First time I've seen Michael Jordan " his heirness text Chicago to their first of the 2 three-peats I knew I was watching something that no wanted ever seen before.
@@cycleoflife565 curry fan forgetting that those fouls were being called and everyone in the 80s and 90s played 'dirty'.. Nobody will let you score easily back then, but nowadays, well
Rodman hit John in the face with his forearm. Stockton did what he did well play hard and for the most part didn't say anything to the players he defended. Stockton was a artful player and he did do some dirtying stuff but all of them did back then. Rodman was no angel.
One of the weird things about the NBA back then is how many arenas where if someone got ejected he would have to exit by walking right by the other team's bench. I mean what could go wrong?
I haven’t watched basketball in years got this reason. I am much more a hockey fan and stuck with hockey. Even hockey just isn’t the same. Higher skill, much more boring and uninteresting give most part.
@@johnathanwalker8395 So did I, Rodman started throwing cheap shots and trash talking almost the moment he set foot on the court. Stockton is definitely not blameless, but to state that Rodman didn't start anything is disingenuous/willfully ignorant.
I used to follow the game in those days. I was kid and was full of admiration for these players. They would give everything they had, they would fight for the win. But the respect and admiration they had for their fellow players was never in doubt
I love these old clips with the legends. Big shout-out to Jerry Sloan who has one of the best coaching quotes of all time: "We're not playing well. We're just winning games because of Karl Malone."
I personally think 2000's were just as good as the 90's, after Kobe won his last chip the NBA started the trend of being a 3 point shoot out with constant flopping and just gets worse each year.
@Jay Yoyo I do know one thing with my limited basketball knowledge and that is the Mailman and your GGGoat Stckton won ZERO championships with all their talent while Kobe won FIVE.
This is when sports were GREAT. Guys giving it their all. Not switching teams every year. Loyalty. Bitter rivalries. Rodman vs Stockton WWE style. Coaches getting into it. Legit drama. Such a good video clip that captures the emotions of the era. Thanks for sharing!
You never watched basketball seriously. This version of the NBA is slow and dramatic for novelty. We are in the best era of basketball. Some of these players wouldn't start a game in the current league.
Chuck Daly lookin’ sharp, as always. Jerry Sloan, lookin’ like he just stepped out of the Glengarry Glen Ross boiler room. Man, I really miss those days. Come back, 1990s. All is forgiven.
Yeah I don't think fast pace is necessarily more entertaining. They just foul to stop the fast break anyways and we've seen those types of dunks that they do on fast breaks anyways Personally, much rather watch a set defense and offense
For those wondering why John Stockton shot three free throws, two were for the two technicals on the assistant coach and one was for Dennis Rodman's second technical. His first was offset by Stockton's so there was no free throw.
@@th7079Yup, and I’ll state the rule below, but it still doesn’t explain why laimbeer was chosen. In 1991 when a player can’t shoot free throws because of ejection or injury, the opposing teams coach gets to choose a replacement shooter from anyone on the team (floor or bench). Later in 97, they updated this slightly along with the other massive rule changes that year. Again, It doesn’t make sense why laimbeer was chosen though, he was the 4th best. It’s kind of funny either way, because in this case, Rodman was the second worst free-throw shooter on the team. So anyone would have been an upgrade.
@@skforty Excellent question. I went to watch the video again. It says at the end that Laimbeer shot a technical. And there was no one lined up at the FT line. So, he didn't shoot for Rodman. There's something missing in that video. Maybe the Rodman FT happens after the Laimbeer FT which was cut out of the video. But at the end, it does say Laimbeer shoots a technical. I don't know a technical on who. maybe on Sloan and the announcers didn't catch it? Who knows. Great question.
They're being payed, to stay invested in the team. Don't get so sentimental. It's called PROFESSIONAL sports for a reason. They're pros and it's just a job
Stockton was so good at being a dirty player. He was just subtle enough to rarely get called for a technical, and looked like a boy scout which could only help.
@@sh0cktim3 I watched the games you do not have to tell me.Basketball was played then now garbage just like auto racing 60;s and 70;s last good decade of racing now garbage.
A lot of people think Laimbeer was nothing but a cheap shot artist, but he actually put up some stats! From Wikipedia: "Laimbeer was most effective off the defensive glass - from 1982 to 1990 no player in the league totaled more defensive rebounds."
6 foot 1 , 180 pounds in a game of giants, to last 20 years, you do what you need to do, he wasn't dirty as a "career ender or put you out with injuries" but he let you know he was there every night, wasn't going to be intimidated or pushed around, and lived in heads of opponents and competed every night so hard. Miss him so much.
BOTH of these guys are total badasses. They're both beasts. Two of the greatest competitors of all time. Both went to the Finals multiple times. This was the NBA. Race, size, irrelevant. The will to win was all that mattered.
Which is the case now…? People’s fantasies about the 90s are absurd. There was illegal defense and hand checking. People couldn’t shoot the three (or just didn’t realize it’s efficiency, I.e Stockton). Stop with the weird fetishization.
Stockton with a blatantly dirty play that could easily injure someone and the announcers trying to blame Detroit for dirty play sums up the Bad Boys era perfectly.
All I can think of is the Celtics broadcast dude. "The way they do things here" or when everyone said Detroit walked off on the bulls acting like the pistons were the first to do that. But the Celtics did it to us
@@Erlanders, very little in his Pistons days. He went off the rails after he left the Motor City. The Pistons were rough and physical for sure, but rarely dirty. You won't find more than 4-5 examples of actual dirty plays and they will almost all be Laimbeer related.
@@JoeKnows44 I'll give you that. Rodman was very humble when he was in the Pistons. He was physical and aggressive and earned every rebound he got. But it didn't change the fact that he became a dirty player once he moved on to the sours and bulls. Far dirtier than Stockton imo. The only thing I didn't like about Stockton was his flopping, but I don't believe he was ever out to deliberately cause conflict the way Rodman did. But you're right, this one was on Stockton.
I feel these two teams could have been great rivals if they played in the same conference. This Jazz team probably would have fought fire with fire against the bad boy Pistons
It's an illegal screen. Rodman's not only moving through Stockton (which is why Stockton's leg is in between Rodman's), but Rodman "sets" his feet (technically, not actually set, but we'll call it set) *inside* Stockton's space of a legal guarding position, with Rodman's feet clearly on Stockton's body's side of Stockton's feet when contact occurs (with Rodman still moving forward, towards the sideline), and most importantly, Stockton doesn't even *see* Rodman until that contact occurs. Isiah (sic) Thomas leads Stockton towards the sideline, allowing Rodman to set the screen, which ends up being a "blind back-screen" since Isiah pulls Stockton so far towards the sideline that Stockton turns his back towards the eventual screener (Rodman). As a blind back-screen where Rodman is outside of Stockton's field of vision, the screener (Rodman) is required to have his feet planted at least (and there's judgement on the official's part here) one to two steps away from the defender (Stockton). Rodman doesn't actually have his feet planted (which I would forgive as an official, since he's setting up to slip the screen for Isiah's rather nice pass, by the way), but since he sets up, not one to two steps away, but actually inside Stockton's space, straddling Stockton's legs, and then uses his momentum to continue "through" Stockton as contact occurs, not only initiating that contact (illegal contact in and of itself) with a screen that the defender can't see (illegal back-screen set waaaay too close, actually inside the defender's legally established space), but then using that contact to create additional space (that he uses to try to slip underneath Benoit as the switch defender) by actually pushing Stockton towards the sideline, it's blatantly an illegal screen. Stockton then uses some acting skills to not-too-convincingly cover up his illegal interference with Rodman's attempted slip to the basket, so I would say offensive foul on Rodman (illegal back screen), which stops the play, and technical foul on Stockton for his illegal "interference" with Rodman's slip to the basket during the consequent dead ball. No technical foul on Rodman, during the play at least. Side-Note Commentary: I grew up watching both Stockton and Rodman develop in the pre-Jordan era, and they're two of my favorite players. Yes, both were arguably dirty, they were definitely scrappy, and they didn't back down from anyone. I think that Stockton was much more subtle, but they were cut from the same basic cloth of physicality. I think that if Rodman had played for the Sloan instead of Daly, he would have developed more subtlety, but Daly, Isiah, and Laimbeer all encouraged a much less subtle, and often literal brutality. Dumars didn't, of all irony, even though he's often credited by Isiah and Laimbeer for ringleading the Bad-Boy Pistons brutality. Dumars was more in line with Stockton in that regard, in my opinion. Hard-hitter. Don't mess with him. But if you just played him straight up, he played you straight up as well. If you played ... less-then-straight-up, shall we say, both Stockton and Dumars would intentionally work to make you pay in perhaps less-than-straight-up ways in return. To understand what I mean, listen to the way Jordan talks about the 88-92 Pistons. He talks one way about Isiah and Laimbeer, pretty much doesn't talk about Daly at all (Dream Team Coach), and a completely different way about Dumars. Jordan respected Dumars. He despised Isiah and Laimbeer. I couldn't even tell you Jordan's opinion on Daly, and that seems kind of ... intriguing to me.
Oh yeah, Stockton had two things Rodman never did. 1, he looks unassuming and 2, he doesn't ever get upset. They're both physical and dirty players. Stockton just had the edge
Stockton definitely initiated the trip after Rodman set the pick. I'm guessing Dennis also embellished a bit to make sure the refs knew it wasn't his fault!
Stockton pound for pound one toughest players in any sport ever. Set hard as hell picks, got hammered on hard as hell picks, night after night, missed a handful of games in 20 years. Durable as any athlete ever. Top 1% in that regard. Killer stats, play-offs every year, just was so awesome to watch him. Gosh I wish he got one ring. Really thought that 98 team had it vs Bulls in round 2 of the Finals. Thought they would have had the fire and mental fortitude to beat the GOAT that year. Just can't beat Mike in the 90s come championship time.
@@jayb1303 since you say so... ...so when one says "the era of fullbacks is over".... it means fullbacks where utilized frequently for only a ten year period according to you... not possible one would be refering to the 60s, 70s and 80s.... thanks for the lesson..
Every generation says that about the younger generation not only in sports but in all aspects in life. My dad was tough on me but not as tough as his dad on him, etc.....
Bigger faster stronger players. If the play style and rules were the same you can't possibly believe today's players wouldn't adapt to the old rules. They would adjust accordingly and thrive and it would look exactly the same. Guys like draymond, joker, embiid, Jimmy butler, lebron, Westbrook would use their physicality and toughness in ways they wouldn't be able to in today's nba.
@@JimDee885 that's true. But the spirit of toughness is not there anymore. We are too comfortable nowadays,it's too easy now in everything. Boys don't grow into men anymore.
Not sure what Rodman did that was so terrible. A few in the comments say he threw a forearm to Stockton's face but I don't see anything close to that. No doubt he initiated contact but that type of aggression was hardly ever called in the 90's. Calling the technical for pointing at Sloan after making the free throw seemed extreme to me. I thought players did stuff like that all the time.
Rodman set a legal pick then tried to roll to the basket. Stock tripped him and tackled him all in one swoop. Bullshit. Stock and Sloan should’ve been ejected
What the f*ck was enjoyable about that? It was a freaking circus show. I cannot see why I should get excited about a player tripping up his opponent. Or the shenanigans that followed. Having said that, Isiah's ball handling is just marvellous to watch.
@@omnivorous65 It was a time where the ball movement and play was much better than today. And yes, men were men. If someone cheap shotted you, you gave as you got as opposed to laying on the floor like you are dead today after someone brushes against you, LOL.
@@frederickfrost6561 Did you see the GSW in the finals? They had superb player and ball movement. Absolutely gorgeous to watch. I have seen the basketball in the 80s and 90s and it had a lot of Iso-ball and players going one on one. Defense collapsing into the paint and once the ball hit a post player (McHale, Jabbar, Ewing, Olajuwon, etc.) it hardly ever was passed again. I do remember the finals Houston vs Knicks and the thug-ball line ups where brutality and viciousness stood in for talent.
@@omnivorous65 save your breath (fingers?), these old guys don't miss how things were when they were young, they miss being young. No amount of evidence or reason will convince them that the world isn't ending.
@@Ethan-tn4jc Good point. Actually, you hit the nail right on the head. And I can see the evidence in myself. I followed basketball back then with far more enthusiasm than I do today. The experience was so much more vivid. But that was me and my youthful perception and passion. But still, you can apply some objectivity at any age. On the other hand, it is a well-known quirk of human psychology that we believe - against all evidence - that everything was better in the past and is increasingly getting worse presently. There are documents from ancient Egypt and Greek in which historians and philosophers lament the exact same thing.
What I love is behind every gesture, every emotion going on here is the fact that they care so much about their teams and about the sport. Basketball is a way of life and they take it seriously. Not saying people don't these days, clearly they do. But it was on another level back then.
This is probably the game that caused Rodman to adopt Stockton’s questionable tactics for the rest of his career. Ended up using these SAME tactics against Malone to win a championship for the Bulls. Rodman won 5 titles, Malone and Stockton combined for zero.
Yes. The Bad Boy Pistons were known for their clean play. That all changed on this day, when John Stockton introduced dirty play to the game. This comment section full of whining Rodman and Pistons fans might be peak irony. The hypocrisy is unbelievable.
Youngsters these days don't truly appreciate the legend that was John Stockton. Here he gets rodman tossed out because he threw rodman on the ground. His greatest was the playoffs where he basically ended Jason Williams sanity. He had white chocolate so shook he NEVER fully recovered from it!! GOAT!!!
@@el8233 false, one of the most underrated players of all time. No one is close to his all time records, he lead the league in assists 9 consecutive times. To say there are 9 point guards better than him is completely asinine.
@@petervanbuskirk500 That’s like saying Westbrook is the best bc he avg a triple double for a few years. The best guys get it done when it matters. Stockton did not 🤷🏾♂️.
It’s hard to say. Today’s athletes are bigger, faster and stronger. No getting around that, they simply have the advantage of taking what worked best for the previous generations and expanding on it. But all sports were a lot more physical/violent back then. So while today’s athletes have the physicality to compete in that environment, they might not have the mentality. We’ll never know for sure, unless we build a time machine.
"...and Stockton did nothing wrong." Well, if it were WWE, sure, that near-suplex was fine. I love Stockton. Stockton should have been an honorary Bad Boy.
Two unique players in NBA history. Two legends. Literally the greatest pure rebounder of all time (if you look at actual rebounding opportunities, and especially inch by inch). And the other the all-time leader in assists AND steals.
And Dennis rodman call with him getting ejected was weak Jerry Sloan should have been the one dejected because he came out on the floor when he knew his player did a dirty play
I wish Basketball was still like this. I’m 25 I remember watching older rerun games with my Grandfather & to me Basketball was so much better back then. I enjoy college basketball more than anything nowadays, to me the guys in college just play harder.
To me it looks on real time that Dennis did something,but in replay you can see John raise his right leg twice to get caught up on Dennis,and then he seemed to fall moving backward as opposed to just falling down, so that he landed on Dennis. John being little would get the call more often than not. He looks like a pastor, so clean cut. Dennis was dirty but not good at hiding it like John was
They were both dirty players. Stockton was just so unassuming and he never got mad that people don't necessarily think of him as much when thinking about dirty players
Actually he set a pick and then was rolling to the basket. The thing that's often missed is the attempted pass to him. Which John Stockton stopped by tackling him. Because it's Dennis Rodman, people always assume it's him. Most cases it was, but not all the time. In this case John Stockton caused a big stir with something he actually started. 😂
Pistons: Isaiah Thomas, Dennis Rodman, Darrell Walker, Bill Laimbeer, Orlando Woolridge (RIP) Jazz: Karl Malone, John Stockton, Thurl Bailey, David Benoit, Blue Edwards I grew up watching and loving 90’s NBA!! Knew these guys even now like they are my relatives. Note: Do not like NBA nowadays, rarely watch it.
For one Olympics, Stockton was picked instead of Isiah for the Dream Team. The next time they played each other, Isiah scored 44 on him. Oh, Isiah! What a competitor.
They watched the replay and still trying to convince the audience that Rodman was at fault. Stockton initiated all that and should have solely gotten a whistle but the league was going to use the Pistons as the barometer until they were broken up or phased out all the Bad Boys, I'm saying this as one who literally hated the BB growing up but I see how politics and money changed how narratives go and the game was called. I am glad they cleaned up the game from some of the tactics used but this was ridiculous and Rodman pointing at Sloan as ejection worthy is pure foolishness. Beginnings of what we see today the Non Binary Association
Bruh I was just saying that. This replay alone showed Isaiah handles. That behind the back with the left was so natural and smooth and quick. That's natural ball handling
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“And there goes Jerry moving quicker than he ever did when he played” LOOOOOL What a jab
Hot Rod Hundley was an absolute monster on the mic 😂 even funnier when you realize Sloan and Hundley played against each other in the 60s lol😅
@@ericruiz1036no, hot rod retired before Jerry got to the league.
@@nicko5945 you right. Hundley retired in 63, Sloan drafted in 66
@@ericruiz1036 I believe Sloan was drafter in 65 but they almost played together. Only 2 years apart.
I wish i had realized then how much i would come to value this era
Miss these days of NBA basketball. Didn't realize it was the golden age til it was over.
First time I've seen Michael Jordan " his heirness text Chicago to their first of the 2 three-peats I knew I was watching something that no wanted ever seen before.
I love how Stockton shot the technical while Rodman being ushered off, not even slightly distracted, just getting down to business.
5rings vs 0rings speak of getting down to business 🥱
Stockton was just as dirty as any of the Pistons.
@@cycleoflife565 and just as Ole' Skool tough as well.
@@cycleoflife565I guess by those standards then Jordan was dirty
@@cycleoflife565 curry fan forgetting that those fouls were being called and everyone in the 80s and 90s played 'dirty'.. Nobody will let you score easily back then, but nowadays, well
"Stockton didn't do anything!" Just grabbed Rodman's leg and tackled him. 😂
Whatever Stockton did, Rodman earned with interest
If you watch Rodman puts a forearm in Stockton's face as the first step
Exactly and people still are making excuses for what Stockton did..
Rodman hit John in the face with his forearm. Stockton did what he did well play hard and for the most part didn't say anything to the players he defended. Stockton was a artful player and he did do some dirtying stuff but all of them did back then. Rodman was no angel.
You couldn't back down in those days.
One of the weird things about the NBA back then is how many arenas where if someone got ejected he would have to exit by walking right by the other team's bench. I mean what could go wrong?
I miss it lmao
Well, people weren't egotistical panzies with no lack of control back then like they are today
...and under the basket of the opposing team's player shooting a free throw (which he made).
Great point. That proves that it’s just phony entertainment. Same with baseball players charging the mound. Every sport is WWE. Especially NFL.
a single game in 90s is more interesting than a whole season now.
Least delusional old head
For real 😂💀
lol
Not even a whole game, just a five minute segment! 😂
I haven’t watched basketball in years got this reason. I am much more a hockey fan and stuck with hockey. Even hockey just isn’t the same. Higher skill, much more boring and uninteresting give most part.
This might be the only time that Rodman didn't start it.
Except he did.
@@DavidB-sj7pz lmfao....it's right there on the video, Stockton was a cheap player.
@@johnathanwalker8395 Did you watch the entire game or just the clip shown here?
@@DavidB-sj7pz I watched it live homer
@@johnathanwalker8395 So did I, Rodman started throwing cheap shots and trash talking almost the moment he set foot on the court. Stockton is definitely not blameless, but to state that Rodman didn't start anything is disingenuous/willfully ignorant.
I used to follow the game in those days. I was kid and was full of admiration for these players. They would give everything they had, they would fight for the win. But the respect and admiration they had for their fellow players was never in doubt
Love how these announcers are saying Stockton didn't do anything. WWF-grade commentary.
soon as Rodman's leg got in the way Stock just ripped it up in the air lol!
White mans world
My name Karl Malone
Cmon. You really don't think Stockton didn't instigate it somehow? Maybe not that immediate instance but before that?
Racism still existed in the 90s
I love these old clips with the legends. Big shout-out to Jerry Sloan who has one of the best coaching quotes of all time: "We're not playing well. We're just winning games because of Karl Malone."
Lol what
The golden age of basketball
Jerry Sloan is a legend. RIP
I personally think 2000's were just as good as the 90's, after Kobe won his last chip the NBA started the trend of being a 3 point shoot out with constant flopping and just gets worse each year.
@Jay Yoyo athletic freak also a talent
this is what you think,I totally disagree
@@Mr.Rotala Wow. Yikes. Nowhere near as good.
@Jay Yoyo I do know one thing with my limited basketball knowledge and that is the Mailman and your GGGoat Stckton won ZERO championships with all their talent while Kobe won FIVE.
Two of the dirtiest, most intense, most dedicated players on the court in NBA history going at each other and I love it with all my heart!
well said
Stockton wasn't dirty, he just played hard and was the best at it.
Nope.
One dirty player.
The other player is Stockton.
Wish the nba was still even remotely like this....
People who say John Stockton was dirty, blinked too often. 😴
This is when sports were GREAT. Guys giving it their all. Not switching teams every year. Loyalty. Bitter rivalries. Rodman vs Stockton WWE style. Coaches getting into it. Legit drama. Such a good video clip that captures the emotions of the era. Thanks for sharing!
Lol. It's like 5 minute of basketball not being played.
You never watched basketball seriously. This version of the NBA is slow and dramatic for novelty. We are in the best era of basketball. Some of these players wouldn't start a game in the current league.
Chuck Daly lookin’ sharp, as always. Jerry Sloan, lookin’ like he just stepped out of the Glengarry Glen Ross boiler room.
Man, I really miss those days. Come back, 1990s. All is forgiven.
Love that Glengarry comment. Very apt description of Sloan.
Garageland
Me too
Lmao 😂
Entertainment value was high during this era, lots of drama, slower pace, build up, suspenseful.
Slower?
Yeah I don't think fast pace is necessarily more entertaining. They just foul to stop the fast break anyways and we've seen those types of dunks that they do on fast breaks anyways
Personally, much rather watch a set defense and offense
Excellent point...
Bad Boy Basketball Forever
IDK, I mostly just remember a bunch of half-assed goonery that interrupted the flow of the game making it unwatchable at times.
For those wondering why John Stockton shot three free throws, two were for the two technicals on the assistant coach and one was for Dennis Rodman's second technical. His first was offset by Stockton's so there was no free throw.
I think the Jazz color guy was the only one wondering. He had no idea what was going on at any point of that video.
Why was Laimbeer shooting a free throw?
@@bwill3337 Probably cuz Rodman made one then got ejected, so someone had to take the 2nd one.
@@th7079Yup, and I’ll state the rule below, but it still doesn’t explain why laimbeer was chosen.
In 1991 when a player can’t shoot free throws because of ejection or injury, the opposing teams coach gets to choose a replacement shooter from anyone on the team (floor or bench).
Later in 97, they updated this slightly along with the other massive rule changes that year.
Again, It doesn’t make sense why laimbeer was chosen though, he was the 4th best. It’s kind of funny either way, because in this case, Rodman was the second worst free-throw shooter on the team. So anyone would have been an upgrade.
@@skforty Excellent question. I went to watch the video again.
It says at the end that Laimbeer shot a technical. And there was no one lined up at the FT line. So, he didn't shoot for Rodman. There's something missing in that video. Maybe the Rodman FT happens after the Laimbeer FT which was cut out of the video. But at the end, it does say Laimbeer shoots a technical. I don't know a technical on who. maybe on Sloan and the announcers didn't catch it? Who knows.
Great question.
this is rare.. thank you brother..
Back when guards weren't afraid to perform wrestling moves on forwards
Loved in the end how Mark Eaton (think that was his name) was following Rodman as he walked by Sloan. Dude was a GIANT!
To bad Mark Eaton passed away a couple years ago while on a bike ride
@@shawnshepard9849weird ass reply. What's that have to do with anything?
Rodman runs in front of John Stockton's FT - no problem
Raptor mascot jumps during Devin Booker FT - Devin Booker on the rag
Kinda tells you which era had tougher skinned players don't it.
"This is the NBA, baby!" GREAT line...wish the modern NBA had this level of intensity and fire.
I miss these days when teams actually meant something; you can see how invested Stockton, Rodman and Sloan all are in their teams.
so sad fr
wtf r u saying lmao
so basically u missed every warriors game this year
They're being payed, to stay invested in the team. Don't get so sentimental. It's called PROFESSIONAL sports for a reason. They're pros and it's just a job
@@goatnuts69 too hard to comprehend?? That's what lack of oxygen does to your brain when you never step out
That kiss back from Sloan was epic. What a legend!
legend of a looser!
He should've been T'd up for it!
Nobody knows who that guy is, he was as casual as it gets
@@detroit3456 Nobody knows who Jerry Sloan is? I think you'll find you are very much mistaken lol.
Dennis gets a tech for his gesture. But Sloan doesn’t.
Stockton was so good at being a dirty player. He was just subtle enough to rarely get called for a technical, and looked like a boy scout which could only help.
Yes, exactly
It almost seemed he had the little man's issue on the court.
😂 so true, it was the hair do that made him look like a choir boy, helped him get out of trouble
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Like Chris Paul.
Stockton was def dirty if not as dirty as kark Malone
Just wanna say - thanks for all the info and links in the description. Doesn't happen often
I respect Jerry Sloan for being there for his players at all times. Kenyon Martin wasn’t messing around when he said Sloan was a top 5 hardest players
The glory days of the NBA. Will be missed greatly.
Dennis Rodman overall was a trouble maker as well as Laimbeer.
glory days?... well... for people who glorify violence I guess.
Back when basketball was a man's game.
@@rickhammond2473 he was also a helluva defender and rebounder who you wanted on your team.
@@sh0cktim3 I watched the games you do not have to tell me.Basketball was played then now garbage just like auto racing 60;s and 70;s last good decade of racing now garbage.
Bottom line, you gotta love tough players. Rodman was great, so was Stockton & Laimbeer
A lot of people think Laimbeer was nothing but a cheap shot artist, but he actually put up some stats!
From Wikipedia:
"Laimbeer was most effective off the defensive glass - from 1982 to 1990 no player in the league totaled more defensive rebounds."
Laimbeer wasn't tough. if you hit him back, he would crawl back to his hole.
Yup, now days, it's like he touch me aren't you going to call a foul.
Lambeer was garbage. You got 2/3 right.
@@freeadvice1695 Lambeer was awesome, no one better
I love the revisionist history lol make absolutely no mistake about it: Stockton was dirty.
Rodman,lamberts and Thomas were three of the dirtiest players in nba history.
@@waynebryant1857 These are not mutually exclusive concepts.
he was so good at it you have to respect him for it, and tough
6 foot 1 , 180 pounds in a game of giants, to last 20 years, you do what you need to do, he wasn't dirty as a "career ender or put you out with injuries" but he let you know he was there every night, wasn't going to be intimidated or pushed around, and lived in heads of opponents and competed every night so hard. Miss him so much.
@@waynebryant1857 those 3 def in the conversation with Malone and Stockton
"Stockton didn't do anything"🤣🤣🤣
Pistons took the W
BOTH of these guys are total badasses. They're both beasts. Two of the greatest competitors of all time. Both went to the Finals multiple times. This was the NBA. Race, size, irrelevant. The will to win was all that mattered.
Which is the case now…? People’s fantasies about the 90s are absurd. There was illegal defense and hand checking. People couldn’t shoot the three (or just didn’t realize it’s efficiency, I.e Stockton). Stop with the weird fetishization.
Exactamundo. Nailed it.
Amen
As opposed to today where race matters?
@@MikeBesk it doesn’t, but unfortunately, commentators and media outlets have this weird fetish for race discussions when it’s totally irrelevant.
Stockton slams Rodman to the ground.
Announcer: Stockton didn't do anything
*Stockton. C'mon man.
@@Gstone1212 *Baxter Stockman
Exactly! 🤦🏾♂️
Sloan!!!! Rip legend. ✨
Stockton with a blatantly dirty play that could easily injure someone and the announcers trying to blame Detroit for dirty play sums up the Bad Boys era perfectly.
All I can think of is the Celtics broadcast dude. "The way they do things here" or when everyone said Detroit walked off on the bulls acting like the pistons were the first to do that. But the Celtics did it to us
No it perfectly sums up the system of white supremacy. White people don’t get held accountable for anything and place the blame on the black man
Yeahhhh, cos' Rodman NEVER played dirty, right?
@@Erlanders, very little in his Pistons days. He went off the rails after he left the Motor City.
The Pistons were rough and physical for sure, but rarely dirty. You won't find more than 4-5 examples of actual dirty plays and they will almost all be Laimbeer related.
@@JoeKnows44 I'll give you that. Rodman was very humble when he was in the Pistons. He was physical and aggressive and earned every rebound he got. But it didn't change the fact that he became a dirty player once he moved on to the sours and bulls. Far dirtier than Stockton imo. The only thing I didn't like about Stockton was his flopping, but I don't believe he was ever out to deliberately cause conflict the way Rodman did. But you're right, this one was on Stockton.
What where looking at hear is a young Rodman that became one of if not the best defense and rebounder of the game.... one of my favorite players
I feel these two teams could have been great rivals if they played in the same conference. This Jazz team probably would have fought fire with fire against the bad boy Pistons
Well it wasn’t like Malone and Stock were soft guys
Those Pistons Bay Boy championship teams always had trouble with the Jazz. This game was at Detroit, but it seemed like we never won in Utah.
@johnnorton3288 You can ask Isaiah Thomas about that.
With all the bad boy Pistons, and Stockton and Malone, the guy you didn’t want to mess with on that court was Jerry Sloan
LOL.... Jerry Sloan always ready to throw it down in defense of his players.
Chuck Daly was about that life too. When Malone elbowed Isiah and gave him 40 stitches, Chuck went after Karl.
Loved this era of b-ball - hell I know and accept I'm old😆but damn these were the good ol'days of playing and coaching 💯
To quote Steve Kerr…”I had the upmost respect for him as a player, but John Stockton was a dirty bastard.”
Stockton is the toughest point guard ever. He wasn't afraid to fight anybody. Remember when he went at David Robinson?
Play along with the Dirty elbow Rapist Malone , How can you not get a bit Nasty!
He was dirty
🤮
He went at Jordan too
Everyone knows. AND I mean everyone knows, that Isiah Thomas was the toughest and cut throatest little point guard there ever was.
Believe it or not Rodman met his match when facing Stockton. Both masters in their own right at these types of plays.
If this happened in todays game, somebody would have been arrested and awaiting trial for assualt and possibly "attempted murder."
Love, love the intensity. So entertaining, miss these characters.
so much fun. I miss it. nothing has the same feel since the 90s ended
Well, the 00's kinda did. Little bit left in the 10's. But now, yeah, not so much.
It's an illegal screen. Rodman's not only moving through Stockton (which is why Stockton's leg is in between Rodman's), but Rodman "sets" his feet (technically, not actually set, but we'll call it set) *inside* Stockton's space of a legal guarding position, with Rodman's feet clearly on Stockton's body's side of Stockton's feet when contact occurs (with Rodman still moving forward, towards the sideline), and most importantly, Stockton doesn't even *see* Rodman until that contact occurs. Isiah (sic) Thomas leads Stockton towards the sideline, allowing Rodman to set the screen, which ends up being a "blind back-screen" since Isiah pulls Stockton so far towards the sideline that Stockton turns his back towards the eventual screener (Rodman). As a blind back-screen where Rodman is outside of Stockton's field of vision, the screener (Rodman) is required to have his feet planted at least (and there's judgement on the official's part here) one to two steps away from the defender (Stockton). Rodman doesn't actually have his feet planted (which I would forgive as an official, since he's setting up to slip the screen for Isiah's rather nice pass, by the way), but since he sets up, not one to two steps away, but actually inside Stockton's space, straddling Stockton's legs, and then uses his momentum to continue "through" Stockton as contact occurs, not only initiating that contact (illegal contact in and of itself) with a screen that the defender can't see (illegal back-screen set waaaay too close, actually inside the defender's legally established space), but then using that contact to create additional space (that he uses to try to slip underneath Benoit as the switch defender) by actually pushing Stockton towards the sideline, it's blatantly an illegal screen. Stockton then uses some acting skills to not-too-convincingly cover up his illegal interference with Rodman's attempted slip to the basket, so I would say offensive foul on Rodman (illegal back screen), which stops the play, and technical foul on Stockton for his illegal "interference" with Rodman's slip to the basket during the consequent dead ball. No technical foul on Rodman, during the play at least.
Side-Note Commentary:
I grew up watching both Stockton and Rodman develop in the pre-Jordan era, and they're two of my favorite players. Yes, both were arguably dirty, they were definitely scrappy, and they didn't back down from anyone. I think that Stockton was much more subtle, but they were cut from the same basic cloth of physicality. I think that if Rodman had played for the Sloan instead of Daly, he would have developed more subtlety, but Daly, Isiah, and Laimbeer all encouraged a much less subtle, and often literal brutality. Dumars didn't, of all irony, even though he's often credited by Isiah and Laimbeer for ringleading the Bad-Boy Pistons brutality. Dumars was more in line with Stockton in that regard, in my opinion. Hard-hitter. Don't mess with him. But if you just played him straight up, he played you straight up as well. If you played ... less-then-straight-up, shall we say, both Stockton and Dumars would intentionally work to make you pay in perhaps less-than-straight-up ways in return. To understand what I mean, listen to the way Jordan talks about the 88-92 Pistons. He talks one way about Isiah and Laimbeer, pretty much doesn't talk about Daly at all (Dream Team Coach), and a completely different way about Dumars. Jordan respected Dumars. He despised Isiah and Laimbeer. I couldn't even tell you Jordan's opinion on Daly, and that seems kind of ... intriguing to me.
Rodman made a career out of getting under the skin of others, but Stockton beats him at that
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Oh yeah, Stockton had two things Rodman never did. 1, he looks unassuming and 2, he doesn't ever get upset.
They're both physical and dirty players. Stockton just had the edge
Lol good for Stockton balls on that guy… whitest dude EVER
Those big guys hated Stockton more than anyone bro.
@@jonthehermit8082 Because he screened them (much bigger players) out of plays so often. 🙂
Rodman was a good player a difficult mind set but a entertaining individual.
Real basketball. So many legends on that court.
I thought Dennis was faking at first, until that last replay,which clearly showed Stockton tripping Rodman. .
Stockton definitely initiated the trip after Rodman set the pick. I'm guessing Dennis also embellished a bit to make sure the refs knew it wasn't his fault!
@@chazbert2020 no it was a dirty play by a overrated little dirt bag player .
Stockton pound for pound one toughest players in any sport ever. Set hard as hell picks, got hammered on hard as hell picks, night after night, missed a handful of games in 20 years. Durable as any athlete ever. Top 1% in that regard. Killer stats, play-offs every year, just was so awesome to watch him. Gosh I wish he got one ring. Really thought that 98 team had it vs Bulls in round 2 of the Finals. Thought they would have had the fire and mental fortitude to beat the GOAT that year. Just can't beat Mike in the 90s come championship time.
Well said sir , he was simply amazing and I really miss him . I would take him over any PG in today game
You can never be soft in this era. I loved how Stockton played innocent after dropping an elbow to Dennis
The way that Stockton took the shots over Rodman as he's being escorted out is cold. Stockton was a bad dude.
He was shooting a free throw, get off ur damn knees🤣
@@detroit3456 I think it was cool that Stockton took the free throw anyway while Rodman cut in front of him. He wasn't even distracted.
@@detroit3456 someone sounds like a butthurt fan.
@@detroit3456 why are you assuming that he has knees??
Dirty player
One word...."tough".... the best era
Stop the cap 😂😂 they were actually tough in the 80’s the 90’s brought in flopping(Vlade)
@@jayb1303 didnt say decade....said era.... that era was 70s-90s.... And the era did end when that flopping started
@@kafklatsch3198 70’s 80’s and 90’s are their own era
@@jayb1303 since you say so... ...so when one says "the era of fullbacks is over".... it means fullbacks where utilized frequently for only a ten year period according to you... not possible one would be refering to the 60s, 70s and 80s.... thanks for the lesson..
@@kafklatsch3198 you literally used a different sport as an analogy 💀
Today's basketball players would get their asses absolutely crushed if they had to play basketball like they did back in the day.
IKR! It's not like they called double technical fouls in this video! Oh wait.
Every generation says that about the younger generation not only in sports but in all aspects in life. My dad was tough on me but not as tough as his dad on him, etc.....
Bigger faster stronger players. If the play style and rules were the same you can't possibly believe today's players wouldn't adapt to the old rules. They would adjust accordingly and thrive and it would look exactly the same. Guys like draymond, joker, embiid, Jimmy butler, lebron, Westbrook would use their physicality and toughness in ways they wouldn't be able to in today's nba.
@@JimDee885 that's true. But the spirit of toughness is not there anymore. We are too comfortable nowadays,it's too easy now in everything. Boys don't grow into men anymore.
@@jonsinkkonen9393 so did you just pretend not to read Guapo's comment?
Other than the swing-and-miss elbow, did anyone appreciate the handling and pass from Zeke?
Smooth
Rodman became Malone’s target almost immediately after that first foul. Shows how strong the bond was between him and Stockton.
Malone and Rodman were actually very good friends iirc. Just some competitive energy from them
Malone was a child sex predator, don’t care what that creep thought about anything
@@xenocide1307 Nothing close to as close as Stockton/Malone.
Yep. Malone and Stockton are kind of gay
0:11 that was a nice ass pass and would have been a phenomenal play.. John Stockton was not having it!
Not sure what Rodman did that was so terrible. A few in the comments say he threw a forearm to Stockton's face but I don't see anything close to that. No doubt he initiated contact but that type of aggression was hardly ever called in the 90's.
Calling the technical for pointing at Sloan after making the free throw seemed extreme to me. I thought players did stuff like that all the time.
Rodman set a legal pick then tried to roll to the basket. Stock tripped him and tackled him all in one swoop. Bullshit. Stock and Sloan should’ve been ejected
Nah Rodman definitely tried to get a quick piece of Stockton while getting up
At first it was just a trip up but Rodman looked like he tried to throw a slap or something.
Rodman “I make my living getting under other player’s skin while remaining calm. No one can do it like I can”
Stockton “Hold my beer”
This was a time the NBA was enjoyable to watch
What the f*ck was enjoyable about that? It was a freaking circus show. I cannot see why I should get excited about a player tripping up his opponent. Or the shenanigans that followed. Having said that, Isiah's ball handling is just marvellous to watch.
@@omnivorous65 It was a time where the ball movement and play was much better than today. And yes, men were men. If someone cheap shotted you, you gave as you got as opposed to laying on the floor like you are dead today after someone brushes against you, LOL.
@@frederickfrost6561 Did you see the GSW in the finals? They had superb player and ball movement. Absolutely gorgeous to watch. I have seen the basketball in the 80s and 90s and it had a lot of Iso-ball and players going one on one. Defense collapsing into the paint and once the ball hit a post player (McHale, Jabbar, Ewing, Olajuwon, etc.) it hardly ever was passed again. I do remember the finals Houston vs Knicks and the thug-ball line ups where brutality and viciousness stood in for talent.
@@omnivorous65 save your breath (fingers?), these old guys don't miss how things were when they were young, they miss being young. No amount of evidence or reason will convince them that the world isn't ending.
@@Ethan-tn4jc Good point. Actually, you hit the nail right on the head. And I can see the evidence in myself. I followed basketball back then with far more enthusiasm than I do today. The experience was so much more vivid. But that was me and my youthful perception and passion. But still, you can apply some objectivity at any age. On the other hand, it is a well-known quirk of human psychology that we believe - against all evidence - that everything was better in the past and is increasingly getting worse presently. There are documents from ancient Egypt and Greek in which historians and philosophers lament the exact same thing.
Man, too bad the Jazz couldn't pay Jerry Sloan enough for the guy to afford tailored suits that actually fit him.
This is when basketball was football. Ah I miss those days!😄
This is the NBA baby ! 90s nba was peak !
NBA at its glory days
Not the circus that is today...
This clip isn't a circus?
that was a nice defensive play by John -- known for his great overall game.
Looks like Dennis never liked Utah
What I love is behind every gesture, every emotion going on here is the fact that they care so much about their teams and about the sport. Basketball is a way of life and they take it seriously. Not saying people don't these days, clearly they do. But it was on another level back then.
This is probably the game that caused Rodman to adopt Stockton’s questionable tactics for the rest of his career. Ended up using these SAME tactics against Malone to win a championship for the Bulls.
Rodman won 5 titles, Malone and Stockton combined for zero.
*Michael Jordan won 5 titles.
Yes. The Bad Boy Pistons were known for their clean play. That all changed on this day, when John Stockton introduced dirty play to the game.
This comment section full of whining Rodman and Pistons fans might be peak irony. The hypocrisy is unbelievable.
We need more of this energy in the NBA. They'd make so much more money
Rodman running under the basket to the locker room as Stock takes his second FT..... 😂
LOL he was being dirty and cunning until he was in the locker room. And got a free throw out of it.
@@jimmyboy131 and Jazz still loss
1:25 "Stop-"
And Sloan getting himself into the mix, drawing a technical foul on Rodman while not even playing.
Youngsters these days don't truly appreciate the legend that was John Stockton. Here he gets rodman tossed out because he threw rodman on the ground. His greatest was the playoffs where he basically ended Jason Williams sanity. He had white chocolate so shook he NEVER fully recovered from it!! GOAT!!!
Stockton was low-key one of the dirtiest players from that era.
Now that I’m hearing him spew a bunch of zany conspiracy theories, I’m not surprised.
@@mrjooxmanallah He was slick for sure! But never lost his cool!! LEGEND
Stockton is so underrated but man he was tough and dirty. People tend to downgrade his career cos he never won a ring but he is one of best PG ever.
Top 10 - 15
@@el8233 you must be drunk or doped up or something!
@@petervanbuskirk500 False I watched Stockton play. Very overrated
@@el8233 false, one of the most underrated players of all time. No one is close to his all time records, he lead the league in assists 9 consecutive times. To say there are 9 point guards better than him is completely asinine.
@@petervanbuskirk500 That’s like saying Westbrook is the best bc he avg a triple double for a few years. The best guys get it done when it matters. Stockton did not 🤷🏾♂️.
They got two rings. Basketball was crazy back then. No way today players could survive
It’s hard to say. Today’s athletes are bigger, faster and stronger. No getting around that, they simply have the advantage of taking what worked best for the previous generations and expanding on it. But all sports were a lot more physical/violent back then. So while today’s athletes have the physicality to compete in that environment, they might not have the mentality. We’ll never know for sure, unless we build a time machine.
@@souldry Nah it's pretty well defined they're woke weak and care more about stats in video games than their actual playability.
@@maskcollector6949 as you like
"...and Stockton did nothing wrong." Well, if it were WWE, sure, that near-suplex was fine. I love Stockton. Stockton should have been an honorary Bad Boy.
HOF coach Jerry Sloan...HOF stockton-malone-rodman
Two unique players in NBA history. Two legends. Literally the greatest pure rebounder of all time (if you look at actual rebounding opportunities, and especially inch by inch).
And the other the all-time leader in assists AND steals.
Stockton is an underrated dirty as a diaper player, he just did it quietly.
Like most white players lol they always go harder on the black players like damn if they show even just a little emotion everybody gets scared smh
And Dennis rodman call with him getting ejected was weak Jerry Sloan should have been the one dejected because he came out on the floor when he knew his player did a dirty play
People who think Kyrie has handles never saw Isiah play.
I wish Basketball was still like this. I’m 25 I remember watching older rerun games with my Grandfather & to me Basketball was so much better back then. I enjoy college basketball more than anything nowadays, to me the guys in college just play harder.
Stockton did that on purpose and beat rodman at his own game. funny moment and I miss this NBA. Not the crap we see now.
Stockton been a dirty player
I really miss this passion in NBA today.
Dennis Rodman called John Stockton a dirty player.
This is classic Confession Thru Projection...
To me it looks on real time that Dennis did something,but in replay you can see John raise his right leg twice to get caught up on Dennis,and then he seemed to fall moving backward as opposed to just falling down, so that he landed on Dennis.
John being little would get the call more often than not. He looks like a pastor, so clean cut.
Dennis was dirty but not good at hiding it like John was
Rodman gave John his receipt in San Antonio
They were both dirty players. Stockton was just so unassuming and he never got mad that people don't necessarily think of him as much when thinking about dirty players
Fun fact… Dennis instantly had deep respect for John stockton after Stockton grapples him :-D a little dude ain’t backing up is something to respect
Its funny cause rodman didnt look like he did anything wrong during the interaction lol
He didn’t
Solid pick, the only thing he did was drop his shoulder.
Actually he set a pick and then was rolling to the basket. The thing that's often missed is the attempted pass to him. Which John Stockton stopped by tackling him. Because it's Dennis Rodman, people always assume it's him. Most cases it was, but not all the time. In this case John Stockton caused a big stir with something he actually started. 😂
Love the rivalry back then, and the attitude! Just good basketball then!
Dennis Rodman was great every team needs a guy like him
exactly
Every team could use a Jordan or Olajuwon too
0:33 Stockton flinched sooooo hard 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 scared
Pistons: Isaiah Thomas, Dennis Rodman, Darrell Walker, Bill Laimbeer, Orlando Woolridge (RIP)
Jazz: Karl Malone, John Stockton, Thurl Bailey, David Benoit, Blue Edwards
I grew up watching and loving 90’s NBA!! Knew these guys even now like they are my relatives.
Note: Do not like NBA nowadays, rarely watch it.
For one Olympics, Stockton was picked instead of Isiah for the Dream Team. The next time they played each other, Isiah scored 44 on him. Oh, Isiah! What a competitor.
No, what happened is Jordan stated it's either Isiah or me. Petty Jordan got him off the Dream team.
They watched the replay and still trying to convince the audience that Rodman was at fault. Stockton initiated all that and should have solely gotten a whistle but the league was going to use the Pistons as the barometer until they were broken up or phased out all the Bad Boys, I'm saying this as one who literally hated the BB growing up but I see how politics and money changed how narratives go and the game was called. I am glad they cleaned up the game from some of the tactics used but this was ridiculous and Rodman pointing at Sloan as ejection worthy is pure foolishness. Beginnings of what we see today the Non Binary Association
It’s cool how these announcers show no bias.
I wish somebody would post a clip of Stockton bloodying Matt Maloney's mouth during the 97 playoffs... LOL
That was vicious lol
Sorry Utah Jazz. Sorry back then and sorry now.
Stockton one of the dirtiest players in NBA history, the same as Rodman but in a cold, calculated and quiet way
This is the NBA baby 😂😂my favorite part of the video 😂😂
If Isaiah Thomas isn't a top 3 ballhandler of all-time idk what's going on in the world.
MJ slandering his name and his time as GM/Coach of the Knicks ensured the media would never give Isiah his respect
Bruh I was just saying that. This replay alone showed Isaiah handles. That behind the back with the left was so natural and smooth and quick. That's natural ball handling
Thomas was dribbling like he played in the 2000s sheeesh good smooth handles