Jason Bourne is a regular guy that can't fight.

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  • @whatisantilogic138
    @whatisantilogic138  2 года назад +149

    Finally got my health issues under control and I'm ready to drop consistent weekly videos. I thought this idea could apply to every spy, assassin or action franchise but the Bourne movies were the only ones that matched up this perfectly.

    • @SallyTheDon
      @SallyTheDon 2 года назад +5

      Glad to hear your health's good man. I love your content and always look forward to an upload. Lesssgooo

    • @loganmannke9023
      @loganmannke9023 2 года назад +5

      Miss you big homie, stay safe

    • @JoshMc420
      @JoshMc420 2 года назад +3

      Glad your doing okay. Please watch the apple TV show severance I'd like your insight and opinion on it.

    • @Sulla-ps3jv
      @Sulla-ps3jv 2 года назад

      Hope you’re doing better now.

    • @whatisantilogic138
      @whatisantilogic138  2 года назад +4

      @@JoshMc420 never heard of it. I'll check it out this week.

  • @MrJeffrey938
    @MrJeffrey938 2 месяца назад +4

    When we watch the Bourne films WE are Quaid paying to identify as the action hero and have a safe, deadly adventure. We want to come as close to delusion as we can get without permanently losing grip on our "normal" illusory ego story. I love movies and I love this channel. Thanks again, WhatisAntiLogic.

  • @HighStakesBBall
    @HighStakesBBall Год назад +6

    This is a masterpiece of movie rebooting. I had no idea they were the same story.

  • @BeetlejuiceX3-87
    @BeetlejuiceX3-87 Год назад +18

    The explosively stimulating euphoria from this content is making me lightheaded, please make more

  • @shalonsmith1337
    @shalonsmith1337 Год назад +6

    so instead of going to Mars, Bourne just chose to go back to the past to experience the 2000s. However, he still chose the secret agent DLC.
    Ahhh, It all makes so much sense

  • @burtemis1
    @burtemis1 2 года назад +104

    Could be butttttt I think this is more a case of Hollywood being creatively bankrupt.

    • @Tarumarugan
      @Tarumarugan 2 года назад +7

      There’s a term I can’t remember for when someone steals an idea without realizing it. Like you see the lion king as a child and it kinda lives in the back of your subconscious, and then when you’re 30 you write a story about anthropomorphic animals beating each other without the actual intent of ripping off the story. I think that’s what this is.

    • @pentelegomenon1175
      @pentelegomenon1175 2 года назад +10

      I see it more as imitating or copying successful things, like all those movies made shortly after Batman '89 that copy the exact same scene of the villain falling to his death.

    • @8301TheJMan
      @8301TheJMan 2 года назад +8

      You do knw that the Bourne movies were based on a book that came out in 1980 along with a first adaptation coming out later on in 1988. If anything "Total Recall" was a rip off to the Bounre franchise.

    • @capnnukasun810
      @capnnukasun810 Год назад

      i know right? Give me a self-congratulatory art film over an engaging action movie any day.

    • @salT321
      @salT321 Год назад

      lol we'll said, or just the greedy leeches we all know it to be

  • @tannerymj
    @tannerymj Год назад +2

    Thanks for always revealing the books that share the same premise.

  • @bmanguru
    @bmanguru Год назад +5

    Dude I just watched your fight club video, and now I'm here. Total Recall is one of my fave movies, I'm only 1:30 in the video but the way you bought up facts in the fight club vid let's me know this is going to be fiyah!. I f*x with this channel! Can't wait to go through your library duder!

  • @bolo2393
    @bolo2393 Год назад +7

    Total recall is actually the commercial for the "recall" company. The implanted memory starts when the movie starts. In fact I think that the Arnold look is part of the package because the line "what's the same about all of your vacations? You"
    So his body and wife and life are all part of the implanted memory. We never see the real Quaid because it would be the same for everyone that signs up.

  • @earthdog7900
    @earthdog7900 Год назад +9

    If it is a memory, it is not a choose your own adventure story. A memory is something he is looking back at. All the choices have already been made. He could not join the bad guys in his memory.

  • @yaimavol
    @yaimavol Год назад +1

    Manchurian Candidate was the first film to explore this theme, but what you need to realize is that it is not fiction. Robert Ludlum was former CIA. He got the idea for the Bourne books from his work with the agency. Bourne is an assassin personality that can be "called up" on command if you know the right code words.

  • @IrocReborn
    @IrocReborn Год назад +19

    They explain those two points in the series. They try to kill him because 1. He failed 2. He hasn’t made contact in two weeks so they think he turned 3. The African guy Bourne is tasked to kill goes to the press about an assassination attempt 4. They think he possibly turned. As far as Jason Bourne being the best is addressed in Ultimatum and the Jeremy Renner one. His genetics best adapted to the training program and so he became the base model for the next evolution of the program.

    • @TheDoorspook11c
      @TheDoorspook11c Год назад +3

      Also, we see parts of his personnel file. He is a Captain in Special Forces prior to Treadstone. So he technically could have been Delta Force , but he definitely had the time to get good and then be chemically enhanced to be better than humanly possible.

  • @kiprandom7208
    @kiprandom7208 2 года назад +18

    I never noticed the similarities before. They may be the same story but I'll still enjoy the hell out of both

  • @robkoper841
    @robkoper841 Год назад +4

    1) Why does he have these abilities? The Treadstone techniques attempt to destroy or modify the person's identity and /or personality and overlay it with a more useful one, using techniques like waterboarding and sleep deprivation. After the personality is a "blank slate", they build the asset back up with intensive training. It is also implied that Bourne/Webb was a 'proof of concept', and so they were very careful and thorough with him. His recruitment was also (at least in the book) a kind of 'perfect storm', he is constantly referred to as either one of their best assets, or the best asset they have. In that way, he is exactly like John Wick.
    2) Why would they hunt him down? Because the aforementioned conditioning and training makes him *extremely* disciplined, controllable, and predictable for his handlers, the idea that he is doing things "off the plan" and not checking in is enough for them to push the panic button ("Assistant: Why did he leave the gun?!? Is it some sort of message? Conklin: I DON'T KNOW.") At one point one of them basically says they have lost control of a multi-million -dollar weapon. As to why this happened, his near-death experience in the sea was probably a reverse-waterboarding; it wiped the slate clean again. And when you starting finding out about yourself in the third person, and find out you killed people for a living, it throws you for a loop.
    Soyes, there is a reason he's like that. And, yes, there is a reason they want him taken out.

  • @lndintw
    @lndintw 2 года назад +8

    Bro you either spying on me or RUclips is lol because this whole week I was watching all Bourne movies and as I type this I’m currently watching the 2015 Bourne movie right now. Glad to see you back though bro.

  • @salamangkali-allmartialart4836
    @salamangkali-allmartialart4836 2 года назад +18

    We know Bourne's past is forreal because a government investigation into his past reveals all of it to be true. His past as a member of Delta Force would explain his skill level even if his Treadstone training wasn't shown. Nicky, his ex-girlfriend, also confirms his past to be true, and by the time of the fourth movie, we no longer have any reason to believe any of Bourne's memories are false, as even flashbacks of his father's murder are truthful.

    • @draco_1876
      @draco_1876 2 года назад +1

      No

    • @palehorse24681
      @palehorse24681 Год назад +4

      @@draco_1876 tf do you mean, no? Damned troll. Its all in the movies. Maker of the video just wants to stick to just the first movie because he whole theory falls apart quick if you just watch the other 2 movies that fallow the Bourne identity.

    • @BigSmiley0TV
      @BigSmiley0TV Год назад +3

      @@palehorse24681 well if it is an implanted memory it doesn't matter what we see happening in the other movies, because it would just be further explained as a continuation of the implanted memory. Nothing you see is outside of bournes mind, as it would all be a bought and paid for fantasy, and would only end when bourne wakes up, and realizes he isn't Jason Bourne but some joe schmo who paid for a dream of a different life as a vacation. He even explains it as the sequels possibly being that the real person could've gone back and paid for more fantasy memories from the Total Recall Corporation. That is all part of the question with Arnold as well, in that the movie asks if anything going on is real or part of a fantasy inside his head while he has gone into a colma, with the fantasy still playing out. So say someone chooses mars and chooses secret agent mode, then it would be like Arnold's "trip", while maybe someone chooses European/Middle East sight seeing tour with secret fantasy mode, then their "trip" might look like Jason Bourne but none of it happens outside of their head as it's just implanted false memories

  • @MisterGames
    @MisterGames Год назад +1

    We remember it 1966
    Joson bourne book 1 in 1980
    Total recall 1990

  • @johnlloyddy7016
    @johnlloyddy7016 Год назад +2

    Well, since Robert Ludlum wrote the Bourne series back in the 80s way before Total Recall came out of the theaters. You could argue that it was Total Recall that's actually copying the plot of Bourne Identity. There even was a TV mini series back in 1988 starring Richard Chamberlain as Jason Bourne. I've read all the books and watched the TV mini series back in the late 80s. And the original plot was that Bourne a Vietnam veteran was recruited by Treadmill to go deep undercover as an assassin to flush out a dangerous international terrorist assassin named Carlos the Jackal, but in the middle of the mission, he was shot and lost his memory. But the Matt Damon movie versions however took liberties with the plot and retconned the character into a genetically engineered killing machine, so maybe the film producers might have ripped off that idea from somewhere else, like Blade Runner or the Hitman Agent 47 video games.

  • @BrockLee3
    @BrockLee3 2 года назад +9

    What's the first thing I think of when I hear "Jason Bourne?" Freaking SHAKEY-CAM!
    During every fight: SHAKE SHAKE!!! During every car-chase scene: SHAKE SHAKE!
    ME: "What the FAAACK is happening? I can't see shizeh!"

    • @ScottAlanBecker38
      @ScottAlanBecker38 7 месяцев назад

      Are you gonna be OK?

    • @BrockLee3
      @BrockLee3 7 месяцев назад

      Yeah! Once the shakey cam stops.@@ScottAlanBecker38

  • @urahara64360
    @urahara64360 2 года назад +7

    This definitely could work without the Bourne sequels.

    • @gonhunter3994
      @gonhunter3994 8 месяцев назад

      The "sequels" weren't made by the og director

  • @killaken2000
    @killaken2000 Год назад +6

    I don't know if it's true or not but I like the idea of thinking outside the box especially when the essayist concedes that they could be totally wrong and are just having fun.

  • @mandydecosta180
    @mandydecosta180 2 года назад +45

    I've been an active subscriber a long time now and dude u deserve more subscribers. Love the way your mind works, how well researched and well said your videos are. Awesome

  • @ITz2NDNATURE
    @ITz2NDNATURE 2 года назад +2

    Genius 💯‼️

  • @MidTierVillain
    @MidTierVillain 2 года назад +3

    Jason Bourne is more like the operatives(The Minute Men) in 100Bullets.. The Minute Men were put to “sleep”, where they’d need a code word to be awakened. A very amazing comic book I hope gets adapted to a movie, or a series with good backing & director behind it.

  • @osmbsmy.706
    @osmbsmy.706 Год назад +4

    The joke edit inserts are pretty stupendous. Great production sir.

  • @palerider1979
    @palerider1979 2 года назад +2

    Bruv been waiting on your videos! Love your logic mate!

  • @truegodz169
    @truegodz169 2 года назад +2

    Happy u back G

  • @raksh9
    @raksh9 Год назад

    I religiously watch your content, and regularly go back to rewatch old ones. So how did I miss this one? This is one of your best observations yet.

  • @TheRetroEngine
    @TheRetroEngine Год назад

    It won't be a CYOA book format, because the memories are put in there. They're a line of memories from start to end, the recipient has no choice in the way the memories do or have played out. Some great ideas here, and unique if I'm not mistaken.

  • @gcooper642
    @gcooper642 2 года назад +4

    Aye, it's the plot to something, but it's not the Bourne Identity. He was a totally different person in the book.

  • @charlespuruncajas9663
    @charlespuruncajas9663 2 года назад +7

    Great to see you come back. Any thoughts on any movie from the Mad Max series?

  • @thedude5295
    @thedude5295 2 года назад +10

    I don't understand how you still only have 75k subscribers. One of these days the algorithm is going to bless you and you'll blow up man. Hopefully you start putting out content more regularly like you said you wanted to and your channel will get the attention it deserves.

    • @whatisantilogic138
      @whatisantilogic138  2 года назад +3

      I just need to get consistent with making videos every week.

    • @thedude5295
      @thedude5295 2 года назад +2

      @@whatisantilogic138 Looking forward to it man. Good luck.

  • @buckaroobill3077
    @buckaroobill3077 2 года назад +1

    Haven't seen you in a hot minute. Saw your Jeepers Creepers video and fell in love with your content.

  • @nathanxxvii
    @nathanxxvii 2 года назад

    It's just a total recall sequel... Brilliant.

    • @Cyril29a
      @Cyril29a Год назад

      And the Marian is just the fake memory implanted in Bourne so he thinks he went to Mars

  • @chrismcmillan3320
    @chrismcmillan3320 2 года назад

    Dude I love your videos so much

  • @bloodpuke4146
    @bloodpuke4146 Год назад +1

    Your content never fails to surprise me with it’s validity. I always start off thinking your ideas are preposterous but am left thinking “My god…he’s right.” lol

  • @ricksmith7490
    @ricksmith7490 2 года назад +1

    Love your channel

  • @enriquecabrera2137
    @enriquecabrera2137 29 дней назад

    The Bourne movies need a sequel with a Quatto

  • @donpatterson1188
    @donpatterson1188 2 года назад +2

    The only thing about total recall being false memories is scenes from the other characters point of view

  • @tauronalexander5052
    @tauronalexander5052 Год назад +1

    This content is amazing! You need to work for a movie studio

  • @baustin11111
    @baustin11111 Год назад

    Dude, how did I just find you? This is awesome, and the fight club one was incredible. Subscribed and looking forward to more

  • @CMDR_Verm
    @CMDR_Verm Год назад

    Being a big fan of Philip K. Dick I'd accept your ''theory'' in a second. If you could convince my wife to do the same I'd say you are a miracle worker. Great video and good luck!

  • @DrKrapulax
    @DrKrapulax 20 дней назад

    It's a fun theory but in Total Recall we see things happen to the protagonist when he's unconscious that he of course doesn't perceive or remember, which makes no sense if all of it was just a memory implant, so either what happens is real and he's really a secret agent, or the director has made some huge mistakes.

  • @ericpeterson8732
    @ericpeterson8732 Год назад +11

    Recall is the difference. Quaid went to recall and that's when the stuff hit the fan. Bourne's amnesia is trauma induced; first by the ethical dilemma of shooting a kid, then by getting shot and nearly drowning. He begins to recover his memories, not because of some memory vacation, but the harder way through more trauma. Yes, there are similarities between the two plots, mostly because the Bourne Identity is the kind of spy thriller story that Recall was selling to its clients. That's it. Most importantly, the Bourne Identity is based off a series of spy thriller books with no twist involved. But nice try. I agree with you on Fight Club, but this theory's all wet.

    • @ericpeterson8732
      @ericpeterson8732 Год назад +3

      Finished the video. Yeah, the story beats are quite similar. Perhaps Total Recall writers read the Bourne Identity book and were influenced by it. And the reason they didn't get sued was because they added the Phillip Dick elements. The original short story was mostly about implanted memories, not amnesia. Total Recall went through 16 revisions before it finally got finished. The writers were fans of Robert Ludlum and based the spy story off of Bourne. It's about adaptation. That's all. Bourne is closer to the book and Total Recall is loosely based on We Can Remember It for You Wholesale.

  • @calumblair8199
    @calumblair8199 Год назад

    Would have left a smart comment if I could. This channel and it’s thoughts are lives ahead of me. Thought better of it and can only say, ‘Wow!’.

  • @adriancimpoi8765
    @adriancimpoi8765 Год назад

    I never thought of it that way! But I still like your No country for old men more, because, well, I like No country for old men more!

  • @franzhaas5597
    @franzhaas5597 Год назад

    They're both books written by very popular authors One writer writes about espionage in most of his books. The other author writes books about how the world may not be real. In conclusion both authors write about the perception of what's real and what's not and what to believe in what not to believe.

  • @T0MAND3RSON
    @T0MAND3RSON Год назад

    'Long kiss goodnight' too.

  • @jordancorley828
    @jordancorley828 2 года назад

    Great video and wishing you goid health

  • @freelancenerd4804
    @freelancenerd4804 2 года назад

    Interesting view! Great video.

  • @Off-Brand_Devin
    @Off-Brand_Devin Год назад +2

    The similarities are interesting, but I think there's an in-universe reason why Treadstone wants to put down Jason Bourne. It's been a while since I watched it, so bear with me. I assume Treadstone thinks he's dead after he fails to kill his target and doesn't return. When he does turn up again, they would assume he's gone rogue since he didn't kill the target. I suppose they would be right on that. They don't know about his amnesia, so they would think he might compromise the entire Treadstone program. So, Jason is a loose end they need to tie up.

  • @doubtsalmon
    @doubtsalmon 2 года назад +1

    Everything is the exact same identical story if you ignore every single difference.

  • @randallemerson4446
    @randallemerson4446 Год назад

    This is great

  • @jaodasilva7993
    @jaodasilva7993 9 месяцев назад

    The music is kinda loud here in this video. But perfect as always.

  • @markmeyer1076
    @markmeyer1076 2 года назад

    Maybe the Recall program is used to create new secret agents by inputting new memories and making the new memories seem more real than the real memories?

  • @phillipj1135
    @phillipj1135 Месяц назад

    So I posit that in total recall they never loss control of Quade in tell near the end. the secret agent stuff happened to provide a extra layer of theater for the telepathic leader they were trying to get at. I haven't watched the movie in a while honestly so if that was made bluntly clear by one of the bad guys then my apologies.

  • @boneappletea3858
    @boneappletea3858 Год назад +1

    I wonder how many trips to Reddit it took to discover this lol

  • @Jundarippa
    @Jundarippa 2 года назад +3

    I can see it.. now, do The Long Kiss Goodnight, please and thank you.

  • @goldeneastgun
    @goldeneastgun Год назад

    It's kinda like how a falafel wrap is essentially a burrito with mediterranean ingredients. Sure, the details vary, but conceptually... it's the same thing.

  • @mex-shot2976
    @mex-shot2976 Год назад

    I think that he isn’t known because he’s in secret program and he is such a threat that if he’s on your side he could any time switch teams and turn against you

  • @mr.brandonbusyhorrifyingpa6571
    @mr.brandonbusyhorrifyingpa6571 2 года назад

    I hope you upload daily

  • @AG-en5y
    @AG-en5y 2 года назад

    🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @asceticblur
    @asceticblur Год назад

    The biggest question in both the film and the novel is if you had a choice between reality and the fantasy, why wouldn't you choose the fantasy?

  • @modnarer
    @modnarer 2 года назад

    I honestly think if this had been titled "Douglas Quaid would Destroy jason boourne in a fight" or "Conan destroys Bourne and Aliens and Saves Mars from the Umbrella Corp"

  • @albertking112
    @albertking112 Год назад

    Deep

  • @RoyaltyFreeVideoClips
    @RoyaltyFreeVideoClips Год назад

    The fight scenes really pissed me off with the shaking of the camera

  • @unicron24
    @unicron24 2 года назад

    word...

  • @TheTylerRobison
    @TheTylerRobison Год назад

    Very convincing.

  • @Norp-i7m
    @Norp-i7m Год назад

    Total Bournecall

  • @chrisnorton2356
    @chrisnorton2356 Год назад

    He's playing the same character he played in Dogma. The angel of death, refusing his place and turning against God. John Wick is the same thing.

  • @JonBowe
    @JonBowe 2 года назад +2

    The Bourne Identity Book, is nothing like the movie, apart from his name and waking up in the sea.
    The same can go for the original Total Recall.
    But as Zach Burt mentioned on his comments, it is a case of ''Hollywood being creatively bankrupt''.

    • @pentelegomenon1175
      @pentelegomenon1175 2 года назад

      Total Recall is quite different from the story but it has a large amount of superficial similarities, unlike the remake which has basically no similarities at all.

  • @Wheres_the_money_lebowski
    @Wheres_the_money_lebowski Год назад

    I think total recall wasn't in Quaid's head, the fact that there are several scenes without him in them would discount the implant theory.

  • @callisoncaffrey
    @callisoncaffrey Год назад

    Your mental gymnastics make even me jealous. Me being jelly gets a like.

  • @bruisedhelmet8819
    @bruisedhelmet8819 2 года назад

    Someone will have to edit Jason Bourne as Total Recall Part 2, 3,... etc.

  • @J0MBi
    @J0MBi Год назад

    Good video, but with Bourne I put this one down to screen writers reusing the same beats story over and over. I lost track of how many "spy with amnesia" stories I've seen now. Total Recall is a cut above this because it gives you enough story to question whether anything you're seeing is real or not. The scene on Mars when the representive of Rekall shows up has some intresting implications though - why would they put *THAT* in a false memory they are selling?

  • @nonyabiz9340
    @nonyabiz9340 Год назад

    Fortune favors the bold

  • @torresroger26
    @torresroger26 Год назад

    🤯

  • @slickrick75150
    @slickrick75150 Год назад

    Omg!!!

  • @DerekScottOHara
    @DerekScottOHara Месяц назад

    This is a cool theory

  • @doubtsalmon
    @doubtsalmon 2 года назад

    Tenuous.

  • @seeker6755
    @seeker6755 2 года назад

    Jason Bourne Is Just a Guy Created by the Matrix to be played as an Entertainment, I mean his character was changed entirely from Matt Damon to Jeremy Rener then rebooted again to matt damon.

  • @natonlindo
    @natonlindo Год назад +1

    My 1st video... new subscriber.
    🇯🇲

  • @palehorse24681
    @palehorse24681 Год назад

    Pretty sure they went over this in the first and second movie where they did say it was the first, meaning he'd been doing the job longer than the other ones. Experience counts for a lot...just saying.

  • @encognitusmaximus7598
    @encognitusmaximus7598 2 года назад

    I like the idea. But, they have the spin-off The Bourne Legacy with Jeremy Renner. He's a different operative from an advanced program stemming from Bourne's OG program. Unless it's and updated (2.0) memory implant where you are even more advanced, semi-connected with the Bourne character and your named Aaron Cross.

  • @zill9116
    @zill9116 Год назад

    The book total recall is based on didn't ask the question "is any of it real?". That's what the book is about. I turned the video off at this point.

  • @thezieg
    @thezieg 10 месяцев назад

    Jason Bourne is a Mary Sue! 😂

  • @taketheredpill1452
    @taketheredpill1452 Год назад +1

    Millionaire Playboy, please and thank you

  • @metatronblack
    @metatronblack 2 года назад +2

    🙂

  • @nolongerhuman13
    @nolongerhuman13 Год назад

    GOOD EYE!

  • @thomascrownrg
    @thomascrownrg 2 года назад

    Hmmm...Very interesting!

  • @luizferrarezzi
    @luizferrarezzi Год назад

    people on the industry creates movies ideias from the silliest things. maybe the responsible for this was high and was like "im just going to make total recal without the simulation part" and there you go

  • @kludgedude
    @kludgedude Год назад

    It’s all in your head

  • @Show4224
    @Show4224 Год назад

    Is this why James Bond can get changed out so often?

  • @zedorda1337
    @zedorda1337 Год назад +1

    Nice you just left out the fact that in Total Recall he never got the secret agent memory implant. Because if you had included it this would all sound so dam stupid.

  • @chaosnewman
    @chaosnewman Год назад

    Doesn’t it in The Bourne Legacy (the one with Jeremy Renner) there was the spy pills that made the agents smarter

  • @ericgaskins571
    @ericgaskins571 9 месяцев назад

    Great, who in Hollywood do i see about getting a refund for selling me the same movie twice?

  • @ZeroOmega-vg8nq
    @ZeroOmega-vg8nq Год назад

    Biurne legacy kinda puts this theory into a problem since why would a seperate memory implant even mention jason to renners character in his memory?

  • @lovinv08
    @lovinv08 2 года назад

    Where u been bruh

  • @hermask815
    @hermask815 Год назад

    Should I be angry to have being fed the same story twice ? Or are there enough differences that it’s ok?

  • @danielguedes702
    @danielguedes702 Год назад

    "Sly and subversive" Time Out