probably only a few years older (possibly met this person elsewhere in the past and he trusted people nearer to his age). Or this person told him to wear a t-shirt that would make him easy to spot in a crowd, kids often wear "band" t-shirts when they are meeting like minded individuals in the city. I believe Andrew was thinking of running away or at least staying away for a weekend, either he decided to stay permanently and never return home or the person involved in his disappearance spent a lot of time trying to earn his trust over a long period of time, Andrew bought into the kindness and it cost him his life, the only question is if he is deceased the body must be well hidden. For me the main clue is that he refused getting a return ticket, i dont think he intended to return the same day at the very least.
That seems very reasonable! Might also be why he didn’t leave a note, as he wasn’t concerned with his own safety and maybe thought he’d just show up again after his trip
Right.
Perfect pronounciation on 'Yorkshire' the first time, John. Nice to see you cover a UK one again. [Ben]
I remember reading that a man visited a Hertfordshire police station with information regarding Andrew Gosden, but had left by the time there was someone to talk to him. Been following this case for a while now and I hope Andrew is safe, can't imagine what his family are going through.
Poor Andrew - this really is a mysterious and sad case. Thanks for doing this John.
Didn't someone turn up at a police station at one point claiming through the intercom to have info on the case? But by the time police arrived to question the man he had gone. Also in the footage of Andrew leaving the station there is a reflection of a man in front of him that looks as if he may have been waiting there for Andrew. Especially as the man has never come forward to be identified.
I believe he showed up at the police station claiming to have information but he was told to come back the next morning as the station was closed but he never did.
rodster6 yes I wonder why the police never released the guys photo as no doubt the station would have had cctv
NICK DUFFY
Yeah... if it wasn’t deleted
My grandad was also a pedo , died at 98 , evil bstard
Massive update. Two men arrested today in connection with Andrews disappearance. 1 for abduction, child trafficking and indecent images, the other for abduction and child trafficking.
Sadly, I believe Andrew moved on to the next dimension.
He bolted to London. Ran away. It's that simple. Age fourteen, it happens. Not thinking clearly. The CCTV film shows him arriving there.
Once there....
It takes fifteen seconds for a 180 pound man to overpower a 120 pound person. Fifteen seconds.
Life is ugly, full of ugly creatures, and they don't wear a sign saying "I'm Dangerous". Young kids cannot just wander around train and bus stations and concerts.
Please, if you are young, and reading this....Learn from it.
I lost a young relative. It's quite a load, that you carry every day. Peace to his family amen
So sad his poor parents, when you read the letter it made me cry.....
Wow, that one made me cry. Thanks for your thorough and compassionate insights.
Thank you so much John for covering andrew on searchlight, I live in the UK and this case hardly ever gets media coverage anymore
edmundandlucy never heard of him til today 1 October 2017
Irene Davo exactly, his case, like so many others, are hardly in the media now, it's not fair that cases like the madeline McCann one get all the attention, and others are swept aside and forgotten about
So you wouldn't be surprised that there's new information & phone data in regards to the disappearance of Claudia Lawrence in York which has only been reported in the local newspapers and the local police website & that's only if you look for the information! The Lack of media involvement doesn't help unless of course you're a missing daughter of middle class parents!
Great work!
Trace Evidence has another great podcast on this case.
This is the best video I’ve seen on this tragic story. I almost stopped looking it up because every video was the same, literally just reading Wikipedia for views but you genuinely seem to care about what you do and bring more to it than others. Some details here, like you mention, that you don’t hear anywhere else.
I’ll subscribe and watch your work.
Thank you.
In the UK a return train ticket is only valid for the same day. So he would not buy a return ticket if for example he was going to travel to London, stay the night and return home the following morning/day/night. He's need to purchase a new single ticket that day. This makes me wonder if that was the reason for not buying the return regardless of its cheap price. Maybe he did aim to return home but for some reason was stopped from doing so.
John thanks soo much for covering international cases. I am from England and I had never heard of this case!
Keep up the great work!
Pudding Scoops you can get other returns?
he could have got an open return, he had a massive amount of cash in order to purchase train tickets.
That's not true, every return train ticket I've bought in England is valid month
@@FatLeonard84 you pay extra for a return ticket to London that's valid for a month and you either have to specify a return journey where your ticket is only valid for that journey or its an open return & you can catch any train or time within a month. The latter costs a lot more. Even though his parents said Andrew could navigate his way around London's public transport system, he might not have understood or taken into account the off peak & peak travel times applicable to train tickets to and from London.
@@sarah5893 maybe that's how it is now, but I remember when I was a kid going to London for gigs back around the time he disappeared that you could get a open return ticket valid for a month for only about £1 or 50p extra compared to a day return, well that's how it was from my town anyway
Another one I have never heard of before..thank you so much, John!
Hi John!
I'm so appreciative of your videos, your respect for everyone involved and your desire to discover the truth!
Thank you so much for doing this one. This is one of the cases that haunts me. I think of and pray for Andrew and his family often. Good job John.
Thank You Me too.
This kid is another version of myself. My favorite band is MUSE and I would also listen to Cradle of Filth and Slipknot when I was younger.I often fantasize about disappearing and starting a new elsewhere as well. Also a gamer and we have the same name. If he wanted to start a new life I hope he made it, living our dream. Cheers, Andrew.
I am SO glad you have looked at Andrews story, this is very close to where I live and has stuck in my mind for the 10 years that he has been missing. I hope and pray that he is found safe and well or that his lovely family get the answers they so desperately need!
the last place you would want a runaway schoolkid to be is around kings cross station......predators galore. he would have no idea of the immense danger surrounding him
I thought the area around King's Cross was cleaned up in the early 2000s (i.e. prostitution etc) and he was around there in the morning / midday so it shouldn't have been too bad then.
I believe there are 2 likely explanations. The first is that he was suicidal and planned to end his life in London. Hence the one way ticket, no spare sets of clothes, no PSP charger etc.
The second, that someone lured him to London and either murdered him, or is still holding him hostage somehow. Andrew's actions seem so deliberate and planned, he had made his mind up about something. He may not have used the computer at home to communicate with this person, but a stranger's involvement can't be ruled out. They may have told him they will look after him, buy him food, clothing etc. or would drive or accompany him back home. He may even have immediately left London with this person, which would explain a lack of sightings/no body found.
Freshy009 Hard to believe his body wouldn't have been found in 10 years unless someone actively hid it. So sad. 😔
@@caseyw.6550 There's water all around England, and ponds/lakes/rivers that go through London
@@hodgescouldntdodgeit4374 Yes...good places to get rid of a body.
@Snyder Alvarez Sandoval how do you know that?
A recent fact from the charity: missing.org there were 69 unidentified remains found across the UK in 2016, a significant increase from the year before. Do our police even have the DNA profiles from persons reported missing and not yet found or do we even have the means of checking DNA profiles with unidentified remains? If so who or which government department is responsible for doing this?
I am so glad that you are covering this case.I literally bawled my eyes out when I went onto the families website and read about everything that his father had went through like having suicidal issues, and just the pure torture that this family has gone through over the loss of what would now be an adult if he survived ..I agree The Daily Mail article is also worth your time if you are interested in what could have happened to Andrew..
Yay !!! Ive been having withdrawals and rewatching all the old ones !!! Thank you !!!
They should have two teams for missing kids: one focusing on the family, one focusing on outside the family.
So pleased you've covered this case John, great job as always. I've followed this from the beginning & seen Andrew's family making appeals on TV. I hope they find resolution one day. Other cases that fascinate me here in the UK are Lee Boxell & Kevin Hicks, both are around the 25-30 years old mark, very sad
Ugh my heart goes out to the family. I too would lose my sanity over my child going missing. This is so sad. 😔
I'm glad you did this video john...will enjoy your thoughts
Such a sad case. I hope the parents get an answer one way or the other. As a parent, this would totally break me as well.
In Switzerland was a similar case.
A 14 year old Boy was lured to Germany and sexually assaulted.
He meet the Men in World of Warcraft.
The Boy has only some money and his PlayStation in his Bagage.
The Men told the Boy not to speak to anybody about the " Adventure "...
The German Police located the Pedo cook and arrested him.The Boy was safe and returned to his parents in Switzerland.
could be, maybe in-game chat is not recorded on some video games or was back then in 2007 so even though this PSP / XBox etc had no main chat logs of anything suspicious maybe the in came communications audio etc could have, if he had a headset and talked to someone in his bedroom via his XBOX then that could be a problem, look at the server game logs to see which users where playing with him on his 'friends' list etc.
This is infuriating. The police dropped the ball on this, big time. Whatever happened, any chance of finding out went with the surveillance footage. It isn't like in the US with Amber Alert where you need to meet certain criteria: a detective can say "all CCTV footage from these areas on my desk, now, because I said so." The biggest problem would be getting people to trawl through it, but there is no reason they couldn't have copies of CCTV from everywhere between Yorkshire and London if needs be.
theakstonsrock I agree it is puzzling why they did nothing sooner, particularly as he was a child at the time. They seemed fixated on the father being the culprit. That poor man, my heart goes out to him. If Andrew was sleeping rough then he was really in danger. It does not look too hopeful. Someone knows something. He looked much younger than his years, more like a twelve-year-old.
I think the police has a lot to answer too about this case, they should of looked in to it, as soon as he was reporting missing, i hope they find answers one day, thank you for coving this case
Thanks for clarifying the internet aspect of this case. It was my first thought, and remains my suspicion, that Andrew was groomed by an internet predator. I don't know if they are as common now, given there are better safeguards in place and more awareness overall, but 2007 is about the time it seemed to be happening a lot.
But if as you say, Andrew did not have access to a computer, a predator's access to him would be circumscribed. Is X-box chatting alone going to allow for the kind of interaction predators operate in? Can it be monitored? I feel like Andrew's movement on his last known day correspond with a pre-arranged rendezvous, but the apparent lack of any cybertracks or even cyberaccess has me totally puzzled.
Bill Slocum Got his money out to buy drugs and or a new identity and ran away.
Bill, I think you very well could be right. In my opinion it breaks down to these three possibilities: a) someone followed him from train station/elsewhere in London b) he met for the first time the wrong kind of people at the rock concert c) he chatted with someone online and planned to meet up with them as you mentioned. If the answer is c, I think he was chatting with the predator on his PSP, which happened to be the only device that he brought with him. If Andrew didn't want his parents to find out about these conversations, the PSP would be a great place to hide them. However, I lean more toward he got abducted at random by someone who saw him on the train/in London/at the concert. Either way, very high probability that foul play was involved.
Chris M - I definitely lean to C, but I can see A as well. B seems possible, but I think if he had been moving around London freely for many hours, he would have left more traces than he did.
Valid point: I'm sure they checked CCTV footage in London... and if he got all the way to the rock concert you would expect other footage of him to be out there. Following this logic, I believe he was abducted just outside of the King's Cross railway station in London, either by someone who spotted him at the previous train station/on the train/outside of King's Cross, or by the person(s) he planned to meet up with. Based on this, I now think it is more probable that he was meeting up with someone, since you're right that the abduction likely happened right outside of King's Cross rail station... which is where someone would have been waiting for him if they planned to meet up. Of course, it would be a good location for a random killer/pedophile looking for vulnerable children as well, so that is still a possibility. Either way, there's a high probability that he got into someone's vehicle outside of the station and was never seen again.
Pulling all of your money out of your bank account and buying a one way ticket to London on a Friday sounds like something someone would tell you to do.... like this man said "Hey, Andrew... if you're ever fed up and want a change, want something new in life, take all the money you've got and buy a one way ticket to London." His actions seem more like following instructions than wanting to disappear to me, especially with reportedly no issues at home and 100% attendance at school.
Very sensitively done John, well done......!!!!
Thanks for doing this John, a really sad and mystifying case.
I remember when this happened, truly a bizarre case. I hope he did disappear on his own will but im not sure that's the case.... I hope one day his family will get answers and that Andrew is okay...
14 years old in London on his own for over 10 years, sadly I doubt that he's been able to survive. The longer a child goes missing the less likely they are to be alive.
Oh, Thankyou. This one is much appreciated
The bottom line is, if he was going to come home, he would have bought a return ticket and he would not have emptied his bank account. What was his online activity the days leading up to his disappearance?
Strange one way ticket for child who had savings so careful with his money
There are a few mistakes here, the return ticket doesn't necessarily mean he had no intention of coming home, return tickets in the UK are same day only, so this just means he didn't plan to return that day, that makes the concert theory hold water as he wouldn't have been able to leave a concert and board a train on a same day return.
Also although he did have xbox, he had no xbox live account and this has been confirmed, meaning the chances of him being groomed are slim.
On top of this, you missed out potentially the most interesting development in the case, which is that someone did come forward to police with information on Andrew, but by the time an officer arrived to take his statement, he was gone, and never answered any appeals to come forward again.
Thanks for covering this John. This is very close to home for me.
me too, born and bred in donny
eigernordwand 101 so have you heard of the Russell Bohling disappearance ? That was weird too. Hull lad I believe. Maybe John could look into Russell's disappearance too.
Im in Hull, ive not heard of that disappearance. Hi fellow UK Searchlighters.
w w murtagh hiya to you too. Yes Russell was definitely known in hull as he went to college with my sister. Here's a Reddit thread, www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/65priq/the_disappearance_of_russell_bohling/
emsie76 not heard of Andrew til today 1 October 2017
There was a RUclips meet up in London that day he went to london.. there is some interesting footage of some parts of the meet up which shows a chap the double of Andrew.. worth a look at....
Have you got a link?
Hi John,
Good work as always, I worked over in North Yorkshire shortly after this time and can give a little background. Doncaster area is full of ex mining communities and Barlby itself has it’s nice areas and also less well off areas, looking at the lad I’d say he very easily could’ve been suffering from some level of bullying at school enough to give him a motive to run away.
London is on a direct rail route to North Yorkshire so would be the quickest route to get furthest away and to a young lad with limited knowledge of the uk he would think of to escape too London first. The one way ticket is definitely a clue to his intention to run away and I’d say he intended to make it permanent by taking away the temptation to return home.
I have limited knowledge of London, but I think it attracts many young runaways a year and he could have melded in to a group. You can survive by begging and several cases in the UK of people making a better living than me from it so certainly a young lad could survive this way.
I know London is a big city, but I’d say it’s fairly difficult to hide a body if he was murdered by a random serial killer, murder yes, keeping it secret in an overcrowded city, quite difficult.
This leaves either he is alive (I think he is) or murdered somewhere other than central London. If he is alive he would struggle to leave the country and travel very far without a passport on less than £100…. I doubt he would know where or how to go about it and he would’ve taken a direct route by ferry form the northern city of Hull which is relatively close (to his home) if it was his original intention to reach the continent. He stopped in London. He isn’t working in a legitimate job, he hasn’t qualifications and his name would have become available on the census by now. There is a strong possibility he isn’t involved in hard drugs (no arrest for petty theft etc.) he’s either still begging on the streets of London, or he is in social housing living off a low wage and the welfare state via his partner. I think guilt or personal circumstances are preventing his contacting his family.
John Monk He could have used his money to buy a new identity. People do that I almost got a fake ID when I was young.
@@krissymissy1888 are you stupid or something? He's a kid he wouldn't need to buy a new identity
I don't know any kid that intentionally runs away from home and doesn't take anything like a coat or change of clothes with them. It's more than likely he was lured to London with tickets to see one of his favourite bands and they said they would take him home after. As for him not buying a return ticket he might not have understood or known about the peak and off peak time's of travel or he could have been told to buy only a single ticket.
You said Yorkshire correctly. My mother was born there. Cheers John and thanks again for your hard work.
Only Day Return Tickets are cheap if he was planning on returning the next day he would have needed an Open Return which is more expensive.
If he was seen sleeping in a park why wasn't the police called ?🙄
Hey John. You had it right the first time. It is York sheer. I'm impressed. I know you then questioned it but I think that's because you've heard it said other ways. I, like some English residents get irked at Americanised pronunciations of British place names. So, well done. Also, on a more serious point,I absolutely love your channel. And what you are doing is very beneficial to society at large in general, and especially helpful and beneficial to all the people looking for answers who are directly connected to the cases you cover and the victims of course. And a bonus of that is that its very interesting and entertaining to all is armchair and computer screen detectives. As ever Peace ✌ and Love ❤
Two men have just been arrested in connection with this disappearance. Arrested on kidnap & human trafficking charges. One is 40+ years old. Not much else is known at the moment, but it could be a big break in the case hopefully.
I bet he went to see a band, probably/ maybe lured there by someone he met online, hence no return ticket. Or maybe just went to see a band, but something happened, drugs, accident. Feel so bad for the family. Good one, John.
Sony checked if he had been communicating via Playstation with anyone, and there hadnt been any communications on it
Hello Lordan! I am one of your followers from France. Have you ever heard of the "Gregory case"? A child was kidnapped and his body was found shorly after. And family members are suspected to be behind the crime.Anyways, thank you for your high quality videos.
Interesting that you are writing today about Gregory. I'm American and just discovered that case last week, only to find that it is probably the most famous murder case in present day France. Yes, the family certainly seems involved because there was a high level of jealousy, rage, people incensed at the politics going on in the family regarding employment opportunities.
Bonjour Emilie,
Welcome! En francaise: Another Frenchman on RUclips? Quest qu c'est? Je parle Francaise mais tres mal. Mange vous une patisserie pour moi! !!! :)
Oui! Je pensais être la seule haha
Hi! Quelle est "etre la seule"?
Reading that appeal from the heart that the family wrote made me think of an angle about him possibly struggling with his sexuality. I think it was the mentioning of "lifestyle" the note said. I think he's at the age where he could have been struggling with these issues. Maybe I'm completely off, but it just came to mind.
I wonder about social media and grooming as well.
I hope he is alive somewhere.
Adriana Rosas lifestyle...usually means always out partying with friends. Or always gone.
Adriana Rosas yes, you are right his father has brought that up in an interview and though the parents are religious they have a very open attitude and said if Andrew was going through doubts about his sexuality it would not have been a problem for them.
Adriana Rosas never heard of Andrew til today 1 October 2017
Adriana Rosas And that is probably how he got groomed by an older boy unfortunately.
I really do feel for Andrews family and hope if Andrew is reading this that he will contact them to say he's ok
Reggie Perrin was a great series, there is no evidence of him dumping his cloths on a beach like in that show so more likely he hooked up with the wrong person & was murdered. Seriously a kid that age stands little chance on the streets in the UK-the weather is horrendous, homeless people are often attacked & most likely he would have been forced into being a rent boy to survive.
Why did the train ticket office not call the police as due to his age . also if Andrew was planning to come home why did he not buy a return ticket . And also there should be more CCTV around London
Didn’t Lewis Daynes send Breck Bednar a phone on the sly so he could continue grooming him? He could’ve met some guy through PSP chat & since he got home before everyone else he could’ve easily gotten a package w/o parents knowing unfortunately 😭
I've been waiting for you to cover this case for ages.
It really is a baffling one.....but I think we all know the most likely thing to have happened to him. Although I hope we're wrong.
If he is alive I'd love to know how the hell he's been living like he's missed his GCSEs so getting a job would be difficult for him. His money wasn't enough to last.
Ive been waiting for this
When he is spotted on cctv in london it does look like he is looking around for someone with the way hes turning his head about so much. From previous interviews with the family ive seen , they do have family in london and he did know the area ( not sure how well tho ) so i wouldnt expect someone who knows the area to look about so much .
Xbox Live has been around since 2002 and if you google "predators on xbox" you're going to get a return of several articles and warnings for young people that use it. That sitcom is fairly dated. It could be that it was a favorite of someone older that he met in a chat who put him onto it. That tv show was based on several novels and its stories contained risque content that had to be toned down for television. The witness that saw him on the train said he was engrossed in his PSP. Perhaps he wasn't playing a game but was using it to chat with someone.
If that was his favourite TV show he must have been a pretty weird kid. It was aimed at disenchanted middle aged people in the 70s, not kids in the noughties. Suspect he had autism and was either murdered by a predator or killed himself. Sad.
I seem to remember his dad saying their whole family like watching that show together. I know I liked some really random shows as a kid because I watched them with my parents.
How do you chat with someone on a psp on a train? I had one and the internet only worked when connected to wifi
Yeah I doubt it, the PSP was WiFi only and there weren’t as many free WiFi options back then.
Rookh Kshatriya it’s a great show. Andrew has good taste. It’s also a book which he enjoyed.
Is it possible that he only bought a one-way ticket because he just wasn't sure what time he'd be returning? Maybe he was planning on buying his ticket home when he was ready to leave from wherever he went to.
I'm not sure if train tickets are the same as in the states. Here a return ticket has a specific departure time, which maybe wouldn't have worked for Andrew if he wasn't sure when he'd be returning.
Just worth noting is that on that day in London was a band named Sikth gig at O2 Islington that is a small walk from Kings Cross and that band are heavy metal and strong ties to Slipknot! Also 30 Seconds to Mars was playing in London that night too. I remember when I was younger I would always dream of travelling to these gigs but never could so maybe he went out on his own accord to go to the show and sadly something might had happened :( hope he is safe somewhere though!
I live in the UK and I have recently noticed billboard advertisements about this missing lad about, I wasn't aware of how old this case was as I was only 9 when this happened :(
People are speculating that it is unlikely he was being groomed? Really? Why do they think that? Everything points to Andrew completing a secret mission. Secret from his parents that is.
I have to say I am his age (living in the USA) and in 2007 I was not any kind of computer wiz. I remember 2007 being a year of music for me, and I was into the same kind of music he was. I had to delv in a little on this one and I saw there was a new arena that had opened in London called the O2 arena in London. If Andrew was anything like me at that age I would have hiked to see my chemical romance playing althere november 15th. Also I had a lot of contact with strangers on MySpace instant messenger. I would put my heart into this theory as I too had a carrier bag with bands and side bangs. It's not a positive thought, considering staying with a stranger could have lead to his demise. Though, he could have met some groupies and followed such a lifestyle, drugs could have been introduced as well. I think if we could find some footage of the concert or photographs taken we might spot him with a group. Just a thought
Either someone predatory followed him from the train or he met with someone at the concert... but 98% chance foul play is involved here. Find it extremely unlikely that he pulled a 10 year disappearing act without a single real sighting with a family and many others dedicated to finding him. A train station, London and a rock concert seem like prime locations for bad stuff to happen to a 14 year old boy by himself.
a concert in November?? he went missing in September...
Since no footage of him exists outside of the King's Cross rail station, I think it's a 98% probability that he got into the abductor's vehicle right outside of the rail station shortly after this CCTV footage was taken (it even looks like he notices someone in the last frame): media.bizarrepedia.com/images/andrew-gosden-cctv-walking.gif
The pizza hut and park sightings are not substantiated. If he was meeting with someone, it makes a lot of sense that it would be just outside of the train station where cars can park. Even if he didn't plan to meet anyone, it would be a good place for predators too.
Personally I think he was chatting with someone in secret on his PSP and went to meet with them. But even if he did just leave on his own accord because he was fed up with school or something, it is very likely he was met with foul play/got into the abductor's vehicle just outside of King's Cross rail station.
Erica White interesting
At that age, my son talked to people from all over the world on his PlayStation at his dad's (horrified me when I found out!). So the idea of this kid being lured to meet up with a predator is very believable to me. While a lot of predators do kill these kids, there have been several accounts of predators keeping kids alive into adulthood. And, although they have been thoroughly brainwashed, they have eventually been rescued. So, no matter how unlikely, my hope is that this young man is alive and will find his way home to his long-suffering family.
This one has always struck me as odd and stuck with me for years. I hope one day his family will get some closure.
Would you consider doing a story of the Bricca family from Cincinnati? A husband, wife, and daughter were killed in 1966. It's still unsolved. One possible suspect was a man that the wife allegedly was having an affair with. This affair was never affirmed. This was a crime that was out of the realm back then. I was only 8 yrs old but it gained so much news coverage that I still remember it. Thanks in advance.
Soo happy you're covering Andrews case!It is pronounced 'york-sheer'.
Great video John. x
Abby W depends on where you are in the uk
Yorksheer Yorkshur just never York shiyer like fucking middle earth
I think Andrew was meeting someone from online and the person he met was not up to anything good. Very sad.
Kings cross is a rough area.i hope he is alive but I also fear that he was talking to someone online and that he was groomed and met foul play :( I do hope he is alive though.sad for the family
I've been homeless twice in London and there is lots of kids that are homeless and yeah some of them have runaway from home. I ran away from home once and I did the same I went to London. The homeless people help each other and there are places in London where you can hide. I wonder if he went to any off the places I went to but I not 100% sure I'm just saying and thinking.
There's been some news this week. 2 blokes arrested for kidnapping and people traffficking.
Have you heard of the case of Claudia Lawrence who also disappeared from Yorkshire? A disturbing brain scratcher.
Also forgot to mention, I've read somewhere that a few years after he disappeared, someone went to a police station saying he had important information about andrew, but the station was closed and the person was told to return the next day but the person never did, whether it was genuine or not I don't know but the police should have really looked into that
One way tickett means two things: one person will bring him back. Two he doesn't know when he will come back. It was on a friday...weekend.
I ran away from home twice to my fathers house and i see myself simillar to Andrew as i was his age too and had similar interests. I think Andrew might've had contact with other family members and wanted to live with them and was most likely promised a better life.
If you look up the case of Martin Allen, he was similar to Andrews age. Went missing after going to Kings cross station after school one day. He was in London everyday, familiar with the area. However, Kings cross is very dangerous for children on there own. Unfortunately I think Andrew faced the same fate. Peadophile rings are everywhere in kings cross. Maybe he was blackmailed or scammed or tricked into one of there plans to find vulnerable street kids.
Emily this is definitely a case pedophiles hurting children yet I can't understand why the kid bought a one-way ticket.
@@jabarithomas7290 he could of been lured or someone at his home station encouraged him to buy a one way ticket. However I'm not sure as he allegedly didn't have any access to the internet at home
I know I’m two years late, but I’d never heard of this case before! One thing that plays on my mind: his mum said he slept in the like the first time ever, and was hard to awaken. Could it possibly be that he took an overdose on sleeping meds the night before, but it didn’t work and only made him groggy?
It would play right into the suicide theory - along with the one way ticket.
Honestly not sure what to think, but my heart goes out to his family - especially his dad, who has seemingly put his entire like on pause trying to find the answers. Let’s hope he finds them someday, and sooner rather than later.
Great coverage John, thanks for covering another UK based case.
i live 30mins from Doncaster and you pronounced it right first time😀
Watching this video, a scenario immediately popped into my head. He's a bright boy. If he put his school clothes in the laundry, maybe he wanted his parents to think he went somewhere after school, this giving him an excuse for getting home late. A groomer online says he'll take the kid to a concert, but he'll drive the boy home because he'd never get there in time by train. If the clothes were a ruse to keep the parents from thinking he was missing for long, maybe Andrew meant to be back that evening or the next morning.
That poor Father...I hope he gets answers soon. Cant imagine the suffering. I agree that missing people should have dedicated, non police teams to manage their cases.
Whenever someone clears their bank account, doesn't bring extra clothes, doesn't have enough money to travel for long and buys a *one way* train ticket it makes me think they're going to commit suicide. Like they want to "live it up" their last couple days and splurge (hence the money they take) and then kill themselves. I guess he could've met someone online and been "groomed" by them, but why clear his bank account out just to go see a friend for a day? And why not bring a change of clothes if he was meeting a friend and planned to stay longer? No *way* was that kid living on the streets all that time, that life is too hard to live and he'd run back to his parents house after a week! And I doubt he's alive cuz he would've called his family after10 yrs. Feel so bad for that family, that dad sounds like he's soul-dead, just barely living and I feel for him.