Young people are terrified? How are the guy that were set on fire? Is he old enough to not terrified this kind of things? Or is any one else old enough for this?
the police there are much more aggressive than in Europe and America. In live streams I have seen people surrendering them and than getting beat up by cops
To be honest I understand why you are saying that, but there is always two sides in the story. Their actions were bad, but at the same time the government has triggered everything they could. Not withdrawing the bill for 3 months, setting the anti mask law and more. So I can see and understand both sides of the story here
spot on. they were told the court would not punish them, they had done whatever they like in the past months. Now, they are afraid of beaten up.The consequence is not over, this will affect the rest of their lives if they were educated like this. SAD
Many crimes and abuses committed by the acting HK security policing apparatus side too my friend, perhaps 10:1 ratio, compared to protester side... so sure, if one wishes to be more fair and transparent, let this also factor into the calculus ✌ it would likely help defuse the vicious cycle and normalize the debate .. peace
@@donkoh5738 What do you expect police to do in the face of massive anarchy? Their job is to enforce the law. If you disobey the law enforcement's order, then don't blame them for tackling you. This is justified anywhere in the world. 10:1 ratio? Are you really that ignorant? And you talk about fairness? How about those who just want to live a life? Are the students' recklessness actions fair to the rest of Hong Kong people? Do you know Hong Kong's GDP? -2.9% Yes, negative! Thanks to half year's lunacy. Is this fair to the hard working Hong Kong people? Where does this sense of entitlement come from?
@drut 'the anarchy' , as you narrowly see it with the clearly myopic predetermined paradigm you hold , is actually a broad based purpose, by a considerable % of the population, to protest abusive force from the start. And yes you are ignorant in denying possible 10:1 ratio of violence by Policing side, flaming the chaos and your - GDP growth 👏 congrats
rioters : be like water also rioters : lets trap ourselves in this campus honesty, the genius rioter that came up with this idea should receive a medal for ending the riot earlier than expected.
If they are scared, should stay at home! Now, it's too late. Crimes has been committed. Face the consequences. Surrender to the police or face arrest. Go to jail for at least 10 years!
@Jimmy Wijaya too bad you people are not old enough to insist your beliefs in others. Did democracy made you any richer or any better? Or probably give you more freedom to do more evil and harm? Lets see another 10yrs from now what your country would be.
@Jimmy Wijaya dude two of the three most superpowers don't trust follow democracy china is a capitalist with autocracy while Russia is not a true democratic only the USA is china and Russia became superpowers in 40 to 50 yrs while USA took almost 250 yrs
You were told you needed to leave by police at 10pm but you ignored that so this is your consequence. dont go around blaming police for trapping you inside the campus.
"Kirsten Huang" ~19 nov « _You were told you needed to leave by police at 10pm but you ignored that so this is your consequence. dont go around blaming police for trapping you inside the campus_ » You can't ignore that police first surround people, then ask them to leave when they can't at all, and finally accuse them. It's now routine in police world-wide (extensively used by French one): innocent people not accustomed to demonstrations gather to express their distress; police attack ("charge") them; people, seeing they have no path to get away and go back home, and still thinking nevertheless that police is respectful and even friendly to law, to justice and to the people, come to them to ask to let them pass the barrage and go back home; police refuse and further strengthen the barrage then fake to be attacked, throw grenades and fire tight shots right in the head of innocent people (dozens innocent with an eye lost, more with skull or face broken, one dozen with hand lost when trying to drive a grenade away from fellows and return it to throwers, and this according to gov figures, which are notoriously smaller than reality). All this completed with troops of government agents sent under false names to overwhelm forums with posts spreading the gov position and denigrating people, justice, AND TRUTH. Sat 23 Nov 2019 07:55
Perfectly logical actually. In fact, it's common sense. That's why violence should always be used to achieve dreams. Falls into the same logic. Logic of criminals.
once your rights will get abused by your govt you will come to know. Hongkong is silently struggling from log time for freedom pray for best and one more thing you think that hongkong protester are not capable of getting real weapons but they are not there for killing just protest for meaning and cause
yes, not like that corrupt leader, corrupt govt and corrupt police who can simply walk away from their crime who start the chaos, use violence not using persuasive approach and no gun control shooting civilian
They started something and passed the point of no return. Now they have to brace what’s coming and face the consequences. Only the cause and their will will determine the outcome.
it is very rare to see comments like yours appearing becos either people condemn them to the core, or people stand for what they are doing. but i really want to thank you and i appreciate what you have said, and i have to let you know, your words speak for me too. so thank you.
So the parents didnt notice that their kids are missing for 1 whole week? or do the so called "football practice" almost everyday while carrying riot gear and petrol bombs? They suddenly show up when their kids get arrested, charge those parents as well for their involvement in the protest
In Hong Kong the kids "family" are their friends. Not many are privileged enough to have one of the parents at home. They are too busy trying to make ends meet to try to survive with the high cost of housing which is the fault of the land barons that do not want to develop more housing for the lower class. Or maybe the parents are deadbeats that hang out playing Mahjong or gambling all day. No one knows their economic background. Some are from wealthy families that want to prove to their parents that they are wrong. This is the young thinking that they know everything because they read it on the internet. Life experience is called that for a reason.
TBH a lot of parents cut their ties with their children for this. Some protesters even beat their parents up. I suppose only a few parent came and blame the govt
yes like the people dont notice their city was being control by corrupt leader with their corrupt policy that lying not full withdraw their broken policy and law who is start this whole chaos from the beginning !!
The world thought they witnessed a group of brave souls fighting for the world’s freedom. Instead it’s a group of cry babies who didn’t get what they wanted.
Art Grey its a civil war ! If you can provide a better idea to fight a government that is clearly being controlled by the CCP what would u do in order to protect your freedoms and universal suffrage ?
@@blakeley38 true thing adam. If these people were "democratic" People would have supported them. In fact, the large crowd marches DID bring the attention of the world to their movement. Until they messed up. BIGTIME
Moin Khan yes the protest started out peacefully but were ruled illegal . You then had a major police crackdown with major violence !!! If its illegal to form protests which is part of democracy then how else do u respond to violence ???? With violence
Some crazy mental gymnastics going on here. These 'kids' occupied and trashed the uni completely of their own accord, barricaded themselves in and are now crying cos the police have come to arrest them. And this media outlet (and tbf most other Western ones) still shows them, as sympathetic characters. They are a disgrace and deserve 10 years sentence. Their parents might also want to accept some responsibility too rather than blaming the police, government and anyone but themselves. HK you are an embarrassment.
wackbeatz Actually this media at least called them radicals. So your point here is off. Also, We need to see both sides of the story. Honk Kong leaders accepted the bill which triggered people and obviously people protested which they still do. The media obviously shows you only the rioters, but many peaceful protests happen around the city. These rioters, though, always ruin it
@@meganod279 Radicals? They're rioters... Trashing their own uni, shooting police with arrows, burning innocent men, beating women... They're Cowards first and foremost and this proves it
@@wackbeatz Radicals is a word given in a negative way. So in a way it's worse than calling them rioters. About burning people, the burning happened to one person in specific. And everybody condemned this action. About beating women, I haven't heard anything of it. And there are also alot of people who also got shot from the police or a mainland guy who stabbed with a knife 4 people. In a conclusion, both sides have done enough. I know you're siding with only one side but I'm not siding with anyone. Instead we need to see both sides of the story, which you obviously doesnt seem to be that important for you.
@@meganod279 I can see both sides perfectly well. I think masked people taking it in turns to beat a defenceless woman to the ground over and over when she's trying to get away is just cowardly thuggery. You clearly aren't as informed to the situation as you like to think you are but I'd love to hear your justification for that kind of behaviour. Or maybe killing an old man with a brick. As for people that were shot, were you referring to masked men attacking armed police with metal bars? Hardly an indiscriminate act as its been portrayed...
Democracy does not include lawlessness. You can't destroy the city and be fine with it. No government around the world would tolerate that. Democracy or no democracy!!!! Do it legally, and peacefully within the confines of the law.
Adam once your rights will get abused by your govt you will come to know. Hongkong is silently struggling from log time for freedom pray for best and one more thing you think that hongkong protester are not capable of getting real weapons but they are not there for killing just protest for meaning and cause
And the police that indiscriminately attacked residents in the Prince Edwards attack (31/8) aren't murderers? Go get a life, police are human rights abusers and murderers too
They are not a child, the fact they are university students. These are grown adults. If they feel scare why are they going forward with intent to throw fire/petrol bomb?
Now you cry. Well if you can’t do the time, don’t do the deeds. And the mother really was saying because the kid can’t think clearly of the consequence of their actions, so the government can’t think clearly too? Well, if you raise your kids undisciplined, the society will discipline them for you. I guess that is why you cannot stop them from building this ridiculous “fortress”, they got no respect for your authority.
Anna Montageo Well, would you prefer a violent crackdown? It’s already clear the government cannot comply with the ridiculous 5 demands (release all the rioters? seriously?) so their only choice, besides shooting the lot, is to wait it out.
Anna Montageo I am also talking about the protest. Wait out the protest, same tactic as the rioters/protestors. “If only the government listened to us sooner, none of this would’ve happened!” If a man has a gun to your head asking you for all your money, you refuse, then he shoots you, can the guy with the gun say: “If only the guy I was mugging listened to me, he wouldn’t have died!” See? Doesn’t sound so nice when your reasoning doesn’t fit your narrative. Well, there was originally only one demand, and that was the official withdrawal of the extradition bill. Now that has happened, did it calm down the protests or stop the riots? Even by a little bit? No. So what makes you think complying with all 5 demands will do anything? But, to be fair, I agree with the investigation of police “brutality”. Whether they’re innocent or guilty, it must be proven in court. The resignation of Carrie Lam demand is also fine, I guess, Hong Kong is a democracy after all. For now at least. As for the release of the rioters and the retraction of the riot characterisation? Over my dead body.
@@VanThieu right? they make a demand protested and in the end got it. but they got greedy asking for 5 more.....at least stagger them over a period of 1 or 2 years lol.
Those 5 demands are ridiculous. But the hk government respond to it at some extent and given in, not the exact way the rioters want but atleast the government is willing. The problem is they have no leaders to represent their movement to talk or make a dialogue to the government and they don't want to negotiate with the government. One of the 5 demands is a full amnesty of all arrested rioters no matter what crimes they've done, which for me is ridiculous. You break the law, vandalize and beat people and destroy properties atleast pay the price for what you did. They're fighting for the rule of law right?
Ironic when in the same video it is admitted that what the government did with the masks is unconstitutional, what are the point of laws if they are used to control and subjugate rather than protect the liberties of the people.
@@note2tee You'll be talking to yourself all day long thinking that any HK protestor supports burning people up, that was an act by an individual who happened to be protesting. By the same token many Chinese mainlanders have done similar things such as the guy who stabbed and bit the ear of that guy in a mall a while back. Does that mean all Chinese mainlanders like to stab people and bite their ears when you don't agree with them, you tell me.
@@Razzy_D9111 burner x1 destroyer xMany. You are saying that some violently destroying stuff just so coincidence to that they are a protestor. What about shining laser to eyes? Shooting arrow to police? That's just so happen to be 1 only..... Like really 1 Stop dreaming.
Look how they shed tears for themselves yet no tears for the man who was hit by a brick or tears for his kin. Only selfishness and narcissism through and through. All I hear is WOE IS ME from the rioters. Look at me, me, me, not how rioters cause trouble and harms to others.
@@whz1991 that's true. I think some have been pressured into doing it because I saw a video with a kid that looks like he is in elementary School in the background
But some of their demands are reasonable. The problem is HK government, not HK police or the protesters. It's not HK vs China, and the HK government is not representing the locals.
Literally the only thing they wanted was the ability to elect a leader that represented the interest in Hong Kong rather than Beijing's agenda by the CCP candidates handpicking.
@@Razzy_D9111 wrong, they wanted to stop an extradition bill from going in place And the bill was only meant for criminals, and not even for political uses at that I mean murderer and stuff like that.
@@ChewK000 No one trust China to ever use their laws in non arbitrary ways, it wasn't needed in the first place because the crime didn't occur in China, there was no reason to include it in the bill, had it not been included everyone would've been okay with it. And those demands changed long before the government decided to retract the bill, none of this would've happened if their leaders listened to their people, and if it's going to be like that all the time unless 2 million people go out in the street to protest, might as well change whoever is in leadership. Their demands make sense.
The parents in these video talking about innocent young people. When these young rioters beating older people, destroying the city, burning people. You tell me now that these are student or innocent young people. These parents must be blind or paid actor. Its unbelievable.
There is too much freedom in Hongkong and police are so patient in dealing with these but rioters want only is to destroy everything what a crazy mind!!!
They never said ‘innocent’. The mother literally said that she thinks that the protestors (her children included) are too young to deal with the situation i.e. they’re being immature.
@@ryokkeno6107 totally nonsens. Why do you think the freedom is threatened. Because some rioters telling you. Second there is absolutely no reason to attack the police and destroying the city. Third, if you break the law you have to responsible for the consequency. Fourth China is not involved in these case. Some company is destroyed by rioters. Is that fair? Is that democracy? Older peoples with another view are attacked or murdered, is that fighting for freedom? Tell me.
@@millers5526 they started protesting because China is closing in on the gap between hongkong and china and also passing bills that will allow china to intervene with hongkong legal systems.
Which company dare to hire those criminals in the future? Ohh they cry cuz there is no more future for these silly violent rioters 😂😂😂 You just pay for what you commit
agree and police also like a child use violence and no persuasive approach.. Arrest corrupt leader, corrupt govt and corrupt police who use violence and being brutal with no gun control
@@salted5245 whats going on in HK was because of 1 roots, all because a broken policy that making lot of citizen come to protest it !! That corrupt policy was the main root of this chaos
@@fkmui03 I do agree that the Extradition Policy is terrible, but the protestors were not peaceful at all. The violence could have been avoided if they would have just been peaceful, like the 2014 protests in HK
The last clip showed a sign saying “Help Us”, based on the violence I have seen, I can be sarcastic and interpret this as “Help Us, escape so we can go back to the destruction and violence”. If they really want help, they would surrender and hand themselves in for the destruction of their cities; the death of a civilian, the brutality of those who pose different views. This all reminds me of the book “Lord of the Flies”.
@@pithikoulis the truth is that these "protestors" are damaging Hong Kong. Because of the constant vandalism Hong Kong is going into recession. The "protestors" have killed an old man and lit another man on fire over a verbal argument. Can you see the truth now?
@@laowai2000 China is a big place, If US and China have the same land size, US would have been the country with more pollution, China have a lot of green tech. I haven't mention the pollution caused by war in other places.
It was already bad, this just makes it worse right? By saying "nothing compared to" you are assuming that hk's only source of air pollution now is from the protests so it cannot be compared to the times without protests? Loll
The USA - last week police shot a boy in the back of the head for simply running away. Another teen shot for not obeying a police command. How do you think the US Police would deal with HK?
So basically the parents can't discipline their kids at home, and now getting in trouble and arrested outside. And the parents blame the police for arresting their kids...ok
2:10 - “they [the government] must have know that it was unconstitutional” (loose translation) in other words u r alleging the government is deliberately enacting measures contrary to the constitution. Girl, you do realize that the emergency powers have not been struck down entirely right? The emergency powers is still valid to the extent permitted by the basic law art.39 which incorporates the Bill of Rights. You do realize that the anti-mask legislation was struck down because it was slightly too broad - the court did not preclude the possibility that certain sections of the anti-mask legislation might be constitutional right? You do realize if it was more narrowly drafted, it might have survived right? You do realize the court recognized that the anti-mask legislation did have a legitimate aim and was in furtherance of such aim right? stop demonizing the government and blowing out of proportions with the likely uninformed inferences that you make based off of the reports by mainstream media. It is difficult to say it is obviously, or clearly unconstitutional and you should not smear the government by saying they actively attempted to violate the constitution without more evidence. The judgment is accessible online - go read it for yourself. It is precisely this type of uninformed, ignorant, and exaggerated statement - by widespread media and the propaganda teams among rioters - that have continuously poisoned the minds of our youth and have engulfed the hong kong landscape in flames. The government has its wrongs, but it has not done anything to deliberately harm citizens. The unfortunate violence inflicted by a limited number of police (you must bear in mind that there are about 30,000 police officers in hong kong) is but an unfortunate incident to the carrying out of their duties to protect citizens. It is not acceptable but does not vitiate the fact that their purpose is to protect other citizens and maintain law and order. And they have been more than restrained - oftentimes holding their ground and just waiting for the rioters to disperse. Dont show me stock photos deliberately capturing the single moment in time when a gun might have been pointed at a rioter. Look at the totality of the footage - the hours and hours of footage of police just standing their holding the line and waiting for rioters to disperse. Conversely, these rioters are deliberately inflicting harm on the police, deliberately causing destruction to public and private property and sometimes going so far as to beat up people with different opinions from themselves. Stopping mtrs, disrupting traffic in extremely dangerous ways (e.g. no. 2 bridge at cuhk; cross harbour tunnel), blocking access to hospital in kowloon tong, the list goes on and on. How will these actions further your obtaining of the 5 demands? I see no rational connection. I only see rioters expensing their own irrational behavior on the livelihoods and safety of fellow hong kong citizens - did you consider their safety, their opinions - they never said they wanted to sacrifice for your cause. You rioters usurped their will and their voice. Further, I only see the provoking of the hong kong government and the chinese government to take a harder, more brutal stance and the extinguishment of all hopes that the one country, two system will continue past 2047. I dont know if the hong kong government or the chinese government will suppress and harm society in the future - but i do know, that these rioters have harmed society - physically and emotionally - already, have indirectly kicked out mainland residents residing in hong kong, beat up fellow citizens simply because of differing views. I can only conclude that, i did not know that democracy meant only having one group of people with same or similar opinions and that everyone else with differing opinions should either “go back to china” or immigrate elsewhere, but if this is truly what the rioters envision democracy and freedom to look like - i dont want it.
I have been following the happenings of the protest in Hong Kong only for a few days and have to tell you, young people, that I admire you! You are strong, brave and your group is so organized! You are smart enough to know what's at stake: the autonomy of your country. Although it’s 2019, the world is full of fear, anxiety, control, and violence. No government or country has the right to limit or disregard the self-determination of its people. Every person/nation has the right to make decisions. Anyone who limits this - whether it is a private individual or a government -, commits an abuse which is a sin and a crime at the same time. You, university students only lifted up your voice against the arbitrary repression of the police and China. You protested peacefully and held on for so long. When the government tried to manage the conflict by main force, trespassed to terrorize protesters, you stood up for yourself, for your country and for all the deprived people in the world. The government which uses force acts from fear. You are too young to experience war but you were willing to take risks so Hong Kong and the next generations will be proud of you! Whatever happens, you are already winners in my eyes. You embody the hope for the future! Thank all of you for showing not only Hong Kong, China but also the world how we have to stand up for ourselves if a government acts like we hadn’t any human rights at all! I sympathize with people from Hong Kong! I wish they were united again - with all their generations!
2:47, totally excuse. It is like since my child is so young, it is reasonable to see him throw petrol bomb and set fire to an elder who just has different point of view!
These parents cant control their children and now pleading for mercy? How about that man they burnt, did they endow him with mercy? The rest of his life he may not be able to make a living to support his family. Are you parents going to support him and his family for the rest of his life? Not knowing how to re-act to the situation? They are the ones who started the chaos - throwing petrol bombs at the police when the police were just standing with the least protection, swallowing all the foul language insults from your children from the very beginning. These rioters escalated their attacks on the police and civilians first. So now the police is brutal and wrong to escalate their arrests? You should question those 2 million people who supported your children to do all these!!!
Stop making excuses for your children. They are too young. 18+ is call young? They are adults and should able to face the repercussions of their actions. If they cannot distinguish between right and wrong, then it is also the parents fault for not educating them at home. I was working at 15 and have been contributing to the society and well-being of my family. Why cant these protestors do something more constructive like this? These people are truly brainwashed
why didn't it have caption saying that over a hundred under 18 kids were released unconditionally accompanied by high school principals? Again doesn't fit their narrative?
There is always a choice HK students... They need to accept the responsibility of their choices, why are they crying about their choices? They are the ones who chose to do this, they are the ones who treated everyone this badly. "Simple" demands... They simply want a get out of jail free card. Universities need to teach humility to these kids.
Parents are saying, protesters doesn't know how to deal with this situation Then why you people let them to protesting against law and order. They thought about their childs safety while the time they cornered by police Do you Thought it's a simple action to destroy Hongkong's harmony by throwing bombs and bricks
In most of these cases, they are not students. I wish we all understand though, that these are rioters. They are not part of the protesters. Rioters destroy.
I don't think 18 year olds entering university i.e. "big boy school" isn't "too young" lady..... They can think and talk in a humanely manner. And you treat them as if they're babies still 😂😂😂
I feel calling them, "radicals" , is too ideologically skewed in using such a term. Whereas, very arguably they could be identified more accurately as merely defiant young, impassioned protesters so furious at all the previous disproportionate police abuse of force and seemingly rogue, unlawful state. These students have a rightful motive in defending a timely pathway towards a legitimate 2-system relationship with Mainland. They are naturally angry at the delays, perceived stalling tactics, excuses given for needing continued crackdowns and surely the apparent hints of a 1-system rule of law being the preconceived agenda . Hence, a Vicious cycle?? Very sadly the totally unnecessary chaotic standoff whereby a credible, fair concession process implemented months ago would have most likely yes, preempted all of this viciousness! Peace and love to Hong Kong ✌
How to be a regular citizen/contributor to society: 1. Graduate from hs/college 2. Find a job 3. Feed/support family 4. Pay taxes 5. Hang out with friends Apparently majority of them dont know what comes after 1
I'll be generous to offer CCP a decent solution to the ongoing HK mess (Y'all welcome) : *Macau declares general election* while HK won't get it until justice, national security & order is restored. That's it. Now leaving everyone to a satisfied position. And HK learned a lesson as well.
It's all very emotional but law is law. You are old enough to break it then you are old enough to be held responsible. Last time I checked the min. age for criminal responsibility in HK is 7. (7-14 generally considered incapable to commit crime unless proven beyond reasonable doubt). They all look older than 7 to me.
Some people claim that this proves that "one country, two systems" is a failure. But don't forget, this thing has been going on for half a year. The riots only occurred in Hong Kong and did not spread to other cities. Shenzhen is close to Hong Kong, and people's lives are as usual. In my opinion, this only proves that Hong Kong people have a poor ability to govern themselves. The "one country, two systems" function as a firewall, so that their failure can not drag more people into the water.
One system descends into chaos while the other remains humming along proves one country two systems does not work. For that to work, both systems need to work. Two diametrically opposed systems cannot work under one country with a unified sense of one people.
@@ChewK000 HK is not China, no one from HK identifies as Chinese, the only reason they are under Chinese rule is because Great Britain had to return the land, nothing more, nothing less.
@Shawn Li It's not against the law to protest, the only reason people are in arms is because the police is repressing what once was and still is in some parts peaceful protest. People have the right to be upset if they can't show their discontent with the government for risk of getting jailed.
You know, the real irony here, is that if I had a girlfriend, and she wanted to leave me, and although I forced her to stay for decades, at the end of the day when she's literally punching me, kicking me, cursing me, hitting me with bricks and throwing firebombs at me... I think common sense would eventually kick-in, and I'd let her go...
Totally analogy to use, shows you don’t understand the situation. A more suitable analogy would be you and your mother. Would you break relationship if you had an argument?
@@Vermilion2049 ...and clearly you live in mainland China and are brainwashed by state TV news. No, lol I clearly understand the situation, but thank you for the laugh!
Nono, that’s not it. The story should be, your girlfriend wants to throw you out of your house so she can let in her new lover. And I am sure you rather to be a homeless.
cry as might as you can, for this is a very valuable and costly lesson that even the university can't teach you. everything has consequences. if those parents don't want their kids to suffer more, they should've been in the front lines calling out to their children to stop. that's how you show responsibility as a parent.
NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW. I don't care what you are fighting for. There's other ways to go about it but destroying your city is not one of them. I hope every rioter that trashed this beautiful city HK goes to jail.
@Der Kafkaeske I don't care who, it doesn't justify breaking the law. Be better than that, the HK people should stand together in unity against these people instead of taking the anger out of people who don't share the same interest with them.
"they are terrified"
*throwing bricks and explosives chemicals, shooting and stabbing people, setting fire on a person
Ok~~ they are terrified?
Invoke sympathy : Failed
Bully the weak and fear the strong, LOL
Terrorfied
Agree
They are terrified so they are fighting back. It's that simple.
too young to deal with the situation?? they know how to throw petrol bombs and build barricades, i'm pretty sure they know what the consequences are!!
Young people are terrified? How are the guy that were set on fire? Is he old enough to not terrified this kind of things? Or is any one else old enough for this?
the police there are much more aggressive than in Europe and America. In live streams I have seen people surrendering them and than getting beat up by cops
To be honest I understand why you are saying that, but there is always two sides in the story.
Their actions were bad, but at the same time the government has triggered everything they could. Not withdrawing the bill for 3 months, setting the anti mask law and more.
So I can see and understand both sides of the story here
@@meganod279 ohhh..., give it a rest..!
spot on. they were told the court would not punish them, they had done whatever they like in the past months. Now, they are afraid of beaten up.The consequence is not over, this will affect the rest of their lives if they were educated like this. SAD
@@sebianvandespiegle1316 you just did not see that. Mr. Pro
"If you are old enough to commit these crimes, you are old enough to face the punishment."---David Cameron. Hey, this is your British Daddy's word.
Gla Drut 🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍👍👍👍
Many crimes and abuses committed by the acting HK security policing apparatus side too my friend, perhaps 10:1 ratio, compared to protester side... so sure, if one wishes to be more fair and transparent, let this also factor into the calculus ✌ it would likely help defuse the vicious cycle and normalize the debate .. peace
@@donkoh5738 What do you expect police to do in the face of massive anarchy? Their job is to enforce the law. If you disobey the law enforcement's order, then don't blame them for tackling you. This is justified anywhere in the world. 10:1 ratio? Are you really that ignorant? And you talk about fairness? How about those who just want to live a life? Are the students' recklessness actions fair to the rest of Hong Kong people? Do you know Hong Kong's GDP? -2.9% Yes, negative! Thanks to half year's lunacy. Is this fair to the hard working Hong Kong people? Where does this sense of entitlement come from?
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
@drut 'the anarchy' , as you narrowly see it with the clearly myopic predetermined paradigm you hold , is actually a broad based purpose, by a considerable % of the population, to protest abusive force from the start. And yes you are ignorant in denying possible 10:1 ratio of violence by Policing side, flaming the chaos and your - GDP growth 👏 congrats
rioters : be like water
also rioters : lets trap ourselves in this campus
honesty, the genius rioter that came up with this idea should receive a medal for ending the riot earlier than expected.
The university has a network connection that its not controlled by those China suckers.
Thats the reason behind it.
that was the biggest joke by asking to be trapped... and they thought that by controlling the cross-harbour tunnel, the govt will give in 😂😂😂
@@Rafael96xD china has nothing to do with the entire thing
They only put the extradition bill for 1 man who killed his gf and fled to Hong Kong.
It was about sending a message. Plus PolyU had unrestricted access to information.
If they are scared, should stay at home! Now, it's too late. Crimes has been committed. Face the consequences. Surrender to the police or face arrest. Go to jail for at least 10 years!
they're old enough to take responsibility for their actions
Well said. Couldn't agree with you more.
@Jimmy Wijaya too bad you people are not old enough to insist your beliefs in others. Did democracy made you any richer or any better? Or probably give you more freedom to do more evil and harm? Lets see another 10yrs from now what your country would be.
@@kimchongify Words of wisdom.
You want to be a citizen where your rights are none? You want to be slaves to Beijing?
@Jimmy Wijaya dude two of the three most superpowers don't trust follow democracy china is a capitalist with autocracy while Russia is not a true democratic only the USA is china and Russia became superpowers in 40 to 50 yrs while USA took almost 250 yrs
Why u crying now? Did u cry for the 70 yr old grandpa that u killed?
yep
Right
And the eldery THEY BURNED ALIVE?
They are happy to see that Someone's death
And don't forget these people too. "How Hong Kong Protesters Treat Women" ruclips.net/video/A8_YW8SkYBs/видео.html
You were told you needed to leave by police at 10pm but you ignored that so this is your consequence. dont go around blaming police for trapping you inside the campus.
Kirsten Huang Do you always do as you’re told even when it’s wrong ?
"Kirsten Huang" ~19 nov « _You were told you needed to leave by police at 10pm but you ignored that so this is your consequence. dont go around blaming police for trapping you inside the campus_ »
You can't ignore that police first surround people, then ask them to leave when they can't at all, and finally accuse them.
It's now routine in police world-wide (extensively used by French one): innocent people not accustomed to demonstrations gather to express their distress; police attack ("charge") them; people, seeing they have no path to get away and go back home, and still thinking nevertheless that police is respectful and even friendly to law, to justice and to the people, come to them to ask to let them pass the barrage and go back home; police refuse and further strengthen the barrage then fake to be attacked, throw grenades and fire tight shots right in the head of innocent people (dozens innocent with an eye lost, more with skull or face broken, one dozen with hand lost when trying to drive a grenade away from fellows and return it to throwers, and this according to gov figures, which are notoriously smaller than reality).
All this completed with troops of government agents sent under false names to overwhelm forums with posts spreading the gov position and denigrating people, justice, AND TRUTH.
Sat 23 Nov 2019 07:55
Set fire, throw bricks, occupy the campus.And then be arrested. That’s logic
Shawn T ok Chinese bot
@@WhenTheTucker then what
but who will arrest these "police officers"?
Perfectly logical actually. In fact, it's common sense. That's why violence should always be used to achieve dreams. Falls into the same logic. Logic of criminals.
once your rights will get abused by your govt you will come to know. Hongkong is silently struggling from log time for freedom pray for best and one more thing you think that hongkong protester are not capable of getting real weapons but they are not there for killing just protest for meaning and cause
Yes your kids are inside, but they can't simply walk away from their crime.
yes
yes, not like that corrupt leader, corrupt govt and corrupt police who can simply walk away from their crime who start the chaos, use violence not using persuasive approach and no gun control shooting civilian
Rioter hide among student after committing crimes. Cry when they get arrested. Children.
Those rioters are using those students as shield! Typical terrorist tactics! Using kids soldiers!
When it comes time to pay for their crimes they wanna hide and act all innocent and scared ,I say no mercy
@@uskiii8820 those master mind will hunted by CCP soon.
They started something and passed the point of no return. Now they have to brace what’s coming and face the consequences. Only the cause and their will will determine the outcome.
it is very rare to see comments like yours appearing becos either people condemn them to the core, or people stand for what they are doing. but i really want to thank you and i appreciate what you have said, and i have to let you know, your words speak for me too. so thank you.
@@iammcwaffles5514 Paying with blood is the most Communist idea I've ever heard...
@@iammcwaffles5514 So, pay firstly your blood please.
Nice and correct comment sir.
theres a bigger problem behind this,
hong kong want independence and china will not allow that, china are set to expand not shrink
So the parents didnt notice that their kids are missing for 1 whole week? or do the so called "football practice" almost everyday while carrying riot gear and petrol bombs? They suddenly show up when their kids get arrested, charge those parents as well for their involvement in the protest
In Hong Kong the kids "family" are their friends. Not many are privileged enough to have one of the parents at home. They are too busy trying to make ends meet to try to survive with the high cost of housing which is the fault of the land barons that do not want to develop more housing for the lower class. Or maybe the parents are deadbeats that hang out playing Mahjong or gambling all day. No one knows their economic background. Some are from wealthy families that want to prove to their parents that they are wrong. This is the young thinking that they know everything because they read it on the internet. Life experience is called that for a reason.
TBH a lot of parents cut their ties with their children for this. Some protesters even beat their parents up. I suppose only a few parent came and blame the govt
yes like the people dont notice their city was being control by corrupt leader with their corrupt policy that lying not full withdraw their broken policy and law who is start this whole chaos from the beginning !!
@@fkmui03 I mean every country has a corrupted government, even yours right now maybe except Russia, Putin guard corruption so tightly.
@@fkmui03 you talking about what country exactly? Because that applies to like, half the globe.
The world thought they witnessed a group of brave souls fighting for the world’s freedom. Instead it’s a group of cry babies who didn’t get what they wanted.
Edmund Lee so ignorant 🤦🏼♂️ do you like your freedom ? Or would u rather be under a communist dictatorship aka the CCP ?
@@blakeley38 With violance ?destroying your own city ? beating people who don't agree with your ideology ?
Art Grey its a civil war ! If you can provide a better idea to fight a government that is clearly being controlled by the CCP what would u do in order to protect your freedoms and universal suffrage ?
@@blakeley38 true thing adam. If these people were "democratic" People would have supported them. In fact, the large crowd marches DID bring the attention of the world to their movement. Until they messed up. BIGTIME
Moin Khan yes the protest started out peacefully but were ruled illegal . You then had a major police crackdown with major violence !!! If its illegal to form protests which is part of democracy then how else do u respond to violence ???? With violence
Some crazy mental gymnastics going on here. These 'kids' occupied and trashed the uni completely of their own accord, barricaded themselves in and are now crying cos the police have come to arrest them. And this media outlet (and tbf most other Western ones) still shows them, as sympathetic characters. They are a disgrace and deserve 10 years sentence. Their parents might also want to accept some responsibility too rather than blaming the police, government and anyone but themselves. HK you are an embarrassment.
wackbeatz
Actually this media at least called them radicals. So your point here is off.
Also, We need to see both sides of the story. Honk Kong leaders accepted the bill which triggered people and obviously people protested which they still do.
The media obviously shows you only the rioters, but many peaceful protests happen around the city. These rioters, though, always ruin it
@@meganod279 Radicals? They're rioters... Trashing their own uni, shooting police with arrows, burning innocent men, beating women... They're Cowards first and foremost and this proves it
@@wackbeatz
Radicals is a word given in a negative way. So in a way it's worse than calling them rioters.
About burning people, the burning happened to one person in specific. And everybody condemned this action. About beating women, I haven't heard anything of it. And there are also alot of people who also got shot from the police or a mainland guy who stabbed with a knife 4 people.
In a conclusion, both sides have done enough.
I know you're siding with only one side but I'm not siding with anyone.
Instead we need to see both sides of the story, which you obviously doesnt seem to be that important for you.
@@meganod279 I can see both sides perfectly well. I think masked people taking it in turns to beat a defenceless woman to the ground over and over when she's trying to get away is just cowardly thuggery. You clearly aren't as informed to the situation as you like to think you are but I'd love to hear your justification for that kind of behaviour. Or maybe killing an old man with a brick. As for people that were shot, were you referring to masked men attacking armed police with metal bars? Hardly an indiscriminate act as its been portrayed...
Democracy does not include lawlessness. You can't destroy the city and be fine with it. No government around the world would tolerate that. Democracy or no democracy!!!! Do it legally, and peacefully within the confines of the law.
I would hate to be the one to clean that place after this is over.
most of HK's cleaners are old aged 60+. Those ZOMBIES even attack cleaners while they are cleaning streets and killed one of them.
Great Community service for the 400 arrested
@@mitobozillman6067 The true filth is found in mainland government.
@@MrGrenadeLauncher Right, like the police shooting bullets, water canon, grenades in every direction isn't damaging anything ?
@@jazz96765 thats what happans dealing with these thugs murderers they are lucky there arent using real bullets thats what they deserve
When they destroy PolyU, they should be responsible for the consequences.
Adam , agree
Adam once your rights will get abused by your govt you will come to know. Hongkong is silently struggling from log time for freedom pray for best and one more thing you think that hongkong protester are not capable of getting real weapons but they are not there for killing just protest for meaning and cause
400 arrests won't do it. go get them all. there are murderers among them.
Does not matter. The corrupted court will release them all.
Indiscriminate mass arrests were designated a war crime in 1944 by a Commission on war crimes created by the London International Assembly.
And the police that indiscriminately attacked residents in the Prince Edwards attack (31/8) aren't murderers? Go get a life, police are human rights abusers and murderers too
@@BoxEnjoyer If you participate into the stand off, you are a criminal.
@@BoxEnjoyer What about indiscriminate mass bombing by the US in Iraq and Syria?
They are old enough to beat other people, to set fire on other person??
Protestor did NOT set that man on fire
since when are university students considered kids?
They are not a child, the fact they are university students. These are grown adults. If they feel scare why are they going forward with intent to throw fire/petrol bomb?
Now you cry. Well if you can’t do the time, don’t do the deeds.
And the mother really was saying because the kid can’t think clearly of the consequence of their actions, so the government can’t think clearly too? Well, if you raise your kids undisciplined, the society will discipline them for you. I guess that is why you cannot stop them from building this ridiculous “fortress”, they got no respect for your authority.
Anna Montageo Well, would you prefer a violent crackdown? It’s already clear the government cannot comply with the ridiculous 5 demands (release all the rioters? seriously?) so their only choice, besides shooting the lot, is to wait it out.
The protest really is about social and economical mobility of the young generation. The protest missed the mark at the start.
賈悟遠 Antony-John well said brother.
Anna Montageo I am also talking about the protest. Wait out the protest, same tactic as the rioters/protestors.
“If only the government listened to us sooner, none of this would’ve happened!”
If a man has a gun to your head asking you for all your money, you refuse, then he shoots you, can the guy with the gun say: “If only the guy I was mugging listened to me, he wouldn’t have died!” See? Doesn’t sound so nice when your reasoning doesn’t fit your narrative.
Well, there was originally only one demand, and that was the official withdrawal of the extradition bill. Now that has happened, did it calm down the protests or stop the riots? Even by a little bit? No. So what makes you think complying with all 5 demands will do anything?
But, to be fair, I agree with the investigation of police “brutality”. Whether they’re innocent or guilty, it must be proven in court. The resignation of Carrie Lam demand is also fine, I guess, Hong Kong is a democracy after all. For now at least.
As for the release of the rioters and the retraction of the riot characterisation? Over my dead body.
0:48 very simple? those 5 demands seems to be quite not simple..............
It would appeared that they overestimated their power and global support.
@@VanThieu right? they make a demand protested and in the end got it. but they got greedy asking for 5 more.....at least stagger them over a period of 1 or 2 years lol.
Those 5 demands are ridiculous. But the hk government respond to it at some extent and given in, not the exact way the rioters want but atleast the government is willing. The problem is they have no leaders to represent their movement to talk or make a dialogue to the government and they don't want to negotiate with the government. One of the 5 demands is a full amnesty of all arrested rioters no matter what crimes they've done, which for me is ridiculous. You break the law, vandalize and beat people and destroy properties atleast pay the price for what you did. They're fighting for the rule of law right?
yes like the corrupt leader who not full withdraw the corrupt policy they make that start this CHAOS
@@fkmui03 you living under a rock? they withdrew that policy that started all this months ago. it is not that hard to google
If they are able to make the action, they are able to take responsibility. That Simple. Don't make excuses like they are just kids.
鹿弗朗克 clearly u r a chinese mainland the CCP or aka china is a dictatorship sorry but i support freedom 🇨🇦
adam b Is that all you can say? Support “freedom”? Is that your argument towards “CCP bots”? Brainless...
@@blakeley38 Freedom does not mean freedom to riot. I don't recall any "legal riots" in the West.
@@blakeley38 ？？？you even can't make a argument, so brainless.
but who will arrest these "police officers"?
Simply you have broken the law, and you don’t admit! HK should no longer tolerate law breaker!
Ironic when in the same video it is admitted that what the government did with the masks is unconstitutional, what are the point of laws if they are used to control and subjugate rather than protect the liberties of the people.
What is law? I can’t find it in the Chinese dictionary
I support the anti mask. The mask hide all the nasty people face who destroy other people properties and include burning a man alive.
@@note2tee You'll be talking to yourself all day long thinking that any HK protestor supports burning people up, that was an act by an individual who happened to be protesting.
By the same token many Chinese mainlanders have done similar things such as the guy who stabbed and bit the ear of that guy in a mall a while back.
Does that mean all Chinese mainlanders like to stab people and bite their ears when you don't agree with them, you tell me.
@@Razzy_D9111 burner x1 destroyer xMany. You are saying that some violently destroying stuff just so coincidence to that they are a protestor. What about shining laser to eyes? Shooting arrow to police? That's just so happen to be 1 only..... Like really 1 Stop dreaming.
Look how they shed tears for themselves yet no tears for the man who was hit by a brick or tears for his kin. Only selfishness and narcissism through and through. All I hear is WOE IS ME from the rioters. Look at me, me, me, not how rioters cause trouble and harms to others.
I don't condone violence, but what you said goes both ways. Independent police inquiry is the right thing to do.
Really? Because if you actually listened to their words, they are saying the opposite of what you understood.
@@TheNoobzoid No, it don't. The police don't blatantly attack people who cleaning the street they destroyed.
@@goliaboi time stamp it.
2:51 but they are old enough to pay for the consequence they commited
indeed
Kita Sfhinx but under 18 does give free pass to criminal act
@@whz1991 that's true. I think some have been pressured into doing it because I saw a video with a kid that looks like he is in elementary School in the background
@Kita Sfhinx I'm pretty sure university students are 18 and older.
The people of hong kong and people around the world are losing patience with these rioters. It now has no purpose and is just destoying hong kong
But some of their demands are reasonable. The problem is HK government, not HK police or the protesters. It's not HK vs China, and the HK government is not representing the locals.
@@TheNoobzoid lol, reasonable? all 5 year olds demands
So wat
Who around the world is losing patience? I'm not. Go to twitter and lookup hong kong. They aren't losing patience over there.
The purpose is to destroy HK, these are just useful idiots in a grand scheme
You guys want to fight the police, so FIGHT!!!
@PatG Well evidently it is.
Literally the only thing they wanted was the ability to elect a leader that represented the interest in Hong Kong rather than Beijing's agenda by the CCP candidates handpicking.
@@Razzy_D9111 wrong, they wanted to stop an extradition bill from going in place
And the bill was only meant for criminals, and not even for political uses at that
I mean murderer and stuff like that.
@@Razzy_D9111 it doesnt sound like it based on their 5 demands that's ever changing
@@ChewK000
No one trust China to ever use their laws in non arbitrary ways, it wasn't needed in the first place because the crime didn't occur in China, there was no reason to include it in the bill, had it not been included everyone would've been okay with it.
And those demands changed long before the government decided to retract the bill, none of this would've happened if their leaders listened to their people, and if it's going to be like that all the time unless 2 million people go out in the street to protest, might as well change whoever is in leadership.
Their demands make sense.
The parents in these video talking about innocent young people. When these young rioters beating older people, destroying the city, burning people. You tell me now that these are student or innocent young people. These parents must be blind or paid actor. Its unbelievable.
There is too much freedom in Hongkong and police are so patient in dealing with these but rioters want only is to destroy everything what a crazy mind!!!
They never said ‘innocent’. The mother literally said that she thinks that the protestors (her children included) are too young to deal with the situation i.e. they’re being immature.
say that when your freedom is threatened
@@ryokkeno6107 totally nonsens. Why do you think the freedom is threatened. Because some rioters telling you. Second there is absolutely no reason to attack the police and destroying the city. Third, if you break the law you have to responsible for the consequency. Fourth China is not involved in these case. Some company is destroyed by rioters. Is that fair? Is that democracy? Older peoples with another view are attacked or murdered, is that fighting for freedom? Tell me.
@@millers5526 they started protesting because China is closing in on the gap between hongkong and china and also passing bills that will allow china to intervene with hongkong legal systems.
Kids in the West are asked by their parents all the time: "If all your friends jumped off a bridge, would you do it as well"?
what do they usually reply?
But what the others doing now is not wrong
Jumping off a bridge is just total nonsense to do
OK BOOMER
depend on if they jump they survive or if they dont jump they got eaten by a Big Bear like winnie the pooh !!
"I beat people but I would cry like a baby if they beat me." What kind of cowards do Hong Kong have?
Which company dare to hire those criminals in the future? Ohh they cry cuz there is no more future for these silly violent rioters 😂😂😂 You just pay for what you commit
I hear the Taliban is recruiting suicide bombers, which would be a perfect job opportunity for these bright young future of the world.
It’s more like childish war game, no much casualties, just a lot of properties damages. Unfortunately
agree and police also like a child use violence and no persuasive approach.. Arrest corrupt leader, corrupt govt and corrupt police who use violence and being brutal with no gun control
@Free HongKong so police use violence ? thanks bro for stand with HK to free from corrupt govt and leader !!
@@fkmui03 Can you do your research first before speaking such things. And please stop being so ignorant and unaware of what is going on in HK.
@@salted5245 whats going on in HK was because of 1 roots, all because a broken policy that making lot of citizen come to protest it !! That corrupt policy was the main root of this chaos
@@fkmui03 I do agree that the Extradition Policy is terrible, but the protestors were not peaceful at all. The violence could have been avoided if they would have just been peaceful, like the 2014 protests in HK
its time to pay.
Yes carrie lam should pay for her mistakes! Police should be held accountable for starting the whole violence bs!
@@soggygreenbean9 ruclips.net/video/CU2Xr2vGkGA/видео.html
@@soggygreenbean9 no, both sides should pay for what they have done, the police for starting it and the protestors for escalating it.
The last clip showed a sign saying “Help Us”, based on the violence I have seen, I can be sarcastic and interpret this as “Help Us, escape so we can go back to the destruction and violence”. If they really want help, they would surrender and hand themselves in for the destruction of their cities; the death of a civilian, the brutality of those who pose different views. This all reminds me of the book “Lord of the Flies”.
@@pithikoulis typical dumbest creatures produced by Western world, don't want to face the truth.
@@pithikoulis basically what the op said.
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@@pithikoulis the truth is that these "protestors" are damaging Hong Kong. Because of the constant vandalism Hong Kong is going into recession. The "protestors" have killed an old man and lit another man on fire over a verbal argument.
Can you see the truth now?
It’s actually “ help US” they are concerned about the school shootings a few days ago
Looks like Police may condone off the area and starve them into submission. 👍👍👍
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Lars Van Den Broek ok whatever your are bot
@@LMvdB02 ok cia bot
@@LMvdB02 Ok boomer
@@LMvdB02facts
Criminal records for ALL of them😆🖐
Thought the thugs wanted either freedom or death. Guess I am wrong.
they ran out of food so they gave up
They are scared of death. They are doing it for CIA money
they wanted to be free from corrupt govt that control by the puppet master winnie the pooh
@@fkmui03 So they wanna be liberated by US and become a country that is home to Asia's ISIS
@@felixyi349 And they are scared of jail
Air pollution in hk will be off the charts if this continues
@@laowai2000 China is a big place, If US and China have the same land size, US would have been the country with more pollution, China have a lot of green tech. I haven't mention the pollution caused by war in other places.
@@laowai2000 war by US
@@harryvenderveer8116 yea China is so green it has 60% coal reliance for energy
It was already bad, this just makes it worse right? By saying "nothing compared to" you are assuming that hk's only source of air pollution now is from the protests so it cannot be compared to the times without protests? Loll
@@harryvenderveer8116 Absolutely rediculous. Do you see Americans protesting and risking their lives?
Vandalism? I want to imagine such an image in the US, what would the US police do to those youth.
The USA - last week police shot a boy in the back of the head for simply running away. Another teen shot for not obeying a police command. How do you think the US Police would deal with HK?
simple, arrest them no need the chaos and violence like this police did !!
If this happened in the us due to the amount of firearms in civilian circulation there would be uncountable deaths on both sides.
sadly it's not happened in US but happened in a country that making a corrupt policy and walk freely without no arrest for the leader !!
In America, they will have ended up in coffins by now
Sorry lost all sympathy the minute a fellow civilian was set on fire
Those rioters enablers should be ashamed!!!
Shame on the parents who did not teach their children what responsibility is.
you must mean protestors wumao.
@@Cballin yeah peaceful protester right 😴 lol! Still supporting terrorists act, I see! And come up with something more creative please! 😘
@@Cballin Are these terrorists who threaten other people's life with arrows and petrol bombs not dangerous rioters?
Well what are the choices
So basically the parents can't discipline their kids at home, and now getting in trouble and arrested outside. And the parents blame the police for arresting their kids...ok
It disgusts me to see others here commenting that basic human rights doesn't matter.
It disgusts me to see people like you defending rioters who use violence to shut people up they don't agree with.
I think in future , no other companies dare to employ staff from Hongkong University & nobody dare to let their kids study in Hongkong University
Government's priority is to stabilize the situation and instill reforms later.
What? Reforms were the deal. Beijing has violated the 1997 agreement.
@@deedonnerramone4757
Absolutely unfactual, baseless fabricated accusation!!
Stop Spreading Lies & create Verbal KARMA for yourself!!
@@deedonnerramone4757 they only made the bill to extradite a guy who killed his girlfriend and fled there
Check the facts man.
Students of polyU. Act like hero. But you're actually a zero. Eventually running away like chicken.
These riots must be sent to the jail! Spending their the rest of life in jail!
the protesters made a mistake by going after the families of the police. is it any surprise that the police have little sympathy for them ?
I just wonder after the mess they created inside campus, will they clean it????????????
Can be a punishment for them after they got arrested. Some jail time, fines along with community service.
Nah
Their parents should bear the responsibility as well, not only the schools, teachers, and certain democratic parties.
2:10 - “they [the government] must have know that it was unconstitutional” (loose translation) in other words u r alleging the government is deliberately enacting measures contrary to the constitution.
Girl, you do realize that the emergency powers have not been struck down entirely right? The emergency powers is still valid to the extent permitted by the basic law art.39 which incorporates the Bill of Rights.
You do realize that the anti-mask legislation was struck down because it was slightly too broad - the court did not preclude the possibility that certain sections of the anti-mask legislation might be constitutional right?
You do realize if it was more narrowly drafted, it might have survived right?
You do realize the court recognized that the anti-mask legislation did have a legitimate aim and was in furtherance of such aim right?
stop demonizing the government and blowing out of proportions with the likely uninformed inferences that you make based off of the reports by mainstream media. It is difficult to say it is obviously, or clearly unconstitutional and you should not smear the government by saying they actively attempted to violate the constitution without more evidence. The judgment is accessible online - go read it for yourself.
It is precisely this type of uninformed, ignorant, and exaggerated statement - by widespread media and the propaganda teams among rioters - that have continuously poisoned the minds of our youth and have engulfed the hong kong landscape in flames.
The government has its wrongs, but it has not done anything to deliberately harm citizens. The unfortunate violence inflicted by a limited number of police (you must bear in mind that there are about 30,000 police officers in hong kong) is but an unfortunate incident to the carrying out of their duties to protect citizens. It is not acceptable but does not vitiate the fact that their purpose is to protect other citizens and maintain law and order. And they have been more than restrained - oftentimes holding their ground and just waiting for the rioters to disperse. Dont show me stock photos deliberately capturing the single moment in time when a gun might have been pointed at a rioter. Look at the totality of the footage - the hours and hours of footage of police just standing their holding the line and waiting for rioters to disperse.
Conversely, these rioters are deliberately inflicting harm on the police, deliberately causing destruction to public and private property and sometimes going so far as to beat up people with different opinions from themselves. Stopping mtrs, disrupting traffic in extremely dangerous ways (e.g. no. 2 bridge at cuhk; cross harbour tunnel), blocking access to hospital in kowloon tong, the list goes on and on. How will these actions further your obtaining of the 5 demands? I see no rational connection. I only see rioters expensing their own irrational behavior on the livelihoods and safety of fellow hong kong citizens - did you consider their safety, their opinions - they never said they wanted to sacrifice for your cause. You rioters usurped their will and their voice. Further, I only see the provoking of the hong kong government and the chinese government to take a harder, more brutal stance and the extinguishment of all hopes that the one country, two system will continue past 2047.
I dont know if the hong kong government or the chinese government will suppress and harm society in the future - but i do know, that these rioters have harmed society - physically and emotionally - already, have indirectly kicked out mainland residents residing in hong kong, beat up fellow citizens simply because of differing views.
I can only conclude that, i did not know that democracy meant only having one group of people with same or similar opinions and that everyone else with differing opinions should either “go back to china” or immigrate elsewhere, but if this is truly what the rioters envision democracy and freedom to look like - i dont want it.
deminimus Agreed!
More like the Chinese Wall created a breed of new consumers of media, one that believes being caged is more real than free.
peaceful protesters peacefully set a man on fire and peacefully set campus on fire with their love and under the name of democracy.
You need to keep a clear mind when everyone around you has gone crazy. - a message to the protestors.
Students from top university to non-hire-able except as day laborer lol. I guess they now know the consequences
kira yamato black stamp on their records! Criminal record! Well done!! Self inflicted!! 🙄
They know bricks, they can lay it in construction. They will have to rebuild the city since they destroyed it.
Totally parent failure your children need to bear responsibility
I have been following the happenings of the protest in Hong Kong only for a few days and have to tell you, young people, that I admire you! You are strong, brave and your group is so organized! You are smart enough to know what's at stake: the autonomy of your country.
Although it’s 2019, the world is full of fear, anxiety, control, and violence. No government or country has the right to limit or disregard the self-determination of its people. Every person/nation has the right to make decisions. Anyone who limits this - whether it is a private individual or a government -, commits an abuse which is a sin and a crime at the same time.
You, university students only lifted up your voice against the arbitrary repression of the police and China. You protested peacefully and held on for so long. When the government tried to manage the conflict by main force, trespassed to terrorize protesters, you stood up for yourself, for your country and for all the deprived people in the world.
The government which uses force acts from fear. You are too young to experience war but you were willing to take risks so Hong Kong and the next generations will be proud of you! Whatever happens, you are already winners in my eyes. You embody the hope for the future! Thank all of you for showing not only Hong Kong, China but also the world how we have to stand up for ourselves if a government acts like we hadn’t any human rights at all!
I sympathize with people from Hong Kong! I wish they were united again - with all their generations!
Those parents think that they are not responsible? No wonder those teenagers think in the same way!
Interview all the parents of the kids who were shot.
These kids were interviewed sometime ago that they were lying to go to a football practice.
SB WUMAO, inferior communist tards, go fck urselves ,fck ur lying as name and photo
Yeah, it's pretty hilarious how hard they're trying.
Agree same as the leader who lying to withdraw the corrupt policy and law !!
First time I've seen the South China Morning Post call the protesters "radicals." That's a big change
2:47, totally excuse. It is like since my child is so young, it is reasonable to see him throw petrol bomb and set fire to an elder who just has different point of view!
Typical mindset of HK "Monster parent"
These parents cant control their children and now pleading for mercy? How about that man they burnt, did they endow him with mercy? The rest of his life he may not be able to make a living to support his family. Are you parents going to support him and his family for the rest of his life? Not knowing how to re-act to the situation? They are the ones who started the chaos - throwing petrol bombs at the police when the police were just standing with the least protection, swallowing all the foul language insults from your children from the very beginning. These rioters escalated their attacks on the police and civilians first. So now the police is brutal and wrong to escalate their arrests? You should question those 2 million people who supported your children to do all these!!!
What a beautiful scene! It is better than watching a war movie!
This is not a movie, more like a show because it got many episodes.
The parents can"t blame police because they fails to teach theirs childs.
@@Evan250xxx Why.... ? Must be some reason to arrest this woman, they are not crazy and a lot of work.
Arrest their parent instead
Stop making excuses for your children. They are too young. 18+ is call young? They are adults and should able to face the repercussions of their actions. If they cannot distinguish between right and wrong, then it is also the parents fault for not educating them at home. I was working at 15 and have been contributing to the society and well-being of my family. Why cant these protestors do something more constructive like this? These people are truly brainwashed
Make their parents pay for all the damages caused by them.
In Hongkong : We must protest to goverment
In Aceh (Indonesia) : Put You Ak-47 Now!!
The riots need to pay back. What they did to other ppl is not acceptable. Well done HK gov.
why didn't it have caption saying that over a hundred under 18 kids were released unconditionally accompanied by high school principals? Again doesn't fit their narrative?
I don't think HK has enough jail space for all of them though
They do have cage homes tho, I suggest house arrest :D
Push them to mainland
House arrest do save money for the government, not for the guilty one tho.
LOL. Plenty of space in XinJiang, perfect for several years of patriotic educations they really need.
People walking:
Protestors and Police: Lets Play Pubg in the streets
It's funny how they act as if they were the victims. Very funny
Now you regret it? It's too late
There is always a choice HK students... They need to accept the responsibility of their choices, why are they crying about their choices? They are the ones who chose to do this, they are the ones who treated everyone this badly. "Simple" demands... They simply want a get out of jail free card. Universities need to teach humility to these kids.
Parents are saying, protesters doesn't know how to deal with this situation
Then why you people let them to protesting against law and order.
They thought about their childs safety while the time they cornered by police
Do you Thought it's a simple action to destroy Hongkong's harmony by throwing bombs and bricks
Honestly how do we know if those are actually students? Didn't the headmaster came and said most are not? Thugs pretending to be students?
They pretended to be doctor, accountant, banker, lawyer etc
In most of these cases, they are not students. I wish we all understand though, that these are rioters. They are not part of the protesters. Rioters destroy.
@@meganod279 I have absolutely no problem with the whole peaceful protest, but once it got hijacked to this violent bs! I know it is over for them!
@@uskiii8820
I also support this. That's why rioters should be eradicated so that the peaceful protests take place.
Before you fight for your so called freedom, learn how to be a responsible person first.
PolyU student: I am very scare very scare, come I’ll throw a bomb or fire arrows at you because i am scare
Most of them don't even attend that school...
I don't think 18 year olds entering university i.e. "big boy school" isn't "too young" lady..... They can think and talk in a humanely manner. And you treat them as if they're babies still 😂😂😂
I feel calling them, "radicals" , is too ideologically skewed in using such a term. Whereas, very arguably they could be identified more accurately as merely defiant young, impassioned protesters so furious at all the previous disproportionate police abuse of force and seemingly rogue, unlawful state. These students have a rightful motive in defending a timely pathway towards a legitimate 2-system relationship with Mainland.
They are naturally angry at the delays, perceived stalling tactics, excuses given for needing continued crackdowns and surely the apparent hints of a 1-system rule of law being the preconceived agenda .
Hence, a Vicious cycle?? Very sadly the totally unnecessary chaotic standoff whereby a credible, fair concession process implemented months ago would have most likely yes, preempted all of this viciousness!
Peace and love to Hong Kong ✌
Finally someone in this comment section who is smart and empathetic.
How to be a regular citizen/contributor to society:
1. Graduate from hs/college
2. Find a job
3. Feed/support family
4. Pay taxes
5. Hang out with friends
Apparently majority of them dont know what comes after 1
I'll be generous to offer CCP a decent solution to the ongoing HK mess (Y'all welcome) :
*Macau declares general election* while HK won't get it until justice, national security & order is restored.
That's it. Now leaving everyone to a satisfied position. And HK learned a lesson as well.
No, this wont work. The rioters want no democracy, they want independence.
Enter PolyU, save the students? Dude, they are the one who barricaded themselves... they prepared the fight and war. What are you talking about..
Fire arrows like Robin Hood.
Flee like cockroach.
Dehumanizing a group of people is the psychology behind heinous war crimes and sociopathic killers.
Des Chan. 😂😂😂 i think we all knew from the beginning that was gonna happen.. The empty can rattles the most.
Put them all in Prison.
You should be put in prison for using android
@@machonakedcarp6668 Your father and mother uses android, put them all in prison.
It's all very emotional but law is law. You are old enough to break it then you are old enough to be held responsible.
Last time I checked the min. age for criminal responsibility in HK is 7. (7-14 generally considered incapable to commit crime unless proven beyond reasonable doubt).
They all look older than 7 to me.
guess what judge Dredd would do ...
Some people claim that this proves that "one country, two systems" is a failure.
But don't forget, this thing has been going on for half a year. The riots only occurred in Hong Kong and did not spread to other cities. Shenzhen is close to Hong Kong, and people's lives are as usual.
In my opinion, this only proves that Hong Kong people have a poor ability to govern themselves. The "one country, two systems" function as a firewall, so that their failure can not drag more people into the water.
Utter bs
One system descends into chaos while the other remains humming along proves one country two systems does not work. For that to work, both systems need to work. Two diametrically opposed systems cannot work under one country with a unified sense of one people.
How many of them wrote letters ready to die??? Could anyone remind me the number?
What they want is not simple. Lol
Disintegration will never be an option for any country out there you could ask.....
@PatG when you have the mainland china that also need to be dealt with then it's not simple.
@PatG when your country literally belongs to China, you think changing it will have any difference?
@@ChewK000 HK is not China, no one from HK identifies as Chinese, the only reason they are under Chinese rule is because Great Britain had to return the land, nothing more, nothing less.
@Shawn Li It's not against the law to protest, the only reason people are in arms is because the police is repressing what once was and still is in some parts peaceful protest.
People have the right to be upset if they can't show their discontent with the government for risk of getting jailed.
The whole world has alots of respect for the student of Hong Kong...Fight for what u beleive in...You guys are hero
You know, the real irony here, is that if I had a girlfriend, and she wanted to leave me, and although I forced her to stay for decades, at the end of the day when she's literally punching me, kicking me, cursing me, hitting me with bricks and throwing firebombs at me... I think common sense would eventually kick-in, and I'd let her go...
Totally analogy to use, shows you don’t understand the situation. A more suitable analogy would be you and your mother. Would you break relationship if you had an argument?
what if part of your girlfriend wants to leave to move in with a richer guy but the other part still in love with u and wants to stay ? lol
@@Vermilion2049 ...and clearly you live in mainland China and are brainwashed by state TV news. No, lol I clearly understand the situation, but thank you for the laugh!
@@yangyangpeng5279 LOL now there's some real conflict. I'd totally go see that movie :)
Nono, that’s not it. The story should be, your girlfriend wants to throw you out of your house so she can let in her new lover. And I am sure you rather to be a homeless.
cry as might as you can, for this is a very valuable and costly lesson that even the university can't teach you. everything has consequences.
if those parents don't want their kids to suffer more, they should've been in the front lines calling out to their children to stop. that's how you show responsibility as a parent.
Bravo, fighters! All I can do is to pray and watching via youtube and eating snacks and laughing out loud. Go on!
#FREE TIBET
NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW. I don't care what you are fighting for. There's other ways to go about it but destroying your city is not one of them. I hope every rioter that trashed this beautiful city HK goes to jail.
@Der Kafkaeske I don't care who, it doesn't justify breaking the law. Be better than that, the HK people should stand together in unity against these people instead of taking the anger out of people who don't share the same interest with them.
Continued prayers for Hong Kong.