King’s dislike of Kubrick’s movie was very personal. The book is partially inspired my King’s own struggle with alcoholism and domestic abuse. He never hit his wife or kids from what I understand, but he did get wasted, go into rages, wreck stuff, and basically terrorize his family. His wife almost took the kids and left him, but decided to stay and help him get treatment and eventually get well. He actually dedicated the whole first edition run of The Shining to his wife. Hence the father’s eventual redemption in the books is a really big deal to him and Jack dying still a bastard in the movie upset him. That said, you and many others are right. The movie is much scarier and can be argued to actually have a better story. Kubrick’s Shining for me is the ultimate example of a movie being a terrible adaptation but still being a great film.
Such narcissism on King's part. He thinks if the audience hates Jack, then we must hate him. No one would even know it's based on him if he hadn't said anything. But he had to go make a horrible tv version because he needed others approval, to prove he wasn't a bad guy. Wasn't enough that his wife forgave him & stayed.
Maybe that was intended because he, (King himself.) wasn't completely over the problem in recovering from it. I read the second book Dr. Sleep and it was kind of the answer to what he got out of being sober. In this Book, the son Daniel is the main character.
In a word… no. The pictures on the walls, the furniture and decor change, rearrange and sometimes disappear all together as you progress through the film. The hedge maze isn’t present in the opening shots of the hotel and only appears later as a parallel to the Overlook hotel itself. Certain windows and rooms are impossible. In the Torrance apartment for example, there are two windows which couldn’t exist since the bathroom window that Danny and Wendy escape through is in the middle of the long flat front of the hotel. Stanley Kubrick did this on purpose to illustrate that the hotel is not as it appears. It is a labyrinth just like the hedge maze, but it changes people. It plays head games, it offers people what they desire and shows them what they’re afraid of. It tempts people to shirk responsibility and do terrible things to others. If they play along, then they lose touch with reality, get lost and end up being consumed by the malevolent forces of the Overlook hotel, but if they resist, if they work and focus on truth and survival, then they can escape like Danny and Wendy. The Shining is a million miles deep and the only things that are certain about the movie is that it’s full of coded messages, numeric cyphers, character parallels with religious and mythological figures, poetic allegories of good & evil, heaven & hell and some disgusting secrets about Stephen Kings real life. No single explanation can accurately convey “What The Shining is Really About.” Stanley Kubrick made sure of that.
Interesting analysis, to me the real genius of this movie is that even after nearly 40 years it's still able to generate conversation regarding it's meaning, truly a remarkable film.
"the characters are the same" The main reason King doesn't like the Kubrick movie is because of how much less likeable Jack is in the beginning of the movie vs. the book. They're absolutely not the same character.
As King said, Kubrick's version was great at being a horror movie, but it wasn't his story. After watch both the movie and the miniseries. I agree that Kubrick's version is a really good film on its own, but it has no business being a film adaptation of a novel that was already ahead of it's time.
@@synahaze9447 yeah I love both versions, but I honesty feel like they are different stories and also I’m glad that dr sleep pleased Kubrick fans and gave the book it’s true ending with the hotel burning down
This is the best Shining explanation I've heard. As someone who is a little like Jack, this really hits the nail on the head for me. I've struggled with substance abuse from my late teens till now (I'm 44) And the many talks I've had with councillors tell me that I have problems with responsibility, so this theory rings true. I'm married with 3 lovely children but the responsibility is a very real daily struggle with me. I'm not a wife or child beater (and have no respect for anyone that does) but the pressures of family life are incredibly hard, especially if you have a history of drink or drugs. I haven't relapsed for a year now but every single day is a struggle so The Shining has always felt a little personal to me. I look forward to the second part of this but just wanted to say I really appreciate your work!!!
The best thing you can do is stop trying to control things or live up to society's standards. You shouldn't feel pressure in a family. It should be everyone working together, not placing sole responsibility on one person.
Interviewer: How do you see the main character of Jack in The Shining? Kubrick: Jack comes to the hotel psychologically prepared to do its murderous bidding. He doesn't have very much further to go for his anger and frustration to become completely uncontrollable. He is bitter about his failure as a writer. He is married to a woman for whom he has only contempt. He hates his son. In the hotel, at the mercy of its powerful evil, he is quickly ready to fulfill his dark role. Interviewer: So you don't regard the apparitions as merely a projection of his mental state? Kubrick: For the purposes of telling the story, my view is that the paranormal is genuine. Jack's mental state serves only to prepare him for the murder, and to temporarily mislead the audience. Interviewer: And when the film has finished? What then? Kubrick: I hope the audience has had a good fright, has believed the film while they were watching it, and retains some sense of it. The ballroom photograph at the very end suggests the reincarnation of Jack. Interviewer: In the case of The Shining, were you attracted first by the subject of ESP, or just by Stephen King's novel? Kubrick: I've always been interested in ESP and the paranormal. In addition to the scientific experiments which have been conducted suggesting that we are just short of conclusive proof of its existence, I'm sure we've all had the experience of opening a book at the exact page we're looking for, or thinking of a friend a moment before they ring on the telephone. But The Shining didn't originate from any particular desire to do a film about this. The manuscript of the novel was sent to me by John Calley, of Warner Bros. I thought it was one of the most ingenious and exciting stories of the genre I had read. It seemed to strike an extraordinary balance between the psychological and the supernatural in such a way as to lead you to think that the supernatural would eventually be explained by the psychological: "Jack must be imagining these things because he's crazy". This allowed you to suspend your doubt of the supernatural until you were so thoroughly into the story that you could accept it almost without noticing.
"The Shining" is a great film, and Kubrick was a great director, but this quote explains why Stephen King hated the film. I always thought that in the movie, it wasn't that big of a leap for Jack Torrence to become a homicidal maniac out to kill his wife and son. This quote confirms this. But the central horror of the book is that for all of Jack Torrence's faults, he GENUINELY loves his wife and son. That a SYMPATHETIC father ultimately becomes a killer is the root of the book's horror, but that is absent from the movie.
@@desynch6555 ya know I never thought about that I only thought about the whole redrum being murder backwards but that would make sense that it's also a reference to his alcohol problems on top of that
@C R So he's so completely insane that he thinks he's walking around swigging a bottle of whiskey and gets fake drunk? It's just coincidence that he loses his mind in the same place that another guy murdered his family and where his son sees horrible images of that guy's dead daughters? You can say viewers are able to make up their own minds, you can do whatever you like but to me what you say sounds ridiculous and an overreach. It's a pretty straightforward movie, especially for Kubrick. He appears in the 1920s photo at the end of the movie. If it was all in his head, that would be pretty weak writing, the common simpler interpretation of the movie is way better.
@Phineas Facing Forward Ghostly phenomena isn't a hallucination.. The booze is real. In the novel, Wendy wonders why Jack smells of bourbon.. End of discussion!
The Shining isn’t a movie about ghosts and hauntings but a film about the breakout success of a fledgling writer. As we see from the beginning Jack is “outlining a new writing project” which begins the alternating of scenes from reality to Jacks fiction writing. Early in the film dozens of clues are dropped as we see Jack absorbing many ideas of which will be twisted and placed in his novel. An easy giveaway is that (20:43) Jack notices the burgundy jacket on the in-season caretaker during the beginning of his tour whom is cleaning a shelf in the main lobby. We also know a maze doesn’t exist at the Colorado hotel (note all the wide shots without the maze), and outside we see a man carting wood with the maze in the shot which switches to a man carting luggage with the maze out of the shot. The Playgirl article turns from sexual abuse of children to physical abuse in Jack’s adaptation. We also see the large statue in the main lobby in reality which disappears during all fictional scenes. We see a light switch just outside the pantry doors during reality, which disappears during fiction. We see Koolaide during fiction and none in reality, even the early moments when Danny talks to Tony and the doctor visits and talks of the accident was all apart of Jack’s novel outlining. It’s only when Jack dawns the burgundy jacket do we finally get trapped into Jack’s story completely. The cook has a poster above his bed while he is enjoying his time off in Florida, however the poster disappears when he is “shining”, again just another scene from Jack’s novel. Danny didn’t shine in reality, nor did the cook, just an amazing plot surrounded by an array of subplots! The changing of different age daughters to twins and from Charles to Delbert were Jack’s take on creative license. Also Jack choosing to allow the family to escape was a way of Jack writing a more redeeming conclusion to a hotel tragedy that had little redeeming quality. Kubrick was in fact a genius, and Jack must have been a very successful writer post novel, kind of like Steven King? No wonder Steven King hated this movie, I feel like Kubrick wrote Steven right into his own screenplay since he hated kings version anyway. Also note: if we view this film in a linear fashion and take the film at face value (sure it’s epic) we’d have to concede that Stanly Kubrick was one of the worst continuity directors of all time, and we know that’s not the case.
That intro is truly hypnotizing with both the music and the way the film clips are synced. I could just watch that over and over. Well done dude; clearly you are a magician
I'd kubrick wanted us to know it was definitely ghosts, he'd of said as much. What makes the movie interesting and spooky, is that it's vague enough to make it logical for it to be ghosts or for it to be just people.
Kubrick said of The Shining: "A story of the supernatural cannot be taken appart and analysed too closely. The ultimate test of it's rationale is whether it is good enough to raise the hairs on the back of the your neck." In the same interview with Michael Ciment: So dont you regard the apparations as merely a projection of his (Jack Torrence), mental state?: "For the purposes of telling the story, my view is that the paranormal is genuine. Jack's mental state serves only to prepare him for murder, and to temporarily mislead the audience." If you believe the apparations are Jack's visions then you have been misled hence why the unlocking of the food storeroom door is key to prove the existance of the paranormal/ghosts.
I always believed that Danny opened the door. I still do. This is the story of a son who kills his father....not of a man who kills his wive and son. Think about it. It is a masterpiece.
"Jack too likes to play with toys inside of the house, talk to his imaginary friend, is afraid of scary ghosts and likes to wander the halls exploring the Overlook Hotel." One, who wouldn't be afraid of the old lady or the twins in a Hotel you think has only 3 people in it? And two, who honestly wouldn't walk around the Hotel and explore a bit? You're there all winter, may as well get familiar with it. And Jack does not have telekinesis. It's an interesting theory, but it's one I can't agree with.
One thing I don't get is why the hotel is closed for the winter. It's located in the mountains with loads of snow. It would make a fortune being a host to all those people enjoying winter sports.
Cool theory, but according to Kubrick and King...the ghosts are real. I’ll grant that art is in the eye of the beholder...interpretations are subjective...but this one is pretty thin, IMO. The two master creators of the two projects (King the author...Kubrick the filmmaker) both have stated unequivocally that there are ghosts. For me, that’s a full stop.
You know? How irritating would it be if you created something, literally spell out the meaning to people in plain words, and then they still try and twist to what they want instead?
It's like I almost want to become an artist, then expain my art, and tell anyone that their opinion is incorrect and invalid when it comes to my property.
MastaSmack That’s basically what’s happening here 😆. I suppose it doesn’t really matter, not in the grand scheme of things...but I do wonder if some people truly have that much interest in the topic, that he or she would devote a large amount of time not only expressing the idea, but doing so with a carefully crafted video essay. “My reasons why the most successful author of the last 100 years and the acclaimed director who adapted his story to an Academy Award-winning film are both wrong.” 🙄 😝
Personally, I think most stories are best, when there aren't definitive answers. Being able to see other angles in a film are what make it rewatchable.
Reject the fashionable relativist canard that “art is subjective” and is “in the eye of the beholder.” Read E.F. Schumacher’s A Guide for the Perplexed, along with the work of Roger Scruton.
"All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy" is a proverb. It means that without time off from work, a person becomes both bored and boring. I think Kubrik wanted us to recognize this, since the second part is " All work and no play makes Jack a *mere toy* " meaning he was doing the bidding of the Hotel/ghosts
One theory is that Jack is actually a lone caretaker who was never married and the movie is supposed to be one of the stories he writes while he's taking care of the hotel by himself. A clue is when Danny and Wendy are kneeling and hugging on the floor in front of Jack's writing desk. The camera angle is set up perfectly so it looks like they are a page coming from the typewriter, suggesting they are merely fictional characters in Jack's story. All the plot holes and mysteries can be explained by Jack's amateur writing abilities. When Jack gets freed by Grady you don't need a theory about ghosts and alter-egos to explain it-- it was just the lazy writing of a lonely caretaker trying to make a horror story.
This is an interesting theory, and probably not far off from actually being the true story as Jack is probably the fictional version of Stephen King. I think there are many levels at which this can be viewed, because it's like a fictional story within a fictional story within a fictional story, all written in cryptic ways. Probably most of the fan theories of this film are actually correct to some extent.
Plus, he's NOT looking at a mirror the first time he talks to Delbert. He's just stepped away from the bar, and both he & Grady avoid bumping into a woman, when Grady spills the Advocaat on him. Also, Antilogic seems to think Delbert Grady & Horace Derwent are the same actor/character...
exactly. She sees a man in a dog suit about to take care of one of the guests, the entire ballroom area covered in cobwebs and skeletons everwhere, not to mention the elevator of blood. Not to mention Jack getting out of the locked cooler
I used to work in a factory with a huge fridge with similar door to the pantry,do you see the door knob Jack trying to open? That’s an emergency exit that you need to push very very hard
@@TougeWarrior93 except that there's a sliding bolt lock as well, for no good reason. By "no good reason" I mean that it could only be there to counter the safety exit, which in turn is there to save lives.
Masterfully done. I’ve learned quite a lot from this! Additionally, before wearing red, it’s not just non-red worn on Jack. Most of the clothing on he and his wife are green. In fact, all of jack’s shirts beforehand are one shade of green or another - whether light or dark. Biblically, green represents abundance. And growth. Also, green on the colour wheel is the polar opposite of red. Red, a primary colour. Green, a secondary.
Fascinating, and a great intro to your channel; instantly hooked. Was recommended because I'd been watching Chris Stuckman. Looking forward to part two here in a minute, your analysis and theories are really interesting and well delivered!
King's book is a supernatural thriller with some psychological elements involved. Kubrick's movie is a psychological thriller that makes you question if there are supernatural elements causing the horror. VERY different stories. I think Kubrick, correctly, chose to use the psychotic breaks of Jack (and possibly Wendy and Danny) to create the tension and hallucinations that appear throughout the movie. It hints at the underlining abuse (physical, psychological, and likely sexual) at what is helping to drive this psychosis.
the ghosts / super natural stuff is all just a red herring subterfuge- the film is really about dv and in cest, the hotel is a family home. jack is an abusive alcoholic wife beater, but he also r 's his son, thats the filty dark dirty secret, horror is b grade not high art, kubrick dont do b grade cheap thrills. he does high art.
He broke his son's arm by accident in the book. I can't remember reading any clues about him doing what you are suggesting he did. Can you give some context to what you are saying?
@@lewisisdaman i havent read the book its irrelevant to the film, there are stacks of clues all through the film- why would a little boy with no physical ailments be in a state the way danny is? as i say horror is vapid not high art, where as dv addiction and r within families is a very very heavy dark real topic, a REAL LIFE HORROR. kubrick is a sublime genius who makes amazing profound films, hes not gonna make a film about ghosts in a haunted house ffs.
I really enjoy that you made a theory focusing on Jacks shining ability! It is heavily hinted that he does shine in the book, and i actually havent seen anyone present the argument that the storeroom door opening can be part of said ability :)
I've watched this film countless times and thought I understood it - until now. My tiny mind is BLOWN! WOW, thank you, I can't wait to watch it again now from a whole new perspective.
@Firstname Lastname I am not saying that this is factually how to interpret the Shining, rather, I am explaining the theory that AntiLogic is trying to present in his two videos, which offer an interesting and novel take on this film. AntiLogic is making the point that Jack's "fractured mind" had spawned the conversations with Grady...essentially the theory is that he's talking to himself as he looks into a mirror or other reflective surface. AntiLogic also theorizes here that no character ever sees the same "ghosts" - thus these visions are products of their own expectations or experiences, or, in the case of Wendy, her visions were placed into her mind by Danny.
Also, I believe that AntiLogic might be saying that Danny's injuries were result of his epileptic seizure. He may be arguing also that Jack himself could have done it, but I'm not entirely sure.
The fact that Grady let's him out proves he isn't a ghost as far as I can tell. I dont normally associate ghost with being able to physically effect this realm. Sure maybe rattling chains or lights flickering but the door?
@Firstname Lastname i think jack was the one who left the Mark's on Danny's neck, and that Danny was sexually abused by Jack. It is obvious when pointed out. However I dont know why wendy sees things as she doesnt have the shining, so I think that there are ghosts and supernatural stuff.
In Doctor Sleep it's revealed that Tony (Danny's imaginary friend) was Dan all grown up. I think it's interesting that Grady is made out to be Jack's version of Tony, as he tries to kill his family just as Grady did.
Charles Grady was the story told to Jack at the interview. DELBERT Grady is Jacks imaginary friend. Different people. Not recognizing this fact changes the whole game of any analysis.
@Firstname Lastname Interestingly there is no scene where Jack actually looks at the old newspapers. It is mentioned in the novel, and there are polaroid photos that reveal Kubrick originally intended to have that scene. However, as the film stands we never see it. I imagine Jack is toying with Grady; merely repeating the story Ullman related to him.
The Shining powers in the film that Danny and Halloran share are real, they are supernatural powers. Why do you find it so implausible that there would be ghosts in the Shining universe too?
Your analysis throw me for a loop. First Fight Club which introduced me to your channel, and now The Shining? Incredible. Can't wait to check out the rest of your channel.
That's a nice theory that Jack never wanted to grow up acting like Danny, and Wendy is a mature mother who does everything for her family. A well-done analysis. Hope you keep doing more. It makes the movie more unique and interesting for its time.
correct me if I’m wrong, but if Jack and Danny feed each other with negative thoughts and feelings through the shining, does that mean Halorran also had a “Tony”? And he probably saw the naked lady in the bathtub too, hence he told Danny to stay out of the room. So I think there really are ghosts in this movie. Jack having the shining was one of my theories while reading the book so I loved that someone elaborated on that theory
@Vandole Good lord that's some weak thinking. You do know 'shining' doesn't exist right? Why do you find the idea of ghosts 'far fetched' but mind-reading and future-telling magical powers completely believable?
Did Halloran have a Tony? No scene or line of dialogue suggested that he did, it wasn't written into his character and he's a grown man. If you're elaborating on non-canon stuff, knock yourself out - if you're asking if he he did in the movie, it is irrelevant because there was no reference to it whatsoever.
The editor who worked with Kubrick admitted (after Kubrick's death) that he always intended for the ghosts to be a figment of the characters' imagination, but when they got to editing it all together they realized Kubrick's haphazard filming methods left them without the necessary scenes to make that work. So they ended up giving in when the studio wouldn't authorize rewrites because many members of the cast were unwilling to return. They had to edit together what they had and it led to the ghosts existing in a movie where they weren't intended to exist from the beginning.
It's a metaphor for child abuse. Jack was abused at the age we see him as Danny, this is when his mind fractured and created Tommy, as well as other imaginary friends as a form of escapism to help him cope with the trauma. Tommy grows up with Danny(Jack) and eventually takes over Jack's body and goes on a murdersous rampage. Jack's mind is stuck at the age he was abused, which is why the character Danny exists, as his child self, which is why Jack often behaves like a child. The woman in room 237 is the representation of his abuser. The movie is about a man coping with child abuuse that he experienced many years ago, after years of denial, unleashing his emotions in a fit of rage.
I don’t know what anyone of you are talking about. This movie clearly is about a typical happy family who are on Christmas holiday, and have to find a way to get through it with the in-laws coming to visit. Hilarity ensues, and then the grinch comes and steals the presents. They all realize in the end that it’s ok to be different. Everyone’s brain shrinks 3 sizes that day, and they all clicked their ruby slippers 3 times to get back to Kansas before the New Year. What a heartwarming tale. I love this movie.
tinylilmatt cheers it’s nothing bad i am a mixed man living in Japan. I still have a true love for DIVERSITY, REAL DIVERSITY. Not this cookie cutter agenda crap the powers that be try to pull these days. I am a big Shining and Stephen King fan it’s just refreshing to see a person I am relatable too truly happy and passionate to do vids like this. Honestly mainly i see usually Europeans or Aussies doing this type and nothing wrong with that either. I am with my Kiwi and Aussie friends at this very moment. Peace and love peace and love!
Under this theory it doesn’t make sense how Jack gets out of the pantry since the shining doesn’t give you the power to move things with your mind. Unlike what he says in the video, danny never does this once
@@D.AblosFamilia Carrie didn't have the shining. She had telekinetic powers. Two separate things. Halloran explains what the shining is in the early part of the movie. It's not just any old supernatural power, it's a specific one.
Olive In the book yes. The movie is about complex childhood trauma . You obviously haven’t watched the film much . There are multiple scenes where Jack and Wendy expressly contradict the idea that there are ghosts.
@Mighty Boosh That is exactly what the shining is about . The subconscious mind of a trauma victim. Acting out in various ways. If you google complex trauma and watch the movie it's like Kubrick's script is almost completely based off the checklist.I've figured out the Shining mostly I'm not really here to debate it. Because I've figured everything out already. Once you know what something is about hearing people's theories about it is kind of pointless. I made a video about it on my other youtube channel. (Kindahokey the shining explained)
Every time he sees a ghost theres a mirror, or a metallic door with a "reflection". Hes either seeing a ghost or a Misinterpretation of his own reflection.
Btw... Loved the intro and Ho. Ly. Crap! I've been an avid Stephen King reader since I was in 6th grade. Loved the book and loved both versions of the movie for different, yet obvious, reasons. But I have always watched the original contextualized by the book. MAN! All I can say about this is that my mind is Blown! 🤯 Thoroughly! Hats off to you, sir, and I Very much look forward to watching part 2. 👏👏👏
You are so wise and insightful! Thank you so so very much for enlightening me on this ! Boy I wish you were my neighbor or kin folk I could listen to you for hours and be a better person for it!
This is a spooky horror movie, but this does happen to families. Happened to mine. Happened to me. Love starts to die, resentment sets in. Financial difficulties, children, moving, responsibilities. The dad turns to alcohol, abuse. The mom enables, takes over dad role, the kids self-isolate becoming weird, scared. An outsider is needed to intervene. Police, CPS, lawyers, a relative...but, that outsider is stopped, or leaves. Families are torn apart in the United States of America, supposedly a country that values the family, but creates great stress upon it.
The problem with your theory is that it is simply really selective. You say some of the words on the paper are misspelled deliberately "All work and no play makes Jack adult boy." However, you conveniently overlook the fact that on some other sentences, other words are misspelled and it reads "All work and no play makes Jack a dull bog." Bog? What the hell is a bog? What is Kubrick's point? The letter G is close to the letter Y. CLEARLY, the misspelling is simply a case of making genuine typing errors because they are errors, and no more than that. Kubrick allows them to stay on paper because making typing errors is realistic. Would be much less realistic for all typed text to be absolutely perfect because no one is perfect. If Kubrick wanted to make a point, and that misspelling are not just misspelling, than the word "bog" should not have been there, so people could focus on the fact that this particular "error", the word "adult", was there for a reason.
Oh my god this video is dumb and people lap it up!!! There are misspellings which suggests that he was typing without stopping or correcting it. Simple. He was driven mad by the house. Jesus.
Love the intro music and A whole new take on the shining haven't watched it in a long time never really analysed the film though. I was left with unanswered questions at the end!🤔
The book is one of my favorites, but it's virtually unfilmable as written. Kubrick did an amazing job adapting but shifted the focus. Nice catch with the pages - I've never seen the "adult boy" typo and I agree it is significant, but fast typists often think in words instead of individual letters, and sometimes the fingers will revolt and type the wrong word reflexively out of muscle-memory. I find myself sometimes typing the way a word _sounds_ instead of the actual word, almost as if it were text to speech. Also you're the first I've heard to equate Delbert Grady as an "imaginary friend" parallelling Tony to Danny. That's great! Also considering the "blood" in the elevators is actually _red wine_ - amazing.
Very few have analyzed the actual story? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat Hah, either way great video. I only discovered your channel today and binged through all your theory videos. Amazing work. I was actually sort of reluctant to watch this video specifically because of how much I've seen the film dissected. I figured I might be in for some disappointment wondering what's left to be said among the myriad of other interpretations out there. Well, disappointment was not to be found today. There were of course some of the same starting points for various lines of though, though they often led in unique directions that I've never seen explored so fully before. You've really sold the manchild Jack perspective , and I'm looking forward to hearing how the specific ghosts tie into his condition in part 2. That cringing inter-cut between (his) work and (danny's) play has already set up a solid foundation for showcasing Danny as his villain. Excellent job as usual.
Kubrick himself said it was Grady's ghost who opened the door. This analysis is just ridiculous. Filmmakers (99.99% of the time) have a specific story they're trying to tell, and want the audience to easily understand...there was an evil presence/ghosts in the hotel, Danny (remember the scene with Tony/Danny not wanting to go to the hotel, at the beginning, in the car?) and Mr. Haloran could detect it, it's that simple.
I know a lot of reasons are raised why it's not the most accurate theory out there, but I really admire the amount of thought and analysis that went into it. Excellent job and I'm looking forward to more stuff you make
Kubrick is a world class, generational genius beyond measure....and King is a good author whose little stories can be adapted (with a LOT of rewrites) into great films provided the right director and actors.
This why I loved movies like The Shining. It is open to interpretation on a lot of levels. Today’s movies either force feed you or get all hifalutin about it so in the it didn’t make an sense.
I’m not sure about the whole “being a child” thing, I think that Jack is just an alchoholic with a lot of stress, but everything else is quite intuitive...
@@stevewilson9778 Since the whole family see the ghosts, there is nothing to really indicate that Jack has anything special. Danny's Shining powers allow him to communicate telepathically, Halloran calls this Shining. Jack never does this. Nobody in the movie says or suggests that Shining includes a special ability to see ghosts. Danny sees the blood on the stairs and the dead twins but Wendy saw ghosts too.
@@stevewilson9778 It's a great movie!! I've just always been satisfied with my interpretation being the correct one since the first time I saw it and never saw it as very open-ended.
@@stevewilson9778 The house wants him at the house because he has domestic violent tendencies and could be convinced to 'follow through' on those tendencies. They were right ;)
Out of all the theories about this movie,(native Americans, the moon landing,) THIS makes waaaay more sense. You are awesome and this 2 part video is the shit! Well done!
This is a fun theory indeed my friend. But at the same time, you do realize that King, and Kubrick both went on record saying that there are indeed ghosts in this story? Or did you happen to miss that whole tidbit? Asking for a friend.
@@srj34 it's relevant because their intent colors the entire story. Duh. And art is only about the interpretation in YOUR mind. Where there is authorial intent, we should use it to inform our understanding of a piece. NOT just dump whatever shitbrained idea we have into it. Because guess what, srj? You're not anywhere near as smart as Kubrick or King.
@@mjt1517 Wow. You don't even know me. Normally it takes hours of personal interaction for people to learn that I'm a dumbass. Hell, I'm so dumb I don't even know what I just wrote.
I think you are right on the money. King went on record that he struggled with raising his children, saying he was often very close to hitting them. Back in the day, he also struggled a lot as a writer, living in a trailer without electricity, writing on a typewriter. I think Jack in The Shining, who wants to get away from his responsibility as a father and supplier mirrors that struggle King went through before he hit it big. Remember: Pet Semetary was also based on events in King's real life. He too lived near a road where cars would kill people. The Shining was based on his personal struggle and Kubrik translated that dark period onto the big screen. Excellent analysis, Sir!
Dude what you're doing and your channel is amazingly awesome! I loved every video you made and I am binge watching every video of yours on auto play I don't care even thou it's about a movie I never seen or heard of your explaining is just awesome!
Dude, this was excellent! Out of all the Shining Theory videos I’ve seen, this is definitely up there! Also, kids are always the bad guys. They just are.
Kids are always the bad guys ......what? 'girl in the red dress' Schindler's List, Tim and Lex Jurassic Park, Newt in Aliens, John Connor T2, The Goonies kids, Kevin McAllister Home Alone, Natalie Portman in Leon, Girl in Pan's Labyrinth, Matilda in Matilda, Boy in The Witches, Boy in Boy in the Striped Pyjamas, kids in Stand By Me, Elliot in ET............. you need to watch films that aren't horror films about evil children. Terrible video.
I first read the book in 1983. Sometimes, it was so scary that I was afraid to turn the page! The book and the movie are both awesome, as King and Kubrick are both awesome.
Dang bro. I’ve seen a couple of your videos and you are really good at this. Of course, interpretation is everybody’s own opinion. But I’ll give you this, you are exceptionally consistent with all the points you bring up and I’m a believer.
I just found your channel a couple days ago and I absolutely love it! I saw comments disagreeing with you because "Kubrick/King said so" lol. I think those people completely missed the point. Your theories are wildly interesting. I can't wait to watch the rest of your videos, man. This is my new favourite channel
Good analysis but I think you're treating the film too literally with regards to the 'mechanics' of how the Shining ability works. I think the Shining represents Danny's childhood trauma and Jack's mental decline represents his bestial nature as an abusive father and husband.
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“Very few have analyzed or dissected the actual story...” am I being trolled?
True. Kubrick's films have been analysed more than any other director.
EVERYBODY has analyzed this film.
He implies the plotline is ironically overlooked due to the visual mastery. I fundamentally disagree with this round peg square hole interpretation.
@@Novasky2007 I am a film student and this was almost exactly what i was going to say
The best Kubrick is that moon landing. Some people still believe it was real /s
Right or wrong, I really enjoy a well thought out perspective. An enjoyable interpretation to say the least. Thank you for sharing.
King’s dislike of Kubrick’s movie was very personal. The book is partially inspired my King’s own struggle with alcoholism and domestic abuse. He never hit his wife or kids from what I understand, but he did get wasted, go into rages, wreck stuff, and basically terrorize his family. His wife almost took the kids and left him, but decided to stay and help him get treatment and eventually get well. He actually dedicated the whole first edition run of The Shining to his wife. Hence the father’s eventual redemption in the books is a really big deal to him and Jack dying still a bastard in the movie upset him.
That said, you and many others are right. The movie is much scarier and can be argued to actually have a better story. Kubrick’s Shining for me is the ultimate example of a movie being a terrible adaptation but still being a great film.
Such narcissism on King's part. He thinks if the audience hates Jack, then we must hate him.
No one would even know it's based on him if he hadn't said anything. But he had to go make a horrible tv version because he needed others approval, to prove he wasn't a bad guy. Wasn't enough that his wife forgave him & stayed.
Maybe that was intended because he, (King himself.) wasn't completely over the problem in recovering from it. I read the second book Dr. Sleep and it was kind of the answer to what he got out of being sober. In this Book, the son Daniel is the main character.
It's a paradox.
In a word… no.
The pictures on the walls, the furniture and decor change, rearrange and sometimes disappear all together as you progress through the film.
The hedge maze isn’t present in the opening shots of the hotel and only appears later as a parallel to the Overlook hotel itself. Certain windows and rooms are impossible. In the Torrance apartment for example, there are two windows which couldn’t exist since the bathroom window that Danny and Wendy escape through is in the middle of the long flat front of the hotel.
Stanley Kubrick did this on purpose to illustrate that the hotel is not as it appears. It is a labyrinth just like the hedge maze, but it changes people.
It plays head games, it offers people what they desire and shows them what they’re afraid of. It tempts people to shirk responsibility and do terrible things to others.
If they play along, then they lose touch with reality, get lost and end up being consumed by the malevolent forces of the Overlook hotel, but if they resist, if they work and focus on truth and survival, then they can escape like Danny and Wendy.
The Shining is a million miles deep and the only things that are certain about the movie is that it’s full of coded messages, numeric cyphers, character parallels with religious and mythological figures, poetic allegories of good & evil, heaven & hell and some disgusting secrets about Stephen Kings real life.
No single explanation can accurately convey “What The Shining is Really About.”
Stanley Kubrick made sure of that.
lol. All just mistakes because Kubrick is more into picture and is practical than logic
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“Jack is around 30..”
That’s a seriously hard 30 even 40 lol
Nick Mattio yeah, he was 43 in real life
The Jack in the novel was definitely younger than Nicolson. IIRC he was stated to be 30 ish in the book and 36 in the mini series
His alcoholism may have had something to do with it
If he is referring to the book then that's absolutely correct.
Thank you! Lol
Interesting analysis, to me the real genius of this movie is that even after nearly 40 years it's still able to generate conversation regarding it's meaning, truly a remarkable film.
"the characters are the same"
The main reason King doesn't like the Kubrick movie is because of how much less likeable Jack is in the beginning of the movie vs. the book. They're absolutely not the same character.
Also, in the book Wendy is a strong woman, not like in the movie at all.
As King said, Kubrick's version was great at being a horror movie, but it wasn't his story. After watch both the movie and the miniseries. I agree that Kubrick's version is a really good film on its own, but it has no business being a film adaptation of a novel that was already ahead of it's time.
@@synahaze9447 yeah I love both versions, but I honesty feel like they are different stories and also I’m glad that dr sleep pleased Kubrick fans and gave the book it’s true ending with the hotel burning down
That's what I love about this movie, it's so open to interpretation and it can be whatever people want it to be. That's what great art does.
This is the best Shining explanation I've heard. As someone who is a little like Jack, this really hits the nail on the head for me. I've struggled with substance abuse from my late teens till now (I'm 44) And the many talks I've had with councillors tell me that I have problems with responsibility, so this theory rings true. I'm married with 3 lovely children but the responsibility is a very real daily struggle with me. I'm not a wife or child beater (and have no respect for anyone that does) but the pressures of family life are incredibly hard, especially if you have a history of drink or drugs. I haven't relapsed for a year now but every single day is a struggle so The Shining has always felt a little personal to me. I look forward to the second part of this but just wanted to say I really appreciate your work!!!
Stay strong 💞
The best thing you can do is stop trying to control things or live up to society's standards.
You shouldn't feel pressure in a family. It should be everyone working together, not placing sole responsibility on one person.
Interviewer: How do you see the main character of Jack in The Shining?
Kubrick: Jack comes to the hotel psychologically prepared to do its murderous bidding. He doesn't have very much further to go for his anger and frustration to become completely uncontrollable. He is bitter about his failure as a writer. He is married to a woman for whom he has only contempt. He hates his son. In the hotel, at the mercy of its powerful evil, he is quickly ready to fulfill his dark role.
Interviewer: So you don't regard the apparitions as merely a projection of his mental state?
Kubrick: For the purposes of telling the story, my view is that the paranormal is genuine. Jack's mental state serves only to prepare him for the murder, and to temporarily mislead the audience.
Interviewer: And when the film has finished? What then?
Kubrick: I hope the audience has had a good fright, has believed the film while they were watching it, and retains some sense of it. The ballroom photograph at the very end suggests the reincarnation of Jack.
Interviewer: In the case of The Shining, were you attracted first by the subject of ESP, or just by Stephen King's novel?
Kubrick: I've always been interested in ESP and the paranormal. In addition to the scientific experiments which have been conducted suggesting that we are just short of conclusive proof of its existence, I'm sure we've all had the experience of opening a book at the exact page we're looking for, or thinking of a friend a moment before they ring on the telephone. But The Shining didn't originate from any particular desire to do a film about this. The manuscript of the novel was sent to me by John Calley, of Warner Bros. I thought it was one of the most ingenious and exciting stories of the genre I had read. It seemed to strike an extraordinary balance between the psychological and the supernatural in such a way as to lead you to think that the supernatural would eventually be explained by the psychological: "Jack must be imagining these things because he's crazy". This allowed you to suspend your doubt of the supernatural until you were so thoroughly into the story that you could accept it almost without noticing.
HAHA, video guy failed big time!
Yeah, I was going to say, "Didn't Kubrick confirm that the story involves the hotel being haunted?"
NEVER trust an artist explaining his/her own work.
Honestly a lot of times people like to project their own idea of what the film should be when reviewing. Rather than reviewing what was given to us.
"The Shining" is a great film, and Kubrick was a great director, but this quote explains why Stephen King hated the film. I always thought that in the movie, it wasn't that big of a leap for Jack Torrence to become a homicidal maniac out to kill his wife and son. This quote confirms this. But the central horror of the book is that for all of Jack Torrence's faults, he GENUINELY loves his wife and son. That a SYMPATHETIC father ultimately becomes a killer is the root of the book's horror, but that is absent from the movie.
i guess you could say that the elevator had poured
red rum
shit that makes sense. so red rum=alcohol problem of jack maybe?
@@desynch6555 ya know I never thought about that I only thought about the whole redrum being murder backwards but that would make sense that it's also a reference to his alcohol problems on top of that
That's what I thought
Dude! Lol
You cheeky fuck!
"You never see Jack drunk, or drinking." Jack then slams three to four fingers of booze on the rocks.
@C R well, if you accept that ghost hands strangled his son the ghost alcohol isn't out of place
@C R In a universe where SHINING is real, why do you find it so absurd that there would be ghosts serving alcohol?
@C R So he's so completely insane that he thinks he's walking around swigging a bottle of whiskey and gets fake drunk? It's just coincidence that he loses his mind in the same place that another guy murdered his family and where his son sees horrible images of that guy's dead daughters? You can say viewers are able to make up their own minds, you can do whatever you like but to me what you say sounds ridiculous and an overreach. It's a pretty straightforward movie, especially for Kubrick. He appears in the 1920s photo at the end of the movie. If it was all in his head, that would be pretty weak writing, the common simpler interpretation of the movie is way better.
@C R It's alcohol provided by the Overlook, sherlock
@Phineas Facing Forward Ghostly phenomena isn't a hallucination.. The booze is real. In the novel, Wendy wonders why Jack smells of bourbon..
End of discussion!
The Shining isn’t a movie about ghosts and hauntings but a film about the breakout success of a fledgling writer. As we see from the beginning Jack is “outlining a new writing project” which begins the alternating of scenes from reality to Jacks fiction writing. Early in the film dozens of clues are dropped as we see Jack absorbing many ideas of which will be twisted and placed in his novel. An easy giveaway is that (20:43) Jack notices the burgundy jacket on the in-season caretaker during the beginning of his tour whom is cleaning a shelf in the main lobby. We also know a maze doesn’t exist at the Colorado hotel (note all the wide shots without the maze), and outside we see a man carting wood with the maze in the shot which switches to a man carting luggage with the maze out of the shot. The Playgirl article turns from sexual abuse of children to physical abuse in Jack’s adaptation. We also see the large statue in the main lobby in reality which disappears during all fictional scenes. We see a light switch just outside the pantry doors during reality, which disappears during fiction. We see Koolaide during fiction and none in reality, even the early moments when Danny talks to Tony and the doctor visits and talks of the accident was all apart of Jack’s novel outlining. It’s only when Jack dawns the burgundy jacket do we finally get trapped into Jack’s story completely. The cook has a poster above his bed while he is enjoying his time off in Florida, however the poster disappears when he is “shining”, again just another scene from Jack’s novel. Danny didn’t shine in reality, nor did the cook, just an amazing plot surrounded by an array of subplots! The changing of different age daughters to twins and from Charles to Delbert were Jack’s take on creative license. Also Jack choosing to allow the family to escape was a way of Jack writing a more redeeming conclusion to a hotel tragedy that had little redeeming quality. Kubrick was in fact a genius, and Jack must have been a very successful writer post novel, kind of like Steven King? No wonder Steven King hated this movie, I feel like Kubrick wrote Steven right into his own screenplay since he hated kings version anyway. Also note: if we view this film in a linear fashion and take the film at face value (sure it’s epic) we’d have to concede that Stanly Kubrick was one of the worst continuity directors of all time, and we know that’s not the case.
That intro is truly hypnotizing with both the music and the way the film clips are synced. I could just watch that over and over. Well done dude; clearly you are a magician
Do you know who the artist is???
@@Kerwalk De Lorra Augustus Wright - Let Us
I agree. Reminds me of the intro to 2017's Prey, when you get in the helicopter
I always thought it didn't look like blood coming out of the elevator. Maybe it's red rum
The door of the freezer unlocking was Kubrick signalling that the ghosts are real, not Jack's telekinesis.
danny could have opened the door
I'd kubrick wanted us to know it was definitely ghosts, he'd of said as much. What makes the movie interesting and spooky, is that it's vague enough to make it logical for it to be ghosts or for it to be just people.
Kubrick said of The Shining: "A story of the supernatural cannot be taken appart and analysed too closely. The ultimate test of it's rationale is whether it is good enough to raise the hairs on the back of the your neck." In the same interview with Michael Ciment: So dont you regard the apparations as merely a projection of his (Jack Torrence), mental state?: "For the purposes of telling the story, my view is that the paranormal is genuine. Jack's mental state serves only to prepare him for murder, and to temporarily mislead the audience." If you believe the apparations are Jack's visions then you have been misled hence why the unlocking of the food storeroom door is key to prove the existance of the paranormal/ghosts.
It's what you want it to be. It can be a freudian slip by Wendy. That's the beauty of it. True horror lies in ambiguity.
I always believed that Danny opened the door.
I still do.
This is the story of a son who kills his father....not of a man who kills his wive and son.
Think about it.
It is a masterpiece.
"Jack too likes to play with toys inside of the house, talk to his imaginary friend, is afraid of scary ghosts and likes to wander the halls exploring the Overlook Hotel." One, who wouldn't be afraid of the old lady or the twins in a Hotel you think has only 3 people in it? And two, who honestly wouldn't walk around the Hotel and explore a bit? You're there all winter, may as well get familiar with it. And Jack does not have telekinesis. It's an interesting theory, but it's one I can't agree with.
One thing I don't get is why the hotel is closed for the winter. It's located in the mountains with loads of snow. It would make a fortune being a host to all those people enjoying winter sports.
@@aschmitt3395 it’s explained in the interview
Cool theory, but according to Kubrick and King...the ghosts are real. I’ll grant that art is in the eye of the beholder...interpretations are subjective...but this one is pretty thin, IMO. The two master creators of the two projects (King the author...Kubrick the filmmaker) both have stated unequivocally that there are ghosts. For me, that’s a full stop.
You know? How irritating would it be if you created something, literally spell out the meaning to people in plain words, and then they still try and twist to what they want instead?
It's like I almost want to become an artist, then expain my art, and tell anyone that their opinion is incorrect and invalid when it comes to my property.
MastaSmack That’s basically what’s happening here 😆. I suppose it doesn’t really matter, not in the grand scheme of things...but I do wonder if some people truly have that much interest in the topic, that he or she would devote a large amount of time not only expressing the idea, but doing so with a carefully crafted video essay. “My reasons why the most successful author of the last 100 years and the acclaimed director who adapted his story to an Academy Award-winning film are both wrong.” 🙄 😝
Personally, I think most stories are best, when there aren't definitive answers. Being able to see other angles in a film are what make it rewatchable.
Reject the fashionable relativist canard that “art is subjective” and is “in the eye of the beholder.” Read E.F. Schumacher’s A Guide for the Perplexed, along with the work of Roger Scruton.
"All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy" is a proverb. It means that without time off from work, a person becomes both bored and boring. I think Kubrik wanted us to recognize this, since the second part is " All work and no play makes Jack a *mere toy* " meaning he was doing the bidding of the Hotel/ghosts
One theory is that Jack is actually a lone caretaker who was never married and the movie is supposed to be one of the stories he writes while he's taking care of the hotel by himself. A clue is when Danny and Wendy are kneeling and hugging on the floor in front of Jack's writing desk. The camera angle is set up perfectly so it looks like they are a page coming from the typewriter, suggesting they are merely fictional characters in Jack's story. All the plot holes and mysteries can be explained by Jack's amateur writing abilities. When Jack gets freed by Grady you don't need a theory about ghosts and alter-egos to explain it-- it was just the lazy writing of a lonely caretaker trying to make a horror story.
That theory came from a hole in someone's butt.
This is an interesting theory, and probably not far off from actually being the true story as Jack is probably the fictional version of Stephen King. I think there are many levels at which this can be viewed, because it's like a fictional story within a fictional story within a fictional story, all written in cryptic ways. Probably most of the fan theories of this film are actually correct to some extent.
Most of the fan theories are actually worthless fan fic.
@@watermelonlalala oh... Worthless like that opinion you have about theories
@@GrandWushu King has stated his initial inspiration for Jack Torrence was his realization and fear of being able to hurt his children
And you missed the fact that there are 2 Grady's. Delbert isn't even the first name that the guy in the interview gives.
Marshal Tenner Winter exactly. The Grady that killed his family in 1970 is CHARLES Grady. The Grady who jack meets in the gold room is Delbert
Plus, he's NOT looking at a mirror the first time he talks to Delbert. He's just stepped away from the bar, and both he & Grady avoid bumping into a woman, when Grady spills the Advocaat on him.
Also, Antilogic seems to think Delbert Grady & Horace Derwent are the same actor/character...
Why does Wendy see the images as well at the end??
Holly Roxy exactly. The theory is a good watch but I don’t buy it.
exactly. She sees a man in a dog suit about to take care of one of the guests, the entire ballroom area covered in cobwebs and skeletons everwhere, not to mention the elevator of blood. Not to mention Jack getting out of the locked cooler
I used to work in a factory with a huge fridge with similar door to the pantry,do you see the door knob Jack trying to open? That’s an emergency exit that you need to push very very hard
@@@TougeWarrior93 , no, it’s just the standard walk in door in an industrial kitchen. It only opens when you push it.
@@TougeWarrior93 except that there's a sliding bolt lock as well, for no good reason. By "no good reason" I mean that it could only be there to counter the safety exit, which in turn is there to save lives.
Masterfully done. I’ve learned quite a lot from this!
Additionally, before wearing red, it’s not just non-red worn on Jack. Most of the clothing on he and his wife are green. In fact, all of jack’s shirts beforehand are one shade of green or another - whether light or dark. Biblically, green represents abundance. And growth. Also, green on the colour wheel is the polar opposite of red. Red, a primary colour. Green, a secondary.
i agree this is a well thought out idea.
Fascinating, and a great intro to your channel; instantly hooked. Was recommended because I'd been watching Chris Stuckman. Looking forward to part two here in a minute, your analysis and theories are really interesting and well delivered!
King's book is a supernatural thriller with some psychological elements involved. Kubrick's movie is a psychological thriller that makes you question if there are supernatural elements causing the horror. VERY different stories. I think Kubrick, correctly, chose to use the psychotic breaks of Jack (and possibly Wendy and Danny) to create the tension and hallucinations that appear throughout the movie. It hints at the underlining abuse (physical, psychological, and likely sexual) at what is helping to drive this psychosis.
the ghosts / super natural stuff is all just a red herring subterfuge- the film is really about dv and in cest, the hotel is a family home. jack is an abusive alcoholic wife beater, but he also r 's his son, thats the filty dark dirty secret, horror is b grade not high art, kubrick dont do b grade cheap thrills. he does high art.
He broke his son's arm by accident in the book. I can't remember reading any clues about him doing what you are suggesting he did. Can you give some context to what you are saying?
@@lewisisdaman i havent read the book its irrelevant to the film, there are stacks of clues all through the film- why would a little boy with no physical ailments be in a state the way danny is? as i say horror is vapid not high art, where as dv addiction and r within families is a very very heavy dark real topic, a REAL LIFE HORROR. kubrick is a sublime genius who makes amazing profound films, hes not gonna make a film about ghosts in a haunted house ffs.
@@lewisisdaman the guy nails it- ruclips.net/video/dW2GrG7Zk0U/видео.html
@@lewisisdaman try watching the film again from this perspective, i think youll find it difficult to deny.
6:12 lmfao "jack, a man around thirty"
Kevin heart immediately screams "DAYUM!" lol
I will never, ever get tired of analysis videos on The Shining. Truly 1 of the timeless cinematic masterpieces of all time.
I really enjoy that you made a theory focusing on Jacks shining ability! It is heavily hinted that he does shine in the book, and i actually havent seen anyone present the argument that the storeroom door opening can be part of said ability :)
Dr Sleep disapproves of this theory
Bro the way you make me look at movies are incredible you’re the mvp fr
I've watched this film countless times and thought I understood it - until now. My tiny mind is BLOWN! WOW, thank you, I can't wait to watch it again now from a whole new perspective.
This movie has so much into it, I feel like it's way more than just a haunted location story.
Sorry but the scene where Grady's ghost lets Jack out of the freezer kills this theory dead.
No, his theory is that Grady did not free Jack, but that Jack had psychic powers (telekinesis) which he used to unlock the door.
@Firstname Lastname I am not saying that this is factually how to interpret the Shining, rather, I am explaining the theory that AntiLogic is trying to present in his two videos, which offer an interesting and novel take on this film.
AntiLogic is making the point that Jack's "fractured mind" had spawned the conversations with Grady...essentially the theory is that he's talking to himself as he looks into a mirror or other reflective surface. AntiLogic also theorizes here that no character ever sees the same "ghosts" - thus these visions are products of their own expectations or experiences, or, in the case of Wendy, her visions were placed into her mind by Danny.
Also, I believe that AntiLogic might be saying that Danny's injuries were result of his epileptic seizure. He may be arguing also that Jack himself could have done it, but I'm not entirely sure.
The fact that Grady let's him out proves he isn't a ghost as far as I can tell. I dont normally associate ghost with being able to physically effect this realm. Sure maybe rattling chains or lights flickering but the door?
@Firstname Lastname i think jack was the one who left the Mark's on Danny's neck, and that Danny was sexually abused by Jack. It is obvious when pointed out. However I dont know why wendy sees things as she doesnt have the shining, so I think that there are ghosts and supernatural stuff.
In Doctor Sleep it's revealed that Tony (Danny's imaginary friend) was Dan all grown up. I think it's interesting that Grady is made out to be Jack's version of Tony, as he tries to kill his family just as Grady did.
The movie of Kubrick has nothing to do with doctor sleep, nor with the shining book in that matter.
@@Amleth89 But the movie Doctor Sleeps was very obviously a sequel to his movie.
Thought I had heard them all. Thats a brilliant interpretation. Also, loved the little music videos at the beginning of p. 1 & 2 lol
Very interesting perspectives you developed here. You point out some great ideas for storytelling. Thanks man!
Hey, the dog man is much scarier in the book
Charles Grady was the story told to Jack at the interview. DELBERT Grady is Jacks imaginary friend. Different people. Not recognizing this fact changes the whole game of any analysis.
Great point. Maybe they are brothers.
Or maybe his name is Charles Delbert Grady
@@485ani yea, this sounds more likely.... Delbert is, very hopefully, a middle name for an unfortunate soul 😑
@Firstname Lastname Interestingly there is no scene where Jack actually looks at the old newspapers. It is mentioned in the novel, and there are polaroid photos that reveal Kubrick originally intended to have that scene. However, as the film stands we never see it.
I imagine Jack is toying with Grady; merely repeating the story Ullman related to him.
The Shining powers in the film that Danny and Halloran share are real, they are supernatural powers. Why do you find it so implausible that there would be ghosts in the Shining universe too?
Your analysis throw me for a loop. First Fight Club which introduced me to your channel, and now The Shining? Incredible. Can't wait to check out the rest of your channel.
That's a nice theory that Jack never wanted to grow up acting like Danny, and Wendy is a mature mother who does everything for her family. A well-done analysis. Hope you keep doing more. It makes the movie more unique and interesting for its time.
Your work is FN BRILLIANT! One of the best dissections of the Shining yet. You've got a talent, well done, keep it up!
Brent Beshara Collative Learning explained all these insights in his videos before this guy did.
@@LoneCloudHopper Coillative Learning sucks. Agar is a total asshole.
correct me if I’m wrong, but if Jack and Danny feed each other with negative thoughts and feelings through the shining, does that mean Halorran also had a “Tony”? And he probably saw the naked lady in the bathtub too, hence he told Danny to stay out of the room. So I think there really are ghosts in this movie. Jack having the shining was one of my theories while reading the book so I loved that someone elaborated on that theory
“Correct me if I’m wrong.”
Be careful what you wish for, if I may be so bold, sir.
@Vandole Good lord that's some weak thinking. You do know 'shining' doesn't exist right? Why do you find the idea of ghosts 'far fetched' but mind-reading and future-telling magical powers completely believable?
Did Halloran have a Tony? No scene or line of dialogue suggested that he did, it wasn't written into his character and he's a grown man. If you're elaborating on non-canon stuff, knock yourself out - if you're asking if he he did in the movie, it is irrelevant because there was no reference to it whatsoever.
2021, still loving the Overlook vibes!
The editor who worked with Kubrick admitted (after Kubrick's death) that he always intended for the ghosts to be a figment of the characters' imagination, but when they got to editing it all together they realized Kubrick's haphazard filming methods left them without the necessary scenes to make that work. So they ended up giving in when the studio wouldn't authorize rewrites because many members of the cast were unwilling to return. They had to edit together what they had and it led to the ghosts existing in a movie where they weren't intended to exist from the beginning.
Damn I love the channel. Keep up the good work brotha ✊
Lol so the liquid in the elevator scene is literally red rum, it doesnt mean murder?
@Joshua HammondHammond blood was the last thing the came to mind when I saw that scene.
@Chuck Chuk Urine came to mind before blood did for you?
Okay, you're just weird.
@@johnthesavage381 if ur train of thoughts includes urine well maybe ur the wierd one. Playing smart Cool guy?
@Chuck Chuk You caught me. It was projection.
I was thinking of urine. :(
I like the idea of it being the kool-aid man falling down in the elevator and his punch gushing down the hallway.
It's a metaphor for child abuse. Jack was abused at the age we see him as Danny, this is when his mind fractured and created Tommy, as well as other imaginary friends as a form of escapism to help him cope with the trauma.
Tommy grows up with Danny(Jack) and eventually takes over Jack's body and goes on a murdersous rampage. Jack's mind is stuck at the age he was abused, which is why the character Danny exists, as his child self, which is why Jack often behaves like a child. The woman in room 237 is the representation of his abuser.
The movie is about a man coping with child abuuse that he experienced many years ago, after years of denial, unleashing his emotions in a fit of rage.
I don’t know what anyone of you are talking about. This movie clearly is about a typical happy family who are on Christmas holiday, and have to find a way to get through it with the in-laws coming to visit. Hilarity ensues, and then the grinch comes and steals the presents. They all realize in the end that it’s ok to be different. Everyone’s brain shrinks 3 sizes that day, and they all clicked their ruby slippers 3 times to get back to Kansas before the New Year. What a heartwarming tale. I love this movie.
My first time seeing a brother make one of these kinda ‘dissection videos’ on you tube ✊🏽
👍🏼
That's racist
tinylilmatt cheers it’s nothing bad i am a mixed man living in Japan. I still have a true love for DIVERSITY, REAL DIVERSITY. Not this cookie cutter agenda crap the powers that be try to pull these days. I am a big Shining and Stephen King fan it’s just refreshing to see a person I am relatable too truly happy and passionate to do vids like this. Honestly mainly i see usually Europeans or Aussies doing this type and nothing wrong with that either. I am with my Kiwi and Aussie friends at this very moment. Peace and love peace and love!
Why does his skin color matter tho ?
hell yea
Under this theory it doesn’t make sense how Jack gets out of the pantry since the shining doesn’t give you the power to move things with your mind. Unlike what he says in the video, danny never does this once
A few months late, but Stephen King's Carrie which was a precursor for The Shine shows you can move stuff with it
@@D.AblosFamilia Carrie didn't have the shining. She had telekinetic powers. Two separate things. Halloran explains what the shining is in the early part of the movie. It's not just any old supernatural power, it's a specific one.
Kubrick literally said there are ghosts. Good video though.
Where does he say that because i'm pretty sure i know what the shining is about and it isn't ghosts
Olive In the book yes. The movie is about complex childhood trauma . You obviously haven’t watched the film much . There are multiple scenes where Jack and Wendy expressly contradict the idea that there are ghosts.
It doesn’t matter what the director says.
@Mighty Boosh That is exactly what the shining is about . The subconscious mind of a trauma victim. Acting out in various ways. If you google complex trauma and watch the movie it's like Kubrick's script is almost completely based off the checklist.I've figured out the Shining mostly I'm not really here to debate it. Because I've figured everything out already. Once you know what something is about hearing people's theories about it is kind of pointless. I made a video about it on my other youtube channel. (Kindahokey the shining explained)
Every time he sees a ghost theres a mirror, or a metallic door with a "reflection". Hes either seeing a ghost or a Misinterpretation of his own reflection.
Btw... Loved the intro and Ho. Ly. Crap! I've been an avid Stephen King reader since I was in 6th grade. Loved the book and loved both versions of the movie for different, yet obvious, reasons. But I have always watched the original contextualized by the book. MAN! All I can say about this is that my mind is Blown! 🤯 Thoroughly! Hats off to you, sir, and I Very much look forward to watching part 2. 👏👏👏
I love this channel bro especially the creeper vid. Your insight into horror is unique. Keep up the good work
Trebor X hahahahahhahaha yeah sure mate
Cool interpretation dude. Directors intent or not. Still interesting.
If the director's intent says the opposite, he's automatically wrong. The Shining universe doesn't exist.
@@fuckamericanidiot ever heard of death of the author?
@@fuckamericanidiot and the director didn't care about the author's intent either
You are so wise and insightful! Thank you so so very much for enlightening me on this ! Boy I wish you were my neighbor or kin folk I could listen to you for hours and be a better person for it!
This is a spooky horror movie, but this does happen to families. Happened to mine. Happened to me. Love starts to die, resentment sets in. Financial difficulties, children, moving, responsibilities. The dad turns to alcohol, abuse. The mom enables, takes over dad role, the kids self-isolate becoming weird, scared. An outsider is needed to intervene. Police, CPS, lawyers, a relative...but, that outsider is stopped, or leaves.
Families are torn apart in the United States of America, supposedly a country that values the family, but creates great stress upon it.
The problem with your theory is that it is simply really selective. You say some of the words on the paper are misspelled deliberately "All work and no play makes Jack adult boy."
However, you conveniently overlook the fact that on some other sentences, other words are misspelled and it reads "All work and no play makes Jack a dull bog."
Bog? What the hell is a bog? What is Kubrick's point? The letter G is close to the letter Y.
CLEARLY, the misspelling is simply a case of making genuine typing errors because they are errors, and no more than that. Kubrick allows them to stay on paper because making typing errors is realistic. Would be much less realistic for all typed text to be absolutely perfect because no one is perfect.
If Kubrick wanted to make a point, and that misspelling are not just misspelling, than the word "bog" should not have been there, so people could focus on the fact that this particular "error", the word "adult", was there for a reason.
Dull Bog... or Bull Dog...
I thought the point was to show Jack was consciously writing every line and really emphasise the depths of his insanity.
Right below bog, there's also one of the sentences ending w
A dull bot
repetition, three times. Shall we go back and see if "a dull bog" is repeated three times as well?
Oh my god this video is dumb and people lap it up!!! There are misspellings which suggests that he was typing without stopping or correcting it. Simple. He was driven mad by the house. Jesus.
Love the intro music and A whole new take on the shining haven't watched it in a long time never really analysed the film though. I was left with unanswered questions at the end!🤔
Me too, Came here to ask about it!
This is the best explanation of this movie I have ever seen. Very insightful. New theories I have never heard before. Very well done.
This is the best channel for Film analysis I have found in recent times. Brilliant work. Thank you!
"we never see jack drunk or drinking" as he says that while he plays the clip of Jack taking his first sip of alcohol in 5 years 😆
@John Lester oh my bad
@John Lester ah that makes sense
@John Lester sweet! I'm definitely gonna be seeing it, see if it's a worthy sequel to Kubrick's masterpiece.
@John Lester you too 😊
The book is one of my favorites, but it's virtually unfilmable as written. Kubrick did an amazing job adapting but shifted the focus. Nice catch with the pages - I've never seen the "adult boy" typo and I agree it is significant, but fast typists often think in words instead of individual letters, and sometimes the fingers will revolt and type the wrong word reflexively out of muscle-memory. I find myself sometimes typing the way a word _sounds_ instead of the actual word, almost as if it were text to speech. Also you're the first I've heard to equate Delbert Grady as an "imaginary friend" parallelling Tony to Danny. That's great! Also considering the "blood" in the elevators is actually _red wine_ - amazing.
Thank you. I tried to say the same thing about typing errors in my comment and didn't come up with nearly as convincing an argument.
Where have you been all my life? lol I like how you think. This by far is the best interpretation I've heard yet. Thank you!
Please that book was so amazing. It's just so imaginative that it's difficult for the screen to show something scarier than what you imagine.
How can a director make a story that has this many interpretetions???and of course..almost all of them are nearly perfect!!!!
Because you imagine it to be so.
That...is not how interpretations work. Or directing.
Very few have analyzed the actual story? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
Hah, either way great video. I only discovered your channel today and binged through all your theory videos. Amazing work. I was actually sort of reluctant to watch this video specifically because of how much I've seen the film dissected. I figured I might be in for some disappointment wondering what's left to be said among the myriad of other interpretations out there. Well, disappointment was not to be found today. There were of course some of the same starting points for various lines of though, though they often led in unique directions that I've never seen explored so fully before. You've really sold the manchild Jack perspective , and I'm looking forward to hearing how the specific ghosts tie into his condition in part 2. That cringing inter-cut between (his) work and (danny's) play has already set up a solid foundation for showcasing Danny as his villain. Excellent job as usual.
JeffMangumMagnum Yeah, Room 237 and Collative Learning focuses on The Shining.
Kubrick himself said it was Grady's ghost who opened the door. This analysis is just ridiculous.
Filmmakers (99.99% of the time) have a specific story they're trying to tell, and want the audience to easily understand...there was an evil presence/ghosts in the hotel, Danny (remember the scene with Tony/Danny not wanting to go to the hotel, at the beginning, in the car?) and Mr. Haloran could detect it, it's that simple.
DeathToTheDictators stop with the 99% crap. GTFO
Jonathan Rodrigues fuck off, idiot.
@@DeathToTheDictators These people have brainrot, is this what a $300,000 film degree gets you?
I love how in-depth you get with your analysis keep up the good work
I know a lot of reasons are raised why it's not the most accurate theory out there, but I really admire the amount of thought and analysis that went into it. Excellent job and I'm looking forward to more stuff you make
Kubrick is a world class, generational genius beyond measure....and King is a good author whose little stories can be adapted (with a LOT of rewrites) into great films provided the right director and actors.
Without a doubt, this is THE BEST Shining break down I have ever seen. I love the comparison between Danny and Jack, so spot on!!!
This why I loved movies like The Shining. It is open to interpretation on a lot of levels. Today’s movies either force feed you or get all hifalutin about it so in the it didn’t make an sense.
Very interesting perspective on this beloved movie. I never get tired of watching it. You have a new sub!!
Video starts at 1:50
They aren't twins. One is a *2 years older.
Wrong. One is 8 and one is 10.
@@mjt1517 I said "a year or so." 2 would be "or so" unless it's something like 18 months.
Jack N. was around 42 when he made this film.
As dramatic as you made this no matter unnecessary, this is one of m y favorite interpretations
Whenever any movie character enjoys typing or mirror, I always think..."oh here we go dive deep into crazy mind again!?". LOL
I’m not sure about the whole “being a child” thing, I think that Jack is just an alchoholic with a lot of stress, but everything else is quite intuitive...
@@stevewilson9778 How do you know he has the Shining powers?
@@stevewilson9778 Since the whole family see the ghosts, there is nothing to really indicate that Jack has anything special. Danny's Shining powers allow him to communicate telepathically, Halloran calls this Shining. Jack never does this. Nobody in the movie says or suggests that Shining includes a special ability to see ghosts. Danny sees the blood on the stairs and the dead twins but Wendy saw ghosts too.
@@stevewilson9778 You could be right I suppose, it's not a huge reach like some other theories on here.
@@stevewilson9778 It's a great movie!! I've just always been satisfied with my interpretation being the correct one since the first time I saw it and never saw it as very open-ended.
@@stevewilson9778 The house wants him at the house because he has domestic violent tendencies and could be convinced to 'follow through' on those tendencies. They were right ;)
Loving the intro music
I have a whole new respect for Kubrick... Thank you for a well paced video, that captured my attention the whole way through...
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why am i just now finding your page !!! great work !!! instant fan
Out of all the theories about this movie,(native Americans, the moon landing,) THIS makes waaaay more sense. You are awesome and this 2 part video is the shit! Well done!
This is a fun theory indeed my friend. But at the same time, you do realize that King, and Kubrick both went on record saying that there are indeed ghosts in this story? Or did you happen to miss that whole tidbit? Asking for a friend.
I don't know why it's relevant what the creators thought. Art is about interpretation, not answers.
@@srj34 it's relevant because their intent colors the entire story. Duh. And art is only about the interpretation in YOUR mind. Where there is authorial intent, we should use it to inform our understanding of a piece. NOT just dump whatever shitbrained idea we have into it. Because guess what, srj? You're not anywhere near as smart as Kubrick or King.
@@mjt1517 Wow. You don't even know me. Normally it takes hours of personal interaction for people to learn that I'm a dumbass.
Hell, I'm so dumb I don't even know what I just wrote.
I think you are right on the money. King went on record that he struggled with raising his children, saying he was often very close to hitting them. Back in the day, he also struggled a lot as a writer, living in a trailer without electricity, writing on a typewriter. I think Jack in The Shining, who wants to get away from his responsibility as a father and supplier mirrors that struggle King went through before he hit it big. Remember: Pet Semetary was also based on events in King's real life. He too lived near a road where cars would kill people. The Shining was based on his personal struggle and Kubrik translated that dark period onto the big screen. Excellent analysis, Sir!
Dude what you're doing and your channel is amazingly awesome! I loved every video you made and I am binge watching every video of yours on auto play I don't care even thou it's about a movie I never seen or heard of your explaining is just awesome!
Dude, this was excellent! Out of all the Shining Theory videos I’ve seen, this is definitely up there!
Also, kids are always the bad guys. They just are.
I couldn't agree more brilliant video
Kids are always the bad guys ......what? 'girl in the red dress' Schindler's List, Tim and Lex Jurassic Park, Newt in Aliens, John Connor T2, The Goonies kids, Kevin McAllister Home Alone, Natalie Portman in Leon, Girl in Pan's Labyrinth, Matilda in Matilda, Boy in The Witches, Boy in Boy in the Striped Pyjamas, kids in Stand By Me, Elliot in ET............. you need to watch films that aren't horror films about evil children. Terrible video.
I liked the song at the beginning love the channel and the content you release
"Wendy, giiiiive me the bat!" "RED RUM!" The Shining with Bunnies is the best version.
I first read the book in 1983. Sometimes, it was so scary that I was afraid to turn the page! The book and the movie are both awesome, as King and Kubrick are both awesome.
I'm not sure about "Jack is a man about 30." Nicholson himself was early 40s at the time.
30 years play high school teenagers.
yes but we play characters that are different ages to our own all the time. The character is written as early 30's, the actors age is irrelevant.
Nah, bro... that's blood pouring from that elevator. Other than that, interesting analysis! I like your particular take on the Jack/Danny symbiosis!
Dang bro. I’ve seen a couple of your videos and you are really good at this. Of course, interpretation is everybody’s own opinion. But I’ll give you this, you are exceptionally consistent with all the points you bring up and I’m a believer.
I just found your channel a couple days ago and I absolutely love it! I saw comments disagreeing with you because "Kubrick/King said so" lol. I think those people completely missed the point. Your theories are wildly interesting. I can't wait to watch the rest of your videos, man. This is my new favourite channel
"A man around 30" lol. He's in his 40's in the movie.
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This is one of the best analyses I’ve ever heard. Amazing job.
No it's not
Gamer Key of course it is
@@Betmas2 Dis boy got it all wrong
Gamer Key sounds like a man to me
@@Betmas2 Did you just assume their gender?
at 14:27 Jack seems totally normal, concentrated at work and collected , this gives me thevibe that he is actually writing the plot
Very interesting and thought-provoking perspective I hadn't been aware of before!
Good analysis but I think you're treating the film too literally with regards to the 'mechanics' of how the Shining ability works.
I think the Shining represents Danny's childhood trauma and Jack's mental decline represents his bestial nature as an abusive father and husband.
That intro never ended ffs
I found your channel a few days ago. All i can say as a film enthusiast is: this is awesome! Thank you.
The whole family sees the ghosts. The ghosts let Jack out of the locked room Wendy put him in.
Doctor Sleep confirms them as well.
The theory came out before Doctor Sleep, and he explains how the door opened at 8:45