How To Manage Timber For Wildlife TSI
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- Опубликовано: 10 апр 2020
- Managing your timber for wildlife and managing your timber for money, require 2 very different sets of timber management practices. The amount of wildlife that you can grow within your deer habitat can explode, if you buck traditional forestry practices on your small parcel. Don't fall victim to the whims of Timber Stand Improvement practices that can destroy the true wildlife potential on your land. Here are the basics for making sure that the logging and timber activities on your land are headed in the right direction for not only improving your deer habitat, but for significantly improving the wildlife numbers ASAP. Welcome to Whitetail TSI...
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Girdling is an effective method for some wildlife... just not deer. For example, downey woodpeckers require a certain basal area and certain number of dead standing trees per acre. Woodpeckers create cavities that are important nesting areas for other species. This video should be titled "How to Manage Timber for Deer TSI"
We have 60 acres in central/southern Illinois. Getting ready to “selectively” harvest the trees. Thanks for info. Going heavier on harvest makes more sense rather than cutting every 7-10 yrs. Everything you’ve said about Illinois is spot on.
In this video you talked about making another on turning ag land into wildlife habitat in a hurry that would great as I have that here in central MN. love your videos thanks for making them available to all of us!
Looks cool on TV!!! Solid points. That’s where my dad gets all his ideas and they all pretty much being fads especially the horizontal rubs or the “tree coy”
Girdling is so 1970s . They are creating a dangerous tree . I’d rather cut it down! Good stuff Jeff.
Amen to that! Can really create a dangerous woods! So many better ways...
Really great comments. In WI we pay for the forester to write up a plan, therefore you have complete control. The most important aspect is as you said emphasize to him that your goal is to develop a WILDLIFE PLAN. Remember you are the customer and you own the land, you have to write a plan that MEETS YOUR NEEDS!!!!!!!!!!
Great video! Truly appreciate all of the useful content that you put out there. In my area, a lot of landowners with wooded acreage (myself included) are dealing with the buckthorn menace. Wondering if you've considered doing a piece on invasive species and how they impact deer habitat? Thanks, again, really enjoy the channel.
Yes! Good point about popple and girdling. We have a lot of bigtooth aspen here, often in old mining properties since it is a pioneer species. Once it matures, it should be cut. We usually cut ALL of it as that will stimulate root suckering. It is pulpwood and doesn't fetch much $$ but its great to cut it and it generates browse and cover for deer and grouse.
Girdling is real bad...state forestry used to push it. Some trees live a long time girdled and you have a bunch of ugly half dead trees all over with no regen. You need a lot of light to the forest floor to create regeneration - 40-50 sq ft of basal area maximum to regenerate shade intolerant species of plants
Great info again. I have the land in northland area of the u .p. YOUR 100% right on the forestry. Lots of owners here had the bud worm come in. I had my land cruised cost me 200 bucks to give me rough guess on money part of it, also put in forest management puts a freeze on school tax 18 mills is huge help.My cutting is all done for 30yrs. The regen that comes back is amazing first the aspen then 5 to 10 yrs the spruce,balsum and pine come second. I left all tops and some snags for woodpeckers plus i plant white ceader,black ,white spruce and balm were I want the pockets and hazel nut with red dogwood that I already have there the animals love it pats,woodcock.snowshoes.cottentails,squirls deer. bear , mice and snakes but so do the wolves . I also have five food plots carved out mostly clover,rye,oats and beets I hope this helps some of your viewers. Its lots of work but great rewards if your smart about it and u can recover 2 thirds maybe little more or less of property cost with the timber sale just do your home work and pick the right logger.
Thanks for the time you put in!!
Jeff,
I really enjoyed this video. While you often talk about timber harvesting, this seems to be your most in depth video to date. I'm wondering if you could do a video focusing on the small parcel timber management (10-80 acres) and how that may differ. Additionally, if you could go into more depth on tops and debris (you brushed on it in this video, but that's a topic that plagues a lot of land owners). For areas that need more brush/depth of cover, are there species of shrubs you'd suggest planting, or just allow the regrowth to happen? I appreciate your dedication to the "everyman" hunter and land manager. The habitat management is becoming as fun as the hunting, and I couldn't imagine one without the other.
excellent!! thanks Jeff. just had 2 weeks off due to covid19. we made tremendous progress at my land implementing all your knowledge. completly changed how i look at my land
Man well not good at being off for this stuff but that is awesome! Love to hear that ☺️ Bet you will have a great year!
This is crazy, I’ve always loved your channel and I’ve learned so much from here. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I only live 45 min away from your business. I’m 14 and I’m sorta getting the hang of this whole whitetail thing and I’m putting in my first food plot this spring. I’m having trouble figuring out deer movement though and what I can do to create a better herd on my land. Any help or client slots??
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Great video, I am in the process of buying 55 acres for a hunting camp here in Maine. You get a large tax break if the land is in tree growth management. The property I am buying is in Tree growth. The people who owned it have it in it. To get out of tree growth means you have to pay back all the back taxes from years you did'nt even own the land which is crazy and UN-affordable. So I want this land to help the animals especially the fall and winter yet still stay within the guidelines of tree growth. It seems to be a very hard task. Thanks for the video. God Bless and Good Hunting! Maine North Woods Hunter (Shane)
Why is it you argue against what some wildlife biologists say to do.... Then make more sense than them haha, I use all knowledge from all sources but you, Jeff, are my favorite. Thanks again buddy!!
Ha, well I really appreciate it Travis...really thank YOU. You are very welcome and I hope you and your family have a Happy Easter!
Unfortunately you can't learn this stuff in a classroom ☺️
Great video…this comes at just the right time for me. I have 100 acres of timber in central pa that needs to be harvested and I am agonizing over how to have it cut properly for best deer habitat. The foresters I have consulted are all working on a percentage of the timber sale. Do you have any suggestions for how to find the right forester to manage my property?
Thank you, again!
Great video... Very helpful. We recently acquired some property that includes 160 acres of timber in southwest Iowa. I am so cautious to make changes because the long-term impact is so much greater than developing AG/pasture. Would love to hire you come and help us draw up a plan. :-)
Jeff great video. I watch many of your videos. However, my land is 560 acres in Oklahoma. I have a hard time trying to figure out how some of this applies to me. Which types of trees are important to me in Oklahoma?
When should someone clear cut vs. hinge cut? Would you possibly be able to create another video this winter similar to your food plot videos where you show how you are doing this step for step to improve bedding areas in and example of wooded areas?
What an awesome video.
Thank you very much...really hope that it helps some folks!
I have a big popple stand, it's pretty thick, it could used some thinning out. Pretty thick meaning fairly good canopy. over time some fell and there are sections with lot's of ground cover. Do you suggest just dropping a few and leaving em lay to get more light in there in certain areas or pick and choose through out? when i say big stand, the island is about 400 yards long, 120 wide.
Happy EASTER to you and family!!!
Happy Easter to you and the family too Tex! Have a great weekend ☺️
Amazing clip!
How do you feel about girdling smaller trees that are choking out multiple apple trees but by girdling you could in a way still keep the invasive tree in for more cover?
Jeff,
What are your thoughts on yellow and tulip poplar? My observations have been a lower preferred browse when they are young and crowd out better browse. Sometimes not being browsed at all. Thoughts?
First comment awesome video.
Thank you and congrats 😁
I noticed the deer stripping the bark for food from young “invasive” honey locust trees this winter in our timber. Is that normal? Does it mean they were undernourished? Or is it a preferred food source?
Hello Jeff. I have 300 acres in southern WV. This is steep mountain country. I had the state forester prepare a timber management plan. It call for select harvest in 10 years of the whole property. There is no ag in this area. Would I be better dividing the property in thirds and harvest each section years apart rather than all at once? Thank you.
I live in the southern Appalachians. We have so much mountain Laurel that deer can bed any where. Any suggestions on how to hunt it. Thanks
As a college, educated forester/logger, excellent sound advice!
Thank you very much!
Happy Easter to you and the family hope I can get up there to apply simizine to the potential switchgrass that I frost seeded end of February before green up as you know New York sought of in a lock down situation oh well what could ya do
Hi Paul...we are in lockdown too, try to stop me ☺️ You can get a really good glyphosate/2-4D spraying late April early May too 👍 Hope you safe and healthy my friend and HAPPY EASTER to you guys!
Whitetail Habitat Solutions correct me if I’m wrong but 2-4d is to be applied only to switchgrass not food area but glyphs can be
Great video, I have a lot of mature beech and beech regeneration on my property the deer do not seem to browse it all. Am I missing something? Most of the ground level cover is beech, red oak, hemlock. Western foot hills of Maine 700 to 850 feet elevation.
Thanks in advance, Dan
Deer do not browse beech. They do eat beech nuts. The issue is that the beech have a natural cycle called "masting" meaning that they only produce nuts every 3 to 4 years. So beech have their place as a wildlife species, but they are not ideal since they are not a reliable source of food. If other properties near yours have a lot of beech too, then there is no reason for the deer to go to your property if it is a good nut producing year. So as he says in the video, diversity is important.
I would love to know your thoughts on girdling thorny locus and headge thickets.
I have acres of it.
It’s a desert underneath.
What is a good number of doe for 50 acres? You are coming to my property in July but I’m wondering if I should plant a summer plot. Thanks Jeff looking forward to July
@8:40 the point is that poplar/aspen/soft maple/box elder might be good food sources for wildlife, and killing all of them can create a risk of monoculture of hardwoods. the problem is not girdling per se, except that it makes dead trees that can fall on crops or trails. wildlife should not care much about dead standing trees; in fact, small wildlife like squirrels and some birds should like them.
Jeff, wondering how many of the silver maple seeds we broad cast on your thumb ptoperty actually germinated.I get literally thousands that sprout in my garden every year!!
Man I am wondering!? I literally have only been by there a handful of times since then...
Good memories ☺️
Jeff,
I have a 100 acre block of hardwood on my 200 acres in Ohio. The prominent species is cherry. Is cherry good for hinge cutting or should I consider having it harvested? I've been in contact with Diane to try schedule you.
I used to have hunting land in Cass City too, right by the cemetery in town. Also, a large tree is girdled every 10 acres or so for woodpeckers. I wouldn’t do that to Popple like you said.
That’s awesome. I work at the cemetery in Cass City and have for years. Grew up just out of town.
Can't wait to see you soon Andrew!
Also I love that practice of girdling a large tree for woodpeckers every 10 acres!
Whitetail Habitat Solutions Thanks Jeff. I’m fired up about meeting you.
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is ther any way to get someone to log off state land? A 40 of aspen and balsam last logged in 1976… 44 years old timber stand right next to my private land… ?
Another great video! I've learned alot over the last year watching your videos! Just wondering what's the best way to contact you about hiring you? Tried multiple times emailing and calling with no results. I realize you are booked for 2020, was wondering about scheduleing something for 2021. I am local, my property is in vernon co.
Seems to be a common theme.
Jeff - We need the "Ag is not wildlife" video next. Thanks
girdling was a poor practice that is not done much anymore around here. We usually cut all of the mature aspen in a stand to make sunlight for oaks and it forces the aspen to sprout from the root and create wildlife food and cover. Tree tubes dont work well either for a variety of reasons, though I use them to protect seedlings that are naturally regenerated but can't survive deer browsing. The cost/benefit doesnt make it a good ROI but makes you feel better when trees make it above browse height
Hey Jeff, I read your red book. I liked it a lot and learned a lot too. Which book do you recommend to read after that book? Have a good weekend and Easter!
Hi Wes thanks a lot! I would go with the free book next...the food plot book 👍 If you aren't planting food plots I would jump to the blue book, "All Weather Whitetails".
Happy Easter to you and your family!
Ok Thanks Jeff. We are planning to plant food plots this year so I will get right on to reading the food plot book. Thank you!
Jeff, would like to thank you for the info you pass on to all of us that love hunting and being outdoors in God’s creation. I’m 77 years young and looking to buy my 4th hunting land and would love it if you would show your books and a review of each and a good place to buy them.
@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751 free book?? I would Love that!!
After watching this video, I was out hunting at a spot where a bunch of pines fell over during high winds. Can anyone guess what happened?
Well, a beautiful 8 point came in, after I grunted. He literally bedded down 15 yards in front of me and stayed there for over a hour. I would have taken the shot but I have pics of a few bucks way bigger than him.
Jeff why would a WMA in Kentucky be doing this I thought they were for wildlife
What are your thoughts on saddle hunting? Thanks
Hi Cooper I can see a case for them in some really limited hunting situations, but not typically. From what I see within online demonstrations and in person...far too much movement required for most general, serious small parcel mature buck hunting situations. Also very limiting shot window opportunity and too much set up at base of tree. More of a fad, but decent application for a small portion of run and gun public land setups.
My place is being taken over by sweet gum trees.
Should i try to get rid of them?
Thin them out?
Or just let them grow?
Man destroy those sweet gums. I have seen places where their worse than autumn olive. As long as it’s not providing your only dense cover!
@@stevoky thanks steve
Theres a rumor that the crew wont let u run a saw ?
“Pay attention to your poop.” 😂
Great info again. Girdle a tree and possibly be killed by that tree on a windy day years later. Horrible idea.
Sounds like lazy loggers.Happy Easter too you and your family.Stay safe.
Lazy foresters, not loggers. Lol. I do both. Loggers don't typically do the girdling nor the hack and squirt nor any type of invasive species control. The loggers usually just want to cut the trees, regardless of good or bad practice. But a lot of foresters have very little chainsaw experience, so these methods a lot of times are their safe way out. Either way, ya have to be careful with both and make sure that they have your goals and your best interest in mind with the plan they write. Have a great day.
@@shawnb789 True..Mostly comes down to how much money can be made.Hoe are the prices on timber now??
@@dswish1730 white oak still good, red oak is way down. Walnut is changing daily . Depends on quality, location and soil content also though. Usually walnut starts going down this time of year and back up in November. At least, that's what ive experienced. I'm sure it varies throughout the country though.
Could you please explain the term "boards per foot" I'm not familiar with the term. Thanks!
Board feet is an estimation of the amount of lumber that can be obtained from a tree when a saw log from that tree is processed at a sawmill. Jeff's point is you need to decide whether you want to optimize wildlife or future saw log production.
I probably hunt your old parcel lol I’m off severance right by the river
My timber quality is for crap, but I have bucks coming out the wazoo!
I paid a private forester to write up a plan. His plan was ok. We entered into Wisconsin's MFLC plan. Then the state forester came out and told me I need to slaughter the herd, based on his 30 minute walk looking at overbrowsing. Well duh, the deer winter here, they're going to browse everything in sight. But you can't convince him that he's not seeing the whole picture. It's all about stems per acre and board feet. He's obviously a deer-hater but a logging industry lover. With his mandated planting of 9,000 conifers basically changing 2/3 of our diverse property into a friggin tree farm, we've decided to vacate the state's program before the end of year 1. Good riddance. Less stress in paying the higher taxes honestly.
I wouldn't worry about it too much this year. Governor won't let anyone drive up North and will probably cancel hunting.