Pro tip: starting with Invite Foreign Investors first is huge for the economy, giving 2 offmap civs literally doubling the PRCs starting industry. Its only 70 days and helps out tremendously getting in the early game. I tried it one time and did a world conquest in 1948, demanding Mongolia and with the help of Germany it was really easy to defeat the USSR, then having military access to the Allies, I order 66d them, and then the Axis. Also picking Liu Shaoqi (the Silent Workhorse) at the very beginning is also really helpful, though after assigning the laws, advisors and military high command, PRC has not much to spend pp on, so its optional. I preferred Grand Battleplan for the PRC since it gives really good supply bonuses as well as unlocking Theatre training, making it much easier to get Adaptable on Lin Biao. I also just teamed up with the nationalists and defeated Japan first, then using the Infiltration mechanics, declared on China suddenly and the war was over really quickly. Maybe it takes longer this way to get the achievement but I found it to be really easy, and also fun at the same time (I focused on FeedBackGaming's new space marines template).
Adding to this, I think manually justifying from the start really gets you going a lot quicker. Just spam out low strength divisions, pin and hold. Easily unify the north before 1937.
Did they ever fix the infiltration mechanics? I always ignored them because it was a huge PP sink and every time I tried it China dismantles my cells faster than I can make them.
@@atlantiswolfif I remember last time I tried, they could only downgrade 2 levels at a time, so I could more or less easily maintain max infiltration in two states
Actually by the time the armies arrived to Yan'An after suffering through a series of encirclement campaigns, they had already left most of if not all artillery during the Long March. Not wanting to flame, just wanted to educate people on the historical conditions that led to the lack of artillery.
By that time the Communists could barely afford the factories to make guns. They couldn't afford to make artillery. Game is not so historical@@guitch14
It's crazy how good at this game you are dude. I find the learning curve really challenging as I don't really have the time to dedicate to it to get good to the point where playing is just fun and not simultaneously a massive exertion of will and brainpower, but your videos make it so I can have a fighting chance, know why certain decisions get made, and actually enjoy playing. Even if I don't do the same things you do because I want to try something different for immersion or other reasons, at least now I know what's possible and why I might make one choice versus another. Idrc about achievements so with Communist China for example I might try to follow a strictly historical path (with deviations to account for the natural unpredictability of playthroughs even on historical) and not immediately rush all my neighbors, but just from the start of your video I know what production and focuses to prioritize, etc. Another example: I love playing as the USSR because I love doing the communist thing, but getting invaded by Hitler is hella scary and stressful when you're not actually that good at the game, but your No Step Back video really helps give me a fighting chance (even though I'm taking many steps back lol. Then again, if Stalin, one of the greatest military leaders of all time, had to retreat all the way to Stalingrad, then I won't feel bad that the g*rmans pushed me out of Poland. But that's neither here nor there. Thanks for your excellent guides!
Had a blast doing this. The war dragged on for me until 1946 to defeat the axis and then finally 1947 to get a foothold on Japan and end the war. I ended up joining the Comintern after China was defeated and got guaranteed by the Soviet’s which stopped Japan from invading me. I then went down the focus to trigger Japan invading me which dragged the soviets into a 2 front war against Japan and the Germans. Helped the soviets survive Germany and they helped eliminate what was left of Japan on the mainland. I realized I didn’t prepare a way to invade the japanese island and had to slowly build up to get there. In the meantime, I turned my attention to slowing down the Germans from steam rolling into Moscow because the soviets committed quite a few troops and air power to help us with Japan. A few years in and after a couple of failed paratroop invasions, we finally had a big enough navy to launch a lucky naval invasion, snapping up a port and funneling in our special forces mountaineers to clean up. The stage is set for a Comintern/Allies standoff in 1947! Sometimes I love this game thanks for the play through it really helped!
I'm very happy to see this guide remade, that's how I got to your channel, and after a few retarts I got the two achievements for Mao, and you do a great job!
So ther IS an attritionbug in the game! had the same with the german civilwar, which dragged on and on, because regardless of the encirclement they didnt run out of supplies. Good to know there is a solution for it.
I always thought it was intentionally and a certain number of divisions could "life of the land" to give smaller armies a bit of an edge, but it's good to know that it's actually a bug!
As a newbie player, this gives me some ideas. There's a lot that I need to learn. So far, I've only had a few successful runs, such as taking over Europe with Germany, recreating the Swedish Empire minus their German/American landholdings, and recreating the United Central American Provinces. As for what I'm focusing on right now... Fascist Ireland taking out the U.K., Venezuela recreating Gran Colombia, and Spain (I can't even win the civil war for crying out loud). Anyways, thanks for the new idea Bitter! Love your videos!
@@Graciolychina playthroughs are always awesome, but I feel like they seem somewhat easy because as maybe one of the only countries you don't have to worry about manpower at any stage of the game and with the mediocre industrial base you have spamming infantry is the only really valid option for the early and much of the mid game. Also for non Europe plays in general I feel like the combat is much less fun because of the lack of supply infrastructure everywhere
Just a little tip for anyone who wants to play communist china: bittersteel builds infrastructure here at the start... now i'm not gonna criticise this in it of itself, but i wanna implore you to queue up something else to build, because you can't build infra while you are fighting in that state, but the game doesn't wanna let you know that your factories doing nothing, so just be aware of that.
Clean and cool video, I canno't stress enough how good is the rework of commie China in road to 56, I really encourage people to play it, PDX should watch, learn, and work
I formally request a Nationalist playhtrough in the 2020 but 1936 mod. It's not easy to retake China. In fact, I haven't yet. If anyone can, it's the man himself.
Thanks for making this Bitt3r I have been trying to get the communist china achievements for a bit but the old guides failed me in one place or another. Once again thanks.
Ah, one of the few nations where you barely need guns, you have millions of men, sure most of them might be missing guns, but... (Changing all your 2 combat width divisions to 50 ones, needing only enough guns for the small divisions...)
14:50 It could also be that they have enough supply in the state, since state supply is based on population (which is rediculously high, cause china). Then again, japanese divisions are enormous, so they should eventually run low on supplies in that scenario, especially if they don't own the full state.
I was concerned that my Colombia gameplay was denied, but it looks like the A to Z playlist is just missing it for some reason, Costa Rica too. Can't imagine why.
I was just playing PRC. Everything was going well, but at a point the whole world turned against each other, the Soviets started fighting Japan and the Allies at the same time and I was right in the middle of it lol.
bro the attrition thing happened to me as I was playing Estonia Latvia wasn't taking attrition I had them encircled and they were having the time of their life breaching my lines
lol imagine being a member and the whole game bitter talks about how garbage his units are and then when he does push, uses generic units and relegates his members to port guards🤣
I'm new to Hoi and I'm learning how to play with this guide, trying to follow the guide. Everything goes fine until i get to fight China. I'm unable to make any gains, instead China even captures my capital. I'm sure there are things I'm doing wrong (for example only on second attempt i noticed i should cancel training few days prior to war), but cannot grasp what. Can someone point me specifically to sth? For example a lot of my armies stand on Japanese border even though im not in war and i clicked Chinese border to ma front.
Good guide and all. But the japan in my game declared war in 1937. Way before the one in this video declared. And china weirdly never abandoned their border with me despite following this video. Big ouch. Never stood a chance.
I thought the genius army chief will give more xp (0.4/day) than army reformer (0.3 + 10% = 0.33/day)? Maybe the reformer will give more from the war but then I'd prefer the army defense guy more
my only complaint is that when I invaded china, china had divisions there and my divisions lacked equipment and i failed to push and the chinese instead piled divisions against me while the japanese rolled in, resulting in me getting very bad war participation and me falling behind well its not really a complaint....its just me telling everyone about my skill issue
you should try to have the experimental mechanised division from the soviet focus route b4 you attack central china, as no chinese unit can even scratch it.
Holy smokes, the communist leader for Japan, isn't he the guy that got assassinated at just the right moment for the greatest photo post-WWII to be taken?
Is anyone able to give me a more exact research order or a few tips for this run. Trying to follow like the guide shows but I always seem to be getting the draft dodging event by the time I annex that other communist Chinese warlord and my 3 armies never seem to be anywhere near well enough equipped by june 38 for the war against the nationalists
Did they buffed the yan ma??? My battle against them lasted a f year, all the front was fully guarded and the top corner strategy was trash bc my 8 divisions were unsuplied with attrition
Guys I did this before this video and it took me 4 runs to get the "The People Have Stood Up" achievement. You owe me one guide steel, and my sanity... please?
Hey, new player here, I’m basically following through completely on the guide yet can never seem to have enough inf equip to support 3 army’s. It’s the same template and did everything as fast and with the same production cue, any solutions?
I never did this but I thought the capital of China changed to Beijing after taking the decision to proclaim the PRC? Why does it stay in Yanan?! Literally unplayable.
Bitt3r owes a piece of his sanity to more or less every historical world leader by now
Other way around, except for Japan
Enter Mussolini
I was actually watching your old communist China and thinking "bitter needs to update this guide" and you uploaded this, like it dropped from the sky
I was as well. I tried to base a playthrough on his old guide a few months ago and kept getting so close to success, but things would happen.
it dropped from the red sun in the sky
I also uses Mao's hygiene routine to really immerse in the playthrough
sounds cursed, how bad was it?
@@joshsatanson635Tea for teeth
We're raising our social credits with this one lads
Ikr
POV my social credits 500-
+10000
I never expected this guide to come out now. I honestly thought it would've taken a couple more weeks until it would come out.
Pro tip: starting with Invite Foreign Investors first is huge for the economy, giving 2 offmap civs literally doubling the PRCs starting industry. Its only 70 days and helps out tremendously getting in the early game. I tried it one time and did a world conquest in 1948, demanding Mongolia and with the help of Germany it was really easy to defeat the USSR, then having military access to the Allies, I order 66d them, and then the Axis.
Also picking Liu Shaoqi (the Silent Workhorse) at the very beginning is also really helpful, though after assigning the laws, advisors and military high command, PRC has not much to spend pp on, so its optional.
I preferred Grand Battleplan for the PRC since it gives really good supply bonuses as well as unlocking Theatre training, making it much easier to get Adaptable on Lin Biao.
I also just teamed up with the nationalists and defeated Japan first, then using the Infiltration mechanics, declared on China suddenly and the war was over really quickly. Maybe it takes longer this way to get the achievement but I found it to be really easy, and also fun at the same time (I focused on FeedBackGaming's new space marines template).
Adding to this, I think manually justifying from the start really gets you going a lot quicker. Just spam out low strength divisions, pin and hold. Easily unify the north before 1937.
@@OJSTheJuice Yeah I've done that. I mean its obvious if u don't rush Exploit The Weak Neighbors (which takes way too long imo)
I might be wrong but the latest patch notes seem to say that order 66 has finally been patched out! Sad times for speedrunners
Did they ever fix the infiltration mechanics? I always ignored them because it was a huge PP sink and every time I tried it China dismantles my cells faster than I can make them.
@@atlantiswolfif I remember last time I tried, they could only downgrade 2 levels at a time, so I could more or less easily maintain max infiltration in two states
Actually by the time the armies arrived to Yan'An after suffering through a series of encirclement campaigns, they had already left most of if not all artillery during the Long March. Not wanting to flame, just wanted to educate people on the historical conditions that led to the lack of artillery.
Yeah but here he was speaking about the tech, it's not because you don't have arty anymore that you forgot how to make it haha
By that time the Communists could barely afford the factories to make guns. They couldn't afford to make artillery. Game is not so historical@@guitch14
Yeah but they definitely knew what artillery was😂
It's crazy how good at this game you are dude. I find the learning curve really challenging as I don't really have the time to dedicate to it to get good to the point where playing is just fun and not simultaneously a massive exertion of will and brainpower, but your videos make it so I can have a fighting chance, know why certain decisions get made, and actually enjoy playing. Even if I don't do the same things you do because I want to try something different for immersion or other reasons, at least now I know what's possible and why I might make one choice versus another. Idrc about achievements so with Communist China for example I might try to follow a strictly historical path (with deviations to account for the natural unpredictability of playthroughs even on historical) and not immediately rush all my neighbors, but just from the start of your video I know what production and focuses to prioritize, etc. Another example: I love playing as the USSR because I love doing the communist thing, but getting invaded by Hitler is hella scary and stressful when you're not actually that good at the game, but your No Step Back video really helps give me a fighting chance (even though I'm taking many steps back lol. Then again, if Stalin, one of the greatest military leaders of all time, had to retreat all the way to Stalingrad, then I won't feel bad that the g*rmans pushed me out of Poland. But that's neither here nor there. Thanks for your excellent guides!
By holding Shift before you click to draw the railway, it automatically builds the shortest route.
Of course I see this now after my nightmare of a Soviet campaign
DAMN!
If you also hold alt while building railways they will go straight to the top of the construction chain
🫡
wish i could give you an award or something. you are a railway-saver
Had a blast doing this. The war dragged on for me until 1946 to defeat the axis and then finally 1947 to get a foothold on Japan and end the war.
I ended up joining the Comintern after China was defeated and got guaranteed by the Soviet’s which stopped Japan from invading me. I then went down the focus to trigger Japan invading me which dragged the soviets into a 2 front war against Japan and the Germans.
Helped the soviets survive Germany and they helped eliminate what was left of Japan on the mainland. I realized I didn’t prepare a way to invade the japanese island and had to slowly build up to get there. In the meantime, I turned my attention to slowing down the Germans from steam rolling into Moscow because the soviets committed quite a few troops and air power to help us with Japan.
A few years in and after a couple of failed paratroop invasions, we finally had a big enough navy to launch a lucky naval invasion, snapping up a port and funneling in our special forces mountaineers to clean up.
The stage is set for a Comintern/Allies standoff in 1947!
Sometimes I love this game thanks for the play through it really helped!
I'm very happy to see this guide remade, that's how I got to your channel, and after a few retarts I got the two achievements for Mao, and you do a great job!
Nice work!
So ther IS an attritionbug in the game! had the same with the german civilwar, which dragged on and on, because regardless of the encirclement they didnt run out of supplies. Good to know there is a solution for it.
I always thought it was intentionally and a certain number of divisions could "life of the land" to give smaller armies a bit of an edge, but it's good to know that it's actually a bug!
As a newbie player, this gives me some ideas. There's a lot that I need to learn. So far, I've only had a few successful runs, such as taking over Europe with Germany, recreating the Swedish Empire minus their German/American landholdings, and recreating the United Central American Provinces.
As for what I'm focusing on right now... Fascist Ireland taking out the U.K., Venezuela recreating Gran Colombia, and Spain (I can't even win the civil war for crying out loud). Anyways, thanks for the new idea Bitter! Love your videos!
Just completed my 2nd communist china run might be my favourite playthrough 💜
Its so good! i love playing chinas, its a pidy youtubers dont value asia playthrough as much
@@Graciolychina playthroughs are always awesome, but I feel like they seem somewhat easy because as maybe one of the only countries you don't have to worry about manpower at any stage of the game and with the mediocre industrial base you have spamming infantry is the only really valid option for the early and much of the mid game. Also for non Europe plays in general I feel like the combat is much less fun because of the lack of supply infrastructure everywhere
Just a little tip for anyone who wants to play communist china: bittersteel builds infrastructure here at the start... now i'm not gonna criticise this in it of itself, but i wanna implore you to queue up something else to build, because you can't build infra while you are fighting in that state, but the game doesn't wanna let you know that your factories doing nothing, so just be aware of that.
Clean and cool video, I canno't stress enough how good is the rework of commie China in road to 56, I really encourage people to play it, PDX should watch, learn, and work
It’s a great day when Bitt3rsteel uploads
So true
Makes my week.
I love Mao's hair in the hoi4 portrait, shame he lost it.
Ig I'm just gonna need to make my hair similar as a sign of respect
Respect?
@@shonewarrior2178 yeah
17:36 15 mip manpower!!!!!??
I formally request a Nationalist playhtrough in the 2020 but 1936 mod. It's not easy to retake China. In fact, I haven't yet. If anyone can, it's the man himself.
Thanks for making this Bitt3r I have been trying to get the communist china achievements for a bit but the old guides failed me in one place or another. Once again thanks.
Gotta increase that social credit score.
Great social credit score guide
Ah, one of the few nations where you barely need guns, you have millions of men, sure most of them might be missing guns, but...
(Changing all your 2 combat width divisions to 50 ones, needing only enough guns for the small divisions...)
I love how everything just always goes perfect in hoi4 youtube guides.
And behold, the big red chicken has been created
0:30 nice ironman mode
freaky
?
@@Danielskyy-tg4wp bro isn't in iron man mode like he said
Its modded he has a mod enabled that gives division names of his channel members
Bittersteel is the only reason I still play HOI4
For You Page squad! (RUclips really out here not giving me notifications, damn you YT)
Love your content Bitt3r!
14:50 It could also be that they have enough supply in the state, since state supply is based on population (which is rediculously high, cause china).
Then again, japanese divisions are enormous, so they should eventually run low on supplies in that scenario, especially if they don't own the full state.
I was concerned that my Colombia gameplay was denied, but it looks like the A to Z playlist is just missing it for some reason, Costa Rica too. Can't imagine why.
Bittersteel and Feedback are racing to see who can make the most OP guides
I was just playing PRC. Everything was going well, but at a point the whole world turned against each other, the Soviets started fighting Japan and the Allies at the same time and I was right in the middle of it lol.
We're getting elected head of the local worker's council with this one, boys
21:45 social score +9999999
I'm going insane I can't take it anymore
Dude literally dropped the vid a day before I wanted to play THE RED CHINA
If this is a a-z video then you forgot Columbia which comes in between china and communist china
Oops
It’s a beautiful day when he uploads
bro the attrition thing happened to me as I was playing Estonia Latvia wasn't taking attrition I had them encircled and they were having the time of their life breaching my lines
I honestly love playing as Communist China. Its a fun little challenge
lol imagine being a member and the whole game bitter talks about how garbage his units are and then when he does push, uses generic units and relegates his members to port guards🤣
17:20 This is way funnier than it should be
so relaxing to watch your videos
I guess with the new DLC and the weapon market, this has became way more easy haha
I'm new to Hoi and I'm learning how to play with this guide, trying to follow the guide.
Everything goes fine until i get to fight China. I'm unable to make any gains, instead China even captures my capital.
I'm sure there are things I'm doing wrong (for example only on second attempt i noticed i should cancel training few days prior to war), but cannot grasp what. Can someone point me specifically to sth? For example a lot of my armies stand on Japanese border even though im not in war and i clicked Chinese border to ma front.
What about the strat where you fight alongside the nationalists against the Japanese and take Manchuria?
Bitt3r makes my day cuz I love hoi4 cuz I got it like in august this year
Good guide and all. But the japan in my game declared war in 1937. Way before the one in this video declared. And china weirdly never abandoned their border with me despite following this video. Big ouch. Never stood a chance.
communist china is my favorite nation to play as; thanks for the video 💪
I am not even a hoi4 player but i loved your video and by seeing it i also want to play hoi4.
I thought the genius army chief will give more xp (0.4/day) than army reformer (0.3 + 10% = 0.33/day)? Maybe the reformer will give more from the war but then I'd prefer the army defense guy more
Bro’s on the social credit grind
When are we getting our new/improved guides? Can't wait!
Nice video 👍
my only complaint is that when I invaded china, china had divisions there and my divisions lacked equipment and i failed to push and the chinese instead piled divisions against me while the japanese rolled in, resulting in me getting very bad war participation and me falling behind
well its not really a complaint....its just me telling everyone about my skill issue
Yeah this one doesn’t work either. Shanxi just parks a unit on their capital and it’s impossible to break with these garbage units
Nice vid next one manchoukuo ?
you should try to have the experimental mechanised division from the soviet focus route b4 you attack central china, as no chinese unit can even scratch it.
We makin it outta the social credit debt with this one 🗣️🗣️‼️‼️🗣️🗣️‼️‼️
7:28 Breaking: Bitt3rSteel can't perform basic addition!
Can confirm does not work in 2024, or I'm bad, but mostly China definitely has all the equipment they need to defend against both Mao and Japan
In 2024 I'm using this and wondering how the heck he trains units so fast
12:20 How did you get that peace deal with only 18% war score?
You have cores on all that land, making it super cheap for you, while Japan pays a premium
@@Bitt3rSteel Makes sense, thank you
Love your content 😊😊😊❤❤❤
Chingdao: This machine kills Imperial Japanese Armies.
I have to ask, do you have a strategic reason for drawing the railway lines without pressing down shift?
Mostly because I'm stupid
So Mao can evade the bad hairstyle by passing the curse to Japanese Puppet
Ferb, I know what we’re gonna do today!
Why did RUclips not recommend this video as much?
Bittersteel being the best walkthrough gude (sorry Feedback and ISP).
Also a much better voice. I wish i was born in Belgum and be bilingual.
Can you try Eight Years War of Resistance?
Wazzup been chillin
Holy smokes, the communist leader for Japan, isn't he the guy that got assassinated at just the right moment for the greatest photo post-WWII to be taken?
Asanuma is a Social Democrat, not Communist.
Tea, Victoria Sponges and Bitt3rsteel uploads. Noice.
Is anyone able to give me a more exact research order or a few tips for this run. Trying to follow like the guide shows but I always seem to be getting the draft dodging event by the time I annex that other communist Chinese warlord and my 3 armies never seem to be anywhere near well enough equipped by june 38 for the war against the nationalists
Did they buffed the yan ma???
My battle against them lasted a f year, all the front was fully guarded and the top corner strategy was trash bc my 8 divisions were unsuplied with attrition
Guys I did this before this video and it took me 4 runs to get the "The People Have Stood Up" achievement. You owe me one guide steel, and my sanity... please?
I got lend leases from: "ussr, mongolia, tannu tuva, tibet, afghanistan, iran, Iraq, saudi arabia, turkey" yes, that is a long list...
An new masterpiece made by bitt3rSteel
tell ISP to bring back randy the rat plz
Hey, new player here, I’m basically following through completely on the guide yet can never seem to have enough inf equip to support 3 army’s. It’s the same template and did everything as fast and with the same production cue, any solutions?
1:44 *Literally the PRC:*
What’s our favourite pizza topping?
I’ve done this a good few times already, but mines ham!
schizophrenia
@@aleenvook1941 not the best topping for pizza. Are you okay?
Like I’ve even seen banana being said!
You didn't unite all of China, you left Mongolia 😥
Mongolia isn't apart of china
@@darksland5569 In reality, yes, but China doesn't think so. But it used to be a part of China, until 1912, and that's why China claims Mongolia.
@@darksland5569 Also inner mongolia is a part of China today
China claims your mom😂😂
Ah, I see your Social Credit score skyrocketing right now.
Now do Qing China
Yesss
Is it viable to build train tracks instead of infrastructure at first?
Brooo, the Thumbnail would be perfect if you added Mongolia and Vladivostok on it...
I never did this but I thought the capital of China changed to Beijing after taking the decision to proclaim the PRC? Why does it stay in Yanan?! Literally unplayable.
you get a decision after uniting china
Amazing content i love this
Play as Poland and make again wojtek as your country leader
What's up with the old strategy of initially allying with china to defeat japan and then finishing the nationalists? Does it not work anymore?
It does, but I feel the newpewce mechanics favor you so much vs Japan it was worth a try
@@Bitt3rSteel thanks for the answer
+2000 social credit 🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳
Bing chillin
I am new to the game and did the same thing as you but when i was fighting xibes san something china declares war on me why?
Ultimate Shanxi guide when
hey im a belgian mailman that just booked his flight to tokyo. Any tips?
How about an updated Manchukuo guide Mr. Bitt3r?
Ever since playing Eight Years' War of Resistance, I cannot take vanilla's China seriously. I'm glad at least others have fun with it
In game I somehow ended up in the comintern right after the war and Japan just never attacked me