WATCH THIS SHORT VIDEO FIRST BEFORE WATCHING THIS VIDEO: ruclips.net/video/cjOnwT9Y03E/видео.html It looks like I'm wrong about the Red Book actually being Jung's Red Book. HOWEVER, I think pretty much everything else about my theory holds up. Even if that isn't Jung's Red Book, I think Jung's theories nonetheless fit the movie well. Plus, the evidence that Kubrick was influenced by Jung and psychoanalysis seems quite clear.
I still think your theory is correct. The red book could have a double meaning, like most things in the shining. It could be both a totally normal book to act as a guide for the care taker, and yet "the red book".
Actually it's presence could be considered as a double meaning representing both a typical hotel/motel redbook, and Carl Jung's The Red Book. And I get that vibe that this may have been damn well intentional, considering Jack's "initiation" into being the caretaker, and the supernatural themes of the movie.
You guys need to let these horrible shining theories go seriously. They get worse every year. Kubrick is dead nothing can be proven so LET IT THE FUCK GO AND JUST ENJOY THE MOVIE. The 237 documentary was completely and utterly ridiculous. GET A FUCKING LIFE.
You are one of the first people to ever cite "Collative Learing" he's ideas have been plagiarized in the past multiple times and I feel he is an underrated gem. Thanks.
Yeah, I have noticed he has been plagiarized. As somebody who has been plagiarized, I understand the frustration. I do my best to give credit where credit is due at all times.
Eh. I was in to that guy for a while, but he's ultimately a right-wing crank. Undeniably an intelligent dude and he has some good interpretation ideas, but don't go too far down that rabbit hole. Yike.
Anyone interested should definitely subscribe to the collective learning channel. I don't always agree with his opinions but they are the most incisive & interesting I have seen on YT for sure.
Joker even mentions Jung in Full Metal Jacket, when the general is giving him a hard time about the peace sign on his helmet. Joker says something like "The duality of man. The Jungian thing."
There is another meaning to that RED BOOK and anyone who has ever managed in the hospitality industry knows what the Red Book is for; and Ulman hints at it as well when he talks about his predecessor and later, all the things, or the history of the Overlook. The Red Book is a communication tool between managers, when a shift ends and another begins, the incoming manager reads 'the story' of the day before. It is a history of that property and the things that happened--usually bad things. IRL it might contain complaints , accidents, problems, etc. IRL it might also contain financial/weather, and census information. When you see the size of it--you are seeing a long history of the Overlook. It would contain all the tragedies/accidents, etc. It is all the memories of the Overlook stored away in the unconscious mind of the entity called the Overlook.
Yup. When I worked at ______________ hotel in hawaii, we had that same red book. It was like a journal for each day to write down important info. Man, when we had a troublesome guest or some kind of incident, one page would be filled big time !! It was cool to look back at previous years of what happened and who was working. Nowadays, alot of hotels are going paperless and they have online MOD journals and trace reports.
I wonder if you could hypothesize that the position of the red book is a bit of foreshadowing, that the book is preparing for someone to write the "incident report" for what's going to happen. Extremely subtle double meaning to be sure.
Kubrick. The artist that just keeps on giving long after his death. This proves the eternal life of real film making. Using visual aid to educate our psyche
@@peteshea155 it is said, right before he died, when he was in the waiting room @WB, while the exec's where watching the full uncut version of EYES WIDE SHUT. Stanley was smoking insessively, pacing back n forth,perspiring.. muttering "I've put too much in the film". Stanley died 666days from 2001.
This is an excellent video! I never noticed the red book laying on the desk when I’ve watched this movie countless times. Elaborating on a detail like this is pretty awesome, and I really appreciate the effort you put into it. It’s gotten me all curious and interested in psychology and Jung and his Red Book.
Max, I every once in a while come across something that changes my life. This essay is one of those moments. It may sound hyperbolic, but you just offered me an answer to something I've been looking for for a long time, and I'm not even talking about The Shining. Incredible, man. Incredible.
Regardless on your opinion on his politics, Jordan Peterson's lectures are a very helpful introduction to Jung. Believe me, diving headfirst into his work is not a walk in the park.
@Alexander Brown Again, it doesn't matter what you think about him. He is a clinical psychologist and well qualified to speak on the man (Jung). Nobody cares about your opinion of him, or your opinion of me.
@Alexander Brown To he fair, Taylor simply stated that, regardless of your opinion of the man, Peterson was a good intro to the works of Jung. Didn't say he was a fan, didn't proclaim Peterson Lord and Saviour of the mind and body. You were unnecessarily aggressive and insulting. No hate from me, you are, of course, entitled to express your opinion, I'm just commenting from an outside view, brother.
The idea of the Overlook being a physical representation of the hypnagogic state is especially interesting when you watch The Shining Forwards and Backwards. The scene at the exact middle of the film is Hallorann receiving Danny’s telepathic communication from the Overlook. Viewed in the Forwards and Backwards edition, this scene visually mirrors itself in a hypnotic, uncanny, dreamlike way. Rob Ager of Collative Learning has suggested that this scene is a dream sequence, as are many of the scenes in the film, and as you discuss, this is the climactic moment of the story in which the characters (Danny and Hallorann) - and by extension the viewer(s) - tap into the collective unconscious of the story. This is also the moment of greatest crisis in the film. Amazing how Kubrick attempted to capture these psychological spaces and sensations, and ultimately did. Thanks for the video!
It still pops up here and there. But The Shining is an outstanding example of the genre made with meticulous detail and hidden elements in plain view I don’t believe has been matched. Most everything will pale in comparison.
This is the most accurate description I’ve seen. Understanding the myth makers philosophy helps you to understand almost everything. There’s a reason movies and stories like this resonate so deeply with human masses.
I think this idea would have been cemented if the original ending was kept: Ulmann visits Danny and Wendy in the hospital, where Wendy tells him about Jack. Ulmann replies that Jack was never found. When Ulmann walks away, he turns to Danny and says to Danny: “I think you left this” and throws him the ball (that rolled towards him from Room 237)
No, the manager does everything consciously which is why he was a good manager. In fact the manager didn't want to hire Jack because of his history. Also the Indian Burial Ground makes sense in terms of Doctor Sleep and the Shining. It's good background research. I believe the reason King didn't like Stanley Kubrick's version is how it treats Jack. Jack is way more balanced in the book and the Hotel simply wore him down. Yes, the cycle of violence is even more explicit in the book. Jack's father was abusive, and Jack had a wrathful temper when he was drunk. One of Jack's best qualities in the book that didn't or couldn't get in Kubrick's version is how Jack was trying to be the better father he never had. It makes his descent even more tragic because he was actually on the right path. Jack had already hit rock bottom and was working to save his marriage until the hotel. King didn't like the movie because it sort of made Jack one dimensional instead which probably was better for the format. Movies have to rely on establish tropes and archetypes because of the time constraints to tell that story.
Stephen King has a very clear vision for his multiverse and how it all fits together like spokes on a wheel. Kubriks vision clashed in practically every way.
I always took Jack being in the picture as him being absorbed into the hotel - he was "always there" and will continue to "always have been there" because he is now a part of the hotel's collective consciousness/unconscious. And I thought that the Grady from the 1920's was a representation of the other Grady, as he is now a part of the hotel's unconscious mind. When Jack breaks the illusion of him being a butler at the bar and reminds me that he "killed his wife with and ax and then you blew your brains out", look at how quickly Grady changes. He just radiates hate and disgust towards Jack. I felt like Grady was the hotel slowly stirring awake, angry at who had disrupted its dreaming mind.
well and that John Wayne Gacy was the most evil of all serial killers in my eyes honestly..that the dead children mean more because they didn't get lives in the first place..I've stayed in Denver have yet to see my favorite true King scenery. BUT I ABSOLUTELY still love Stephen Weber's starring role because in a way it's always referencing Abuse and Alcoholism..selling one's soul to get some "peace". ^.^
It’s interesting that you mention Grady, Sandwich. To me, his shift from being servile to hostile and contemptuous toward Jack is one of the creepiest moments of the film, and is just brilliantly played by Philip Stone. It’s so subtle, yet chilling. Parallel scenes are the ones with Joe Terkel (the bartender) where, again, the ghostly character just seems condescending and contemptuous of Jack-if more polite. Are they really just reflections of Jack’s shadow self?
@@patriciagrandjean8205 There’s a theory out there it’s called the Wendy theory. You should check it out it essentially explains the continuity errors and it does it really well
I think the photo putting him in the past is also showing the nature of abuse as generational trauma that is handed down. And shining being able to see what has happened before and what might happen indicates you can look at Jack and know he has been abused just as he abuses his son and the son may go on to abuse. And you can predict Jack's behavior based on his past abuse.
I guess the Native American theory kinda makes sense, considering that Jack just randomly spouts that "white man's burden" line at the bar for no reason at all.
The 'white man's burden' line is from King's novel. The context is that is he asks Lloyd for twenty martinis lined up, and he calls them martians. Sort of a space Invaders reference. In the film, the end part of the line is there, but wihout the twenty martinis. Kubrick did however, add the line where Jack says 'I'd give my soul for a glass of beer', which causes Lloyd to appear and give him a drink. That then leads to the 'your money's no good here', and Grady etc. And it seems the hotel has taken Jack's soul in the final shot.
@SYSTEM ERROR Thanks for the context! I haven't yet gotten around to reading the book, so that line always puzzled me, because it was just so random and seemed to make no sense. Then again, there are actually a lot of things in The Shining that seem to make no sense...
@Mary Oden actually the book is quite different, so much so that King was pretty unhappy with the film. He especially didn't like the casting of Jack Nicholson who was already seen as a crazy guy, he thought it should be someone more normal that turns mad. The alcoholism aspect is much more prominent in the book, among other differences. That's why there was a TV miniseries later, which is more faithful to the novel version. Kubrick definitely went with some ideas from King, but there's a lot more going on in the visual aspect. He kind of did whatever he wanted with source novels. Collative Learning has very good videos about the 'visual story' being told in Kubrick's film version.
@@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep It wasn't Jack being racist as much as confused as when Grady says it... if anyone was a racist it was Grady, I don't think he meant it as racist... And towards the "White mans burden" that line makes sense in the context of him being a drunk and the stereotype that all white people are drunks or something like that
(Non important spoiler alert). When the adult Danny Torrance interviews for an orderly job in Doctor Sleep, the Red Book is on the table, and the office at the hospice looks and feels just like the office from the Overlook Hotel.
It's stupid to have that in there... King is merely and failing at it to duplicate Kubrick's genius... Kings' still pissed he wasn't in it like he is in all his movies... so vain.. what a waste... better wrote as bachman..
Yeah people who appears in their movies have a big ego. Alfred Hitchcock is another one appearing in his movies same as King big ego. It doesn't surprise me that King didn't like Kubrick's movie hid ego took over but he knew that Kubrick's movie was better than his book and later his crappy movie version of The Shining.
Don't you mean interest in other humans? Even if you don't like the implications, you're still one of us. Where you place yourself on an intelligence/evolutionary scale is a other matter. You may be uncommon in that regard but still just another human being in the end.
I'll have my eye on the comment section for the next little while. If there is something you don't understand, tell me, and I'll do my best to explain. :)
Arvid Paulin As Jordan Peterson says, the zone of proximal development (here applied to ideas) is where you can grasp something partially but not completely
"ancestral experience". THAT sent shivers through me. Never ever thought of this, but it makes absolute sense. Hence some extension of deja vu for alot of us as well. FASCINATING.
Excellent work. One thing that no one seems to notice are Jack's hands in the picture. His hands mirror the as above so below baphomet. This movie is more sinister than anyone realizes it.
The book Dr Sleep was good , the movie sucked . Again Mr King’s adaptation into film fails big time . The Dark Tower was a huge disappointment , why did I choose to watch DrSleep I should have known !
@@davidjohnmiller4849 having read both books and seen both movies for the first time recently I strongly disagree. The shinning movie sucked (when compared to the book maybe it's a masterpiece of its own right, but it shat all over the source material and comparing the two the characters are flat and 2 dimensional as hell in the movie) And Dr. Sleep the movie salvages all of it, sticks to the book and yet accommodates for the changes from book that the first movie established. It's freaking great.
I appreciate that you tried to cite me as the one who brought up the red book. It was 4th of July when I posted it on your Silent hill video about the red squares. Great video by the way, also I enjoyed the Always sunny reference in this one. Alex Cox might make another Repoman movie soon he just got the rights back. By the way, Ullman says that most of the artwork is Navajo and Apache, those two tribes were rivals and the name Navajo means the dark ones. Possibly dark and lights spirits roam the halls of the overlook hotel. Isn't it cool that Jack Nicholson's tie in the movie looks just like the hedge maze that isn't in front of the hotel when the entire Overlook is in view?
HEY! THERE YOU ARE! Sorry dude. I went back through my Twitter messages, but I didn't see you. Maybe my eye just happened to skip over your name. :( By the way, you're not the only one to notice Jack's tie. ;)
Grammar Nazi here. It's 'cite', not "sight". Or maybe you should consider 'credit' or 'acknowledge'. That's the most glaring thing; but it would be cool if you would fix all the capitalization errors in your post (both up and down), too. Thanks in advance.
After reading and watching Collative Learning's take, I find one piece of evidence in the film that is impossible to ignore. Jack Torrance reads _Playgirl_ when sitting in the lobby, an issue with a feature about parents who commit child abuse. This is so specific and out of place that I can't take it to be coincidental. This is not mutually exclusive with your theory, but a theory that claims to tie all the pieces together needs to address that in my opinion.
Also the first scene with Lloyd the bartender. He says he would give his soul for a drink and then Lloyd appears. Then immediately the conversation moves to the abuse, he 'confesses' to the child abuse, but it's a false confession. This is where Kubrick uses double meanings to avoid the darker sexual abuse subtext while covertly drawing its outline. He is dishonest to Lloyd, who is a Mephistopheles type character. A taker of souls. This is the moment the hotel claims Jack's soul. All of the stuff of telling him to kill his family is a trick. They actually wanted his soul, because he's an evil child abuser. So the hotel is actually the good guy!
@@system-error I don't know about it being the good guy since their were innocent people killed in the hotel before, even children. It probably just wanted his soul and didn't care if it got his family since it will have his. Plus, there's always next year, with the next family. (Did not mean to come off so dark lol)
@@cristiansaucedo4707 Yeah I said that impulsively, I'm not sure it's good, I think it's kind of neutral possibly. The bartender ghost Lloyd especially seems to be a neutral or passive entity, I think Kubrick based it on Mephistopheles, an agent of the devil but not the devil himself, who appears when a man wants to sell his soul to the devil. This explains his addition of the 'give my soul for a drink' line which is not in the book. The big difference with Kubrick's version of the story is that Jack seems to be already harboring evil/malice to his family before he even gets to the hotel. I think this ties into Collative Learning's research about the child abuse subtext Kubrick added visually. Jack is already bad and the hotel is a kind of catalyst. From Wiki: 'Although Mephistopheles appears to Faustus as a demon - a worker for Lucifer - critics claim that he does not search for men to corrupt, but comes to serve and ultimately collect the souls of those who are already damned'
@@system-error I find this so fascinating, I share the same theory. I believe when he asked to sell his soul for the drink, the hotel promptly addressed him. I always saw the bartender as the devil, or a sort of demonic kiosk. Once he has the drink, this is like a contact he has signed, since he felt his soul was worth this item. Afterwards he interacts with another entity, the butler. Notice the play of framing and light - the bartender has two cuts: once with two pillar lights on either side of him, and another with a solitary pillar light directly behind him. The butler though... When they interact in the bathroom its TWO pillar lights on either side, but with a MIRROR behind him. I think - that Jack shares the same sort of problem Danny has. One way of looking at this is jack is clearly hallucinating and talking to him self in the mirror the way Danny does; he is blacked out and receiving instructions from this imaginary butler who is convincing him of things to reinforce his bloodthirst/mental illness. The other is that now he is in hands of a lesser demon summoned by lloyd the bartender and has the duty of convincing him to kill his family by suggesting to him that he IS the caretaker. This follows suit with the hypnogogic state, he is being seduced/hypnotized by the demon. In both cases it could be true that the murders in 1920 never happened and that either - A. Jack convinced him self through auto-hypnosis/hypnogogic hallucination, and self suggestion through from passing content (absorbing the story of the family killed in the 70s) that seemed to trigger his unconscious desire to kill his family B. The Butler/demon convinced him of this lie (why would demons tell the truth especially to someone like Jack who cannot control his anger and can be easily manipulated ) so as to use him as a vessel for a blood sacrifice, thus trapping his soul in exchange for a fresh body for this demonic entity. The picture of him at the end is him becoming absorbed into the hotel, actually becoming the caretaker, his soul trapped in a Mandela-effect rewriting of the history.
@@Cellaardoor yes and I think an even more accurate way of considering Lloyd is that it's not so much 'Kubrick made him like Mephistopheles' but rather 'Kubrick made Jack fantasize him as Mephistopheles'. Jack is a writer after all, I think Kubrick was drawing a parallel between the Shine and the creative imagination. Writers have characters talking in their heads all day, Danny has Tony his imaginary friend, and perhaps Jack's own Shine is manifesting in strange ways at the hotel, without him understanding what is happening to him. Is Danny seeing things from Jack's head? Danny covers his eyes to make the ghosts disappear - but Jack covers his eyes when he utters the soul line, and the ghost Lloyd appears. Did he make a wish? Did he summon Lloyd? And there's more! How does Jack successfully conceal himself and ambush Halloran, when Halloran had the Shine? Wendy interrupts his fantasy of Lloyd and she doesn't see Lloyd and there's no drink, Jack is just sitting there in the hypnagogic state as you say. Then later when Jack goes back to the Gold Room, his fantasy has come alive, but what happens - a drink is spilled onto him 'by accident', which then leads to the red bathroom scene. And Grady, but it's not Charles Grady the 70s American caretaker, it's Delbert Grady the 20s British butler. Jack talking to Delbert Grady is like Danny talking to Tony! It's all him, and his Shine is out of control. When he's in the locker, he bargains with Grady to unlock the door, but really he's bargaining with his own Shine, and his own Shine unlocks the door.
I gotta say max, your analytical videos have honestly just changed me for the last few months. I delved into Jung after your video on the red squares from silent hill 2, because honestly, I feel like it had the same effect that the red squares had on James in a metaphorical sense. That’s what making the sub conscious, conscious does as it turns out. But my conversations with my best friends got much deeper philosophically. We contemplated the very nature of ourselves on the individual level, and we understood the philosophical implications of that. After that I began familiarizing myself with the 16 archetypes of the MBTI, which has allowed me to understand my primary cognitive functions, how they effect just why I’m so curious about the things that I’m curious about, and why other individuals I’ve met, or characters I’m familiar with behave in the ways that they do, which has helped me reflect off of people much more than I had in the past, which I had struggled to do for a long time while I was going through an episode of social/existential anxiety. Then in August, right before I started my semester at the university I transferred to, I downloaded Detroit become human from PlayStation plus, since it was one of the free games of that month. And I think I figured out why that was the game that was put up for that month after the first play through, when I made the choices to receive the ending that I received. Because it was quite clear that that had a very strong philosophical/moral message that likely would’ve resonated with other individuals as it did with me, many of which likely would’ve been starting college I would imagine, just like me. So I have a feeling that the fact that stoicism is experiencing a sudden resurgence, as well as the likely deliberate placement of Detroit become human on the PlayStation store will have a profound effect on our state in the future. And I have a strong gut feeling that death stranding is also going to have a large impact on it as well at this point, just by looking on the impact that the current state of the collective unconscious. Not only manifesting in the form of this sudden renaissance of philosophical and analytical thought reemerging, but the current affairs that are in the eye of the general public as well. I won’t say that I can accurately predict the future, but I’ve been paying closer attention to the details that I see and experience in the world around me, and waiting until I will find answers that will prove or disprove the implications that that information may potentially have on the world.
Hopefully no one is arrogant enough to claim to predict the future. We can definitely see a pattern of behaviors and actions that will lead to certain outcomes but we'll never know the specifics beforehand. No amount of study will give you that. How do you figure DBH and DS will have significant impact on everyone's collective unconcious? Large amounts of people will never play them, plus those who don't play video games at all. The renaissance could come from a completely different source than you realize. Despite your amount of knowledge and experience, you can't simply attribute something like this to a couple of video games. The source probably lies deeper than that; something farther reaching than platform-specific video games.
Furthermore, why aren't you putting this out to the general public if you think it's so important? It may seem great to sound off in a specific video's comment section but have you considered exposing your ideas to the general public or are they simply too plebeian to understand any of this? Unless you make some effort on that front, you're just posturing in a very enclosed comment space.
Dude as I been watching this, I loved the silent hill audio creep in and then I noticed the video you have saved called pyramid head who he reallly is, and I love how you brought up the actual game! I love it man that was really cool! The Shining and Silent Hill 1-4) are the best things ever made!!! Thank you for this video!🕯
Brilliant theory! I should also point out that if you listen to the opening score by Berlioz (Symphone Fantastique) that plays as the Torrance family is driving to the hotel, you'll notice that the sounds of Native American chants and screams were added by Kubrick.
The "Dies irae" tune existed long before Berlioz used it in his symphony. The melody is ancient and can be heard in a lot of things. It's even used in the score for "It's A Wonderful Life".
*Loved the Silent Hill music for the background ambience. Also really enjoyed the thoughts that explain in depth The Shining clues hidden in plain sight. It's a really good theory to suggest encapsulating three levels of consciousness of places & people; showing how that theory could solve the lingering mysteries of the film*
Really fantastic, and I did almost spit out my coffee laughing when you said, "Regardless if Kubrick was one of the few people to read the Red Book..." Funny, because there is zero chance that he didn't read and delve deeply into this book. Kubrick's very essence is about exploration and wanting to "know," and so this video makes so much sense.
I too fell out of my chair. I encountered the shining and Jung a little over a year ago around the exact same time, fair to say I've never been the same since. I could never really get to the root of why the shining was my favorite film of all time,even after exploring all the themes presented in room 237, there seemed to be an underlying depth to the film that nobody was tapping into, an unrealized thread. This is eye opening and I will definitely spend the following days contemplating the connection of the shining with Jung as a synchronistic even in my life.
There's a lot of symbolism about buildings -- especially houses -- being representative of the mind in dream analysis, too. Each room represents a different part of the psyche, like the bathroom is emotional, the basement is the subconscious, etc.
Thank you for posting this, I was just thinking how several key scenes take place in bathrooms, and all the shots are framed fairly similarly (mirror is always on the right wall). Danny talking to Tony at the beginning, Jack walking into room 237, Jack talking to Delbert Grady, Wendy and Danny trying to escape Jack's axe. I'm not sure how that fits into the emotional psyche but maybe there's something there.
@@fidneusdiller8123 If you don't care about analysing films that's fine, but I think that seeing a Kubrick film as "just a scary movie" is a bit foolish
Diller sounds really basic, and the comment was downright ignorant, sorry. This movie has layers, if they went over his head its because he doesn't have the proper foundation of previous knowledge required to be able to decypher it.
At 4:23 a page from the Red Book is shown and on the top left there is a design that is similar to the painting at 5:44. This painting is also on the top left. This is definitely a far reaching detail but I noticed it so I decided to share it. It’s also worth noting that the carpet designs in the film have a resemblance to Jung’s artworks from the book. There is a large emphasis on red and yellow together as well as green and purple. I’m not an analyst of any sort tho, just a guy with an internet connection
One of those knives in the kitchen in that scene is snatched up by Wendy in a later scene. After that it is held by Danny during the “REDRUM” scene. She took the knife with her and Danny has it there while she is sleeping... never thought of that until now....wow...! Then the knife cuts Jack’s hand after he tries to open the bathroom door he took the axe to. HEEEERS JOHNNY!!!
A truly remarkable video. I have been analyzing "The Shining" for years now and a dream I had just a few nights ago solidifies the "Great Mother" theory for me. Uncanny, really.
While I both appreciate the symbolism of Kubrick's film and the thoughts of the characters in King's book, I find it interesting that Kubrick decided that Jack is ready to do the deed before even coming to the hotel. Whereas in the book Jack believes that the hotel is his chance to get his life back on track and remove the sins of his past. The movie coaxes Jack into doing something he was already leaning into, but the book slowly takes over his mind and forces him to do things that he resists.
@@mypetgoat100 video poster's "theory" basically describes what's going on in the book though...which is why this is such a crappy interpretation; it adds nothing new or deep to the table
@@mypetgoat100 there are no uncoverings of any hidden meanings/code/symbols/metaphors. This interpretation is basically what the audience immediately understands this movie to be on it's most superficial surface level
Lynch is the most Kubrickian filmmaker. His works at least since original Twin Peaks have lots of Kubrick references. And his work is one of the most complex pieces of art. Though nothing beats Kubrick on that regard. I have studied The Shining and Eyes Wide Shut for years, read and watched everything about those I could find. Lots of theories about his films are partly correct. Those are just parts of the whole. And on most theories out there, you can find ton of more evidence that are actually presented on the video/blog/etc. And even better evidence in some occasions, making it impossible to be wrong interpretation.
Your comment about cycles, repeated patterns, and archetypes throughout existence really struck a chord with me. I've been pondering the exact same thing for a couple months now. Mostly in terms of biology and astronomy. Thinking on these subjects always left me with a certain "strange fear", especially after a certain incident in a friends bathroom involving weed. I digress though. Seeing that most basic human reactions can be summed up with some prevailing archetypes is a strange thought, and in some instances being able to describe cosmic occurrences and the like with basic factors now puts me at a precarious balance of true terror and over the edge ignorance. A sort of at ease midway point. Thanks for the videos and keep them coming :)
Could you make a simular video about Shelley Duvall? From my understanding, she had a very difficult time on set during the filming of The Shining. It seems it was a very traumatic experience for her. I would like to hear your take on what you think happened to her psychologically while being apart of this film. Thank you!
I mean this in all seriousness and in all respect.....I hope that Dr Peterson is formulating a "Red Book" of his own during these troubling times for him and his family. I've read Jung's and it's the best (read: my favorite/most useful to me) of his work.
Max, you released one of the deepest videos in a while. It really helped me to actually know the devil within me (shadow). I struggled to articulate and integrate this aspect to my psyche, but somehow you just poked something very deep enough to understand the cycle and dynamic between the conscious and the unconscious mind. Brilliant work Max! Keep making us fall off our chairs!
It is a known fact that Kubrick was a super genius. He was an artist that could take another artist's work and embellish and contort it to tell a better story. I have wondered why the greatest writer ever, which King could objectively be considered, has had so few theatrical successes. Art is interpretation. I think King disliked Kubrick's changes because he managed to improve upon it. King in his infinite creative genius has wittingly or maybe even unwittingly created his own universe. How many people in this case can say the movie is better than the book? A lot. And just as a side note, King says the themes of his stories come from his dreams. In dreams, the past, present, and future are often concurrent. So maybe this story isn't just about "A" dream, but dreaming in general. That's why time seems so out of whack in the Shining, cuz it's all happening simultaneously. And maybe the Red Book symbolizes a history of bloodshed. And maybe the guy in the dog costume blowing the other guy represents the fact that Cujo sucked balls.
17:07 Interesting theory. I got the impression that Tony was a Spirit Guide* that supported Danny. Tony warns Danny about the nature of the hotel and possesses Danny to help shield his mind from the trauma that would come from his own father trying to kill him. They idea that Tony is a Spirit Guide (a being that often appears as a ghostly Native American) also supports Danny somehow knowing how to obscure his footprints in the maze. * - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_guide
If you think about it thru the lens of jung, its also a subconscious visual metaphor for the psychological giving rise to the supernatural. In his fathers eyes he follows the boys footprints and they just disappear, unaware of the rational cause. Ironic that it is the supernatural guide that allowed a child to escape his personal Minotaur of the maze using logic.
Brilliant! It looks like The Shining (film) backs up you theory of the Overlook as a locus for the Unconscious. I’ve seen the film 18 times and your insights have good consistency. While living in Boulder CO, I made sure I spent my honeymoon (in 1983) at the Stanley Hotel in Estes Park CO, so I could see the inspiration for the interiors of The Shining for myself. (The exterior shots of the Overlook were actually the Timberline Lodge, in the Hood River area of Northern Oregon.)
Quick note: Describing Kali as "negative" is a Western misinterpretation. Her essence is the destruction of ego, and the darkness of meditation. Philosophically speaking, there can be no enlightenment without her.
Kali is our goddess. If we hindus start jeering at christ branding him as the source of negativity, would it serve any good for the communal harmony? These kinds of western imposition is heinous.
@@guhapurnima01 It would be possible for those cultures through history for whom Western Christianity represents oppression to describe Christ as negative.
You know it's right when your gut feeling tells you that those pieces as presented here, fit like a glove. This was really good content for any type of journalism or entertainment or video. Awesome thanks!
This was so interesting and informative to me. 👍 🎥 Really liked finally getting a nagging question in my mind answered about "Charles" Grady and "Delbert" Grady.
It's definitely the "Hotel and Motel Red Book" A directory of all open hotels and motels in the USA. The earliest edition I've seen is 1917. Anyone who has ever been through Jung's individuation is labeled mad. Your brain is released from the restrictions of education and every hypothesis becomes as plausible as those which are widely accepted.
I think this is the perfect theory, it takes in everything to have been analysed so far and gives context where there was none previously. It makes all the prior analysis fall neatly in place with this interpretation, even connecting ideas which haven't been linked before. All executed clearly and concisely, very good job sir.
@@dianathompson7597 I agree. Hense the reaction to the extreme differences in how he viewed the women. It's how society as a whole views women superficially.
I always figured that the ability to Shine was hereditary, as Dick says he and his grandmother both had it, and to me it seemed like Danny, Wendy, and Jack all had the ability to do it but it was stronger in Danny. I figured Jack had the ability to Shine as well and didn’t know it, and maybe that’s what drew him to the hotel. Possibly every OTHER generation has a stronger ability to shine. Like when he’s locked up in the pantry and one of the spirits unlocks the door for him, I figured this was his way of Shining with the Hotel to unlock the door, rather than a metaphysical spirit just unlocking the door, as well as when he had the nightmare about killing Danny and Wendy, and woke up frightened, I figured he was Shining and “seeing things that ain’t happened yet” like Dick said. And of course Wendy’s visions near the end. But I think you’re right Max!
If you've ever worked in a commercial kitchen you might consider that those locks are designed so that even if padlocked from outside they can be opened from within to prevent accidental lock ins.
Brilliant. I love it. It's a fantastic breakdown, even if it is something you've interpreted completely independent of their intention. The beautiful part about art, is that you can glean something this profound from it, and this is quite a genius level concept. I have to watch the film again now. Thank you so much!
It's not often I see an interpretation of The Shining that seems perfectly well reasoned. You've done it! Nice! No way Kubrick would put this book in the film if it didn't inform the film. Well done!
I'm sold. If Kubrick had access to The Red Book, this is the most likely interpretation. Great analysis! I have one question though: Does the hotel draw out Jacks shadow each iteration, or is Jack a re-incarnated amalgamation of shadows?
Yes, i just looked it up Michael Herr wrote a vanity fair article where he discusses how he and Stanley became friends. He invited him... Wait for it... to a private screening of the Shinning before its US release. And he details the two's phonecalls discussing jung, his time in vietnam as a war correspondent, his work on apocalypse now. And end up on death, infinity and the origin of time as you do.
The more I read Jung (and other great thinkers, who think “out of the box”), including his The Red Book, the more I understand about myself and the world I am part of. This is both (sometimes) scary (but certainly not nearly as scary as what humans sometimes do to each other out of spite or hate) as well as a consolation. This is a thing I feel I need to do. This is the second video of yours which gave me a real ‘aha-erlebnis’, and that is precious to me. What you say in the first minute of the video about the mind needing to make logical sense of reality (conscious and unconscious, natural and super natural), and going as far or deep as possible with that, made so much sense to me as someone with ASD: wanting to find the deeper (and deepest) meanings and workings of (my) reality is a constant tool (technique, in a Hedeggerian sense?) which I need as to not go mad or sink into desperation about the seeming banality and senselessness of day-to-day Reality (the “whittled down”, culturally relative version of reality, which encompasses everything, microcosmically and macrocosmically, physically and psychologically), where everything is ordered according to a logic that is often rather limited and utilitarian, guided by politics and ideology. (Sorry for the convoluted sentence. I guess it is a mirror of my mind.) P.S. To me it seems there are parallels between Jung’s collective unconscious and Sheldrake’s morphogenetic field. Just a thought.
You r so right. And I know cause I can understand all you mean and yet my exposure to Jung is limited to the fact that some human being with that name existed in our collective awareness. I don’t know how this relates to what you are explaining, but for the last few days before clicking to your video an idea had just manifested to me without any source I can think of and because of it, I didn’t pursue its meaning till this very moment and now I feel really compelled to try and understand it and see how I can prove it or disprove depending on what I discover after i follow it to some source I don’t exactly know where and when it resides. That uninvited thought was, is, will be that all matter like stones and anything we believe to be unable to be alive, in its atomic core has memory and consciousness and do expirience some kind of life... I will now expand the idea to places...
Max, I literally was thinking about the same theory of the hotel luring in people with dysfunctions to turn them into the archetypes of evil that committed past atrocities in the Overlook creating a collective evil consciousness within the hotel! I am so glad the Red Book was the key I was looking for to connect all of these pieces together! I think WE might have shared ideas via the collective unconscious!
Sure, that's easy to say now with the video here. Do you have any old posts or comments to prove you postulated the same theory before seeing this video?
I’m not trying to say this person is unoriginal. I’m saying that this video felt like I was having my mind read because I was thinking about these things but couldn’t put it into words for a long time! I don’t need to prove that 😂. That was my way of complimenting Max for putting into words what I couldn’t quite find a way to do yet. In fact, I’m actually ecstatic that Max made this video because I haven’t theorized about the film publicly and have been wishing someone to give a theory that didn’t require me to do my own!
@@TheJoey2go Please. If you honestly think any published idea hasn't in some way been postulated by someone far less motivated, confident, and/or influential to have it known in some form, somewhere, on this planet. I just, I wish you well.
Perhaps, the finest, and most well produced theories I've contemplated, yet. Just like Kubrick's work, itself, your production is endlessly intriguing, warranting multiple "re-runs". Thank you VERY much.
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It looks like I'm wrong about the Red Book actually being Jung's Red Book. HOWEVER, I think pretty much everything else about my theory holds up. Even if that isn't Jung's Red Book, I think Jung's theories nonetheless fit the movie well. Plus, the evidence that Kubrick was influenced by Jung and psychoanalysis seems quite clear.
I still think your theory is correct. The red book could have a double meaning, like most things in the shining. It could be both a totally normal book to act as a guide for the care taker, and yet "the red book".
Good for you to provide fair disclosure, but I wouldn't be so fast in completely flushing the connection to Jung's Red Book.
Actually it's presence could be considered as a double meaning representing both a typical hotel/motel redbook, and Carl Jung's The Red Book.
And I get that vibe that this may have been damn well intentional, considering Jack's "initiation" into being the caretaker, and the supernatural themes of the movie.
You guys need to let these horrible shining theories go seriously. They get worse every year. Kubrick is dead nothing can be proven so LET IT THE FUCK GO AND JUST ENJOY THE MOVIE. The 237 documentary was completely and utterly ridiculous. GET A FUCKING LIFE.
@@springwoodslasher79 and yet you find yourself here just HAVING TO offer us YOUR opinion
You are one of the first people to ever cite "Collative Learing" he's ideas have been plagiarized in the past multiple times and I feel he is an underrated gem. Thanks.
Yeah, I have noticed he has been plagiarized. As somebody who has been plagiarized, I understand the frustration. I do my best to give credit where credit is due at all times.
@@maxderrat You didn't go into the incest-sex-abuse that Rob goes into even though you used the "bear costume" clip.
Agree. Thanks for the reference, even if incomplete.
Eh. I was in to that guy for a while, but he's ultimately a right-wing crank. Undeniably an intelligent dude and he has some good interpretation ideas, but don't go too far down that rabbit hole. Yike.
Anyone interested should definitely subscribe to the collective learning channel.
I don't always agree with his opinions but they are the most incisive & interesting I have seen on YT for sure.
Joker even mentions Jung in Full Metal Jacket, when the general is giving him a hard time about the peace sign on his helmet. Joker says something like "The duality of man. The Jungian thing."
MP Thought someone might mention that. 👍
There's a private joke in there. The general actor's wife was a Jungian scholar.
@@duderama6750 Interesting!
Whose side are you on, son? Don't you love your country??? :)
@@ascuzzibabadibupi978 FMJ is maybe my favorite film and I've never heard this theory, I love it. Can't wait to watch it again with this in mind.
There is another meaning to that RED BOOK and anyone who has ever managed in the hospitality industry knows what the Red Book is for; and Ulman hints at it as well when he talks about his predecessor and later, all the things, or the history of the Overlook. The Red Book is a communication tool between managers, when a shift ends and another begins, the incoming manager reads 'the story' of the day before. It is a history of that property and the things that happened--usually bad things. IRL it might contain complaints , accidents, problems, etc. IRL it might also contain financial/weather, and census information. When you see the size of it--you are seeing a long history of the Overlook. It would contain all the tragedies/accidents, etc. It is all the memories of the Overlook stored away in the unconscious mind of the entity called the Overlook.
Bravo! Hotel ppl would know that tidbit & that prop adds another level of realism. Thank you for the education.
Wow. Thank you for the insider info. The mundane industry log and metaphysical key to the psyche in a simple understated prop. I love Kubrick.
Metaphors for objects and symbols of man.
Yup. When I worked at ______________ hotel in hawaii, we had that same red book. It was like a journal for each day to write down important info. Man, when we had a troublesome guest or some kind of incident, one page would be filled big time !!
It was cool to look back at previous years of what happened and who was working.
Nowadays, alot of hotels are going paperless and they have online MOD journals and trace reports.
I wonder if you could hypothesize that the position of the red book is a bit of foreshadowing, that the book is preparing for someone to write the "incident report" for what's going to happen. Extremely subtle double meaning to be sure.
Kubrick. The artist that just keeps on giving long after his death. This proves the eternal life of real film making. Using visual aid to educate our psyche
you sure kubrick is really dead? he turned up where you'd least (or perhaps most) expect.
@@peteshea155 it is said, right before he died, when he was in the waiting room @WB, while the exec's where watching the full uncut version of EYES WIDE SHUT. Stanley was smoking insessively, pacing back n forth,perspiring.. muttering
"I've put too much in the film".
Stanley died 666days from 2001.
@@ADayInTheLifeofMrsPerkins all clues for us. KUBRICK directed the 9/11 movie. all roads lead to Aristarchus, the divided tree of life.
This is an excellent video! I never noticed the red book laying on the desk when I’ve watched this movie countless times. Elaborating on a detail like this is pretty awesome, and I really appreciate the effort you put into it. It’s gotten me all curious and interested in psychology and Jung and his Red Book.
Max, I every once in a while come across something that changes my life. This essay is one of those moments. It may sound hyperbolic, but you just offered me an answer to something I've been looking for for a long time, and I'm not even talking about The Shining. Incredible, man. Incredible.
Regardless on your opinion on his politics, Jordan Peterson's lectures are a very helpful introduction to Jung. Believe me, diving headfirst into his work is not a walk in the park.
Would it have anything to do with the dreams you have and kept with you?
@Alexander Brown hey how bout you shut the fuck up about Peterson brother
@Alexander Brown Again, it doesn't matter what you think about him. He is a clinical psychologist and well qualified to speak on the man (Jung). Nobody cares about your opinion of him, or your opinion of me.
@Alexander Brown To he fair, Taylor simply stated that, regardless of your opinion of the man, Peterson was a good intro to the works of Jung. Didn't say he was a fan, didn't proclaim Peterson Lord and Saviour of the mind and body. You were unnecessarily aggressive and insulting. No hate from me, you are, of course, entitled to express your opinion, I'm just commenting from an outside view, brother.
Clear, concise & vivid. Knowing Kubrick, The Shining probably has 237 different meanings. Great video!
I see what you did, there. 🤣
That gave me goosebumps when I saw 237
Nice
In the book, it was room 217
Hah nice. “237.”
The idea of the Overlook being a physical representation of the hypnagogic state is especially interesting when you watch The Shining Forwards and Backwards. The scene at the exact middle of the film is Hallorann receiving Danny’s telepathic communication from the Overlook. Viewed in the Forwards and Backwards edition, this scene visually mirrors itself in a hypnotic, uncanny, dreamlike way. Rob Ager of Collative Learning has suggested that this scene is a dream sequence, as are many of the scenes in the film, and as you discuss, this is the climactic moment of the story in which the characters (Danny and Hallorann) - and by extension the viewer(s) - tap into the collective unconscious of the story. This is also the moment of greatest crisis in the film. Amazing how Kubrick attempted to capture these psychological spaces and sensations, and ultimately did. Thanks for the video!
I love how this movie still makes you think after all these years. I miss cinema like this.
It still pops up here and there. But The Shining is an outstanding example of the genre made with meticulous detail and hidden elements in plain view I don’t believe has been matched. Most everything will pale in comparison.
Watch shutter Island 2009
This is the most accurate description I’ve seen. Understanding the myth makers philosophy helps you to understand almost everything. There’s a reason movies and stories like this resonate so deeply with human masses.
Leads me to wonder, does the manager know all this when he hires the caretakers, and is there a higher purpose to it...
Like a blood sacrifice? Feeding the hotel? Interesting...
We can take this idea to upper management - ... its been approved.
I think this idea would have been cemented if the original ending was kept:
Ulmann visits Danny and Wendy in the hospital, where Wendy tells him about Jack. Ulmann replies that Jack was never found. When Ulmann walks away, he turns to Danny and says to Danny: “I think you left this” and throws him the ball (that rolled towards him from Room 237)
No, the manager does everything consciously which is why he was a good manager. In fact the manager didn't want to hire Jack because of his history. Also the Indian Burial Ground makes sense in terms of Doctor Sleep and the Shining. It's good background research.
I believe the reason King didn't like Stanley Kubrick's version is how it treats Jack. Jack is way more balanced in the book and the Hotel simply wore him down. Yes, the cycle of violence is even more explicit in the book. Jack's father was abusive, and Jack had a wrathful temper when he was drunk. One of Jack's best qualities in the book that didn't or couldn't get in Kubrick's version is how Jack was trying to be the better father he never had. It makes his descent even more tragic because he was actually on the right path. Jack had already hit rock bottom and was working to save his marriage until the hotel. King didn't like the movie because it sort of made Jack one dimensional instead which probably was better for the format. Movies have to rely on establish tropes and archetypes because of the time constraints to tell that story.
Stephen King has a very clear vision for his multiverse and how it all fits together like spokes on a wheel. Kubriks vision clashed in practically every way.
I always took Jack being in the picture as him being absorbed into the hotel - he was "always there" and will continue to "always have been there" because he is now a part of the hotel's collective consciousness/unconscious. And I thought that the Grady from the 1920's was a representation of the other Grady, as he is now a part of the hotel's unconscious mind. When Jack breaks the illusion of him being a butler at the bar and reminds me that he "killed his wife with and ax and then you blew your brains out", look at how quickly Grady changes. He just radiates hate and disgust towards Jack. I felt like Grady was the hotel slowly stirring awake, angry at who had disrupted its dreaming mind.
well and that John Wayne Gacy was the most evil of all serial killers in my eyes honestly..that the dead children mean more because they didn't get lives in the first place..I've stayed in Denver have yet to see my favorite true King scenery. BUT I ABSOLUTELY still love Stephen Weber's starring role because in a way it's always referencing Abuse and Alcoholism..selling one's soul to get some "peace". ^.^
It’s interesting that you mention Grady, Sandwich. To me, his shift from being servile to hostile and contemptuous toward Jack is one of the creepiest moments of the film, and is just brilliantly played by Philip Stone. It’s so subtle, yet chilling. Parallel scenes are the ones with Joe Terkel (the bartender) where, again, the ghostly character just seems condescending and contemptuous of Jack-if more polite. Are they really just reflections of Jack’s shadow self?
@@patriciagrandjean8205 There’s a theory out there it’s called the Wendy theory. You should check it out it essentially explains the continuity errors and it does it really well
Wrong...
This is whats actually happening...
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I think the photo putting him in the past is also showing the nature of abuse as generational trauma that is handed down. And shining being able to see what has happened before and what might happen indicates you can look at Jack and know he has been abused just as he abuses his son and the son may go on to abuse. And you can predict Jack's behavior based on his past abuse.
I guess the Native American theory kinda makes sense, considering that Jack just randomly spouts that "white man's burden" line at the bar for no reason at all.
Also he says the N word in his conversation with Delbert Grady. I think Jack being a racist is pretty explicit in the text.
The 'white man's burden' line is from King's novel. The context is that is he asks Lloyd for twenty martinis lined up, and he calls them martians. Sort of a space Invaders reference. In the film, the end part of the line is there, but wihout the twenty martinis. Kubrick did however, add the line where Jack says 'I'd give my soul for a glass of beer', which causes Lloyd to appear and give him a drink. That then leads to the 'your money's no good here', and Grady etc. And it seems the hotel has taken Jack's soul in the final shot.
@SYSTEM ERROR Thanks for the context! I haven't yet gotten around to reading the book, so that line always puzzled me, because it was just so random and seemed to make no sense. Then again, there are actually a lot of things in The Shining that seem to make no sense...
@Mary Oden actually the book is quite different, so much so that King was pretty unhappy with the film. He especially didn't like the casting of Jack Nicholson who was already seen as a crazy guy, he thought it should be someone more normal that turns mad. The alcoholism aspect is much more prominent in the book, among other differences. That's why there was a TV miniseries later, which is more faithful to the novel version. Kubrick definitely went with some ideas from King, but there's a lot more going on in the visual aspect. He kind of did whatever he wanted with source novels. Collative Learning has very good videos about the 'visual story' being told in Kubrick's film version.
@@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep It wasn't Jack being racist as much as confused as when Grady says it... if anyone was a racist it was Grady, I don't think he meant it as racist... And towards the "White mans burden" that line makes sense in the context of him being a drunk and the stereotype that all white people are drunks or something like that
A further hint: The hypnagogic state is a realm that is often.....Overlooked. 😳
Listening to TOOL takes me there
My sleep.
Stahp
@@tylercoyle7026 listening to a tool takes me there too bruh!😎
I love when humans dress up like their hypnagogic hallucinations. Shaman.
(Non important spoiler alert). When the adult Danny Torrance interviews for an orderly job in Doctor Sleep, the Red Book is on the table, and the office at the hospice looks and feels just like the office from the Overlook Hotel.
Its 100% the same exact office, but the red book was actually a red binder.
It's stupid to have that in there... King is merely and failing at it to duplicate Kubrick's genius... Kings' still pissed he wasn't in it like he is in all his movies... so vain.. what a waste... better wrote as bachman..
Yeah people who appears in their movies have a big ego. Alfred Hitchcock is another one appearing in his movies same as King big ego. It doesn't surprise me that King didn't like Kubrick's movie hid ego took over but he knew that Kubrick's movie was better than his book and later his crappy movie version of The Shining.
I love these videos because of them they've sparked my long lost interest in human beings and their psychology and philosophy, thank you Max
Don't you mean interest in other humans? Even if you don't like the implications, you're still one of us.
Where you place yourself on an intelligence/evolutionary scale is a other matter. You may be uncommon in that regard but still just another human being in the end.
@@TheJoey2go you're right I didn't even catch myself there it's my arrogance and I wasn't even aware of it thank you
THIS IS DEEP, i know this because i only understand 1/3 of this video.
I'll have my eye on the comment section for the next little while. If there is something you don't understand, tell me, and I'll do my best to explain. :)
Arvid Paulin As Jordan Peterson says, the zone of proximal development (here applied to ideas) is where you can grasp something partially but not completely
As someone who understands all of the video, it's not all that deep.
Diogenes TheDog the idea of "the zone" wasn't a Jungian idea, it was some other guy's concept. I know Peterson is imperfect, I can still quote him lol
@@themadhattress5008 I do as well and yes it is actually.
"ancestral experience". THAT sent shivers through me. Never ever thought of this, but it makes absolute sense. Hence some extension of deja vu for alot of us as well. FASCINATING.
Discovered your channel a few hours ago and already hooked. Thank for mixing SH soundtrack and The Shining, all gets together.
Excellent work. One thing that no one seems to notice are Jack's hands in the picture. His hands mirror the as above so below baphomet. This movie is more sinister than anyone realizes it.
I think it’s supposed to hint at inherent, unknowable, perhaps inescapable evil.
I didn't realize I was watching a 24 minute advertisement for Doctor Sleep!
You can take this video as a 24 minute expression of my excitement for Doctor Sleep. :)
@@maxderrat I wasn't being a jerk btw - like - that is legit what I thought in the last thirty seconds
No I know, dude! I didn't sense any negative element to your original comment at all. :P
The book Dr Sleep was good , the movie sucked . Again Mr King’s adaptation into film fails big time . The Dark Tower was a huge disappointment , why did I choose to watch DrSleep I should have known !
@@davidjohnmiller4849 having read both books and seen both movies for the first time recently I strongly disagree.
The shinning movie sucked (when compared to the book maybe it's a masterpiece of its own right, but it shat all over the source material and comparing the two the characters are flat and 2 dimensional as hell in the movie)
And Dr. Sleep the movie salvages all of it, sticks to the book and yet accommodates for the changes from book that the first movie established. It's freaking great.
I appreciate that you tried to cite me as the one who brought up the red book. It was 4th of July when I posted it on your Silent hill video about the red squares. Great video by the way, also I enjoyed the Always sunny reference in this one. Alex Cox might make another Repoman movie soon he just got the rights back. By the way, Ullman says that most of the artwork is Navajo and Apache, those two tribes were rivals and the name Navajo means the dark ones. Possibly dark and lights spirits roam the halls of the overlook hotel. Isn't it cool that Jack Nicholson's tie in the movie looks just like the hedge maze that isn't in front of the hotel when the entire Overlook is in view?
HEY! THERE YOU ARE! Sorry dude. I went back through my Twitter messages, but I didn't see you. Maybe my eye just happened to skip over your name. :(
By the way, you're not the only one to notice Jack's tie. ;)
It's all good, thanks for the attempt. Another awesome video by the way, I didn't realize a lot of that stuff.
Grammar Nazi here. It's 'cite', not "sight". Or maybe you should consider 'credit' or 'acknowledge'. That's the most glaring thing; but it would be cool if you would fix all the capitalization errors in your post (both up and down), too. Thanks in advance.
@@GothCad hey....shut up
@@natalie8212 You didn't phrase it wrong, you replied to me instead of him.
After reading and watching Collative Learning's take, I find one piece of evidence in the film that is impossible to ignore. Jack Torrance reads _Playgirl_ when sitting in the lobby, an issue with a feature about parents who commit child abuse. This is so specific and out of place that I can't take it to be coincidental.
This is not mutually exclusive with your theory, but a theory that claims to tie all the pieces together needs to address that in my opinion.
Also the first scene with Lloyd the bartender. He says he would give his soul for a drink and then Lloyd appears. Then immediately the conversation moves to the abuse, he 'confesses' to the child abuse, but it's a false confession. This is where Kubrick uses double meanings to avoid the darker sexual abuse subtext while covertly drawing its outline. He is dishonest to Lloyd, who is a Mephistopheles type character. A taker of souls. This is the moment the hotel claims Jack's soul. All of the stuff of telling him to kill his family is a trick. They actually wanted his soul, because he's an evil child abuser. So the hotel is actually the good guy!
@@system-error I don't know about it being the good guy since their were innocent people killed in the hotel before, even children. It probably just wanted his soul and didn't care if it got his family since it will have his. Plus, there's always next year, with the next family. (Did not mean to come off so dark lol)
@@cristiansaucedo4707 Yeah I said that impulsively, I'm not sure it's good, I think it's kind of neutral possibly. The bartender ghost Lloyd especially seems to be a neutral or passive entity, I think Kubrick based it on Mephistopheles, an agent of the devil but not the devil himself, who appears when a man wants to sell his soul to the devil. This explains his addition of the 'give my soul for a drink' line which is not in the book. The big difference with Kubrick's version of the story is that Jack seems to be already harboring evil/malice to his family before he even gets to the hotel. I think this ties into Collative Learning's research about the child abuse subtext Kubrick added visually. Jack is already bad and the hotel is a kind of catalyst. From Wiki: 'Although Mephistopheles appears to Faustus as a demon - a worker for Lucifer - critics claim that he does not search for men to corrupt, but comes to serve and ultimately collect the souls of those who are already damned'
@@system-error I find this so fascinating, I share the same theory.
I believe when he asked to sell his soul for the drink, the hotel promptly addressed him. I always saw the bartender as the devil, or a sort of demonic kiosk.
Once he has the drink, this is like a contact he has signed, since he felt his soul was worth this item. Afterwards he interacts with another entity, the butler.
Notice the play of framing and light - the bartender has two cuts: once with two pillar lights on either side of him, and another with a solitary pillar light directly behind him.
The butler though... When they interact in the bathroom its TWO pillar lights on either side, but with a MIRROR behind him.
I think - that Jack shares the same sort of problem Danny has. One way of looking at this is jack is clearly hallucinating and talking to him self in the mirror the way Danny does; he is blacked out and receiving instructions from this imaginary butler who is convincing him of things to reinforce his bloodthirst/mental illness. The other is that now he is in hands of a lesser demon summoned by lloyd the bartender and has the duty of convincing him to kill his family by suggesting to him that he IS the caretaker. This follows suit with the hypnogogic state, he is being seduced/hypnotized by the demon. In both cases it could be true that the murders in 1920 never happened and that either -
A. Jack convinced him self through auto-hypnosis/hypnogogic hallucination, and self suggestion through from passing content (absorbing the story of the family killed in the 70s) that seemed to trigger his unconscious desire to kill his family
B. The Butler/demon convinced him of this lie (why would demons tell the truth especially to someone like Jack who cannot control his anger and can be easily manipulated ) so as to use him as a vessel for a blood sacrifice, thus trapping his soul in exchange for a fresh body for this demonic entity. The picture of him at the end is him becoming absorbed into the hotel, actually becoming the caretaker, his soul trapped in a Mandela-effect rewriting of the history.
@@Cellaardoor yes and I think an even more accurate way of considering Lloyd is that it's not so much 'Kubrick made him like Mephistopheles' but rather 'Kubrick made Jack fantasize him as Mephistopheles'. Jack is a writer after all, I think Kubrick was drawing a parallel between the Shine and the creative imagination. Writers have characters talking in their heads all day, Danny has Tony his imaginary friend, and perhaps Jack's own Shine is manifesting in strange ways at the hotel, without him understanding what is happening to him. Is Danny seeing things from Jack's head? Danny covers his eyes to make the ghosts disappear - but Jack covers his eyes when he utters the soul line, and the ghost Lloyd appears. Did he make a wish? Did he summon Lloyd?
And there's more! How does Jack successfully conceal himself and ambush Halloran, when Halloran had the Shine? Wendy interrupts his fantasy of Lloyd and she doesn't see Lloyd and there's no drink, Jack is just sitting there in the hypnagogic state as you say. Then later when Jack goes back to the Gold Room, his fantasy has come alive, but what happens - a drink is spilled onto him 'by accident', which then leads to the red bathroom scene. And Grady, but it's not Charles Grady the 70s American caretaker, it's Delbert Grady the 20s British butler. Jack talking to Delbert Grady is like Danny talking to Tony! It's all him, and his Shine is out of control. When he's in the locker, he bargains with Grady to unlock the door, but really he's bargaining with his own Shine, and his own Shine unlocks the door.
Yessss collective learning pioneered the shining theories, I feel like Kubrick would appreciate his depth’s. Amazing video!
The Red River is also a river in Northern Vietnam, moving through Hanoi...
Superb, trenchant analysis that nails how artists work. Absolutely outstanding.
I gotta say max, your analytical videos have honestly just changed me for the last few months. I delved into Jung after your video on the red squares from silent hill 2, because honestly, I feel like it had the same effect that the red squares had on James in a metaphorical sense. That’s what making the sub conscious, conscious does as it turns out.
But my conversations with my best friends got much deeper philosophically. We contemplated the very nature of ourselves on the individual level, and we understood the philosophical implications of that.
After that I began familiarizing myself with the 16 archetypes of the MBTI, which has allowed me to understand my primary cognitive functions, how they effect just why I’m so curious about the things that I’m curious about, and why other individuals I’ve met, or characters I’m familiar with behave in the ways that they do, which has helped me reflect off of people much more than I had in the past, which I had struggled to do for a long time while I was going through an episode of social/existential anxiety.
Then in August, right before I started my semester at the university I transferred to, I downloaded Detroit become human from PlayStation plus, since it was one of the free games of that month. And I think I figured out why that was the game that was put up for that month after the first play through, when I made the choices to receive the ending that I received.
Because it was quite clear that that had a very strong philosophical/moral message that likely would’ve resonated with other individuals as it did with me, many of which likely would’ve been starting college I would imagine, just like me. So I have a feeling that the fact that stoicism is experiencing a sudden resurgence, as well as the likely deliberate placement of Detroit become human on the PlayStation store will have a profound effect on our state in the future. And I have a strong gut feeling that death stranding is also going to have a large impact on it as well at this point, just by looking on the impact that the current state of the collective unconscious. Not only manifesting in the form of this sudden renaissance of philosophical and analytical thought reemerging, but the current affairs that are in the eye of the general public as well. I won’t say that I can accurately predict the future, but I’ve been paying closer attention to the details that I see and experience in the world around me, and waiting until I will find answers that will prove or disprove the implications that that information may potentially have on the world.
Hopefully no one is arrogant enough to claim to predict the future. We can definitely see a pattern of behaviors and actions that will lead to certain outcomes but we'll never know the specifics beforehand. No amount of study will give you that.
How do you figure DBH and DS will have significant impact on everyone's collective unconcious? Large amounts of people will never play them, plus those who don't play video games at all.
The renaissance could come from a completely different source than you realize. Despite your amount of knowledge and experience, you can't simply attribute something like this to a couple of video games. The source probably lies deeper than that; something farther reaching than platform-specific video games.
Furthermore, why aren't you putting this out to the general public if you think it's so important? It may seem great to sound off in a specific video's comment section but have you considered exposing your ideas to the general public or are they simply too plebeian to understand any of this? Unless you make some effort on that front, you're just posturing in a very enclosed comment space.
"All work and no Red Book makes Jack a dull boy"...
Dude as I been watching this, I loved the silent hill audio creep in and then I noticed the video you have saved called pyramid head who he reallly is, and I love how you brought up the actual game! I love it man that was really cool! The Shining and Silent Hill 1-4) are the best things ever made!!! Thank you for this video!🕯
damn, big props for using music from Silent Hill, 15:56 I got chills!
Brilliant theory! I should also point out that if you listen to the opening score by Berlioz (Symphone Fantastique) that plays as the Torrance family is driving to the hotel, you'll notice that the sounds of Native American chants and screams were added by Kubrick.
I need to see this..do you have image links?
Rose Burns It’s the opening scene of The Shining
Honestly I didn't know which symphony. Thank you for your understanding.
The "Dies irae" tune existed long before Berlioz used it in his symphony. The melody is ancient and can be heard in a lot of things. It's even used in the score for "It's A Wonderful Life".
@@devindevon Wow that's really cool! I had no idea!
Aww man this is so good, one of the best (if not the best) Shining interpretations I've heard.
I really like how respectful this video is regarding the cited theory. And the fact that it gives a crash course on it at all!
*Loved the Silent Hill music for the background ambience. Also really enjoyed the thoughts that explain in depth The Shining clues hidden in plain sight. It's a really good theory to suggest encapsulating three levels of consciousness of places & people; showing how that theory could solve the lingering mysteries of the film*
Really fantastic, and I did almost spit out my coffee laughing when you said, "Regardless if Kubrick was one of the few people to read the Red Book..." Funny, because there is zero chance that he didn't read and delve deeply into this book. Kubrick's very essence is about exploration and wanting to "know," and so this video makes so much sense.
I too fell out of my chair. I encountered the shining and Jung a little over a year ago around the exact same time, fair to say I've never been the same since. I could never really get to the root of why the shining was my favorite film of all time,even after exploring all the themes presented in room 237, there seemed to be an underlying depth to the film that nobody was tapping into, an unrealized thread. This is eye opening and I will definitely spend the following days contemplating the connection of the shining with Jung as a synchronistic even in my life.
I've seen this movie like 5 times over the span of 40 years and each time I unravel a new layer, it's amazing. So profound.
I have seen the movie many times and never felt as though Jack hated his son. But very intricate theory, thank you for sharing.
In fact, i think the problem is he "loved" his son a bit TOO much
There's a lot of symbolism about buildings -- especially houses -- being representative of the mind in dream analysis, too. Each room represents a different part of the psyche, like the bathroom is emotional, the basement is the subconscious, etc.
Thank you for posting this, I was just thinking how several key scenes take place in bathrooms, and all the shots are framed fairly similarly (mirror is always on the right wall). Danny talking to Tony at the beginning, Jack walking into room 237, Jack talking to Delbert Grady, Wendy and Danny trying to escape Jack's axe. I'm not sure how that fits into the emotional psyche but maybe there's something there.
"How'd you like some ice cream Doc?"
'you have been invited.'
"The Shining" move is more complex than I ever imagined.
@@fidneusdiller8123 If you don't care about analysing films that's fine, but I think that seeing a Kubrick film as "just a scary movie" is a bit foolish
Diller sounds really basic, and the comment was downright ignorant, sorry. This movie has layers, if they went over his head its because he doesn't have the proper foundation of previous knowledge required to be able to decypher it.
@@Soldier_Sean The movie was on tv where I am here in Canada twice this past week. No matter how many times the movie is on I always have to watch it.
In my opinion, it’s deeper and more meaningful than Eyes Wide Shut
@@nancyhey1012 I still don't understand EYES WIDE SHUT. Have watched it a few times, but have no clue what is going on. But a good interesting movie
Most thorough and probably the most plausible/accurate interpretation to date, imho.
At 4:23 a page from the Red Book is shown and on the top left there is a design that is similar to the painting at 5:44. This painting is also on the top left. This is definitely a far reaching detail but I noticed it so I decided to share it. It’s also worth noting that the carpet designs in the film have a resemblance to Jung’s artworks from the book. There is a large emphasis on red and yellow together as well as green and purple. I’m not an analyst of any sort tho, just a guy with an internet connection
I always felt that the overlook hotel and Hill House were similar because they both feel alive and personified
Pause at 11:54. It weird that knives would be placed so high on a column like that in a kitchen... but more likely a visual reference.
One of those knives in the kitchen in that scene is snatched up by Wendy in a later scene. After that it is held by Danny during the “REDRUM” scene. She took the knife with her and Danny has it there while she is sleeping...
never thought of that until now....wow...!
Then the knife cuts Jack’s hand after he tries to open the bathroom door he took the axe to.
HEEEERS JOHNNY!!!
"He" is the conscious mind. "She" is the subconscious mind.
-Neville Goddard
Wow Max I love the Shining. I've seen all kinds videos about the movie but this comes from a different angle.
Thank you I love it.
A truly remarkable video. I have been analyzing "The Shining" for years now and a dream I had just a few nights ago solidifies the "Great Mother" theory for me. Uncanny, really.
While I both appreciate the symbolism of Kubrick's film and the thoughts of the characters in King's book, I find it interesting that Kubrick decided that Jack is ready to do the deed before even coming to the hotel. Whereas in the book Jack believes that the hotel is his chance to get his life back on track and remove the sins of his past. The movie coaxes Jack into doing something he was already leaning into, but the book slowly takes over his mind and forces him to do things that he resists.
Kubrick: Psychological explaining Supernatural
Lynch: Mundane explaining Macabre
Other way around in the Kubrick part...
The Shining - How a Stephen King Book Could Explain Everything in The Shining.
Except even Stephen King didn't recognize his book in the movie
Agree with Joe. The film is roughly inspired by the book, it is not the same story at all.
@@mypetgoat100 video poster's "theory" basically describes what's going on in the book though...which is why this is such a crappy interpretation; it adds nothing new or deep to the table
@@mypetgoat100 there are no uncoverings of any hidden meanings/code/symbols/metaphors. This interpretation is basically what the audience immediately understands this movie to be on it's most superficial surface level
@@Imperial_Cosmonaut THANK YOU. This is such a basic interpretation, packaged as "deep".
The 4k edition of this movie will have us exploring and discovering for decades again. :)
Without Kubrick? I'm not so sure.
David Lynch, anyone? What you said about hypnagogia sounds a little like Lynch's description of his creative process.
Of course that zoom in to the guy in the dog costume and other guy sitting there. Yeah, seems David Lynch liked that part huh? :D
Interesting enough, Kubrick was inspired by Eraserhead while making The Shinning.
Matt H you ripped this comment section to shreds 🖖🏻
Lynch is the most Kubrickian filmmaker. His works at least since original Twin Peaks have lots of Kubrick references. And his work is one of the most complex pieces of art. Though nothing beats Kubrick on that regard. I have studied The Shining and Eyes Wide Shut for years, read and watched everything about those I could find. Lots of theories about his films are partly correct. Those are just parts of the whole. And on most theories out there, you can find ton of more evidence that are actually presented on the video/blog/etc. And even better evidence in some occasions, making it impossible to be wrong interpretation.
Silent Hill soundtrack in the back! Well done!
Edit: Got further in the vid. You've gone full Silent Hill!
Well done.
Your comment about cycles, repeated patterns, and archetypes throughout existence really struck a chord with me. I've been pondering the exact same thing for a couple months now. Mostly in terms of biology and astronomy. Thinking on these subjects always left me with a certain "strange fear", especially after a certain incident in a friends bathroom involving weed. I digress though. Seeing that most basic human reactions can be summed up with some prevailing archetypes is a strange thought, and in some instances being able to describe cosmic occurrences and the like with basic factors now puts me at a precarious balance of true terror and over the edge ignorance. A sort of at ease midway point. Thanks for the videos and keep them coming :)
Could you make a simular video about Shelley Duvall? From my understanding, she had a very difficult time on set during the filming of The Shining. It seems it was a very traumatic experience for her. I would like to hear your take on what you think happened to her psychologically while being apart of this film. Thank you!
I'm putting _Maps of Meaning_ on someone's desk in my psych horror masterpiece.
I mean this in all seriousness and in all respect.....I hope that Dr Peterson is formulating a "Red Book" of his own during these troubling times for him and his family. I've read Jung's and it's the best (read: my favorite/most useful to me) of his work.
Uh the red book is fucking non sense
Max, you released one of the deepest videos in a while. It really helped me to actually know the devil within me (shadow). I struggled to articulate and integrate this aspect to my psyche, but somehow you just poked something very deep enough to understand the cycle and dynamic between the conscious and the unconscious mind. Brilliant work Max! Keep making us fall off our chairs!
Embrace the shadow
It is a known fact that Kubrick was a super genius. He was an artist that could take another artist's work and embellish and contort it to tell a better story. I have wondered why the greatest writer ever, which King could objectively be considered, has had so few theatrical successes. Art is interpretation. I think King disliked Kubrick's changes because he managed to improve upon it. King in his infinite creative genius has wittingly or maybe even unwittingly created his own universe. How many people in this case can say the movie is better than the book? A lot.
And just as a side note, King says the themes of his stories come from his dreams. In dreams, the past, present, and future are often concurrent.
So maybe this story isn't just about "A" dream, but dreaming in general. That's why time seems so out of whack in the Shining, cuz it's all happening simultaneously.
And maybe the Red Book symbolizes a history of bloodshed.
And maybe the guy in the dog costume blowing the other guy represents the fact that Cujo sucked balls.
"Chopper, sik balls!"
Out of all the theories I've seen, this is the best one.
Spot on.
I interpreted Jack being in the photo as being incorporated into the Overlook Hotel. Pretty simple
The message in his hand is a mystery.
@@dianathompson7597 Looks like a band-aid. Seems like he's showing it for a reason though. It also looks like he's wearing a pinkie ring... No?
@@gorn9161 it's a note, his thumb is pinching it in his hand and the guy behind him wants it. He is reaching.
@James Konzek - I think Grady told him that as a way to manipulate him into doing the hotel's bidding.
Time is a circle ⭕️ esp for the unconscious , like a moebius strip. It was a self fulfilling subliminal prophecy
YES! I am OBSESSED with the Shining! Thank you for this!
omg so this is why ghosts keep getting trapped in AHS
17:07 Interesting theory. I got the impression that Tony was a Spirit Guide* that supported Danny. Tony warns Danny about the nature of the hotel and possesses Danny to help shield his mind from the trauma that would come from his own father trying to kill him. They idea that Tony is a Spirit Guide (a being that often appears as a ghostly Native American) also supports Danny somehow knowing how to obscure his footprints in the maze.
* - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_guide
You pretty much took the words right out of my mouth.
If you think about it thru the lens of jung, its also a subconscious visual metaphor for the psychological giving rise to the supernatural. In his fathers eyes he follows the boys footprints and they just disappear, unaware of the rational cause. Ironic that it is the supernatural guide that allowed a child to escape his personal Minotaur of the maze using logic.
In the book Tony is Danny from the future.
I have thought about that as a possibility.
Technically in the book he's the powerful psychic entity he becomes.
I'm glad you didn't take down this video. It had some great points and was very interesting.
Brilliant! It looks like The Shining (film) backs up you theory of the Overlook as a locus for the Unconscious. I’ve seen the film 18 times and your insights have good consistency. While living in Boulder CO, I made sure I spent my honeymoon (in 1983) at the Stanley Hotel in Estes Park CO, so I could see the inspiration for the interiors of The Shining for myself. (The exterior shots of the Overlook were actually the Timberline Lodge, in the Hood River area of Northern Oregon.)
Yep, sounds like you finally solved the mystery of The Shining. great job!
Quick note: Describing Kali as "negative" is a Western misinterpretation. Her essence is the destruction of ego, and the darkness of meditation. Philosophically speaking, there can be no enlightenment without her.
My interpretation of Kali was that she represents the destruction of the collective, including Shiva and that ego is futile, and ultimately useless.
Kali is our goddess. If we hindus start jeering at christ branding him as the source of negativity, would it serve any good for the communal harmony? These kinds of western imposition is heinous.
THANK YOU. Kali is a necessary part of the cycle.
@@guhapurnima01 completely agree with you and the original comment 💜💜
@@guhapurnima01 It would be possible for those cultures through history for whom Western Christianity represents oppression to describe Christ as negative.
You know it's right when your gut feeling tells you that those pieces as presented here, fit like a glove. This was really good content for any type of journalism or entertainment or video. Awesome thanks!
This was so interesting and informative to me. 👍 🎥 Really liked finally getting a nagging question in my mind answered about "Charles" Grady and "Delbert" Grady.
It's definitely the "Hotel and Motel Red Book" A directory of all open hotels and motels in the USA. The earliest edition I've seen is 1917. Anyone who has ever been through Jung's individuation is labeled mad. Your brain is released from the restrictions of education and every hypothesis becomes as plausible as those which are widely accepted.
In the interview scene, you can actually see "Hotel & Motel" on the bookbinding.
This commentary started giving me flashbacks to The OA season 2.
I think this is the perfect theory, it takes in everything to have been analysed so far and gives context where there was none previously. It makes all the prior analysis fall neatly in place with this interpretation, even connecting ideas which haven't been linked before. All executed clearly and concisely, very good job sir.
I don't think I'm intelligent enough to enjoy this video, but I still appreciate the work and effort that went into it.
Ditto
I'm here to appreciate the fact that you used music from Silent Hill, those soundtracks hit different. And of course, an amazing video!
I have literally made many of those connections myself. Thanks for the validation.
Just goes to show Kubrick films still hold up even today with everytthing comic booky I wish there was another Kubrick out there.
Robert Eggers and Ari Aster are doing interesting things. Paul Thomas Anderson is still alive
The whole entertainment industry is completely bankrupt today. What they put out now is totally devoid of worth.
@@tonywords6713 good call, PTA is absolutely fantastic. Him and the Coens are some of the few putting out worthwhile films today
@@1pcfred Revenant is pure Alchemy/Yung topics film.
I’m sure there’s plenty of Kubricks out here n they’re poor n can’t afford to be creative
"The great mother archetype traits being either positive or negative". Immediately thinks of lady in the bathtub 😂
The planet gods did have there good and then there terrifying aspects to them as our solar system changed to what we have today.
@@dianathompson7597 I agree. Hense the reaction to the extreme differences in how he viewed the women. It's how society as a whole views women superficially.
I always figured that the ability to Shine was hereditary, as Dick says he and his grandmother both had it, and to me it seemed like Danny, Wendy, and Jack all had the ability to do it but it was stronger in Danny.
I figured Jack had the ability to Shine as well and didn’t know it, and maybe that’s what drew him to the hotel. Possibly every OTHER generation has a stronger ability to shine.
Like when he’s locked up in the pantry and one of the spirits unlocks the door for him, I figured this was his way of Shining with the Hotel to unlock the door, rather than a metaphysical spirit just unlocking the door, as well as when he had the nightmare about killing Danny and Wendy, and woke up frightened, I figured he was Shining and “seeing things that ain’t happened yet” like Dick said.
And of course Wendy’s visions near the end.
But I think you’re right Max!
If you've ever worked in a commercial kitchen you might consider that those locks are designed so that even if padlocked from outside they can be opened from within to prevent accidental lock ins.
Duderama 67 Well yes but in the movie he has no way to get out until the spirit unlocked it for him
But the shining doesn't repeat the violence... the boy escapes.
Great video. Thankyou!
Brilliant. I love it. It's a fantastic breakdown, even if it is something you've interpreted completely independent of their intention. The beautiful part about art, is that you can glean something this profound from it, and this is quite a genius level concept. I have to watch the film again now. Thank you so much!
It's not often I see an interpretation of The Shining that seems perfectly well reasoned. You've done it! Nice! No way Kubrick would put this book in the film if it didn't inform the film. Well done!
I'm sold.
If Kubrick had access to The Red Book, this is the most likely interpretation. Great analysis!
I have one question though:
Does the hotel draw out Jacks shadow each iteration, or is Jack a re-incarnated amalgamation of shadows?
Oh Kubrick most likely did have the book, it wouldn’t be in the film if not
I remember he rang and spoke to Michael Herr and spent half an hour discussing jung, and Traumnovelle (Dream novel) that he based eyes wide shut upon
Nova Sky holy shit then I think we finally solved the shining
Yes, i just looked it up Michael Herr wrote a vanity fair article where he discusses how he and Stanley became friends. He invited him... Wait for it... to a private screening of the Shinning before its US release. And he details the two's phonecalls discussing jung, his time in vietnam as a war correspondent, his work on apocalypse now. And end up on death, infinity and the origin of time as you do.
This is by far the GREATEST explanation of the Shining I have ever seen!!! GREAT GREAT JOB!!!
The more I read Jung (and other great thinkers, who think “out of the box”), including his The Red Book, the more I understand about myself and the world I am part of. This is both (sometimes) scary (but certainly not nearly as scary as what humans sometimes do to each other out of spite or hate) as well as a consolation. This is a thing I feel I need to do. This is the second video of yours which gave me a real ‘aha-erlebnis’, and that is precious to me. What you say in the first minute of the video about the mind needing to make logical sense of reality (conscious and unconscious, natural and super natural), and going as far or deep as possible with that, made so much sense to me as someone with ASD: wanting to find the deeper (and deepest) meanings and workings of (my) reality is a constant tool (technique, in a Hedeggerian sense?) which I need as to not go mad or sink into desperation about the seeming banality and senselessness of day-to-day Reality (the “whittled down”, culturally relative version of reality, which encompasses everything, microcosmically and macrocosmically, physically and psychologically), where everything is ordered according to a logic that is often rather limited and utilitarian, guided by politics and ideology. (Sorry for the convoluted sentence. I guess it is a mirror of my mind.)
P.S. To me it seems there are parallels between Jung’s collective unconscious and Sheldrake’s morphogenetic field. Just a thought.
Metal Gear Solid? The Shining? You have great taste, Max.
Cameraman: Can you get that book out of the shot please?!
Kubrick: No. The book IS the shot.
Good work. I'm seeing THE SHINING 4K in a cinema two days from now and look for the RED BOOK and ponder your interpretation.
You r so right. And I know cause I can understand all you mean and yet my exposure to Jung is limited to the fact that some human being with that name existed in our collective awareness. I don’t know how this relates to what you are explaining, but for the last few days before clicking to your video an idea had just manifested to me without any source I can think of and because of it, I didn’t pursue its meaning till this very moment and now I feel really compelled to try and understand it and see how I can prove it or disprove depending on what I discover after i follow it to some source I don’t exactly know where and when it resides. That uninvited thought was, is, will be that all matter like stones and anything we believe to be unable to be alive, in its atomic core has memory and consciousness and do expirience some kind of life... I will now expand the idea to places...
Utterly fascinating and complex theory! Well constructed and highly entertaining
In the Gnostic book The Apocrypha of John there is a being called Barbelo who is the mother of creation and comes from the ineffable spirit or God.
13:56 Actually, in the Stephen King universe, the Shinning is kinda hive mind too.
Yes, the dark tower books give much more context
Kubrick made films on the level of three denominational chess
Well said. Spot on! Your theory is amazing!
awesome work you did here !
Fantastic. You’re the man, man 🙃
YOU the man, man. :D
Jung is also credited with helping develop the Alcoholics Anonymous program. AA plays a bigger part in the book.
At best, Jung "inspired" and corresponded with the originators of the program.
Bill W. was a Freemason and designed his 12 step program after Masonic influences.
@jeff jones I could be wrong. Do some digging if you care.
Max, I literally was thinking about the same theory of the hotel luring in people with dysfunctions to turn them into the archetypes of evil that committed past atrocities in the Overlook creating a collective evil consciousness within the hotel! I am so glad the Red Book was the key I was looking for to connect all of these pieces together! I think WE might have shared ideas via the collective unconscious!
Sure, that's easy to say now with the video here. Do you have any old posts or comments to prove you postulated the same theory before seeing this video?
I’m not trying to say this person is unoriginal. I’m saying that this video felt like I was having my mind read because I was thinking about these things but couldn’t put it into words for a long time! I don’t need to prove that 😂. That was my way of complimenting Max for putting into words what I couldn’t quite find a way to do yet. In fact, I’m actually ecstatic that Max made this video because I haven’t theorized about the film publicly and have been wishing someone to give a theory that didn’t require me to do my own!
@@TheJoey2go Please. If you honestly think any published idea hasn't in some way been postulated by someone far less motivated, confident, and/or influential to have it known in some form, somewhere, on this planet. I just, I wish you well.
Perhaps, the finest, and most well produced theories I've contemplated, yet. Just like Kubrick's work, itself, your production is endlessly intriguing, warranting multiple "re-runs". Thank you VERY much.