I take issue with this argument because Olgierd wasn’t given the opportunity to grow jaded from his Immortality, his lack of care for anything was because of a monkey’s paw trick made by Gaunter to make Olgierd incapable of forming an attachment.
The vilification of immortality is one of my biggest pet peeves in fiction. It always came across as pretentious rather than wisdom to me. So when I saw the video title, I was hoping you were going to dismantle those tropes and logic failures. Alas, not so much. Maybe I will have to one day. I can see it being heavily dependent on personality - for me, all my family seem likely to die well before I do, so I'm already resigned to that. But I NEVER get bored, and the biggest drawback of my life is needing to spend so much time acquiring resources - which more time would solve via investing. So I'd happily welcome immortality. And I find it a bit sad when friends & family say they welcome natural death... it's as if they lack things to be curious or excited about.
I love that rant/ramble against the super rich you went on towards the end. And I agree. All they care about are their bank accounts, and forever growing them. Aka "Wachstum Über Alles" (Saltatio Mortis song, btw).
Great video :) Personally, I probably _would_ accept immortality, so long as it was the indestructible, forever young, "death is optional" variety. In my experience death is rarely the dignified, peaceful farewell most people seem to expect.
See also: SCP Foundation's "End of Death" canon; "Death is the promise that all of the hardships we face will, at some point, come to an end. But what if death did not keep its promise? If the hardships just kept coming? We would have no choice but to persevere through them. Forever."
the style you have been doing with the last few videos is actually really funny, I hope you cover other topics in this style. (pathologic might peek your interest)
I have to wonder what happens to memory in someone who is immortal. I seem to recall that the dragons in Final Fantasy XIV, due to their long lives, may often think back of moments that happened literally thousands of years ago as if they'd happened mere days prior. Their concept of time is... different. I have to wonder if it'd be the same with humans. Would you be able to just accrue experiences and add to your memories? Would some of these deteriorate and fade away with time?
I mean i dont think living a "normal" life could work as an immortal you know, falling in love, having a family, working, etc, experiencing loss could impact so much or being desentisized to seing all people you care aging/dying but maybe could be an opportunity to live a more "spiritual" life, doesnt need to be isolated but that could be the case for some people, mortality shapes a lot of our way of living like any other being, but without mortality a lot of things we know for granted could be different
The problem is dependant on what you define as immortality. In the most technical term being immortal means you cannot die, that means no matter what you WILL live, even if humanity dies out in a few million or billion years. This kind of immortality would be absolute horrible sooner or later. The thing is the human experience is tailored to the fact that it's finite. A big motivation for almost everything we do in life is that if we don't do it now we may never get to do it. That's why we try to succeed in life, it's why we strive to be the best we can and it's why love, family, friendship, etc. matters. Now, you're immortal, this means that you've all the time in the world to experience everything, you start small - you may do what normal people do and have a family, have friends, and you may take more risks because you wont really die. Now, 300 years might've passed, you've seen loads of loved ones die, you've seen their children, grandchildren and great grandchildren die. You've seen generations of your own offspring come and go, you're likely very much done with love because to you, they'll eventually just get old and die and you wont. You might've experienced almost everything you wanted to and now you start seeking more and more extreme stimuli because normal stuff no longer satisfy you or give you anything really. Now 200.000 years have passed, you've lost almost all motivation since you've done everything multiple times and nothing else is immortal so it is literally impossible for you to have anything that lasts. Your sense of time has probably also shifted, if it hadn't you'd have gone insane. This means that to you a few years is the equivalent of an hour or two for normal people. It's becoming very difficult to have a genuine connection with "little people" because they don't last long enough and they live in the moment while you probably don't. 1 billion years have passed, you're kind of done and have been done for a long time. Nothing matters, nothing lasts, you don't feel anything, you're tired of life - you can't die. 500 billion years pass, you might've had moments where you rediscovered something or had a good time, but in the scope of over 500 billion years that's just a tiny speck in the massive fucking torrent of meaningless, hopeless and depressing eternity. You really don't wanna live anymore but you've tried everything and you cannot die. Hell humanity is no more and you might've watched as evolution just went on and you might've watched the equivalent of cave men evolve into something comparable to humanity. You are in essence a lonely, immortal god and if you were blessed with unlimited memory (which a normal human would not have), you'd be a reliquary of knowledge and hopelessness. If you weren't blessed with that you'd not remember 99.99999999999999% of your life at this point. 700 billion years have passed, you wanted to see if you could die in the vacuum of space, bad idea, you just drifted aimlessly until you eventually crashed on a planet. If you can heal you'll be back to normal, if you can't you'll now spend the rest of eternity as a loose collection of sentient atoms - have fun! This is just a very mild example of how bad real immortality would be. The truth is it would likely be a lot worse. People are usually ready to die after 80-100 years, living for hundreds of years would be painful enough but an actual immortal would live forever, so that means we're talking about eternity. Not a few million or billion years, that's nothing for someone incapable of dying!
@@ButterBoyism which is the horrible conundrum of "quantum immortality". Funny enough, well tragic actually, a theorist writing about it died in this timeline before he could publish it
Why is the question of 'would you want to be immortal' always framed as an isolated thing? Would I want to never biologically age? Yes. Would I want to do that in a society of similar immortals? Yes! Would I want to do that in a society of 'mortals' where I have to watch everyone I care about wither away? NO. The answer to the question really depends on the framing of the question. However, whichever way you look at it, an immortal life even in a society of immortals would be radically different than a 'normal' life; and since we as humans evolved operating under a fleeting existence, with instincts and cognition to match, I'm not sure if just your average human could adapt.
Forget about humans. If you're immortal, even the tree you planted to celebrate the birth of your son would eventually wither and die. If you wait long enough, even the mountains the sight of which you used to enjoy will be ground down by weather or folded up by plate tectonics.
You know, Bird, you should really look into Isaac Arthur's videos on the subject of immortality, as well as AI and civilizations of the future. I think his insights might turn your views on the possibilities to a more optimistic disposition.
Easily one of the greatest videos you have ever made and one of the greatest I have ever watched. The idea of death and immortality is one of the most strange but interesting subjects that are bound to get you thinking.
Immortality sucks but something that in my opinion is immortality with a twist of where you can die and suffer but you are truly immortal and cannot stay dead and continue to come back to life forever
Fascinating video, exploring the depths of something many of us would jump at the chance to have without really stopping to think about it. There actually are downsides to human immortality, who knew? Obviously you did! ;) Frankly though, full immortality would be awesome for me, as long as you got it too. A Jinzee stream 4 days a week FOREVER? I could endure that! :D Thanks for another great video!
@Vaggod1 1. Take a chill pill and grow the f up. 2. Don't assume you know how immortality would be. 3. Don't try to present your assumptions about the supposed horrors of living forever as a universal fact that applies to everyone. 4. Some advice for you in two simple words: _Anger. Management._
Interesting thing is that Immortality was something even the Gods didn't really have per se. In both Greek and Norse Myth, the Gods had to have food in order to stay youthful. In Greek myth it was the drink called Ambrosia which kept the Gods young and powerful. Norse myth had the Apples of Idunn. There was even a story where Idunn was kidnapped and thus she couldn't give the Gods the apples so they slowly started getting older and weaker. So even the Gods weren't truly immortal. Also love those Zeus skits!
I would love to be immortal, I would have infinite time to try and get my life on track, no fear of death it could take years for me to get my dreams but if I was immortal so what? when you are Immortal time is nothing you could do anything
I don't think our fragile consciousness could take existence beyond a certain point. There is, in the universe and the three dimensions of it we are able to witness with our mere 5 senses, a finite amount of things to learn and know. At a certain point, there would be no more for us to learn, no more seeking of knowledge, no more new experiences, no more development. Our greatest purpose here is to live, experience, and then reflect on those experiences so that we may grow and learn anew. But when we can no longer learn anew, when we have seen and done all that is to be seen and done, there would be insurmountable boredom. Knowing also that there *are* greater mysteries out there, but also knowing that physiologically, our brains are still too small and undeveloped to comprehend them would surely lead to an absolute devastating sense of helplessness and lack of purpose once that point of total knowledge is reached. Living a healthy long life is one thing but the thought of living forever is something that only sends cold shivers down my spine.
Wolverine at the bottom of the ocean. That woman in The Old Guard in a coffin also at the bottom of the ocean. Claire from heroes suffocating in that container. not good
I had to think of the Nonmen from the R Scott Bakker series The Second Apocalypse. They don't get sick and are tremendously vital, but through the ages their memories get filled up and it takes greater and greater tragedy to remember something happening in the now as their memories get more and more demented... Read the books, they are amazing!
In addition to the joys of repeatedly watching all of your loved ones age and die there is another factor. Eventually there would be nothing new left to experience or explore and all of existence would become repetitive and boring. An eternity of "been there, done that"... And if there was no opt out of dying you would eventually have to wait for the sun to expand and consume the earth or even worse still sit through the heat death of the universe, when all the stars have died and there is nothing left of creation but a cold black void.
Sun Wukong became immortal 5 times by eating 3 food(peaches, wine and pills), crossing his name from the book of life and death and a taoist secret technique. He couldn't be killed by a ritual specifically designed to kill immortal beings.
Every character in the manga Blame! By Tsutomo Nihei can essentially live forever, eternal life, but still able to die, but in multiple cases unable to die even when reduced to a mummy as their cybernetic parts can keep their mind going for thousands of years if not damaged.
Another problem would be memory. The longer I live the fuzzier my long term memory becomes. My childhood is more memory of memory these days. Would I completely forget my past eventually?
I mean that likely depends on the type of immortality but probably, but also the Memory issue might actually be a benefit in the long term, I keep hearing “Oh no I’ll be bored with everything after a while.” or “Oh I’ll live with the pain of losing my spouse and children.” As an argument against immortality, but if the memory fades so too will the pain of the loss, and the boredom with activity, you might be a master violinist but after a hundred years of being away from a violin out of boredom you will likely come back to it with a new sense of wonder, I’ve gone back to old games I used to play after a while and relearning them can be fun.
I'm an immortal sack of protoplasm and it's actually pretty great. Everyone loves slimes these days! The missus wasn't supportive at first, but we found ways to make things work. Use your imagination. Go on. You're welcome for that mental image!
How about invulnerability but just you still age and die naturally at some point? I guess that's a self-contradiction but I'm just having a fantasy here. Like no injury or disease but eventually you die natural death at some point.
If I had three wishes ... 1: Be able to create anything i could think of... out of thin air. 2 : Rid the world of all mirrors. 3 : Rid the want from Humans for mirrors.
You know there's something wrong with immortality when Zeus tries THIS hard to gift it to you. Funny that he took those rejections so lightly, was waiting for his "revenge" or something in the end. :D Do I want to be immortal? No, not really. Being healthy and happy for the rest of our lives (also all of our family and friends) would be much more important. Speaking of interesting immortals. I was playing Batman Arkham City in the last few days, and there's an immortal too, Ra's al Ghul. He has to bathe in the Lazarus pits to reborn young and healthy again. But each time he does that, he gets more and more insane. After 600 years he just want to end his long life and gift his title and immortality to Batman. Spoiler (it's a game from 2011, but still): In the end he chooses to get impaled by his own sword just to end his suffering (at least in the game, don't know how it turns out in the comics).
The second type, not dying despite grievous injury, is the plot of the entire final season of 'Torchwood', and it is afflicted upon all of humanity. I know your "to watch" list is incredibly long, but I would suggest adding Torchwood to the list. Of course, you have to get through the first four (also great) seasons first... And the third type, again with the BBC there's a character in Doctor Who, a Viking girl named Yshilde (spelling?), who due to the Doctor's intervention, becomes immortal. She ends up living until the literal end of the universe, billions of years in the future, and is quite emotionally scarred by it all...played by the same actress who portrayed Arya in GoT.
11:55 It seems that this one and the previous one are the same. Both were able to die from mundane means but lead relatively normal lives so kept going for ages. The difference is the second guy was a douchbag. I think the length of time a person keeps going is really dependant on the person at that point.
In many ways our minds probably aren't suited for an eternity of existence. But I can't help but think how amazing it would be to hone a craft over millennia to near perfection, to share knowledge with new generations, and witness the great discoveries of the distant future. But perhaps that's all wishful thinking, and utter despair would be a black dog at the edge of your vision for the remainder of time.
You know what? I’m going to play Devil’s Advocate because frankly I’m sick to death of, “Oh Immortality would be terrible, I’d be so bored, all my friends died.” Arguments, they’re so annoying and repetitive. I won’t say Immortality is inherently good, but neither is it inherently bad, it just depends on the form it takes and who has it. I consider myself a Transhumanist and I fully support expanding the human lifespan indefinitely, but that’s based on the assumption that the entire Human Race has access to radical life extension to everyone who wants it. While yes being a single immortal amongst mortals with no way to convey your immortality to another person would likely be an absolute terrible state for someone who is an extrovert and is very fond of people, if you’re emotionally distant, introverted, and focused on personal goals then Immortality will likely not be that bad. I’m sure the “You’ll run out of things to do” argument will come up, but frankly that’s absolute bullshit, you have an entire universe of possibility, you can experience of human innovation, how is annihilation better result better than the chance to experience existence?
Agreed. Immortality wouldn't inherently rob all meaning from life. Though It would demand that one thouroghly restructure their life to suit the state of immortality. Which would be very very difficult for almost everyone, myself included. But in the end pretty cool imo. When you can pass on the knowledge of ages to new generations and still learn so much yourself.
Apologies if you always feel you're constantly getting dragged you back into the witcher universe. I couldn't help but think of this quote from Avallac'h in the middle of The Tower of Swallows. Avallac'h: "Do you know Witcher, what the greatest snag of longevity is?" Geralt: No
Only if I had something to keep myself occupied throughout the millennia. For example, if I was a warrior or raider, I’d make sure I was part of every major battle. If I was a shadowy manipulator, I’d work my way to the top every civilization that arose, one after another. Alongside its sibling isolation, boredom is often the bane of immortals.
10:16 This does seem like the best version of immortality, living as long as you want to. You see this in vampire stories sometimes, vampires get bored of life, or tired of the struggle and decide to bring their unlives to an end.
3:44 Same reason most dieties are worshipped, he's presented as an amoral omnipotent sociopath and people don't like taking chances. Also didn't Family guy rip off the plot of the first Twilight Zone episode?
Immortality is fine as long as 1) you can not experience it directly in its entirety (for which you need infinite memory anyway), or/ and as consisting of too much boredom or suffering. And of course, if you can end it (temporarily or not. I mean we could be immortal in the sense that we are reborn or even cyclically reformed with the universe, but if we do not remember previous lives things will still seem and be fresh so to speak). I might personally prefer being immortal in the sense that I and my loved ones are infinitely occurring islands between vast oceans of dreamless sleep than experiencing eternity with infinite memory.
I wouldn't mind the deadpool type of immortality. Though, I'd very much like to have teleport as well as some "way out", so I don't end up stuck down a cliff, at best health, unable to shit ever again for all eternity. Oh and also, the aquisition of immortality would preferably not require a sadistic psychopath experimenting on me.
Or you could view it as an opportunity to have endless new experiences. Humans tend to focus on the negative and ignore the good even if the good is literally next to them, we also tend to worry about what we can loose rather than what we can gain. It depends on how you view it. Tbh that mentality is a bit selfish imo Though it depends on they type of immortality.
I'd eat the fish 10 out of 10 times. Even in mortality sorrow is a part of life, and if I end up wrong I can peace out on my own volition. Sure it would mean having to see your loved ones like you would a dog who died after spending 18 years with you, but I think I would take it.
Honestly I would want to be immortal even with all its drawbacks. The ideal would be the eternal youth, invulnerable, go out on my own terms, and at least a few other people are immortal. But even if I was the only immortal I’d still take it. Even if I ended it after just a couple hundred years. It would be both wonderful and horrific to see how everything progressed, and everything you can do. But that has to be the clause, I can still die. I don’t want to be truly immortal and exist until the universe dies.
Being immortal with the ability to opt out of life when you choose would be perfect probably. Making that choice would probably only happen after centuries of suffering though. The biggest issue with immortality would have to be the fact that you’d just be floating through empty space millions of years from now
i second this despite its many flaws i know i still want immortality, besides i personally doubt we would truly get bored due to our need to explore new ideas and places to go in the universe
So, generally, if your immortality allows you to get hurt, you could get stabbed in the brain and be braindead, which is pretty much as good as dead anyway. Also, most of the time, if you can get hurt then it's really just that you don't die of old age and other things that would normally kill you, can still kill you.
Immortality seems like hell to me. mental conditions along with any you inherited are basically with you forever with no end so if you suffer from anxiety,depression etc. then that basically means endlessly managing it whilst your support network literally rots to pieces behind you. Times change meaning you'd have to adapt likely to such a point of not recognizing yourself, a tattoo you get in one century could be dangerous to have in another. Everyone you've ever known will die and whilst people might be able to get past this, that's going to leave you lonely which is already a problem for both young people and those with advanced age right now. Add three centuries onto that then you realize it'd be the worse possible isolation as norms change, names change even languages could change drastically. This is also assuming you don't have a physical deformity or disability that might leave you to be detested or vulnerable to society like i have autism, even now i receive abuse or hear people mock it so to do that for literal centuries never quite being understood because on top of my brain working differently, there'll be centuries of experience ontop of that making an already hard time, harder. There is room and chance for new experiences but for the more vulnerable in society? It just means they can suffer on for longer whether we're talking about a minority, a disabled person or a someone who is just different. Our heads can be just as dangerous to us as the rest of the world after all. Also, great video as always.
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What do you mean? Immortality is wonderful! Just look at Olgierd von Everic. He was having a grand old time while he was immortal. Yep.
He was laughing his head off the whole time! 😂
I take issue with this argument because Olgierd wasn’t given the opportunity to grow jaded from his Immortality, his lack of care for anything was because of a monkey’s paw trick made by Gaunter to make Olgierd incapable of forming an attachment.
@@InquisitorThomas I think that’s kinda the point though ain’t it?
@@ZenodudeMC don’t try to explain anything to this person, they just don’t understand
@@fury1617 Aw... what’s a matter Fury? Upset that spouting off cliches isn’t particularly convincing argumentation?
The vilification of immortality is one of my biggest pet peeves in fiction. It always came across as pretentious rather than wisdom to me. So when I saw the video title, I was hoping you were going to dismantle those tropes and logic failures. Alas, not so much. Maybe I will have to one day. I can see it being heavily dependent on personality - for me, all my family seem likely to die well before I do, so I'm already resigned to that. But I NEVER get bored, and the biggest drawback of my life is needing to spend so much time acquiring resources - which more time would solve via investing. So I'd happily welcome immortality. And I find it a bit sad when friends & family say they welcome natural death... it's as if they lack things to be curious or excited about.
I love that rant/ramble against the super rich you went on towards the end. And I agree. All they care about are their bank accounts, and forever growing them. Aka "Wachstum Über Alles" (Saltatio Mortis song, btw).
This video is great stuff
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Great video :) Personally, I probably _would_ accept immortality, so long as it was the indestructible, forever young, "death is optional" variety. In my experience death is rarely the dignified, peaceful farewell most people seem to expect.
See also: SCP Foundation's "End of Death" canon; "Death is the promise that all of the hardships we face will, at some point, come to an end. But what if death did not keep its promise? If the hardships just kept coming? We would have no choice but to persevere through them. Forever."
That one is awesome. SCPs on her storytelling skills would be something quite interesting.
but how do we know? We don't know what truly waits for us at death. And there is no way to find out not in a way that you might live.
the style you have been doing with the last few videos is actually really funny, I hope you cover other topics in this style. (pathologic might peek your interest)
I played some Pathologic before and will probably finish it one day. In the meantime I'll just rewatch RagnarRox's video on the matter. :p
@@ProperBird Honestly if you don't know him MandaloreGaming has a few videos if you want to check it out.
I have to wonder what happens to memory in someone who is immortal. I seem to recall that the dragons in Final Fantasy XIV, due to their long lives, may often think back of moments that happened literally thousands of years ago as if they'd happened mere days prior. Their concept of time is... different. I have to wonder if it'd be the same with humans. Would you be able to just accrue experiences and add to your memories? Would some of these deteriorate and fade away with time?
I mean i dont think living a "normal" life could work as an immortal you know, falling in love, having a family, working, etc, experiencing loss could impact so much or being desentisized to seing all people you care aging/dying but maybe could be an opportunity to live a more "spiritual" life, doesnt need to be isolated but that could be the case for some people, mortality shapes a lot of our way of living like any other being, but without mortality a lot of things we know for granted could be different
True, a strong purpose outside of human connection could help - but with a literal eternity to spend, would that be enough?
The problem is dependant on what you define as immortality. In the most technical term being immortal means you cannot die, that means no matter what you WILL live, even if humanity dies out in a few million or billion years. This kind of immortality would be absolute horrible sooner or later.
The thing is the human experience is tailored to the fact that it's finite. A big motivation for almost everything we do in life is that if we don't do it now we may never get to do it. That's why we try to succeed in life, it's why we strive to be the best we can and it's why love, family, friendship, etc. matters. Now, you're immortal, this means that you've all the time in the world to experience everything, you start small - you may do what normal people do and have a family, have friends, and you may take more risks because you wont really die. Now, 300 years might've passed, you've seen loads of loved ones die, you've seen their children, grandchildren and great grandchildren die. You've seen generations of your own offspring come and go, you're likely very much done with love because to you, they'll eventually just get old and die and you wont. You might've experienced almost everything you wanted to and now you start seeking more and more extreme stimuli because normal stuff no longer satisfy you or give you anything really. Now 200.000 years have passed, you've lost almost all motivation since you've done everything multiple times and nothing else is immortal so it is literally impossible for you to have anything that lasts. Your sense of time has probably also shifted, if it hadn't you'd have gone insane. This means that to you a few years is the equivalent of an hour or two for normal people. It's becoming very difficult to have a genuine connection with "little people" because they don't last long enough and they live in the moment while you probably don't. 1 billion years have passed, you're kind of done and have been done for a long time. Nothing matters, nothing lasts, you don't feel anything, you're tired of life - you can't die. 500 billion years pass, you might've had moments where you rediscovered something or had a good time, but in the scope of over 500 billion years that's just a tiny speck in the massive fucking torrent of meaningless, hopeless and depressing eternity. You really don't wanna live anymore but you've tried everything and you cannot die. Hell humanity is no more and you might've watched as evolution just went on and you might've watched the equivalent of cave men evolve into something comparable to humanity. You are in essence a lonely, immortal god and if you were blessed with unlimited memory (which a normal human would not have), you'd be a reliquary of knowledge and hopelessness. If you weren't blessed with that you'd not remember 99.99999999999999% of your life at this point.
700 billion years have passed, you wanted to see if you could die in the vacuum of space, bad idea, you just drifted aimlessly until you eventually crashed on a planet. If you can heal you'll be back to normal, if you can't you'll now spend the rest of eternity as a loose collection of sentient atoms - have fun!
This is just a very mild example of how bad real immortality would be. The truth is it would likely be a lot worse. People are usually ready to die after 80-100 years, living for hundreds of years would be painful enough but an actual immortal would live forever, so that means we're talking about eternity. Not a few million or billion years, that's nothing for someone incapable of dying!
@@ButterBoyism which is the horrible conundrum of "quantum immortality". Funny enough, well tragic actually, a theorist writing about it died in this timeline before he could publish it
Why is the question of 'would you want to be immortal' always framed as an isolated thing? Would I want to never biologically age? Yes. Would I want to do that in a society of similar immortals? Yes! Would I want to do that in a society of 'mortals' where I have to watch everyone I care about wither away? NO. The answer to the question really depends on the framing of the question. However, whichever way you look at it, an immortal life even in a society of immortals would be radically different than a 'normal' life; and since we as humans evolved operating under a fleeting existence, with instincts and cognition to match, I'm not sure if just your average human could adapt.
Forget about humans. If you're immortal, even the tree you planted to celebrate the birth of your son would eventually wither and die. If you wait long enough, even the mountains the sight of which you used to enjoy will be ground down by weather or folded up by plate tectonics.
Being around to see all of the art and inventions that happen throughout the ages would be pretty cool
You know, Bird, you should really look into Isaac Arthur's videos on the subject of immortality, as well as AI and civilizations of the future.
I think his insights might turn your views on the possibilities to a more optimistic disposition.
The Blue Fields on the background along with an awesome video made my day very, very, very happy. How can I thank you enough for your content?
Glad I could help!
High Longevity and youthfulness yes, immortality no.
agreed
Easily one of the greatest videos you have ever made and one of the greatest I have ever watched. The idea of death and immortality is one of the most strange but interesting subjects that are bound to get you thinking.
Parachute here while replaying the "Legacy o Kain" series. Nice video of a very compelling theme, that Amy Hennig turn into a awesome game story.
Another great video Jinzee! Thank you!
Another awesome video Proper Bird! Keep it up!
Immortality sucks but something that in my opinion is immortality with a twist of where you can die and suffer but you are truly immortal and cannot stay dead and continue to come back to life forever
I misread the title as immorality...kinda want that video too now lol. Great work as always.
Awesome video, thanks for making this! 🙆♀️
Fascinating video, exploring the depths of something many of us would jump at the chance to have without really stopping to think about it. There actually are downsides to human immortality, who knew? Obviously you did! ;) Frankly though, full immortality would be awesome for me, as long as you got it too. A Jinzee stream 4 days a week FOREVER? I could endure that! :D Thanks for another great video!
Would I want to be immortal?
Yes, but _only_ if said immortality was of the Lichdom variety and included the powers commonly associated with it.
Time to practice some necromancy on yourself. :p
I also would love to be immortal.
@Vaggod1
1. Take a chill pill and grow the f up.
2. Don't assume you know how immortality would be.
3. Don't try to present your assumptions about the supposed horrors of living forever as a universal fact that applies to everyone.
4. Some advice for you in two simple words: _Anger. Management._
@Vaggod1
Re-read parts 2 & 3.
Try to internalize them this time ffs...
Interesting thing is that Immortality was something even the Gods didn't really have per se. In both Greek and Norse Myth, the Gods had to have food in order to stay youthful. In Greek myth it was the drink called Ambrosia which kept the Gods young and powerful. Norse myth had the Apples of Idunn. There was even a story where Idunn was kidnapped and thus she couldn't give the Gods the apples so they slowly started getting older and weaker. So even the Gods weren't truly immortal.
Also love those Zeus skits!
Im... immortality!? N.. n...no! Never! What makes you think that? *awkwardly hides ceremonial candles and Lichdom for Dummies book*
Give. Me. That. Book. Now.
_There can only be one._
Only way I can see immortality working is if you were a giant spaceship, travelling trough the cosmos.
You're blessing us with videos Jinze !! 💕
Such an original subject, I loved it !
I really like these videos thank you for making them.
Gotta love this woman's storytelling. Put her on sometimes before sleeping
I would love to be immortal, I would have infinite time to try and get my life on track, no fear of death it could take years for me to get my dreams but if I was immortal so what? when you are Immortal time is nothing you could do anything
Not gonna lie Jinzee, you really rock that Zeus beard.
I figured I'd put in my bid for Movember and go all the way.
You know that vine where the dude is like: "CUZ I'M ALL F×CKEN ALONE!"? Yeah, that's immortality in a nutshell-
In defense of zeus, hera is his sister, and most of there children either came out deformed like hephastus or a psycho killer, like ares
Looking at Zeus, geesh, I _reeally_ wonder where the murder psychopath might _possibly_ have come from...
Talking bad about ares now better hold your tongue.
3:15 Why am I getting intimidated by your body language, like you're telling ME off?? 😂
I mean, are you Zeus perchance?
One of the best explorations of immortality was definitely in Torchwood: Miracle Day!
I don't think our fragile consciousness could take existence beyond a certain point. There is, in the universe and the three dimensions of it we are able to witness with our mere 5 senses, a finite amount of things to learn and know. At a certain point, there would be no more for us to learn, no more seeking of knowledge, no more new experiences, no more development. Our greatest purpose here is to live, experience, and then reflect on those experiences so that we may grow and learn anew. But when we can no longer learn anew, when we have seen and done all that is to be seen and done, there would be insurmountable boredom. Knowing also that there *are* greater mysteries out there, but also knowing that physiologically, our brains are still too small and undeveloped to comprehend them would surely lead to an absolute devastating sense of helplessness and lack of purpose once that point of total knowledge is reached. Living a healthy long life is one thing but the thought of living forever is something that only sends cold shivers down my spine.
Just gotta say.. this channel is poggin.
I'd give you a poggers but RUclips doesn't let me. 😅
Yes, with an optional self-destruct button when I've finally had enough of the world's BS. I wouldn't want to end up like Xenon the Antiquarian.
“Highlander” - immortal until someone cuts off your head. Freddy Mercury “Who wants to live forever?”
Lovin the wardrobe. "Proper" Bird indeed 🦢
Reference The Originals - It would be tough I’d probably lose myself multiple times over but I think I’d like the idea.
I wasn't expecting this quality. When youtube recommends good shit
Wolverine at the bottom of the ocean. That woman in The Old Guard in a coffin also at the bottom of the ocean. Claire from heroes suffocating in that container. not good
ive always loved that sick looking tattoo youre sporting there Birdo. 3:41
Thanks!
I had to think of the Nonmen from the R Scott Bakker series The Second Apocalypse. They don't get sick and are tremendously vital, but through the ages their memories get filled up and it takes greater and greater tragedy to remember something happening in the now as their memories get more and more demented... Read the books, they are amazing!
So is this the case with Queen Elizabeth?
If the method was the same as Valkorion's I would say yes, I get to body hop and consume planets. Seems like a fair deal to me.
The mermaid flesh version of immortality is the premise of Rumiko Takahashi's "mermaid forest" series of OVAs.
In addition to the joys of repeatedly watching all of your loved ones age and die there is another factor. Eventually there would be nothing new left to experience or explore and all of existence would become repetitive and boring. An eternity of "been there, done that"...
And if there was no opt out of dying you would eventually have to wait for the sun to expand and consume the earth or even worse still sit through the heat death of the universe, when all the stars have died and there is nothing left of creation but a cold black void.
"Are we the Zergs?"
I'd say more like space orcs but I could be wrong
Zerg are better ;)
Sun Wukong became immortal 5 times by eating 3 food(peaches, wine and pills), crossing his name from the book of life and death and a taoist secret technique. He couldn't be killed by a ritual specifically designed to kill immortal beings.
And so Buddha dropped an entire mountain on his head! Honestly I love this story still. ❤️
@@ProperBird that's what he deserved after literally pissing of buddha ;)
Still would love to see what it looks like when the sun explodes. Also check out Netflix's Blood of Zeus for a more likeable version of Zeus 😁.
It's on my to watch list!
Amazing video! Ten out of ten!
Time, change people in a short period. Eventually, the time will come when they'll say "No", and "I had enough".
"Who the hell trusted you with science? Elon Musk". Now i need to wipe my screen :))))
IT IS A GOOD MEME!
Every character in the manga Blame! By Tsutomo Nihei can essentially live forever, eternal life, but still able to die, but in multiple cases unable to die even when reduced to a mummy as their cybernetic parts can keep their mind going for thousands of years if not damaged.
Zeus is trying his best, ok?
Lol great video
Another problem would be memory. The longer I live the fuzzier my long term memory becomes. My childhood is more memory of memory these days. Would I completely forget my past eventually?
I mean that likely depends on the type of immortality but probably, but also the Memory issue might actually be a benefit in the long term, I keep hearing “Oh no I’ll be bored with everything after a while.” or “Oh I’ll live with the pain of losing my spouse and children.” As an argument against immortality, but if the memory fades so too will the pain of the loss, and the boredom with activity, you might be a master violinist but after a hundred years of being away from a violin out of boredom you will likely come back to it with a new sense of wonder, I’ve gone back to old games I used to play after a while and relearning them can be fun.
I'm an immortal sack of protoplasm and it's actually pretty great. Everyone loves slimes these days! The missus wasn't supportive at first, but we found ways to make things work. Use your imagination. Go on. You're welcome for that mental image!
Ahhhh the ff8 music is given me flash backs , love the video 😁
I finally figured out that Square is pretty ok with people using their music. ❤️
How about invulnerability but just you still age and die naturally at some point? I guess that's a self-contradiction but I'm just having a fantasy here. Like no injury or disease but eventually you die natural death at some point.
Imagine a world without death.
Imagine a world without me
any one else watched the immortally anime Baccano ?
If I had three wishes ...
1: Be able to create anything i could think of... out of thin air.
2 : Rid the world of all mirrors.
3 : Rid the want from Humans for mirrors.
It wold be cool & not so cool but i think if i was given the opportunity i whold take it
You know there's something wrong with immortality when Zeus tries THIS hard to gift it to you. Funny that he took those rejections so lightly, was waiting for his "revenge" or something in the end. :D
Do I want to be immortal? No, not really. Being healthy and happy for the rest of our lives (also all of our family and friends) would be much more important.
Speaking of interesting immortals. I was playing Batman Arkham City in the last few days, and there's an immortal too, Ra's al Ghul. He has to bathe in the Lazarus pits to reborn young and healthy again. But each time he does that, he gets more and more insane. After 600 years he just want to end his long life and gift his title and immortality to Batman.
Spoiler (it's a game from 2011, but still):
In the end he chooses to get impaled by his own sword just to end his suffering (at least in the game, don't know how it turns out in the comics).
The second type, not dying despite grievous injury, is the plot of the entire final season of 'Torchwood', and it is afflicted upon all of humanity. I know your "to watch" list is incredibly long, but I would suggest adding Torchwood to the list. Of course, you have to get through the first four (also great) seasons first...
And the third type, again with the BBC there's a character in Doctor Who, a Viking girl named Yshilde (spelling?), who due to the Doctor's intervention, becomes immortal. She ends up living until the literal end of the universe, billions of years in the future, and is quite emotionally scarred by it all...played by the same actress who portrayed Arya in GoT.
I want to be immortal like robocop. The old one, including the cool robocop theme song
11:55 It seems that this one and the previous one are the same. Both were able to die from mundane means but lead relatively normal lives so kept going for ages. The difference is the second guy was a douchbag. I think the length of time a person keeps going is really dependant on the person at that point.
In many ways our minds probably aren't suited for an eternity of existence.
But I can't help but think how amazing it would be to hone a craft over millennia to near perfection, to share knowledge with new generations, and witness the great discoveries of the distant future.
But perhaps that's all wishful thinking, and utter despair would be a black dog at the edge of your vision for the remainder of time.
The perfection of an elven smith. 😊
If you want to get a good look on immortality, i suggest the doc Highlander 2. Not the first one, please. 😎
You know what? I’m going to play Devil’s Advocate because frankly I’m sick to death of,
“Oh Immortality would be terrible, I’d be so bored, all my friends died.” Arguments, they’re so annoying and repetitive.
I won’t say Immortality is inherently good, but neither is it inherently bad, it just depends on the form it takes and who has it. I consider myself a Transhumanist and I fully support expanding the human lifespan indefinitely, but that’s based on the assumption that the entire Human Race has access to radical life extension to everyone who wants it.
While yes being a single immortal amongst mortals with no way to convey your immortality to another person would likely be an absolute terrible state for someone who is an extrovert and is very fond of people, if you’re emotionally distant, introverted, and focused on personal goals then Immortality will likely not be that bad.
I’m sure the “You’ll run out of things to do” argument will come up, but frankly that’s absolute bullshit, you have an entire universe of possibility, you can experience of human innovation, how is annihilation better result better than the chance to experience existence?
Agreed. Immortality wouldn't inherently rob all meaning from life. Though It would demand that one thouroghly restructure their life to suit the state of immortality. Which would be very very difficult for almost everyone, myself included. But in the end pretty cool imo. When you can pass on the knowledge of ages to new generations and still learn so much yourself.
Apologies if you always feel you're constantly getting dragged you back into the witcher universe. I couldn't help but think of this quote from Avallac'h in the middle of The Tower of Swallows.
Avallac'h: "Do you know Witcher, what the greatest snag of longevity is?"
Geralt: No
Mortality is one of the best things in life. Without that, we could not appreciate time.
Only if I had something to keep myself occupied throughout the millennia.
For example, if I was a warrior or raider, I’d make sure I was part of every major battle.
If I was a shadowy manipulator, I’d work my way to the top every civilization that arose, one after another.
Alongside its sibling isolation, boredom is often the bane of immortals.
You have an entire universe and all of history, I fail to see the Boredom angle, the world just a few centuries ago is radically different.
10:16 This does seem like the best version of immortality, living as long as you want to. You see this in vampire stories sometimes, vampires get bored of life, or tired of the struggle and decide to bring their unlives to an end.
3:44 Same reason most dieties are worshipped, he's presented as an amoral omnipotent sociopath and people don't like taking chances. Also didn't Family guy rip off the plot of the first Twilight Zone episode?
Tbh im a big inmortality guy, like as long as im not dead and im sentient im happy
Immortality is fine as long as 1) you can not experience it directly in its entirety (for which you need infinite memory anyway), or/ and as consisting of too much boredom or suffering. And of course, if you can end it (temporarily or not. I mean we could be immortal in the sense that we are reborn or even cyclically reformed with the universe, but if we do not remember previous lives things will still seem and be fresh so to speak). I might personally prefer being immortal in the sense that I and my loved ones are infinitely occurring islands between vast oceans of dreamless sleep than experiencing eternity with infinite memory.
Moral of the story, Contract Review is VERY important.
In ALL cases! 😂
I wouldn't mind the deadpool type of immortality. Though, I'd very much like to have teleport as well as some "way out", so I don't end up stuck down a cliff, at best health, unable to shit ever again for all eternity.
Oh and also, the aquisition of immortality would preferably not require a sadistic psychopath experimenting on me.
Honestly, the idea of living forever is depressing. You would experience so much loss, and that would be unbearable.
Or you could view it as an opportunity to have endless new experiences.
Humans tend to focus on the negative and ignore the good even if the good is literally next to them, we also tend to worry about what we can loose rather than what we can gain. It depends on how you view it.
Tbh that mentality is a bit selfish imo
Though it depends on they type of immortality.
@@xMckingwill yes I agree.
Everyone else: Ages
Jellyfish: "No."
so what you're saying is with immortality the chances of you getting to place or situation you dont want to be in reaches 100%
I am Connor Macloud of the clan Macloud.....born in 1518 in the Highlands of Scotland i have wondered the earth ever since.....and i am immortal
Damn the Zeus burn was soooo gooood! 🤣🤣🤣❤️
The guy gets away with too much, I'm just saying.
idk if you'll see this, but the last few videos have been quality 🙌🏼🙌🏼
Thank you! ❤️
I'd eat the fish 10 out of 10 times.
Even in mortality sorrow is a part of life, and if I end up wrong I can peace out on my own volition.
Sure it would mean having to see your loved ones like you would a dog who died after spending 18 years with you, but I think I would take it.
I don't think I'd put a dog on the same level as a parent or child to be fair. :p
@@ProperBird Well once you reach the age of 700, who knows?
Your experience is no longer the 'human experience', you are something else.
Working on something related to this subject...watch this space :)
Honestly I would want to be immortal even with all its drawbacks. The ideal would be the eternal youth, invulnerable, go out on my own terms, and at least a few other people are immortal. But even if I was the only immortal I’d still take it. Even if I ended it after just a couple hundred years. It would be both wonderful and horrific to see how everything progressed, and everything you can do. But that has to be the clause, I can still die. I don’t want to be truly immortal and exist until the universe dies.
I kind of want to see the end the world before i die......
Honestly, i really wouldnt want to be immortal, even before watching this video, although i would like my body to stop aging until i die
Being immortal with the ability to opt out of life when you choose would be perfect probably. Making that choice would probably only happen after centuries of suffering though. The biggest issue with immortality would have to be the fact that you’d just be floating through empty space millions of years from now
Hob Gadling from Sandman
Yes
Yes if my immortality = maintaining my prime body and invulnerability to sickness
If it comes with the caveat that I can end my own life, I'd do that
i second this despite its many flaws i know i still want immortality, besides i personally doubt we would truly get bored due to our need to explore new ideas and places to go in the universe
@@bigblockman11 agreed
Wouldn't mind being immortal as a vampire! Would be fangtastic!
How dare you, that's an excellent pun. 😂
So, generally, if your immortality allows you to get hurt, you could get stabbed in the brain and be braindead, which is pretty much as good as dead anyway. Also, most of the time, if you can get hurt then it's really just that you don't die of old age and other things that would normally kill you, can still kill you.
Eventually you'll either go crazy or lose your will to live.
Immortality seems like hell to me. mental conditions along with any you inherited are basically with you forever with no end so if you suffer from anxiety,depression etc. then that basically means endlessly managing it whilst your support network literally rots to pieces behind you. Times change meaning you'd have to adapt likely to such a point of not recognizing yourself, a tattoo you get in one century could be dangerous to have in another.
Everyone you've ever known will die and whilst people might be able to get past this, that's going to leave you lonely which is already a problem for both young people and those with advanced age right now. Add three centuries onto that then you realize it'd be the worse possible isolation as norms change, names change even languages could change drastically.
This is also assuming you don't have a physical deformity or disability that might leave you to be detested or vulnerable to society like i have autism, even now i receive abuse or hear people mock it so to do that for literal centuries never quite being understood because on top of my brain working differently, there'll be centuries of experience ontop of that making an already hard time, harder.
There is room and chance for new experiences but for the more vulnerable in society? It just means they can suffer on for longer whether we're talking about a minority, a disabled person or a someone who is just different. Our heads can be just as dangerous to us as the rest of the world after all.
Also, great video as always.
If being immortal means being youthful, then yes I want it. I don't wanna just be stuck in a 100 grandpa body.