Another audio-related segment on the Discovery Channel's "How It's Made" show. This segment shows some of the steps in building a Wilson Benesch turntable.
Very nice RUclips video. Thank you for the great quality video Morrison. It's 2015, with all the technology out there today.. the *_record_* and it's player still amazes me. It's such a cool invention.
MiharuNV750 this is what they want us to do, sure ive worked with similar stuff, unfortunatley quality does NOT go before quantity. arguably these things are nikpicking and doesnt change the function but as a customer and a perfectionist i do wanna make sure it all fits perfect and looks nice. but as a employer all you see is something that takes a little more time and thats not profitable.
Still love my Technics 1200mk5's.. Glad i bought them on sale and brand new before they went on the "Discontinued List" i love turntables & especially old & new, dj or non dj..
+OniJon The disk is much wobblier (and thus worse aligned) than any of the wobbly and misaligned components of this turntable. Still, more designed to dazzle than to impress. Meh.
I couldn't agree more! Horrible soldering job, too! I don't buy into the stupid "audiophile" brands nonsense. Give me a Technics 1200 any day over this handmade crap.
those new technics are expensive as a herd of whores, glad I have mine 1210mkII man... they are from 1984, and Im from 1983, I think they are in a better shape than me :)
Delta Fox man stop talking the supremacy bullshit and enjoy your vinyls ok? silly DJ TTs... so you call a Technics turntables silly? Thats the end of discussion, because of your shitty attitude. No room for reasonable talk unfortunatelly.
Delta Fox thanks for letting us all know which company we will never support, u dont know what vinyl love is, u just full of hate and shit. Nice advertisement customreference.wix.com/redbeard-bearings stay away from this toxic man. I cant even believe this is happening, you must be out of your fuckin mind man :( I hope you get better very soon
That's not a DC motor. It's a 24 pole AC synchronous motor. It locks onto the power grid frequency (60 Hz in the US) and operates at a very stable speed of 300 rpm without the need for a regulator circuit. It *IS* inexpensive; in that regard you are correct, though you CAN buy versions that are manufactured to very precise tolerances. If you're not convinced, the most prominent bit of evidence is the two-sheave pulley fitted to the motor. Since the motor operates at a fixed speed, to change platter speed you have to switch the belt from one sheave to another. DC motors don't lock onto line frequencies and therefore speeds can be changed electronically. Other turntables use 24-pole AC motors as well. The U-Turn Orbit, many models of Rega, and Linn turntables all use this type of setup.
Yah you're right, it's not like they have no clue how to do that by eye doing it for years and years as a profession. How dare he to excell at the job he does for a living ...
@@MichelLinschoten Yes I am right, no matter how good he is at his job no two head angles will be exactly the same. A simple assembly jig with two flat planes set exactly parallel would guarantee everyone was perfect. A tonearm is not an arts and craft project that can be assembled by eye, it's engineering.
mmm postmodern hipster fashion accessory that'll look nice sat on a wooden stand and never be used. Belt-drive too, you can almost smell the quality ;-)
Actually, A pro turntable like a Technics 1200 Mk2 should make an interesting "how it's made" vid. Those ones are made very differently than 21'st century audiophile turntables like the one shown in this vid. Direct Drive motor, aluminum platter, the series of strobe dots, the chassis, damper feet, Pitch control... All of this is very interesting... And Unique to the 1200's....
@4:29 we can clearly see that the motor pulley ins't turning straight, probably because the hole for the motor shaft wasn't drilled straight in it. Moreover,@4:55 we can also see that the plastic platter is moving up and down slightly, because of misalignment. And whats' that, expensive carbon fiber tone arm aligned approximately by eye ?? You've got to be kidding me ? I certainly wouldn't buy a $4500US Wilson Benesch crappy plastic turntable.
...also, I've discovered that all of the 78 records that I acquired, and wondered if I'd ever be able to overcome the shortcomings of this recording medium, I did overcome. There is a fine line that we as listeners can navigate. Actually, we as humans can navigate, but I won't get into it, all I can say is that after about 50 listens of all of the incredible late 1920's to mid 1930's music electronically recorded 78 records that I own, I began to just tune out the scratches, music is THAT good!
+basspig When I rewired my Rega RP1 (all will eventually have to be rewired), it looks just like that, but I do have a screw which holds the cardas in place to avoid wire contact.
Looks like we're gong to have a nearby neighbor moving in for the first time in 4-1/2 billion years. It's going to be interesting to see their reaction the first time I listen to J pop at elevated volume levels. Things are more complicated because across the road is another town in an neighboring county. So if they call their local cops, I'll tell them no jurisdiction and they'll have to call my town's cops, which don't respond to noise complaints before 10 pm. It's going to be an interesting summer.
17kW. I once calculated displacement.. I think it was around 1700 sq inches. I maybe in error, as that was calculated in 2006 and I'm going from memory. I do know the woofer array is 112dB efficient at 20Hz with 1 watt input.
This is a joke, right? First you fracture soldered joints, melt the shrink wrap tubing with the soldering iron over said fractured joints, eyeball the alignment, and then try to charge 4400.00US for this POS?! I can't believe the company allowed this video to be released to the public. I can honestly say I will NEVER purchase this or any other product from this company knowing this is how they do things.
@@drewscruis Not all high end turntables are direct drive. Direct drive is best suited for high torque applications (eg in radio stations and for DJs.) DD motors have more noise and introduce more vibrations compared to belt driven turntables. 99% of "audiophile" turntables are belt driven (eg. Thorens TD160) or driven by an idler wheel (eg. Garrard 301)
Ill never gonna buy from this brand. This assemly dude is incopetitant hence the owner who released this video as well. Eyeball alignment??)) Im gonna stick with my Thorens 124, 126 toys.
Forget vinyl for the moment. MP3 does not remove noise; it compresses the original PCM data file, by removing recorded signals that are masked by louder signals at the same or similar frequency. Noises (as opposed to music content) generated in the recording process will still be reproduced because they cannot be masked, by definition. That's why they are noises. Which is why saying MP3 'removes noise' is so fundamentally wrong, it throws everything else you have to say into serious doubt.
People here are going on and on about direct drive this, automatic that - direct drive manufacturing made sense only in the days of economies of scale. Turntables are a niche item now, made in small numbers, especially in the super-hi-fi world. About automatic - auto-return mechanisms introduce many moving parts that cause vibration and friction in the tonearm.
No, what you mean is the vinyl record has limitations. Analogue is merely a form of information storage, and ultimately has no upper limit to information density. Digital has a finite predisposed limit...you stand corrected.
True and true. That's why I have an old collection that's purely analog. Buying records that have been recorded digitally and then pressed from a digital source defeats the point. Look up studio reel to reel - BEST QUALITY AUDIO comes from reel to reel. Also, if the record is clean and in good condition, you won't hear even a fraction of static.
That's funny. You see the Wilson Benesch Turntable that preceded the Circle actually sells for more than it was sold for new when it was first released more than 20 years ago!
But there are soo many more things to test out such as speed, how do you make sure that the speed is correct,how are those wires wired to the needle. And so on. Still incredible to see this video.
Maybe it's easier to understand why a person with very refined hearing and a special sense for the finer textures of music would prefer certain mediums over others if you examine the reel to reel tape. Quality tape recording retains every nuance in the music just as a compact disc ( recorded well that is), but it has a definite character which is not part of the music that was actually recorded onto the tape. This experienced listener grew to accept and adore these characteristics as qualities!
A wonderful video presentation! Thumbs up. I aim to make a DIY turntable belt drive; have almost all the parts, and materials. However, a linear tracking tonearm turntable should be considered, even though there is the problem of friction.
Cheap things will always be cheap. Nice things have a habit of retaking value and becoming a pleasure for the next generation. If you think this is expensive check the new speaker from Wilson Benesch. The animation....... is well ....really cool!....these guys are on something!
Would love to see your "facts" on that statement. I have records from 10 years ago that sound identical to when I bought them and I have played them a lot more than 30 times.
depends on what type of electrical contacting you are doing. You have to solder sensors and LEDs and motors to get the best performance and the electrician is the one in charge of making sure all the electrical components work as intended
I own this TT with the carbon 2.0 arm and an AT33PGT MK2 cartridge. It is a little harder to set up than something like a Rega but once done so property the sound quality is excellent. It won't be a TT for everyone and at this price it will divide opinion regarding value for money. I was fortunate to purchase pre owned. I can say that it is very well engineered and solid in construction. Exceptionally balanced and detailed sound. To pass judgement one would have to examine it in person and listen to its comparative performance in the context of your own system. There are plenty of brilliant turntables to choose from at this price point. I couldn't comment them because I haven't owned them. However the 2.0 arm is something of a classic. Love or hate it, it will always be a great TT in terms of sound and a talking point because of the cake like design. Nothing wrong with a Technics, Roksan, Linn, Gyrodeck etc all personal choice. But mine was this, from a UK company with a great reputation. I don't work for them by the way but just like what I hear.
Direct drive reached great sophistication in the late 70's into the 80's. Problems with wow and flutter, cogging noise, and vibration in general reached lows commensurate with excellent belt drive models. The instantaneous torque provided by these evolved direct drive models always trumped the belt drive units simply due to the nature of the direct transmission of power (i.e. motion). But, as refined as the best direct drives became the best belt drives had lower rumble and as such are king.
That is not noise. It's more like firing half the choir, because their voices are masked by louder voices singing the same parts. 'beyond the auditory resolution' does not mean noise reduction, or even necessarily truncated frequencies above 20kHz. It means one sound being masked by another at the same (or similar) frequency.
The most expencive audiophile turn tables are belt drive and even the motor is on a separate chassis. Direct drive is better for DJing but the best sounding machines are belt drive.
In many ways this is an elegant work :) I do not like the beltdrive, even though it kills the eventuality of rumble noise from the motor. This is because I know you can get an direktdriven turntable without rumble noise :)
since you were debating the superiority or digital over analogue, it's only fair to point out that technically analogue is superior, its just the implementation that's the problem. Did you know that sound is analogue like all nature and is sampled to a finite degree, and then later converted back to analogue?- the more processes, the more signal degradation....
Yes, the equipment's converter bandwidth matters hugely which is part of why I'm trying to say even with digital you need at least midrange gear for decent output and reproduction. But, I'd argue that the analogue part of the reproduction stage and the quality of it's electronics matter even more as by your argument we're back to pure-analogue problems like wow, pop, click, hiss, distortion, etc. Digital also has distortion, it's just at-headroom truncation instead.
Some may argue that lower bit depth audio sounds exactly like higher bit depth audio. I tend to disagree. The higher the bit depth and sampling rate of purely PCM audio, the better. This is because it will emulate the complete analog waveform much better. Still, 16 bits is a lot of amplitude info, especially for a range of between 0 and 1 volt. MP3 on the other hand, adds artifacts and does a mess of a job. You can tell the difference, especially on good speakers. Even at 320+ kb/s
No. Lossy compression systems like MP3 attempt to play the music 'as it sounds' instead of 'as it is'. They rely on our difficulty hearing quieter sounds in the presence of a louder sound at the same (or similar) frequency. There is a cut-off as a by-product of the compression process, which increases in line with the amount of compression used. But I think you are confusing this with the Nyquist-Shannon brickwall in digital sampling (16bit, 44.1kHz PCM files have a strict 22kHz limit).
Yeah but the difference here is that the vinyl record is closer to the original sound from the get go. In a digital playback system you are converting analog to digital (loss) then going from digital to analog (further loss). In a straight analog system there is no conversion of that nature. The mechanical motion drives voltage which is amplified, all the information is still there as it was. You don't get that with digital, its been stepped on several times. That's the key difference.
The wires aren't stuffed in the cylinder like that. There is a plug in the bottom that holds every wire in position to those going through the arm. Since this type is internally grounded, there is a ground wire attached to the blue wire that is grounded to the side of the metal cylinder. That's tricky because you have RCA cable wire, the tonearm blue wire, and the ground wire that is soldered together. The entire assembly is inserted into the cylinder with a screw or glue holding it in place so it cannot move. There is enough slack going through the arm so the assembly never receives any pulling from above or below. Cardas makes a complete assembly for rebuilding the arm, but I choose to do my own. That is absolutely necessary if you buy Rega turntables because the wire is too thin (breaks) and the clips are laughable at best. My RP1 had to be rewired, and the sound is better than the original with higher quality wire, RCA cables, and high quality clips. It isn't easy, but if you can solder properly, you can do it.
if you are going to argue that vinyl is better than digital, you also have to take into consideration where the original sound came from and how it was recorded. almost ALL modern production techniques use digital recording for vocals, guitars, drums, and all of those digitally recorded sounds are ran through some sort of digital audio workstation. so right off the bat, all of those sounds are digital...pressing them into an analog surface (vinyl) wont magically make them analog again....
I ran out of characters so replied to my own reply - read my second reply for what I meant by the analogue quality. I can appreciate a loathing of poorly made vinyl, but analogue is not only vinyl so I hope you can appreciate my sat-in-the-middle argument for both analogue and digital as given in my second reply.
It's not about djing at all. For djing you are correct a direct drive unit is better, but for record playing with units shown in the video belts are smoother than direct drive and allow for the use of magnetic or quartz bearing drives. For pure audiophile playing belt drive s better. Also a well taken care of belt can last a very long time, and even so a belt is pretty inexpensive.
B Keat There's absolutely nothing wrong with "eyeing up a component" I have worked in engineering for more than 25 years and I can tell you that a well trained eye can spot a mismatch in parts down to a couple of thou of an inch quite easily. Apart from that the azimuth is almost certainly adjustable on this tone arm.
you can still touch all the atoms in analog, thats how some microscopes work with a thin piece of carbon fiber to read things too small to see for them.
I was brought here when I read my USB turntable's manual and it said "Us of controls, adjustments, or performance of procedures other than those specified may result in hazardous radiation exposure". I was hoping How it's Made would explain why turntables are nuclear powered. Seriously, type "turntable"hazardous radiation exposure" " into Google and you'll find this is a common thing with USB turntables. I'm thinking it must have something to do with the aluminum alloy but cannot find information on what's making them radioactive or why it's there. Not as concerned as I am curious. Anyone have any idea why there's a risk of radiation exposure?
If it is a Crosley, that is the depleted uranium that got into the chinese pot metal... standard warning. Otherwise, is there a CD player in the unit? If so, it is referring to laser radiation... if no CD player, then I suspect it is simply a generic warning overall.
the LP's/vinyl only wears out quitre quickly if the tonearm is not balanced properly which will chew the records and unless someone has a super imbalanced tonearm killing their records, wearing out a vinyl is very minimal at best, ive used and still have my vinyl records that are going on 10+ years of age and still sound and play exactaly perfect since the day i bought them, diamond tip styluses bring out the warmth and make the records sound much much better than any CD or MP3 ever could.
I should have mentioned that FRC is a robotics competition. We use all DC so we use solder. and electrician may not be the official term, but it is frequently used at our shop so i don't really care
I ran out of characters, so I'll add to what I said about analogue by pointing out that the audio quality in pure analogue is determined by the quality of the equipment only, but digital audio's maximum quality is determined when the analogue signal from an acoustic device is converted to digital, at which the signal can only degrade from poorer equipment for reproduction and reconversion to analogue
I have Vinyl Records, MP3 & wave files. I'd have to say Vinyl The Bass is deeper and sounds better than any of my Mp3s including all the 320Kb files. I actually can hear the artifacts on the digital files and sometimes it bugs the crap out of me. However, most people can't take care of Vinyl Records or even CDs for that matter, so eventually you will have Records that have scratches or just wear out over time resulting in pops and hiss which would mean for them it's better to have an MP3
It has to be a really bad press test for the MP3 to have better quality. Don't forget that physical formats deal with electric signals, and MP3 deal with digital format. Also don't forget that computers can't render curves (has seen on sine waves) 100% perfect. This should result in minimal artifacts. MP3 is a lossy format, the compression gets rid of a spectrum of freqs. It's very unlikely for a 320kbps MP3 to have better quality than a LP, but it's not impossible. Cheers.
You can actually create those sounds with analog-synthetisizers and also record the material you want to creat in an analog way :) Not saying that Tiesto should do that. Unfortunatly the digital-age have brought the era of limiters. These which make it possible to play the material louder, alot louder.. with the loss of sound quality. Making the sounds compete with eachother instead of interacting.
1- I think you are referring to the PRACTICAL limitations of analogue and not the TECHNICAL limitations. I agree that in practice, most of us use a digital solution nowadays , but that is because the industry adopted it for storage, distribution, cost and god knows what else. Most people think for example that digital tv and radio transmissions in practice are often poorer than the old analogue because of bandwidth and hardware limitations.
The process involved in engineering and cutting a vinyl record ensures this doesn't take place because the material is engineered correctly and there for can be reproduced accurately. This is appropriate dynamic range mastering and its what makes vinyl sound a fuck load better when done right than most digital material because you can't break the rules.
There seems to be confusion in some viewers of the potential in Analogue data systems. Put simply, digital has predetermined, finite upper limit to its information saturation- analogue does not. Therefore if you could read the information stored in ever increasing detail, there still would be more to see.
IF you want to get into general terms you would need a sample rate of 360Khz or better to replicate what can be put into a vinyl record. That's how much range is in a top end cutting solution.
To be honest, I just have an Ion ITTUSB belt drive turntable and it does its job. I could buy a fancy fancy turntable but why bother? A turntable is not something to look at, its something that needs to be practical. Many people in this comment section mention how the presented turntable is badly designed, and I agree; the manufacturer went for the looks instead of practicality. There are hundreds of designs and quite frankly, whatever spins your record is good as long as you're happy with it.
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+DJ Shuffle Have fun with your scratched up records after playing it on a cheap TT with a even cheaper stylus. A turntable is a precision instrument, if you are looking for something practical you are in the wrong field. The technology behind TT's havent change since the 60's. So any good old 70's TT from japan is better than the new budget TT's out there today, and you can get these dirt cheap to! Maybe just change the belt and oil it up and its like new again.
Like alot of others Im shocked he aligned the tonearm by eye. O also didnt like how he fed the wires back into the tonearm when he assembled it. I will stick to my vintages tables from the 70s and 80s, when they actually cared about manufacturing
Have you seen the wobble on the motor pulley (smooth running?) I thought that the wobble on my VPI was not so good, Ha ha. Not comparable to any Thorens I ever owned and that were at least 8!
and if you really want to complain, explain why the Technics 1200 MKII turntables are still world standard, explain why they are still pressing vinyl and people are buying, it's not because of hype. using a diamond tip stylus doesnt automatically mean the records are going to last only 30 seconds, the diamond is rounded off, look at the Shure M44-7 cart, diamond tip stylus been using for 10+ years, and i have records that ive played for over those 10 years on the M44-7, and they play perfectly.
One of the best inventions of all time now revealled. Thanks for posting it!
Very nice RUclips video. Thank you for the great quality video Morrison. It's 2015, with all the technology out there today.. the *_record_* and it's player still amazes me. It's such a cool invention.
I do love it when a old technology stays around because of a feature that makes it better working.
Sodering of wires and stuffing it into the tonearm base made my eyes bleed.
I was thinking that looked pretty rough too... Lol
MiharuNV750 this is what they want us to do, sure ive worked with similar stuff, unfortunatley quality does NOT go before quantity. arguably these things are nikpicking and doesnt change the function but as a customer and a perfectionist i do wanna make sure it all fits perfect and looks nice. but as a employer all you see is something that takes a little more time and thats not profitable.
agree hehe
it's just a tonearm for a record player.
I see nothing wrong unfortunately
Still love my Technics 1200mk5's.. Glad i bought them on sale and brand new before they went on the "Discontinued List" i love turntables & especially old & new, dj or non dj..
Straightening by eye, stuffing the cables, wobbly motor and/or spindle. Oh gawd, what did I just watch. Still, simple and kinda elegant TT.
+OniJon The disk is much wobblier (and thus worse aligned) than any of the wobbly and misaligned components of this turntable.
Still, more designed to dazzle than to impress. Meh.
4000 bucks msrp
OniJon oh this is brutal!
Gabriel Rosales
I couldn't agree more! Horrible soldering job, too! I don't buy into the stupid "audiophile" brands nonsense. Give me a Technics 1200 any day over this handmade crap.
Thank goodness Technics turntables are back this year. You can't beat a nice Direct-Drive turntable.
No you can't!!!!
those new technics are expensive as a herd of whores, glad I have mine 1210mkII man... they are from 1984, and Im from 1983, I think they are in a better shape than me :)
Delta Fox
man stop talking the supremacy bullshit and enjoy your vinyls ok? silly DJ TTs... so you call a Technics turntables silly? Thats the end of discussion, because of your shitty attitude. No room for reasonable talk unfortunatelly.
Delta Fox
thanks for letting us all know which company we will never support, u dont know what vinyl love is, u just full of hate and shit. Nice advertisement customreference.wix.com/redbeard-bearings stay away from this toxic man. I cant even believe this is happening, you must be out of your fuckin mind man :( I hope you get better very soon
Delta Fox
thanks for offer but I dont want to have ppl with raped vermin filled assholes in my vicinity, nothing personal mate
that's how you turn a $5 DC motor to a $3K turntable,gotta love those "audiophile" folks lols.
That's not a DC motor. It's a 24 pole AC synchronous motor. It locks onto the power grid frequency (60 Hz in the US) and operates at a very stable speed of 300 rpm without the need for a regulator circuit. It *IS* inexpensive; in that regard you are correct, though you CAN buy versions that are manufactured to
very precise tolerances.
If you're not convinced, the most prominent bit of evidence is the two-sheave pulley fitted to the motor. Since the motor operates at a fixed speed, to change platter speed you have to switch the belt from one sheave to another. DC motors don't lock onto line frequencies and therefore speeds can be changed electronically.
Other turntables use 24-pole AC motors as well. The U-Turn Orbit, many models of Rega, and Linn turntables all use this type of setup.
and the CNC Tool is not $5
Aligning the headshell with the arm base by eye when a simple jig could be made to do this accurately and faster is not acceptable.
Yah you're right, it's not like they have no clue how to do that by eye doing it for years and years as a profession.
How dare he to excell at the job he does for a living ...
@@MichelLinschoten Yes I am right, no matter how good he is at his job no two head angles will be exactly the same. A simple assembly jig with two flat planes set exactly parallel would guarantee everyone was perfect. A tonearm is not an arts and craft project that can be assembled by eye, it's engineering.
mmm postmodern hipster fashion accessory that'll look nice sat on a wooden stand and never be used.
Belt-drive too, you can almost smell the quality ;-)
Actually, A pro turntable like a Technics 1200 Mk2 should make an interesting "how it's made" vid. Those ones are made very differently than 21'st century audiophile turntables like the one shown in this vid.
Direct Drive motor, aluminum platter, the series of strobe dots, the chassis, damper feet, Pitch control... All of this is very interesting... And Unique to the 1200's....
@4:29 we can clearly see that the motor pulley ins't turning straight, probably because the hole for the motor shaft wasn't drilled straight in it. Moreover,@4:55 we can also see that the plastic platter is moving up and down slightly, because of misalignment. And whats' that, expensive carbon fiber tone arm aligned approximately by eye ?? You've got to be kidding me ?
I certainly wouldn't buy a $4500US Wilson Benesch crappy plastic turntable.
It's not not good. No precision in its build at all.
This is how it made - clear and correct - new turntables is wrong chose
...also, I've discovered that all of the 78 records that I acquired, and wondered if I'd ever be able to overcome the shortcomings of this recording medium, I did overcome. There is a fine line that we as listeners can navigate. Actually, we as humans can navigate, but I won't get into it, all I can say is that after about 50 listens of all of the incredible late 1920's to mid 1930's music electronically recorded 78 records that I own, I began to just tune out the scratches, music is THAT good!
soldering looks a mess.
+basspig When I rewired my Rega RP1 (all will eventually have to be rewired), it looks just like that, but I do have a screw which holds the cardas in place to avoid wire contact.
Completely agree with you.
Looks like we're gong to have a nearby neighbor moving in for the first time in 4-1/2 billion years. It's going to be interesting to see their reaction the first time I listen to J pop at elevated volume levels. Things are more complicated because across the road is another town in an neighboring county. So if they call their local cops, I'll tell them no jurisdiction and they'll have to call my town's cops, which don't respond to noise complaints before 10 pm. It's going to be an interesting summer.
17kW. I once calculated displacement.. I think it was around 1700 sq inches. I maybe in error, as that was calculated in 2006 and I'm going from memory. I do know the woofer array is 112dB efficient at 20Hz with 1 watt input.
This is a joke, right? First you fracture soldered joints, melt the shrink wrap tubing with the soldering iron over said fractured joints, eyeball the alignment, and then try to charge 4400.00US for this POS?! I can't believe the company allowed this video to be released to the public. I can honestly say I will NEVER purchase this or any other product from this company knowing this is how they do things.
Exactly this. Shocking!
Not to mention this isn't a direct drive turntable...
@@drewscruis Not all high end turntables are direct drive. Direct drive is best suited for high torque applications (eg in radio stations and for DJs.) DD motors have more noise and introduce more vibrations compared to belt driven turntables. 99% of "audiophile" turntables are belt driven (eg. Thorens TD160) or driven by an idler wheel (eg. Garrard 301)
Ill never gonna buy from this brand. This assemly dude is incopetitant hence the owner who released this video as well. Eyeball alignment??)) Im gonna stick with my Thorens 124, 126 toys.
Forget vinyl for the moment. MP3 does not remove noise; it compresses the original PCM data file, by removing recorded signals that are masked by louder signals at the same or similar frequency. Noises (as opposed to music content) generated in the recording process will still be reproduced because they cannot be masked, by definition. That's why they are noises.
Which is why saying MP3 'removes noise' is so fundamentally wrong, it throws everything else you have to say into serious doubt.
People here are going on and on about direct drive this, automatic that - direct drive manufacturing made sense only in the days of economies of scale. Turntables are a niche item now, made in small numbers, especially in the super-hi-fi world. About automatic - auto-return mechanisms introduce many moving parts that cause vibration and friction in the tonearm.
+1
Also, the soldering technician should be using a heat gun to shrink the heatshrink tubing, and not the tip of the soldering iron (see 3:30).
ThorensTD124 mk2, Ortofon RS212 arm and Ortofon SL15E here, was quality in 1970 when my uncle bought it, still is quality today.
that turn table looks so cool
I'll stick with my Technics tables.
My sentiments EXACTLY!! ❤️
Beautiful!
No, what you mean is the vinyl record has limitations. Analogue is merely a form of information storage, and ultimately has no upper limit to information density. Digital has a finite predisposed limit...you stand corrected.
the way HOW IT'S MADE is meant to be watched, in HD :D
Saying this with a big smile on my face.......
True and true. That's why I have an old collection that's purely analog. Buying records that have been recorded digitally and then pressed from a digital source defeats the point. Look up studio reel to reel - BEST QUALITY AUDIO comes from reel to reel.
Also, if the record is clean and in good condition, you won't hear even a fraction of static.
That's funny. You see the Wilson Benesch Turntable that preceded the Circle actually sells for more than it was sold for new when it was first released more than 20 years ago!
But there are soo many more things to test out such as speed, how do you make sure that the speed is correct,how are those wires wired to the needle.
And so on.
Still incredible to see this video.
Maybe it's easier to understand why a person with very refined hearing and a special sense for the finer textures of music would prefer certain mediums over others if you examine the reel to reel tape. Quality tape recording retains every nuance in the music just as a compact disc ( recorded well that is), but it has a definite character which is not part of the music that was actually recorded onto the tape. This experienced listener grew to accept and adore these characteristics as qualities!
"It's time for the VINYL test."
OH MY GOD THESE PUNS.
A wonderful video presentation! Thumbs up. I aim to make a DIY turntable belt drive; have almost all the parts, and materials. However, a linear tracking tonearm turntable should be considered, even though there is the problem of friction.
Use an Eminent Technology air-bearing tonearm. No friction at all.
these are some sleek looking audiophile turntables
Kids today love DJing and they want vinyl decks to do it on so the turntable lives!
Cheap things will always be cheap. Nice things have a habit of retaking value and becoming a pleasure for the next generation. If you think this is expensive check the new speaker from Wilson Benesch. The animation....... is well ....really cool!....these guys are on something!
Would love to see your "facts" on that statement. I have records from 10 years ago that sound identical to when I bought them and I have played them a lot more than 30 times.
depends on what type of electrical contacting you are doing. You have to solder sensors and LEDs and motors to get the best performance and the electrician is the one in charge of making sure all the electrical components work as intended
Damn I was hoping this was a technics 1200 turntable being made...
I own this TT with the carbon 2.0 arm and an AT33PGT MK2 cartridge. It is a little harder to set up than something like a Rega but once done so property the sound quality is excellent. It won't be a TT for everyone and at this price it will divide opinion regarding value for money. I was fortunate to purchase pre owned. I can say that it is very well engineered and solid in construction. Exceptionally balanced and detailed sound. To pass judgement one would have to examine it in person and listen to its comparative performance in the context of your own system. There are plenty of brilliant turntables to choose from at this price point. I couldn't comment them because I haven't owned them. However the 2.0 arm is something of a classic.
Love or hate it, it will always be a great TT in terms of sound and a talking point because of the cake like design. Nothing wrong with a Technics, Roksan, Linn, Gyrodeck etc all personal choice. But mine was this, from a UK company with a great reputation. I don't work for them by the way but just like what I hear.
Direct drive reached great sophistication in the late 70's into the 80's. Problems with wow and flutter, cogging noise, and vibration in general reached lows commensurate with excellent belt drive models. The instantaneous torque provided by these evolved direct drive models always trumped the belt drive units simply due to the nature of the direct transmission of power (i.e. motion). But, as refined as the best direct drives became the best belt drives had lower rumble and as such are king.
Vinyl may have its draw backs, but I will gladly take those over an mp3 any day at any bit rate.
That is a work of art!
Yeah that's what I was hoping too. Technics 1200 are mostly hand built too from what I heard.
That is not noise. It's more like firing half the choir, because their voices are masked by louder voices singing the same parts.
'beyond the auditory resolution' does not mean noise reduction, or even necessarily truncated frequencies above 20kHz. It means one sound being masked by another at the same (or similar) frequency.
thank you, ive never been a legend in my life before :D
The most expencive audiophile turn tables are belt drive and even the motor is on a separate chassis. Direct drive is better for DJing but the best sounding machines are belt drive.
In many ways this is an elegant work :) I do not like the beltdrive, even though it kills the eventuality of rumble noise from the motor. This is because I know you can get an direktdriven turntable without rumble noise :)
since you were debating the superiority or digital over analogue, it's only fair to point out that technically analogue is superior, its just the implementation that's the problem.
Did you know that sound is analogue like all nature and is sampled to a finite degree, and then later converted back to analogue?- the more processes, the more signal degradation....
All cold solder connections - I can hear the crackling from here
Why the hell is he heating the heatshrink with a soldering iron. That's electronics 101 no nos.
Yeah any pro uses a zippo :P
Right... botch
Tom Wilkinson a heat gun would melt the silver wiring
I dont think so because even on medium temperatur the tubing shrinks in an instant so there is no time were the wiering could melt.
The soldering iron gets a lot hotter than a heat gun and there is also the direct contact with the soldering iron. Big no-no.
look at the manufacturing and assembly process...
no balancing of the platter. using eyes to level the tone arm
How much is this turntable ?
Yes, the equipment's converter bandwidth matters hugely which is part of why I'm trying to say even with digital you need at least midrange gear for decent output and reproduction. But, I'd argue that the analogue part of the reproduction stage and the quality of it's electronics matter even more as by your argument we're back to pure-analogue problems like wow, pop, click, hiss, distortion, etc. Digital also has distortion, it's just at-headroom truncation instead.
I have a Stanton Str8150 and they are perfection
Some may argue that lower bit depth audio sounds exactly like higher bit depth audio. I tend to disagree. The higher the bit depth and sampling rate of purely PCM audio, the better. This is because it will emulate the complete analog waveform much better. Still, 16 bits is a lot of amplitude info, especially for a range of between 0 and 1 volt.
MP3 on the other hand, adds artifacts and does a mess of a job. You can tell the difference, especially on good speakers. Even at 320+ kb/s
Well, I'll not be buying that brand. Too many flaws in the process.
That is really nice work.. but i perfer a 1970s sears.. that was used when i got it.. like flipped a double sided needle..
I've never seen a tonearm quite like that one. I guess my Rega just uses two post bearings with shaft that don't require glue.
Interesting. Maybe they think that the noise is conducted by the vinyl material to the shell? What you think about this?
As a $2000+ Audophile phono, this W-B turntable actually makes an SL1200 look like a toy found in a cereal box.
No. Lossy compression systems like MP3 attempt to play the music 'as it sounds' instead of 'as it is'. They rely on our difficulty hearing quieter sounds in the presence of a louder sound at the same (or similar) frequency.
There is a cut-off as a by-product of the compression process, which increases in line with the amount of compression used. But I think you are confusing this with the Nyquist-Shannon brickwall in digital sampling (16bit, 44.1kHz PCM files have a strict 22kHz limit).
Yeah but the difference here is that the vinyl record is closer to the original sound from the get go. In a digital playback system you are converting analog to digital (loss) then going from digital to analog (further loss). In a straight analog system there is no conversion of that nature. The mechanical motion drives voltage which is amplified, all the information is still there as it was. You don't get that with digital, its been stepped on several times. That's the key difference.
The wires aren't stuffed in the cylinder like that. There is a plug in the bottom that holds every wire in position to those going through the arm. Since this type is internally grounded, there is a ground wire attached to the blue wire that is grounded to the side of the metal cylinder. That's tricky because you have RCA cable wire, the tonearm blue wire, and the ground wire that is soldered together. The entire assembly is inserted into the cylinder with a screw or glue holding it in place so it cannot move. There is enough slack going through the arm so the assembly never receives any pulling from above or below. Cardas makes a complete assembly for rebuilding the arm, but I choose to do my own. That is absolutely necessary if you buy Rega turntables because the wire is too thin (breaks) and the clips are laughable at best. My RP1 had to be rewired, and the sound is better than the original with higher quality wire, RCA cables, and high quality clips. It isn't easy, but if you can solder properly, you can do it.
That is an insanely talented black man.
Is that sarcasm? Or just racism?! All I see is someone doing a very average/poor job of glueing and soldering.
I agree, there is no way a 320 kbps MP3 will sound better than an album. Whoever said that really doesn't understand analog sound recordings.
if you are going to argue that vinyl is better than digital, you also have to take into consideration where the original sound came from and how it was recorded. almost ALL modern production techniques use digital recording for vocals, guitars, drums, and all of those digitally recorded sounds are ran through some sort of digital audio workstation. so right off the bat, all of those sounds are digital...pressing them into an analog surface (vinyl) wont magically make them analog again....
Just amazing.
Turntables FTW!
I ran out of characters so replied to my own reply - read my second reply for what I meant by the analogue quality. I can appreciate a loathing of poorly made vinyl, but analogue is not only vinyl so I hope you can appreciate my sat-in-the-middle argument for both analogue and digital as given in my second reply.
you're they should have a jig for that very critical bit of alignment!
a cueing lever is the safest way to set the needle down.
It's not about djing at all. For djing you are correct a direct drive unit is better, but for record playing with units shown in the video belts are smoother than direct drive and allow for the use of magnetic or quartz bearing drives. For pure audiophile playing belt drive s better. Also a well taken care of belt can last a very long time, and even so a belt is pretty inexpensive.
OMG! using eye power to align the tonearm and a RS component motor with its mounting "ear" cut.
B Keat There's absolutely nothing wrong with "eyeing up a component" I have worked in engineering for more than 25 years and I can tell you that a well trained eye can spot a mismatch in parts down to a couple of thou of an inch quite easily. Apart from that the azimuth is almost certainly adjustable on this tone arm.
@morrisonav : Do you really test your motors in "a test spin". Do you not have any bench at all to mesure vibrations ?
This is a masterpiece, but why not make with direct drive instead of belt?
Splendid.
Oh God - this guy who installing the analogwire from the Pickup burns the shrinktube wiht his soldering iron. damn!
good stuff. very satisfying to watch 1:21 to 1:48
LMAO! Seriously, that needs to be put above the comment section in every video!
This should be titled: How a shitty ass belt-drive turntable is made.
Show me how a real tt is made.
you can still touch all the atoms in analog, thats how some microscopes work with a thin piece of carbon fiber to read things too small to see for them.
I was brought here when I read my USB turntable's manual and it said "Us of controls, adjustments, or performance of procedures other than those specified may result in hazardous radiation exposure". I was hoping How it's Made would explain why turntables are nuclear powered.
Seriously, type "turntable"hazardous radiation exposure" " into Google and you'll find this is a common thing with USB turntables. I'm thinking it must have something to do with the aluminum alloy but cannot find information on what's making them radioactive or why it's there. Not as concerned as I am curious. Anyone have any idea why there's a risk of radiation exposure?
If it is a Crosley, that is the depleted uranium that got into the chinese pot metal... standard warning.
Otherwise, is there a CD player in the unit? If so, it is referring to laser radiation... if no CD player, then I suspect it is simply a generic warning overall.
the LP's/vinyl only wears out quitre quickly if the tonearm is not balanced properly which will chew the records and unless someone has a super imbalanced tonearm killing their records, wearing out a vinyl is very minimal at best, ive used and still have my vinyl records that are going on 10+ years of age and still sound and play exactaly perfect since the day i bought them, diamond tip styluses bring out the warmth and make the records sound much much better than any CD or MP3 ever could.
I should have mentioned that FRC is a robotics competition. We use all DC so we use solder. and electrician may not be the official term, but it is frequently used at our shop so i don't really care
fantastic device
I ran out of characters, so I'll add to what I said about analogue by pointing out that the audio quality in pure analogue is determined by the quality of the equipment only, but digital audio's maximum quality is determined when the analogue signal from an acoustic device is converted to digital, at which the signal can only degrade from poorer equipment for reproduction and reconversion to analogue
I have Vinyl Records, MP3 & wave files. I'd have to say Vinyl The Bass is deeper and sounds better than any of my Mp3s including all the 320Kb files. I actually can hear the artifacts on the digital files and sometimes it bugs the crap out of me. However, most people can't take care of Vinyl Records or even CDs for that matter, so eventually you will have Records that have scratches or just wear out over time resulting in pops and hiss which would mean for them it's better to have an MP3
It has to be a really bad press test for the MP3 to have better quality. Don't forget that physical formats deal with electric signals, and MP3 deal with digital format. Also don't forget that computers can't render curves (has seen on sine waves) 100% perfect. This should result in minimal artifacts.
MP3 is a lossy format, the compression gets rid of a spectrum of freqs. It's very unlikely for a 320kbps MP3 to have better quality than a LP, but it's not impossible.
Cheers.
You can actually create those sounds with analog-synthetisizers and also record the material you want to creat in an analog way :) Not saying that Tiesto should do that. Unfortunatly the digital-age have brought the era of limiters. These which make it possible to play the material louder, alot louder.. with the loss of sound quality. Making the sounds compete with eachother instead of interacting.
1- I think you are referring to the PRACTICAL limitations of analogue and not the TECHNICAL limitations. I agree that in practice, most of us use a digital solution nowadays , but that is because the industry adopted it for storage, distribution, cost and god knows what else. Most people think for example that digital tv and radio transmissions in practice are often poorer than the old analogue because of bandwidth and hardware limitations.
The process involved in engineering and cutting a vinyl record ensures this doesn't take place because the material is engineered correctly and there for can be reproduced accurately. This is appropriate dynamic range mastering and its what makes vinyl sound a fuck load better when done right than most digital material because you can't break the rules.
LOL
4:40
the VINYL test
the FINAL test
HAHAHAHA PUNS
I need that turntable in my life. Where can I get it and how much does it cost?
$7000
I think I'll get a Stanton instead.
There seems to be confusion in some viewers of the potential in Analogue data systems. Put simply, digital has predetermined, finite upper limit to its information saturation- analogue does not. Therefore if you could read the information stored in ever increasing detail, there still would be more to see.
@perpetualjon The sound wires are not exposed, they are all coated.
IF you want to get into general terms you would need a sample rate of 360Khz or better to replicate what can be put into a vinyl record. That's how much range is in a top end cutting solution.
I do love a good machine lathe video!
To be honest, I just have an Ion ITTUSB belt drive turntable and it does its job. I could buy a fancy fancy turntable but why bother? A turntable is not something to look at, its something that needs to be practical. Many people in this comment section mention how the presented turntable is badly designed, and I agree; the manufacturer went for the looks instead of practicality. There are hundreds of designs and quite frankly, whatever spins your record is good as long as you're happy with it.
+DJ Shuffle Have fun with your scratched up records after playing it on a cheap TT with a even cheaper stylus.
A turntable is a precision instrument, if you are looking for something practical you are in the wrong field.
The technology behind TT's havent change since the 60's.
So any good old 70's TT from japan is better than the new budget TT's out there today, and you can get these dirt cheap to! Maybe just change the belt and oil it up and its like new again.
very nice turntables, the tonearm is damn simple and yet so effective though I don't like using unipivots, they do sound good.
Like alot of others Im shocked he aligned the tonearm by eye. O also didnt like how he fed the wires back into the tonearm when he assembled it.
I will stick to my vintages tables from the 70s and 80s, when they actually cared about manufacturing
Now I know what brands I have to avoid....
Have you seen the wobble on the motor pulley (smooth running?) I thought that the wobble on my VPI was not so good, Ha ha. Not comparable to any Thorens I ever owned and that were at least 8!
and if you really want to complain, explain why the Technics 1200 MKII turntables are still world standard, explain why they are still pressing vinyl and people are buying, it's not because of hype.
using a diamond tip stylus doesnt automatically mean the records are going to last only 30 seconds, the diamond is rounded off, look at the Shure M44-7 cart, diamond tip stylus been using for 10+ years, and i have records that ive played for over those 10 years on the M44-7, and they play perfectly.
By the way, what is the brand name, and how much is this wonderful, super hi fi turntable, anyway?