Yep, The regeneration 2-3 years post cut softens the appearance of the initial clear cut. It’s amazing the response your understory species give you. This habitat niche is severely needed in the driftless region.
Awesome, Guys! Would appreciate more information on the cost of these types of projects - what can a landowner expect regarding price for tubes, seedlings, etc. Thanks!
I bought 97 acres recently and the guy had timbered it really heavy then tried to sell it at a price that would require $500-1000 an acre of timber to justify. I was excited as I knew over 8 months no one even toured it. I wrote up a report and showed comps and came up with a price that was 70k under asking. I then came up 5k and got it. These guys in NW PA are notorious for this. Cut everything with even a bit of worth then ask for a price commiserate with mixed forest timberland.
Can you please make a video about selecting the right logger to work with? And how not to get taken advantage of? I am in the process of logging or hiring someone to do it and as a new land owner, I am quite skeptical of how to play the game. A step by step explanation would be great!
Logging is definitely a business that made a lot of money off of innocent people...but finding the right one isn't easy...I have lost jobs to guys that promised the landowner more money or money up front and then proceeded to wreck the guys land and he hardly got any money...don't get me wrong I know logging isn't always pretty but if the guy cutting cares about more than the tree he is cutting it makes a huge difference
Go to your local NRCS/FSA office and ask for a forester to come out and complete a forest management plan for you. They will help you figure out your goals and objectives and they usually have a vender list for companies that do good work for wildlife minded landowners.
I have cut timber . Interview some loggers that may be the state forester recommended. Let your consultant cruise the timber and give you a breakdown of tree species and board feet. He will tell you about what it's work at that time. Then put it out for bid. Get bids back and if you like one talk to your consultant and get the terms down. Do not do this 50 50 stuff Get all your money up front before s tree is cut. Btw your consultant will take a percentage of the gross say 10 percent.
Public land around here has been logged and stripe mined for generations! There’s very few places here in Harlan county Kentucky that’s been left untouched. Whitetail hunting around here is rough terrain and mountains that are thick and steep! Log roads and four wheeler trails everywhere. Then on top of all that there’s zero agricultural land here. Loggers have removed all the trees that pay the best and those trees are the trees that support our deer for a big portion of the year!
The State I'm in their Forester that I first used (because it was free) told me that the State would want me to completely remove every tree (clear cut) so every future tree would be the same size and I should then kill every softwood tree that started to grow to ensure there would only be hardwood trees. The reason the state wanted this is because statewide there's too many softwood trees and not enough hardwood trees. I obviously didn't follow the state's recommendation and did a selective harvest instead.
Looking up local auction results from your state dnr, county land department, or USFS auctions should get you in ball park. 130 trees is a small volume so keep in mind stumpage varies based on many factors such as size of sale, access to sale area, quaility of wood, local markets etc etc
I bought 120 acres of trees some time ago as an investment. My portfolio of investments was lacking in natural resources regarding timber and wood and in real-estate. I have multiple other properties I have permission on or lease closer to home to hunt. I have bow hunted these 120 acres and have guided my relatives hunting this property, but its main purpose was an investment. I recently had it selectively timbered and hired an independent forester to help me manage this process. Selling the timber brought in 160% of the amount I paid for the land. This land is not suitable for farming nor ranching as it's full of hollers and mountainous hills and ridges part of Appalachia. The logger made numerous skid paths that we are seeding with clovers and alfalfa as there are no food plots on this land which is surrounded on three sides by 1200 acres of National Forest. There is no agriculture nearby only some small grazing fields for sheep. I believe only hunters would be interested in buying this property in the future and typically, in this area they only buy 40 acres as that's what they can afford. These 120 acres have been surveyed and property lined into three 40-acre parcels. I'm not quite sure what else I should do now to increase it's value say 5 years from now. Any advice would be appreciated.
Maybe legally partition to those 40acre lots and ensure good documented easements are setup? Sounds like you have done a good job. Someone will want them for hunting and timber…
Love this stuff with Bill! Keep em’ coming!
More to come! Thanks for watching!
Look forward to seeing these videos every week guys. Would love more videos on TSI and tree planting. Thank you
Yep, The regeneration 2-3 years post cut softens the appearance of the initial clear cut. It’s amazing the response your understory species give you. This habitat niche is severely needed in the driftless region.
Ever see a bf in the driftless?
These are awesome! Keep them coming!!!
Awesome, Guys! Would appreciate more information on the cost of these types of projects - what can a landowner expect regarding price for tubes, seedlings, etc. Thanks!
I bought 97 acres recently and the guy had timbered it really heavy then tried to sell it at a price that would require $500-1000 an acre of timber to justify. I was excited as I knew over 8 months no one even toured it. I wrote up a report and showed comps and came up with a price that was 70k under asking. I then came up 5k and got it. These guys in NW PA are notorious for this. Cut everything with even a bit of worth then ask for a price commiserate with mixed forest timberland.
Would love to see more about how to plant these trees
Thanks for watching! We will try to incorporate more of this topic into future videos!
Can you please make a video about selecting the right logger to work with? And how not to get taken advantage of? I am in the process of logging or hiring someone to do it and as a new land owner, I am quite skeptical of how to play the game. A step by step explanation would be great!
I'm no expert, but hiring a Forrester can help make sure you aren't taken advantage of, and that the loggers follow your TSI plan.
Logging is definitely a business that made a lot of money off of innocent people...but finding the right one isn't easy...I have lost jobs to guys that promised the landowner more money or money up front and then proceeded to wreck the guys land and he hardly got any money...don't get me wrong I know logging isn't always pretty but if the guy cutting cares about more than the tree he is cutting it makes a huge difference
Go to your local NRCS/FSA office and ask for a forester to come out and complete a forest management plan for you. They will help you figure out your goals and objectives and they usually have a vender list for companies that do good work for wildlife minded landowners.
What state
I have cut timber .
Interview some loggers that may be the state forester recommended.
Let your consultant cruise the timber and give you a breakdown of tree species and board feet.
He will tell you about what it's work at that time.
Then put it out for bid.
Get bids back and if you like one talk to your consultant and get the terms down.
Do not do this 50 50 stuff
Get all your money up front before s tree is cut.
Btw your consultant will take a percentage of the gross say 10 percent.
Public land around here has been logged and stripe mined for generations! There’s very few places here in Harlan county Kentucky that’s been left untouched. Whitetail hunting around here is rough terrain and mountains that are thick and steep! Log roads and four wheeler trails everywhere. Then on top of all that there’s zero agricultural land here. Loggers have removed all the trees that pay the best and those trees are the trees that support our deer for a big portion of the year!
The State I'm in their Forester that I first used (because it was free) told me that the State would want me to completely remove every tree (clear cut) so every future tree would be the same size and I should then kill every softwood tree that started to grow to ensure there would only be hardwood trees. The reason the state wanted this is because statewide there's too many softwood trees and not enough hardwood trees. I obviously didn't follow the state's recommendation and did a selective harvest instead.
What king of tree's are in the tube?
Jacob had mostly oaks in the tubes. White, red, bur and a few chestnut trees.
Anyone know what a 24 inch red oak log pays to the landowner ( me ) ? I've got land in upper michigan with approximately 130 red Oaks that size-
Looking up local auction results from your state dnr, county land department, or USFS auctions should get you in ball park. 130 trees is a small volume so keep in mind stumpage varies based on many factors such as size of sale, access to sale area, quaility of wood, local markets etc etc
I got $600 a tree in summer of 2016. ALLEGAN County
I bought 120 acres of trees some time ago as an investment. My portfolio of investments was lacking in natural resources regarding timber and wood and in real-estate. I have multiple other properties I have permission on or lease closer to home to hunt. I have bow hunted these 120 acres and have guided my relatives hunting this property, but its main purpose was an investment. I recently had it selectively timbered and hired an independent forester to help me manage this process. Selling the timber brought in 160% of the amount I paid for the land. This land is not suitable for farming nor ranching as it's full of hollers and mountainous hills and ridges part of Appalachia. The logger made numerous skid paths that we are seeding with clovers and alfalfa as there are no food plots on this land which is surrounded on three sides by 1200 acres of National Forest. There is no agriculture nearby only some small grazing fields for sheep. I believe only hunters would be interested in buying this property in the future and typically, in this area they only buy 40 acres as that's what they can afford. These 120 acres have been surveyed and property lined into three 40-acre parcels. I'm not quite sure what else I should do now to increase it's value say 5 years from now. Any advice would be appreciated.
Maybe legally partition to those 40acre lots and ensure good documented easements are setup? Sounds like you have done a good job. Someone will want them for hunting and timber…